[snorts] There you go. >> You can have a seat right here. >> Okay. >> Pull you in a little bit. You guys have >> Can you uh >> grab the cutters? >> Yeah. >> 17-year-old Cassandra Borg had already been struggling with family conflict, probation, and behavioral problems when she became close to her boyfriend, Johnny Ryder. But their relationship soon took a disturbing turn. According to Cassandra's interrogation, the two began planning something that would change both of their families forever. The first targets were the grandparents who had raised her. After the killings, Cassandra and Johnny allegedly carried on as if nothing had happened using the car, spending money, and even telling others that her grandparents were away on vacation. But investigators would eventually uncover something far more disturbing. The grandparents may have only been the beginning. And when detectives started questioning what happened next, Cassandra's story began to raise an even bigger. >> And before he did that, did you and Johnny meet up somewhere at a park or something to talk about? >> We went to >> We went to Peach Park and we talked about it. At first, it wasn't my idea at first. >> Mhm. >> Um, >> how did you even get I guess what was said? How do you even bring up what was the context? >> He first asked me, "Are you afraid to die? And I said, "No." And then I asked him, "Are you afraid to die?" And he said, "No." And he was just talking about how we could like run away together, you know, that kind of like dream. And he asked me, he was like, "Would you kill your grandparents?" And I kind of like hesitated for a minute. And I was like, "Why?" And he was just like, "I don't know. I mean, cuz I he knows probably everything that I've been through with all of my family and he understands that, you know, like all I really wanted to do was just kind of get away from everything, kind of just move on with myself. Like I wasn't having a good relationship with my grandparents. Like it just it started getting really bad, you know, like they I got a charge from them because, you know, like I fought them. you know, I might have broken like my grandpa's ribs when, you know, for that charge for simple assault and simple battery, you know, and it just like it just got really worse. We just kept arguing all the time and then I don't know. I guess things like just seemed different. They didn't look at me the same anymore. Like they didn't I don't know. It was it's like their the vibe that they have was like they didn't really know what to do. They didn't really know like how to like be around me. I guess they didn't really know how like how to talk to me. So I didn't really know like how to talk to them either. So it was like it was just a really hard >> was a big age difference too. So >> yeah. And then you know before all of the stuff happened with my parents you know like they treated me so much differently you know they had you know they trusted me you know I could have done anything at their house you know like I was free and I loved going over there and it wasn't like I was actually like living there so you know cuz I was with my parents so I never like ever had that feeling but even though I did live with them before it I don't know it was just it kind kind of just like changed throughout like the whole time that I was with them. So, I don't know. I kind of just >> grew apart. >> Yeah. >> When you guys met at the park, did he did he >> This is where the interrogation stops feeling like a routine interview. The detective gets Cassandra to explain the origin of the plan. And the most revealing moment comes when she describes being asked whether she would kill her own grandparents. Her hesitation is especially important, not as proof of deception, but as an observable pause before answering an extremely serious question. Instead of immediately challenging her, the detective lets her continue talking that gives Cassandra room to explain the deteriorating relationship with her grandparents, gradually revealing the emotional context surrounding the decision. The tension comes from the contrast between the casual conversational tone and the enormity of what she is describing. >> I don't know. But how we started talking about it was like we started out like with you know what time should we go to the house? How are we going to do this? You know like what are we what you know materials do we need to you know do this? So you know we started talking about that and then you know so we decided to go around like midnight or 1 1:30 cuz my grandma normally went to sleep around like 11:30 12. >> So we would we decided like you know we would park down the road and then the park was literally like right behind my backyard like the neighborhood park. So, I was able to go through the park and then cut through my backyard cuz there was a fence. Like there was the trees, then there was my fence, and then there was the house. So, you could easily like go through the trees, and then there was the little gate that you could go through. I didn't even think like you could even open it. >> Yeah. How'd you guys move that cement to Isn't there like a cement uh block or cinder block or something? >> Yeah, I It was pretty easy to move. Like I was able to push the door out a little bit and then like it's was stuck but I was able to maneuver my body over to get in the, >> you know, into the other side and then I just moved the cement block over so that Johnny could get through and then I moved it back. >> Do you remember what you guys were wearing when when you guys did this or? >> I was wearing like mostly red. Like I had like red sweatpants. I had a red hoodie on. I had like a black like a t-shirt that I used as a mask. >> Um I think Johnny wore all black maybe like a little bit of color. >> Did a hoodie have a design or anything on it? Do you remember? Or >> I think he had a design on the hoodie. >> Yours? >> No. Well, yeah. On mine. I I had something. It wasn't my hoodie. It was Johnny's cuz he let me borrow it. It said something on there. So it was like had like white letters and then I guess um he had like this uh design on his hoodie too. >> And you guys said you had t-shirts wrapped around where they did you guys >> they were just like it was like a >> rags or something. >> Yeah, like an old t-shirt. >> What was that for? >> Just to like cover up our faces. >> Excuse me. Do you remember what shoes kind of shoes you were wearing? Here the interrogation quietly crosses a major psychological line. Cassandra is no longer describing an emotional idea. She is describing preparation. The detective keeps asking small factual questions when, where, what they wore, how they entered without aggressively accusing her. That technique allows the account to become increasingly detailed. Cassandra describes the route through the park, the backyard, the clothing, and even the masks. The significance is that the story begins to sound structured rather than spontaneous. The detective's calm questioning makes the details accumulate naturally, creating a stronger picture of planning without needing to confront her directly. >> Over there, you remember? >> I don't remember. >> Y were living out of his car. Did he have like a lot of clothes in his car that he would change into? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> He already had clothes in his car. >> Okay. But did he have like different shoes or did he kind of just keep one pair of shoes on? >> He had different shoes. He had a bunch of stuff in his car. It's kind of like Mary Poppins. >> Okay. >> You got some good analogies. I like that. >> So, when you guys made it to the I guess the back door or the back gate, what' you guys do next? How'd you move up to the house? >> Well, we went up the stairs, the >> the decking stairs. Yeah. Okay. >> The back deck. And my grandma was still up cuz we got there a little bit early. So, we went back down and we were kind of just chilling over where um >> the shed is. >> Yeah, we were just chilling by the shed >> and then we saw that the lights turned out and then we just like stayed outside for a little bit longer just to, you know, wait and then I already had the keys to my house cuz I already had a set of keys. So, I was able to unlock the back door and then that would that just made everything easier. And as back door, do you mean the bottom back door or so? You still talking about the door and steps? >> Yeah, like when you go up the back on the back deck, there's two doors. >> There's a door on the left and a door on the right. And I went to the door on the right because the door on the left had a sensor on it. >> Like one of those like >> beep beep or whatever. >> Yeah. Like >> the door for open something. >> One of the ones that kind of like announces each door. Mhm. But the one you guys went into didn't have it. >> Yeah, I was able to take that one out cuz like it was it's it was like a really old like alarm system. Like they had this alarm system for years and all you had to do is just like you had to push this little button just to open it and then just take the battery out. And I already took the battery out like a while ago. >> What was that for? You taking the battery out >> just to like sneak out. >> Okay. And plus, I hated that thing that went off every time. It was just it got so annoying. >> So then you guys are at that back door now. Uh you're the first one to kind of walk inside there or how do you Okay, >> so there was stuff in front of the door cuz my grandma normally would block off the back door. So but I was able to open So I unlocked the back door. I was able to open the back door a little bit and not have the stuff in front of the door fall and, you know, make a noise. So, I was able to like maneuver in and then I moved the stuff in front of the door and then I got Johnny in and then we closed the door and locked it. >> And then would you guys kind of just hang out downstairs or did you start moving upstairs? >> We we went upstairs. So we immed well we didn't immediately go upstairs like we went to the stairs and then we were like just listening just hearing what was going on and we thought everything was good and then we went upstairs and >> Oh did you guys have anything in your hands or you just >> I had um what's it called? It's one of those car tools. >> Is it to do a tire or is it to fix it? >> It was a tire iron. So I had one of those. >> Where'd you get that at? Johnny's car. He had one in his car, >> his Honda or whatever. >> And Johnny just used his fist. And he brought a black book bag um that had duct tape in it and it had um the tire iron in it. >> And it had gloves in it cuz we were also wearing gloves too. >> What kind of gloves? >> They were like >> like hospital gloves or regular >> hospital. [snorts] >> What color were they? remember >> blue. >> Okay. >> Is Yeah, they were blue. >> Okay. >> So, >> so now you guys are at the stairs starting to go up the stairs. >> Yeah. >> You actually had the tire iron in your hand or is it still in the book bag? >> I had the tire iron in my hand. You know, we got it out before we went inside the house. >> So, I had it in my hand and Johnny didn't have any weapon. He just used his fist. >> So, and then >> So, who's first up the stairs? Is it you and he's kind of following you or? >> Yeah. I go upstairs. >> He goes into my grandpa's room and then I go into my grandma's room. >> Mhm. >> And yeah. >> And then he Do you hear kind of what's going on over there? And does that kind of queue you off to >> with your grandmother there? >> Yeah. He's he started going at it and then you know I could hear my grandpa just yelling you know them fighting and then I started getting the rush and then you know that's when I started hitting my grandma in the head. So you took the tire iron. Is it just >> I saw her just just beating her head with it? >> Does she have a pillow over her head? Do you know? Or was she have a pillow around her head or something? Cuz >> Okay. >> When the way she was laying was she was on her stomach and her head was facing to the right. If you're looking at if you go into the bedroom, you look at the bed. So her head was facing like the opposite direction. So she couldn't see me coming through the door. >> Okay. So, and then he started, you know, beating my grandpa. And then, um, after a little bit, I like hit her really hard on the back of the head. And then she started like screaming and stuff. And >> was that the first hit? >> Yeah. >> The back of the head. >> Yeah. That's where I mainly hit her in the head. Um, she bit me. >> I think I took a picture of that yesterday, right? Yeah, she bit me in my finger, too. But I forgot which finger. It was on my right hand. I think it was either like my middle finger or it was that one. >> And when you guys when you and your grandmother used to get into it is that that's kind of how she she did she bite you before to kind of get you off her or whatnot? >> Yeah, she's bitten me before. >> She's bit you before, too. >> Yeah. I haven't bitten her, but she she's she's bitten me before. >> Okay. >> Have like when you guys are in it or did you just come up and bite you? >> No, like when we were in it. Like I had this um mark on my hand from where she bit me for a while. >> Where did she bite you that night? On your finger. Yeah. Anywhere else? >> On my arm >> where they took the picture of it >> and then that was it. >> So you're in the bedroom with your grandmother. When I guess when do you meet back up with Johnny? Do you do you leave your grandmother there or kind of what happened? This is one of the darkest psychological moments because Cassandra describes the attack in remarkably procedural language. She explains who went into which bedroom, what she heard, and when she began attacking her grandmother. The detective does not interrupt with moral judgment. Instead, he asks precise follow-up questions about sequence and physical details. That keeps Cassandra focused on reconstruction rather than defense. Notice how the conversation moves from the emotional word rush into increasingly concrete details. The interrogation strategy here is simple but effective. Establish the sequence first, then let the suspect fill in the details herself. >> Um, so we we left my grandma sitting there on the floor and then I got the code to the safe. So Johnny's watching my grandpa and my grandma and I'm over. >> How'd you get that code? Did she tell you guys or >> she told us? >> Okay. So she told us the code and you know I went in the closet because that's where they kept the safe. So you know I go in there you know I'm checking out all the stuff and I grabbed the book bag and I just start stuffing the book bag with everything you know like there was envelopes just filled with money. There was probably about like $1,000 that we found in that safe that they were just saving. And >> did you know about that money or you just said no? Well, my grandma, it was kind of weird. Like, she was kind of giving me like an idea about it before. Like, she was saying, "What if I just gave you $1,000? Would that just make the world a better place?" I'm just like, "No, I don't want $1,000." You know? So, you know, she kept saying that and then like when I saw it, I was just like, "Wow, she actually had $1,000." Like, >> that's crazy. So, you guys put that stuff in a bag and then uh basically Johnny's in the in your grandpa's room >> with your grandpa and your grandma in the room. Do you come back in there and say, "Hey, I got this stuff." Or, "Okay." >> Yeah. I go back into the room and I tell him that I got the stuff. And so after that, he um slits my grandpa's throat and then we drag my grandma into the bathroom. And >> what [clears throat] was the reason for that? Just to bring her to the bathroom. >> Yeah. I don't know why we brought her back into the bathroom. I guess we didn't want to bring her into the bedroom. >> Okay. >> So, we just brought her into the bathroom. Um, and then Yeah. And then Johnny slit her throat, too. >> And I actually hit her in the back of the head with the tire. Well, not the back of the head, but like right where your spine is. because he was telling me he was like, "If you hit right there, like just one like good hit, you can just knock the person out and then they'll be dead." >> And she was like pretending to be dead for a while. Like I would, you know, check up on her and I would see that she was still breathing and I'll be like, "Johnny, she's still alive. What the heck?" And then like Johnny finally like like made the like last blow and she it was was kind of creepy cuz she was like scared >> to die. Like she she shattered herself and peed herself. >> Oh, did she? >> It was kind of gross. That was really >> So you said the last blow though was >> was just like the last hit like that >> last hit with the tire iron. And who did that? You were Johnny. Johnny >> had her throat already been slit >> and then after he like did that then he slit her throat. >> Oh, okay. So her throat wasn't slit until >> Mhm. >> Excuse me. And then did you guys pretty much just leave the upstairs or >> Yeah. Well, we were just after that then we closed the doors and then we were just checking around seeing if everything was okay and then I started grabbing my clothes and start stuffing bags with my clothes and then Johnny's, you know, walking around doing his thing, checking to make sure that they were both dead and checking to make sure if we uh didn't forget anything. And yeah, then we left and then we came back to the house. >> When you guys left, where did you guys go to? >> We went over to like Kroger or Publix to go get something to eat and then we went back to the house and we just kind of like chilled there. >> Which which one? >> It was like on Old Pe. >> Were you in Johnny's car when you guys left or >> No, we took my grandpa's car. >> Did you leave Johnny's car at the >> Mhm. apartment or the park rather. >> Yeah. Well, after I I got my grandpa's car, I drove over to Johnny's car and we dropped Johnny's car off over by um these little like stores. Um I forgot. It's over by the Kroger that we would normally go to. >> Would you go to the Kroger at Riverside? >> I think >> there was like a Kroger habachi. >> There's a Sonic right in front of it. the brand new QT on this corner and they took out the old QT. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, like you come out of your neighborhood, you make a left, >> you go down to Duth and you make a left and then Kroger's on the right. >> Yeah. >> So, is that car still there probably or no? >> Yeah, I bet the car is still there. It's parked in like uh it's like over where Kingetta place is, you know? There's like uh there was like >> the Hampton in more towards the Hampton Inn. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Near like the uniform store. Mhm. >> Okay. >> Somewhere. It was over in that area >> kind of behind the old QT. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And then you guys went back to the house and then did you do anything to the doors or >> Johnny did he glued the doors. >> Okay. >> He went in the my garage and found the what's it called? The I don't know. >> Yeah. So yeah, he did that. >> Okay. And was it me the point of that is what? Just >> he just did that. He just decided to do that. He didn't tell me. I just watched him. I was just like, "Okay." >> Mhm. >> Like you got it. >> Did you guys kind of just stay in the house then or? >> Yeah, it was kind of both. We were kind of like in and out of the house for a couple days. It was just me and him. We didn't tell anyone. I mean, I told I told my friends that my grandparents went on a vacation for like two weeks. Um, >> did you call some of your friends ever and say, "Hey, if you guys want to come over because I spoke to some people and that's just the rumor going out. They said, "Hey, if you guys want to come over, not for a party or anything, but you know, I got some money. Grandparents are out of town." >> I mean, I would just tell people like I would just be like, "Hey, you know, like I have like the free crib." But I wouldn't have people come over, you know? I'll just be like, "If y'all are trying to tell, I'll come meet up with you." >> Okay. >> I wouldn't like I wouldn't let them go to the house. >> That makes sense. >> Now, can I ask a question? Um, obviously when you guys were done with everything, >> um, you had had some blood on you, I bet. >> Yeah, I had some blood on my face. >> Okay. Did you change clothes? >> Were you in the house when you changed your clothes? >> Yes. >> Okay. Did you you had extra clothes cuz you lived there? >> Yeah. Uh, what about Johnny? Did Johnny have to change clothes? >> Yes. >> What did you guys do with those clothes? >> We put them in a trash bag. And I think we left the trash bag in my grandpa's car. >> Okay. >> With the knives that he used. >> So, it was all in like one trash bag. >> And that backpack you were talking about that he used, did it have a design on it? >> It It was just all black to transport. Just one of those small little one or two pocket book bags. Okay. Um, and when you dropped his Honda off, >> um, what was the point of leaving it at the Kroger? >> Um, he said that he didn't want to drive around with that car anymore because technically that wasn't his car. I mean, it was it was under his mom's name. >> Okay. >> So, he wanted to use like my grandparents' car instead >> because if somebody came looking for you guys, they could come looking for >> his car. his car with at his mom had. >> Okay. >> And when you guys were, I guess, together for the two, three, however many days uh at the house, when you guys left, did you go to any make any purchases to buy some new clothes using credit cards or anything? >> Cuz we got receipts in that. So, do you remember whose credit card you used? >> It was my grandma's credit card or it was a debit card. The psychological significance here is the transition from violence to control. Cassandra describes restraining her grandmother involving Johnny, retrieving knives, and then obtaining the safe combination. The detective's questioning remains extremely specific. What was tied where, who helped, and what happened next? This prevents the account from becoming vague. Cassandra's answers also reveal how the situation evolves from an attack into a sequence of practical decisions, restraining moving the victims, retrieving weapons and accessing valuables. The calm investigative tone makes the disturbing details feel even more stark. >> Just to make sure that he I guess he read them right. You never know. And then I just like to ask you some questions, no stress, and then and then go over some stuff. Is that cool? >> Okay. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have a present with you while you're being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, won't be appointed to represent you before any question if you wish. You can decide anytime to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. Excuse me. You understand all these rights? >> Yeah. >> Okay. You willing to talk about I guess >> Yeah. >> I mean, yeah. Whatever. >> Whatever you have to ask me, I'm good to talk about. Well, I guess I'll start from Let me get your full name just to >> make sure I know who you are, I guess. >> Cassandra Lee Borg. >> And can I call you Cassie? Which? Okay. Is that a nickname they give you? >> Yeah. >> Is that C A S S I >> E >> I E. And what's your Lee? >> L E I G H. >> I like that. >> The female sound. >> You need my last name? >> Yeah. What's What is that? Norwegian >> is it? >> It's supposed to be pronounced um Borga, but it's too hard for >> getting Americans to say Borg. >> I'm thinking B. George. >> Oh yeah, that would I've heard that one a lot. >> Or think Bejorn >> or B George. >> I'm an American say anyways. >> I've heard a lot of be George. >> What's your date of birth? >> March 18, 2000. >> Damn, you did just have a birthday. >> And where were you staying at? >> Uh the address? Yeah, you got your Grams at 1911. You remember that? >> 1911 furong run. Warrenville, Georgia. >> How long you been there for hanging out there? >> Over a year. >> Over a year. >> Well, technically, well, when they had custody of me, like when they got custody of me, then I was staying. I mean, I lived there before. Um, I was living there till like 2011 and then I moved out to go live in Duth with my parents because we were all staying at my grandparents house. So it was me and my grandparents and my parents. So >> how long did they live in a house for a while? I guess >> which one? >> The furong. >> Oh, they lived there >> since it was built. >> 20 something years. >> And you got a phone number? >> No. >> Have you ever had a phone number or? >> Yes. >> What was that? >> 6787567790. I haven't had a phone since like December cuz my ex-boyfriend sold it. >> Sold it. >> Did you want him to sell it or >> No, no, no. He He told me we went to the mall of Georgia one day and then I lost it and then he said, "Oh, you might have lost it at the Mall of Georgia." So me over here thinking I lost it and then I found out that he just sold my phone. So I was like, >> did you [clears throat] did you do some karate traps on him or anything or kick his butt? >> He already went to jail before I could do anything. >> Oh, did he? >> Yeah. >> Well, I guess that's way back in itself. Did you go uh what's did you graduate high school or? >> No, >> actually you're only >> still a junior. >> Okay. >> Technically >> at Duth? >> No, I do online now. K12 international. >> I stopped going to Duth in 2015. >> Okay. >> Cuz um that was around the time where like all this stuff was happening with my parents and stuff and I started getting scared going to school because my stepdad would literally come on campus looking around the whole campus just to find me. Like he was going in classrooms and stuff. So I had to get like a restraining order. >> Yeah. I know you've been dealing with a lot of drama with that stuff. >> And that was high school in 2015. >> Yeah. >> So I guess as a freshman you're a freshman. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. And I guess >> your boyfriend Johnny. >> How long you date that dude for? >> Like three months. >> Three months. Where'd you guys meet at? >> I met him through the ex-boyfriend who stole my phone. >> Dad's payback. [laughter] >> That's true. I guess >> um I met him cuz they came to pick me up one day cuz we wanted to chill and then we went to Ty Island for like two days. >> That's awesome. >> So, you guys stay at a hotel or on the beach or what? >> Yeah, we stayed at a hotel. Like they paid for everything and they asked me if I wanted to come. I was like, "Yeah, let's go. Let's have a let's go on the beach." >> And this was Johnny's family, I guess. >> No, this was like it was just me, Johnny, Tyler, and this guy named Cy. >> Okay. Was you guys you you and Johnny pretty tight? Did you have feelings for him or just kind of a boyfriend type thing or? >> I have feelings. I still have feelings for him. >> I care about him. >> I guess I'm going to ask a corny question. Is it love or no? >> Yeah. >> This is what he told me. Um after IB, we went to Atlanta and we were on like this, >> I don't know, it was like this parking lot thing and we got to see like the whole city and he told me that when we were sitting up there that like for a second he looked at me and I looked at him and he told me that all he could see was just me and then purple around me and he said like purple is like a sign of love. And he said like ever since then like it was like love at first sight. In case you're wondering why her arms are like that, before she was brought up here, she and her boyfriend sliced their wrists and a SWAT team had to enter and find both of them unconscious >> or something. >> That's kind of cute though. >> I don't know. I mean, he got married to like this crazy [ __ ] And then now now she's like saying that I'm stalking her when I've only met the girl like twice. >> Yeah. I talked to Johnny a couple days ago and just talking to him, she thinks she definitely was crazy. So, >> is he okay? >> Yeah, he's fine. So he sends his regards and all that stuff. So >> does he like Is he doing okay? Was he >> No, he's fine. Yeah, he's he actually better off than you. You know, they weren't weren't that deep or anything. So he did >> he didn't really >> Man, I could have sworn he did worse than me cuz I remember when we were in the bathroom cuz he did it with me, too. [clears throat] He kept going. I kept telling him to stop. So >> yeah, his maybe this tougher skin. I don't I don't really know. >> Okay. >> So I guess let's uh guess let's start from a scratch. uh about what happened starting from when you ran away I guess. Is that the 31st? Do you remember 28th or something like that? >> I don't really was it I didn't really run [clears throat] away. My grandmother like kicked me out. >> Okay. >> Cuz like this is what happened. Like I was chilling with Johnny and my other friend Sabrina and I came home because you know it was time for curfew because I didn't want to violate my probation. So, I came home and my grandpa was asleep and my grandma got really mad at me and she was like saying like, "Oh, you know, if you don't like it here, you know, we're just going to find somewhere else for you to stay." And she just said that out of the blue. Like, she just got really mad for some reason. And so, I was just like, "If you're going to find another place for me to stay, I'm just going to leave. I'm just going to find somewhere else to go." So, >> and this was basically when you took off, you came back, your grandparents were home, and I guess that's when you had that argument. Wait, wait. What? >> So, you just had an argument with your grandma, right? >> I left. >> Okay. Go. >> I'm sorry. I got you. >> And then when you left, where'd you go to? >> I was just staying with Johnny. Like we were sleeping in his car. >> And what kind of car is that? >> It was a blue like Honda or Toyota. It was like um kind of like a car that you had like the same styleish four-doors. >> And then so you're kicking with Johnny. Where you kicking with him at? We were just all over the place, Bailey. We were just trying to find something to do, just keep, you know, just have something to do because we don't want to just sit around and do nothing. >> So, you know, we were finally people to chill with and go to the mall or something. >> Was it all your friends you were chilling with or all his friends or combination or? >> It was sort of like combination between both. >> Who are your friends? Is it just Sabrina or you got other? >> I mean, I only have like one other friend, Izzy. Is he >> I don't like chilling with like a lot of people just because I don't trust a lot of people. >> I'm the same way. I literally only have a couple friends myself. So, she's one of them. >> So, you uh So, I guess when do you decide to go back to your grandparents house uh in the middle of the night? >> It was like a couple days after, like two or three days. >> You remember Saturday, Sunday? Do you have an exact? >> I don't really remember. Moving in with her grandparents was supposed to be a fresh start, away from the bad influences, away from the chaos at home. But it didn't take long for the same patterns to resurface. Cassandra wasn't returning home for days. She was still picking up charges, still fighting with her grandmother physically. Randall and Wendy were in their 60s, doing their best with a teenager who was well beyond what they were equipped to handle. What Cassandra really needed wasn't a change of address. It was a serious intervention, the kind that only specialized institutions are built for. By the time anyone realized that, it was already far too late. >> Like I didn't really even know like what day it was that we went into the house. >> And before you did that, did you and Johnny meet up somewhere at a park or something to talk about? >> We went on. >> We went to Peach Park and we talked about it. At first, it wasn't my idea at first. >> Um, >> how did you even get I guess what was said? How do you even bring up what was the context? He first asked me, "Are you afraid to die?" >> And I said, "No." And then I asked him, "Are you afraid to die?" And he said, "No." And he was just talking about how we could like run away together, you know, that kind of like dream. And he asked me, he was like, "Would you kill your grandparents?" And I kind of like hesitated for a minute. And I was like, "Why?" And he was just like, "I don't know. I mean, cuz I he knows probably everything that I've been through with all of my family and he understands that, you know, like all I really wanted to do was just kind of get away from everything. Kind of just move on with myself. Like I wasn't having a good relationship with my grandparents. Like it just it started getting really bad, you know, like that I got a charge from them because, you know, like I fought them. you know, I might have broken like my grandpa's ribs when, you know, for that charge for simple assault and simple battery, you know, and it just like it just got really worse. We just kept arguing all the time and then >> I don't know. I guess things like just seemed different. They didn't look at me the same anymore. Like they didn't I don't know. It was It's like their the vibe that they have was like they didn't really know what to do. They didn't really know like how to like be around me. I guess they didn't really know that like how to talk to me. So, I didn't really know like how to talk to them either. So, it was like it was just a really hard >> a big age difference too. So, >> yeah. And then, you know, before all of the stuff happened with my parents, you know, like they treated me so much differently. you know, they had, you know, they trusted me, you know, I could have done anything at their house, you know, like I was free and I loved going over there and it wasn't like I was actually like living there. So, you know, cuz I was with my parents so I never like ever had that feeling. But even though I did live with them before, I don't know, it was just it kind of just like changed throughout like the whole time that I was with them. So, I don't know. I kind of just >> apart. >> Yeah. when you guys met at the park, did did he ever go over the actual plan on how you guys would do it or anything like that or like what was that about? >> Uh, well, I mean, we were just trying to figure out how to get money and cuz he said that he might have had a warrant and I didn't know if I had a warrant because, you know, my grandma kicked me out and then that's she did the same thing that my mom did. Like my mom would kick me out then like a couple days later she would call the cops saying that I ran away when I didn't. Like sometimes like she would physically force me out of the house >> cuz like sometimes like I would just be like mom like why are you doing this? And then you know she would like literally like grab my stuff and push me out the door and then call the cops on me. So I felt like that's what like my grandma did and I didn't know. So I was already figuring that I had a warrant or something that I already violated probation. And Johnny was saying that he might already like violated probation because he thought his mom called the cops on him or something. I don't know. But how we started talking about it was like we started out like with you know what time should we go to the house? How are we going to do this? You know like what are we what >> this segment creates one of the strangest psychological contrasts in the entire interrogation. The violence has happened yet the behavior that follows becomes almost ordinary. Leaving the house getting food returning and dealing with transportation. The detective lets Cassandra narrate this aftermath without immediately labeling it. That makes the contrast speak for itself. From an observational standpoint, the important element is the shift from extreme violence to mundane problem solving. The interrogation exposes how quickly the suspects apparently returned to practical concerns. Cars, food, clothes, and securing the house. >> Your phone? Uh, >> I didn't have a phone at the time. Well, I mean, I did, but didn't have any data in it or anything, so I wasn't calling anybody. I was just mainly using like social media. >> Oh, gotcha. >> So, and >> is that your Snapchat? What are you using? >> Yeah. >> I was mainly just using Snapchat to, you know, contact like just a couple of my friends to chill with them and stuff. >> Um, >> did you guys ever chill with anyone during that week at all or Oh, you did? >> Yeah, I chilled. We chose with some of his friends, some of my friends, and kind of a mixture of both of our friends. >> Um, we sort of had like the same friendsish. Like, >> so yeah, we were just chilling with them, you know, we would just go meet up with them. We would never have anyone come over to the house. We were just like, that's that's a no. That's a big no no. So, >> and you said, I think I asked you before, you did go to karate or or whatnot on Wednesday. Mhm. >> Was Johnny Was he with you or you left by yourself? >> Yeah, it was me and Johnny. >> You guys both went inside or No. >> Yeah, we both went inside. He wanted He was interested in seeing what the place looked like. And I forgot if Shiffue, my master, was here or if he went to China cuz Johnny really wanted to meet Shiffue. So, I was like, "Okay, let's go meet him." >> Who's that place at? >> It's um slashnor. >> What's it called? Shaolin Institute. >> I don't even know how. Shila. >> Shaolin. >> How do you spell that? >> S H A O L I N. >> What's wrong with that? Do you know how to spell that? >> I don't know how. I would have been like correct. >> It's called Institute. >> Yeah, the Shaolin Institute. >> And he says in Duth area. >> Yeah, it's like >> what streets are off of. Or do you know the exact address? >> If you look if you just look up the [ __ ] Um, >> you remember who you talked to when you were there? >> Who was there? Um, I can't remember her name. She was one of the new ladies. Uh, there was a lady named Rita who was there and then one of the office ladies was there. >> How long you guys were there for? >> Just for like 10 minutes maybe. We weren't long. I just showed him around. >> And I know this is I mean I'm sure you went to a lot of different places. Do you remember all the places you kind of went to to buy clothes and things like that? Like were you guys >> uh Well, >> the mall or >> Yeah, we went to Where did we go? Uh I think we went to the mall of Georgia to go buy some clothes. Maybe Sugarloaf Mills. >> Yeah. remember what stores or anything or no? >> No. >> So, both of them or you just don't know which one? What mall? >> Both of them. >> Oh, is it both? >> I mean, we were we were around the area. Um, >> always driving your grandpa's car or did you drive your grandma's car, too? >> No, no, we just drove my grandpa's car. Didn't even touch my grandma's car. >> Um, yeah, we were we were just all around like Swany, Lawrenceville. We went over by um what's it called? John's Creek area. >> What pool? >> Um something falls. There's like this huge settled bridge. >> What's over there? What is that? >> It's like this. It's like the Chryuchi River. Okay. >> And then there's like this huge bridge that you can walk across. You can jump off. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. It's really cool. >> Did you jump off of it? >> No. It was too cold. >> Do you know if did uh I guess we got some good amount of blood on a pair of socks you wore. Did your shoe Did you ever take your shoes off or >> what shoes? >> I don't know what shoes, but I'm saying we got blood on your socks. Do you know if your shoes popped off or something or did you step in blood by mistake or >> depends on >> Did you Did you wear your boots the whole time is kind of what he's asking. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't remember getting sock blood on my socks. >> They're little those little ankle socks. I guess you wear >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We were Sometimes we use those for gloves. >> Okay. >> Because um our hands were getting really sweaty and then uh we got some of my socks and just put on some of my socks and then that's how >> use that as like a glove for grip and stuff. >> Yeah. I was wondering >> other question for you too. So, I noticed that all your bed sheets and sheets were taken off of your bed. Did you kind of bring all that stuff in the living room so you wouldn't have to go upstairs or >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And that's where you guys slept pretty much. >> We slept in the TV room. We didn't want to stay upstairs. >> Okay. >> So, >> um Johnny kind of when you guys were at the park um and you were talking about kind of the plan. >> Yeah. Was it kind of the plan that you would attack your grandma and he would attack >> your grandpa? >> Yes. >> Um and then but during that kind of conversation where you guys had that and you were talking about maybe getting out of town and stuff like that, starting in your new life, starting over and whatnot. >> Yeah. >> Um how come you guys didn't stay? >> Well, because this is the plan. This is the major escalation point. Until here, a viewer could interpret the grandparents' deaths as the central event. Cassandra then reveals that the plan extended beyond them. The detective notices the gap between the first killings and the next intended attack and presses her about whether that was part of the original plan. Cassandra confirms it. The psychological impact comes from the expansion of the narrative. This was not presented as one isolated event anymore. The detective's patient questioning allows another layer of the plan to emerge without forcing the revelation. >> And that stuff is strong. So, did you spray it on him? >> Yeah, we both did. Um, well, I mean, Johnny did more. He sprayed more because my bottle stopped working for some reason. So, I couldn't like really use it. And, you know, it was it was so crazy. Like, it was just all rushed. Like it was just the spray was going everywhere and it was like like your eyes were burning like your whole body was burning. It was so painful. Like >> And who did you guys spray? Who got sprayed with that? >> Uh one of Johnny's sisters and her boyfriend. >> Was anybody else home? >> No. >> Okay. Did you guys do anything to the house when you were there? Like >> anything? Did you do anything with the windows or you just kind of were chilling out there? And we >> just kind of just chilling there. >> Were you waiting on them to get home? >> Yeah. >> Like that was the plan? >> Yeah. >> Cuz you obviously waited at your house to make sure grandma went to bed and to both obviously I I assume your intention was to catch them while they were sleeping. >> Yeah. >> And then with Johnny's house, you went before everybody else got back for the night. >> Yeah. Cuz like our plan was like really >> Why didn't you want to attack them while they were sleeping? I'm not sure why we didn't do that, but um he kind of said it would be a lot easier if we kind of just waited for them to each come home so we could each of them knock them out. Yeah. >> And it didn't really go like that. >> Okay. >> Did you guys talk about much about the incident actually at Johnny's or No, >> no. I we kind of segueed into it just cuz I I was wondering why they stayed in town so long, but I didn't realize that was the reason was because they were planning Johnny's family, too. >> Who who Whose idea was that? Was that also talked about at Petri Ridge Park? Yes, that was Johnny's idea cuz then that's why that's the reason why he asked me if I wanted to kill my grandparents cuz he wanted to already kill his family and he was like, "Let's beat Bonnie and Clyde." >> H >> you said that. >> Yeah. I was like, "Okay." >> That's what I That's what I first said when uh because I'm the one that got called out to the scene initially and that's the first thing that came out of my mouth. So, >> Bonnie and Clyde. Mhm. >> Have you seen the movies? >> Of course. >> You have or you haven't? >> Yes, of course I have. >> Of course. Of course. >> Too young. I >> I'm 29 and I haven't. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. My mom was really into like old movies. So, okay. As I was a child, I used to watch like a lot of old movies. >> I guess with your grandparents, then we can move on to Johnny's. I mean, did you was there like ever a snapping point or I mean, do you feel bad about what happened? Do you think she deserves what happened or what? You know, how are you feeling right now? I'm not in your shoes, you know? >> It's my grandparents. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I feel terrible. I mean, I feel like the worst person on the planet, but at the same time, it's it was kind of just like I don't know. I mean, I feel heartbroken, but I don't know. It's really weird. Like, I'm just I'm really sad about it. And that's like one of the reasons why like I wanted to, you know, kill myself, you know, and just overdose >> because, you know, like there was so much stuff going on between me and my grandparents already. like I couldn't I couldn't handle it anymore, you know, like um >> like he said with his follow-up question though, I mean, did they deserve it? Did grandma deserve it? Did grandpa deserve it? Or was it kind of just more getting away from your own family? >> It was more kind of just getting away. >> Okay. Um so you don't you don't think that grandma did anything? I mean, I was pretty pissed at her for, you know, the couple times that, you know, like she would call the cops on me for, you know, no reason sometimes or like um just like a lot of the stuff that she would say would be really offensive because it would be about my mom. >> Who who did you have a cuz your your grandparents are essentially your parents at this point and they've been taking care of you for how many years and you you live with them. It's a dayto-day thing. >> Who did you have a more contentious relationship with? Who was the one you were butting heads with all the time? >> My grandma. >> Your grandma more so than your grandpa. >> Yeah. I couldn't talk to my grandpa. Like I I did not have a real good relationship with him. I've you know before we did but then I don't know like I wasn't able to talk to him >> okay >> as much and he kind of like pushed me out >> pushed you out of his life a little bit. Do you think that maybe >> was it? >> This section reveals the strategic thinking behind the violence. When asked about her mother, Cassandra does not simply deny the possibility. She admits it was discussed. The detective then gets her to explain why they decided against it. Her answer shifts from emotional motivation toward risk assessment. They did not know what they might encounter at her parents' house. The detective summarizes this distinction back to her, essentially contrasting the grandparents predictability with the uncertainty of her parents. This is an important interrogation technique because the suspect is encouraged to confirm the investigator's reconstruction in her own words. in pictures. We're still waiting to find someone smarter to read your medical stuff. >> Okay. >> Um, just quick question. >> Yeah. >> Um, so we found obviously your grandpa's car at Johnny's house. >> Yeah. >> Is that the car you had the whole time up until you went to Johnny's house? >> And then whose car did you take from Johnny's house? Grandpa's car was still his sisters. >> And what kind of car was that? >> It was um a Honda SUVish. It was gray. >> Okay. >> Uh the reason why we took that car because we couldn't find the keys to my grandpa's car, but we found his sister's keys. >> Okay. So, you lost the keys to grandpa's car? >> Yeah. >> In Johnny's house, probably. Or >> Yeah, it was in Johnny's house. >> Um do you remember what you were wearing when you guys attacked Johnny's family? I was wearing Yeah, I was wearing a blue shirt. I said um it told me like good vibes only. It was like halfway to here. It had like It was blue, like a light blue, had like uh the sleeves kind of like had holes in them >> and it Yeah, it was just a light blue. And then I was wearing jeans. >> Is that what you were wearing when you got picked up? >> Yeah. When I >> What about Johnny? Which cuz Johnny wasn't wearing >> when he got to his buddy's house, he wasn't wearing many clothes. >> Uh he Yeah. When we went over to his friend's house, he was only in shorts. >> What was he wearing when he attacked his sister? >> Uh I don't remember. >> Don't remember. >> But he took all of his clothes off. Like he stripped >> and put them where? >> Um I don't remember. >> Why did he take them off? cuz he was burning like his whole body was burning so he had like he had >> like were the clothes wet with the stuff. >> Yeah. >> He had to do like a milk shower like he literally like stripped. >> Did you guys buy milk to do the milk shower? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Cuz we found a milk jug in the back of the knee. Is that >> milk car? >> Um in grandpa's car there was a lot a lot of bloody clothes. >> Yeah. >> You're telling us 100% it was just you and Johnny? >> Yeah. It was just me and Johnny. Nobody else was involved. >> No one else was involved. >> Okay. So, all the bloody clothes and everything else that that's going to be you and Johnny and you and Johnny only. >> Yeah. >> It was only you and Johnny that planned to kill grandma and grandpa. >> Yeah. >> It was only you and Johnny that planned to kill >> his family. Yes. >> It was only you and Johnny that decided not to kill your mom and dad. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Um, so when you guys changed Did you change in the house? >> I changed at his friend's house. Well, >> well, I'm sorry. Let's go back to grandma and grandpa. >> Yeah. >> Did you change at your house? >> Yeah. >> Okay. The boots in your bedroom, are those the boots that you wore? >> Yes. >> And you only have one pair of boots like that? >> Those those Timberlands Tims? >> Well, they weren't They're like knockoff t >> But yeah, those were the only shoes I was wearing. >> You were wearing them the whole time. Not the Well, when we went over the I grabbed a pair of Converse, >> too, but I wasn't wearing those Converse. >> I bet the whole time the attack on Grandma and Grandpa happened. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, and when we were riding over here, you you noticed a lot of [ __ ] that even he and I missed. Like even in his car, the what is it called? >> Starship thing. Phantom. >> Yeah. So, you noticed what his lights were called. you saw the little bumper sticker that I could barely see from the back seat like and you were talking about detectives and investigations and stuff like that. So, obviously that's what we do and we do this quite a bit. Um, and >> the thing is we can basically piece together kind of what happens based on the evidence and stuff like that, but what we never can fully explain is why it happened or what happened. um like the reasons that happened >> like why we did what we did. >> Yeah. >> I mean the main reason why I did what I did was cuz I kind of just wanted to get away from my family. >> How were you feeling? So that was your plan going into it. Killing grandma and grandpa would get you further away from your family. >> Yeah. >> When you were actually attacking grandma when you heard Johnny attacking grandpa, you said you got a rush. >> Yeah. I had like this like kind of like this rush where I was like, "Okay, like I'm ready to do this." you know, like, you know, like it's, you know, going to happen. There's no going back. >> So, >> it wasn't like a good rush. It was kind of just like kind of like, okay, like >> it's go time. I >> I got to do this, you know, like I got to I got to do what I got to do. >> No, I'm not going to pretend I'm any expert in karate or anything like that. I got a cousin who's a Filipino world champion. He's he's pretty good at what he does in whatever art form he does it in. Um, but I know a lot of it is kind of that controlled aggression. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, no lie that this was a pretty violent attack on grandma and grandpa. >> Yes. >> Were you able to kind of control your aggression based on all your training over these years? Were you angry? Were you Were you sad when it was going on? What What kind of kind of walk me through what was going in on in your head? I mean, was it like you said the rush where it's go time? I just need to do what the [ __ ] we came here to do. >> Yeah. >> Or was it like [ __ ] them, they gave me curfew, they deserved it? >> It was like, >> let's get this [ __ ] going. >> It's both. >> Both, >> honestly. Like, I mean, I stopped doing kung fu for a while just cuz, you know, my mind wasn't there. You know, I I just >> all of my feelings were and my emotions were all over the place and I wasn't able to focus. So, that really affected, you know, my kung fu. But when I was there, you know, like I don't know, like just all of my emotions kind of just like came out when it was happening. Like I was just angry and I was sad, but I was heartbroken at the same time, you know, cuz it was just like, you know, why did all this stuff have to, you know, happen with my family, you know, like why did I have to deal with all this [ __ ] you know, and it's just I I just kind of really got tired of it and I couldn't handle it anymore. Like I just kept exploding inside almost >> like I wanted to just run away and just be by myself with someone, you know, and just start my life. Like I I was just tired of being >> And grandma and grandpa were your biggest hurdles. >> Yeah. Just cuz, you know, >> is that how you saw them as your biggest hurdles to being with Johnny? No, they were my biggest hurdles because of probation. >> Okay. >> If I didn't get probation, like I wouldn't I wouldn't be in this like I don't know like probation kind of really messed me up because, you know, I was going to get a job, you know, I was going to like start getting money just, you know, starting my life. And then once I got probation, it kind of just like really messed up everything, you know, like I had to be home at a certain time and I couldn't do as much stuff as I, you know, used to do. And you know that really made me angry because you know I used to just be able to do whatever you know I wanted to you know like >> when you uh during this whole week kind of in between um you guys obviously took grandma's credit card. You swiped it a bunch, right? >> Mhm. >> Did you ever get denied >> when you were trying to swipe it? >> No. Okay. >> We tried to take cash out but then we found out it was a debit card. >> Okay. That's the only reason why we get denied. >> You got $1,000 in cash. Did you spend it all or do you have it all? >> We spent it all. >> Okay. >> On food, money, weed, >> and the money you were going to potentially get from Johnny's family was going to be what you were going to start new with. >> Yeah. >> Where where were you going to go afterwards? >> We were going to go like to Florida. >> Okay. Anywhere in particular? >> Maybe like Pensacola, Panama City. Just somewhere, you know, where we could just like escape. >> Yeah. just somewhere where we could just kind of like escape reality cuz >> I got you. >> This kind of just all I've been wanting to do for such a long time, which is >> escape reality or kill grandma and grandma. >> Well, no, no, no, not kill them. Kind of just like escape from everything, you know, just >> start my life, you know, like I don't know, like just I just wanted to move on from everything. just my family, you know, like I I couldn't be around them because just everything that, you know, we've all been through. You know, it's just so much betrayal and lies. >> Did Johnny have a similar relationship with his >> This is where the detective moves away from what happened and asks what was happening inside her mind. Cassandra describes the moment as a Russia sense that it was finally time to act and that there was no going back. When the detective asks whether she was angry, sad, or simply following the plan, she answers that it was both. That answer is psychologically revealing because it doesn't reduce the event to one emotion. She describes anger, sadness, heartbreak, and accumulated frustration occurring together. Importantly, these are her own explanations. They should be treated as her account rather than a clinical psychological diagnosis. Do >> me a favor. Got to take a look at that. That's you and him, right? Is that your grandparents house? It >> sure looks like a living room of your grandparents house. How would that be possible? >> Who's taking that? >> I have That couldn't be at my grandparents house. There was no one at my grandparents house, so that could have been at my grandparents house. >> Well, I mean, I didn't I didn't [ __ ] this out. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Who You know what I'm saying? >> I mean, it sounds like >> Let me watch it again. I got a >> That must have been before. >> Who's older? >> That might have been like Izzy or Sabrina. >> But your grandparents didn't like Johnny. So when was he at your house much? >> Like he didn't go to my house at all. Like I mean that could have been at that couldn't been at my house. It had to be at someone else's house cuz we had no one at my house. It was just me and Johnny. I mean, you've been honest with me. I just I saw that and it obviously I've been at your grandparents house. You know what your grandparents house looks like and just even the stuff said almost seems after the fact. You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> Anything else you want to tell us? Anything else you think we should know about any of this? >> Um, >> no. Quiet. Did you guys hurt anybody else? Steal from anybody else? Do anything else? >> No. We're not going to find a body in Johnny's trunk. >> No. >> The tire iron came from his car. >> Oh, I do have a question though. >> What's up? >> I got a charge for um um what's it called? Does it was Johnny's ex said I was stalking her. >> Mhm. >> How? >> Oh, I have no idea. >> You don't know anything about that? >> I don't know anything about that. Yeah. Uh Coral Bruce will be here talk to you in a little bit. Um, we're going to have somebody come up, take photos, and try to take your fingerprints. Okay. >> But if there's nothing else you think we know, >> nobody else got hurt. No body in the back of Johnny's trunk? >> Nope. >> Okay. >> This is the clearest change in interrogation dynamics. Up to this point, Cassandra has been largely cooperative. Then the detective changes strategy. He tells her directly that he believes people were inside the house and makes it clear that continued uncertainty is no longer acceptable. Instead of asking another open-ended question, he introduces his own conclusion and challenges her to reconcile it with the evidence. Cassandra's answers become less certain. She moves from denial and uncertainty toward identifying Sunshine and Alex. This is the moment where the detective's pressure appears to produce a new admission. Not necessarily because every hesitation proves deception, but because the conversation visibly changes once he confronts her with information he says investigators already possess. All >> right. Let me It's more like a Windex bottle than it is like a tub of bleach. Okay. And then Johnny [ __ ] the doors. >> Yes. >> After you bleach them. >> Yes. >> Several days after you kill them. >> Yes. >> And that was because it smelled and you were having people over. We weren't intending to have any people over. We only had Sunshine and Alex come over just that one day because we were like, you know, it was only a couple days after. So, we thought it was going to be okay. Like, it didn't smell in the house. >> Do they know that your grandparents were upstairs? >> No, >> they have no idea. >> They had no idea. I told them that they were on vacation. >> Did they go upstairs at all? >> No. >> How long did they stay there for? >> Just for like a few hours. They came really late at night. >> Who else came over? It was just Sunshine and >> you said we only thought Sunshine and Alex were coming. >> That was It was just them. No one else came to the house. >> Okay, let me ask you this then. You literally have showed no emotion towards your grandparents and I don't have a problem. Like I don't know the life that you were having and I guess I can kind of understand that you wanted to sever that part of your life and start over again. Okay. But why are you showing emotion with when I brought up sunshine? What the hell is this chick? You know what I'm saying? >> She's just a close friend. She was there most of the time when I was going through the stuff with my parents. So, she's really close to me. Not as close as Izzy though. Like, >> did Izzy come over? >> No. >> Does she know what happened? >> No. >> Did you tell anyone what happened? Not a person. >> No one knew. I told everyone that my grandparents left on vacation. >> Why were you even telling people that your grandparents left? To let them come over? >> Because my grandma kept texting everyone saying to look out for me >> to see where I was. Cuz you know, after she kicked me out, she started texting all of my friends and everyone saying, "Look out for Cassie." You know, tell her to come home. >> And then I told people I went home and then I told them that they weren't home. They left a note and the key saying that they were going on vacation for two weeks. >> Did you text anyone on grandma's phone? >> Yes. >> Pretending to be grandma? >> Yes. >> What did Who did you text? >> Just Sylvia. >> Okay. And who's that to you? >> She's a family member in California. >> Okay. So, you texted Sylvia. What did you say to Sylvia? >> She kept asking is everything okay? Because she just started freaking out like that my grandma wasn't texting her. And so I started texting her saying everything's fine. >> Where did you take grandma's phone from? Was it on her nightstand? Was it in her purse? >> It was on her nightstand. >> Okay. Did you take it before or after you hit her with the tire? >> It was like in the middle. >> In the middle. So she couldn't call 911. >> Yeah. [snorts] No, we made sure that they couldn't call 911. No one else came to the house. >> [snorts] >> It was all over the news. >> Yep. [snorts] >> Yeah. [snorts] It was just you and Johnny. >> It's just me and John. >> And after a few days, you poured bleach on grandma and grandpa to mask the smell. >> Yeah. >> So sunshine and Alice can come over. >> So then they wouldn't find out. >> And then you cocked the doors. >> Yeah. >> You cocked the front door, too. >> That was all Johnny. I didn't even do that. >> Why did Johnny [ __ ] the front door? >> I didn't even know he did that to >> He did. Well, let [snorts] me ask you this. Could you use the front door to your house before? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Did you bring the Amazon packages in or did grandma? >> I did. >> You did? Why did you? >> Cuz it didn't look obvious. Most people like to steal our stuff. >> Okay. Did you bring the mail in at all or just the Amazon? >> Just the packages that were left on the porch. >> If we call Cassie or excuse me, if we call Alex and Sunshine, they going to tell us you had a party? >> No. >> There was [ __ ] all over that house? >> Yeah, we destroyed that house. But we didn't have a party there. We We didn't have a party there. Cassie, Johnny, Sunshine, and Alex. And that's it. >> Oh, is it? >> And that video is from after, right? >> It must have been from Sunshine cuz no one else was at the house. >> I didn't even think she was recording us off her phone. >> I mean, she was. You used Snapchat? Why wouldn't she use Snapchat? >> She didn't know your grandparents were dead upstairs. >> Yeah. I didn't didn't realize she was taking a video of us. Anything [snorts] else? It only seems that you're sorry you got caught, that you had people over after. You don't seem to be sorry that you killed your grandparents. >> I am. I'm just letting you know. I'm just letting you know. Not that you need anything. The final section brings the interrogation back to control and concealment. Cassandra acknowledges that the phone was taken during the attack, so her grandmother could not call 900 and 11. Later, the detective connects the bleach, the smell, and the presence of friends inside the house. The questioning increasingly shifts from gathering information to confronting Cassandra with the implications of what she has admitted. Finally, the detective tells her that she appears more upset about being caught with people in the house than about the killings themselves. Whether that judgment is fair is for the audience to consider, but as an interrogation moment, it is powerful because the investigator openly challenges the emotional meaning of her responses rather than simply collecting.