The only thing that I can think of possibly I don't I don't know what they mean by the nose is the red part on his face is probably when I was laying on top of them the mask >> Mhm. >> that was there and I was on top of them >> was made the the red mark. That's all. Yeah. >> That's not what happened cuz earlier we talked about this what 10 minutes ago you said the mascot was back here by you. >> No I did not. On August 29th, 2016, in Daytona Beach, Florida, Jan Sachowski was brought in for questioning in connection with the death of Henry Butch Sachowski, who had died as a result of suffocation. Spoiler details are in the video description, and the full results of all charges in the case are laid out at the end of the video. >> Detective Rug said, "Well, um, there was a suspicion that they felt that you smothered your husband." like, "Oh, okay." And that the doctor had made rounds the morning and it's in there somewhere, but I don't maybe I might have one paper and he was stable in a vegetated state at 8:30 in the morning. I said, "Well, I didn't even leave the hospital till around 1:00 in the morning. My brother and I, who my brother from New Jersey flew and he stayed with me for about four weeks, you know, we we lived at the hospital. I basically slept with my husband." >> Gary, >> that was Gary, right? Um, >> is he still here now? >> No. Um, and um, the nurse that he had uh, my husband had had prior a couple times and she was very good and I there was very few that >> I felt like I could excuse me >> Terry. >> Um, yeah, I think that's her name is I'm really >> his last nurse. >> His last nurse. Yeah, the one that took care of him the night of and uh actually she was there the next night. That's when they went and talked to her. Um and you know, she said, "I promise I'll keep you posted. Why don't you just get a little rest?" Well, I'll go home, at least take a shower. I hadn't left like five days, blah blah blah. Went home and her blah blah blah. About 3:30 in the morning and just just bad feelings, you I called Terry and she said, "Jen, he's a little bit labored. It comes, it goes. I don't I don't know what to tell you. Um, you know, check back with me, you know, or, you know, obviously I will call you immediately, you know, with her." She had another case load like that. Well, I think I called her again about an hour later. And she said, "Um, I I think you should come." She said, "Um, and I promise you I will not leave his side. I will stay here with him, even if it's after the shift, and keep telling him that you love him until you get here." And I said, "Thank you very much." And that was it. And that's when I got there. And um, >> what time do you think you got there? >> I know it's been a while. I mean, >> yeah, it was >> Well, it was before the end of the shift, so she ends at 7:00. So, I would say it was probably around 7:30, 7:40 in that ballpark. Okay. >> You know, because actually her shift was not over by the time I got there. >> And um >> you know, when I originally walked in, I really didn't see a real real difference in you know, I was uh you know, obviously I couldn't see the monitor. Monitor was at the nurses station, you know, um which most of the time I insisted on that after the episode because I watched the whole uh code. I was in the room the whole time. >> Two days after the surgery, >> is that what you said? >> Yeah. And I literally was in the room. I literally watched the man go down and was screaming for help and got no help. I literally watched him put a bull socks on his finger, dropped to the floor, said it was 96. By this time, he was blue. >> Um, ER mode. Just >> 96 is good, right? Huh? Yeah, 96 is fine. Yeah. But it went on finger dropping four. Um, and um, you know, it just like I said, er mode, I click my watch. It's just an automatic thing. When you do trauma and you only have four bays and you got five people, you've got to decide, you know, not who you're going to save or who you got, but who's got a better chance of it. >> I think at that point he wasn't even my husband, you know. And, you know, I'm like, where's the code team? Is it respiratory? There was two PAs there. They kept trying to tube them and trying to tube them and you know get the tube in there. They, you know, like I'm like, will they get somebody that knows what the hell we're doing here? It was probably about five and a half minutes and um in Kart Doc. I think his name started with M. Um actually I I have his name somewhere. And um within seconds, you know, he had two of them. He had started to ventilate him but the whole time [clears throat] he was on the ventilator. He was on I mean on the um the you know the monitor he was invasively you know there was no rhythm. There was no profusion. The nurse doing CPR on him had two fingers standing at on her feet. Now my husband is a 260 lb man doing this. This was the there was nothing moving on the monitor. There was no profusion or all like that. >> So he had a definite six minutes down time. no oxygen. You know, you don't live six minutes long. I knew I lost him right then and you know, >> um and in my heart, you know, I pray >> that's going to be hard to see. I mean, let alone they were they were then they were fighting with me. You're not allowed to be in here. This and that. I'll be honest, I was not very nice. Um they said, uh you know, it's a policy and I said, you ripping it out of your effing book because I'm not leaving. >> Um I'm standing back here. I'm not bothered. And the ER doc said, "Leave her." Because by that time, I guess they had called the police. >> The police were ready, I guess, to come and take me out of there. The ER doc said, "She stays right where she's at. Leave her alone." >> All right. >> Like that. And that's was the episode. And then the next thing you know, you know, then they were moving him to CCU and the whole ordeal started. I actually thought he had a pulmonary ambolism which would have made since I see I knew they were going to give him a muscle relaxer, but I didn't a new one and I didn't know what it was because they had tried I have them in my wallet the two drugs and um but when Dr. Kent came in and this is the first time Dr. Kent ever laid eyes while my husband it was the Saturday so I guess it was his turn to make rounds. My husband's biggest frustration all the way up until he could it was he could never move his legs after the surgery. First day they said, "Well, it could be the anesthesia." >> Okay. Um physical therapy was very good. They tried they they he insisted on they actually got him on the side of bed, put you know the belt on him and the woman says it's too dangerous to move him. And of course he's like with me J you can move me. I'm like but please >> please you know you have to listen to the nurse here. you know, you know, if I go down, what's left? You know, I only have one left back in the bed, but he just just just just wasn't hearing it. You know, just why. So, apparently, I guess it must have concerned this Dr. Kent. I didn't realize it at first, and I um the day before Dr. Martin and uh Flem the PA were in the room and Butch's eyes were shut and and it looked like he was armed. You got to understand something about my husband. That's basically how he always laid like that. And they had said to um to me, well, he's obviously over sedated like that. And I said, oh yeah. And he said, okay. I said, he said, what? I said, "Could you please turn around and talk to your doctor and the PA, please?" Ask them name, rank, serial, number, date, day, uh, president. I answered everything. >> This was the morning of the Saturday, the 9th, you >> No, this was this was this was this Friday. Martin seen him. >> Okay. >> Okay. And that was like Martin thought he was overstated, so he Butch answered every question. So there are two comments where that well obviously he's not overstated but I didn't say a word I just I overstated and um but they said so we're going to try another muscle relaxer which is soma I didn't know what the drug was at that time sa um and um so actually when Dr. Ken came in. Um, he introduced himself and like I said, I I have never laid eyes on him in his life and he didn't know my husband either. >> But, you know, Butch was bitching. Um, they mount his legs and he said, "Why is he?" And I explained to him that he could not he hasn't been able to move his legs since surgery and he's really being a pain in the ass. I want full out. I want this and that. I said, "I'll be honest with you." You know, um, and you get no help here at all. I mean, you call for help. Um, I actually went home for maybe two hours because I had to let my dog out, get in the shower, throw back, which was down in the bed. I was the one most of the time pulling him up and all like that cuz I could never get any help. And I went to the nurse very nicely. I think it was like around to 12:00 at night. And I said to her, I know you guys are very busy. I said, "But if you could be kind enough, maybe if you guys could at least pull him up in the bed, I'll be back, you know, to help you." No problem. No problem. We'll do that. Well, I walked through the door. I guess it was about like two and a half hours later, three hours. And I can hear that man screaming from the elevator. >> Wow. >> And my husband doesn't complain. I mean, he is not a a a moan job. I got to give him that, you know, like that. me story. Um, I walk in the room, the man is in the same goddamn condition that he was. Full of [ __ ] >> you know, just just a mess. So, of course, I put the bed and turn Wellenberg and I'm trying to clean him with my one good leg. I'm trying to hold him over. You know, I got him cleaned up. And as I said, then um that was a previous episode that had nothing to do with anything, but that's just to give you a little sample of nursing care that he got. But um >> so the next day he goes, >> so the next day, you know, Dr. Kev comes in and he, you know, to make rounds and um Butch is bitching because his legs and um he says, "Well, he hasn't moved his legs at all." And I said, "No." I said, "They had started him on this drug first. It was a muscle relaxer. It's in the flexer field." And he got I think four doses of that. So after um on that Friday, Dr. Martin and Seline seen him and realized that obviously he wasn't over sedated, they said, "Well, they were going to try another medication on him and see if it would do better to for the muscles." >> Um okay. Um well, when Dr. Kent was in there, he like I said, he asked me some question this, you know, he hasn't been able. I said, "No." actually and PT has been here every day trying to get him up and he wants to get up and this that and he said okay you know like that and he walked out the door [ __ ] I should have asked him about whatever this other medication was so actually he was down at the corner of the nurse's hallway and he was on the cell phone so as polite of course I stayed back so that's my business you know he was who he's talking to >> and I can hear him you know saying that I want a stat MRI. I want the back. I want the thing, you know, legs. Is that no idea that he was talking about my husband? >> Yeah. >> Um, >> he gets up the phone and I said, um, I'm sorry, Dr. Again, I don't mean to bother you, but, uh, Dr. Sim and Dr. Martin said yesterday that they were going to try him on a new medication for his legs. I honestly don't know what they did, but they probably charted it. Maybe you can look. He said, "That's no problem. I'll take care of that. And I said, "Thank you very much for your time." I walk down the hall, you know, go in the room and next thing you know, stretcher coming in, this that. I'm like, "What's going on?" "Oh, your husband's going for a stat MRI." >> So now I know what he said was referring to my husband. He was very concerned of why he couldn't use his back. >> He went down for the MRI at that point. I don't know what time. I would have to look at that. Um my brother and I went outside them cigarettes >> and um I came back up into uh his room. The room was empty and a nurse yells, "We had to move him across the nurses station because he's he's really being in cooperative. He's incoherent. He's not uh you know active right like that." So I walk in the room and I'm like, "Butch, Butch, what the what the hell's going on?" And he's like, "Jan, Jan, get me out of here. The CIA's coming. He says, "Come on, you're my wife. Get me out of here." CIA. I push. What is going on here? Now, I'd be curious. I don't know between when he got back from that MRI, which I don't know exactly what time it was, to when they gave him that soma. I'm assuming it was probably within a 45 minute um span. um that you know after they ruled out that he didn't have a pulmonary ambulism which is actually what I I thought he had >> and when I realized he didn't have that I obviously knew he didn't have any type of heart attack I watched the vomitor >> um that he had allergic reaction to that soma >> okay >> that I mean that that's the only time and when I was trying to hold him and keep him from pulling his fully out keep him from pulling the IV out um looking for an amboo bag so I can at least amb him. There's no equipment in the room. I'm screaming for now. Mind you, I am right across the street from there suspicious. They're looking at me >> and this is when he goes 6 minutes, >> right? This is this was this was the scenario. Then finally, they did come in that put that pock right and finally when the ER doc got there, that's when he actually got tubed and started profusing, but it was over six minutes at that time. And then the story just goes on. >> Let's I know there's a lot in between, but let's jump to the morning of the 19th. You get there at 7:30, right? >> You left at 1 with your brother, right? You go back by yourself or with >> Yeah, cuz actually what happened was my brother was out on the deck and he was smoking and he was like that. And >> you know, I I could see he was upset and he must have just fell asleep. He didn't know I was out on the ground. He's like, "Jen, are you going to go to sleep?" Yeah. And I went in the bedroom like I was. But I I was I took a shower and I was just a nervous wreck, you know. I just I was smoking cigarettes and that's when I called uh Terry and um so when she called me, you know, >> I didn't heart to wake him up. Yeah. So I just was in my car and you know because you know at this point >> was he well who knows because no one really knew. I mean he never had really any change from really a vegetation things. Um and basically they diagnosed him brain dead without really having the proper test to be done. He was supposed to have an E uh ECG and a um what is it? It's um actually I have that test here that they normally do for um >> that's a test to determine >> to actually determine whether he is brain dead. He wasn't you could not actually call him brain dead because he still was breathing. And if you're breathing then it's somewhere at the stem is what is um usually is And that test was never done. That's why >> No, no. What happened was is um we in insisted that um my husband be moved. My younger daughter had just got in from a thing and she looked at her father and she's an ICU nurse and she was upset. She went into uh whoever that idiot was who was the manager. name Mark Mike, whatever the hell's name was. Um, and she said, you know, I want my father moved to a tertiary hospital that knows what they're doing like that. Well, no problem. We'll get him moved this and that. Social service went and they um looked into it and they said the only people only place that does these tests to really tell conclusively. EEGs will give you a basic scenario, but they're really more or less diagnosed with seizures. But Dr. um Scott felt that not only with the seizures, he really didn't do any real reflexes. He didn't, you know, pull back, but been there's all kinds of neuro reflexes that he tried every day. And he felt between that and the EEGs that never got any better. or how I was explained was they go from like 0.1 we should have seen in like a week or two of it maybe 0.13 or something like that. Well, it either stayed at 0.1 or it was lower >> but like I said my daughter was livid and so they said no problem. They said we'll have him transferred to uh Shans um in um Gainesville >> in Okay. >> Okay. So, um, apparently, um, I don't even know what day it was moved at this point here now. >> But they ended up turning him down, right? >> Exactly. And that's when she So, he never got the Yeah, cuz apparently >> What did you call it? Ee CG. >> No, no, no. I can't believe I can't find this damn thing. >> I I can get it later. It's not >> Yeah, I just I can look. You can talk to me. I can fine. >> Um, so you get back there around 7:30. Now, again, we're going back to the morning of May 19th. >> Around 7:30, 7:40ish, you get there by yourself. Okay. Correct. And you said there's not a you didn't really notice a huge change from the day before >> or from when you would Okay. >> All right. >> Breathing was a little labored. Um he was um what you want to call I would say like a a chain stoking type of breathing which usually represents um now mind you he's a diabetic and he had to have the insulin because he you know I had made him a DNR. The only thing I insisted that the tube feeding never be taken off him. I would not starve him to death and I did not want him off the monitor >> because I didn't trust him. And um >> that's the only thing I could see like that. So at that point, you know, I he had he was it's like an oxygen type of uh like a mask type of thing. I guess the best I can explain it to you. And what it does is it just gives you um humidified air just the tube into the >> right into the tube right to give him some air. Well, his bed the bed was up and I couldn't get I mean he's a big man and so I put the bed down you know to see if that you know made any difference. Didn't really make any difference. So at that point I took the um I sat the the thing off them because I couldn't get on top of them and I put it on the side which didn't make any difference one way or the other. So now you call it a humidifier, right? >> Yes. >> But the nurses they call it wasn't Wasn't he getting oxygen through that? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> I mean they can put oxygen with it. I mean >> um at that point um half the time the humidifier was empty because respiratory was never there. But that's the material too. Um >> you know they could have had one two liters. I I honestly be honest with you did not really Here it is. Did not really look um kind of um so anyway to make a long story short um I zapped that off. I climbed on top of him and you know I trying to get my arms around him and I just said Butch you know if you can hear me you know help me help me you know if you can hear me let me know something you know so I get you moved I mean I I don't know what to do you know like that you know I'll bring you home if this is what we need to do you know like just give me some kind of sign you know and um >> you know uh his bidding got or labored, but I wouldn't say labor labored. It's a hard I mean, it didn't appear to me that he was ready to die right now. You know, I mean, if I had walked in and looked at a patient at that point, um I would have I would have not been truly truly concerned. Okay. All right. Um, >> now you said, um, you put the bed down because usually the bed's up. >> It could be up, down, it depends on. He could be hanging out, >> but it was up and you you put it down. >> I put it down. >> You take the [clears throat] tube, the little humidifier. >> I don't I don't think the tube The tube is tra. >> No, no, the external, not the tube. The >> Right. He was off of bed. He He no longer needed a vent. He was breathing on his own without any O2 at over 30%, which is roomier. So, >> you take that external >> I'm going to call it a I know you didn't take Okay. So, you take that tube off. What What did you do with it? Do you remember? >> To be honest with you, if he's laying here, it snaps here. When I took it, I snapped it and I threw it here. So, it was probably laying here on his face. I don't really Okay. Didn't really pay anything. >> Down by his neck somewhere. >> Well, if it's up here and I unnapped it and I got on top of it, it would have been in this area somewhere, you know. >> Okay. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And then I was basically on top of him with my arms. >> Are you laying in the bed or >> I'm I'm basically in that bed almost, you know, with like that. >> Okay. >> Begging him to help me is basically what I was doing. >> Okay. >> And >> you said his breathing got a little bit labored, but you weren't super >> You didn't think he was dying? >> No. Okay. >> Um and Terry had said that she had just given him his >> I'm just back. when you're when you're doing this in bed with him, unhook the thing, are you are the nurses, it's just you. Are the nurses there? Are they coming and going? Do you remember what's uh is it like when you're having your moment with him, talking to him? Are you alone in the room with him? >> Um, no. Nurses came in and out a couple times to tell you the truth. Um, I honestly, >> you know, Jerry came a couple times, put her arm on me, said, you know, you okay? Like that. Um, you know, it was what opened the door. there was something shut or closed or you know I really really honestly was not paying attention to any of the surroundings. So, while you're in bed with him, you're begging him for a sign. Then what happens? >> Um, then his breathing really started chain stoking. And it's it was actually a breathing that um to me honestly uh he was going down cuz um his sugar is sugar. like that. He was he was go he was going to go under because he had no no more uh >> you know >> no more what? >> He had no more insulin in him. I guess I I don't know what was I mean only thing that I know that was ordered for him was um they were giving him the um I think first said it was two drugs. It was the only thing that they were giving him every four hours. >> Now was he still supposed to be getting his insulin? >> No. >> No. That was that was your decision. >> That was my decision. >> All right. >> Um >> he was a DNR. When you are a DNR, um you I mean there's all kinds of DNRs. That was another episode earlier, but man, it's immaterial. Um >> so no insulin just dilotted and >> versus just right. Just the pain medication type and um >> so while you're in bed with him, his breathing you said chain still. What does that mean? It's almost like you got you breathe a little bit, then you >> okay? >> And you you pause and then you take a breath and it's like you're going downhill is what you're doing. You know, you're you're on your way out. I mean, I can that's the only way I can put it. Um >> All right. Then what happens then? Um, I had my head on his turn this way watching him and I kept saying, "Butch, this is what you want. Let go. Let go. Just, you know, like that." And then um he did a couple more stoked and went out and >> Okay. >> Right. And they came in. >> You were with him. You he passed away? Was that >> I was on top of him when he passed away. >> Okay. And you realized he did? >> I And they came in and they put the the they said, "Excuse us. Can we put the um pads on?" I backed up a little bit cuz I know they throw a pad here, they throw a pad there, they hook the monitor because they have a strip, you know, of looked over and it was and um of course I was I don't know what I was. I was maybe in this chalk. I I don't I don't know what I am today to be honest with you. Um >> if you're still looking for that thing though, it's not important. I'm not >> with me. I'm like an obsessive compulsive person if you if you notice that um it just drives me crazy uh when I you know but um >> okay >> so next thing you know I went after um and Terry came in and everybody came in and Terry was hugging me you need anything like that then after they pronounced him dead they pulled the curtain and they shut the door I guess give me some time And you know, I I just >> I don't even know if I called any family members. I I'll be honest with you. I don't even know what the hell I did at that time. And I came out of the nurse's station and I said to the social worker um that um he's the guy. Actually, I had a whole sheet of paper cuz my older brother who lives in um PMPO Beach was taking care of everything for me cuz that was beyond my think that they had made arrangements with Penos to pick up Butch and they were going to inbomb him >> so we could get him home so he could have a proper because he wanted to be cremated but you know they wanted you know the the honor guards the whole non yard. So, you know, they worked out between Sals, which is in New Jersey, and here. And um I said, you know, and but they can't do anything with the death certificate. So, I had asked, >> you know, um where or how do I get the death certificate? And um nobody's answering me. No, that's my usual. Um and finally the social worker said to me, "Well, you can go down and request us medical records." I said, "Yeah, I I I I will do that, but I'm asking you." She says, "Well, um I guess that would be from the medical examiner." I said, "Well, why would it be from a medical examiner?" I said, "He's in a hospital." Yeah, you know, and uh >> yeah, no, nobody's saying [ __ ] No, I'm I'm not in actually. And I looked up and there was Dr. Martin and he looked at me and we were across and I looked at him and uh you know, I went >> and he's, you know, looked down, you know, I mean, he knows he [ __ ] killed my husband, but anyway, um >> he uh next you know, he was gone. Um, >> so they said, "Well, go down and talk to medical record." So I figured, well, maybe medical records can give me this information since obviously none of these people know what the hell they're doing. So I figure I'd go down to medical records. I talked with medical records. I signed a a paper to get all his records, blah blah blah. And they said, you know what happens is they they'll you have to give permission for them to pick up his body and take it to Penos. As soon as Penos gets it, Penos will release you a death certificate because they have to have a death certificate to be able to embomb him and ship him to Jersey. >> Walk back upstairs. Um, the nurse manager was there and another woman I assume when I glimpsed at the badge at SU. So, I guess she was the supervisor, which I would assume for, you know, that particular floor. And she said, "Um, did do you did you get all his belongings or anything?" I said, "He he has nothing there." You know, I I would carry like a shaver and stuff and I would shave him right back in our house with me. And um she says um alls I need from you and she said um is um that can we release his body to penos and I said yes. Yeah. I says and I handed her the sheet of my brother's name. I said but to be honest with you all the information that you could possibly need I call this number. My brother is aware and he will take you through. I didn't I wasn't dealing with any of this part of it. >> And she said I said, "Do you need me the fine?" She says, "No, no, no, no. Your your words fine. >> I said it." >> Um, I went back in the room for a second and I just shook my head and I got back on the elevator and uh, you know, I called Glenn to tell him that they would be calling him and I >> That's your older brother? >> Yes. Um, and I drove home and by that time Gary's like, "Where the [ __ ] did you go?" Blah, blah, blah. And and and now now he's, you know, upset. Well, next thing you know, couldn't been 10 minutes later. H probably later, my doorbell rings and um it was uh um Detective Rug and >> Rumy and Mar J. >> Yeah, I don't know who, but what's the other guy's name? Mar Jar. >> Mar. Okay. Yeah. They were at the door and I said, "Uh, can I help you?" Um, I thought they were collecting. You know, everybody always clocked in for some police. I thought that. And they said to me, "Well, can you come down to the the the police station? Um, you know, we just need to talk to you." >> I said, "To be honest with you, my husband just passed away. I I've got a hundred things to do. I like that. And then they says, "Well, can we talk to you here?" I said, "Absolutely." >> I listen to Yeah. You very Yeah, I listen to that interview. Yeah. >> They said, "Uh, can we tape you?" I says, "Yeah, I have no problem with that." So, um, Detective Rug was across from me at at my dining room table and the other detective was watching me, which I know he was watching to see whether I was there. I mean, you know, I been in a police married to a cop. >> Right. Exactly. And um >> earlier you had brought up a you said they might have even mentioned it to you um that there was questions as to a question as to whether or not um you smothered your husband. >> That was right. But that came out like after they started asking me questions and asked me what happened and basically what I just >> told you is what I told them. >> Okay. >> And um that's way halfway through that's when I said to them, "Can I ask you why you're here?" Yeah. >> And that's when they says, "Well, there were some questions on whether you [clears throat] smothered your husband." >> And I just walked out, whether I did what? And they said, "Well, where was the bed when you walked in?" >> Mhm. >> I said, "It was up." And they said, "Well, who put the bed down?" I said, "I did." They said, "Well, what about the syringe?" I said, "What syringe?" They they found the syringe in his bed. I says, "Well, I didn't see any syringe in his bed, but that's not unusual because I could find um the finger stick. So, >> you have that's you have nothing to do with that syringe. >> I I've never seen it. I have no idea what it's talking about. Um if if there was a syringe up there towards the top of him, I would assume again that that syringe was probably to inflate and deflate his um his trait too. Sometimes when it gets there, but like I said, I I have no idea cuz I didn't see a syringe. Um, and uh, and then they said, "Well, did you who put the bed down?" I said, "I did." And he said, "Well, why did you do that?" I said, "Well, because I wanted to get on top of my husband." I said, "He's a big man like this and that." And they said, "Okay." And um and and then what happened? And exactly what I told you. I unstapped the thing. I put it here, lay on top, and basically gave them the whole scenario. And they said, "Well, technically when we had got to the hospital, well, when we got to the hospital, they said we were um we came there to talk to you and Dr. Martin and Dr. Martin had gone back into surgery and apparently I guess you were at medical records and when you came back up, we missed you. >> So that's why we're here." And I'm like, >> "Okay." And um and after I got done telling the story as I'm telling it, the officer over here a couple times, I said, you know, I got pretty nasty. You know, I asked a couple people and the um the detective said, I I think I would have done the same thing. You just nice conversation. >> And um you >> he said to me, let me ask you something. um that nurse, is she work tonight? And I said, you know, to be honest with you, I'm not sure, but I think I remember Terry saying to me before I left last night um that I'm on for two nights, so you can maybe get yourself some sleep. I It's just about I I'm not absolutely sure. and next and they called me later on and said to me, "Do you know what time she come on?" I says, "Well, she's the night shift, so that would be 7:00 p.m." And I see, you know, something's wrong. I'm going to go talk to that nurse and um I don't even want to talk to Martin because this is too conflicting and I want to see what's going on. He said he wanted to go talk to the nurse and um see what she had to say, I guess, to compare whatever or what I said. And um [clears throat] he said and I don't normally go to autopsies, he said, but I'm going to go to this one because something's wrong. That's exactly his terms. He >> And who said that? The >> rug said that. >> Detective. Okay. Yes. >> So it was brought up that day. And I'm just going to ask you, Jan. All right. Did you smother your husband? >> No, I did not. >> Um you've seen death certificates before. You've seen autopsy reports. Um, I have seen I've seen a couple autopsy reports, but I'll be honest with you, they they're basically when I was like a nursing student, you know, and you got to see, you know, an autopsy like that death certificates. >> Well, my both my parents died, so I did, but I mean to say I deal with them. No. You know >> what, as a nurse for 40 years, trauma nurse, um, what do you think your husband's cause of death will be? What what do you think? What are you going to be written on the >> what what what he right what the cause of death was why he died that morning for me I mean is that what we're I mean I know basically what the cause of death was but >> if I was the medical examiner and after I got all which to me is a little bit funny because I would assume if since they took him to >> what would you call it >> um hypoglycemia >> hypog what does that mean >> um low blood sugar >> low blood sugar okay >> that's what That's the only thing possible. >> Okay. I have the autopsy report right in front of me. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> Henry Sachski is your husband. >> Mhm. >> Cause of death? asia. >> So lack of oxygen >> due to >> occlusion of nose, mouth and trace. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Manner of death, >> homicide. >> And then how Um, autopsy finding um available to complete by cause of death was no. No. Um, Sergeant Rug told me that uh they said that it had um that the part that they did right then there was no evidence of any suffocation at all is what he told me that day. And he told me and then but they have to send out a drug screen and like that >> there was there was evidence. Okay. >> [clears throat] >> And my question to you is I I think it's it's under I think it's obvious what happened. Okay. The question comes why I mean was there did you you know on the one hand you know did you set out you know from the beginning to end your husband's life or did you do it to end his suffering which >> I didn't do either one of them >> from what we've seen from what we've talked about. All right. you he went through a lot and you watching it had to have been heartbreaking. >> It it absolutely was. >> All right. >> But I guess in the back of my mind is what I really needed to know is did he have some brain function? Because it could take a long time for brain function to come back that I would bring him home and >> and and you know start with the physical therapy. I mean that was basically my question. that as for your question to to even thought to end his life, to end his suffering, to end his thing. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. >> How do you explain his nose? The only thing that I can think of possibly I don't I don't know what they mean by the nose is the red part on his face is probably when I was laying on top of them the mask >> Mhm. >> that was there and I was on top of them >> was made the the red mark. That's all. Yeah. >> That's not what happened cuz earlier we talked about this what 10 minutes ago you said the mask part was back here by >> No, I did not. Did I unnapped it from here? But then but you were gesturing towards the back towards your ear >> right this way. If you if I lay on top of them I snapped it from here and it went over here is what I said. And then I laid on top of them >> and that was the side that it was red. I said I got on top of them. I put the bed down. I got on top of them. I unnapped it. >> I threw it over on this side and I got on top of it. Which is the side that the redness was in the face? >> His just one side. All right. His the entire notes was red. All right. >> No, it wasn't. No, >> you want to see a picture? >> Absolutely. >> That's not from That's That's not from an indentation. That's not I mean it's >> Now you've got to remember over on this side my husband just had um surgery >> on his nose and um they had to do a flap because he had cancer and part of this area here. He had a flap done there which it was um not red but it was indentated and this and that. You could see the flap type of thing that he had from the surgery which was let's see it was right after November. So he had that done in like december I guess >> a nurse 15 minutes before he passed away. This his nose was not like this. Okay. His nose became like this when you were alone in the room with him. All right. Um there that's not from the you call it the humidifier. They >> I don't know what I I don't know what it was from to be honest with you. I'm just telling you that. >> All right. Well, that plays into the occlusion of the nose. Okay. >> Um it's obvious what happened there. >> Okay. That was from being pinched. >> All right. >> Now, that's you're you're saying that's from >> what other what other reason? Tell me. I mean, prove me wrong. I mean, tell me how else is that? Thanks. >> If you're if you're laying on somebody and and and and and if that piece of the mask is is laying on that part of the nose where I have my hand around them. >> Okay. Um >> I didn't really pay much attention to the whole >> I also have a sworn statement from a nurse saying she walked in the room and you were pinching your husband's nose. >> Oh, you do? >> All right. So again, is this part of some sinister plot you cooked up or was it you were just you were tired of seeing your loved one? You guys were married for how long? 40 something. >> 40 years. >> 40 years together since you were 14 years old. >> Well, I dated him since I was 14. I married 18. >> Okay. Um, childhood sweethearts. Now you're seeing him you're seeing him suffering. All right. And is that why is that why you did what you did? >> I did not do anything to I did exactly what I told him to do. I did not suffocate my husband. I did not pinch his nose. I did not cut off his air. I did exactly what I said I did. What the the the the redness and the stuff. The only thing that I can conclude that it could possibly be was the mask was underneath of me. And I'm not a small person, too. Besides that, I have no idea like that. As for a syringe, like I said, I never seen a syringe in there. And uh them nurses uh well I can go back to when they walked my hus my brother and I left the hospital and in within 20 minutes they moved my husband out of ICU, threw him down on the med surge floor, took off his um tube feeding which was never supposed to be taken off. He calls me and tells me that the doctor says that he wanted a moved at 1:30 in the morning. That was what the signature was on the chart. You're going to tell me that you called Dr. Martin at 1:30 in the morning and Dr. Martin said, "Oh yes, I think it's time to move him, Mr. House Med." And take him off to the feeding, which is >> against it's illegal to >> When did you When did you prevent him from getting his insulin? when I actually when I called um actually it should be a call report because my daughter was in the room and I didn't want her to to hear me say that I was going to make him a DNR. Um, so actually I called from my phone and I spoke with I want to say I think it was Melissa. I think the name was the nurse and of course you know I said I want to make him a DNR. Do not want the tube feeding stopped. Do want him on a monitor. I understand that no he doesn't you know it doesn't take an ICU bed. can't insist on that, but I can insist on him being on telemetry floor because, you know, I want him on a monitor at all times because, you know, I don't I don't trust them. I want to be able to see and if he does die, >> I will tell from a monitor that they killed him, >> you know, or they did something to him, you know, I can tell by reading the monitor. I was covering um my ass from what I witnessed that they were incompetent and my husband died on that nine from lack of flashy to the brain. [clears throat] >> When uh when your husband first had the surgery the hospital I he was on some pain medicine on a patient controlled pump. Do you remember that? Is that correct? Press that you're >> now are we talking about the first surgery or are we talking about the second surgery? I'm talking about this April 7th. >> Okay. >> Do you remember him being on a a they call it a the hospital calls it a patient controlled pain pump? All right. >> Um do you remember what kind of medicine was in there? >> Yes. First it was in there was morphine. >> Morphine. >> Yes. >> And then and then what? >> And then I told them that morphine because he had been on pain management before, but he really actually hadn't been on pain management for about three months or so. Um but you know he did take um oxy cotton you know for and morphine is not going to touch you if you have your brain receptors your dopamine receptors in your brain have already accepted the oxycottton type of thing that the only thing that really would work would be to laud it. I said but that's up to the doctor and he switched it right >> and he switched it. Yeah. He said you're absolutely right. He switched it. So, one that that pain pump, the patient controlled pain pump is what they call it. Um, did you ever press it for your husband? >> All the time. >> All the time. >> Yes. And now I'll tell you why I pressed it. Okay. Is my husband's fingers are very, very fat and he was in a lot of pain and he was pissed off because of his legs. So, what I was trying to do, because technically it won't deliver unless it's green, >> unless it's what? >> Unless the the little pump thing is green. I mean, you press it a 100 times and it's not going to deliver unless it's green. He didn't know that. >> So, I said to him, Butch, what you need to do is you just need to keep pushing the pump and that'll help you with your thing. And I took his thumb and I did, but he basically his hands were he was space and he had a lot of fluid in the arms. He couldn't really do that. I was doing that to occupy his mind to give him something else to do instead of concentrating on his legs. It had nothing to do with I could have you could have pushed that thing 950 times. He still is only going to be delivered 2 milligrams in an hour period. You know, it doesn't make any by pushing it doesn't give you more beds, >> right? You know, >> so if the hospital says they checked it and during an 8 hour period, you or he or some combination thereof pressed it 264 times. Absolutely. You'd believe that. >> Absolutely. >> All right. Um as a nurse of trauma nurse level nurse for 40 years, do you do you know that um pain medicine um reduces respiratory >> um >> performance? Okay. Um, does that have anything to do with you wanting to get him on more and stronger pain medicines? Were you trying to reduce his no his breathing? >> I was trying to reduce his pain and he wasn't on what you got to understand. He was on 10 milligrams of morphine with the deludit. He was only on I think a milligram or two in an hour or three every four hour period. So technically it was not even a third of the dose that they were giving him of the stronger medication than the morphine. So if you really wanted to be technical about it, the morphine was a lot stronger and would have put him under a lot faster. You know, if that was the theory that we were going on. I wasn't going on a theory of putting him under. I was going on a theory of taking the pain away. So if we go to a drug and and you give it a lot less, it still will work different on the brain itself. That was the odd thing. And obviously >> when I discussed that with a doctor, he agreed with me that I was absolutely right. And you know, I wasn't telling anybody to do anything. I'm not a doctor, you know. Um >> he agreed with me and that's when he said, you know, well, it's going to be a lot less, but we we'll try it. And I said, absolutely. That's when he did try it. That's when he came in the next day. That's when he said my husband was snowed. >> That's when I woke him up and he answered all his questions. >> So you you were asking for pain medicine to reduce his pain, take away his pain. Is that accurate? >> I asked you for the right pain medication. Right. >> Um, so again going back to a a different nurse again another sworn statement saying that uh you asked her for pain medicine not to reduce pain but to reduce his respiratory performance or something like that. Why would you phrase it that way? >> What was that again? >> That you asked for pain medicine to reduce his respiratory um performance or I forget what the word but you didn't you didn't ask for pain medicine to reduce his pain. You asked for it to reduce his respirations. >> Who asked what? >> You don't remember that? You don't remember that? >> I don't have to remember that. I was never done. >> Okay. All right. >> It was that it was probably the same guy that that um dumped my husband down in the med search floor. >> It wasn't a guy. I don't I don't know. >> When you when you lowered his bed, and you said you did. >> Yeah. >> Did you realize that that would make it harder for him to breathe? >> No, it would not make him harder. >> It wouldn't. >> It's breathing on its own. The bed was lowered a lot of times. Every time they turned him, half the time the bed was not up. He basically was all the bed was basically down all the time because they turned him from one side to another. The bed was never really up. If the bed was up a 30° angle, that was about the max of it. When I got there, they had it up about it was about 40 degrees. >> So, you don't think lowering it made it more? >> And it absolutely did not. Absolutely did. No. Um, when did you first notice your that your your husband's nose was discolored? >> I did actually after the whole thing was um when he was dead. I I didn't even notice it until I looked up at him because I really wasn't. I was just on top of him actually laying this way again where the mass was here looking in his eyes there and and and you know I was kissing them in. I was hugging it. I'm telling if this is what you want, let go. You know, if not, show me some signs, man. I'll put you back on all the medications. Help me. Help me. Help me make this decision like that. And then that's when, you know, I realized the breathing was and the next thing you know, he was gone. And then that was the bottom line. And >> so after lowering the bed, >> right, >> you get in not only in the bed with him, you get on top of him. >> You made that statement earlier, correct? >> Don't you think that would affect how he's breathing? Uh, I know when if someone were to lay on top of me or if I was obviously I'm big. If if I was to lay on top of somebody, um, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of trying to >> do you think at that point that I was thinking of laying on top of him, whether I was affecting his breathing or I was watching my [ __ ] die. I mean, do you honestly think that my mindset would have been at that point? I mean, I I you know that I >> I think based on everything, I think I think we know what you were doing. And like I said, I'm just trying to get to the to the why, you know. >> Oh, you know you know what I was doing. >> I I said I think I know what you were doing. >> Um and I think that's very that's um backed up by the autopsy report. >> Mhm. >> Um >> which Dr. Martin probably paid somebody to do it, which will be proven in in the end because it was a war between whether Martin was going to end up paying or whether the hospital was >> whether it was the hospital's incompetency, which technically really was. It was the two PAs and the three nurses in the room or you know it wasn't the surgery itself besides the one question at hand and I guess it'll always be a question at hand is why couldn't my husband move his legs? >> Obviously what happened to your husband on April 9th was beyond sad. I mean horrible what happened and for you to have to watch that watch your husband from April 9th until May 19th. Um, you know, it must have killed you to watch that to to watch your husband um go downhill like that. Um, and again, that's why I is that is that why you is that why you suffocated your husband? >> I did not suffocate my husband. I would never suffocate my husband. I loved that man with everything I had. And if it meant that I would take care of him in that vegetative state that there was a chance of maybe coming around, I would have moved hell and hide where I would have had the bed move. I actually had told social service to get me all that equipment to send it all home. >> Do um is there a life insurance policy on your husband that you know of? >> There is a life insurance policy on both. Yeah, he's had it for 17 years. >> Okay. Uh do you know the name of company that's with? >> Yeah. Um Federal Fidelities a little bit. >> It started all I they they switched through the years. >> Do you know how much money it is on on your husband? How much? >> Yes, it's same on both. It's 250,000. >> What um what bank do you guys use? Um um cancer. >> Did not that life insurance have anything to do with this? >> Have anything to do with what? >> With suffocating your >> I did not suffocate my husband. >> Cuz you see how some people could some people may think that, right? >> Some people can think whatever they want. I did not suffocate my husband. >> Where I'm asking was it >> all the money in the world would make a difference. $250,000 is going to make a difference of of of of my life because my life is nothing now. My life is a shell. I don't leave the house. I don't know what to do without my husband. >> I mean, I went from my first prom, my first catillion, my first everything in my life >> was with this man. >> And I, you know, I have a sprinkler system right now that I'm about ready to kick in because I can't figure out how to work the goddamn thing. You know, I'm up on a ladder changing lights, you know, on my pool. don't really get any help, >> you know, but you know, it's me, myself, and I. What can I say? You know, I, you know, I really all I really wanted, I mean, the life insurance meant absolutely nothing. I just wanted to have that part of it got over with to be honest with you. And to have Morgan and Morgan show, I mean I mean it's it's clear as day. I have all his records. you know that that they killed him on that night. I mean, it's written in black and white. I have the consults. I have everything. I have it highlighted in red that he had the ER doc itself said that he his downtime was six minutes when he got there. I talked to the ER doc later on to thank him for what he did and he he was just still appalled that it took that long. I mean, there wasn't even a shadow of a doubt that they But for my kids, you I knew in my heart I lost him that day. I I >> call from Nicole. >> Do you mind if I get it? >> Can you just give us some of this? Yeah. [music] [music] >> There we go. Um, I'm not doubting anything. I'm not doubting, you know, what I'm not doubting your love for your husband. Um, you know, like I said, what happened to your husband was tragic. You know, to to watch him go through that on on April 9th. Um, but we need to come up with an answer for for the the official medical exams report. Okay. Um, you know what Piki is? >> Yes, I do. >> Okay. Um, you know what that when that usually results? >> This right here. >> But if it was to re if it was to show up in someone's mouth, do you know what that usually means? sticky on your mouth. You bit your mouth. You could have bit the side of your mouth. You could have hit the side of your face. Um I get that a lot because my skin is very fragile. This is particular eye right here. >> Or you being suffocated? >> Uh not usually. Usually suffocation. Uh bulging of the eyes. Um I mean I really haven't done very many. Uh I mean I'd have to get a textbook out to really tell you the clinical signs of it. I know one of them is basically um I would think it would be um with your eyes itself. It would have to have something to do with the the retina or something like that because the eyes itself is where you know the oxygen where your your main uh blood supply starts and comes down. But, you know, I mean, unless you gave me a textbook or architect, I mean, it's been a long time since, you know, I >> I mean, it's not a a common diagnosis that I ever really. >> All right. Um, >> anything else you want to say? Well, where is um this investigator that you sent over here? So basically, you got me here on when when I asked you that whether I would need a lawyer, you knew all that this was, you know, and I'll be honest, I'm I'm a little disappointed, you know, because I I really thought that if there was something or whatever that, you know, somebody would have said something or you know, he gave you know, you know, that this is what you know, people are thinking which is did not happen. You know, I take a lie detector test. I'll take anything you want. You know, it does make a difference. But yeah, did notificate. My husband did not have it in my mind. Never even thought about it. You know, you know, this to me is just and now I can't even have they allow them to cremate my husband. I can't even have now my own independent examiner do that because this is a lie. This is not true. I think Martin that woman >> call from Nicole >> Jan Sochowski was charged in August 2016 in Valuchia County, Florida with secondderee murder in the May 19th, 2016 death of her husband Henry Sochowski at a Daytona Beach hospital. The case never reached a verdict. She was released after posting bond in September 2016 and a pre-trial hearing was set for July 10th, 2017. On May 25th, 2017, she was found dead at her Palm Coast home during a wellness check. Authorities reported nothing suspicious and did not suspect foul play. Because she died before trial, there was no conviction, no sentence, and no parole or supervision determination, and the charge ended with her death.