No more lies. >> Just [snorts] so you know, we know everything about Bin. We know everything about Steve. We know everything about Kin. We know everything about you. >> You know, you know that, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, we're going to clean the slate cuz I don't want you to get hemmed up here. On February 15th, 2023, in Frenchtown Township, Monroe County, Michigan, Sierra Nicole Bimis was later brought in for questioning in connection with the death of Kayla Saddowski, who had died as a result of a homicide. Spoiler details are in the video description, and the full results of all charges in the case are laid out at the end of the video. >> So, do you know Kayla Saddowski? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, tell me about Kayla. >> We used to hang out all the time, just chat, and then we stopped hanging out because she started hanging out with a bunch of dudes and I wasn't trying to be involved with all that. >> Okay. Who was she hanging out with? >> People that I didn't know. >> Like whom? >> She was hanging out with a person named Steve. >> Steve Bales. Yes. Okay. Who else could she use to hang out with? >> Person named Timmy. >> Tim >> Booth. >> Tim Booth. Okay. Who else? >> That's all I know. >> That's all you know? >> Yes. >> Did she hang out? So, where did you Did you used to live with Steve? >> Yes. >> Okay. What address? >> 3200 North Monro. >> Okay. What? What apartment? >> March 12th. >> Okay. And when did you live there? >> Couple months ago. >> Couple months ago. How How long did you live there? >> I lived there for a year. >> For a year? >> Yes. >> And you moved out? A couple months ago? >> Yes. >> So, a couple months ago puts us in February. >> Yes. >> So, when in February did you move out? >> The first. >> February 1st you moved out. Okay. because it was like too much trauma and too many people. >> Okay. Who lived there? >> It was him, his girl, his wife. >> Who was his wife? >> Narina Pales. >> So, Steve, Narina, who else lived there? >> Uh, Rose Connor. >> Rose. Who else lived there? >> That's it. >> No one else lived there? >> No. >> Okay. And and again, you're not in trouble, but there's um you know, I just want to make sure we're because there I'm getting uh information that a lot of more people live there. Did other did more people live there than that? >> Before that? >> Who who else used to live there before that? >> Kayla. >> Kayla lived there. >> Yes. >> Okay. When did Kayla live there? >> Over in December. >> In December. When did she leave? >> A little bit after December cuz she got kicked out. She got kicked out. >> Do you remember when? >> January something. >> Who else used to live there? >> That's it. >> Did Britney used to live there? >> Yes. >> Okay. You didn't mention that as So Brend used to live there. >> Okay. And who else used to live there? >> That's it. >> Did Kayn Ramsey live there? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And I just want to be listen I want to make sure because you know I I actually we live there and you said just those people. Now we're getting another list of people. So you're being honest with me, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Did you just forget about those? >> Yeah. >> Okay. No problem. So Bren used to live there. Kayn used to live there. Um Cody did Cody used to live there. >> Cody I don't remember. >> Barn. >> Yeah. >> He used to live there too. Okay. Am I missing anyone? >> No. >> You promise? >> Yes. I promise. >> Okay. So we have Brent. We have Steve, Narina, Rose, Chromemer, Kayla back in December. How long did Kaitlin live there? >> For a couple weeks. >> Couple weeks. Okay. Okay. Bin. >> Yes. >> Kayn and Cody. >> Yes. >> And you said you moved out on February 1st. Are you sure about that date? >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. So, um, you said you used to hang out, but you stopped hanging out with her because she used to hang out with some dudes. And you you reference Steve Bales and Tim Booth. >> Yes. >> Why did it bother you that she hung out with Steve Bales and Tim Booth if you were living with Steve? >> Because he was like controlling. >> He was controlling Booth. Her. >> Okay. Was he controlling you? >> No. So, and I just want to understand he was she was hanging out with Steve. You lived with Steve. But why did you stop hanging out with her? Did he tell her to stop hanging out with you or were you mad at her for hanging out with Steve? >> I was mad at her for hanging out with her. >> Why? >> Because they didn't get along. >> Okay. So, why did that make you mad? If those if if these two don't get along, why did that? And I just want to understand the dynamics and relationships going on there. So if those two aren't getting along, why were you mad at her? And why was she mad? >> There was always drama in the house. >> Okay, that helps me understand that. >> Yes. >> So were you mad at Steve, too? >> Yes. >> Okay. And what was the drama about between those two? >> Because they didn't get along. I guess she was always texting to dudes. >> She was always texting dudes. >> Yes. >> And did that bother Steve? Yeah. >> Were they romantic? >> Yes. >> Okay. So it was that you were upset with both of them because there's just drama in the house all the time. >> Yes. >> Okay, fair enough. Tell me more about Kayla. >> She was a good person. Always had my back. Always there when I needed her. And then till she hung out with Steve and she started to be a [ __ ] to me. >> Oh. What' you do to be a [ __ ] to you? >> Started to be like, "Oh, I don't want to do this with you. I'm going to hang out with T. >> Okay. Was she easy to goong get along with? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Did me and her used to hang out with her little son all the time. >> Um, what was your son's name? >> Ryan. >> Ryan. >> Yes. >> Okay. Do you babysit for at all >> in the past when he was a baby? >> Was he a cute little guy? >> Yes. >> And that's Daniel's son? >> Yes. Okay. Did you have any conflicts with Kayla at all? >> No. >> Not at all. >> Outside of you mentioned that she used to be a [ __ ] to you, but besides that, any conflicts? >> No. >> Okay. Do you remember was there ever any sort of conflict? And I'm not when I'm [clears throat] asking this, understand CC, I'm not accusing you. I'm just I have to get to know this and you know what happened. Was there ever a conflict that you know of at the Mall of Monroe where a bunch of people uh confronted Kayla? >> No, I don't. >> Nothing about that in January at all. Okay. When was the last time you saw Kayla? >> In December. >> In December. >> Yes. >> And when when in December? >> In like the middle of the month. >> And tell me about that. >> We hung out and then I went to my house. And I'm just confused. I just want to make sure I you help me understand this. You guys lived together. >> Yes. >> At Steve's place. >> You moved out. You said February 1st. >> Yes. >> They were never home. >> They were never home. So So from middle of December to the early January, even though you guys lived together, you didn't see her. >> Not once. No. >> Okay. So, last time you saw her was in the middle of December. >> Yes. >> When was the last time you talked to her in any way? On the phone, on Facebook, Messenger, texting, smoke signals, I don't care. When was the last time you saw her or talked to her or communicated with her? >> February 2nd. >> February 2nd. Okay. Tell me about that. She wanted me to hang out with her and I told her no. >> Why? >> Cuz I had stuff to do. >> I was going to hang out with my mom at the time. >> Okay. And did you you you didn't talk to her in any way since February 2nd? >> No. >> Okay. >> And where have you been living in the last few weeks? E course. >> Eourse. >> Yes. >> Okay. With Chad? >> Yes. >> Is it a nice place? >> Yes. >> Nicer than Steve's place? >> Yes. >> Okay. Steve's place. Pretty rough. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What was the worst part about Steve's place? >> Having to sleep in the living room with everybody. Okay. >> I had my own privacy. >> Okay. And why did you leave Steve's apartment? >> Because it just got too crowded with everybody in there. >> Who was the worst person there? It was him and Caleb. >> Those were the two worst people to hang out with. What was so bad about hanging out with Steve? >> Because he was like too controlling. >> What would you do to be controlling? >> Always use my food card and take every money I had. >> Take your money? >> Yes. >> And was that as a form of rent or another reason? >> Any other reason he wanted to work? >> Okay. And what about Kaitlin? What was so bad about Kaitlin? And we're talking about Kaylin Ramsey, right? >> Yes. >> What was so bad about Kaitlin? >> She was being a [ __ ] every day. Always mad about some stupid stuff. >> Like what? >> Because Steve and Kaye used to talk and then her and Kayla didn't get along. >> So Kayn and Kayla didn't get along? >> Yes. >> Why not? >> Because they was already fighting over Steve. So, were Kayn and Steve, were they romantically involved? >> Yes. >> Okay. And Kayla and Ka uh Steve were romantically involved. >> Yes. >> And so Kayn, you're saying, don't I don't want to put words in your mouth, was jealous of Kayla? >> Yes. >> Okay. And how do you know that? >> Because I heard him talking about it all the time. >> Heard who talk about it? >> Kaylin. She was on the phone talking about it. >> With whom? >> I do not know. >> And what specifically did she say? that she didn't like Kayla. She wanted to fight her and all kind of stuff. >> Okay. Do you know how Kayla felt about Kayn? >> No. >> And did she say why she wanted to fight her or why she didn't like her? >> Cuz she was jealous that she was always around Steve's ass. >> Around Steve's what? >> Steve's butt. >> Oh, Steve. Okay. I didn't hear that. That's fine. I'm not worried about You can swear. I'm just saying. What about Narina? What was her take on Kayn or Kayn's take on Narina? >> She didn't really care. >> Who didn't care? >> Narina. >> Narina didn't care about Kayn No. >> being romantically involved. Did she care about Kayla being romantically involved? >> No. >> She didn't care. >> No. >> Did Kayn care about Narina? >> No. >> So, where why why the difference there? Why was she so upset with Kayla but not Marina? >> Because her and Kayla always got in fights. >> Kayn and Kayla always got in fights. Okay. All right. Did you ever witness any of those fights? >> No. >> Now then how do you know? >> Because I heard them in the bedroom always arguing. >> You heard who in the bedroom arguing? >> Kayla and Male. >> They'd be in the bedroom arguing with each other. >> Yes. >> And what would they So that that's kind of witnessing it. I mean that's you know you're hearing it, right? So what were they arguing about though? Steve, >> like, can you think of specifically what was said? >> Like, oh, why you up his ass more than I am? Stuff like that. >> And who said that? >> Caitlyn and Caleb. >> Who said, "Why are you up his ass more than I am?" Kaylin said that. >> Okay. Anything else you can remember about their relationship between Kayn and Kayla? >> No. But it wasn't a good one. >> No. >> Did they ever get along? >> Never once. >> They did in the beginning. >> When was that? >> When they first met. >> And when when did they first meet? >> I think she said she met Kayyn a couple years ago. >> Okay. >> It was like her mother. >> The It was like the what? >> Her mother. That's what she said. >> Who was like her mother? >> Kayn. >> Kayn was Kayla's mother. Yeah. Like a motherly figure. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But as soon as they both started showing interest in Steve, things went south. >> Yes. >> Okay. Were you ever romantically involved with Steve? >> No. >> No. Okay. Um, so you didn't care one or the other. Steve can be with whomever he wants, right? >> He was like my dad. >> He's like your dad. Okay. All right. [clears throat] So, excuse me. Now, I'm going to ask this next question. This is where things might get a little bit hard for you, but this is where we need you to be 100% honest. when I said earlier, I don't want you to get yourself jammed up by a lie. Does that make sense? >> Okay. So, I want you to tell me everything you can about Kayla Saddowski's death. And that's not an accusation on you, but I want I want to know what you know. >> Is that fair? >> Yes. >> So, you tell me everything you can. >> I heard about it on Facebook people saying she was like wrapped up in a building. >> Okay. That's it. >> That's it. >> That's all you heard? >> Yes. >> Was because I was getting accused on a Facebook post. >> Okay. All right. So, you can't tell me anything else about Kayla's death? >> No. >> Okay. Um, can you can you tell me who planned her death? >> I think it was Kaitlin. >> You think it was Kayla? Why? Well, why do you say that? >> Because her and Kayla didn't get along. And then I guess Kayyn, somebody said Kayyn did something. She was investigated and I guess she said there was a white man in there and everything. >> There was a what? A white van? >> What are you talking about with the white man? >> She said I guess somebody said that she was involved and she said there was a white man at the place with her. >> Yeah. But who where did you get this white man from? It was over on Facebook. >> Okay. >> Okay. Did you have any phone numbers for Kayla? >> No. >> Do you have any phone numbers for Kayn? >> No. >> None? >> No. >> You never talked to her or called her? You don't have anything in your phone? >> Okay. Tell me about your relationship with Steve Bales. He was a good father. Kind of. Didn't really get along. >> Good father kind of. What didn't you get along with him for? >> Because he always wanted to take my money and use my food stamps. >> Did you let him? >> I gave him my card and he never gave it back. >> Why did you give him your card? >> Because he said I could be for rent. >> You could what? >> Be for rent. >> For rent. Okay. And when you say food stamps, you're talking about bridge cuts, right? Okay. >> Okay. Was there anything good about Steve? >> No. >> No. Because uh you described as a good father, so there was nothing good about him. >> No, not really. >> Okay. Do you think he used you? >> Yes. >> Okay. And what other bad thing or if any I'm not trying to put an idea in your head, but what other bad things, if any, did he do to you? >> Nothing. >> Nothing. Okay. So, you lived there in a little apartment and he took your money and your food stamps. >> Where did you get your money from? >> From down the street. >> On the street. >> Selling stuff. >> Like what? >> Like electronic stuff. >> Okay. So, you'd sell stuff. Were you selling it for Steve or were you selling it for yourself to make money and he took the money? >> For myself and he took it. >> Okay. And was he saying that was for rent also? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, tell me about your relationship with Bin Smith. >> Uh, he was my ex-boyfriend. He was always controlling towards me, not letting me do anything. >> Okay. So, he was controlling, wouldn't let you do anything. Well, tell me about that. >> Like I hang out with my mom, my family. >> How would he stop you? >> He would always make me stay in my house. >> How? always have the door, sir. >> Okay. And you know, just so we understand, like for example, that door, you know, you're free to leave it anytime, right? >> Anytime you want, you're done. You walk out, right? Yes. >> So there's the door. You could go open that door and walk out anytime you want. >> So if there's a door there, that shelf, why couldn't you walk out? >> Cuz he sit by and hell and shut it. >> So speed. So So Brenn would prevent you from leaving. >> Okay. Now, you described him as your ex. He's your ex-boyfriend. And when did you date? >> In December. >> In December. >> Yes. >> Okay. And tell me about that dating relationship. >> It was bad. >> Bad. >> Yes. >> Because of the controlling issues or other things? >> The controlling issues. >> Did you guys ever have sexual intercourse? >> No. >> Never had. No. >> Do you ever kiss them? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, you kissed them. Did you ever hold hands? >> Yes. >> Hugged them? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, but you uh date in December from what to what? Like what dates? >> December 9th to January 5th. >> And why did you guys break up? >> Because he got with someone else. >> He what? >> He decided to go with someone else. >> He And who did he go with? >> I'm not for sure. >> So, did he break up with you? >> I broke up with him cuz he got too controlling. >> Okay. But then you guys continued to live there together. >> Yes. >> Was that awkward? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Tell me about your relationship with Kayn Ramsay. >> It was good. >> It was good. >> All right. Tell me about it. >> She was like a mom figure to me. >> Now, and I just want to be clear cuz I thought before you said she was [ __ ] >> She was [ __ ] towards people at certain times. >> But she was a mother figure towards you. >> Yes. >> She make uh breakfast and stuff for you? >> Yes. >> Okay. What else can you talk about, Kayla? >> Um, we would always talk when I was upset. >> Tell me about your relationship in the arena. >> We're like we've been sisters for like years since 2017. >> What do you mean your sisters? like best friends and sisters. >> Really close. Are you still close? >> No. >> Why not? >> Because after I seen the uh Facebook post about Kayla's death, I stopped talking to her. >> Why? >> Because he's with Steve and I didn't want to be involved cuz I had people messaging me from back to back. >> Well, you didn't tell me about Steve being involved. Was Steve involved? >> That's what I heard on Facebook. >> Who'd you hear that from on Facebook? It was on the Facebook post. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> Tell me about Kayla's relationship with Steve Bales. I know we talked about that, you said, but tell me a little more about that. >> They was always fighting and arguing. >> Who were they fighting about? >> About the dude she was texting. >> About the what >> dudes? She was always texting. >> And who was she texting? >> Punk and some other people. Who? >> I'm not for sure. I never want out of home. >> Tell me about Kayla's relationship with Bren Smith. >> It was kind of weird. >> How? >> They were always up each other's ass. >> I don't know what that means. >> Like always connected with each other. >> Like dating. Not dating. >> Not dating. >> But what does up each other's ass mean? >> Like following each other around the house. Were they romantically involved? >> I feel like they were just going to be new. >> Okay. And when were they following each other around? >> In December. >> In December. Around the time he was dating you. >> Yes. >> Okay. And tell me about Kayla's relationship with Narina. >> They didn't really get along. >> Why not? >> Pardon me? >> They didn't really get along cuz of Steve. Okay. Why not? >> Because they was always fighting over Steve. >> Was were they jealous of each other? >> Yes. >> Cuz they both want to be with Steve. >> Yeah. >> And when was the last time you talked to Bren Smith? >> 20 months ago. >> When was that? >> In January. >> In January is the last time. >> Yes. >> Okay. And was that uh when you broke up with him? >> Yes. >> So you lived there um together, but you just didn't talk to him? >> Yes. >> Okay. That was the last time you talked to him. >> Yes. >> Okay. Tell me about the trip to Myrtle Beach. >> It was okay. >> When was that trip? >> In April. >> In April. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, and I just want to be sure. I I have reason to believe based on records, phone records, things like that that that was actually in February. Can you tell me about that? >> It was in April. >> Okay. It was in April. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Tell me about that trip. >> It was good. >> Okay. >> Who'd you go with? >> I went with Steve and Darren. Can you put a photograph? Can you tell me about that picture? >> Yes. >> Tell me about that picture. >> It was okay. >> It was okay. When was uh that picture taken? >> At the trip. >> On the trip. And what was the date of that trip? >> Uh February 18th. >> I don't remember exactly when the day was when we went. Okay. >> Cuz I had a bad time memory. >> You have what? >> Bad time memory. Bad time memory >> like memory loss. >> Okay. All right. Um, why didn't you go on the most recent honeymoon? >> Because they left me painted in mineral. >> They left you what? >> Painted in mineral. >> Did you want to go with them? >> No. >> Cuz you went with them in in this past February, right? >> [snorts] >> So, and I'm just curious cuz you had said earlier that you're a 10 as far as your honesty. >> Yes. >> But that wasn't being truthful, right? >> So, why why were you not being truthful about that? >> Cuz I don't remember the day it was. >> Well, there's a big difference between a month ago and a year ago. Would you agree with that? >> Yes. >> So, and I'm just want to understand why why were you not being truthful about that? >> Cuz I don't like it. Okay. >> You want to bring his name up >> because you don't like him and you want to bring his name up. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, can we clean the slate here and start again? >> Yes. >> Do I have your word? You're going to be 100% honest? >> Yes. >> I have your word? >> Yes. >> Okay. No more lies. >> No. >> Just [snorts] so you know, we know everything about Brin. We know everything about Steve. We know everything about Kin. We know everything about you. You know, you know that, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, we're going to clean the slate because I don't want you to get hemmed up here. >> Okay. >> Promise? >> Yes. >> Okay. I'm going to have you read something here. Can you read that out loud for me? >> Every person confirmed in communication of >> Do you want me to read it? >> Yes. >> Okay. It says, "Every person concerned in the commission of an offense, whether directly commits the act, whether he directly commits the act constituting the offense or procures, councils, aids, or bets in its commission, may hereafter be prosecuted, indicted, tried or on and on conviction shall be punished as if he directly committed such offense." Do you know what that means? >> So that means let's say we know someone killed Caleb, >> right? Let's say um my partner here was at the scene. He didn't kill Kayla, but he helped to hide her body. Is he involved in a commission of the crime? >> This says he can be prosecuted as if he uh as if he had directly committed such an offense. So let's say just for sake of argument what happened to Kayla is going to get someone life in prison just for the sake of argument and he helped hide their body. He helped them get away with it. What is he going to get? >> What is he going to get? >> Yeah. I just said let's for the sake of argument assume that Kayla's death what the all the planning and everything involved in Kayla's death gets the people that that killed her life in prison. He didn't kill her but he hid her body. And this says he will be punished as if he directly committed the crime. What is he going to get? >> Which is what punishment? >> Jail time. >> What is the jail time? >> Punishment. >> Okay. If the commission of the crime killing Kayla and everything involved gets someone life in prison, he helped to hide her body. So, he helped commit the crime even though he didn't kill her. What is he going to get? >> Okay, the crime is life in prison. Okay, that's your answer. I'm just letting you know. Okay, the crime is life in prison. My partner here didn't directly kill her, but he helped them get away with the crime by hiding the body. Let's just say what is his punishment? >> Prison death. >> How much? >> Life. >> Life in prison, right? Even though he didn't do it. Now, let's assume, and I I I I just want to warn you ahead of time. Someone were to come in here and not be honest, thereby assisting them in getting away with the crime. Are you assisting them? >> No. If you're if someone and not say you, we'll say someone else. If someone comes in here and lies to assist them and get away with the crime, are you assisting them? >> Yes. >> Look at this right here. AIDS or bets punished as if he had directly committed the crime. This is what I'm saying to you. You have to be really, really, really careful right now. >> Do you understand that? >> Yes. >> Because I know, Sierra, there's no doubt that you know more than what you're saying. I know you know. We've been following everything. Do not get yourself sucked into this cuz all these people that you want to protect you, where do you think they're going to be in 6 months? >> Do you want to be there? >> No. >> Are we going to clean the slate? >> Yes. Sierra, this is your chance. I want you to tell me everything you know about Kayla Saddowski's death. I don't want to hear this garbage that well I read it on Facebook because that's a lie. You may have read it on Facebook but you know you know more. You know how I know that? Cuz I know you were living there with them when they were planning it. I'm not accusing you. But don't get sucked into this for people that won't be there for you for people that treated you like garbage. Right? Steve was a bad person to you. He stole your money. Bin was a bad guy who was cheating on you. Don't do it. You're a beautiful young woman with a life ahead of you right now where you're going to have a beautiful child someday and an awesome guy to help you raise that child. Don't throw it up. Throw it all away for these clowns. Okay. Can we start again? Okay. Cleaning the slate. You tell me everything you know about Kayla Saddaski's death. >> I know Kayen killed her. >> Tell me more. >> She took her to the building with Steve and Brian. >> Pardon me. >> Took her to the building with Steve and Brian. >> Kaylin took her. >> Yes. >> How do you know that? >> Because Steve went with her. Tell me more. >> I know. >> Pardon me. >> That's what I know. >> No, it's not. Don't. Sierra, don't do this. We've talked to your best friend. We've talked to a lot of people. Okay. There's a lot of planning that went into this. Tell me what you know about this. I'm not telling you to make something up if you don't, but I know you know something. >> Kaylin and she plotted the death. >> Tell me about that. >> I don't know how they plotted it. That they plotted it and try to get me involved. >> Okay, tell me about that. I I want to know everything because try to get me involved is really vague. It's not really clear. I want to know. I want to understand everything that they tried to do. Everything that they plotted. So Kayn and Steve were plotting this death. Tell me about this. >> Steve and Brian all went to the building. >> All went to the building. >> Yes. >> Okay. Did anyone else go to the building? >> No. >> Are you sure? >> Who else went to the building? >> Okay. So, you were there. Okay. Tell me about that. I was sitting in the car. >> Okay. You were sitting in the car. Let's let's back up from start from the start here. >> Okay. Tell me about the planning of this. >> They had Brian go get her and bring her take her to the building. >> Okay. So, what did Brian drive to go get her? >> The black car that they got. >> What? What? describe that black car for me. >> So, we got an SUV. >> SUV. So, what kind of cars does uh does Steve have? He has uh a black SUV. Is that correct? And then what about the black? Doesn't he have a black car, too? >> Okay. Which one did Bin take to drive? Was it the black car or the black SUV? >> You Okay. So, Binn went and picked up Kayla. Where did he pick her up? >> Over by some kind of bridge. her mom. >> Okay. By a bridge. Do you know what bridge he picked her up at? >> No. >> Okay. Tell me more. Then what? Then when Binn was picking her up, what were um Steve and Kayn doing? >> They were to kill her. >> Okay. What were they Were you there when they were plotting her death? >> Okay. What were they saying? They were saying, "Oh, Kaitlin, you could take the gun and show her a lot of hard work." >> And And who said that? >> Steve. >> Okay. And where was this going on at? >> Place. >> What? What place? >> The building. >> So this was going on. Where were you uh at? And were you in the building, outside the building, in the parking lot? In the car, or something else? >> Or were you standing outside the car or in the car? >> In the car. >> What car were you in? the car in the SUV. >> So, you were in the SUV? >> Yes. >> What was Brenn driving? >> The SUV. >> Okay. You said Binn went to go pick up Kayla? >> Yes. He came and got me from the apartment. >> Okay. Was Kayla in the car when he got pick you up? >> No. >> Were you with him when he went to go pick up Kayla? >> No. He came and picked me up after he picked up Kayla. >> Where was Kayla at when he picked you up? >> She lived at that place. the place. >> Okay. I'm just I I I'm I'm a little bit confused right now. You said that that Bren went to pick up Kayla >> by a bridge. Was that the bridge on Rosler? >> Yes. >> Okay. Were you with him when he picked her up? >> No. >> So he picked her up and took her where? >> To the building. >> When did he pick you up? >> After he picked up Kayla. after he dropped her off. >> Yes. >> Where were you? Where were they plotting to kill her? >> When I killed him. >> You said you were there. Where was Where was Kayla when during that time? >> They picked her up and killed her in the building. >> Okay, let's back up here though because I just want to understand here. Okay, I want to make sure we're we completely understand. Binn picks up Kayla. He takes her to the building. At some point, there's plotting going on. They're not going to plot to kill her as far as I know when she's standing there. Correct. >> Yes. >> So, did you go with Brenn or did you go with Steve and Nar and Kayyn? >> Kaitlin. >> Okay. And you you said earlier you were in the Dodge the SUV. >> Yes. >> So, you didn't go with Brenda. Pick her up. You went with Stephen Kay and I don't want to put any words in your mouth. I want to make sure I understand this. Is that what happened? >> Yes. >> So, was Narina there? >> No. >> Where was Narina? >> At the apartment. >> So, how did you get from the apartment to We're talking Boysville, correct? >> Yes. >> How did you get there? >> Nina [clears throat] K and Steve >> in the black Dodge SUV. Yes. >> What did Brim drive to pick her up? >> SUV. >> Well, how did you both be How were you both in the SUV? >> We all got dropped off. >> They dropped you off? >> Yes. >> And And I just want to be clear, is it possible Brenn was driving the other car? >> He could have been. >> You're not sure. >> Not sure. >> So, you said you were in the parking lot. Was there a car around when you were in the parking lot? >> No. So someone dropped you off there? >> Yes. >> So did Brin drive to drop you all off? >> Yes. >> So you all left from where? >> And Brinn drove and correct me if I say anything wrong. You, Steve, and Kaylin. Was Narina there? >> No. >> So Brenn drove you and dropped you off in the parking lot. >> Yes. >> And then he went to pick up Kayla. Kayla, is that correct? >> And where did he go pick her up? >> At the Rosler Bridge. >> At the Rosler Bridge. Okay. [snorts] What? Tell me about what they were talking about. What Steve and Kaitlin were talking about in the parking lot of Boyville. >> They were talking about having Steve stand right here and then Kayn stand right here and then shoot her in like the side of her head. >> Okay. And where were they going to do this? at the building. >> Inside or outside the building? >> Inside. >> Okay. So, what were uh what was the reason for wanting to kill her? >> Okay. And what did they what what were you saying when they were talking about killing her? >> I just said I wanted to leave. >> So, you wanted to leave. Okay. So, when they Tell me what happened next. >> After that, they went inside the building and I decided on the car. You stayed in the car? >> Yes. >> Okay. Were Were you inside when they killed her? >> No. >> You weren't? >> Okay. Did you see Well, I don't understand cuz you said there was no car there. >> So, did you see Kayla arrive with Brim? >> Yes. >> And where did they go in? >> Where though? Like there's a big building there. Where where did they go in? in the gym. >> In the gym area. Okay. Were when Brenn came back with Kayla? Where were Steve and Caleb? >> They were already inside. >> Yes. >> Okay. And where were you? >> Well, did they see you when they pulled up? >> No. >> Where were you? >> By the tree. >> By by what tree? tree was right. >> Could they see you? >> No. >> Did you see Brin? Did you see Kayla when she got out of the car? >> Yes. >> Oh, and you saw Brin? Yes. >> Was anyone else in the car? >> Where did they go from there? >> Into the building. >> Into the building. >> Yes. >> Okay. And where did you go? >> I stayed outside in the car. >> So, as soon as they went in, you got in the car. Okay. And what happened next? They decide to go to talk to a little bit of a gunshot. >> You heard gunshots? >> Okay. How many gunshot did you hear? One or more than one? >> You heard two? >> Okay. And so you heard two gunshots. Were you you could hear that inside the car? >> Yes. >> Okay. And what did you think when you heard the gunshots? >> I started freaking out because it just gave me when my mom got shot. Say that again. >> I freaked out and I just wanted to leave. >> Okay. You mentioned your mom about you. >> Yes. >> What? What about your mom? >> It just made me freak out because my mom got shot. >> Your your mom got shot. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, you heard two gunshots. You're what? Where were you sitting in the Dodge or in the SUV? The car. >> You were sitting in the back of the car. So, you heard two gunshots. What time was it? What What day was this on? [snorts] >> I don't remember. >> Was it in um early February, midFebruary, end of February, something else? >> Something like that. Was it in February? >> Yes. >> What time was it at about >> night time? Nighttime. So, you heard two gunshots. It was at night time. Um and where what happened next? We all left. >> Okay. Well, tell me about what happened when I mean, you hear two gunshots. How long were you in the car alone before you see the rest of them again? >> 10 minutes. >> 10 minutes. So, you heard two gunshots and you sat in the car for 10 minutes alone? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, then what happened? >> Then they came out and we all left it with them. >> Okay. Okay. What was said in the car when they all came out? >> That she's finally dead. >> Who said that? >> Steve. >> Steve and Kaitlin. >> They told me how they killed her. >> Okay. And what did they tell you? >> They said they were talking to her and Kaitlin just shot her in the back of her head. >> Kaylin shot her in the back of the head. >> Yes. >> Okay. And who was talking to her? >> Steve. >> Okay. So, they were talking to her and Kayn shot her in the back of the head. There's some Kleenex there if he needs some. Okay. So, Kayn shot her in the back of the head. And who was saying this on the way back home? >> Steve. >> Steve said this. And what was Kayn saying? >> She was just laughing about it. >> Okay. And what was Brenn saying? >> Nothing. You just stay quiet. >> Who was sitting where in the car? I was sitting in the back. >> Who else was in the back? >> Brenn. >> Brenn was in the back. Who was driving? >> By him, you mean >> Brenn? >> You just said he was sitting in the back. >> When we left. >> Okay. Who was driving when you left? >> Brenn. >> So Brenn was driving. [clears throat] >> Yes. >> Who was in the front seat? Passenger. >> Passenger. So was Steve in the back seat with you? >> Yes. >> Okay. And so, um, Kayn was laughing about it. >> Yes. >> Okay. And where did you go immediately after, um, immediately after going or leaving Boyville? >> To the apartment. >> To the apartment? >> Yes. >> Who was home when you got there? >> Just me. >> Just you. And And then what happened after that? >> I saw everybody was gone and then I went to go hang out with my mom and I came back to the apartment. It was destroyed. Well, let's back up here. What do you mean you saw everybody was gone? I don't understand. >> Everybody just like left. >> Where did you go lay down? You said >> yes. >> And when you got back up, everyone was gone. By everyone, you mean Steve, Brenn, and Kaylin? >> Yes. >> Where were uh Rosetta and Cody at that point? >> They were at the hospital charging their phones. >> They're at the hospital charging their phones. >> Were they involved in this at all? >> No. >> Okay. And what happened after you you got up and uh realized everyone was gone? >> I called my brother and said I wanted to hang out. So I hung out with him and then he dug me off and I went to go hang out with my friend, my ex-boyfriend. We was sleeping on the streets for a couple days and then I decided I had nowhere to go. So I went to my brother's. >> Okay. Did you tell anyone about this? >> No. >> Why not? because that's kind of messed up. >> Okay. Did you want Kayla to die? >> No. >> Okay. So, when was So, that we're talking, you know, what time did you get back to the apartment after they shot her? >> Around like 1 in the morning. >> 1 in the morning. Okay. And they left >> the next day. >> Pardon me. >> They left the next day. >> They left the next day. Yes. >> Okay. And by they whose day they >> Brian, Steve, and Arena. >> Okay. What about you? When did you go to Myrtle Beach? >> After the whole thing. >> After they they killed her. So, did you leave with him the next day? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, you left with him the next day. So, it was you, Brian, or Bren, Steve, Narina, the five of you? Is that correct? >> Okay. Did you make any Facebook posts about Steve not being guilty or Steve being in Myrtle Beach during the time? You never made any Facebook posts like that? >> No. >> Okay. How long were you in Myrtle Beach? >> What was the conversation like whenever you were on the way down? You know, what were you were you guys talking about the killing her? >> No. >> Were you what? Did Steve say anything about not saying anything or was Steve saying anything about anything? >> He just said, "Don't tell anybody. He said to you or to everyone. Okay. All right. So, let me go back here a little bit because I want to understand um how did Bin what did Binn tell or was there a plan that you know of? What did Brenn tell Kayla to get her to go inside the um boys? >> That he wanted to talk to her. So he convinced her to go inside boys because he wanted to talk to her. >> Yes. >> Why did Brim dead? >> Because of Steve. >> What do you mean? >> Because Steve told her told him we should kill her. >> Okay. So he was kind of doing it on behalf of Steve. >> Yes. >> Okay. And so he told her he wanted to talk to her and the best place would be inside of the boys. Do you remember where you got dropped off? Like where? Um in the building. So this is Boysville. That's the gym there. >> Yes. >> So if this is the gym, right? >> Do you remember where they parked you? They dropped you off at >> like on the side of the building. >> Which side though? >> By the back. >> Can you point to it? >> By the kitchen. >> Can you point to it? If this is the gym here, where do they drop you off at? >> Over here. >> Well, this is Ne Road here. >> Like over here. >> Do you not do you have a number? >> No, I don't. >> Okay. All right. Um, so tell me more about what Steve and Steve and Kayyn were talking about. When Binn dropped you guys off to go pick up Kayla, what were they talking about? >> How they were going to kill her? >> And what specifically did they say? >> They said, "Well, we can convince her to come in here to act like to act like I'm going to talk to her and have Kaylin show her ride." >> And that was Brenn saying that? >> Yes. >> Or Steve? I don't want to put words in your mouth. I want to understand this. So, was that Kayla? Was that Steve or uh Brinn saying that? >> Steve. >> Okay. But he was going to be inside when they when Brinn got there. >> Yes. >> Okay. [snorts] So, and you said you heard gunshots. >> Yes. >> Where did they get the gun from? >> From Alex. >> From Alex. Who? >> They got the gun from him? >> Yes. >> Okay. And how do [snorts] you know this? >> Because he told me about it. What did Alex say to you? >> Nothing. >> No, I'm saying Well, he told you about it. What did What do you mean he What did he tell you? >> He said that he was kind of freaked out about the music. >> Did he know they were going to kill her? >> No. >> Well, why would he be freaked out? And again, remember, we got to be a 10 here, >> right? >> Yes. >> So, did he know they were going to use it? No, >> cuz they never told him anything. >> What did they What did he tell you then about that he was freaked out about? >> He was saying, "Well, if you guys do anything, don't do anything stupid with it." >> Why did he loan it to him in the first place? >> Because we had people at the apartments like surrounding us and I guess Steve dig in a room with people and he had people after. >> Where is that done now? >> I don't know. What did they do as a Did you guys pull off anywhere and do anything with the gun? They took off and did something with >> Well, doesn't Alex want his gun back? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Again, cuz we we're going to be able to find all this out and test this through a polygraph and everything else. Did Alex know that he they were going to use it to kill Cayla? Yes or no? >> No. And you pass a polygraph on that. >> Yes. >> Again, I don't want any details I don't want any details being left out right now. Did Alex know that he was they were going to use it to kill Kayla? Did they tell him? >> Yes. >> Okay. When did they tell him that? >> Couple of days before. >> Okay. And where did Alex get the gun at? >> From him. >> No. Where did Alex get the gun? from Steve cuz Steve sold it to him. >> Oh, so Steve sold it to him and then he loaned it back to Steve. Did Steve give him any money? Did he buy the gun back? >> No. >> And when did they tell Alex that they were going to kill Kayla? >> Not for sure. I don't remember the day. >> Was there any talk at the wedding about killing Kayla? >> No. >> That you don't remember hearing any talk at the wedding? >> No. Okay. Then how do you how do you know that they talked to Alex about killing Kayla? >> Cuz it was over the phone. >> I don't know what that means. >> Like calling talking to each other. [snorts] >> How do you know that they told Alex about Kayla? >> They were talking over the phone about it. >> Who's they? >> Steve and Alex. >> And did you hear this conversation? >> Yes. >> And what was the conversation about? Who whose end were you on? Were you listening to Steve's end or were you listening to Alex's end? >> What was he saying? >> He was telling him that he was going to kill her. And I said, "Don't do it. I don't want nobody on my gun." >> You said, "Don't do it. I don't want what?" >> He said, "Don't do it. I don't want nothing on my gun." >> I don't want nothing on my gun. But he did. He still gave him the gun, though. >> Yes. >> And when was that conversation? >> Couple days before. Couple days before? >> Yes. >> Okay. What else was said during that conversation? >> I'm not for sure. I don't listen until I talk. >> Was this was Steve and you were you guys in the apartment at the time? >> Yes. >> And how did you know that he was talking to Alex? >> Cuz we were all in the same room. >> You were all in the same room? >> Yes. >> So it wasn't on the phone? >> No. >> Okay. So, a couple days before we're in the apartment, you and Steve and Alex was in the room. Who else was in the room? >> Kaylin. Was Bren in the room? >> Okay. And they were talking about uh Steve was talking about killing Kayn or Kayla. [snorts] Is that correct? >> Okay. And did they ask Alex for his gun? >> Yes. >> And what did Alex say? He said yes. >> Okay. What was the comment you said earlier about he doesn't want his gun involved in this or something? >> He didn't want no like body thing on it. >> What do you mean? >> Body gutters. >> Buddy what? >> Body gutters. >> What are body cutters? >> Gut like >> guts. >> Yes. >> Okay. And what did they say to him? >> He said they they told him that there wasn't any on there. >> Well, they hadn't done it yet, right? >> Yes. So, what do you mean? They told him is this conversation took place before or after? >> After. >> Okay. Did they give Alex's gun back? >> Yes. >> Does Alex still have that gun? >> I don't know. >> Okay. So, they gave Alex's gun back. >> And when was that? >> Not sure. >> Okay. So, you left for When did you leave for World Beach? The next day. >> Couple days after. Couple days after. Did Alex come over the next morning and that's when they gave him the back gun back? When did they give him the gun back? >> I think it was like a day after. >> Did Alex know before he gave them the gun that they were going to kill her? >> Yes. >> And how how do you know about that? >> Because the building >> because of what? >> You were they were talking to him before? >> Yes. And then you're saying the day after Alex came and picked the gun up. >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. And is that when they told he said he didn't want any guts uh body guts on the the uh gun? >> Yes. >> And who told him there was no body guts? >> Steve. >> And did you witness Steve give the gun back to him? >> Yes. >> You saw him hand it to him? >> Yes. >> What did the gun look like? It was black. >> Black? >> Yes. >> What else? >> So, it was black. >> Okay. Any anything else about the gun? >> Who else was there when he gave the gun back? >> Kaylin? >> Yes. >> Was Brim there? >> Yes. >> Okay. [snorts] Do you remember when he gave the gun back to him? >> The day after. >> The day after. What time? >> Afternoon. >> The afternoon. Okay. >> Okay. Anything else you can tell me about this the death of Kayla? >> No. >> Were you involved in the planning? >> No. >> No. Would you pass a polygraph about that? >> So, you were about not involved at all? >> No. >> Why did you go with them to the to the to Boyceville? >> Cuz he forced me to go. >> Who's he? >> And how did he force you to go? >> I get in the car. Okay. All right. So, let me just run over this sometime in February at night and and what I'm going to just kind of run over what you told me and I want to make sure if I say anything wrong, I want you to correct me. Is that clear? Okay. Binn drove you, Steve, and Kaylin to Boy'sville. Yes. >> And dropped you off. >> Yes. >> And then he went and picked up Kayla at the Rosler's teeth branch. >> Yes. >> Okay. And you think he was in the Dodge Journey? Are you sure he was in the Dodge Journey? >> I think. >> You think but you're not sure? Or you >> sure? >> You're not sure. >> But [snorts] he was in the Dodge Journey when he dropped you off. >> Yes. >> Okay. the while you were waiting, you were standing outside and Steve and Kayn were talking about how they're going to kill Kayla. >> And they were going to talk to her inside and then Kaya was going to shoot her. >> Okay. When Brenn showed up, you were behind a tree. >> Yes. >> You saw Kayla get out and you saw them go inside. >> Yes. >> You then sat back in the dodge journey. You heard two gunshots. You were freaking out. You then saw Binn, Steve, and Kayn get back into the car. >> Binn was driving. Steve was in the back seat with you. Kayn was in the front seat, and they were talking about how they had killed her, and Kayyn said she shot her. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. And she was laughing about it. >> Yes. >> They took you home. You lied down. When you got up about 1:00 in the morning, they were gone. >> Yes. >> By they, I mean Binn, Steve, and Kayn. >> A couple days before, Alex Becko was talking to Steve and Brin, and Kayn. And you were there about killing Kayla, and Alex uh gave loaned him his 22 that he had previously purchased from Steve. >> Yes. >> I'm sorry. His his handgun. Is that correct? Okay. So, the day after, Alex went and picked up his handgun and he was concerned that there would be body guts on there and Steve told him there were none. >> And you saw Steve give the handgun back to him. >> And the only thing you can describe it as a black gun. Yes. >> That's all you know? >> Yes. >> Is there a brand or anything you know? >> I know for sure. >> Okay. Um, and then is there any then the next day or a couple days after they shot her, you all went to Myrtle Beach? >> Yes. >> How long were you at Myrtle Beach? >> For a week. >> For a week. >> Yes. >> And then you came back and then what happened? >> Then they said they're going on vacation for their honeymoon and they never came back. >> Why did they go on vacation for their honeymoon? >> Because I don't think they wanted to get any call. Was there a specific time that they decided to go on vacation for their honeymoon? Was Did something happen? >> Yes. >> What? >> After they killed her. They went on their honeymoon. >> Well, you said after they killed her, you went to Myrtle Beach. >> Then you came home. >> Then we came back. >> What? >> Why did they leave again? >> Because they didn't want they caught up. >> They what? >> They didn't want to get caught. >> Was there an event that led them to leave the second time? >> Yes. >> What? The shooting. >> Well, the shooting happened before you went to Myrtle Beach. Then they came back. Was there something that happened when they came back that say, "Well, we're going to leave again." >> No, they just don't want to be in the room because they want they don't want any coffee. >> Okay. And is everything that you've told me everything the truth? >> Yes. >> If I set you up for a polygraph, everything you told me will show that it's the truth. Correct. >> Yes. >> Is there anything you'd like to change? Because now is your chance to change. If there's anything at all, I won't hold it against you. You tell me. Now. >> No. >> Were um you involved in the planning of killing Kayla uh at all? >> No. >> Not even a little bit. >> No. >> Is there a reason you didn't or maybe you did? Did you ever say, "Hey guys, this is really stupid. Let's not do this." >> Yes. >> You said that specifically. What did you say? >> I said this is not going to be a good idea. When did you say that? >> Before the shooting. >> Like when before the shooting though. >> Before they went in the building. >> Before they went what? >> In the building. >> So when you were standing in the parking lot, you you told them this is not going to be a good idea. >> And what did they say? >> They said they didn't care. They wanted >> Okay. Do you have questions? >> You never once went inside boy? >> No. So there's no reason that your shoes would there would be any imprints or any evidence of you being inside? >> Have you ever been there before? >> No. >> Was Nina [clears throat] present when Alex came back to the apartment to get his gun? >> Yes. >> And did Alex actually bring the gun to Steve prior or did Steve go pick it up? >> He brought it to him. So you guys were all at the apartment when Alex came over physically with the gun, gave it to Steve, and then eventually came back and then Steve gave him back the gun. >> And you said Alex is one of your best friends. Would you talk to him >> about everything? So you've had zero conversations with him since? >> Yes, he didn't want me to talk to him. >> What's that? >> He said he don't want me to talk to him because of Steve. >> Alex doesn't want you to talk to him because of Steve. Why? >> Is he like afraid of Steve or >> your phone records aren't going to show that you called Alex since then? >> No, >> not at all. >> Okay. >> All right. And there's no reason your DNA will be found inside of inside the building. >> Okay. >> Do you know how they left >> uh her or where they left her? >> No, I don't. You have no idea. >> No, cuz I see it on the car. >> Okay. Okay. Anything else? Was both cars working? There was the uh I think that you guys referred to him as like Reaper 1 and Reaper 2. >> Yes. >> So, were there they were both drivable? >> Yes. >> But you're saying that you got to boy in the Dodge Journey. Is that Reaper one or is that Reaper 2? >> Reaper one. >> Okay. Reaper 2 is the uh the car. >> Yes. Okay. And you don't And you don't know which car Brenn picked him up in her up. Did you Well, what did he show up in when he showed up with uh at um Boyville? >> The car. >> The car? >> Yes. >> Not the SUV? >> No. >> Where'd that go? >> I know for sure. >> So, wait a minute. [snorts] And I just want to be clear. I understand. So he they he drove you to Boy'sville in the the SUV Reaper one, right? Is that correct? >> Yes. >> But when he showed back up, was he in Reaper 2 or Reaper 1? >> Reaper 2. >> So he was in the car? >> Yes. >> And you're sure about that? >> Cuz you said you weren't sure what he picked Caleb in earlier. And I just want to be sure. >> Why are you sure now? What you weren't sure before? >> Cuz you said to tell the truth. >> Okay. [snorts] I appreciate that. Is there anything else you want to change? >> Do you have anything else right now? >> Not right now. >> Do you need anything? >> ST, do you need water or anything like that? >> No. >> ST, I'm going to be right back with you. Okay, I'll be right back. Okay. Are you hanging in there? >> Okay. >> Okay. A couple things. When they came out after shooting her, did they have her phone? >> Yes. >> What did they do with her phone? >> They threw her phone on the highway. >> They threw it on the highway. Where? On the highway. >> Well, I mean, where were you when you were you were driving? Where did they throw it? >> Do you remember what road you were on? >> No. >> How far? How long have you been driving since? What? What route did you leave there when you went back to the apartment? >> I took 75. >> Oh, you took 75. >> So, did you go out Net a Road to 75? >> Yes. >> And they threw it off of 75? >> Yes. >> Okay. [snorts] And what about Did they have a bag or anything like that? >> Yes. >> What color was the bag? Nothing. >> What did they do with the bag? >> They threw it away. >> Where? >> At the garbage can. >> What garbage can? >> At the garbage. >> Okay. So, they threw her phone out on the freeway. You're saying 75. Were they going southbound or northbound? >> I don't remember. >> You don't remember? >> No. >> And they threw her bag out in the garbage can at the apartments. >> Did they have anything else? >> No. >> Was Narina involved in the planning of this at all? Yes, >> she was. >> Tell me about that. >> She knew about the whole thing. >> She knew all about it. When did she know? Was she present when Alex brought the gun down? >> Yes. >> Okay. And was she encouraging? Was she there that night? >> She was at the apartment. >> She was at the apartment when they did this. Why did she stay back at the apartment? >> Because you told her to stay back and listen to the police scan. >> Okay. So, she was listen Did Steve have a police scanner at his place? >> No, he had it on his phone. on his phone? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, he had a police scanner on his phone. >> Yes. >> And he told her to listen to that and do what? >> See if anything would happen. >> And then was she supposed to notify someone if something was coming or what? >> Pardon me. >> Yes. >> And who was she supposed to notify? >> Him. >> How? If he she had his phone >> because she had a phone, too. >> I don't What do you mean? >> He got two phones. >> He had two phones. So she was supposed to notify him if she heard something in the police about this? >> Yes. >> Okay. And then they were they would do what? >> That they would notify him. >> Oh, no. She would do what? >> Call him. >> Call him if she heard something about the police. Okay. So, was she involved? So, she was involved in the planning of this? >> Yes. >> And she wanted her dead. >> I'm not for sure. She didn't release anything about it. [snorts] >> Okay. Well, was she there when uh Alex Fo brought the gun? >> No, >> she was not there. Was she there when um Alex gave the gun back? >> Yes, >> she was there for that. Okay. Did you guys ever talk about that? >> No. >> When you were hiding in Again, we test this on a hologram. I just want to make sure you're being 100% honest. Okay. When you were hiding behind a tree, were you acting as a lookout of sorts, too, in case people were coming? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, you were looking out and what were you instructed to do if someone came? >> Scream. >> Scream. >> Yes. >> And who who were they worried about? Someone like were they worried about the police? Were they worried about >> the police? >> The police. What about other people? >> Where were where specifically were you located? So, so, and I we're being 100% honest, right? It's it's out there now, right? It's it's all out there. So, just so I'm clear, [clears throat] earlier you said you were in the car. That wasn't true, right? >> I was in the car when the shooting happened. >> Okay. Well, you just you said you were looking out. So, how were you looking out if you were in the car? >> Okay. When did you get in the car? When you got to the building? >> When they went inside the building, >> were you looking out for them before they got in the building? >> Yes. >> And you were supposed to scream if you saw someone? >> Yes. >> Were you What about if you saw non police? Were you supposed to let them know? >> Yes. >> Okay. And what specifically did did Steve tell you? What specifically did he tell you to do? >> Just watch his back. >> To watch his back. What did that mean to you? It meant to watch and see if anybody's coming. >> Okay. And that meant to you police? >> Yes. >> That meant random people walking around. That meant Kayla's friends. That meant anyone? >> And specifically, what did he tell you to do if you saw those things? >> To let them know. >> To let them know. >> Yes. >> Okay. Why did you go sit in the car once they got in the building? Because I didn't want to be in there. >> You didn't want to be in where? >> The building. >> But why didn't you just stay behind the tree? >> Cuz I didn't feel safe. >> You didn't feel safe. What? What do you mean? Why didn't you feel safe? >> Because I felt like he was going to kill me, too. >> Okay. All right. Um, but Narina was back at the apartment listening to the police scanner, and she was supposed to notify Steve something happened. Yes. Okay. Did Did they have a storage unit anywhere? >> Yes. >> Okay. Where was their storage unit? >> Over on Telegraph. >> Where in the place? >> Did they store anything from this in the storage unit? >> No. >> No, they didn't. What did they keep in the storage unit? >> Like stuff from the apartment furniture. >> Nothing from killing Kayla. No. >> None of her clothes, her bag, anything? >> No. Okay. And do you remember so when you you went to I75 after they killed her? >> Yes. >> Okay. Do you remember did you turn left or I'm sorry, did you [clears throat] turn right or did you turn left? >> So you turn left. So that would be probably going northbound. Is that correct? >> I don't want to put words in your mouth. Were you going northbound or do you think >> I think >> Are you positive you went left? I don't remember. >> You don't know? >> No. >> So, could you have gone right >> or pardon me? >> I'm not for sure. >> You don't know? >> Okay. All right. Um, how long was this in the planning for? >> A week. >> A week before they did it. >> And, um, were you part of the planning, too? Were they they had planned on having you as the lookout? >> Yes. >> Okay. From the beginning. >> No. >> When did when did you become the lookout person? When did >> pardon me? >> The end. >> At the end. Right before it happened. That's when you were assigned that. Before that, what was your role supposed to be? >> To not say anything. >> To not say anything. Okay. But you knew that they were going to go pick up Kayla and bring her back to do that. >> No, I just knew that they were going to pick her up at 12:00. Well, now we're kind of backsliding, right? Because let's let's be careful because you because you told me earlier about Steve and Kayyn talking about her shooting her, right? >> Yes. >> So, you knew they were going to kill her? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, do you know what kind of phone she had? >> Government. >> A government phone. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Anything else you can think of? Do you know how uh Bren was communicating with Kayla? >> Maybe he acted like it was for his girlfriend. >> So he was kind of like catfishing her. Was that cuz Steve told him to do that? >> What means did he use to communicate with her? Do you know >> Shane? Oh, you can be my girlfriend. Well, like what was he texting her? Was >> what what method was he texting her on? Do you know? >> Facebook. >> Facebook. Okay. And where's your phone at right now? >> Right here. >> Okay. Is there anything on there that's going to tell us anything um about the crime? >> No. >> Do you have a problem if we download the data from that phone? >> No. >> Okay. I'll get a um consent form. We'll get your phone back to you today. Okay. Okay. >> All right. Can I see that phone? What's the password now? >> 111. >> 111. That's it. >> Okay. Just three ones. >> Four ones. >> Four ones. Okay. I'll be right back with you. Okay. All right. Sit tight. You hanging in there? Do you need water or anything? Gatorade? >> No. >> Okay. I'll be right back. I'm going to get a consent form for this. Okay. Did um >> Did they say what they did to her body at all? >> No, they didn't. >> Did Did they Were they laughing about doing anything to her at all? >> They were just laughing. They didn't tell me what. >> Like, what were they saying when they were laughing? >> They just said they were going to do something to it. No, I'm saying like afterwards, what were they saying? What were they laughing about? >> How they were going to do their body? Her body? >> How they what? >> How they were going to hide her body? >> Well, this was afterwards. >> Yes. >> And how were they going to hide your body? >> They didn't say. >> Were they planning on going back? >> Yes. >> And tell me about that. >> They didn't say they were going back. They didn't tell me how. >> Did they go back? >> Yes. >> Tell me about when they went back. >> I didn't tell. When did they go back? >> The day after. >> The [snorts] day after they went back. >> Yes. >> And who went back? >> Kaylin and Steve. >> Kaylin and Steve went back. Anyone else? >> Brian. >> Brian went back. So all three of them went back. Did Nina go back? >> No. >> And they went back. And what did they do? Did they say what they did with her? >> No. >> Was this before or after they gave Alex his gun back? >> After they gave him his gun. >> Did Alex go with him? No. >> Okay. >> All right. Why did Alex loan them the gun to kill Kayla? >> Like what was his what was he going to get out of it? >> I don't know. >> Sierra Nicole Bemis was originally charged with open murder and conspiracy to commit open murder in the 2023 Monroe County homicide of Kayla Saddowski. In February 2024, she pleaded no contest to seconddegree homicide. On May 23rd, 2024, she was sentenced to 18 years and nine months to 30 years in prison. Under Michigan law, she becomes eligible for parole consideration after serving the minimum term. As of the most recent verified public information, she remains incarcerated in the Michigan Department of Corrections.