I've been very honest with you and you have not been honest with me. Okay? And I'm still telling you I am trying to help you. I could have gone to the grand jury with what I have and probably come back with a murder indictment for you. >> No, I did not murder. >> Well, that's why we need to talk because I'm telling you, either you're going to tell your story or I'm going to tell your story. On January 30th, 2018 in Hartville, Ohio, Philip Snder was questioned at the hospital in connection with the death of Robera Snyder, who had died as a result of homicide. The full case summary is in the video description, followed by criminal conviction and sentencing details at the end of the video. I went down through Columbus, Cincinnati, uh, Kentucky. >> Were you alone? >> No. >> Who was with you? >> My wife. >> Okay. Where was she at >> in Kentucky? She was in the back of the truck. >> Okay. before that >> she was with me through Columbus and then halfway to Cincinnati. >> Okay. And what happened that she got in the back of the truck? >> She passed. She died. She passed away. >> Okay. And that's not the story you told us in the first place, right? >> I think it is. >> Well, what what about when she died in Memphis? remember that story and the EMS people took her and >> she was already gone in Memphis. >> I I know. But I'm just saying, do you remember when you the first story you told us about about the EMS? And and so we went down and we looked all over from in Memphis for her body. We couldn't find her. And then I came back and showed you the video from Sparta where she never did come into the hotel. You had said she went in. You guys had a meal. >> No, I never said that. >> Yeah. And then she stayed up till like midnight. >> Never met. No, never said we had a meal. >> Okay. Well, >> that's okay. I don't want to argue with the I'm just I'm just trying to remind you of of of where we've been >> up to here. Okay. And then what happened? >> So So in Sparta, you put her in the back. >> No, she was already in the back. >> Okay. So what happened after Sparta? I drove I seen the Tennessee River sign. >> Before or after you went to Greece? >> After. >> Okay. So, a couple days later. >> The next the next day. The next morning. >> The next after you left Well, now let me let me recap this for you because it it looks to me like like you left Sparta. That was a comfort in and you got a room at >> for a couple hours >> at the day in on Elvis Presley Boulevard. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And she was still with you there, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Then you left Elvis Presley Boulevard and you went where? >> To there was another motel. I was very tired. >> Okay. Okay. >> It was another motel I stayed at >> another day in >> I'm not I'm not possibly >> in holiday >> possibly. >> Okay. >> And then I got up and it was very dark. It was black. I put her in the Tennessee River. I placed her in the Tennessee River. >> Okay. So, but she was alive when you left your home. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, why do we have photos of you pulling video of you pulling into the Bell store in Worcester on January the 4th shortly, pretty close to noon, and you're the only person in your truck? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> Well, now you have to know cuz you were the only person in your truck. You know, you said you said that she's riding with you first. First first time when you were talking to me, you said she was alive all the way to Memphis. >> No, >> that's what you said the first time. Now, the second time you said that she had passed away um [clears throat] in somewhere between Columbus and Cincinnati, but It could have been before the I don't remember. >> Here's your truck. I don't have the video, but I got pictures. There's your truck in Worcester, Ohio about noon on January 4th. And there's nobody in your truck with you. >> So So I don't know. I don't know. Phil, >> maybe she got out and went to the bathroom. >> No, because No, that was We got you pulling up and driving away. So, here's the situation. One of us is going to tell your story. If I tell your story, it's not going to be it's not going to be as well received as if you tell your story. >> Okay? >> Not only that, but Kenny and Brian and Deborah all deserve to know the truth. >> Okay? And you are not being truthful. I mean, >> she didn't she didn't die. She didn't die at home. >> She died in route. >> Well, you know how far from your home Worcester is? >> No. >> Not very. So, you're telling me that that she got into the truck in the garage and somewhere between your home and Worcester, she died and you threw her in the back of the truck? >> No, I'm not telling you that at all. >> Okay. Well, explain this to me. When you threw her in the rib, what was she wearing? >> She had um blue sweats and blue shirts. >> Okay. >> And I had I put her in plast black plastic bags. >> Okay. >> And I I didn't throw her. I laid her. >> Okay. >> I didn't throw her. I I laid her in. >> Okay. >> I heard I heard the splash. >> Why did you cut off her shirt? >> I didn't cut it off her shirt. >> So, why'd you cut off her shirt? >> I didn't Where was this at? >> No. Why'd you cut up her? >> I didn't. Where's that at? >> In your basement. >> No, that's something that she's done. >> I didn't do that. It >> was in that red bin under that table. Phil, you here's the thing about DNA and about human decomposition. Now, remember, all of the stuff that we have is up at the Bureau of Criminal Investigation Crime Lab in Richfield, Ohio. >> Okay. >> I didn't No, I didn't cut it off a shirt. >> No. >> Well, then who did? >> I didn't. >> Then who did? >> I don't know that anybody did. >> Well, here's the thing about human decomposition. it. The human body decomposes in stages, you know. So, so if if I'm dead a day, there's a difference in my physiology than if I'm dead for 3 days or five or seven or if I'm dead for a month or if if something's been somewhere decomposing for a year. It's all different. And this the scientific um information is is indisputable. So we know that that shirt came off of her dead body. >> I didn't cut I didn't cut her shirt off. >> Then how did her shirt come off? >> I don't know. I didn't do it. >> I don't know. I don't know how that shirt got there. I don't know. Well, here's the sad thing. And like like I said in the beginning, somebody's going to tell your story. Here's here's what I'm my plan is is pretty simple. I'm going to go to the grand jury and I'm going to explain to them that your wife is dead. We found her decomposing tissue in your basement. We have pictures of of your truck in Worcester, Ohio without her in it, although you say she is. But that lie is on top of all these other lies. I'm going explain this. We're going to explain this to the grand jury. And it if if if you here here's the thing that really bothers me the most. If you are innocent, you want the truth to be out there, the whole truth. But we have indisputable evidence that you're not being truthful. So why don't you just explain to me so I don't have to go and tell the grand jury what I think happened so we can know exactly what happened. Kenny deserves to know where his mom is. I've told you before and I'm telling you again. I will drive you there. We will go and get her. Don't let the final chapter of this story be written by law enforcement. Explain why you panicked, what you did, how you did it, where you did it, and let us all move on. You know, Kenny is beside himself. He might not be showing it to you, but he and I have had some serious conversations about this. And he just wants he just wants to know what happened. You know, he's not going to judge you. Not going to judge you. But they're all wondering why is this still going on, Phil? >> I didn't cut the shirt. I didn't cut any shirt off. >> Well, the science says that's not true. I don't know how how old what you found. >> Well, I showed you. >> I know, but >> And you know what? It was the cadabra dog that we took in your house that found it. When we were there, we couldn't find it. But the cadabra dog, its job is to recognize the scent of human decomposition. It went right to it. We got we got that on video also. And and that's very very uh negative information. >> I didn't harm my wife. >> Okay. Well then well then if that's the truth, why aren't we talking about what really happened? If >> I don't want to continue this I I don't want to continue this this and I got a question. >> Sure. Kenny wants to sell the Jeep. >> Well, he's got your power of attorney. He can do that. >> I would [clears throat] need a something to drive if you if you want me to if you want me to be with you to meet you guys. >> When When can I >> I told Kenny you can have your truck back today. >> Okay. >> We're done with your truck. >> Okay. >> What we what we needed from it, we already got from it. And I'm not trying to hold it hostage or anything, you know, just in fact, Kenny said something about today and I said, "Well, I'm kind of busy and I'm coming down here now, but probably tomorrow we can get it back to you." >> Okay. >> You know, and I don't even know when you're going to be out of here. I mean, >> I don't know either. >> Yeah. So, uh, but I'm still trying to Here's going to be the sad ending way the way it looks right now. We're going to we're going to have a meeting with the grand jury. Remember what the grand jury is? >> Yeah. They're they're a group of people that that are in the Star County police court system and and we present all of our facts to them and they make a determination with the assistance of a prosecutor as to what if any charges what what what crime might have been committed, what charges would come forward. And they all they all know like I know Kenny or Phil that that um innocent people want the truth out there, the whole truth. And and to this point, >> why would I put a shirt in a tote and put it in the basement? >> Well, I don't know why you're asking me because you did it. And I I don't have that answer. I wish you would explain it to me. >> I don't know. I don't know an answer. >> Um >> I don't. >> And And you don't know how in the world we could have got a picture of your truck in Worcester on the very first leg of your journey with your wife not in it. >> She could have went to the bathroom. >> Did Does your wife get into and out of the truck pretty easily? >> Yes. Fairly easily. Yes. Okay. Well, do you know that that the not only do they have video inside the Bell store in Worcester, but they have I mean outside they also have the inside and she didn't go to the bathroom. Okay. >> Okay. So, is is is this where you want to leave it that that um that you're just not going to say anything more that there's we're not going to find Roberta? They'll find her in the Tennessee River. They'll find her. >> Well, we've been looking. We've been looking since the 11th and we haven't found her yet. So, the likelihood of finding her is is not good, which given your history of being deceptive, not being truthful with us, is a strong indication that she really didn't go in the Tennessee River. You know what about this trip to Virginia? >> I needed to go for a ride to get away to clear my mind. >> Yeah. >> To try to clear my mind. >> Yeah. >> And I told Kenny where I was and he said, "Get home now. They're going to know where you are." I said, "All I did was come down to clear my mind. Just to go for a ride to clear my mind. and I stayed at the sleep in. It was right in it's right inside Virginia and Bobby and I stayed there once before when we went on a on a trip. I just wanted to clear my mind, go for a ride. I didn't think I was going to go that far. I just wanted to go for a ride. Clear my mind. And I don't know why. I just ended up there. I don't know why, but I did. And then I only spent like two I took a quick nap, took a couple and they give me half the money back cuz I only stayed there just for a short time. They give me half the money back and I drove back home. I was back home in like I don't know, six, six or seven hours. Six hours maybe. I drove back home. I called Kenny and Allen, told them I was home. So don't worry, I'm home. So >> So did that clear your mind? >> Kind of. >> Yeah, >> kind of. >> Well, um I know that you have a great family and I know they love you and I know they would rather think that you made a mistake that something happened. >> No, I didn't. Then then something intentional happened. >> No. >> Well, Phil, even even if that's true, even if you didn't harm her, how why in the world didn't you just call 911 or call the police? Why did you Why >> she wanted to go to Nashville to Gracland one more time? >> Yeah. >> So, I took her there. >> So, so tell me this. Why did you tell your friends at at Burger King in the morning that when this all blows over, you'll tell them the real story? >> I don't remember saying that. >> But you did. >> When this is all done, I don't remember saying that. >> But you did. >> I could have, but I don't remember saying that. Okay. >> If you could have, what do you think you would have meant when you said that? When you find Bobby and this is all over, then they'll know that I did. There was no foul foul play that I did. Well, and and I'm I'm certainly not certain there was foul play. But you know, the way you're leaving it, nobody will know for sure. Nobody will know. you know, when when and I'm I'm sure you know, the media is all about this story. You know, they I've never really I've got I'm a 40-year police veteran. A lot of major cases behind me, and I've really never seen so much media attention both in Memphis and here, and it's actually pretty much everywhere. Um, and when they when they you they're going to show pictures of your truck empty in Worcester and you know how that your family's going to feel. I have listen I have not shared this with anybody to talk to you. I even asked that Kenny not come in here so I would give you a chance to talk to me about this and then we could talk to Kenny together. Do you remember how we talked to Kenny when you first said and and and and I don't know if you remember this, but I remember very clearly when we're talking, you had the same posture as you have right now. >> And I said, "Kenny, you're not." I said, "Phil, you're not being truthful." And you said, "Would you lock me up if I told you I threw her in the river?" You remember saying that to me? >> No. >> But that's exactly what you said to me. And I said, "No, I wouldn't." And we talked a little more and you said >> she's in the Tennessee River. I And you said I threw her in the Tennessee River. In fact, you said I had it was all I could do to get her up over the over the edge and and and I heard her splash. >> Yes. So, it took an awful lot for you to say that. >> Yes. >> Okay. And if you're going to be truthful about that part of it, why not be truthful about the rest? I don't know how you what shirt you're talking about. >> Well, you said it's Hartville shirt. I believe you cut it off because it said Hartville, Ohio. And if anybody found her, that's that missing lady from Hartville, Ohio. That's why you cut the front of the shirt off of her. That's what I believe. That's what I'm going to tell the grand jury. >> I don't remember cutting any shirt off of anybody. >> You want to see the picture again? >> No. No. It's clear it was cut off, you know, and and and think about it from the my perspective. We have a dead person. She's not going to be very cooperative when you try to take that big heartfield logo right off of her chest. So, what do you have to do? You have to cut it up. And it wasn't cut up like a seamstress would cut something. This was cut jagged, difficult cuts. And it human. It has her flesh all over it. That's why I'm trying to tell you. You may you may think that you're being smarter than we are on this whole thing. >> No, I don't think that. >> But but you're not. And all you're really doing is digging this hole very deep for yourself. And I'm here still trying to convince you, don't dig that hole any deeper, man. Don't don't alienate your family like you have the potential to do. Don't make this. Don't Don't ruin the entire rest of your life over this. Let's get it out all out and be done. You'll feel better and they will understand. But there but there is no understanding where this is being left. There's no understanding. It we don't even understand. >> I don't know what to say. >> I know. But what to say is just the truth. Did she die at home and you took her to to you took her to uh to Memphis anyway? I mean, I understand that if that's what you did, but I know she wasn't riding in your truck. We got we got indisputable evidence that she was not in your truck. At least not in the front. Okay. So, if she was in the back, what difference does it make if she was in the back between Columbus and Cincinnati or she was in the back when you left your garage? What difference does it make other than it's true? Have Have Kenny come in here, please. >> Yeah, that's the part that I just, you know, I don't understand. But >> what difference does it make? Why not help him understand Brian? I mean, these people have been here with you forever. They think she died at home. Oh, she >> Yes. I took her to She wanted to go one more time to >> um >> I asked you this last night. >> I know. So, so, okay. Now, tell us about what happened. >> You asked for Kenny to come here and we we don't have a problem with that. We just made a a nice little breakthrough, but I'm still telling you, you got to explain the whole thing. >> She coughed fleg, a large amount of fleg. And she passed away and her her tongue was like swollen, like swollen. And I panicked and I don't know why I took the heart. >> Okay. Okay. But hold on. Hold on a second. When did she pass away? Phil, you went you went you you drove to Memphis on the 4th. Right. When did she pass away? >> No. Probably I guess on the 4th. >> When did you cut her shirt off of her? I don't remember doing that. >> You were just going to tell him you cut it off and then I interrupted. I'm sorry. >> Mom shirt. I don't remember doing that. >> I was I was in shock. >> I don't know, >> Phil. >> I don't know. >> I know this. You didn't cut her shirt off at home. I know that. So, at what point? Well, >> if it if it was because you brought it back. And and Phil, you asked for Kenny to be here. There's blood in that in that tub and we've swapped it. In fact, we took Kenny's DNA and we took her sister's DNA because we don't have any DNA of your wife's. >> I can give you her DNA. >> Well, but I but Kenny, I you haven't been honest with me. I can't I can't just say, "Okay, this Do you remember when I first came to your house? I asked you about luggage and you told me you unpacked hers already and you didn't know why." Remember that? >> Yes. >> Okay. Well, and that wasn't even true cuz you didn't take you passed away. You didn't take luggage with you. But but every step of this way, I've been very honest with you and you have not been honest with me. Okay? And I'm still telling you, I am trying to help you. I could have gone to the grand jury with what I have and probably come back with a murder indictment for you. >> No, I did not murder. >> Well, that's why we need to talk because I'm telling you, either you're going to tell your story or I'm going to tell your story. And if I tell your story, it's it it I have no idea what really happened. I can only tell you from based on my background, training, experience, and what we have in way evidence what probably happened. And probably is a key word because probable cause begins with probably. Probably this happened. Probably this person did it. >> No. >> And and well then well then let's Kenny's right here. He loves you. But he he deserves the truth. >> The whole world the whole world's looking at this. They deserve the truth. You're here because the truth is eating you up. Let's just be done with it today. Tell the truth. >> I did. >> When? >> Right now. >> Okay, start over and tell me the whole truth. >> She coughed up a big chunk of >> on when? >> At home. >> When >> did it happen on Wednesday night or did it happen? Thursday morning? >> Thursday, I think. >> Thursday morning. >> So, let me tell you something. >> I don't But I'm not I don't know for sure. It's been How long ago? >> It's been a while. Anyway. Anyway, that but I don't remember cutting the shirt. >> How did you get her out of the house? >> I car I carried her out of out of the house. >> Over your shoulder? >> Yeah. >> Drag her? >> No. No. >> No. >> Was she wrapped in plastic? >> Yes. So, this two garbage bag story, >> it was at it was at home. It was at I didn't want her to to urinate all over everything. And if there was any cuz I [clears throat and snorts] I heard I heard that >> if a a person dies, they'll start to urinate and I didn't want that to happen. So, I put a bag on around her body. >> [clears throat] >> You didn't use the plastic that you were laying on that same kind of plastic? >> No. >> No. >> So you you expect us to believe that your wife is dead? In other words, she can't help you move her. And you put a garbage bag around her bottom and and carried her out your car >> out to the back of the truck. back up to the truck. >> If she's she was she lost weight and she didn't weigh as much as that. >> Let's leave her out of this. >> So, she died at home. >> Yes. >> She's wearing her blue sweatshirt because she didn't cut it off at the house. At some point on this trip, you bagged several things in the bags and you cut off the shirt and there's blood in the top. So, how does that how did that happen? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> Is it okay why I show Kennedy the shirt? >> Sure. >> The only reason I'm doing >> Why would I? >> I don't know. Don't don't don't ask me cuz I don't know why you did any of this. And I also don't know why you've not been truthful from the beginning. That's your long shirt. And uh and if you look around the edges of it, it's it's been kind of hacked. Um and we think it's because it said Hartville, Ohio on it. And with all, you know, this certainly is going to be an identifier for her somewhere. you know, if she was just in the river, why would it matter if she had a heartfelt on her shirt? >> I don't know, >> you know. Um, well, these are important things, you know. They're very important things, Phil. And, uh, it's interesting because >> Cany sell the cheap focused on the money. >> No, the truck. No, I'm focused on the Roberta Park. >> Yeah. Do you understand what's going on here? >> Where is Roberta? >> In the Tennessee River. >> If If that's the case, then why'd you cut her shirt off? >> I don't know. But I did. I don't remember doing it. >> Well, I'm not a psychologist. I don't I don't know. I mean, that for all I know, that could be true. It might not be true. I don't know. But I do know this. your track record since the beginning. You failed the polygraph. you know that you failed the polraph and we talked about that and and you were adamant about certain facts that today you've changed pretty easily when faced with evidence that shows you huge chunk of fl and her tongue was like swollen >> and she couldn't breathe and she said if I start to die and Kenny knows this if I start to die let me Phil, >> I'm sure you were a really good carpenter. You spent a lot of years being a carpenter, right? Yes. Okay. I spent a lot of years being a policeman. And And if what you're saying is true, why didn't you just let her pass quietly and then call the police and and and you could still have taken her down. Maybe just her ashes, but you could still have taken her down in spirit. >> I could have. >> Why didn't you? >> I don't know. I was in shock. I don't know. Well, I was. >> But you were in shock enough to put her in plastic and to take her out the your truck and throw it back and then lie lie lie lie lie lie lie all the way down there. >> I don't know. >> I mean, Phil, I bet you I haven't counted, but I bet I got more than 20. Probably not 50, but more than 20 lies. And you lied to him in the beginning. You lied to Brian. You lied to every family. You called every single one of them and told them a different version of the story. And you know what that tells a person that's been a policeman all his life? >> You're guilty of something. >> I'm not. I didn't kill my wife. >> And And nobody's accused you of killing your wife. >> I didn't. >> That's the first time I've even that word has even come out in this entire conversation. Is it? >> No. You said, "Did you kill your wife?" >> I did. I never asked you that. >> I've never asked you that. I've asked you what happened. I I I didn't harm my wife. >> Oh, you said that a bunch of times. >> You said that in the note, didn't you? >> Did you leave a note for Kenny? >> Why? >> I wanted him to know I didn't harm his mom. >> Okay. But honestly, do you think he knows that now? >> I hope he does. >> But how how does anybody know anything if you are still being deceptive? If if you want people to believe what you say, you have to say the truth. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. From the beginning, from the first time I talked to you, you haven't been truthful. You know, if we're getting close on long enough, >> you can stop it whenever you want. >> She's here to help me. >> Well, yeah, but she she's just here because you asked her to be here. We're not hurting you. We're not going to hurt you. >> No, but >> listen. Listen. Well, you know what I want? I want to go get Roberta. Help me go get her. >> You're going to have to go to the Tennessee River cuz that's where I put her place >> on Route 40. >> Yes. >> On the bridge. >> On the bridge. >> Then why'd you cut her shirt off? That doesn't make any sense. I >> mean, did you did you hope that you would never have to tell anybody you put her in the room? >> Possibly. I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I mean, your first story was about this mysterious group of EMS people that were going to that took her somewhere. Then you explained to some that she had been cremated down there. Others she was going to be cremated down there. Remember those versions of the story? >> Not really. >> Somebody even told you spread the ashes on the way back >> because because you didn't want to be on uh >> on anybody's mantle. I didn't say anything about spreading ashes. >> Well, how do you remember that so clearly? But you're so vague on everything else. >> Cuz you just said that. I didn't I didn't I didn't do that. >> Well, we were told you did. >> No. >> Told you. >> Well, the only people that talk to us are ones that you spoke. >> So, let me ask you this. When when when Robera went into the room, what exactly did she have on? >> Her sweatpants. >> Okay. >> And a blue shirt and black bags. >> And what? >> Those bags. >> And those black bags were the only thing that was on her from the time you left your house to the time you got to the river. It was but it was cold. It was 10°. >> Well, let me let me let me share something with you, Phil. We had we had Jet, who is a cadaabver dog, go all through your truck. >> Okay. >> Jet said there was a dead body that was had been in there. And Jet spots these. That's what he does. He's been trained to know, just like a dope dog or a dog searches for missing people, this dog is trained to know the smell of death. when it when it got to your red tote in the basement, it it it locked on that like like you know it was something of tremendous value, you know, and it probably was to the dog. But in your truck, it didn't care about anything. You know, where you were laying in your basement on the plastic and and that and that and that pad, it walked right over that like it was nothing. It it smells death. And and think about this. Think about like I would think. Your wife is in the back of your truck. She's only got two garbage bags protecting her and you're driving and she's in the back of your truck. Don't you think she's moving around, jostling around while she's back there, which is only and she's passed away. So the the normal protections that the body has aren't there. That's only going to expedite how the body deteriorates. And the dog says, "I don't see anything in there." Now, you did say you washed your truck in Memphis. Why'd you wash your truck in Memphis? I >> couldn't see out of the windows. >> Okay. But you have windshield wipers, >> right? >> Yeah. It was salt all over [clears throat] everything. Well, what did you use to clean the floor on your side of the truck? >> On my side of the truck? >> I didn't clean the floor on my side. >> Oh, we we just so you know, we took your we have your uh we have your floor mat and we did all kinds of swabs. When when we were searching your truck, we used a a lumininal process which looks for DNA and it it lights up when it when it as it reacts to DNA. And the floor of your truck looked like a constellation. It was so bright. And we took we wasn't me. We have these these uh evidence technicians from the Bureau of Criminal Investigation, which is out of the Ohio Attorney General's office, come down with their big trucks. Um and and they're the ones that collected all this evidence. Now, we don't have it back yet. So, I I can't tell you what it was, but I can tell you this much. There was a lot of activity on on on you on the door jamb, on your gas and brake pedal and on the floor. Now, none on the passenger side. And we kind of surmise from that that that you got your feet dirty uh somehow somewhere and you cleaned it up. >> I didn't clean my the floor of my truck. I cleaned the outside of it. I didn't >> Well, we're going to run through one of those wheel workers. >> Okay. Well, just so you know, we're going to know because we took when you get your truck back, there will be no floorboard on the driver's side or format because we took it because it's got evidence in it. We don't know what it is yet because it it could be a couple of different things, >> but the but it's already been expedited to the lab. So, it's going to come back along with, you know, the other evidence that we've set up there because, you know, we're pretty good at what we do, but we're not we're not we can't go to court and testify as experts on anything. These guys, that's what they do. It's like it's like I could I couldn't be your nurse. She could do a fabulous job. You know, we we all have our own areas of expertise. That's these guys. The dog says, >> "I don't I don't I I don't I don't It did not alert like it's supposed to. If if she'd have been in there, the floor of your truck says I've been cleaned and I still have something in here. And like I said, we're going to figure that out. It's your opportunity to tell us what really happened. >> I did. I just I did just a few minutes ago. >> That's the whole truth this time. >> Yes. >> Nothing. No lies in there at all. I took her out of that house. >> Where in the house did she die? >> She died in the living room. >> Where at the living room? >> Right. Well, she collapsed right there at the end at the edge of the um coffee table and in the big round table. So if I ask you this story again in the week, where will she have died at? >> Right there. >> Okay. Let me ask you. [clears throat] If she died, why didn't you call Kenny? >> I don't know. I wanted I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know. >> I don't know. You you you didn't I mean you obviously knew that this day was going to confront you. >> Yes. >> That the police would be here and we'd be talking about why you did what you did. >> That's why I tried to commit suicide. >> I wanted him to sell everything, sell all have a tag sale and sell all >> So So do you think it would be fair for any never to know where Robert is and to lose you? I told him that she and I told you she's in the Tennessee River. >> You know, it's the only part of the story since the story first changed to me that you're sticking to, which makes me wonder if that is true. But I want you to know, man, I I feel a responsibility to your family to do whatever we can to find her. And I'm telling you, I would drive you down there. We we could go pack a bag. Well, right. She probably wants to leave, but we could pack a bag and go tomorrow on my dime to go find her. Do you want me to do that? >> Do you know where she is? It's in the Tennessee River. >> Wow. It was blackout. The bridge that I >> Let me tell you this. Let me tell you this. And help me to understand this, too, because I don't know. I don't think I've ever been on Route 40 over the Tennessee Bridge, but there's a guy down there. His name is Kenny Christopher. He is the elected sheriff of Benton County, Tennessee. Benton County is exactly where Route 40 goes over the Tennessee River. And and as you just said now, as as you've said to me a number of times, you saw the sign that said Tennessee River and you looked and there was nobody coming. It was really black. And you got out, you got her out and you put her over to the side [clears throat] and you put her in. Katie Christopher, a guy that I actually believe says, "Chief, Route 40 is incredibly busy. I can't imagine that there's a time of day, any time of any day where there's not traffic on Route 40 over the Tennessee Bridge, at least one way, if not both ways. He said, he basically said, "I'm calling [ __ ] on that because I know that road because I it's my jurisdiction. I'm elected to be the sheriff here. >> There's no tail lights behind me." >> Well, no, there'd be no tail lights behind you because there'd be headlights behind me. There >> no headlights behind me. No lights. Um, so this was the I mean, why would the sheriff tell me, "Geez, that didn't happen." That road That road is unbelievably heavily traveled in and out of Memphis. It's a It's a big It's between Memphis and Nashville, right? >> Yes. >> That's a That's a That's a heavily heavily traveled road. >> I don't want to talk about it anymore. >> I don't blame you cuz you know why? You're going to have to tell the truth. And you know, you wanted the nurse here, she's here. You wanted Kenny, he's here. Why don't you tell the truth now instead of, you know, letting letting the media decide what the heck you did and how you did it and where you did? >> They're going to decide anyway. >> No, they're not. Phil, let us tell us where Tell us where Roberta is and let us get her. >> She's in the Tennessee River. I'm telling you, she's in there. I heard the splash. She's there. >> Well, if that's the case, why'd you cut off her shirt? >> I don't remember doing that. I don't know. I don't know why. If I did it, I don't know why. >> Because it said Hardville on it. And >> if somebody saw some a female body with a hardboil shirt on it, two makes four. That's >> We're going to call Heart Bill and say we found her. There's a good chance that I'll be released tomorrow. >> Okay. >> There's a good chance. >> Okay. >> And my psychiatrist said when I get tired, just let just stop and If I have to um if you prosecute me, if you if you're going to do what they what did they call it a >> I said what I said was I'm going to go to the grand jury and explain this whole thing to them because you know they >> what do you call it if say you knock on someone's door and they said no you can't come in and you go >> and you and you go get a >> search warrant >> a search warrant >> or there's you prosecute. There's a possible prosecution. >> Mhm. >> Are you Is that going to happen? >> Well, the way things stand, it probably is because because >> No, no. When I go to court, I'll have to get a court appointed attorney. >> Well, you probably would, you know, but you're leaving an awful lot on the table that you don't have to leave on the table. If if I'm going if I'm telling you in advance, I'm going to go to this grand jury and I'm going to tell him what you've told me to this point. Why don't you give me some ammunition that's in your benefit? Why don't you Why don't you help me with the truth? >> I didn't I didn't harm her. >> Okay. >> She died on her own. Well, and and she and but up until 25 minutes ago, she died in Columbus on Route 71 in Cincinnati, Columbus. >> But now when confronted with additional evidence, I mean, what >> I want to be truthful with Kenny. That's the reason I had him come in. >> I'm glad you do because I'm going to have more evidence. >> And when I have more evidence, what's the new truth going to be? I don't know. >> I It's what I told you. >> Well, but but Phil, there's only one truth. And I've explained this to you a whole bunch of times. There's only one way to tell the truth. There's a whole bunch of ways to lie. And the problem with lying is you forget what you said the last time. And I'm sure you've said so many versions of this story to this point. Even just to me, not but I mean, you've done it to Kenny, too. And you've done it to Brian. And you've done it to to all of Robera's sisters, all these people that care about you. >> I haven't even spoken to her sisters yet. I want to thank them for helping with all they've done. >> It'd be nice if you would help them get some closure. Just Just tell us. >> Can you come and get me tomorrow if they release me? >> I guess. Okay. You may he may not. I don't know. >> Yeah. Well, none of us know. I I just know this much to the doctor. >> Yeah. I just know this much, man. You're You're not helping yourself. You know, if if waiting for me to prove what you just said isn't true only then to add more truth to the story, that doesn't help you. That that literally digs the hole deeper. makes a difference. Not only that, but you you know, you brought Kenny into this and think about how he's going to feel at the end of this meeting. You know, here's what I hope. When we walk away, at least you be truthful with him. At least you tell him the whole truth. >> I have, >> you know, if you you mean just now? >> Yeah. >> Because because we pushed you to >> No, just I want him to know. >> I do too. because he's been so helpful >> and he has been he let me tell you what that's a loyal son right there. >> I know he is >> even even through tremendous adversity. That's a loyal son. I I have I I can't explain to you how much respect I have for your son. It's huge. And I I don't I've never felt that way about about somebody in investigation. >> This has Okay, this has nothing to do with money. All I want to know is is there a problem with letting Kenny take care of my stuff? All my stuff. >> You gave him a power of attorney. >> Yeah, that's it's already being handled. We talked about this yesterday. Remember I came in yesterday and I showed you the papers from the tag sale. >> But this this you didn't say that he's okay with it. >> Well, he doesn't care. >> I I I I couldn't stop it. I wouldn't stop it. I I told you I have >> But it has nothing to do with money. >> Well, of course it does. >> No, it doesn't. It It's It's >> Well, and and let me tell you about money. >> It's I want that condo to be empty. >> Okay. >> So, I can go to a smaller two-bedroom apartment. >> That makes sense. But let let me tell you about money though. When we have a death certificate, that that life insurance is available. We don't have a we won't have a death certificate probably for about seven years if we don't have the body. You realize that he I mean why can't be >> I won't be here in seven years. >> No but can he Yeah. still living with the legacy of this. We don't need to. I'm telling you you have a you have a great opportunity right now. And and and the thing about opportunities is they tend to go away if you don't take advantage of them. >> She it happened just like I said. She choked on her front. >> What? But what happened after that? >> I I put her in the back of the truck. >> How did you get her in the truck? >> I put her in there. >> How? put her over my I put a bag on her bottom, put her over my shoulder and struggled with her and got her and put her back in the truck. >> Do you know what I know? I know that you couldn't have done it unless you opened your garage door and pulled your truck forward before you did all that. >> No, I can pull it forward enough to get the tailgate down >> and to get her in it. >> Yeah, >> I don't think so. >> I don't think so. I can show you. >> I'm not going to be the body. You could have picked me up anyway. >> No, I don't. >> So So, but I don't I mean, >> at least at least at least we know that she didn't die in Memphis. So I could tell Memphis stand out. Do you know how much their resources have gone to this investigation? We talk about money, >> you know, and Benton County Sheriff, they're still looking in the river. Talk about money, man. helicopters out there that personnel out there. You talk about money. I I had the FBI in here doing a forensic electronic search of the truck. Talk about money. I had BCI down here and this and this amazing cadaabver canine. Talk about money. There's and and I'm not complaining about that. Not at all. I'm just asking you be considerate of Kenny. I am >> be considerate of of Roberta's family and let's find Roberta. Roberta can tell the story once we find her of how she died. >> But there's no You're not going to f [snorts] When you do find her. >> Did you hear what you just said? >> You will. >> You just told me we were not going to find her. >> No, I did not say that. >> I'm not the only one in the room. Don't want that. >> Did I say that? >> Started. >> I What I said was when you do find her, that's what I started to say. There's not going to be any foul play. >> Well, then just tell us where she really is >> in the Tennessee River. She I the bridge I'm not Kenny showed me on his computer. >> We all We all that on on the computer. >> There's two more than one bridge that goes across the Tennessee River. >> Yeah. >> I don't know for positive sure which one. I know that it was the sign said Tennessee River and it was a bridge and there was water running down underneath the bridge and I placed her I placed her in the river. Well, I I know she's busy. I know he's busy. I know I and I'm not just going to chase my tail all day long, you know. And I and I I know you don't you don't want to share any more than you have to, but I'm just telling you, my friend, this is this is a big mistake on your part. >> If they if you indict me and they prosecute me, what are they going to prosecute me for? >> Well, that would be up to a grand jury to decide. It wouldn't be up to me. I would just explain the facts as I know them. But I would think it'd be pretty serious. >> I'll have to get a courtapp appointed attorney then. >> Well, [snorts] >> yeah, you probably would. >> That's probably what I have to do. >> Well, the sad thing is >> if I go to jail, I go to jail. I at this point I don't care. >> I know. But >> you think he cares? >> Yes, I think he does. >> Let's help him out. If you want to help yourself out, let's help him out. Let's help him to understand. >> I want this done. This is enough. >> Okay. >> This is I've had enough. >> Do you agree? I've had enough. >> That's come to you. >> Dr. Peek said, "When I've had enough, stop the conversation." >> Okay. >> He's my psychiatrist. >> Okay. >> And I I can't do this anymore. I can't I got to stop it right now. And we can we can maybe continue at it some other time, but right now my heart my chest my heart is thumping. My my blood pressure this morning was like 98 over 60 something. Right now it's probably 200 over 100. But >> that tends to happen in these circumstances. >> My chest is thumping. I have I have to stop. Please, please stop. >> Okay. Okay. Well, just just so you know, and don't say another word, okay? You don't have to say another word. But I want you to think about what we talked about today. And the problem with that is as I and I told you this at your house the other day, uh, when I came to get the truck, what's inside you will eat you up if you don't let it out. You You're obviously a man with a conscience. I can see it in your eyes. I know it because I've talked to you enough times. The problem is you're also a stubborn guy. And you think for some reason whatever you did is so bad that you can't talk about it unless unless I lay out in front of you proof that what you're saying is not true. >> And and you please don't talk. Okay. So, so just so you know, there there will be we have more stuff. We have more stuff. And so whether I get to talk to you with about it or not or whether it's I talk to a grand jury, um I can honestly tell you it's a lot better when we talk than when I talk to a grand jury. It's a whole lot better. So, I just want you to think about that. And I want you to think about all the people that love you and all the people that love Roberta. Regardless of whether you know she was difficult or not, she was a mother, she was a daughter, she was a sister, and she was a wife. I just want you to think about it because >> for 53 years >> exactly. >> And how much did I put up with? >> Well, quite a bit. He listen, that is your that is your most staunch defender right there. Every time we talk, >> he explains to me how life was for you >> and and and what a great guy you are and he how confident he is about what happened. But that confidence gets shaken every time the police say, "Phil, that's not true." And then you then then then then you change your story to adapt to what the police just said because we have evidence that shows that you know you it wasn't it wasn't as you're telling it. And and that would be a terrible place to leave Kenny. He's I'm telling you as as a guy that's that loyal that's that good. It's a terrible place to leave. Whether you leave me like that or him, we'll be okay. We'll we'll move on. It wasn't our family member. We we care a lot. Trust me. But we'll be okay. I don't want to see him where you were the other night. Please. That that would be a terrible outcome from this whole thing, you know, and and and as much as you're suffering and you know the truth, this guy >> doesn't know and he is suffering. So if you don't if you don't want to tell us, I get that. Tell him. Tell him. Let him at least be able to make peace with what the heck happened. >> Okay. Okay. >> Philip Snyder was originally charged in Stark County, Ohio with aggravated murder, tampering with evidence, and gross abuse of a corpse in the 2018 death of his wife, Robera Snyder. On August 27th, 2018, he pleaded guilty to all three counts and was sentenced the same day to life in prison with parole eligibility after 20 years. The most recent publicly reported information indicated he remained incarcerated in the Ohio prison system with first parole eligibility around 2038.