[snorts] I was nuts. Okay. [snorts] [snorts] Not much. >> [sighs] [snorts] >> The man sitting in this chair remembers almost every detail of his life. the year got married, the names of his old jobs, the cigar bar he used to visit, even the number of his neighbors house, everything. But the moment the detective brings up one particular morning, his memory suddenly disappears. I don't remember anything. There are fresh scratches across his neck. His knuckles are torn. And inside his home, instigators have found blood spatter across two different ceilings. Then he asks the detective a strange question. What did I do? Tell me. The detective gives him a simple answer. That's something only you know. For the next 40 minutes, the man cries. >> It's taking time. >> He begs. He tries to convince everyone in the room that he is the helpless victim of what happened. And then the detective says one short sentence, just one line. And suddenly his entire story begins to collapse like a house of cards. What was that one sentence? Let's go back to the beginning. >> You is about what happened with Sophie. So, not in that incident. >> I didn't cut Sophie that night. She told you guys that I didn't do that to her. [snorts] >> Yeah. I'm not talking about that night. I'm talking about since then. >> [snorts] >> Sophie suffers from bipolar schizophrenia. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> And she can't drink, but she insist on drinking. Gets very violent. >> Right. >> She's done lots of crazy things and with lots of people. >> Yeah. >> Not things just just using people and just horrible. >> Right. >> People have demons. It's not a big >> I threw my life away because of Sophie. had to throw your life away >> because everyone in my company, most of my neighbors, everyone said she's going to destroy you. She's she's she's evil. That's all she does. >> Okay. But what's happened that's destroyed your life. [snorts] >> Being with her, she gets you so up. She can manipulate people so well. um controlling uh being super wonderful and super sweet and just completely flip out the other way and come at your eyes with with claws. [snorts] >> Good. >> It's not good. It's horrible way. >> I didn't say good. I said okay. >> I Let me ask you this. Do you you understand uh you're under a bake wreck from the hospital, right? >> Do you know what a baker is? >> Means I'm insane. No, it doesn't mean you're insane at all. It means that >> I think I've lost my mind is what you're asking me. >> No, no, no. I'm not asking that at all. I'm asking you if you understand what a baker act is. >> Uh I'm a threat to myself or to others. That's what the nurse told me. >> And that doesn't mean that you're insane or it doesn't mean that you've lost your mind. Like you said, that that just means that you were having ideations and that you were um a threat to yourself or to others. [snorts] Okay. [clears throat] People can be Some people are intermittently throughout their whole life. That doesn't make them insane. It just means they're depressed. Far cry from being insane. As a matter of fact, [snorts] I asked for help from my sister and she just walked away because of Sophie. >> I asked for help from my friends that I've known for years to help me. They all said no because of Sophie. >> Yeah. >> I basically got walled off from people that I cared for, even my own daughter. >> Earlier this week, you were asking people for help. >> Yeah. When when did you when did you start asking for help? This week >> days ago and just talking to friends and saying, "I don't know what I'm going to do. I can't I can't do this anymore." >> What friends? >> Well, I mean, what did you ask is what I'm asking? >> John John, my talked to my cousin. I talked to a bunch of friends, even my pastor, Craig. >> Okay. >> He lives two doors down. >> He's the one that initially called you guys. >> Two doors down from where I live? like 7,400 or >> till this moment Orin has been talking as if Sophie is simply somewhere out there. He has spent the interrogation explaining how difficult their relationship was, how much she supposedly controlled his life and how badly things had fallen apart. Then detectives give him one piece of information clearly wasn't expecting to hear out loud. Sophie is dead. His immediate reaction isn't an explanation. It's a question. What did I do? And that question changes everything because detectives haven't told him what happened to her. So why does his mind immediately go there? The answer is something we'll uncover as the interrogation continues >> and you know the friends are too far away and they just lose distance and so it became work nursing home and home and I tried to get our daughter we have an only child to help out and she didn't want to. She just I can't deal with it. And and she dropped out of school and just was alone. No one to help me. And I don't like to go doing the dating thing. And I met Sophie at a fundraiser [snorts] and came they all came to a couple people came to my house and I fell in love with her. But she's evil. >> How long's that been? >> Almost a year. >> Yeah. I've literally packed her up three different times. Mhm. >> With all of her stuff and put her out of the house. And all three times she's found a way to come back. Finally just gave up. [snorts] >> You think she contributed to your reaching out for help from people? >> I knew >> this week. No, I mean this week specifically. >> What happened? What did she do? [sighs and snorts] >> She'll go from being really wonderful to saying the most horrible things ever. You're you're not a man. Uh, you're a failure. I don't love you. I think of other people [clears throat] when I'm having with you. Uh, I'm going to put you away in jail even though you you know that you didn't cut me. I'm going to tell them that you did. I'm going get you put in jail for 20 20 years. You need to go to prison. You're a fool. All kinds of crazy [ __ ] [clears throat] >> What does she tell you? >> She says [ __ ] like that in front of Kim. Her best friend said crazy [ __ ] We've watched Kim and Bill go out actually freaking claw and fight with each other. Bill's been arrested several times for assault against us cuz they're not married seven years. I guess they should be. But they're bad to be around and every time there there's always violence. Always violence. >> Mhm. [clears throat and snorts] >> Dozens of cuts. That's why she wears long sleeve shirts. And then Sophie started doing that when I broke up with her feather words. Took a knife. She right here with a knife superficially. I let her come back. [snorts] >> When's the last time you saw Sophie? >> Earlier this week. >> You remember what day it was? >> I [snorts] don't even know what my name is sometimes right now. I'm serious. I'm not I'm not playing games with you. >> You know what day it is right now? because they keep telling me it's Saturday. >> Okay. >> What year is it? >> Uh to 2019. >> Who's the president? >> Uh Donald Trump. >> Okay. >> But I didn't know that three days ago. >> Okay. >> You know today [clears throat] though. >> Yeah. Cuz they keep telling me every time they come in and come see me, they ask me the same questions. I could even walk [clears throat] when I came and they had to literally carry me. I literally could >> What happened? I don't know. I don't know. Well, I mean, was your leg did your leg stop working or I mean, what was you said you couldn't walk in? >> I took some sleeping pills. >> Okay. >> Okay. But I didn't take a shitload of sleep pills. I don't take anything. I don't even hardly ever take aspirin, >> right? >> I've got a drug I use for low thyroid. I take it every day. And I take men's multivitamins and vitamin E and some other stuff in my fridge to stay healthy. I try to watch what I eat, you know, and try to I do aerobic exercises and try to stay healthy, but I got stuck in a in a spiral of just happy, miserable, happy, miserable, happy, miserable, wanted to take the sleeping pills a couple different nights because I wasn't able to sleep. She she'll get [clears throat] on one of her little binges and she'll stay up all night and uh you know we sleep in the same bedroom, same bed and uh she's up you know playing it playing the stereo and dancing around and trying to sleep and if you don't what are you doing you me blah blah blah you don't love me you >> well I mean you said you took some sleeping pills and then it affected you so when's the last time you remember taking those sleeping pills >> which might have been more than sleeping pills you got so used to stuff too. >> Okay. When's the last time you remember taking the sleeping pills and maybe whatever? >> I want to say 3 days ago. >> So, you don't >> you don't remember anything for the past 3 days? >> The last besides when you guys woke me up, I haven't met you two gentlemen yet at that point. Uh I woke up at the hospital. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh I didn't know where I was. Okay. I didn't know what was going on. >> I I couldn't I couldn't stand to go to the bathroom. They put a a catheter on my my my could urinate. >> Um I remember going downtown St. Pete and uh getting a cigar and sitting outside and uh having a glass of Jameson and ginger ale. And >> where'd you go to have to get the cigar? >> Oh, where I always go? It's a place called Central Cigar. >> Okay. Downtown. >> And when when do you remember going there? 3 days ago. [snorts] So that would have been Wednesday, I guess. >> The detective asks a simple question. What happened with Sophie? But Warren doesn't really answer it. Instead, he starts telling them about Sophie. She was violent. She was manipulative. She controlled his life. She destroyed his family. Every problem has an explanation. And in Warren's version of the story, Sophie is the villain. But the detective doesn't argue with him. He simply keeps asking questions and Warren keeps talking. Then something strange happens. He starts claiming that his memory is disappearing. He says he can't remember certain days, certain conversations, certain moments. But there's one problem. The man sitting in that chair seems to remember almost everything else. So the question becomes impossible to ignore. Did Warren really lose his memory? Or does his memory only disappear when the questions get too close to Sophie? One of the officers were in my house two or three times before. Uh he's got the situation with Sophie. Uh he's arrested Sophie. He's arrested me. Was Sophie at the house when your daughter came to get you? >> I don't think so. Where was she at? She would have argued because Stephanie hates Sophie. >> Okay. [clears throat] Do you know where she was at? >> No, probably next door chemist. >> Okay. >> My house. That's where she stays all the time. >> Okay. Um, so when's the last time you remember seeing Sophie then? [clears throat] The last time we're over at Kim and Bills. Another huge argument. Uh, they're having a good time. The girls are singing. What they like to do is they use the the phone on a Bluetooth. They play songs and Kim always plays these I've got this kind of music like pardon my language kind of music a lot. She does that a lot. And then Sly they're both >> I don't know that genre. What is Bill music? >> No no no sorry. It's music that's made by independent woman women that uh uh telling I don't need you. I miss the sheets that I used to my own sheets used to wash and all this other you know. >> Yeah. Kind of manhating. >> I hate Yeah. Yeah. A lot of it. a lot of abuse. >> That's that's pretty prevalent in society. You know, independent women don't like Yeah. >> That's not what you should play to people who try to work things out. I'm not >> Yeah. I don't know. How was Sophie as a wife? Was she Here's what's going to be the most ironic things. I've met her whole family. Sophie had a wonderful husband. They uh they got she was out of college. She was 22. He's 30. He's 10 years older. uh they met uh she was working two jobs. One at uh the crime lab for Hillsboro County and doing something at the hospital. She's a college graduate. Uh they had two wonderful boys. They built a house in Town and Country. They sold that. They did another house and sold that. And at about nine years of marriage, she just decided I want to get married. Walked away. >> Okay. >> And I met the husband. He's fantastic. And the boys are both outstanding young men. Um, I could never get her to go see her boys. Uh, u she was in jail for 54 days. She came up to her next trial date. I got an attorney, a $3,000 attorney that got her released. She was, uh, >> found guilty of battery. I went to the court and read uh, and photo of Judge Gryinger. The first time she went up, it was too early. She has a family that wants to support her and and friends that behind her. She just needs to stay away from the alcohol. and she could be a normal person. And Judge Chriser said, "No, we need to get some programs, these antiviolence programs, and you know, do this." So, she did another 54 days. When court date was coming up, I hired a good attorney and he got her released with no restrictions or anything. I met her father at the jail to pick her up. We talked for about an hour and brought her home. part about her like being a wife. Was she uh [snorts] does she work in a relationship with you or I mean she does she you know I think sometimes a man is usually the one that's kind of the head of the household and >> she had a job uh working at Tuesday morning. >> Uhhuh. >> And she was arrested uh for battery or something. I can't remember how many times we both been arrested about with her. I can't remember. And then she was put out on bond and then uh when she went to court she's arrested again for another charge. So um so you didn't have any control over her most of the time. >> I have no control over her at all. >> Yeah. She didn't >> she didn't listen to you. She didn't take your lead on anything [snorts] trouble. >> You try to make suggestions you can make your life better. Do this. You need to stay away from the alcohol and the people that cause you to not do the right thing. >> Right. and stay away from drugs. >> Yeah. >> She don't listen to them. >> No. >> Yeah. >> She just went and saw our boys the other day. I I the navigator and gave her money to go take them out to go eat. They went to Chili's. >> Mhm. They did. Yeah. Yeah. I talked to her son. >> I talked to both of them. Yeah. >> Nice kids. >> They're very well behaved young men. >> Yeah. >> Any idea where Sophie's at now? >> No. Do you know where she is? >> I do. >> Where is she? >> She's in the medical examiner's office. Medical examiner's office. >> Mhm. >> Why? She's deceased. >> Why? Well, I don't know that. So, I was kind of hoping you'd tell me. [sighs] Warren keeps saying the same thing. Boy, I don't remember. He can't remember the last few days. He can't remember what happened that morning. He can't even seem certain about the timeline. But then the detective asks about something completely ordinary, the cigar. And suddenly remembers. He remembers the cigar bar. He remembers going downtown. He remembers what he drank. He remembers that he went there regularly. The details are surprisingly clear. But when detectives move back toward the morning Sophie disappeared, the memory disappears again. That's when this becomes more than a simple memory problem. Because Warren isn't forgetting everything. He's remembering certain details perfectly. While the most important part of the story remains a blank space and detectives are about to focus on that blank space because if he remembers where he went for a cigar, what exactly happened during the hours he can't remember? I' I'd just like to know what happened with you and so [sighs] it doesn't I I don't doubt you love her, but it sounds like you two had a really volatile relationship. Sounds like you tried to help her. Sounds like she didn't take your lead. I mean, there's whole gamut of things. [laughter] Do you know what happened to your hands here? [clears throat] [snorts] >> Yeah. [clears throat] Is that knuckle broken or can you move that those two fingers? Yeah. Yes, sir. She's She's deceased. [clears throat] [snorts and clears throat] [gasps] >> [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] >> Why would you ask me what you did? Obviously, it must have been me who wasn't hurt. Who else would hurt her? >> I I don't know. You You tell me. >> She have a enemy. >> Okay. >> Warren is still pretending he forgot the last few days. However, I'm sure he knows Sophie did have an enemy, and that is none other than himself. But unfortunately for Warren, he's not a gifted actor, something he's about to be given a brutal reality check for. Would you have hurt her because she was hurting you? You don't seem like a kind of guy who hurt somebody to not to me anyway. Don't know what I am anymore. I'm not doing it anymore. [sighs] I don't know who I am anymore. >> Yeah. Oh, no. I don't remember anything. And I don't think I could kill her. >> Yeah. >> [clears throat] [snorts] >> She's all I cared about. My whole world. I [snorts] lost my family over her, my business over her, my sanity over her, everything. Everything. >> [snorts] >> I just got to point out you're you're you know you're not there are no tears coming from your eyes. >> What? >> You're not crying. >> Tears from my eyes. >> No, there's no tears in your I'm I'm sitting here looking at you. There's no tears in your eyes. There's not. I mean I'm just I'm just pointing out the fact here. I'm just trying to ask you, you know, you look like you're sad. You look like you're crying, but there's not a single tear coming under your eye. Okay. [clears throat] There there's still no tear on your finger there. [snorts] You're telling me I love her? >> No, I'm not telling you that at all. I think you did love her. But like you said when you came in here, she's evil. I think she unleashed some evil on you and you unleashed some evil back and evil and evil and that doesn't equal good, right? And I can completely sympathize with you if you're doing something like self-defense or something like that, but it doesn't look like self-defense to me because your neck there, you've got fingernail scratches all down the front of your neck and onto your chest and the backs of your hands are torn up like you were in a [clears throat] pretty good fist fight. It's been many years since I've fought where I up my knuckles like that. And I'm a cop. [snorts and clears throat] You kind of expect that fight for a living sometimes, but I'm I'm just looking at this here and I'm I'm just wondering if you're >> Warren's non-existent tears can't wash away the crime scene evidence. According to officers, the entire house was ransacked. They also found blood spatter on the ceiling of two different rooms, which means the altercation moved throughout the house. But the exact details of the crime still remain unknown, and the only person who can give any answers is busy putting on a show. So to get a confession, officers decide now is the time to press Warren. >> People tell police officers they [snorts] don't lie to us so much as they just don't tell us the truth. The whole truth. And I'm I'm just wondering if you're just not telling me the whole truth because you think the truth will make you look worse when in fact the whole truth may actually make you look a lot more innocent. You know what I'm saying? >> [snorts] >> We have people sitting in here in this room all the time [clears throat] that [snorts] have killed or maimed or injured other people. Sometimes they're justified. There's no justification for killing a human being. >> That's that's not true. Under the li under the eyes of the law, there is justified homicide. That's that's not true. Sometimes there's justification. One of them is self-defense in defense of another person. There's there's a couple different reasons that it's justified to to kill another person. >> There's no justification murder. >> Okay. >> Now you're saying a murderer. >> No, you you kind of told me that you did. You kind of said, "What did I do?" [snorts] And I'm I'm just telling you what I'm sitting here across the table looking at. >> You told me that she's dead. >> Yes. She's in the corner's office. >> Yes. And you said, "What did I do?" >> I didn't say, "What did you do?" You said, "What did I do?" >> What did I do? >> I don't know. [snorts] The only person who knows what you did is you. [snorts] That's why we're sitting here. I would like to know what you did, but [snorts] I don't know. And I won't ever know unless you tell me. [snorts] She killed me. >> She killed you. She killed me. >> How'd she kill you? emotionally, physically. >> Then the detective gives Warren information he clearly wasn't expecting. She's in the medical examiner's puss. Warren pauses. Why? The detective answers. She's deceased. For a moment, Warren seems completely lost. Then he asks the question that changes the entire interrogation. What did I do? The detective doesn't answer for him. He simply says, "Well, that's something only, you know." Now Warren has a choice. He can explain what happened or he can continue hiding behind the memory gap. He chooses the second option. >> Boy, I don't remember anything. >> But detectives aren't relying on his memory anymore. They're looking at the evidence. Fresh scratches on his neck, injuries across his hands, signs that suggest some kind of physical struggle. And Warren still says he doesn't know what happened. So, detectives have to ask the question he keeps avoiding. If he doesn't know what happened, then how did he get those injuries? >> He has to have a drink. If I had to drive him up, get him whiskey to drink to go to work in the morning. >> Okay. [snorts] I know nice alcoholics. You know, we've all got one or two of those in the family. Where did you find Sophie? When did she tell you she was going to sleep with Mike? >> This week. >> Where at? >> Where is she going to sleep with her? >> Where did she tell you that? >> At our home. Do you >> remember what day? >> No. What time of the day was it when she told you that? >> [snorts] >> I think it was in the morning. She was really nasty. We've been up all night. We're dancing. She's up the bed. I'm trying to sleep. She's up all night sitting there rocking back and forth. Two nights in a row with no sleep. >> Was Mike at the house at the time when she told you that? >> No. He's been working on being able to stay with his wife. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> He gives her money. He gets a paycheck and he pays. >> So Mike said that he stayed with his family on Tuesday. He didn't stay home with you guys. So you and her were up all night dancing and partying >> the night that he was gone. >> We were next door to the neighbor's house. I was having >> Well, Mike was with you guys one night when you went to the neighbor's house. That was on >> That was on Monday. >> Okay. We were back [clears throat] over there Tuesday night. >> Okay. >> And I had uh couple [snorts] beers and the girls drink a bottle of wine. >> Okay. And we're in the kitchen because they go between in the kitchen and on the patio and uh the girls are singing and Kimmy knows the lyrics. I'm watching Kimmy do the lyrics and Sophie flipped out thinking I was looking at Kimmy. Kimmyy's a big girl. >> Okay. >> Just watching her sing it. So if you fat girls fat girls need love, too, right? I mean, [snorts] >> she has a boyfriend. >> Okay. So, she was accusing you of lusting after. >> Okay. All right. [snorts] So, you guys you broke into a fight there at their house? >> Verbal. Yeah. >> Okay. >> We tried to calm her down. It was time to go to bed cuz I'm pretty sure that Kimmy had to go to work. Kimmy works second chef or Southwest second shift. I can't even talk. >> Okay. >> I slept with her once. And did so when you guys got home, did was she planning on going shopping with Kimmy? They do that a lot. They do plan on shopping and u I always make sure that she's got money to buy stuff, buy some clothing. >> Yeah. Um, >> so you guys went home and you were up all night fighting. >> No, she calmed down dancing. >> She calmed down. Well, I had marijuana for her cuz she has to have marijuana to calm down. >> Okay. >> And she smokes some marijuana and she had uh uh what I had what they called white claw. The had a white claw. >> Is that that 5% alcohol stuff or >> Yeah, it's like beer but it's not made with beer. It's not brewed. They kind of slipped between the lines on that one. >> Okay. >> Um, and I tried to go to sleep. I was exhausted. And she's sitting in bed. Her side of the bed's on the on the right side. You're facing the bed next to the lamp. And she's playing dancing. I'm dancing. Please, let me go see if you turn around. You don't love me. Blah blah blah. I had to turn around. I'm okay. Everything's good. It's all right. It's okay. [snorts] Just exhausted. >> [snorts] >> So you had another fight in the morning time. Then that's when she told you she was going to sleep with Mike. It's not the first time she said something like that. >> Yeah. But you said >> trying to hurt [clears throat] me is what she's trying to do. >> Yeah. You said she Wednesday morning she said she going to put put me out of the house again cuz she's done it before. Okay. She's put other people out of their houses in the past using injunctions or or fear of violence. Even though she has a posttopic box, she still claims my home as her residence. [snorts] Okay. But [snorts] so you I mean we what we were saying just here before was that she told you she was going to sleep with Mike just to hurt you. >> Yes. >> And you said she told you that in the morning time >> I think. So >> and it was the morning after you came back from >> their house. >> Kim and Bills and and Mike was not staying at your house that night. >> There was two nights Mike wasn't there. Yeah. >> Two nights >> he stayed out. Yeah. >> Which nights were those? Were they >> consecutive? >> No, I don't think so. I think he came home one night his daughter's birthday. They picked him up. >> Talks about Sophie as if she was the source of every problem in his life, his family, his business, his sanity, everything he says was lost because of her. And now he's crying, begging, trying to show the detectives just how broken he is. But the detective notices something, something small, something Warren probably doesn't expect him to notice. There are no tears. The detective looks at him and says it directly. You're not crying. And suddenly the emotional performance becomes part of the interrogation. The detective isn't simply listening to Warren's emotions anymore. He's testing them. Then he brings the conversation back to something much harder to explain. The injuries, the scratches, the damaged knuckles, evidence of a physical struggle. But Warren still insists, "I don't remember." And now there's a bigger question. If this really was self-defense, why can't Warren remember fight? >> [snorts] >> You didn't come in until we're away. >> Where was Sophie? >> Nobody knows. >> She wasn't with Mike. >> No. >> Or me. >> Or you. She wasn't with anybody. [clears throat] Why would she be with Mike? >> We live together right now. He sleeps on the couch. >> Do you think you heard her? I don't know. >> Well, I mean, I got to tell you, it's a lot easier to understand her being injured off of the things that you've told me about how she was. Okay, I'm not talking [ __ ] about a person that you love, but it doesn't sound like she was a nice person. Okay, I get that. [snorts] >> So, he tell me in a moment of rage I killed him. >> I'm asking you. >> It's impossible. >> Then why wouldn't I remember that? >> Well, I don't know. Unless you're just creating a really good alibi and feed me a line of [ __ ] >> What alibi is that? >> That you can't remember. I mean, that's that's convenient. [laughter] It's very convenient. I'm the prime suspect. [snorts] >> Oh, I No, I think you did it. [clears throat] You're the one telling me that. I wouldn't say you, you know, I think you did it. Just telling you this is just me. I just like to hear it from you. >> Would it make it easier for you if I told you whatever you want me to tell you? >> No, I don't want you to tell me what I want you to tell you. I want you to tell me the truth. I don't want you to tell me anything that I want to hear. That's not the way this works cuz I don't at the end of the day I I don't care. My job is to put the facts on paper and then send it to my bosses and let them do that's that's what my job is. At the at the end of the day when I'm done with this, it it makes no difference to I don't it it doesn't matter what you tell me. Okay. >> Facts speak from the facts. >> They do. They do. >> You have a wound on my chest. >> And I get her nails done professionally. So, she has long fingernails. >> Okay. >> So, my flesh should be under those fingernails. >> Okay. >> True or false? >> True. If if she attacked you there. Yeah. >> Just like when she's bitten me before. Okay. Or scratch me. >> Am I going to find her DNA under your fingernails? Under her fingernails? >> If you said she scratched me, I said someone scratched you there. You told me you guys had a fight on Wednesday morning after being up all night. That looks those scratches there look like, you know, I look two or three days old. I mean, I've got a couple things in my arm here where I had the doctor burn some stuff off and they're a little bit older, so they look a little more healed than those, you know, and it's been about a week. I'm just, you know, we're not young guys. Neither one of us are stupid. I I really think that, you know, I think you could help yourself out a whole lot here when it comes to the courts if you remembered and told him the truth. [snorts] I don't want you to tell me anything that I want to hear. I want you to tell what happened. That's all I want. Okay. Well, so so you went to Bill and Kim's on Tuesday night. You and her stayed up all night long because she was on a bend or whatever. You stayed up all night long dancing. You had the fight that morning and she told you she was going to like You don't remember anything after that, but then you do remember going between 7 and 8:00 a.m. One of those mornings >> to Publix before anybody else got up. >> Prior to all this? Yes. >> So, it was prior to you going to Kim and Bills? >> Yeah. Well, we went to Kim Bills almost every day cuz uh Ken is Sophie's best friend. >> Okay. How do you know nobody was? Did anybody [clears throat] see you leave? And anybody see you come back that morning when you went to Publix? When you drove to Publix? >> Too early. >> Even Even Mike was still asleep. >> If Mike was there that day, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what day it was anything anymore. >> Okay. So, you don't know if Mike was there the day that you went to? >> If he had been there, he would have been on the couch. It's normally where he sleeps. >> Yeah. >> I think only one time the last week he slept in the bedroom. >> Okay. >> I gave him the I gave him Dawn, my wife's bedroom. I don't go in there. >> Okay. >> It's got his own private bath. So, when he went to Publix, though, between 7 and 8:00 a.m., >> right, >> he was there or was not there when he came back. If he's on the couch sleeping, >> I would have seen him. >> You would have seen him, >> right? I think he must have been in the bedroom then with the door closed. >> Okay. But you're sure he [snorts] was there that day? >> I'm not sure of anything. >> Okay. I know this is sounding kind of weird, but I just >> Well, I'm No, I'm trying to help you piece things together. >> Okay. >> Okay. I'm trying to help you piece things together to give me the truth about stuff. Okay. >> Right. Trying to get different loops and weaves to do it. >> No loops and weaves. I'm just trying to give you I'm trying to give you as much I'm reminding you what you told me. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, Tuesday night, Kim and Bills. >> Almost every night, Kim and Bills with either them arguing or or arguing or the girls. >> Okay. Well, let me tell you this. So, Tuesday night you go to Kim and Bills and Wednesday morning she was supposed to go to shopping with Kim. >> Okay. >> Kim has never talked to her since then. >> Okay. >> So, the morning after she went home, Kim texted with her and Kim said, "Let's go." It's about 8:40 in the morning. Kim said, "Yeah." And Kim got a text back from Sophie that said, "I'll get ready and be right over." And then Sophie never came back ever again. So that's the morning that you were having the fight with her. Yes, sir. >> That he wasn't there. >> Okay. >> So [clears throat] around the same time, if you stayed up all night and you're dancing, then she gets a message from the neighbor that says, "Hey, let's go shopping." And then she's never heard >> doesn't call Warren a liar. Instead, gives him an opening. Maybe he didn't lie about everything. Maybe he simply left something out. And then comes the most important part. The detective tells him that the whole truth might actually make him look more innocent, not less. It's an escape route, a chance to explain what really happened without immediately being treated like a monster. But Warren doesn't take it. Instead, goes back to Sophie, her behavior, her threats, her anger, her alleged attempts to hurt him emotionally. Then another name enters the conversation, Mike. Warren says Sophie threatened to sleep with Mike just to hurt him. The detective doesn't interrupt. He lets Warren explain because every new detail gives them something to compare against the evidence. And now they have a name, a timeline, and a story. All they have to do is see whether those three things can exist together. >> So [snorts] I got Kim telling me that Sophie was never seen again after you had your argument with her all night long. >> Okay. You're telling me that it was just you and Sophie in the house and you argued and she said she was going to sleep with somebody that you don't like and then she's never seen again. And then you're sitting here with wounds on your hands and your neck and Sophie's in the mor. I'm no mathematician, but like I told you, the numbers are kind of adding up. >> Can I tell you what I see? I know nothing about this case, as I told you before, right? But I see when the detectives asking you certain questions, even about things that happened a long time ago, your job, what you did, how they've sold, [snorts] all these types of things, your memory is, this is what I'm picking up on. Your memor is quick, but when it comes to this is you want to go around it. I think you're there and I think you know you know more than I do. Okay? And I think you want to but you're just not sure. [snorts] And the thing is that he's trying to get to you is he said it twice. I don't know that you I know you heard it, but did you hear it? Is this could possibly help you in the long run when it comes to the court system? So, me not knowing anything, it's just little things I'm catching. When he asks you certain questions, you pop the answers until he gets to the one. What happened to Sophie? [snorts] You pause. I think you want to say, "Can you give me 20 minutes before I tell you whatever you want? Does send me away yet?" What? >> 20 minutes before I go away. >> I can give you 20 minutes, but I don't want you telling what you want. >> It would not take 20 minutes for Warren to finally crack. Once confronted with how lousy his entire story sounds, it takes him less than a minute to finally confess his crime. >> We went to sleep Saturday, whatever day it was. Right. Sleep. She stayed up all night and I'm trying to sleep and she's dancing, bopping around, dancing, pop around in the bed. I'm trying to Sophie, calm down. Sophie, calm down. But she get up in the morning and she flipped again. I'm through. I'm through. You're You're nothing to me. I don't love you. You're a piece of [ __ ] You're a boy. You're a mess. You're worthless. >> [snorts] [snorts] >> I tried to feed her. I got some meat out for her and tried to get her to eat something I don't want to eat. She went to the backyard. She threw up. Sat down. I started talking to you guys. Here's some more some of your stuff. I always had marijuana for her to calm her down. >> [sighs and gasps] >> And she came at me. Okay. Hit her really hard. [gasps] [snorts] [clears throat] >> [sighs] [snorts] [gasps] [sighs] [snorts] >> I was nuts. Okay. [snorts] [sighs] >> [snorts] >> I just went crazy. [snorts] [sighs] I hit her again and again and again. >> [sighs] [snorts] >> You >> [gasps and clears throat] [sighs] >> She was still breathing. I took the knife off the kitchen table where she's eating breakfast. I stabbed her with it. [snorts] Where? Right here. >> [clears throat] >> Just take your time [snorts] and I turned into a machine. I dragged her down the hallway to the bedroom and I cleaned the kitchen. I cleaned the kitchen. [sighs and snorts] [gasps] [snorts] I put a bag on her head. I put her in a wheelchair. >> [clears throat] [laughter] >> I put her in the car. >> Where in the car? In the trunk. [snorts] I took all the towels and all the bloody clothes and all the [ __ ] Put it in the trunk. >> Warren now explains Tuesday night. He and Sophie went to Kim and Bill's house. They stayed up. They drank. They argued. Then they went home. According to Warren, the argument continued into Wednesday morning. Sophie was angry. She made threats. And then Warren says his memory disappears, but detectives start narrowing the timeline. Mike wasn't there. Nobody else was inside the house with them. Warren says he remembers going to Publix early that morning, but he can't clearly remember what happened before that. And this is where the story becomes difficult to ignore because Sophie was supposed to meet someone that morning. She never showed up and Warren was the last person known to be with her. Suddenly, detectives don't need the entire week explained. They only need one small window of time, the exact period Warren says he can't remember. And that's the one part of the story they aren't willing to leave unexplained. >> I didn't tell them I hurt anybody. I just told them I just want to end my life. This is over. >> Yeah. >> I don't know how I got back home again. [snorts] Why I went back home? I went back home. Where was I when my daughter found me? Tell me the truth. >> You were home. >> Was I passed out? She said um she came to the back door and she said you were like walking like you like you couldn't walk. She said you were she thought you were really took me to the hospital. [snorts] What happened then? Cuz I don't I swear to God I don't know. [snorts] >> Well, tell me. I told you what you wanted to hear. Toby, >> you went to the you went to the hospital and that was it. We haven't been able to talk to you since then. >> You uh your neighbors >> Cam and Bill >> were worried [snorts] about Sophie. >> They hadn't seen her for 24 hours and so Mike ended up finding her and called us. >> Mike opened the chunk of the car. >> Nice. Wonder what he was looking for. Booze. Cuz that's used to hide the booze. Oh. [snorts] See, you got to keep alcohol away from alcoholics. Is that right? >> And normally there's not a gated Cadillac in the house. But I wasn't thinking normally. [snorts] I'm not a monster. I lost mind. Yeah. I know you hear this all the time from people. And if you don't think I'm not crying right now, I'm crying. My soul is crying. >> I I totally believe you now. Totally believe you. I do. I [snorts] shake on it. [clears throat] I I I promise you. I believe you. You told me things that I know are true that I didn't tell you. So, you said that you hit her. What did you hit her with? >> To the bag. What is it called, though? It's called a mace. >> Okay. We call it something different, but Yeah. >> You're right. Blackjack, >> right? I've ridden motorcycles all my life. >> Yeah. Monster. I want to go. Not yet. No, no, no. You're fine. Take your time. >> I want to go. Uh I don't want to go back to those little selves. I'm sorry. It's not enough. This is 9:00 a.m. and thank you for this snacks and thank you for letting me have some time before I go to prison. Why not? Well, going to rush you out of here. Thank you. Can I ask a couple more questions? Whatever you want. >> Okay. So on the morning that this happened, did Kim was sending all kinds of text messages to Sophie and you sent a text message back. Several of them back. >> You What did you send back? >> I told her that she's tired from makeup all night. Just ask Kim once this is over. She'll tell you there's a lot of times Sophie stays up all night and she knows that. Yeah. Cuz she sees me next day. I'm [ __ ] exhausted. Not cuz I'm drinking or doing drugs with her. is just all night. Bipolar people do that, >> right? >> And after a while, it just you wear out. You wear out. >> Sure. >> Um and she'll take sleep and goes to sleep, but she sleep all day. And Kim wants to go a party with her and do that. And so I told her, well, [snorts] she took a sleep pill. She wants to go to bed. I'll get her up in an hour. And Kim got all pissed off. >> Did you send that message from your phone or from Sophie's phone? >> My phone. I never use Sophie's phone. Where is the knife now? >> In that bucket with the rest of the stuff [snorts] >> in the bucket. >> There's a trash bag. >> Yeah. >> It has um my night coat I was wearing. >> Yeah. >> My underwear. >> Yeah. >> A pair of shorts. >> Yep. Uh might have a t-shirt. Yep. No socks. Uh [snorts] Paper towels. [clears throat] A lot of paper towels. Yeah. Is there a hole in the bag? There might have been, but but no, there wasn't a hole in the bag. >> Not that I saw. I mean, how big was the knife? >> Bony knife. >> So that's like a thin >> long >> long thin blade. Yeah. >> Yeah. There wasn't a knife in the bag. I wasn't trying to hide it and put it all together. >> Okay. [clears throat] Maybe throw it in the sink or something. >> Maybe. I washed everything. >> What kind of handle did it have on it? >> It's black plastic. It was a Vectronox. >> Vectronox, >> I think. So, yeah. >> Okay. >> You have lots of knives. I've did knives for 28 years. >> You have You have a lot of Vetronox knives? >> Uh, no. Most of mine are uh Columbia and some other stuff. >> Okay. So if there's a black >> you need it. I admit it to you the door. >> Yeah, I know. We still We just like to verify what you're telling us is the truth >> at this point. Why would I lie about anything? >> I agree. I agree. But you got to ask. So where's her phone? >> I put her phone in the microwave and I threw it away. >> Threw it away at the house? No. Um, I went went to Maria Manor and visited my wife to say goodbye to her. I was in a trash can at Maria Manor. >> Maria Manor, which is a bunk of course. >> Bures Maria Manor is what it's called. >> Okay. >> So, it's already gone out with the trash. >> Okay. Did you have your phones with you while you were traveling around? >> Both of them. >> Okay. >> You made some calls that said you went you told people you were at Sarasota. >> Yes, I did. I told him to pass that. >> Did you ever go down there? >> No. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> I didn't look for him. >> I wanted to have some time. >> The one phone you turned off >> at one point because uh when you told him Sarasota, he called the Sarasota Police Department. >> The detective stops trying to convince Warren. Instead, he tells him something simple. I don't want you to tell me what I want to hear. I want you to tell me what happened. Then he starts putting the pieces together. Tuesday night, the argument. Wednesday morning, Sophie, the injuries, and the missing time. Warren keeps saying he doesn't remember until the detective gives him one final push. Maybe the memory isn't gone. Maybe Warren simply doesn't want to remember it. And then something changes. Warren finally starts talking about the fight. He describes Sophie coming at him. He describes losing control. And then he admits it. Why hit her again and again and again? The memory he couldn't access for most of the interrogation is suddenly coming back with details. And now the detectives have crossed the biggest line in the interview. This is no longer a story about a man who doesn't know what happened. It's becoming confession. But there's still one question left. What did he do after Sophie was down? >> Do you really not have have moments of no remembering that day or do you >> Yes. Okay. >> There's lots of [ __ ] I don't remember. I'm sorry. You don't normally murder someone you love. Okay. >> I'm not Don't Don't apologize to me. That's That's I'm just asking you. >> I don't believe you 100%. >> I uh originally heard the phone on sixth and first is because I went and turned it off and put in the bushes for about 2 hours. >> Okay. >> And came back when nobody saw the phone. I picked it up again. >> Okay. [snorts] >> But that maybe before I jumped off bridge upstairs, I'd like to go look at my pictures again one more time. >> The other phone you can't trace because it's a burner phone. >> No, I'm going to trace it. I bought that so I could talk to her while she's in jail. Did she tell you? Oh, you didn't talk to her? See, I'm telling you, I'm not thinking. She could call me on a phone line that I set up for her and talk to me on the phone. She called me Kevin Hart. >> Okay. >> I talked to her two or three times a day the whole time she was in jail. >> Okay. >> I loved her. >> I believe you. >> I believe you. I believe you >> with all my heart. [snorts] >> I I'm not you when I tell you people sit here all the time. >> I give up everything. >> I I'm not when I tell you that people sit here all the time and have killed other people. And I believe those people love some of those people. There's no doubt about it. And people push people that you love can push your buttons better than me or him ever could, you know. But she told me that she was going to just to piss me off. not to sit there and listen. >> Mhm. >> That's what I said. [snorts] Just like you got to listen. There's nothing you can do about it. Her eyes big pupils [clears throat] dilated to my her brother's going to kill me. He goes in and out of jail. [snorts] >> Once Warren starts talking, the details keep coming. He remembers the knife, the bedroom, moving Sophie's body, cleaning the house, and hiding the phone. The man who kept saying, "Go remember, is suddenly remembering everything." Now, detectives aren't looking for a confession. They check in whether his story matches the evidence. His memory was meant to protect him, but it becomes the evidence against him. Because sometimes the most dangerous moment is when a suspect finally starts remembering. For more interrogation breakdowns, like, subscribe, and share your thoughts in the comments.