Just tell me what happens when you walk back in. >> Nothing. >> What? >> I just pull the trigger. >> How many times? >> I don't know. Felt like a lot. >> More than two. >> Yes. When the cops showed up and started giving you commands, they heard one more pop, one more loud bang. What was that? >> You are about to watch the interrogation [music] of Denise Malcolm after the fatal shooting of her husband. No commentary, no interruptions. This is the [music] interrogation. >> Is your last name Malcolm? >> Yes. >> Okay. Denise, right? >> Yes. >> Would you prefer I call you Miss Malcolm or Denise? >> Denise. >> Okay. >> My license. I don't know. >> You used to live with them, >> but you use their But you use their address. >> Okay. All right. We'll figure it out. Um, yeah, they're probably going to go hang out with your uh your brother for the time being. Um, but my sergeant and uh another detective are on scene right now handling that. >> So, what we're here to do is talk to you about what happened tonight. Right. You ever watch those TV shows? >> Adult crime and stuff like that. Basically, at the end of the day, I have to read this to you. You want to read it while I'm talking? We both read it together. Basically, all it says is you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to the presence of an attorney prior to or why being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, won't be appointed accounting expense to represent you before any questioning if you wish. And if you decide at any time, you can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. Okay. Do you need to read anymore? >> No. >> Okay. Son twins. >> Yeah. >> And your is it your ex-husband? >> No, my husband, >> but you're separating. Is that correct? You were getting a divorce. Your son told me you were getting a divorce. You hadn't gotten it yet, though. Okay. Just wanted to clarify. You got a good kid. By the way, I didn't. He's a great kid. He really is. He told me a little bit about the history with you guys. Look at me. Huh? He told me a little bit about the history. And I'm sorry you had to go through that. Okay. Honestly. Honestly, nobody should have to deal with somebody betraying them on a constant basis. He also told me that you guys were living separately in the house. How long has that been going on? >> Separately a year and a half. >> So, you've been living in two different rooms for a year and a half. Not before that. >> No, not before that. >> Okay. Cuz he wasn't sure. >> Yeah. He didn't even know you had a gun. Huh? >> He didn't even know you own guns. He was like, I've never seen him shoot before. I was taking my kid out at like 10, so I guess it was weird like that. Um, did you just buy that? >> No. >> No. >> Maybe a year ago. >> Oh, you had that long? Just kept it from the kids for their safety? >> Yes. >> Okay. [clears throat] Denise, talk to me. Look at me. You want to talk to him? Let me talk to him. >> I'm James by the way. >> I should myself like I know he's a good looking guy. >> Just got this new kick. I'm growing my hair out like your son. So it's like [laughter] >> you can tell it's to my disin. >> I'm the young one. >> I'm the old one. [laughter] >> What were you born? >> Huh? >> What year were you born? >> 79. >> Oh god. I'm still older than everybody. I'll give you bucks. >> I'll take it. >> Um, your watch. [clears throat] >> Mhm. >> Is that a smartwatch? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Can you do me a favor and give that to him for me? We We have to take it from you. >> Is that connected to your phone? >> No. >> Oh, it phone number. >> No. >> Okay. Want to make sure? >> Never seen that before. >> Can you shut those off? >> I don't know. >> Yeah. Don't just leave it then. >> Um Oh, you probably have to open it up to shut off. >> Maybe. >> Okay. He'll die soon. >> Um, so did he, your son didn't tell me if he uh your husband was abusive? I'm just going to go out and say it. I'm trying to be as as as cordial as possible, but >> No, he wasn't physically abusive. Okay. So, you bought the gun a year and a half ago not to protect yourself from him? >> No. >> Okay. >> I don't think it's a year and a half ago. Maybe a year ago. >> Who'd you get it from? >> Torn shop. >> What kind of gun was it again? >> A 30 380 or 38. >> Okay. And uh it was I saw it for a half a second. It's a semi-automatic, right? So it was a what do you remember what kind it was? Cuz a b uh >> burrito. >> I'm sorry. >> A burrito. Burrito. >> Burma. >> Bur burrito. >> Something like that. >> I think he's a 38. Have you ever shot before that you got that gun or is this the first time you owned one? >> The first time I own one. I've been to the range a couple times. >> Yeah. So, why don't you tell me what happened tonight? I mean, we all pretty much know, but you know, I want to hear your side of the story. I want to get it from you because you have a right to tell me what's going on. I just I just slept. I just I couldn't do it anymore. >> What What made you upset? >> We've been going back and forth. Um I was going to move out. He kept saying I'm going to take the kids away from him. It's better we stay together. But I don't want to live like that. So, what happened tonight that made you, as you put it, snap? It's just the lies. The the constant lies. The constant You don't want me to move out. You don't want me to leave. You keep saying you want your family, but you don't because you keep doing what you're doing. So, we're going to do a um we're going to have a little family thing tomorrow because it's Labor Day. So, we went to Sam's. We got meat. We got stuff and we're going to >> like a cookout barbecue. >> Barbecue. >> Okay. >> When did you do that? Today. >> Yeah. He came back and all of a sudden he's telling me his um friends need him to come and go somewhere and he's going to go um go with his friend Chris. Then I see a bag. If you're going with Chris, why do you need a bag? So the lies just keep coming again and again and again. >> What bag? >> Me a It's almost like a overnight bag. Like a backpack? >> No. >> Like a duffel bag? >> Almost like a carryon, but a tiny one. You went on a business trip and you have the >> Yeah. Did it have an extended handle and all that? >> That type of one. >> Gotcha. Okay. So, you confront him with that. What happens now? >> We just started arguing. >> And where were you when this happened? The arguing part >> in the room. >> Which room? My room. >> I'm sorry. >> In the room. >> Which room? >> In middle room. >> Which is his room or your room? >> Yeah, his room. >> Okay. >> That's pretty much it. >> Well, did you bring the gun in with you or did you have to go get it? >> I went and got it. >> He went and got it. Where was it? >> Was in my room. >> There your bedroom. Did you keep it locked away somewhere? >> Yeah, I have a little um came in a little case and then I keep it in the in the closet. >> What kind of case? Like a black little black case. They usually come in like plastic black cases. >> Yeah. >> But then I usually hide it in I have a lot of stuff packed up in my closet. So I usually just hide it behind the stuff cuz nobody goes in my closet. >> Like a shelf up high. So that's where it was when you went to go get it. >> Yeah. I tossed the case in the dirt basket. >> The laundry basket. >> Laundry basket. >> Was it loaded already? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> You loaded it like that's how you put it away. You have it loaded one. Does that mean like full magazine in one in the chamber? >> Yes. >> Like did you have to rack it? >> Yeah, I had to rack it. >> So when you took it out of the box, open the case and you had to rack it. >> Yes. >> Or was it already ready to go? >> No, don't keep it ready just in case the kids find it. But we're happy they wouldn't have found it. But I didn't keep it with one in the chamber. >> Okay. You mind telling me what made you go get it? I just felt betrayed cuz last night we were talking happy and the whole family [clears throat] thing and he always does that. He always make it seem like we're working on our relationship and then he just sideswipe it with some BS. How long has this been going on? Two years almost two years. So, you uh did I mean did he specify anything today that like he said he was going to go with his friends and like at what point did you get mad? maybe an hour before everything happened because I said we were just planning the barbecue and everything and then obviously he had this planned out all all along. So the whole barbecue was a lie. He just made it seem like his friends just call and they're planning some road trip out of town and he's just going to go for a day or two. What are you talking about? Why you got to sleep? I don't understand. So, we just start about an hour before you got your gun. Well, that's when he mentioned the trip that he's going to go. So, we just started arguing from then, but it didn't get heated until like a hour later when I realized he was serious. I thought he just thought he was serious. He was going So, were you in his room when you found out he was serious? when you realize it anyway. >> The whole the whole conversation was in his room. We were in the kitchen in my room in his room. >> But once you realized he was serious, >> we were in his room. >> And that's when you walked out and went to your bedroom and got the gun. >> Denise, I know what it is. I just need you to get it off your chest. Look at me. Don't let it eat you up. Get it off your chest. You'll sleep better. You'll live better. Talk to me. Look at me. Thanks. Hey, look at me. I'm right here. Hey, tell me. >> Shouldn't have lied. You shouldn't just let us divorce. But why the last shot was you? Did he say something to you that really pissed you off at the last time? Where'd you shoot him? It's okay. You can tell us. Where'd you shoot? >> Was it in the back of the head? >> I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you. I guess so. >> Well, you were there. I wasn't >> Doesn't matter. I did it. >> As I said in the beginning, I know I I just I want the specifics. I don't want anything, you know, cuz your kids were trying to kind of stick up for you and not say stuff to us. Good kids. I get it. But I don't want them to get wrangled into this. So, I'd rather hear every specific from you. >> They went in there. They're in the living room. >> I get you. Look at me. I got one that one question I need answered. I need you to answer that one question. When the police are there and your son's left, >> I was supposed to shot myself. >> That was your plan. >> I was supposed to shoot myself. >> What would you do instead? >> I heard him yelling. I just froze. >> That pissed you off again? So that last shot was supposed to be for you, but you pointed at him instead cuz he was yelling. Tell me. You tell me in your own words. Don't let me guess at this. I don't want to guess. It's okay. But we're almost done. Let's just get this out. Hang in there. Okay. Couple more minutes. Was he on the ground when you shot him the last time? >> He was on the ground. Was he on his stomach or on his back? >> I know you're thinking about it. Speak while you talk or excuse me, speak to me while you're thinking about it so I can hear it, please. Tell me, I want to end this conversation with you. I don't want to bring this up again. I don't want to come back to this. someone to get it over with just like you do. So, just tell me, please. Cuz I understand the first three shots or four shots or whatever it was, you don't know how many times you pulled the trigger, where you hit him, right? Cuz it just happened kind of fast. But that last one, I know you remember. So, tell me that one since you can't tell me the other ones. You do that for me. Well, I just wanted you to tell me first before we go. >> One thing is telling me this. You clearly wanted to kill yourself at the end of this. What happened? >> I don't know. >> Talk to me. >> I I don't know. That was the plan. That was the plan. >> But why didn't you do it? There's a reason why. I don't know. Just I just froze. Just just >> You said you heard him yelling. >> Yeah, I heard him yelling. Um I heard him yelling and I just started doing what it said. It's >> what? Who said >> the cops were saying >> cops weren't there? >> Oh, it wasn't the cops. >> No, I mean they weren't there when that happened. They They were outside, but they weren't in their room. >> No, I wasn't saying they were in their room. >> So, I I need to hear from you, not them. They didn't see it. I just want the truth. The whole truth. nothing but the truth, as we say. I don't want to guess. I don't want to write something down that might not be true. I don't want to say, well, you know, she just did this instead of this. I'd rather just tell the story as it is and be done. You let me do that, please. >> Yeah. >> Up until that point, just that last part is all I need. >> Doesn't matter. >> It does to me. But >> I did it, so it doesn't matter. >> I know you did. Done. I know. And I know you're distraught about it, but I just want to know. Was he on his stomach when you shot him or was he on his back? He >> was on his back. >> How did he get it in the back of his head? >> I don't know. On his back. >> Okay. You had to shoot him. The last time he was on his back, you shot him in the face. Is that what happened? He must have said something to you to stop you from killing yourself, which really upsets you even more than you were already upset. But it stopped you. Look at me. It stopped you from killing yourself and it pushed you to shoot him again. What did he say to you? Doesn't matter. >> I I It does matter. Every little bit matters. >> I did it. It's okay. I did it. >> I understand. But it doesn't matter, honey. >> It does matter. >> I didn't They didn't say anything. >> How do I know that if you don't tell me everything? [clears throat] >> Cuz if if I if I know this noise, they didn't see anything. >> But if they were in the living room, the room was right there. >> But they didn't see it. They didn't see it. >> [snorts] >> Can you answer this for me, Denise? Were you outside the room or inside the room when you shot him? >> Just inside the door, right? The door. >> And did you ever go full Did you ever go into the room? I >> went in and closed the door behind me. >> Okay. So, I understand that there's shell casings on the outside of the bedroom and then there are shell casings on the inside. >> Yeah, because I got the doorway and I I stepped in and closed the door. >> Okay. So, how close were you when you shot him the last time? >> Same same distance, I guess, where you are where I am. >> Okay. Did you shoot him in the head? [snorts] >> I guess. >> It's not a guess. You You would know, >> I guess. So, >> it's either yes or no. Denise, did you stand over him and shoot him in the head? It's not going to change anything. >> I didn't stand over. He was right where where you were >> and you're aiming towards his head. >> I guess so, >> sweetie. It's not going to change anything. I just want you to understand that. >> But if it doesn't change anything, then why you keep going? >> Because I want to hear the truth and I want to hear it come out of your mouth. >> I already know the truth. >> Okay. I don't really know. >> Did he hit you at all? >> No, not until I know. >> What about in the past? >> He He's not a abusive person. Any hit and it's not like a beat up or anything. It would be more like a toss up or something. But he hasn't ever like caught my hand and kicked me in and beat me up. >> What about tonight? >> No, we're just arguing. >> Okay. >> So, >> okay. Were you angry, which is why you went to go get your gun? Describe me what your emotions are. >> Betrayed. >> And I think you have every right to feel that way. I would be betrayed, too. Did you feel better after you shot him? No. Did you feel somewhat relieved? >> I wish there weren't her. >> I know. Where's the gun at? Where'd you put the gun? Um, I got when he told me to come hold my hand up, I think I put it on the um the the desk in the room. >> Okay. >> I think so. >> And you came out and you were apprehended by the police? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And where were your boys at at that point? Um, I don't know because I locked the door behind me. I when I was in the room, the door was locked. So, I only be guessing where they were. >> Okay. Was there anyone else in the house other than the four of you? And you lived there with your two sons and your husband, correct? >> Yeah. >> Does your husband ever like leave and stay long periods of time or go out for two days or three days and then come back home? >> No. He'll stay awake sometimes, pretend he has to go to work and fix something at work or his friends call him to do something. >> What does he do for work? >> It. >> And where do you think he is when he's out when he's supposed to be working? >> It's another woman. Do you have any confirmation that that's true or >> I found out about someone which is why we were in separate rooms? I asked him to leave out taking his stuff out of the room cuz that was that was an office >> that happened two years ago and a half ago. >> And how did you find out about this woman? um similar to what he's doing. The he got to go help this person do something, you got to go help that person do something. And >> did you confront this woman or you just did she call you or >> I didn't call her cuz he said she was just a friend and then I was overreacting. >> And how did that conversation go? Um well at first when I the first time I called um she didn't say anything and we spoke another couple months later and I'm like I know something is going on. This is and she said yeah he still denied it even though she said yes. He still denied. >> And that's the only woman that you know about or is there any? >> That's the only woman I know. So tonight, did he mention Did you mention anything about infidelity tonight during your argument? >> Yes. >> And what did he say? He >> said he was just going to go out with his friends. >> And you did you believe that? >> Did you What did you say to him? >> He was lying. >> And what did he say to you? >> Listen to his story. He didn't say that he was Did he tell you these friends he was going to go hang out with? >> Huh? >> Did he tell you the friends that he was going with or um he did? Um his friend had a birthday dinner recently. We were all supposed to go, but I didn't go. I didn't feel like I let him and the boys go. That was Sunday. So, he was claiming it's the same friend still celebrating his birthday and was going to go to Port St. Lucy. >> Do you still think the same girl is around or do you think it's someone new? I >> think it's her. >> Have you ever met her in person? >> No. >> Just talk to her on the phone. And does he have like I call it a throw down phone. Does he have a throw down phone? I think he has his personal phone and his work phone. >> And do you believe that he's using his personal phone or his work phone to meet up with this girl? >> His personal phone. >> And when you confronted him tonight again about infidelity, what [clears throat] did he did he deny it? >> I did. >> But you didn't believe him. >> No. >> And then you felt betrayed. >> I did. because he told you pretty much told you a story again. Another story. >> Have you just know why plan the cookout? Why plan all these things and then come an hour later to tell me your friend is going to Port St. Lucy? That was planned. That didn't just pop up out of nowhere. You had it all planned. So you had no you had no plans of doing any cookout or barbecue. It was all a lie. >> Yeah. Do you feel stupid? >> I did. >> And you're a little bit upset at him because you felt >> You keep believing every time he comes with this crap. >> Yeah. >> He's telling you a dream or trying to sell you a dream and you're unfortunately falling back into the trap. And what's your husband's name? Ronnie. >> Ronnie. >> Did Ronnie know you had a gun? >> Can you believe me? I didn't show it to him. >> So, when you walked out of the room the first time and went into your room to get your gun, did you tell him you were going to go get it? >> No. And then when you appeared with it, did you say anything to him? >> I just told him, "I've had enough. I said enough. Enough. You've had enough. You're tired." >> Yes. >> Did he have enough time to say anything to you before you started firing rounds? Um, have this phone. Have his phone. I think he just call my name. Just call my name. [snorts] >> At this point, where were the boys? Um I think I remember was watching TV was I think maybe in this room. So when you started firing rounds from in the doorway area, right? I think they were frozen cuz I looked I look around and um they were just staring and I told them not to come any closer. >> I thought the door was shut. Did I get that wrong? >> No. >> I just shot it with my [clears throat] I was at the doorway when when I saw that they were in the living room. I went in and closed the door behind me. >> So when you shot him, when you were in the doorway, did he fall on the ground? He didn't fall. He was more like trying to get away like but not a fall. >> And then once you closed the door, what was he did he say anything to you at that point? He was talking. >> Because now you're mad. >> Just why? Why? >> And once the door shut, how many rounds do you think you fired then? >> More. >> I wasn't going to find any more except from me. only fired one more up until it was close. Just And when you fired that round, did he say anything else? Is that a no? >> Well, no. I don't remember. >> So, you're shaking your head now, but then you're telling me you don't remember? >> I want to say something that he had said earlier that he said at the end, but maybe it wasn't at the end that he was earlier. Let me ask you this, Denise. Did you want Ronnie dead? >> No. >> No. Did you want to scare him? >> Even when I shot him? >> Yeah. >> Oh, and I would put on him. So, I kill him. I kill myself. So, yes. When I went on him, I was going to kill. >> So when you went in the room and closed the door, he was still alive. Correct. [snorts] Because was he still talking when you closed the door? >> Yes. And then when you fired around again, he stopped. >> Yes. >> And at that point, you heard the police, correct? >> Yes. [sighs] Yeah. >> So, you accomplished what you wanted accomplished, correct? >> I guess so. I guess so. >> But there's one part you didn't accomplish, Denise, and that's you sitting. What if I tell you I'm very glad that you are here? There's no point. Your boys still have their mom. >> Doesn't matter. They you they still have their mom. [snorts and sighs] [snorts] >> For them, you know. >> What' you have planned out for him? >> Cut it. to start his um [snorts] you know for Broward College cuz he's going to start his um though he's just in ninth grade he can do the college credits from the >> Mhm. >> college courses >> the dual enrollment even do that. [snorts] >> No, he'll do it because you're still here to push him to do that. He's screwed up. He screwed up. [clears throat] Your boys are very, very smart, Denise. They know everything that you've been through. Like them, like I always say, I have four sisters and my mom raised me. I'm the only boy. So, I know your boys love you till the end. Even though you're in this situation, they are going to love you regardless because they know what you've been through. And they're probably hurting just as much as you are. >> I know they are. >> They are. >> I know. I know. >> I know. Told them we were going to move to North Carolina. Who lives up there? [snorts] >> A cousin up there. >> So, we're going to start over. >> So, if you were to do something different, what would you do different tonight? Just do what they usually do. Then he says, "This crap, I just I should have just shook it off like you're strong, but I think you've had, like you said, enough." Those are your words, right? You've had enough, Denise. We're going to look in your phone and his phone. Do you have the codes or do we have to break into it? >> Mine is my boys. Mine is um 19 20 21. I don't know his keeps changing it. So I don't know. >> How did you get her number? the girlfriend >> cuz we were on one on one family plan. So even started making a strange phone call. I was I checked. >> You checked it from >> the call logs. >> The call logs for so like online or whatever and then that's how you found it. You found a phone number you didn't recognize. You just called it randomly just to see who it came from or did it have a name by it? >> What's her name? >> Michelle. You said Rochelle or something. So, what's going to happen is my the crime scene unit is going to come here. They're going to photograph you. They're going to take pictures of you. They're going to take your clothes. We have to figure out where we're going to make sure we get the boy the right cuz we've been in here. So, make sure the boys get to the right place. Um, [cough] you know, [clears throat] please And if you have any questions for us, we'll be here. The officer will be sitting in with you. You can always flat come in. We'll drop everything. Like I said, I know it's a very shitty situation to be in and it's very unfortunate. I hate that you are in this situation. But at the end of the day, you're a human. I'm a human. He's a human. You know, >> how do you keep your hair up like that? Your hair is that in a tie spin around. >> There's no tie in that. >> That's like an elastic band. >> Okay. We're going to have to take that off. Okay. >> Okay. >> We'll get our female officer to help out with all that. All right. If you have any questions for us before we go, >> we'll be close by. Okay. Okay. You take care of yourself. All right. >> Thank you. I know you're very stressed, but I'll check in on you before we leave. Okay. >> All right. Nice work. Grab him. Okay. Let's get a female officer also. Yeah. You don't have to take it out right now. >> Okay. Come out anyway. Rainbow left. put in the locker. >> Mhm. >> All weapons. [clears throat] Keep it going. Did you shut up? Hold up. Great. Yes. >> Yes. Stay out. Um because she's um thinking about 32. So thanks very much. See if they got anybody that they can shut over. Okay, great. One of those guys down there would throw me I don't think that's in play for us. Uh you can probably come back up front here. We got together. Not sure. right there. We still have units on out of that. Let's just keep the unit at uh Woodside. [bell] Michael, are you with the mother of the suspect? >> Are you involved? So be the other female here and we're gonna do primary on this. Okay, I'll call you shortly. Stewart now to show up in the details. >> Go straight to his house there. It's going to help with the translation and try to uh understand Well, we got shell casings. Circle shut down for Riverside. The unit at Wind4. >> Thank you. I left my key. Hi, Denise. Uh, these are our crime scene investigators, uh, Melissa and Sheila. They're going to process you, uh, photograph you, check you out. They're going to take your clothes and they're also going to collect your DNA, your oral standard DNA. Okay. Um, and like I said, I'll be close by. So, if you need something from me, uh, just grab him and he'll come and get me. Okay. >> I'll come back and check on you. All right. >> You're welcome. >> Hi, Denise. I'm Sheila. This is Melissa. >> Um, so first we're going to do the photographs. All right. Okay. So, I'm going to have you stand initially and we're just going to, you know, be detailed in our documentation of you. All right. So, if you don't mind standing up now, you have all her information already, right? So, just a little closer to the wall. And if I can just have you I just You mind moving your hair to the back? There you go. You can just let it fall. I mean, I just wanted to take a look at >> everything, >> right? So, your normal >> overall graphing just trying to faces the names faces names. >> What's that? started about, you know, 6 7:00 p.m. >> Yeah, I'm going to go for that. >> Okay, now I'm going to be flipping. >> Hover lower though, Melissa. So, you're right. >> Do we see anything on either side? Can I just see your shorts? Can you pull them? Like just I just want to see right here. >> No, that's um Oh, that's go ahead and document it. >> Your scales. >> Yes. It's going to be Oh, sorry. >> And he's advising he was smoking 57. We have a history. >> Um, you got her feet. >> I I just did a bracket. I can go closer. >> Yeah. Don't go ahead and do a closeup of her feet closer up. >> You need to move your body. There you go. He was his neighbor was trying to sign off. He refused to identify himself officers as well. >> Turn around and do the same thing. Put your arms down. >> Should I have her put her hair back to the front now? >> No, that is fine. >> At least you want to do natural and then we'll lower her hair. Hold the arrow. blackmail short. >> Okay, good. And if you don't mind just moving your hair again to the front now. Thank you so much. Okay. >> Okay. I don't see anything. Do you have anything on you? Do you have any scars, marks, or tattoos? >> No tattoos. >> No tattoos. Okay. >> All right. Um, >> you can face. >> What's that? >> Yeah, you can race forward. >> In fact, you can have a seat. Um, >> how about we do DNA now? >> We'll do clothing last as much as possible. We're going to give you a paper suit essentially. Um, looking. Okay. So, this is the talking about it's giving consent for us to take your DNA. Do you just want to read it over? unit, but I'm just holding it like non cooperative on cooperative. >> Okay, I'm going to have you sign here. >> That's a printed version. Yep. [laughter] >> Normally, you fill that out so you make sure that it's legible. >> And then the only thing you need from them is the signature. And the date is the 31st. >> 31st. The envelope. Envelope. Just use a brown bag for now. One is one 33. >> Okay. So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to do the energy both sides separately. >> Okay. >> I'm going to do the 30 seconds on each side on your left side. Okay. Open. >> Yeah. Oh, this Labor Day weekend. Same thing other side. Okay. I'm sorry. 9700 tickets. I have not to do any take it one step at a time. So you want to pay attention to >> what's >> um what it actually says. Okay. So there's plain impressions and then there should be rolls. >> All right. So just make sure >> the top is rolling. >> Okay. >> All right. So just make sure you have the correct finger. >> I don't know if if she'll probably have to stand for you. >> Okay. If you can stand here. >> Okay. So I'm going to start. Go ahead. Your thumb left thumb. So I'm going to >> have her body even with you. It just makes it a little more comfortable for her. I'm just going to roll it. >> More successful. Okay. And just be as loose as you can and I'll do all the work. I'm going to try and get the side of your finger. Okay. I'm just going to And then Sheila, if this is the roll up top, do I just do the tip? Tip rolled side to side. >> Yep. >> Okay. You can do this. There you go. >> So, nail edge to nail edge. >> Okay. We're going to do your index finger. Same thing. We'll start on this side. straight on the right side. Now we're going to roll it again. Okay, I'm actually a little bit. >> Thank you. >> Call that as much as I >> watching the games today was what the outcome of the Florida Miami game was. >> I know when um when I started I think the school went to 12. >> Oh, you were almost up. >> I think you >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I was going into like the second half. >> Okay. >> I don't like either Florida State. So, you know, who would take >> Good question. I don't know. We'll find out Monday night with Austin. >> Pinky. >> I I didn't think we looked awful. Obviously, we weren't great either. We would have >> Georgia Tech looked good, you know. So, but doesn't matter. >> Straight on. >> I don't know. I almost went to the game. >> Actually was in Ireland in June. >> My best friend was there. >> Okay. My daughter high school graduation her and I was a little lunch to go again. How long the flight? Um either >> we need to come straight >> or >> so outgoing we went so that's you know 3 hour flight then a layover I think it was like 6 hours from New York to whatever wasn't really wasn't long at all >> it isn't I thought it would be longer but I thought it would be like an 8 to 10 hour flight >> I don't 6 hours >> going to have you roll it is it easier for you to go this way if we blue or not. >> Okay, there you go. >> I would recommend international. >> Okay, I'll Google your condition. >> Well, when we got to Fort Lauderdale, um, >> okay, this last delay is going to cause us to miss our connecting. >> I know it's great to go. Yeah, I always try to do taboo because we go to New York a lot and um so I was like, "Okay." And um so then I went to the special desk and there she's like, "Yeah, there's no other flights. You're going to have to leave tomorrow or go to New York and stay there until tomorrow." I'm like, "Well, I'd rather be in my own bed." So I lost a whole day of vacation. And um so then we did the same flight. be a person frame. >> Um I got meal um for the airport two of those. Um that's about it. And then I had paid for special seating so I had to get that back because of course my seats are now gone for the next flight. So I got reimbured for that. But you have to fight for everything. Like it's just crazy. was crazy. And then when I finally got to Ireland, came back, stayed in New York. >> So, >> Shayla, do you want me to do palms or >> Yes, please. >> Okay. Mhm. So, um, had to do that. >> Luckily, it was a bag that I could live without for >> um so not not the best experience to say the least. And then >> um on the way there. >> Yeah, it was on the way there. >> Okay. >> When we actually traveling, we almost missed our connecting. literally both from one gate to another >> and >> Okay, go ahead and lift. >> They were very stressful. >> Should I have the other hand go here? >> Yeah. Are you sure this is this covers both hands? >> Yeah. >> Wonder why. Um not ideal. Why does it not have you don't have any cards in here? >> I have the smaller version. >> You don't have plain? >> Not the major case. >> Oh, use that. Okay. >> Both hands. >> Nope. This one's fine. >> Okay. >> Just whatever hand you didn't do. >> Okay. >> Can I see them? the same thing. >> Let me start higher. That way you don't bottom. [laughter] >> That's [clears throat] fine. >> Okay. I'm sure they don't want to refill this. >> And then as far as signatures, do you want it just on this one or >> Yeah, always do the signatures first. >> Okay. >> Um, but both cards. >> Let me let you wipe your hands. I'll give you another one. So, think of it like DNA. Have them sign first >> and that way you don't have to worry about you have some on the back of your hand, too. And then clean that up. There you go. Your hands still wet. I can get a dry towel. >> Are you on? >> Maybe use some some kind of tape to keep that closed. Otherwise, it's going to dry out. Ask for a new one. >> What' you say? >> Ask for a new. >> Are your hands wet? >> Are your hands wet? >> Yeah. I'll get you a 97. So that's it. There you go. I'm going to add the sign right here at the top. the first box. Okay. And then as well as right top. Thank you. tie back. You'll want to come in and close the door cuz we're going to have her take her. I don't need your bra underwear, but I do need your shirt, shorts, and shoes. >> I'll be up for you. >> Okay. See, why don't you put your camera stuff officer back. Are they going to let her take her watch or how does that work? You got to just pack it as safekeeping. >> Yeah. Ice Ice came over. Do I need to come back? Yes, sir. hair and >> we're going to take the watch. >> Okay. >> I think we're going to have to take your hair out after all. I know. I know. >> You want me to photograph him? >> Just like you. >> You can photograph a hair if you want. >> Can I get on? I don't know the rules as far as what's going to happen next. So, trust me, I can appreciate >> hair issues. >> It's going to take a minute. These tang property, okay? >> So, you don't have to take it. Just keep [clears throat] your life easier. [laughter] >> Oh, you took her. >> That way you're not worried about the edge. >> Yeah. >> Did you take her bra? >> No. >> Not you. We need to take it for uh property. >> Why? >> Because of 32 threat. >> Oh, okay. So, do you want us to take it? >> If you could. You don't have to. We will. I just didn't know if you've done it already. >> We will. >> No. Typically, under undergarments aren't taken. No. >> Depending on the circumstances. >> Where am I? We'll get a female officer to do it. >> I mean, we're here. We can do it. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We'll explain the reason why and everything that safekeeping >> part. Yeah. It's part of safekeeping process as well. >> Um, we'll black this out. person you have to deal with. So, I don't know if you're listening to us, but we're going to have to take your shot this >> Yeah. I'll be right here. >> Okay. Y that way. Okay. That's why I want the whole box to come in. That way we have all your sizes. You see how that makes more sense? All right. So, have it open and put the strawberry right there. >> And then same with a bin. Yeah. >> Or the second bin that's an empty bin. >> And then there we go. as far as swaps. No. >> Oh, can I look at your hands when you get a second? I mean, may as well. Okay, we're going to swab the um under your fingernails, one for each hand. Okay, >> you don't want me to do with the hands, the front and back of hands. >> Sure. So, don't you need four or you do two for the for both hands? >> No, I was going to do I just was grabbing I'm going to grab more. >> Oh, okay. Yay. >> All right. So, I like to just have everything out and that way I can start making the boxes. So, I have right nails and left nails. Okay. I'm going to have you actually do palms up if you can. Thank you. I'm sure your hand to bring it back. Okay. because you only use one. You only need them. See? Okay, y'all ready? Heat. Heat. Okay. All right. Bring that there. You can relax as much as you can. Thank you, Denise. Appreciate you again. You're helpful. >> Welcome. >> She still has the hair band. >> Thank you so much. Oh, you took the bra, too. >> Took the bra. She just has her underpants on. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you so much. >> All right. Welcome. >> Appreciate you. Oh, you have to get some slides. >> Yeah. I don't know if Whoopi has anymore. I hope they do. >> Oh crap. >> I know. >> Candace. Does she she has slides, right? Yeah, we can if she needs to. >> Shoe covers will be fine for now. >> All right, we'll we'll bring some back up. >> All right, thank you so much. >> All right, stay in here with her until they bring those up. >> All right. Um when they come back with the uh slide or whatever. >> Yeah. >> Then she can go back downstairs to the uh cell. Okay. >> Um Let's keep it on here. Show you something. The >> boys at my brother's what? >> My son's at my brother's house. >> Yeah, they're with your brother. >> Thank you. Whatever. decided to I don't need All right. something. >> And when you get down there, um, just check in their locker and see if they have any slides. >> They might have some, they might not. They haven't had slides in a while. >> Okay. Um, I don't know if what the >> Hey, put them in the front. >> In the front. >> So, she's walking down the stairs. Safer. You're not going to do anything crazy, right? Don't want to fall face first and then be over yourself. On June 11th, 2025, [music] Denise Malcolm entered a plea of no contest to seconddegree murder in Broward County. She was sentenced [music] the same day to 21 years in state prison with 285 days credited for time already served. That is the legal outcome. It does not define [music] the life that was taken. Rohan Noel Malcolm was 52 [music] years old. He was a husband, a father, Jamaican, and a former Jamaica Observer employee. The case is [music] recorded under Denise Malcolm's name. The life it took was his. Subscribe to Stay Alert Interrogation for more [music] long- form interrogation analysis.