Yes, and I end up calling the police, you know, trying to let them hear something about me and that's when he pushing me out the door and stuff like I'm on the phone with them and telling them everything like I'm telling him this man, you know, I'm telling him putting his hands on me and that's when this building [ __ ] he started getting aggressive cuz I want my money back. You know, I'm telling them what's going on and that's the moment everything escalated. >> Spoiler details are in the video description and the full results of all charges in the case are laid out at the end of the video. So, yeah, I'd like to talk to you a little bit about what happened at MSI today. Um, but I'm falling apart. I told you I was getting old, right? But before I do that, I do have to read your rights to you, okay? Cuz technically you're in custody meaning that you're not free to leave. >> Mhm. >> And um I'm going to read these to you quick here, okay? Okay, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to consult with a lawyer before questioning and to have a lawyer present with you during questioning. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you at public expense before or during any questioning if you so wish. If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present, you have the right to stop the questioning, remain silent anytime you wish, right to ask for and have a lawyer with you at any time you wish including during the questioning. Do you understand each of these rights? >> Yeah. >> Do you have any questions about any of those rights? You want me to reread anything to you? >> Mhm. >> Realizing that you have these rights, uh, are you now willing to waive them and answer some of my questions and make a statement about what happened today. What How old are you? >> 23. >> 23? Did you go to high school around here or >> I went to Chicago. >> Okay. Did you go to any college at all? >> Mhm. >> Uh high school? >> ASA was my last high school that >> What What's the name of that? >> ASA Academy. >> ASA? >> Mhm. >> What grade level? >> I would say 10 through 12. >> Did you graduate? >> No. >> Okay. So, why don't you tell me what happened today? >> So, basically, I made a complaint to them about the car since the next day I realized, you know, some things was wrong with it to me in my opinion, but they, you know, basically kept trying to make me keep the car, you know, while doing all the complaints and everything. But, fast forward to today, like um I basically just went in and talked to them again and um about like just can I at least get my money back or we can exchange the car and we basically kept trying to, you know, fan it off and just keep telling me to just, you know, keep right telling me right in the car. I even talked to other people at different dealerships. They were saying this one particular man, he was saying like um I would tell I can have um the bank lender that they got me with to like cancel the contract and tell them that I would not be making any payments. So, basically, you know, I can just get out of it because I didn't want the car and it's not I feel like it's not worth my hard earned money and I was asking them, can you at least just you know, give me a a different car or just give me my money back. Find me a check my money cuz he he kept sending me back and forth to the bank. I'm calling them, I'm calling them, I'm steady calling them and then they kept Like I said, they kept sending me back to the dealership. People tell me to talk to them about it and he just you know, like I said, he kept sending me back to them. Like I told them what they I let them I'm on the phone with the ladies on they don't know what she was saying. It's like it's up to the dealership. I I my money to them. She told me I'll have money back from him. And he wouldn't do it. So, like I said, doing it doing the same thing before I did before all the case. You know, that's when he um he started getting loud with me and everything and was saying like, "That's your car? That's your car? Go. Just go." Like I'm like, "I'm trying to let you hear what she's saying." You know, I'm trying to talk to him and he's I don't want to talk to you. Just go. Just go. Push it. I'm like, "Please don't touch me." I'm putting my hands up. If you watch the video, you can see that. I'm telling him like, "Please don't touch me." So, he keep getting aggressive and keep getting loud and I just got in physical pain. I was already It was like already a trigger in a different type of nerve when he was just yelling at me. I'm like, you know, like we got like towards the doorway and he pushing on me still and I just snapped, I guess you could say. I just snapped like cuz he wouldn't you know, he was getting too aggressive with me. He kept putting his hands on me. And then I learned that y'all don't have those type of defense laws and stuff like this. So, I cuz I don't want to make it look like I was running and you know, so that's yeah, you know. >> Is this >> accident. I'm just trying to get advice what to do. Never been in this type of situation. Never you know, got arrested in my life. >> Okay. >> Basically, I was just trying to talk to him and it just escalated. >> Okay. Um cuz we have officers out right now. Do you have any idea where that gun would be? >> Um You finally have people to talk to in the car or um I think it's I don't know. I think I left it in the car. >> Okay. I just don't want I just don't want some kid or somebody to to find it and then we have uh you know, something bad happen to that. Um Would you think it's in the car? >> Yes, sir. I think it's in the car. >> Okay. I'll let you think about it for a little bit. Um I just had some kind of follow-up questions to that. So, do you know what time you got there at MS Auto today? >> I was there from like 9:00 something in the morning. Like 9:00 something in the morning. Up until that happened. >> So, for a good couple hours at least. >> And I was talking I even talked to his coworker. We was talking about it and he came back and then like I said that when you talk like I was trying to talk to him yesterday he kept ignoring me. So, I was like like I'm trying to show you, you know what I'm saying, what the people was saying from the bank and everything. And he just getting angry at me because his mom complaining or complaining. I'm like, "Well, why don't you just give me my money back and get out of y'all hair?" I'm still asking for my money back and then like I don't want this car. We will not be making payments on it. And the bank keep telling me to talk to y'all about getting my money back, you know. >> So, is this just today you started So, when when did you buy the car? Do you know roughly at all? >> 13th 14th around that time. The 13th or the 14th. >> So, you've had it for a good what? 6 7 days or so or something like that? >> Yeah, and my bank complaining all while I had the car. >> What kind of problems have you had with it? >> Like I just don't I didn't want that car because I feel like when I found out how much I'm paying for it even though he's saying it's like he's talking about that's cuz it's a 4-year 4-year lease and it's going to come out to that. I'm paying extra. I didn't know I was paying double. That's why I didn't complain about it. I thought I was paying a regular I thought it was going to be like 4,000 something dollars. I'm like, "Okay." But they told me I'm paying over that, way over that. I'm paying double what they listed was like 12 something. So, I'm like, "You know what? I can get something better than this, you know? I could have Why y'all didn't tell me about a different car that I can invest my money in?" You know, I don't want to pay for this old car. It's 2006. I don't care what name it is. Like they keep telling me what it is. Like I know what name it is. I don't care about that. I'm not a materialistic person. I really don't care what the name is. I want something that's worth my money. And it had over uh it had over 100k miles on it. And it's like the inside is dirty. I could paint about that, too. He laughed in my face. I'm like, and that happened like Friday. So, I'm like, you know, I'm keep trying to be patient with these people and stuff like so I went up there again like today like I said and tried to talk to him again. He she just >> He wasn't having it. >> Yeah, he just kept trying to pin his car on me. >> So, was it what did you buy it outright or it was a lease? >> It was a lease. I put money down on it like the manager told me they said it's sold so they'll have 2K on there. I'm putting one on there. >> How much is it you're supposed to pay a month, you know? >> He said $229.60 a month. >> $229. >> I just feel like this is a car not worth my money. But, I don't care what the name is. I want something better, you know? >> Right. >> I don't feel like it's worth my hard earned money. >> So, you have you been Did you buy uh who Do you know who you the salesperson you you dealt with? >> The same person that I accidentally met. >> What Do you know his name at all or >> Saba S. I don't >> Saba or something? >> Yeah, something like that. >> Okay. And what's um so, you've kind of been dealing with him about your issues about the high cost of lease and some problems you've been having with it. So, you came in today like nine You think >> The same thing just trying to talk to him about it and he just won't He just basically was being rude to me in a way like he won't listen to me like his coworker or whatever. You know, we were talking, but he don't want He was the only one willing to travel and my opinion he was trying to make up excuses to not listen to me like that's your car and you keep paying this little driver for this amount of time. When I talked to other dealers this man at a different dealership he was saying that's cuz he's trying to make you be stuck with it. Basically, he's telling me that's he's trying to make me stuck with that car. So, all the bank I keep calling them and they keep sending me to him, which is why I was up there. They keep sending me to him. >> Who's the what bank do you know? >> The Westlake Bank. >> What What took Westlake? >> Westlake Bank. >> Westlake Bank? Or is that a >> Westlake. >> Westlake Bank. >> Yeah, I don't know where they're located at, but that's where the bank they got me with. >> Mhm. And then really I think banks change names all the time. Um so was anything being accomplished at all while while you were there? I mean, what's cuz you were there for two you know, like like >> Yeah, cuz I said I was going to wait for him to come back. He said he was going to come back. So he come back, he leave again. I'm like, "Okay, well, I'm going to need my money back cuz something you're not trying to you know what I'm saying? Like you're not trying to exchange the car or something." And he like, "You're trying to make me stuck with this car and I'm not happy with it." And your coworker he he was saying to me she's like, "You know, he was saying to him where I was saying to him I'm not comfortable with it or nothing." So he even tried to help the situation, but he ended up leaving it. So it's like Well, this is when he came back a third time, you know, when he was there again. And then that man >> Saba? >> Yeah, this other man he ended up leaving. And so it was just me and him. So I'm talking to the people on the phone. I'm trying to I said I'm trying to let them let them hear let him hear what they were saying too. Like put her on speaker and everything. And then the altercation was going on. Like when it first started I said let her hear everything. He was he was being loud and aggressive and everything. Like let her hear all that. Like you hear this? And she was just sitting on the phone. She didn't hang up or nothing. She was just listening to everything. >> Who's Who's that? >> I don't know the lady name, but she was from Westlake. She was the >> Oh, so the banker was on the phone when when the when the when the altercation occurred? >> Yes, and I ended up calling the police. And I tried to let them hear it so about me. And that's when this he pushing me out the door and stuff. Like I'm on the phone with them and telling them everything. Like I'm telling him he's this man, you know what I'm saying? He's putting his hand on me and all that. This dealership he's saying he's yelling at me and being aggressive cuz I want my money back. You know what I'm saying? What's going on? And that's when everything escalated. And then he trying to get my name. He was saying I gave him my number everything to you know. And they were trying to get to like I said I told him that I told him where I was at. And then I got in the car like I like I said I paid and left and went to my mom's house. Talking to her telling her everything. Trying to you know, get advice of what to do and stuff next. Like I just I never been in this situation. I don't know I I I know what to do. >> Mhm. Um So, when he So, at at some point, uh he must have got frustrated with you being there or >> I guess yeah, I guess he was getting frustrated with me because I'm trying to talk to him and tell him like at least give me my money back. I'm telling you what the man saying. So, I guess he acting like I'm the problem when really, you know what I'm saying? I'm like all I'm doing is talk trying to talk to him. I'm not being disrespectful or nothing. He telling me like he just He just I guess yeah, like I said like you like you said, I guess he got frustrated with me and started putting push trying to push on me and then just yelling at me and stuff. He's getting aggressive. >> So, when as he's pushing um you uh presumably towards the door or trying to get you out of there. >> the door he pushing. I'm like, "Okay, like I'm like, "Okay, I told you don't touch me." Like I I asked you nicely don't touch me. Like I'm saying, "Please, don't touch me." You stated pushing on me. So, by then like I said, the situation is escalated then like cuz like when we got towards the door and stuff. >> What what happened then? >> When we got towards the door and I thought all of that like that's when I used my defense weapon cuz that's what I got it for. And after that, I I left and like I said, I was on the phone with the police and I was trying to talk to them. When I got on the freeway, I ended up getting off the phone telling him I got called my mom and told her everything that was happening. I was panicking crying and all this stuff. She telling me to come here. I was like I don't know what to do. I don't know what to tell her. Like I said, I told her everything was going on and I just went there. >> Right. So, what i- is uh what kind of gun was it? >> It's it's it's a stolen 9 mm >> A semi-automatic or revolver? >> Semi-automatic. >> Okay. Is it Is it your gun or is it registered to you? >> I legally bought it and they told me like I said, they were telling me that that's not even, you know, I learned all this after the fact. I didn't, you know, I just thought, you know, I got it legally. I thought it was going to be, you know, if you ever have to defend yourself, you you know, that that was going to be. I see I didn't have the defense card or nothing, so I don't know. I don't know. >> Um So, where did you Do you know where you purchased it from? >> Cabela's. >> Um >> And somewhere like >> Um >> Cabela's >> Uh Cabela's. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cabela's, [laughter] Cabela's, somewhere like >> I Yeah, I I I should know that. So, he's pushing you out. Uh where's Do you have a holster or anything, or you just keep the gun in your pocket or >> had to say it normally like uh his hands like I like I just feeling like I don't know paranoid or something. I don't know. >> Okay. Um but I mean, do you just keep it in your pocket or your pants or your >> pants. >> Okay. A holster or nothing, or just keep it loose? >> Yeah, that's what you call it, but I don't have a holster, but I was supposed to, you know, like make it make sure I had everything registered and everything. It was just so much stuff going on in my life. I was in one of those experiences, so you know, I'm building everything. Couldn't have it I didn't have a chance to purchase it yet, and get it registered and everything. Like maybe I'm legally like license and stuff. Didn't have a chance to do none of that. It's just so much going on. >> So, what's what's going on in uh going on in your life? You just >> Stress, like >> I see you're working. You're working at L&L Flooring? >> Yeah. I'm planning on each side of the job, like I'm trying to start my own business and stuff, like so I can have multiple of these avenues of income coming in, you know, just more income, so I wouldn't have to, you know, just, you know, have to ask for help or nobody or nothing, you know, just want to be able to be financially stable for real so I can be able to pay my bills with no problems and stuff. So, there's a lot going on with the pressure and all this stress. >> Who do you live with on Do you live by yourself on Cohasset? >> By myself. >> Um So, just go back to like when he was asking you to leave. What What was he saying to you if you remember anything? >> And he was like, "As he comes over there, you need to leave me alone. This is your car. Leave. I'm not doing nothing." Um He was like I don't know. It's like he kept on claiming and claiming and claiming and I'm like, "I'm not talking to you. I don't want to talk to you. Just get out." And I just He started pushing on me and then he wrestled me and I'm like, "I'm trying to tell you I'm trying to show you what the lease is." I'm like, "I don't care. I don't care. Get out. Just get out." And like I said, it's the way it is and it just kept getting worse and worse cuz he just kept getting aggressive and he put his hand on me. I'm like, "I'm asking nicely not to touch me." Like I'm I'm like "I'm just trying to talk to you. I'm trying to show you what the people saying." Like I even want my I just want my money and not to leave, you know what I'm saying? I want my shaking my money check. He's like, "I'm not paying you nothing. I'm not doing that. This is your car." Like he just keeps saying the same thing and I'm like, "All you got to do is just write me my check and I can leave and you're never going to see me again." That's what I was saying and stuff. Like "I just want my money. I don't feel like they calling with my money. Why I got to be stuck with this car now when you Y'all act like y'all don't even want to keep it. Like y'all just trying to pin it on me." >> Right. Um so, he was basically just kind of asking you to leave and pushing on you and felt he was being aggressive with you. >> Yeah, I feel like he's being aggressive. Like if you feel like you had to, why you couldn't just call the police on me? That's why I ended up calling them, you know? Like why is he touching me and getting aggressive with me and like I'm All I'm doing is trying to ask you, you know, talk to you about this situation cuz you steady trying to fend it off and try to ignore it like I'm just trying to get my money back or something like you trying to rip me off of my money that I work hard for the same level. You know, depending on like I said a minimum wage job and all these bills to pay for myself like it took me it took me a long time to have it, you know, and you just want to take my money for a car that's not worth it and that's what made it even like it's keep making me making the situation even worse and play like like like I feel played when I like I said when I talked to the other division man and he was telling me no they you you you you you didn't you didn't you know call the mate and it's just like I said it's just getting frustrating more frustrating because I kept going back and forth talking to both of them, you know, trying to talk to both ends. >> Yeah. Well, nobody nobody likes to get ripped off, right? >> Right, especially when you already struggling. >> Mhm. It's hard enough. But he didn't say anything. I mean basically it was just put him putting his hands on you and just kind of pushing you like trying to get you >> right. Just so you just yeah raising his voice and he pushing on you. >> And um Yeah, at one point I mean do I know this is very stressful and you went through a lot today for you to try to I'm just going to ask you to try to remember like the events that transpired far as you know, getting towards the door and then you grabbing a gun. Do you know like positioning or anything or anybody was? >> Right, so he's like okay, so like >> So here here's here's the exit. Let's say let's say this is the exit door right here to the business. >> Right, so right like I'm right here, you know, and he's right on me and so so I guess he felt that I was reaching for something so that's when he went right there and that's when I like just did it just shot him and then we both ran out of there. I'm panicking and stuff like like what did I just do? You know, thinking to myself what did I just do? Then I just left. I just left the scene and I'm trying to talk to police. I didn't want to you know, I was trying to know what to do. I didn't know what to say cuz I didn't want to get into trouble. I know they are eventually was going to have a tell the story and I know having a story is going to be what is going to be to It's going to lead to me getting the rest of this stuff cuz I Let me get it. Is this >> So, when when when he was shot and this is the door where where Yeah. Were you here or was he back here or was it vice versa? >> He was He was the one at the door and I was right there like I was right there. Like he was at the door and I was right by the window, the window right here. And that's when it happened and then he ran out and he fell. I'm like, "Oh my god." You know, I'm I'm running and I'm running to the car and I left. >> Where was um How many rounds do you think? >> It was one. >> One round. And where Do you have any idea where it hits? >> It blew out his chest. I looked I I went to I went to look at him and then I was like, "Oh my god." You know, I just ran like I don't know what I What did I just do, you know? Cuz I never did none of this before. I never never been in this type of situation and nothing. >> So, you saw some You saw some blood, I think. >> Mhm. >> And where was that blood at? >> It was It's in like in his area, chest area. >> Like in Okay, in his chest area. >> Like >> um You shoot he runs out the building. >> Yeah. >> And you What do you do? Do you leave and get in your car or >> Well, I ran and I looked as I looked as I was saying like, "Oh my god." Cuz he fell and I just I panicked and left. But I just left. >> Did you go Did did Did you catch up with him at some point or did he fall or cuz he was um >> Yeah. And I And I just left. I got left. When I seen him leave, I'm like, you know, I I left. I ain't never been in this situation before. I just panicked and left. >> Right. Um You need a cigarette? >> No, >> all right. >> You should You don't want one? >> No. >> You're good? Okay. Um did you say anything to him when you when you when you saw him at all? >> No, I couldn't. Like I just I just panicked enough cuz like I said, I I ain't want to go to jail but I know I'm I was going to get arrested. That's You know, I had a situation there. >> What happened? >> Like when I when I seen him I just swung at him. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um You didn't try to shoot him again or anything, did you? >> No, cuz I know cuz there's no I shot him one time. I don't need to try to shoot him again. >> Okay. Were you messing with the gun cuz I think there was a bullet uh on the ground by him at all? >> No. >> Did the gun jam at all? >> It like it did this when I was and I tried to get it on the side and put it away instead of just hurry up and leave. Like I said, I was Yeah. I didn't know what to do. >> Um and when you when you shot him I mean it was Do you know where you're aiming or was it just >> No, I just happened. I didn't I didn't know what to >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I didn't try to aim nowhere. I just did it and it just happened. >> So >> It's like it triggered a nerve. I don't want to excuse it but you know bringing up something that happened to me when I was a kid, you know, like it just triggered a you know, like a different nerve. Yeah. >> Well, I think I mean I had it to me I think that's important that >> Yeah, right. You know I'm I don't want to like no answers but he touching on me, you know what I mean? And my next thing is like I don't want to Like I said, I'm not trying to excuse my actions faces. It triggered a nerve, you know? >> [snorts] >> I'm sorry you had to go through that. >> Yeah. >> And I'm glad you cleared it. >> All right. >> Thanks, man. Yeah, my partner was going to grab me grab the water. Um So, you saw him on the ground. Did you guys say anything to each other? Did you say anything to him? >> No, we didn't say nothing to each other at all. That's just no. >> And then you got in your car and and left. Were you Were you parked right by the front doors? >> No, I was like No, I was just in front of the car where the double doors are out there. >> Okay. Um I'm just going to ask you some other questions as well. Any alcohol use today at all? >> No, I don't drink or I don't smoke. >> Okay, don't do weed or anything like that. Um No narcotics, crack. No, okay. Do you take any medications for anything? >> No. >> Okay. >> [snorts] >> She's going to grab them. She go ahead and take a drink of water. Just going to take a deep breath and I mean, I don't want to I I think it's important for me to get your mindset as to what you were thinking in the mind you were thinking that. Um And you were saying you kind of had a traumatic Um >> Yeah, it's almost still, you know, dealing with everything. It just That's something you can't go away. I still have my days, you know, when I think about it. And I don't like I said, I'm not trying to excuse my You know, actually I don't want to I don't want to get into that, but >> Okay, maybe we don't have to. >> You know, today like I feel No, I feel now I feel stupid. Like I just wish you know, I wish I never you know, at this point I wish I never went to that place at all because I don't know. It just seem like a lot of these guys are just ripping people off or something these days. Like I don't know. I just at this point I regret it all. I regret I ever went there. Yes. >> Um do you think the gun is still in the car? >> Um I really don't I don't know. That's what I'm saying. I I think I just was paying attention to what was going on up there to my mom. You know, trying to explain to them what was going on and stuff. Um I don't I don't know. >> Cuz I know your mom let let the officers look in the house and stuff. >> looked in there. Um >> You think it's in the house and they just didn't find it? >> I don't know. At this I don't know. I I I don't >> You feel it's like it all? >> No. Okay. Okay. >> You You just don't know where it's at or you don't want to tell me? >> I don't >> [laughter] >> Cuz I I've seen it both ways. Not to say you seem very nice to me, um but I I think it's just important that we get that gun recovered. >> All right. >> Um >> Is um is there a way I can talk to you guys in private or something and ask you to Like um I guess you need to check the I don't know. I got I don't >> Yeah, I just don't want to get your mom in I don't want to get anybody else in trouble. >> All right. >> Um You think it's in the house? >> I'm not sure. That's what I'm saying. I'm not too sure. I don't want to make it seem like I'm sure where it's at. >> Yeah, no. If it was in the house, where do you Do you it'd be at? >> Um cuz I was I was you know starting and talking to them so >> And your mom is on Traitor? >> Yes, she was on Traitor. That's what he said. >> Yeah, is she still out there? On Traitor? Okay. And so you went to the house and you think >> to them and telling them what was going on. And you know I had a bag, plastic bag whatever. >> Plastic bag? >> Plastic bag. >> Did you give it to one of them, throw it in the garbage, hide it under a mattress? >> No, I didn't put it in a bag. >> You think you gave it to them? >> No. Um. Do you guys >> Yeah, I like I I don't I mean I just I just want it recovered. I don't want to see anybody else getting any more trouble. >> Right. >> Um, we just need that gun though. Are you with Are you with Mom Howard? Okay. The common areas outside. >> Is Is there a way somebody can ask them? >> Yeah. >> I'm trying to see I I know I didn't give it I didn't give it to her nobody. >> Somebody else there? >> Nobody. >> Was there anybody else there Howard when you were there? Sister? >> Did you check her car? >> Maybe check her car? >> No, not my sister. That's my sister. I'm talking about my mom's car. >> Your mom's car? >> Yeah, cuz that's where when I had went to Mom's she had seen >> It might be in Mom's car. The white white Chevy? >> You said it was in her car? >> And Dave Madison withdrew it. >> know. I don't I don't know. I know. >> Is there not a way they can talk to her? >> Yeah, I mean he can talk to her and just say Do you think you can reestablish contact? Okay. It's a toss the gun. Yeah, we went through the car. Did it Maybe they just missed it and wasn't in the car? >> He said I had Do you think he said I had somebody toss me the gun? That's what they said. >> No, toss the car. That's just a police term for search. We had Yeah, we thought maybe that you tossed the gun. Okay. Yeah, if you would give me the gun I'll give you one second. >> [snorts] >> I I mean it's something to talk about but I don't think it's worth it. >> Yeah, I can put you on speaker, too. >> Is it okay if I put you on my phone? >> Yeah. >> All right, go ahead, man. >> Hello. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you you tossed it to them um and what way did you like toss it? >> I ain't I don't I was I don't I ain't I ain't tossing nowhere. >> And what >> I think she seems to think it's somewhere in the house or a car. >> It's not in that house. >> And then >> You've been tossed it by somebody before. And I can see. >> Cuz like Detective Johnson is saying, at this point it's recovery, right? >> Right. >> And it's not worth anybody getting into any sort of trouble over. >> Mhm. I know. >> The big thing is we just we need that back. >> I know. >> Oh, I think you got to know you're kind of >> Yeah. >> around before we did our thing. The big thing is just getting it back. >> Right. What up? >> So, you're saying you gave me your number? >> Yes, ma'am. >> And I this is >> the top one. >> You think it's in the car? >> This one? Yeah, non-emergency. >> Yes, sir. >> The address is that? >> Yep, and I can share my direct my direct line now. >> Okay. >> Cuz I'll be in the parking lot for a little while still. >> Okay. >> Hey, that's my work cell phone. I got it. And please do. Really just pass it on. Nobody else needs to catch me in sort of trouble. >> Okay. >> to get it back. >> I'll give him a call right now. >> Okay. All right. >> You want to call him now? >> Yeah, and I'm going to be in the parking lot, okay? >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. >> [snorts] >> You good with that, Jen? >> Yeah. Yeah, just give me a call on my cell phone then once you figure out where it's at. >> Okay. I I have you still on speaker phone. >> Yep. You want me to go? Yep. >> Yeah. >> All right, just give me a call. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Bye. >> You're welcome. >> Yeah, I don't I don't I don't want to see anybody else getting in any more trouble, either. I can see pieces of stuff that we need. So, after the incident, did you call 911 while you were still there? Do you need like something? >> No, I I just I just um I just messed up. I'm going to ask a lot of questions here. >> Yep. >> Um I said I was still on the phone with them like when it was going on and stuff like that. Like I said, I'm not going to be anywhere. That's when I called her to try to see what to do. >> And you called your mom's? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You guys have my phone. You get I can show you the proof of everything that was going on. >> Um I Yeah, I do have your phone. Is there a passcode on it? >> Yes, it's a passcode. >> Do >> I have my face ID. >> Oh, you don't have a PIN or anything on it? >> I have a PIN. >> Do you want to give me the PIN or not? >> I 19 2021 No. 192021 It's right. >> 192021 Um so, you called 911 on that phone, then you called your mom just to find out what to do. >> Yeah. >> And then after that, you went to your mom's house? >> Mhm. Yeah. And I I was trying to tell her like, explain to her was going on. >> Right. So, did you park her your car um on the street or in a parking lot or >> I parked it in the street. I was telling them I was trying to explain what was going on. Like, I was panicking. I didn't know what to do. >> Okay. >> But, we still knew out here and everything. >> Yeah. No, I I I understand that. But, that's this is, you know, this is pretty traumatic. So, you leave your car and then do you go to Treat Lane to to sister's place? >> Yeah, we had to talk to her. >> With your mom? >> No, I went to talk to her by myself. Like, we was talking and stuff. I was trying to, you know, cuz I Like I said, I don't know how everything work. I was just panicking and stuff. I was trying to get somebody to talk to. Like, she'd been out here longer than us. So, I went to talk to her. >> Right. So, but did you just talk to her on the phone or did you physically go over to her address? >> to her in person cuz I The phone, I didn't I didn't know what to do. >> Um at her address? >> Yeah, I went to talk to her. >> Okay. Did Did your Did your mom take you over there? >> No, my mom didn't take me. >> No, did you take yourself? Or somebody else took you? Or you don't want to say? >> I just >> You can tell me. >> [snorts] >> Is that Florida is that a company you work for is that a company you started? >> Yeah, we started. >> For them? How long have you worked for them? >> We started in >> For them? Full time? What do you do for them? >> It's warehouse type of work that I really just be in the home. When we go to the furniture and stuff. >> Right. You know drive for a company? >> Yeah. >> Um So you were over there talking to your sister and then you came to the conclusion that's right that's just to turn yourself in. >> So yeah, I talked to them all of them at the Walmart third and and we just saying like it's basically we just came I basically speak like to like and you can just go down there and you know talk to you know come to a police station and talk to somebody. >> Right. >> Tell them what to do you know. >> Mhm. >> I don't want to look like I'm running and all that's why you know I made >> Yeah yeah. And I think that shows too you know try calling you know 911 and you just panicked. >> Yeah. >> Understandable. >> How long have you been up in the Madison area? >> Since 2021. This year. >> How do you like living up here? >> I guess you could say they're cool like I got my first apartment here. You know, it's better, you know. I'm struggling with Chicago living here. >> What part of Chicago are you from? >> The west side. >> Right, pretty tough growing up. But [snorts] you the firearm is in your name at Cabela's. >> Yeah, yeah. Cabela's this like November of 2022. >> This last September? 2022? >> Yeah. In September of 2022. November of 2022. >> Okay. All right. Yeah, just when we do follow up just to It's kind of, you know, just stuff we have to do and I'll just make sure that it's I'm just going to make sure it's in your name and not somebody else's name. It doesn't matter. I mean, I theoretically if I had a gun I could sell it to you. But there's nothing illegal about that. Um do you want to call somebody else or you think your mom will be able to do get that squared away with the gun? >> I don't It's It's really, you know, I really was saying that You know, I mean that's only I'm doing my own little that on the end. >> Yeah. Yeah, and I get it. I understand you don't want to get in wasn't >> But that's the first case I saw you know and yeah they said they searched both cars. >> Well, we didn't search yours yet. >> I don't think we can know you know what you know what we can do like >> Do you think it could be in your car or not? >> Is it possible that it could be in there? You know what you know what I'm trying to tell you is not there. >> Would you give us permission permission to search the car for the gun? >> You know what you know what >> Let me give me 1 second. I'm just going to grab a form quick. Do you need restroom or anything? >> Um I don't I don't feel like I want to be >> Okay. Give me a couple minutes if you do just wrap on the door and Officer Jacobs will be able to help you, okay? >> And then she >> Yeah, we got it. Thank you. >> It was in the car? >> I I don't know where it was. I think somebody threw it set it on the side of the house. >> Oh, it was on the side of the house? >> Yeah. And then they got it. So, thank you. I appreciate that. Do you Are you still good? Do you need anything? You hungry at all? >> I honestly don't know what to do. >> I just >> I know y'all can't tell me anything, but I just I just want to know what's going to happen with me as far as you know you know my arrest and stuff like I just >> Yeah, well, I think you know, I think that's part of part of my job is to try to figure out you know you know, what what trans you know, what what transpired and you know, what led up to the you know, to the incident. Um do you have any injuries or anything on on you at all? >> Yeah, okay. >> You know, did you cut your hands or anything? >> No, I I'm I'm happy that they don't want me. >> Okay. >> Is >> you know if I can answer this everything okay with the guy I I I wanted to change the video. I don't remember that. Just Oh. I just want to know you know where is everything is going to go with this situation. >> Okay. Um Yeah, we're having a conversation with the district attorney and my my boss so it's um I don't know I'm doing a little bit more so what where everything is going to go and transpire. Um Do you have any bruises or anything? >> Mhm. >> What What were you wearing today? >> I had this top on. >> Okay. And >> I just thought everything was going to go smoothly. Talk just like I was talking to his coworker. This dude was just being rude and act like he mad at me like I had something to you know I had something to one that's you know like me and aggravate and all I'm trying to do is communicate with you about the situation. >> Right. >> Like it's just it was a lot of unprofessional people I mean it's weird and it's just weird and weird people out there so it's just um you know >> Could I see your Could I Could you just put your sleeves up here one second so I can see them? Yeah, just like that. I just want to take a picture to see if there's any marks or anything that Cuz I I think from what I saw from the video like I don't think it was like a It's cuffing per se. You can just kind of turn the machine a little bit. >> It's not on the video. It's not showing it. They didn't put >> Yeah, oh yeah. It No, it definitely I I didn't have chance to go through it in depth. I just kind of saw that he's kind of pushing he's pushing on you. You want me to see how I hold him now? >> You see anything there? Could you just stand up for me real quick? Can you just get him up once? Can you just turn around that way for me, please? Okay, good you can sit. >> So, just um just so I I understand, this him kind of A putting his hands on you is a big >> he just got really close to me. That's what really triggered it because I'm already, you know, first I've been complaining for days trying to get him to just help me out with the situation. And by me talking to other people, they're telling me different what they tell what he what he's telling me. And I feel played and ripped off. So, it's really making me even more frustrated and stressed out. And I all I was saying is like basically like can I at least get my check? Like you write me write me off a check for what y'all took off my card. And I can leave this situation alone, but he just didn't act like he get aggravated with me and frustrated me and just started yelling at me and everything. >> What was he What was he yelling at you? Do you remember what he was saying to you? >> Oh, he was saying like like you keep complaining and he acting like I'm not writing you a check. Like get your card. It's your card. Go go just go. I don't want to talk. Like he's saying that over and over. So, I'm like, bro, I'm trying to show you what they're saying and stuff. And and you know, I'm just being calm and trying to stay calm and talk to him. But he's getting aggressive and stuff. Like I'm like I just I just don't understand and I was getting frustrated even more and more just by him just saying what's up. And then he started touching me. So, don't come in my personal space. You touching me and stuff. I'm trying to talk to you, you know? >> Do you Do you remember um when you were still in there, did you call 911? >> Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like and that's >> When you were in inside the business. >> Yes, when they got to that point, that's when I Okay, I'm calling the police station. That's when he was pushing me as I'm on the phone with the police. That's when that You know, I said it because I'm already on the phone with them. He's pushing me. That's when he pushed me out the door and stuff when I'm on the phone with them trying to You know, talk to him and stuff some more and stuff. Like he just I don't know. He just acted like he wasn't trying to hear anything. So, I'm like, why you act like you I'm just think like why is he acting like I'm the one being annoying when all I'm trying to do is >> Let's get rectified. >> Right. Like just leave the Like make the situation be over. You know, you just I don't know. I really This which I never went there. Never even heard about the video. Like don't nobody ever speak on no MS town. I know I don't know why I went there. This which I would never went there. >> So, he was basically just arguing with you and you yelling at >> basically Right. Basically arguing with me like as if he not trying to hear Basically trying to ignore the fact that I am not comfortable with this car and I want my money back. At least give me my $2,000 back. Just write off a check or something. Like leave this really good car that he don't want. So, you had this car back. I don't want it. Just please, can y'all write me up a check and I could just leave it alone. And you know, he just Like I said, just keep trying to finish up trying to make me keep this car and I don't want it. You know, you can't That's my money. Like I don't want this car. It's still the same as y'all left it. Like just take it. >> But he didn't >> And he didn't want to do it. Like I was saying, he telling me like you keep telling us the deal is the bank. But the bank telling me it's y'all cuz I really Like they said, I made transaction with y'all. So, y'all be the one that I would get my money back from. The bank even said Like I said, they the ones who told me that it's It's between me and the dealership. So, like I said, that's why I went back there and I keep trying to talk to him and then they steady want to send me off to the the bank letter and just keep trying to figure out something. And at that point, it's like he just like forget like forget the whole situation and try to talk to him more and just trying to kick me out of there and everything like I just got on the phone to like I said I got on the phone to police and start trying to explain to him what was going on but he's being aggressive pushing on me. Like pushing on me full force and stuff like So, that's what triggered me. I'm like Like that's when I it escalated to that point. >> Right. >> Like he got a really aggressive. I feel like I felt like I got in the defense mode right then and there. Like >> Did Did he Did he Did he have a weapon or anything on him? >> Not on I was trying to see I was No, cuz like I said I just snapped. Like I wasn't paying attention to none of that. I just snapped. >> Okay. But from your recollection, you don't remember seeing him ever having a gun or any other knife or anything along those lines. >> No. >> I mean, did he threaten to beat you up or punch you or anything along those lines? Just his voice and then he pushing on you to get out. >> Yeah. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Um And then when he when the shot went off, he ran out. >> Right. We both We both ran out and that's when I just I seen like I said seen blood and when he you know, he I guess he fell and I seen blood and that's when I ran and I'm like I don't my God like you know what I'm saying like panicking like what did I do and it's like just the the same >> And you you didn't He wasn't talking or anything. Was he saying anything at that point at all or if you if you remember? >> When I think we was on the ground being I don't know what he said. I don't I don't know I'm not even going to cuz I don't remember. >> Yeah, if you don't remember. And you were still on the phone at that point, right? >> Right. I was on the phone I ran to the car I was on the phone I'm still on the my up to my ear. I'm like you know, I'm panicking and stuff. Just get on the road and like I was trying to talk to the officer and tell him that you know, the people that was on the phone I was trying to tell them what was happening and they like I said I just I was able to give them my I remember giving them my name. And I told them what area I lived in and I know I told them where I was at and I told them what was going on. That's what I remember telling them and then next thing I know I was on the phone with my mom and I was explaining to her what was going on. >> Are you right-handed or left-handed? >> I'm right-handed. >> You shoot right-handed and you shoot right-handed? >> Yes. >> Can you articulate anything specifically that like made you feel threatened for your life? >> Like just just that situation like I got I got I got to say I'm going to I was under a lot of you know, a lot of frustration and everything and it just him yelling at me and I felt ripped off and everything and just all those emotions going through my head and it just made me snap. The situation is like you like I said he was being aggressive with me and stuff like like I said it was a lot of emotions going through my head and I just snapped. I didn't I didn't I didn't think it through or nothing and it just happened. >> Um Do you still want to let us go through the car and search the car? >> Yeah, it's it's you can go through the car. There's nothing in there. >> So, when I looked at the video I saw like a blue dark blue black sweatshirt zip sweatshirt. >> That was a that was a black hoodie that I had in my bag. It was in my bag that I was carrying with me. With me. >> Okay, so that's not the hoodie we have now. >> No, that's not the gray that was the hoodie underneath so I had on the two hoodies. It was a black one on top of that gray one. >> Okay, where's the black one now? >> It's in the bag that I had with me every time. It's in the black It's in a brown plastic bag. The police say they >> Did you have that when you were arrested? >> Yes, it was there with me. But I was Yeah, when I got out the car Well, the car was in I got out the car and that bag was in the car still. >> Oh, okay. So, the bag is still in the car. >> Yeah. >> And whose car was that? Do you remember? >> And y'all You said y'all searched my car. >> Yeah, hold on. But you don't You don't think it You don't think that bag is The bag is in the car that you got a ride over to back to Shady Grove? >> Well, we had something >> Did you remember seeing a plastic bag at all with a hoodie in it? Okay. Do you ever remember seeing a bag with a hoodie in it in one of the cars? The black? Is it black black hoodie? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Mom. Black assistant That's mom. That's Ed's. Okay. You don't remember seeing a plastic bag in there at all? >> [snorts] >> Uh you back at the PD? Yeah. Okay. What do you think it was in a car though, right? >> Mhm. In the car. >> In the car. Do you remember what color the car was? Cuz there was a white car right tallying. >> And it was a It's not in there. >> Lavender SUV. >> So not in It's not in there. White car. >> It's not in the white car. >> Okay. >> Mhm. All right. Let me know if you want to try to reach back out. Yeah. Yeah. All right. My mom said somebody needs Pick 'n Save bag. Some kind of plastic bag. >> Pick 'n Save Pick 'n Save. >> Pick 'n Save with a hooded sweatshirt. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Sorry, Ellie. Thank you. Bye. Yeah, I'm not So yeah, we got the gun. We told them nobody Nobody else is going to get you know in trouble for whatever transpired. They understand everybody else is going to pay the key. >> Mhm. >> That happens. >> And cuz I I've never been in a situation like nothing nothing as far as with a gun or nothing. I mean >> Have you ever been arrested before at all or no? >> No. That's the thing. Like I was so upset I didn't know what to do. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And as far as any afterwards, you just talked to your mom and you talked to your sister in person. >> Yeah. Last minute on the news line. It was just on TV calm down. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Were you texting or just calling or >> I was calling and then I you know sent So I told them in person what was going on. I was explaining to them what was going on. I was panicking and stuff to them. And telling them to calm down calm down. They said anything you know while you going to get my sister you can use to tell them to tell me like calm down and stuff to face everything on camera cuz I know I told them like everything on camera is cameras over there. And I was you know just So explaining to them my issue issue you know everything with you know with yourself on camera what was going on. >> But you weren't recording video where you were at all? >> No, I wish I would have since that I know y'all can't hear what's going on. I wish I would have so y'all can probably get a better understanding of where I'm coming from. >> Well, I mean I think you got on the 911 call before the the incident took place. So I mean that is recorded. Um so what She had a blue hat. You still have the blue hat. Same shoes same pants. Just a sweatshirt sunglasses are those in the car or >> Yeah, they're missing from the bag. >> Oh oh >> it was all in the bag. The biggest thing though calm >> And you think your mom or aunt would have that or >> No, I was with them. You can ask them. >> Okay. Yeah, I'm not trying to Yeah, I'm not trying to get get you jammed up or anything. I just want to make sure I have everything. >> So wait so if I ask them maybe they would make them put them in a mix. Like just to make sure like >> Yeah, no. No, we're not Yeah, we're not >> What is going on? >> Yeah, no. There You're Your mom answered very cooperative, okay? And my big thing is I just wanted them to come back. And I you know, according to her they they just panicked and understandably, right? >> Right. That's what I'm saying. I was always in a panic state and And most I don't know that's what I'm saying. I don't know what happened. I don't know about that. I don't know what you said to me. We'll check on >> Yep, we got it. So, yep. Nobody's Yep. Um Yeah, your mom answered. Nobody's in any trouble. Yeah, just the big thing I just wanted them to get that gun back. Okay. Um >> Jakira Anderson was charged with first-degree intentional homicide by use of a dangerous weapon in the March 20th, 2023 shooting death of Kalsu Samba at MSY Auto Sales in Middleton, Wisconsin. On April 18th, 2024, a Dane County jury found her guilty of the charge after a 3-day trial in which she claimed self-defense. She received a mandatory life sentence. In June 2024, the judge ruled she would be eligible to petition for extended supervision after serving 25 years. As of the most recent available information, Anderson remains incarcerated and is serving that life sentence. >> Hey.