So, you're over there by the car with the water. Is that before this the stuff got scattered all over? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, how did it get scattered all over? Cuz I I I guess it sounded like after you did the water, he got up, came towards you, you punched him. Is that when you hurt your hand? >> On April 19th, 2021 in St. Cloud, Minnesota, Lindseay Ray Shelk Miller was brought in for questioning in connection with the death of Justin Allen Burge, who had died as a result of a stab wound. Spoiler details are in the video description and the full results of all charges in the case are laid out at the end of the video. >> Partners told me that it sounded like you wanted to tell us what happened today. Okay. And uh you also wanted us to see some video or something. Okay. Um so but before I can ask you any questions obviously cuz you're in here. Okay. I do want to advise you of your rights. Okay. And then I'm not saying you're under arrest or anything like that. I but just because you're in here um I want to make sure that you understand your rights. Okay. >> Okay. Lindsay, you do have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to an attorney before being questioned and to have an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford to hire um an attorney, one will be appointed without cost to you before any questioning if you wish. Do you understand what I've read to you? >> Yes. >> Okay. And having these rights in mind, do you wish to talk with me? >> Sure. >> Okay. Okay. Um Lindsay, can you um tell me I I understand there's some video you want us to see? >> Um yeah, I think my my camera might have cut. >> Oh, like a surveillance camera. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. How do how would we view that? >> Um on my my cell phone, I can access it that way. >> Is it like under an app or something? >> Yes. >> Okay. What's the Is there a passcode on your phone? >> Yes. >> Okay. What's that? >> Um, it uses my face. >> Your face? >> Okay. Is there a Can you punch one in? Like on mine? I If my face is covered up, I can punch in a code. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> What's that code? >> 242 753. >> 242753. Okay. Um, now once I'm into your phone, what's the app that the video would be under? >> Um, Night Owl. >> Night Owl. >> Okay. And under Night Owl, um, under Night Owl, is there a passcode you got to put in for that? >> Yes. >> Okay. What's that passcode? >> Um, 1540, capital C as in Charlie. >> Okay. lowerase A M like Mike, S like Sierra, Tamps. >> Tamps. Okay. So, capital C lowerase A M S. >> That's correct. >> Okay. Anything else I need to know to get into there? >> Uh oh. If it my usern pops up or it's already saved in there. >> It is. Okay. What's your username? >> But if it's not, then it's Sergeant Shell Trek. >> So, is it SGT or is it >> It's spelled out. >> Spelled out. Okay. [snorts] And then same as your the first part of your last name. >> Yes. >> Okay. Is it uh hyphenated or is there a period or is there just a space? >> Um it's shell like se shell >> um between sergeant. >> Oh, there's no space or anything. >> Oh, it's all one running word. Yes. >> Okay. And then it's s h e l l t r a c k. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, that should be all I need to get in then. >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Um, how many cameras do you have on the house? >> Um, four. >> Okay. Four cameras. >> Okay. Maybe maybe five, but I think the batteries are dead in that one. >> Okay. Now, who all lives at the residence with you? >> Just myself. >> Just yourself? >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> My boyfriend used to live with me. >> Justin used to live with you? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, how long have you and Justin been together? >> Um, maybe two years and two. >> Okay. Two years. >> Um, what do you guys consider yourself? Boyfriend, girlfriend, fiances? >> Just boyfriend, girlfriend. boyfriend, girlfriend. Okay. Um, so can you start at the beginning of the day, like this morning when you woke up, and go through your day events for me and tell me what what all happened and things like that. Um, I'm trying not to be emotional about it. >> Sure. I I understand. I'll give you a Oh, you got a box. [laughter] >> Okay. >> Yeah. You know, >> um [snorts] just nobody kind of been on the rocks lately. >> Okay. >> Um I thought he was cheating on me. [snorts] They're kind of arguing about that. Um, [snorts] I remember [clears throat] it came over this morning. What time went up? Um, >> would that maybe be in your phone? >> Yeah, I use my phone a lot to like >> timeline and >> Sure. >> look at my text message and then look at the video, you know, like to help me refresh and like what happened. >> You think it was early or kind of midm morning, late morning? >> Um, it was [snorts] like maybe 7. >> Okay. I want to see the sun. It was light outside. >> Okay. >> Um um >> so he came over and then what happened? >> Thank you. >> Um he came inside. Um he went to my bedroom. He laid on my bed. >> Okay. Um he wasn't over very long and then I um [clears throat] started getting a little like he went out of heated but I just tell him why don't you try like I I made changes for a relationship and he really haven't and just full of excuses [snorts] anyway. sleep got outside and he started to leave. He left and he went outside and his his tire was flat and so he um he started I don't he had a hose or something that he was trying to connect to it and um told him to come inside the and he was angry angry. he came before he started using the hose and stuff and [snorts] uh screamed at me about um his tears being flat and I don't know who did that and um he went to I don't know what the hus was but um came back in knocked on the door again and said >> [snorts] >> uh give me a ride to O'Reilly's. And so he went to O'Reilly's. [snorts] He got some pizza flats. And then um of course he's he's thinking he his tires. She's yelling at me the whole way there on the way back. [snorts] And then we get back and um probably still arguing about the same thing that repeats over and over. And I ended up dumping my bottle of water on him while he was still on his wheels. Oh, first I just and then I dumped some on the back of his back and he got up and he came towards me. like all pissed off looking and I threw an empty water bottle at him and then he threw a can of pop at me and like I went like this but still at me and then I was like he was trying to I'm walking backwards and he's coming towards me. I like punched him in his chest and I punched him, you know. Um, I don't I'm making my way towards the alley and I'm screaming something would come up. [snorts] Um, I don't I don't remember how we ended up on the ground. I pulled out my so right after you threw the can in my head. Okay. I don't know. I'm going to stay away from you. He got the from me and he raised me back. and he's like over the top of me and I pull out my knife and popped it up. [snorts] It ended up hitting him. >> So, where were you when when you said he's over you? Where were you? >> On my back on the ground. >> Okay. >> In in the parking lot. Like where in the parking lot or in the alley? In the alley parts. [snorts] >> Okay. Were you more I guess near the vehicles or farther towards the downtown side towards the 15th Street side? >> We were like in the middle of the alley behind my neighbor's garage there. >> Okay. You're talking the garage across the street. >> Yeah, across the alley. [snorts] Okay. And then he we we we stood up and we left all our stuff on the ground. And we took a little test towards the cars and started picking up my stuff. And [snorts] he told me that he knew he was stabbed. He's like, "You he you stabbed me?" [clears throat] [snorts] And then he like sat on a kind of [snorts] he sat on the ground behind my car or in front of his car and then I could see like the blood in his shirt [snorts] and been bleeding. So I took my shirt off and I put it on and I put pressure on it and I called 911. my neighbor came out. [snorts] That is what happened. Okay. Um, so let's start back at the beginning. Um, you said he came over and he came [clears throat] in and then he went out to leave after your argument got heated. Was there any point before he went to leave that you went outside? >> Can you say again? Was there any point? Okay. So, he you said he came over, came inside, he lay on your bed, >> and then you said he went to leave at some point. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Do um before he went to leave, did you ever go outside? >> Yeah, I did. >> Okay. >> Um I went to get something out of my car. Um my backpack with my yarn in it. >> Okay. Were his tires flat out that time? I didn't see I didn't notice the must have been cuz he left like [snorts] just not even 5 minutes after that I think. >> Okay. So, he came out, saw him flat, came back in mad. >> Um, what types of things was he saying to you? He banged on the doorway and I was like, I'm going to uh he thinks he knows who did it and so he's telling me that he's going to hurt that person cuz that four could flat tires and [clears throat] I remember he's saying that he thinks I was in on that and Um, I don't know what else. >> I told him I don't know who did that. >> Who did he think did it? >> Um, my friend, [snorts] um, Evan. >> Evan? What's Evan's last name? >> Walker. >> Evan Walker. >> Mhm. >> Do you know if he did do it? >> No, I don't know. >> Was Evan around or over there? >> Um, he was last night >> at your place. >> Mhm. >> Okay. [snorts] Did you see him this morning or when did he leave? >> Um, he left at like like early early this morning. >> Like before I was up. >> Okay. [snorts] Okay. So, um, now you're saying Justin came over after the sun started to come up. Um, I think the sun was up. [clears throat] >> Okay. So, how long before Justin came over did Evan leave? >> Uh, hours. >> Okay. Okay. Do you know who what happened to his tires? No. >> Okay. You didn't do it? >> What? >> You didn't do it? >> No. I [clears throat] didn't notice him when I went out there, but he used to park really close to my car. >> Okay. >> So that our vehicles can fit in my parking lot. >> Okay. Um, so [clears throat] then you said you guys go to O'Reilly's. Is that right? Yes. >> Which what Riley's did you go to? >> Uh one on 10. [snorts] I think it's 710. Like we go through we go through soccer. [snorts] The So the one over by Wendy's and Clover Leaf Trailer Park or did you go to the one that's on [snorts] Benton Drive there? [sighs] >> Um I'm not really familiar with State Club, but um there was a McDonald's right there. Okay. So, buy a McDonald's. >> Yes. >> Do you know about what time you went there? >> 89. >> Okay. [snorts] Um, so then you go there and he buys You said fix the flat. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And that's those cans that are laying out there in the parking lot. >> Yeah, there's four cans. >> Okay. And so he's then you said he's down doing something at the car or doing trying to fix fill the tire or something. >> Yeah, he has a yellow hose out. I don't know what something yellow hose. >> Okay. And then what? And then what happened like when >> you said you did something with water? Oh. Um, I picked up my garbage can and he I don't know. We were arguing the night before and he went over my garbage can and knocked it down. So, I was picking that up and um he said something, but I took the cover off my water and I kind of like threw some of the water at it. >> Okay. So, like that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, and what did he do then? I don't remember when he started coming at me. >> Was there two water incidents? >> Yeah. >> Okay. When was the second one? >> Like within like 2 minutes of like 5 minutes maybe of that one. I squirted it at him and then I said exchange words and I like dumped some down on his neck. >> Okay. [snorts] So, when you're saying squirt, you you had like a like a bottle with like the like a squeeze top, >> right? >> I took the whole thing up, not just popped up. I just took the whole thing up and did a squirt. >> Okay. That was the first time >> and then the second time you dumped it on. >> Yeah, cuz it was almost >> Okay. >> So, the [snorts] last few drops at the bottom. Okay. >> I went it was three times. >> Okay. >> I squirt like or squeezed the bottle at him once and then and again and then it was almost gone. So I dumped the dumped it down the neck last bit. >> And was he still down working on the tire when you did that or was where was he? >> Um windows. >> Yeah. When I dropped when the drops went down the back of his neck. He was working on the tire. He started down >> and then he stood up and then he came up after me. >> Okay. So, when you dumped it on him, what were you what did you think he was going to do when you were dumping the water on him? >> I hit the bottle out of my hand and throw it at me or >> Okay. Um, so then he gets up and so I Let me go back. When you were dumping water on him, how did you feel? >> That guy's being bald. He kind of I was frustrated. >> Okay. Would you say that you were angry or upset? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So then you get him once or twice with the water bottle. Then he stands up and can you describe for me what you see, what you're feeling then? Um he was like I remember like going backing away from him because he got up really mad. >> Sure. >> And uh he was coming towards me. Oh my god. I just wanted I was expecting to be that that way. So I kind of backed away and went around my car [snorts] and then he threw a can at my head. So what were you feeling at that point? >> Scared. So I when I pulled my get away from me. Stop. Get away from me. Leave me alone. >> Was what type of can was was this that he threw? >> Was a full can of pop. It wasn't open. >> An unopened can. Do you know what kind it was? >> Like a generic diet coke, I think. Or >> generic diet coke. Okay. So, he he throws this can pop at you. How close is he to you when he throws this? >> I was at the side of my car and he was at the hood about half a car length, 3/4 car length, something like that. >> Yeah. He was at the front of my car, which is from here to that wall. >> Okay. And so he throws it. Where does it hit you? I went like this and I hit me right in the top of my head >> right on the top. [snorts] Okay. So then what happens? >> Um I think that's going to pull underneath. >> Okay. And where'd you pull that out from? I carry it like I wear it on a belt. >> Oh, so it clips onto your belt or something? >> It's like a fanny [laughter] pack. >> Okay. [snorts] And it's inside the fanny pack. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> And my life I I carry those with me. >> Okay. Um so then you pull out this mace and what happens? He He I He was over by his car. What was he doing? He was Was he throwing stuff at me or I remember I like was struggling to get it out and I got it out really fast. I don't remember. Like I don't think I I tried to mace him, but I don't know if I hit him with the mace. >> Okay. So, did he was he did he back away and he was doing something else or what happened at the time that you were macing him? Did you like run up on him or did he was he still in front of you or what happened? Um I I don't remember. I remember like trying to repeat him to whatever he was doing to get me. So I remember like he's I don't know. I don't remember like that and between that and like ending up on the ground is like it happened fast. I don't remember. It was. So when you spray him, are you spraying at his face or his back or what? >> For his face or >> Okay. So he was facing you, >> I think. So part part of the time. Part of the time he was kind of turned. >> He was picking something up or >> I don't It's getting like foggy. >> Okay. Do you know if he was by the car when you missed him or was he out in the alley or where was he? >> I think we were by the vehicles him. How were you feeling at that point? >> Um, I kind of was thinking that that would make him go away. >> Okay. So, is it that you're still angry and pissed off or is it that you're afraid or what? >> Scared like he um I don't really see him like that angry and he kept coming, you know. He wouldn't he just leaves, you know? >> Yeah. He's coming at me, which is scary. >> So, when you're looking at him and he's coming at you, what do you see? Like, what's he doing? What's he saying? >> Like [snorts] like scary mad like that. >> And how how what like what were you seeing on him that gave you that that feeling? >> His chest and his arms coming forward. >> What did his face look like? angry. >> Was he saying anything to you? >> I don't remember what it was. Okay. So then after you m him, what happens? Um um there's some kind of I think that's when I went to the ground. >> Can you tell me how that happened? >> That's what's kind of like blurry like it could happen fast. [clears throat] I >> know. Like he took the maze from me. He got the maze from me. He didn't on top of me. Like there wasn't much left in it, but he he [snorts] got me with the maze and Where did Where did he get you with the nurse? Um, I don't know if it drops landed over here or I don't think it hit me like directly. >> Didn't hit you directly >> in my face, but like it got on me. >> Okay. >> And like after I started crying and stuff and it started then I started feeling it on me. >> Okay. So somehow he comes at you, you fall to the ground, get knocked to the ground somehow. >> Okay. What are you feeling at that point? >> Scared. >> Scared. What did you think he was going to do? >> Like hurt me. Like like he never like like he didn't have control. You should just leave. [snorts] >> What was was he saying anything? I don't know. >> Was he yelling or talking or not saying anything at all? [snorts] I don't remember. I know. I was screaming like hoping somebody would come out, you know, [laughter] like running away from like dancing around the park at night, you know. Do you remember what you were screaming? [snorts] >> Just don't worry to come out. >> Okay. >> Stop. Maybe. I don't know. Get away from me. >> So then you said he gets the mace from you and he squirts it and it kind of You said it kind of got [snorts] over by your side somewhere. That's where you motioned or >> when he was like up it kind of squirted on that side of me, >> but I didn't feel [clears throat] it in my face. [snorts] >> Okay. >> But I I could feel it like I got >> Was it like the stuff in the air yet that you were? >> Yeah, that's cuz I inhaled it or something and I could tell that bottle was empty. >> Okay. Um, so at that point, where where is he? You're laying on the ground. He takes the mace and he goes to to spray you with it. It it's over on the side. Where's he? [snorts] >> He's like standing like kind of straddle over me. >> Like one foot on each side of you. >> Yeah, but more down to my to the side. Or is it Are both feet on on your right side then? I don't know. He was I don't know. It's like spread all over me. [snorts] >> Okay. So, is he on his feet though? >> He was on his knees and was on his feet. I just remember like seeing him like like standing over me. >> Standing over you. >> Okay. >> Standing over and bent over. >> So, you're you're saying like this? >> Yes. >> Okay. And I'm laying right there. >> Okay. So, your head would be up that way and I'd be down here. >> Yes. >> Kind of close. Are you is he more by your knees or feet? >> Um [snorts] I don't remember. >> Okay. Um then what happens? I just kind of [clears throat] what I remember being like close to my close to me where like I almost couldn't get my knife out. And I told him, "Get out and get my knife out." He must have been on me. Still on his feet, though. >> I don't know. [clears throat] >> What are you feeling at that point? >> Trap like can't get away. [snorts] >> What did you think was going to happen? I thought he was going to I think he kicked me. I thought he was going to punch me. I felt like he was going to like continue hurting me like and have a direct hit, you know? Did he punch and hit you? [snorts] I don't know if you need me or kick me or Where was that? >> When I was down on the ground. >> Where was that? Where was that? >> Yeah. Where would he have kicked you or [snorts] need you? >> Like on my left side. >> Like are we talking down here? Down by your hip. Where are we talking? >> Like my arm. I >> so like on the side of your arm. >> Yeah. Like on the side of my arm. >> Okay. >> I feel really tired. Like draining. Like it's hard to like when I've been drained all day. It's hard to think remember this. >> Yep. And then >> to remember, you know. >> Yep. Nope. I totally understand. So then after he does that, you're telling [snorts] me that you told him that you're pulling your knife out. What's he saying? What does he say to that? >> I don't I don't remember. [snorts] I don't think I know. I know. He was like on me like I don't know if he's on his feet or on his knees, but he was close to me to where it went like that. What? How did you do that? You're So I I'm laying on my back [snorts] >> near me. >> Yep. >> Do I use my right hand or left hand? >> I took it out of my pouch here. >> Okay. >> Opened it. I think I put it in my left hand and went like that. >> In your [snorts] left hand? >> And I'm right-handed. Okay. >> Cuz what's he right here or something? Maybe [snorts] to open it. >> So you think it's in your left hand? [snorts] >> I think so. With my right. >> Okay. >> I remember opening up it all the way. >> And [clears throat] then what type? Can you demonstrate for me what you do with it? >> I like that. >> Like this? >> Just like that. >> So the blade is coming out between your thumb and your pointer finger. [snorts] This the blade. >> Okay. So, it's now if I do this. Let's see. You're thinking left hand. If I do this, it's like that. [snorts] >> Yeah. Like that. It went across his body. I didn't want to You did what? >> It went across his body to his left side. [snorts] Okay. So, if he's leaning over you, let's see. His left side's over here. So, you go like that. Am I I'm doing that right? Yeah. Okay. How many times did you do that? Once. >> And at the time that you did that, what were you thinking? >> Get away. Get away. [snorts] >> Okay. What was he doing at the time that you did that? >> I don't know. I don't mind. I don't know. [gasps] What did you do after you did that? >> It's okay. Take a take a minute. Okay. Take a minute. [clears throat] We both got back to our feet. He was picking stuff out of the ground. >> He was picking stuff off the ground. all of our stuff that was in our pockets and [snorts] and whatever else was um on the ground. His wallet, cigarettes, lighters. And then what happened? I picked up a couple of my items [snorts] and he he took a couple of his items and he walked towards the back of the front of his car and [snorts] he kind of like fell or sat down kind of both he didn't really fall it but he didn't really just [snorts] sit down and then I seen the blood coming out of his >> [snorts] >> Okay. [clears throat] [snorts] Um, so then that's when you said you started rendering aid to him. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And what kind of aid was that? [snorts] >> Um, [clears throat] I I took my shirt off and put pressure on on the wound. >> Okay. Now when you are laying there and you get do that motion, what was your intention? [snorts] was just to maybe make him give him like a warning like get away. Okay. [snorts] And you know, do you remember anything that he was saying or doing at that time? [snorts] >> I don't remember. Okay. >> And you're on your back when this happened? >> Yes. >> And that's in the alley. >> Yes. >> Okay. [snorts] Can you tell me about your guys' relationship? You guys, you said you've been together about 2 years, boyfriend, girlfriend. Can you tell me what it's been like the last, you know, year? >> Rocky. >> Okay. [snorts] What does that mean? Um uh he used to get like jealous of my male friends who would come over and hang out with me. Um they were my friends before I met him. Um he'd hung out with my friends a few times, but there came a point where he didn't want me to hang out with them anymore. I feel a lot more. [snorts] And it took a little a little while for me to [snorts] tell them that and to, you know, tell them not to come over anymore. And um [snorts] oh eventually uh Justin started to hang out with this Brook chick [snorts] to make me jealous. So, I know how it would feel to be, you know, put into the bottom of the list or like I don't care about his emotions or he's been doing a lot of [snorts] um get me back kind of things. [snorts] Somebody's coming over then come over [snorts] and so the last 8 months or so been really rough. I'm trying to make changes for the relationship to work. >> [snorts] [snorts] >> we'll talk and you know this is what I need you to do you know can you help me help us [snorts] text me once a day you know and then like the next day he he wouldn't he didn't so then I text him like you know I can't do this anymore >> [laughter] >> just that like the same as [ __ ] on and on and on and on, you know, he doesn't text me and then I come pick up with him and then and then he comes and I I stay with them, you know, I go back to him. [snorts] Um, what [snorts] has have you has there been other violence in your guys's relationship? [snorts] >> There's been a couple altercations yet. >> Okay. Can you tell me about about [snorts] those? >> Um, is the 3rd of July, I think. [snorts] Well, I know it was the third of July. >> Okay. [snorts] I don't remember what we were arguing about. Probably the same crap. Uh, [clears throat] he's not very good at communicating. And then he thinks I'm bitching when I when I get mad cuz he doesn't text me or answer or respond. And I'm like, "Well, what do you think I'm I'm thinking when you do that? Your behavior says you're probably cheating or talking to somebody else. You're doing something that I would be happy with." >> Yeah. [snorts] Anyways, so we're arguing and then he get he got up. We're we're in my bedroom on my bed arguing. Um he gets up to go outside to smoke a cigarette. And I waited a couple seconds so he doesn't think that I'm like wait what you doing where you going kind of things. Anyways, [snorts] um I get to the door and he opens it and he opens it really hard up and it hits me part of my body and I fly back. When he hits you with with >> with the door >> with the door. Did he know you were there? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you fly backwards >> and then um [snorts] um I just I started hitting him in his legs and stuff when he was going up the stairs trying to [snorts] trip him. And then he he ended up grabbing me by my throat up against the wall in the stairwell like with one hand or two hands or [clears throat] was with one hand. The other hand was on the wall the door [snorts] >> and that's coming up the stairs to leave your apartment. >> Yeah, it's like a split level. >> Yep. So, you know, that sound it really does that when you can't help it. He let me go and I screw up open a ball on the floor right there was crying and he just we just sat there in silence breathing heavy for a couple minutes and we both stood up gathered ourselves and went outside as a cigarette. So did you pass out at all? >> I don't think so. >> Okay. [snorts] Did he lift you off your feet or were >> Yeah, my feet went on the ground. >> And how long did that last for? >> Um [clears throat] I don't know. So when he came over today, did you guys did were you guys texting or calling each other before that? >> Yes. >> Both or He we normally text but text but I did have a conversation with him on the phone earlier. >> Okay. [snorts] So you texted and called earlier before he came over. >> Um texting >> texting. Okay. >> We had one phone conversation earlier that night like 10:00 or something. >> Okay. Last night >> [snorts] >> Um, another time. Did that ever get reported to the police? No. [snorts] >> Okay. >> [snorts] >> I always, you know, always two two times I'm like, should I call the cops? What should I do? Should I call somebody? I don't want the cops over here. Cops over [snorts] No, the hood. [snorts] >> So, in that occasion, did you do anything to him? [snorts] >> Like after he hits you with the door or anything? >> Yeah, I hit him in the legs. >> Okay. With with what? >> I bit him. [snorts] Um, >> did you hit him with something or >> Yeah, it was a piece of or was it what are those things called? Um Oh, [clears throat] the sharpener. >> Oh, what? >> The sharpener. The knife sharpener. >> Like the stick kind or >> Yeah. Yeah, the stick. Yeah, the long stick with the handle. [snorts] >> I was I hit him in the legs with that. How many times did you hit him? >> Um, I don't know. Maybe three. [snorts] >> And then you said you you bit him. Where'd you bite him? [snorts] Think of it later. Just answer or something. >> Okay. [clears throat] And was that before he choked you? >> Yeah. >> Was there more times that there's been physical stuff between you two? >> Yeah. >> When was that? [snorts] Um maybe like a couple months before or after what might have been before because he left he moved out July. >> He moved out in July after this incident. >> I was after he's moved in out like a few times. A >> few times [snorts] [clears throat] but it was kind of close to this July period. Um, again, it was in the fall, but it was cold out. [snorts] >> Okay. So, in the fall, so probably after July then. >> Yeah. >> Okay. [snorts] And what happened then? Um, he picked up a the laundry basket [snorts] and like shove me, lift it up against the wall and pin me there >> like that. [snorts] >> He picked it to the bottom was at me and shut me. >> Okay. >> And held me there. >> What did you do? Um, there was this a base I picked it up and I threw it at him. [snorts] He got it and threw it back at me. >> Was it like a glass vase or a metal vase or pottery? >> It was glass. It threw it and it broke and >> on [snorts] you or on the wall or ground hit me and hit the wall. bounced off. You [snorts] hit the wall >> and it broke and [snorts] we left right after that. [snorts] >> [snorts] [snorts] >> Have there been more times of violence? No, that's that's pretty much it. Okay. [snorts] Is there anything else that happened today that we haven't talked about yet? Okay. [clears throat and cough] Is there anything I can get you? >> No, thank you. >> Okay. Um, I'm going to go check and see where the status of this whole investigation is right now. Okay. And then if I have any other questions, I'll come back in and talk with you quick. Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Okay. I'll be right back. >> [clears throat] >> How's it going? >> Exhausted. >> I bet a lot of stuff happened today. >> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Um, do you know which knife it was? Apparently there's multiple knives laying there. >> I put it on the back of my car. >> Okay. Is it a silver one or a black one? Silver and black. >> Silver and black. Okay. >> Silver and black. Um >> I think whichever one was on the back of the car. >> Yeah, there I think there's two of them there. There's an all black one and then there's one that's got silver and black on it. >> I think cuz I kept two in my pouch on my >> Yeah. >> waist thing and it's where I got it from. >> Okay. Do you know which one of those it is though? >> Okay. >> Not until now you ask. >> Okay. So, it's one of the two that's on the back of your car. Whichever there was only one on the back of my car. >> Whichever one that was. >> Okay. >> On the back of my car. >> Okay. Um, what was I going to ask you? Oh, so did how did he end up coming over this morning? Did you when you guys you said there was some texting going on, did you invite him over or did he just show up or how did that work? Um, sometimes he just shows up as soon as I invite him. Um, try to leave her. >> I think he just showed up that morning. >> This morning? He just showed up? >> I think so. >> Yeah, I think he did just show up this morning. >> Okay. What were your text messages about or what was what were what was on your text messages with him before he came over? Um [clears throat] I um texted him cuz I thought that he cuz he's supposed to know he cheat on me. >> Okay. >> But I think he was paying this this um female for jobs. >> Okay. So, >> so that's what was the that was the text messages or >> Yeah, it was like I I asked them kind of accused asked accused him to try to get a response to see what response I would get. >> Okay. >> And [clears throat] uh he uh his response made it seem like he was guilty. [snorts] >> Okay. >> He said truth hurts. Yeah. And was that still over text message or was that and and then after that he showed up more text in there. >> Okay. >> Then he started then he started denying it. Um >> he's all about texting. >> Sure. >> So there's tons of texting from him. So then did you say just come over or did he say I'm coming over or what was how did that work? Um I don't remember. >> Okay. Um now your subscription for or how how does that work with your with your cameras? Do you have like a monthly subscription and how long do the videos stay that you can go back and watch them? >> Um for No, I don't think there's a Well, there's no subscription. It's just an app. >> Okay. So, how long do they stay on that app? Like, now I can go back and watch this for you and and see what you're telling me. >> Um, I'm not sure. Might be a week or maybe 30 days. >> Okay. So, it's longer than just a day, >> right? >> Okay. Okay. So, here's a picture that um the other investigator sent me. This is on the back of your trunk. And then there's this one on the back of your trunk. Yeah, those two. >> Okay. >> Do you know which one he had? >> No. >> Not sure. >> No. >> Okay. >> I thought >> Yeah. Okay. Why? >> Well, we want to we want to make sure we know which knife it was. >> Does it have blood on it? >> I'm not sure if it does. You know, a lot of times, so I've seen it before where if they go in and out real fast, that's before the the blood gets to that wound >> cuz it's so fast. So, I've seen times where there isn't much blood on them, and it takes uh some testing to figure that out then. So, I was just curious if you knew which one it was. Okay. [snorts] So, when you guys are inside and he's laying on your bed, what else does anything else take place in there? [snorts] Like what? >> Like I mean is there anything else that happens in there or does he get up from you? You said you go outside to get something from your car. What was it that you got from your car? >> Uh my backpack. >> Oh, okay. That's right. You said something about a backpack for >> crochet. >> Okay. Your crochet stuff. >> [snorts] >> Okay. Um, there's a little red box cutter type type folding knife that's laying on the in the parking lot out there. Where did that come from? Look at Justin's. >> Okay. >> I [clears throat] don't know. A lot of our stuff was I don't know. Look at the alley. >> Sure. >> I don't know if it was his pocket or >> How did the stuff get spread out all over? That's from a star scramble on the ground. I'm like trying to remember like >> So you you guys So you're over there by the car with the water. Is that before this the stuff got scattered all over? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So how did it get scattered all over? Cuz I I I guess it sounded like after you did the water, he got up, came towards you, you punched him. Is that when you hurt your hand? >> I don't think I don't think that I punched him in the chest. >> Yeah. Is is that how you hurt your hand though or >> No, this is like scuffed like from the ground. >> Oh, [snorts] is there in like marks on there? >> I don't know if I fell or it's like scraped and [snorts] I I don't know. This one I fell on. Got myself. >> What's Can I see that? >> Yeah, it's just the smallest. >> Okay. Did uh did uh the other officer at the hospital photograph that for you? >> Yes. >> Okay. And both both of them? >> Yes. [snorts] >> Okay. Now, do you have any other injuries anywhere else? >> Um, my knee was scuffed up. >> Okay. >> I got like this weird looking really tender spot on my arm. >> You know what that's from? >> I don't [clears throat] call. >> Okay. >> Can I see the top of your head? Where did you say Can you point to where you got hit? >> Somewhere up here. Cuz it's not stored now, but >> Okay. I cover my head, but it still hit me. Wait, I think I put my head down and then it hit my head. >> I got hair dye. Like temporary >> hair. [laughter] I need a shower. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Sorry. Okay. Are you about to kind of part your hair there a little bit where you think it is? >> Yeah. Yeah. I think it's tend to kind of over here a little bit. >> Okay. And that was the full pop can. >> Yeah. Okay. Was it the side [snorts] of the can that hit you? Like the big side? >> Uh, I don't know. It came like this and I put my head down like this. >> Okay. [laughter] >> I put my head down into it. >> Into it. I guess it's not your face, right? >> Okay. >> It's just scary, you know? >> Yeah. And like I think I don't know if I'm blocking it all, you know, I'm not purposefully, but >> right there on the ground. I don't use it. >> Mhm. Mhm. [snorts] So, what we're doing now is we want to uh be able to they're documenting the crime scene obviously, okay? Or the incident location. And then once that's done, um we'll get your phone and [snorts] um they're going to go ahead and try and view that video. Okay. >> Oh, I was wondering if they were >> Yeah, cuz then it sounds like that'll answer a lot of questions for us and show show you show us what you're telling us. Okay. Mhm. >> So, we'll do that and um when we get to that point, I'll I'll let you know. Okay. I'm just going to go relay some more info to the people that are out there. Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Can I get you anything? Do you need anything? [laughter] >> I was just going to ask for a cigarette. >> A cigarette? I don't have one of those. Let me see if I can find one, though. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, I'll see if I can find one. And then obviously, we'd have to go down and go outside, but we can we might be able to make that happen. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Yes. So, I know that they are looking at your phone and I know they saw the text messages with you guys and it appears that um it was something uh that he drove by and you said don't come back something about going to Foley and then like at 11 it at 11:00 you know there's talk about the tires and stuff and then you said come in or come over or come in or something like that. Is that is that time lane seem more like it? >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Can go to fully first and then come >> and then coming over. So he actually got there 11ish. >> Oh yeah. >> Or a little after 11. Does that sound right? >> Yeah. Yeah. I thought he went to Foley first cuz I thought he went to meet her at Foley or was going to meet her at Foley or something. [snorts] >> Yes. That right. >> Okay. Who did he go meet in Foley? Um, I don't know. I thought he was going to meet Brooke. >> Brooke? >> Yeah. I thought I thought he was think too young. >> Okay. But she lives up in Foley. >> She lives in Malaca. >> Malaca. [snorts] >> Um, what was I going to ask you? There's something. Oh, do you know Brook's last name? >> Bishop. I don't know if that's a real last name. >> Bishop Facebook. >> It's probably stuff in my phone. >> As far as what? >> Like [snorts] what are you talking about? um [clears throat] um conversation and um text text. >> Like are we talking about drugs though or >> Okay. >> When was the last time you used? >> Um last night. >> Last night. What is it that you use? >> Um I do method weed. >> Method we haven't been doing the math. Um, little over a year. >> Really? >> Um, are you on any other medications or anything? >> Uh, I take anti-depressants. >> Okay. >> And, um, just like a non-narcotic pain medication for my lower back. >> Okay. >> So, what got you started in math? Um um you know I had tried it before but I I [clears throat] messed up back and it kept me up and kept me dizzy so much that it like hurt my back. It just made me ache. I overdid it, you know. >> Yes. >> So I was like I don't want to do that. I >> That's when you tried it. >> Yeah. And then uh >> so were you just with other people that did it and you're like yeah I'll try it or >> Yeah. >> Really? >> Yeah. It's pretty common like we was generous with it and everywhere you know it. >> But yeah I that was the one drug that I waited till I was 40 to try and then I guess I when I tried it again um my back didn't hurt. It actually kind of took the the back pain on me and it gave me energy. Yeah, I'm about to kick it here. It's It was fun, but it's wearing a tear. >> How come it seems so hard for people to kick that one? You just crave it all the time. >> Um, it's the energy that I that I have craving anyways. It's going to >> Yeah. So it's kind of like for people that don't do that stuff, it's kind of like what a whole lot of caffeine does. >> Yeah. I think it was invented like by Hitler, you know, soldiers, which makes sense, you know, going go need to eat energy. >> Military for I think for the military, right? >> Yeah. And it makes makes me focus really well and makes >> When you say you're going to kick it though, is I know a lot of people that have said that and then they try and you just can't. Is it I mean, is it that addictive that you just can't? >> It's not as addictive as heroin, but it's it's pretty up there. >> Um, but I've I've already I've quit before during the year. Um it hurts but I I need to do it again. And >> like what do you like the first beginning of not using it hurts? >> Yeah. [clears throat] like um you're just super tired and all you have to do is sleep. But um when I could say my body ate I don't know if I was sick like a different kind of sick like you know virus or something but my body like joint I think it was co um but anyways I was taking a trip out of states and um I wanted to be have been done but before I went on a trip um yeah but it was like almost 10 days before I was like normal then you you know, I thought it was four days, maybe five, you know, but that's like when it physically >> is leaving your body, but it's it takes a little bit longer than that. But yeah, it's um it's a difficult to quit for a lot of people. I mean, there's people been on it for like 10 years, and I know they haven't even ever quit at all. >> Wow. >> Yeah. My sister being one of them. Oh, really? >> Well, she's quit before, I guess, but it's just like been in her life like >> pretty much her whole life. >> Is she the one like that you started? >> Uh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I used to be totally against it, you know, because it [ __ ] up her life. >> No, that's [laughter] that's fine. Believe me. >> So, yeah. I mean, it took up >> I should never tried it. >> Mhm. So, do you think if you pick it this time, you can stay off of it? >> So, I think so. Yeah. >> Yeah. A lot of people that um that I know that do it, they they're all like actually trying to quit or [snorts] they have a date planned or you know they're talking about any one one that I know that was successful, she actually ended up having to move away from up here and get away and completely get a whole new phone, completely disassociate with everybody she knew that used. >> That's right. and ended up moving down to the cities and it was just she happened to meet back up here one night at um some bar. This was back a while ago and I saw her and she looked completely different and I could I and she recognized me and came over and talked to me and I'm like, "Yeah, I can tell you're you're clean, >> right? I know. I I know I look [clears throat] I look terrible." >> But I could tell Yeah, I could tell that she was clean. I'm like, "So, how what was the key to it this time?" just like I ended up having to I went into treatment and I moved away from here. >> I might have to do that. I'm I'm looking >> buying a house, you know, >> and y >> I might have to do that. >> Yeah, >> it's difficult. But like >> because that was the thing is every time she was around those people then she would want to use again. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Have you ever done the treatment thing? What do you think of that? Does it work? Or >> um I've been to treatment um for alcohol once. >> Sure. >> And for heroin? Um >> Oh, you tried that, too? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> That was never again >> really >> that was just I I I didn't like the loss of control that I had that I didn't have. I mean, >> right. >> I've been able to quit every other drug on my own. >> Yeah. Yeah, but that one was just it disgusted me like when I look back and think about the physical part [laughter] cuz I'm going to kill myself, you know. >> Yeah. Yep. Yeah. You just can't stop moving. You can't control what you're doing. >> I felt like I was possessed by a demon. >> Yeah. >> Really did. >> And it took me treatment twice to get rid of it. >> Um, >> and I had a messed up back. Like I said, I >> How did you mess that up? >> I injured it [clears throat] in the army and then I was in a car accident. >> Oh, really? How many years were you in the army? >> Um 3 years. >> Really? >> 99 to02. >> Huh? >> Then the car accident was 2014. >> Then I had surgery was 2016. >> Really? >> Yeah. So the pain pills started me on that. >> Yeah. >> And then the heroine was the instant relief, you know, of pain. >> I was working full time. >> And it gave me energy. I didn't do so much where you're like, you know, you >> just enough just a little bit, you know, and I'm like, "Oh my god, the colors are brighter. I'm painfree. I'm I'm ready to go." You know? Yeah. >> So that's Yeah, that was that was a bad one. >> So dangerous. >> Yeah. >> And like like with method like just eats you from the inside out, you know, you >> skin, teeth. I like my teeth. I like to keep them. >> Yeah. Yeah. [snorts] >> It's just And it's just Yeah. It's been a year and I it's kind of getting old and >> Mhm. It's just like yuck. >> Yeah. I hope it works for you. >> Thanks. Um I was trying to get Justin to quit. Well, he knows. I mean, he wants to quit and I was told him I'd quit with him, you know, go through those four days of hell, you know. >> Yeah. >> And I, you know, I'll be waiting for them to give me a pick a date, a quit date, you know. >> So, what about if you go into treatment? Do they help you through those days? Um, they usually want you to detox for like a couple days before you go in. >> So, you're kind of starting that process beforehand. >> Yeah. >> They is there do they give you anything to help with that? >> Um, for me from >> Yeah. >> Uh, I don't know. I don't think so. >> I know with heroin it, you know, it took the two treatments because the first time I went through I was doing methadone. >> Yeah. >> It's basically a legal high, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. We we got the clinic here in town and we've actually had numerous >> DWI from there where they actually crash into people and he hurt them leaving there in the morning. >> Oh my gosh. >> Cuz they drive away from there. >> Right. Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm like, well, I didn't I was like, this is just I'm still getting hot. >> Yeah. You're still you're just replacing it with a different product. >> I'm still going to have to taper down. I'm still going to have to get off the drug, you know? So, >> yeah. So it took me like less than a year to get, you know, go through that methodone program and then uh 6 months. I did about 6 months over and then I started back on heroin. >> But then uh we have a year later I went back into treatment and um they gave me Suboxone. Within an hour of taking that I felt normal. >> Really >> normal. Not high, not different, normal. So, does that block the receptors from from getting that high then? >> Yeah, I think it does because it worked on my back pain, too. And [clears throat] I was staying on it just for the because it got rid of my back pain >> and I wanted to stay in the lowest dose and I don't want to taper up cuz then you got to taper down and you know that's a pointless, you know, dep. [laughter] >> So, yeah. Um Yeah. And I don't know, I just kind of tapered myself out this box on it and just didn't just didn't take anything cuz I think I started math at that point. >> Yeah. >> And me was taking care of my back pain also. >> Of course. >> So, yeah. I mean, I've been struggling. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then getting in a relationship like this >> Yeah. >> doesn't help either, >> right? I've never dated a guy like Justin who is really like almost emotionally like immature or something or he plays games or he I don't he's he's difficult very difficult and I'm like I don't know why I keep going back to him. >> Yeah. [snorts] >> Like I would have never stayed back. >> Probably. >> I know that. >> Is that where you were getting from him? >> [snorts] >> Um sometimes we always something else. >> Mhm. >> So where were you from then? >> Um I don't I was I went to school and stuff and mostly grew up like Park. >> Oh, sure. Yeah. Bla and clean up the area. >> That yep around the what is it? Uh East Bethl was huge for drugs at the time when I was I was working down there for Anoka County for the parks and uh I knew that that was a hot bed for drugs down there. >> Yeah. [snorts] And then um um I didn't stay home home very long or stay here long. I don't want to turn 18. >> Went to college for a year and just got bored with that. Just started going down the drug aisle, you know. I was like, I I can't I got to quit. So I quit myself and join the army. Need a different kind of challenge or something. >> That was a smart moment. It was I thought it was kind of punishing myself, but it actually was a what's it called in disguise? Um blessing in disguise. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. It really it really helped me a lot and got me on the right path. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Met my husband there and well ex-husband now. Got out, got married, had two kids, [snorts] went to college. >> Where'd you go? >> Um I just did at Hills Community College. Okay. >> To finish the um my general my general educational classes to get the AAS in electronics, biomedical electronics technology. >> Wow. >> So I well I repair medical equipment. >> Yeah. >> But the army trained me and then the two-year degree is like an equivalency. >> Sure. >> And so I just that's why I only had to do the general ed cuz I transferred over. But I had to get that piece of paper that says that. >> Right. Yeah. Yep. [laughter] That's all about that piece of paper. >> My mom told me that. >> Yeah. >> Get that piece of paper. >> Yeah. You got to jump through the hoops. Get the piece of paper. >> Yeah. >> So, do you work right now? >> Not currently. >> Sure. >> I'm kind of scared to go to work. >> Are you? >> I'm scared to get co and like die, you know, just miserably die miserably. Just the terrible flow of fail death, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. Touch every piece some medical equipment to open it up and you know I mean we clean it with >> Yeah. And use gloves and >> Yeah. And then touch your eye or your mouth or it you know it's I mean it takes a little practicing to not touch your face and stuff like that, you know, in that work environment. But cuz I remember my first job when I started working after I got out of the army, I got the fluids in like two weeks of working and yeah, you know, I wasn't in the habit of not touching my face. I think I bit my nails at that time and I don't know. I feel like I'm probably one of the I feel like I would die from it if I got [clears throat] it. >> Really? Do you think if you were off the map and stuff for a while and >> probably got healthy? >> I'm surprised you said that. You know, it's kind of like a It's kind of weird that like a lot of people have noticed that a lot of meth users have not gotten it. >> Haven't gotten it or had it bad? >> Have not gotten it. >> Wow. >> It's like it made a super soldier, >> right? >> You know, cuz Yeah. People haven't gotten it. >> Well, there you go. I guess >> there's an excuse to not quit. [laughter] >> But anyway, >> if the if co doesn't get you, that'll eventually catch up with you. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But um yeah, I just um I'm part Native American, you know, and >> like I'm allergic to milk. [laughter] >> Are you? >> I can't even handle milk, >> you know. >> Just intolerant or actually allergic to it? >> Actually allergic to it. >> Yeah. in the animal most are allergic or intolerant one, you know, and it's still like a young generation of changes for over time. >> Yeah. You Yeah. Get used to it. Yeah. It's um >> you know the ter >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Like Yeah. Anyways, I just feel like I'm >> See, I want to >> I feel like it's going to hurt. [laughter] >> I don't want to hurt. [clears throat] I just experienced enough pain. But I mean, if I if I had a go ready, it's just everybody else that wasn't anywhere. Yeah. >> Lindsay Ray Shelk Miller was charged in Sterns County with one count of seconddegree unintentional murder while committing a felony. After a bench trial, Judge Nathaniel Welt found her guilty of that offense on December 9th, 2021. On April 26th, 2022, she was sentenced to 128 months in prison, 10 years, and 8 months, with 373 days of jail credit, and roughly $13,97 in restitution. A request for a shorter term was denied, and the Minnesota Court of Appeals affirmed the conviction and sentence in July 2023. Under Minnesota law, an executed prison term of this type is typically followed by a period of supervised release after twothirds of the sentence is served. No verified public record of her release has been located. Given the length of the term and credit applied, she remains in Minnesota Department of Corrections custody as of the most recent available information.