I've never hurt a kid in my life. Wouldn't even hurt my kids. I don't spank. I don't believe in spanking. >> They've just pulled the plug on this child. This child is dead. >> Oh my god. >> On the morning of Thursday, March 8th, 2018, a father dropped off his 3-year-old daughter, Hannah Wesche, at a neighbor's home on Shank Road in Hanover Township, Butler County, Ohio. The neighbor was Lindsay Partin, 35 years old, who had been babysitting Hannah. Her phone shows a text from Hannah's father at 6:52 that morning saying they were heading over. At 7:02, she was on the phone to 911. >> Ma'am, can you tell me what's going on? >> Okay. My name is Lindsay. I babysit kids. >> Yeah. >> He just [clears throat] dropped her off and um all of a sudden she just passed out. >> Who passed out? Who passed out? >> The little girl. She's three. She She felt pretty bad yesterday. And she >> Okay. >> was fine and then all of a sudden he dropped her off this morning and she walked in and kind of passed out and she went limp. >> Hannah was flown by medical helicopter to Cincinnati Children's Hospital with a traumatic brain injury and bruising across her face and head. She never regained consciousness. Within hours, Butler County Sheriff's detectives sat down with Lindsay Partin. And the next morning, they brought her back to go through the photographs. Both interviews would later be played for a jury. The question running through every minute of them is the same. What happened to Hannah between the moment her father left and the moment she collapsed? This is the interrogation of Lindsay Partin. >> Okay. >> Good for you. >> But I want I want to go over this with you. >> Okay. >> Um You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can will be used in a court of law against you. You have the right to consult with a lawyer before and during any questioning and to have a lawyer present with you while you're being questioned. If you can't afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you free before any questioning. You can always can talking to me or any other police officer at any time. Okay? Do you understand that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> If I could, just may I give him much of a line there? >> Is that me I'm arrested or is >> No, no, no. >> Okay. >> No. >> Oh my >> You're voluntary you're giving us >> I mean you're [clears throat] talking to us. >> Oh, of course. I'm like, "Oh my god." >> If I could just get you to put your name up here and Okay. So, take us back to this morning when the child when Hannah gets here at the house. >> Okay. Well, he walked in the door like normal. >> Through the front door, back door? >> you guys came in. >> Mhm. >> And sat her down. >> Was he carrying her? >> Mhm. Carries her in, has her blanket over cuz it's cold obviously right now. And sat her down. >> In the garage or >> Yeah, you know, she's standing there and you know, the kiss goodbye, whatever. He said, "Back to kitchen." She said, "Okay, bye." And I looked at her, I said, "Are you tired this morning or you want to stay up?" She said, "I want to stay up." I said, "Okay." So, we walked in. She was in front of me. I opened the door, she was in front of me. Um that red chair that sits right there, I sat him down, started to take off my robe. She looked at me. "Buddy, can we do couch and donut?" Cuz we always do >> [snorts] >> We like the powdered donuts in the morning before we have breakfast. Um it's hit or miss if she decides to go back to bed or wants the couch or sometimes she Sometimes she's not. So, um I said, "Of course." And she went to take off her jacket and just fell forward. And like I said, I said, "Hannah, get up. What are you doing?" I thought maybe she tricked cuz I hadn't was putting my robe down. Wasn't necessarily like looking at her and >> [clears throat] >> she didn't get back up. >> Who else at the house when she was dropped off? >> So, just me. My redhead was still asleep. He was up um in the kitchen. She was staying in there. >> Mhm. >> Cuz she was greeting Hannah. >> Right. >> But >> Well, But talked to the doctors down at UC. Hannah's not doing good. Okay? Um whatever happened to her happened this morning. >> Oh my god. >> It's not from the fall from yesterday. She has a severe severe brain bleed. >> Oh my god. >> So what we need is the truth from you. >> That Yeah, that is the truth. I swear to god I'm >> need to know how this happened that way we can treat her. >> I'm absolutely telling you the truth. Oh my god. >> it's looking right now is that this happened at your house because we need we need to find out. We need the truth. >> to god I'm telling you the exact truth. We walked in the house >> in the house and from what the doctor is saying not walk. She did not talk. With this type of injury none of that is possible. >> I promise you she did. We were We walked right in the house. Excuse me. Me and her. Me and her. She walked in herself. Walked in herself. >> And they're saying that's not possible. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. He watched her walk in. >> With the injury there's no [snorts] way that she could have walked. So like he said, we're going to be straight up with you. >> I'm straight up with you. I'm dead serious. >> This is >> No. She walked right in my house. >> Okay. And within >> 30 seconds but I swear I'm not lying. I would never hurt a kid in my life. My kids don't even get spanked. >> Okay, so if you wouldn't who would? >> I don't know. >> Okay. I believe you're not being honest with us and you need to come clean with it because you're going to be a part of this. Do you understand me? Okay, as one mother to another you can't kid you can't joke around about this. You can't hide behind it. You need to come ahead of this and tell us what's going on and what you know. >> Yeah, I I don't know anything that goes on over there but then I know she's mischievous. >> Okay, what happened this morning? >> No Nothing at my house. Nothing at my house. And I swear to god to you >> What did he say to you? >> He said I said oh her bruise looks better." And he said, "Yeah, cuz actually I put VapoRub on her." >> Yeah. >> Trying to make, you know, make it cool down. And I Googled um how to make a bruise look better, you know. >> We're talking about something that happened today, okay? >> Yeah, nothing happened this morning. >> going to make it. >> You're kidding me. >> No, I'm not. >> We're not. And this is going to be a homicide. >> we need to find out what's going on. >> Oh my god. >> What did he say to you this morning? >> God, I'm even trying to remember what we even said this morning. I said it's snowing again. >> How did he act? >> Normal. Completely normal. This was a completely normal morning. Oh my god. >> How she was acting was normal? >> Yes. Nothing. She ate fine last night. She I mean, I was getting ready to get her a donut. She asked for a donut. I'm not lying about that. I'm dead serious. She turned around and looked at me and said, "Buddy, can I have a donut and couch?" >> What Jason do when he brought her in? Did he even come in the house? >> No. >> [snorts] >> Okay, so where Tell me where he was at and what he did. >> So, when he walked in, he sat her down. >> Um >> Walked in where? >> The garage. The garage. >> Okay. >> The garage. Um Sat her down, handed me the blanket. And I I think I said, "Oh, her face looks a little bit better." Or her face looks good. It didn't look too too bad. >> [snorts] >> And he said, "Yeah." He said, "I think your VapoRub worked." Or something like that. And then we walked in the house. She wanted another kiss. She asked him for double kisses and another hug. And we walked in the house. I opened the door to the back room and she walked in front of me. >> Okay. She walked in in front of you. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And then where did you go? >> Right behind her. I was like standing right behind her and I went I put my phone on the I took my robe off. >> Okay. And then what happened? >> She turned around, looked at me like just kind of like up at me and said, "Buddy, can I have doughnut and couch?" And started to take her jacket off and fell. >> And when she fell, did she fall out of the door into the garage or did she fall >> on the floor. >> Okay. So, she fell onto the carpet, you're saying? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And at that time it was just you and who? >> Vivian and Les Anne in the kitchen. >> Okay. >> Waiting for Hannah to walk in. >> And nobody else was in the house? >> No. >> Who did you call first? >> Jason. And I said, "Jason, there's something wrong. She's She collapsed. She like passed out." I said, "I'm going to call 911." I said, "You need Cuz he was at the bar and loading the truck up." >> Mhm. >> And I said, "You need to come back up." I mean, I was screaming. I wasn't calm. >> [snorts] >> And did your boyfriend come back up with him? >> Uh like a few minutes later, yeah. Everybody was up uh yeah, my father-in-law, my mother, everybody came. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Uh >> Okay. So, I know like you were saying that you and him have a good relationship. It's like really, really good a lot of the time. >> Yeah. >> But sometimes it's not. >> Yeah. >> Um the one thing that I need you to understand completely, okay? >> Mhm. Is if you're in an abusive relationship, there's always help for you, okay? And you may not feel like there's anywhere you can go or anybody that you can talk to that would even listen to you. Um I don't know if threats have ever been made to you or if he's ever told you, you know what? If um disciplining Hannah? >> No. >> Never spoke to you about it or like what his expectations >> No, all he said is that when she does get in trou- when she does get hurt, she doesn't say anything cuz she's afraid she's going to get in trouble cuz she's not doing something she's supposed to do. Or she's doing something she knows she's not supposed to do. >> Did he elaborate? Like Like what kind of trouble? >> Mhm. >> Got your hamburger here. You want something to drink? >> No. >> You sure? >> I feel like I'm going to throw up. >> This is Sergeant Whitlock. Nice to meet you. >> Well, I know you feel like you want to throw up. This is This is This is terrible. >> This is awful. >> Yeah. Um >> I just had a mis- miscarriage 2 weeks ago and I thought that was the worst thing I'd been through. >> So, I'm going to be very matter-of-fact with you. And And I want you to be a matter-of-fact with me. And if you're sitting here telling the truth, that's great. But if you're sitting here and you're covering and you know things, then watch. Listen to the words I'm going to tell you. >> Okay. >> You will be [ __ ] Because this is the only spot that you're going to get a chance to cooperate because once we're done and if you don't let it out, then that's on you. There'll be no hands reached out to you. >> Yeah. >> So, the things I know for a fact for a fact are these doctors who have a lot more knowledge than as you said >> any of us. Say this. This baby was beat. >> Oh my god. >> Listen to me. These bruises that are all on its chest has made the doctors nauseous. That the swelling on the brain was from a beating. That her retinal being her eye is totally I mean it's just from the beating. And people try to And when I'm I'm not tell saying this directed at you, but people in general want to make excuses of fell over a train and hit her head. Uh fell over in the driveway and caused bruises. >> Correct. >> [clears throat] >> I was preschool teacher. I don't know. >> Right. So, when you have doctors telling you this child was beat, this is abuse. They've just pulled the plug on this child. This child is dead. >> Oh my god. >> So, we can't get any more serious than what we're at, Lindsey. >> No, we cannot. >> That's what I'm saying. So, So, they look at a scan that's taken at Fort. >> Correct. >> They look at a scan that's taken 35 minutes later when she's rushed into Cincinnati Children's and she's immediately rushed into to surgery, okay? And they're able to say with 100% professional opinion >> Yeah. >> that this child this proximity to when this all occurred the the the beating that took place on her head >> Mhm. was absolutely in a time frame of the time she was in your house to the time that had to be almost immediate prior to coming to your house. That there's absolutely no positive way that this child was sitting down, playing with blocks, having conversations, that it absolutely could not have happened. So >> She didn't play this morning, but she walked into my house. I am I will look you in the eye. I've never hurt a kid in my life. I wouldn't even hurt my kids. I don't spank. I don't believe in spanking. I was She's a hyper and she's very very She >> Okay. Have you ever seen any bruises that you've looked at and went >> Probably yeah. >> Where? >> God, just a Oh, she was >> concerned with her head. >> Yeah. >> Have you seen bruises on her head? Look at me, please. I need I need I need to get a good feel for you. >> Yes. >> Where at on her head? >> Sometimes on the back. >> Okay. Have you ever asked her about those bruises on her head? >> No. >> Why not? And I'm not trying to belittle you, but I'm just so >> know. I feel like I haven't done enough. >> Well, just I mean >> Um I don't know that I've asked her, but I'll say, "Oh, did you fall? Did you jump off the couch again?" Cuz she jumps off the couch a lot. >> Do you know if there's carpet over there at the house? >> been in there. Never been in >> Is this the >> imprints. Yeah, maybe like the >> Let me grab. >> I just thought maybe she bruises easily. My dad bruises really easily. >> Maybe she could. I don't know. >> always has bruises. >> I just know she's been beat, and that's the cause of her death today. >> I would never hurt a baby. Ever. Ever. I'm a teacher, and my mom's a teacher. I would never hurt her. >> But Jason's telling us that she gets hurt a lot at your house. That she always comes home with bruises. >> That's completely untrue. She comes to my house with bruises. >> Okay. So, who do we believe? >> I know. If you're not doing it, who is? >> Could be Could be him. >> You said that there was another child that was in the house that got a head injury. You said she had a knot that's just now healing up or something. >> She um fell off that little >> I don't know, play patty-cake with the ideas that you don't want to look at him as a bad father. If you didn't kill her, he did. It's as simple as that. It's one or the other. >> I didn't. >> Well, then I mean, if you got some things that you think you need to tell us about him, you need to be telling us. He's not going to get father of the year, because if you didn't kill her, he did. >> I wish I knew more. I wish I went over I don't I've never even been in that house. >> I understand that. >> I don't know anything about them other than what I mean, he's hardly ever there. And when he is, you know, they're inside of her the girl often. I mean, >> We can get you immediately off the radar screen if you're willing to take a polygraph and go on We can hard focus everywhere else. Are you willing to do that? >> Why would you want to make me do that? That's weird. >> Because I'm not a lie detector. I'm only taking you at just at your word. >> I'm nervous. >> It takes all that into consideration. If you had to take one, are you going to pass it or fail it? >> I don't know. At this point, I I would pass it cuz I'm telling the truth. >> that's that's that's the answer I would be looking for. Nervous doesn't have nothing to do with nothing. >> I don't want to do that without a lawyer. Now I'm nervous. Now I'm more nervous. I don't know what to do. I've never been in this situation. I don't know what to do. >> I'm just asking. That's all I was doing was asking. I can't can't give you advice on what to do. I'm just asking. Okay. >> And she when she tripped on that um her heel of her boot >> [clears throat] >> on the rock and like Yeah, but you better tell them, too. >> Okay. >> [snorts] >> All right. Um >> I don't want to >> Do you want me to give him a call? >> No, I want to call my lawyer. I just I'm completely honestly telling the truth and I would never lie. I don't I mean, I wouldn't lie to anybody and >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I don't know. >> Now, you want to call your lawyer, but I mean, do you still want to talk to us? >> Yeah, I mean, I I don't know why you want to call my I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. >> You're doing it. This is This is what you're supposed to be doing, helping us. >> I'll do anything I can to help. I just >> Well, we do appreciate it. >> I >> I have a couple questions I want to ask you. >> Sure. >> Before I do, I know you you said to me you didn't want to take a polygraph without an attorney and I >> I just don't know anything about it. >> to me. And I don't know if you've since you've been in here talking to them because I've been meeting with my boss, if you've been talking about an attorney or anything. so I just want to make sure we're we're because I have a couple more questions I want to ask you, but I want to make sure you are still well aware of your rights. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I just want to go >> I didn't do anything wrong, so I don't have a lawyer. I don't even know who I would call. >> Okay, but I just want I want to go through them one more time real fast, okay? Just to make sure I'm good asking you a couple questions. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to consult an attorney. If you can't afford one, one will be appointed for you free of charge. You stop talking to myself or Detective Lambert at any time. Do you understand your rights as I read them to you? Are you okay answering a couple more questions knowing your rights? >> Yes. >> Okay. Is it Is this your phone? >> Yes. >> And you've given This is what we wrote down on the back. >> to get the truck ready and take it down, then he's on time. It just depends on if he's driving his own car or if he's taking a truck down. Cuz then he's got to load it. >> But this morning when he sent it you said he was probably 5 or 10 minutes after after that, which I get that. >> Yeah. >> So, would you agree on my watch right now it is 1:00? >> Mhm. >> And would you agree that your phone says 1:00? >> Yeah. >> All right. So, if we go back to his text, would you agree that that says at 6:52 a.m. you're getting he's getting ready to head over? >> Mhm. >> And you And he said And you say, "Okay." right? At 6:52. >> Yeah. >> How long was she in the house? >> Not long, 30 seconds. >> And then 911 was called. >> Yeah, I called Well, I called him first cuz I wasn't really sure what >> real good with math? >> Not really, no. >> All right. I'm a I'm a I'm going to try to help you out with with with time, with the clock. 6:52 a.m. So, let's give him benefit of the doubt, 10 minutes. >> Mhm. >> 7:02 a.m. Or excuse me. >> Yes, 7:02 a.m. >> Yes. >> All right, 7:02 a.m. If it's 10 minutes. >> Mhm. >> When do you think that 911 call was placed? >> I don't know. >> 8:20. >> Are you serious? >> 1 hour and 18 minutes later. Now, what you've done >> That looks bad. >> That is bad. What you've done is said he was there within This happened within seconds of him being there. >> It really wasn't >> was there an hour and 20 minutes giving him the benefit of the doubt. >> I look at that real quick? I don't think you're right. Hold on, let me look at my time clock. >> Let me just >> Pull up my Pull up my calls real quick. Pull up my calls and when 911 was called. Cuz it was 7:20. Cuz I looked at the clock. It was that early. Go back to my call log. >> Hold on. >> I'm sorry. >> It's okay. >> Yeah, 7:02 911 was called. I called 911 at 7:02. And him at 7:01. >> Well, I'm looking at the CAD report wrong. >> Yeah. >> I stand corrected. And you are right. >> called right away. I'm like, there's no way that it was an hour. It was right away. I mean, it happened within seconds. I'm telling the truth. I swear to God I am. I am not lying to you. I do not lie. I would not lie. I I lie. I just don't want >> Hang tight. >> I told you I didn't want to leave you alone. Do you need anything to drink? You okay? >> No. I'm not. Cuz I don't want to be in prison for something I didn't do. My kids are left alone. >> Right. I get it. I know I would feel the exact same way. >> I didn't I wouldn't have >> Like I told you, I've got kids, too. >> Yeah, I would never hurt a baby. I just I wouldn't. >> Yeah. >> Um Like I told you, we got questions. We're trying to fill some >> Of course. >> holes in time and everything. >> Yeah. >> Um Cuz you're down here, she's the same thing as yesterday. Um I'm going to read it to you if you want to follow along. You understand those rights? Knowing those rights, do you still want to talk to us? >> Well, we'll we'll we'll we'll get into all that. You know, we're going to show you some pictures. >> Okay. >> But uh so we just kind of want you to point out >> Okay. >> all the bruises and all the small little nicks and scratches that you were aware of >> Got you. >> and exactly how they happened and and all that stuff. >> We've got quite a few. >> Okay. >> Um They may or may not be easy to look at. You know. >> Okay. >> Just start off just to give you >> with the pebbles that you're talking about when she fell. >> Okay. It's It's not pebbles. I mean, it's a gravel driveway. Like it's not pebbles. It's TJ just redid it and it's I mean, it's >> It's rocks. >> Yeah, it's rocks. It's not pebbles. >> Okay. >> Yep. Exactly where she fell and on her chin. She didn't even Her hand didn't even hit. Like she just She What she was doing, and I can show you how she was running, ran like this and then looked back and went like that. Literally. >> Did she slide or >> No. It was just bam. Bam. Yeah. She kept and she got right back up and kept running. I said, "Hannah, are you okay?" "I'm okay." >> So So all of these So all these small little bruises and the ones on the chin. >> Yes, I know about those right there. >> And even the one on the >> Yes, that I'm going to go with the chin. Yep. >> And the neck there. >> Yep. Yep. That's all that's >> that. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Okay. You saw I mean >> The neck Yes. >> Up under her chin like that. So >> Well >> She would have been extended pretty far. >> She did She went like that. Now I've not seen that one. That might be from the choo-choo train fall or something, but I've not seen that one now. Just trying to >> Yep. We're just trying to account for >> yeah. But my My mom that triggered something in me yesterday when I was talking to her. >> Okay. >> That she just felt like Hannah was not right Monday. >> Okay. >> And she has been complaining of headaches the past couple weeks. And to me since I've known her, her balance and stability has always been off. She's not >> She's uncoordinated. >> Yeah. Well, I feel like her legs have always been kind I don't know like how that what that I don't know how to make that sound the way I want it to sound. I don't know. She's just I don't know how she >> She's not coordinated. >> She's not coordinated. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, even with dance. She No, she literally just collapsed in front of me. >> Okay. >> Just >> Did you notice the ears as well? >> No. I've not No. Her hair's always over her >> Mhm. Okay. And then you got a picture of the ear here. You got the back of her ear here. >> Mhm. >> Um >> I don't know. >> I mean that's, you know, So this is bruised on both sides. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Um there's a piece of cartilage in the ear. So Yeah, this isn't one continuous bruise, basically. >> Yeah. >> It's Yeah, it's two bruises. >> I didn't >> It didn't burst through. It's It's something on the front and the back, it looks like. >> I've Never noticed her ears. >> that? >> Never noticed her ears. >> Okay. What about that little scratch there, it looks like? >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> No, and she won't let me fix her hair or do anything with her hair. And if I like even do a little ponytail, she takes it out. I've I've never >> Okay. >> And her hair's always like >> Okay. >> No, I've never noticed this. But I feel like that was from collapsing. >> First correct? >> Of the choo-choo train? >> No, uh Thursday when she fell when she went unconscious. >> Yes. >> Um What Exactly how did you move her and into what position did you move her into? >> wasn't sure what was happening, so I kind of picked her up and I was like, "Hannah, are you okay?" And I probably did the wrong thing cuz I wasn't sure what was happening and I "Are you okay? Do you What's wrong? What's wrong? Wake up. Like what's What's going on with you?" >> So you down? >> I had been down, yeah. And I'm like, well, at first I said, "Hannah, are you okay? Get up." I thought maybe she'd like tripped over her pants or something cuz sometimes she'll try to like take off her shoes while she's standing up. >> Yeah. >> And she didn't get up and I'm like, "Are you okay? What's up?" And she was like not saying anything to me. And so I picked her up and I'm like, "Hannah, I probably shook her. Like, "Are you okay?" And I just shouldn't have done that. I don't know what you mean. I don't know if I shook her. I just was like, "Hannah, and I was holding her. Like, "Hannah, are you okay?" And then so I laid her down and that's when I called Jason. >> [snorts] >> And I said, "Jason, she's There's something wrong with Hannah. She's not waking up. I don't know what happened. She just started She just walked in the door and collapsed." I said, "You need to come up here now." >> So you Were you holding her during that time? >> now I was >> You were down on the >> Yeah. Yeah, I had laid her down. I wasn't holding her very long, but like I didn't understand why she wasn't coming to. Like >> Yeah. And you're you're shaking her to get her to come to. How are you shaking her? >> Not shaking her. Just like, "Hannah, are you okay? Hannah, are you okay? Hannah, are you okay? >> to wake her. Okay. So, you when you're down, you were down on one knee, two knees? Over top of her? >> Yeah. I mean, I was down, yeah. Looked better. >> Okay. So, where was the bruising again on Wednesday that you noticed before you sent her home? >> Under the eye and on the cheek bone. >> And her eye. >> And in her eye, yes. >> Okay. So, none of this up here or over here was quite there. >> Not yet, no. No. >> All right. >> There may be in the line there already, but I wouldn't have been able to know if her eyes were open, you know, I don't know that I noticed that, but I yeah, I definitely saw that and definitely saw the inside of that eye. >> Okay. So, when when you're over here, you're going to have some here. >> And she could have. I don't know. I honestly I was just coming out of the door and they told me to go >> bruising over here and over here and none in the middle. >> Yeah. >> And then the bruising would have been here and up underneath there, there would have been no bruising. That's a soft spot that you're naturally your body naturally protects cuz it's the way your body tucks in like that. It's tucked in. >> Um and that's what That's what we're getting. That's why we wanted you to come down and fill in some of these holes. >> Yeah. >> Um because I mean, honestly I've been pretty honest with you this morning. A lot of these aren't adding up to a fall on the gravel. >> Yeah. >> With with it being over here >> Mhm. >> and down here and then these I mean, she would have had to fall in like in some perfectly aligned gravel to get >> And here here's another thing on the on the chest. Once again, you don't have to be a doctor, you've got to be a mom or a dad, okay? You see that bruise? >> Mhm. >> What's that kind of look like? >> Is it older? >> Older. >> Yeah. >> Older older. There's some yellowing all through here and then see this here? That looks what would you say? >> Older. >> To me, that looks brand new. >> Oh, okay. >> That looks newer than even >> Okay, yeah. See, I don't know. >> So, what it kind of looks like is that these are all from a different time. >> Yeah. And like I said, she is she is well I don't I don't think that she's been here I really don't think that she's been hurt. I >> You don't? >> No, I honestly don't in my gut intuition. I don't think that he's a bad guy. I really don't. I think that he is a simple guy. >> what here's one thing that we that um Now, this is from a senior prior to her getting to your house. >> Okay. I don't know what that means. >> And it wasn't Thursday and it wasn't Wednesday for sure. >> Yeah. I don't >> That's That's the problem we keep running up against. >> Yeah. >> Um >> You know, we've got we've got these world-renowned neurologists >> Mhm. >> saying, "Nope. This didn't happen Thursday. It surely didn't happen Wednesday. This happened immediately. This injury happened and she went down." >> She literally walked in >> And that's what these people do obviously. >> Yeah, no. I I >> And that's what and the doctor >> Yeah, no. I >> And I told you we're throwing we're what we know what we know from yesterday, everything we know we we're telling the doctors this is what we're being told. Doctor says, "Nah." That It was a hit. They see thousands of these. He says Doctor says it was a hit and she went down. >> I would never hit a kid. I I >> Okay. >> I don't even spank my own. >> Well, someone in that house I'm going to be completely honest with you. Someone in that house after dad dropped her off injured this kid to the point where she's unconscious. Or a dramatic fall or something. Okay? I mean, you would you would have seen her you saw her collapse. It was immediate that she collapsed after this. You you and you said you said you you never lost eye contact her from with [clears throat] with the time she walked in, you followed her in and she collapsed. That's not possible. That's not That's not possible. I believe she walked in. >> Yeah, she did. >> But uh I believe all that. But as soon as you guys went into the house, something happened. There's no doubt there's Listen to me. Listen to me. There's no doubt that something happened. Something absolutely happened, okay? We're not going back to Wednesday. We're not going back to the morning that Dad had her. We're beyond even that. We've it's narrowed down by by brain surgeons that that it happened right when right before she hit the ground. That's That's when it happened. And you just told us and you told us several times that she you were looking at her. >> Yeah. >> It's not like she walked around the corner and you came around and was like, "What the hell happened?" >> No, she was right there. Yes, sir. >> Yes, sir. >> But something caused her to collapse. She didn't just collapse. >> Traumatic brain injury. >> That's what this is. >> Traumatic. >> Okay. You called for help. >> Yes. >> Okay. So >> As soon as she As soon as she fell >> There's no There's no doubt in our minds that this was an accident. >> Yeah. >> This was a horrible horrible accident. >> Thursday morning. >> That That's This is a horrible accident. And you have to tell us Listen to me. Listen. Listen. And you have to tell us exactly what that accident was. >> Yes. >> Because her her she's still being treated. Something caused Look, something caused this, okay? in her head. She fell because of that. All right. What caused that? >> What accident caused this? >> She fell on the door and hit the concrete step. >> When? >> Thursday morning. >> Walking in the Walking in the house? >> Yes. >> Tell us about it. Take us through it. >> Details. >> So, when I opened up the door, she was coming through and she slipped on that concrete step and the metal part she hit the metal part on her eye. >> Which door? >> The The one. >> Back door to the house. >> Yeah, the back door into the house, the carpet. And so, I got her back up and she stood up and looked up at me and did say, "I want donut and couch." And then collapsed. >> We appreciate you being honest there. I mean, you know, it's an acc- it's an accident. You called for help. >> This is my fault. I should have protected her. >> It's not your fault. >> have let her fall. I should have been holding her. >> It's not your fault. But, here's the thing. You've gone through every single one of these injuries and you had no problems telling us about these. Okay? And even the injury Even the Even the injury that that you were thinking uh put her in the situation she was in, you told us about that no problem. What's the difference? What's the difference in this injury >> Cuz I >> and the one You were there for both of them. If you thought this one put her in the hospital, >> I didn't think that one did it. I didn't >> Yeah, you And that's still the same thing. You're under You own this one. You said this one happened while we were watching her. Okay? You called for help. Why lie about this one? About about her falling. Is there a problem with it? >> it was Because I I thought it was my fault and I thought she was having a seizure and I didn't want Jason to be mad at me that she slipped and fell and I wasn't holding her. And I was trying to grab her blanket from her. >> Here's Here's the thing. >> But, I thought it was my fault that she was having a seizure. I thought she was having a seizure. I was scooping out her mouth. >> Okay. So, she's So, go through that again. Go Go through that exactly what happened. >> door. I'm like, "Can I go in and I'll take your jacket or blanket?" And when I went to take her blanket, she it slipped off and I slipped and fell. >> Tell us what happened. >> So, I slipped on her blanket when I opened the door and we both went down and she hit that concrete step really hard. >> Where at? On On her head? Where? >> Yeah, cuz I was holding her on the left side. And when I slipped, it hit her side. I actually hit my head on the door coming down, but she smacked her face her whole her her head really hard on that concrete step. >> Okay. And then what happened? >> We got up. I tried to tried to get her to come to. She did ask me for a donut in couch out in the garage, not inside, but she did when we first walked in and Jason walked out. She said >> you're saying she asked that before? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And I fell. >> Okay. Do you know [snorts] what touch DNA is? >> No. >> Okay. So, anytime someone touches something, okay? Like right now, I just left billions of skin cells, okay? You can get them from fingernails, you can get them from >> [snorts] >> anything you touch, okay? And you can transfer them from person to person, okay? Um all it takes is seven skin cells to be >> Nice. >> Right. To to to uh to be tested, okay? So, like I said, when you touch something, you leave billions of them, okay? >> Nice. >> Is there any reason at all that your DNA or any of your skin cells or fingernail cells or anything at all would be inside this specific wound. >> Probably because I rub I did the vapor rub and all that stuff on her. Yeah, I'm sure there is. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I did the vapor rub and the salt and I even did my essential oils and >> Mhm. >> Yeah, I'm sure there is. >> Okay, do you know if the >> And yep. >> So it being the same >> do the gravel a lot >> Okay. >> because of the trucks coming >> I mean this you know you you [snorts] said that these are different stages of healing, right? >> Okay. Tell us about this. I think you know about these two. >> I don't know about this. >> I think you do. >> I don't. I honestly don't know. >> I'm positive you do. >> Why would you think I know about them? >> Cuz you just lied to us. How how many times about >> What? >> Well, you are. Would you give me how many times and tell us how she what happened with the fall, okay? Can you see how that doesn't look good? >> Yeah. >> And we understand you called for help, okay? We're not getting mad at you or anything. We just want to know what happened. We want to know everything that happened. We want to know how Earlier today I heard she Did you go to college? >> Yeah. >> Okay. What did you go to college for? >> Uh teaching. >> Teaching. Did you get to teach when you got >> No, my dad owns a trucking company, so I stayed on as his secretary. >> Okay. And I guess that >> But I did teach preschool and daycare, like >> And I saw a a slice of your life this morning at 9:00 a.m. >> Yeah. >> Kids screaming. >> Mhm. >> You know, it's loud. Things get hectic. >> loud. >> Okay. Are you ever mad at the way that turned out? >> No, I love I love babies. >> I'm not saying you don't love your kids. >> No, no, no. Yeah, no. >> But do you ever wish I mean you went to college to teach. >> Yeah, no I don't. I want to be home with my kids. That's why we were That's why I wanted to be with T.J. cuz >> Okay. >> he wanted a mom to stay home with kids. Yeah. >> Do you ever, have you ever lost it? Did you ever get mad? >> No. I mean, I yell at I yell at TJ >> I did this one >> I do, yeah. >> What do you >> I don't mean it like that. I don't ever, yeah. >> You get mad and you scream and you yell and you stomp around, you might throw a paper you know, a rag or something, okay? >> Yeah. >> Um >> Well, yeah, of course I get >> Things build up. >> It's called a fit of rage. >> Yeah. >> I've had plenty of them, yeah, so >> I don't mean it like I'm But like not in general. >> Remember when we talked about this? >> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Okay? Um A lot of these are consistent with what we've seen before. Okay? With kids being hurt. >> Yeah. >> Not by falls. This isn't from her falling while she's walking, okay? There's reasons that she has all these, okay? And I We think you know why she has them. >> Listen. >> Okay. >> Hannah has been abused. No doubt about it. And it's not her father. >> Have you grabbed her ear? >> Yeah, probably. >> What do you mean, probably? >> I'm never No, I don't I don't grab I know and I've never hit her. >> Listen. You you are at home for 12 plus hours a day with a kid that's not yours and three other ones. You cannot tell me that that does not drive you bonkers. >> I mean, yeah, I don't do fits of rage. >> All it takes is That's the That's the only thing that could explain >> All it takes is a fit or two. A fit of rage. >> If you lost your temper, you lost your temper. It's not like you're these kids come over so you can hurt them. I don't We don't think that that's the case. >> you're demented woman who's like, "Yeah, bring her over here so I can beat the [ __ ] out of her." >> That's not what we're saying. >> I don't think so. >> of rage. >> Okay. If If >> That's what's done this. >> What's going on here? Tell us about it. >> You've been honest with us so far. >> Yeah. >> Why stop? >> us about it. >> Oh. >> Whatever you're thinking, just speak it. >> I really don't know what to say. >> Start Start with these. How do these get here? >> I didn't do that. I don't know. >> Okay. >> I really didn't do that. I don't know. >> How does this happen? >> I slapped her upside the head. >> With what? >> My hand. >> Open? Closed? >> And what what caused that? >> Took all of the I don't know why she was in trouble. She took all the ketchup out and squirted it into the toilet that while I wasn't looking. >> That's frustrating. >> And I'm like, "Hannah!" >> Really, yeah. >> Yeah. What else had she done that day? Is this like a culmination of things building up? >> TV, yes. >> What day was that? Was it last week? This week? This week? Earlier this week? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And I didn't think that I hurt her. I really didn't. >> Well, it may not have. I mean, kids are tough. They're not, you know, they're they Trust me. You know >> Yeah. >> as well as anybody else does. They're very resilient and and you're not and you're not going to know. >> Tell us about that. >> I didn't I don't I really did not hit her on the chin. >> I know you're not saying anything. >> Right, yeah. I don't >> Did she talk back to you? >> No. >> She doesn't? >> Not one bit. >> Does she not listen to you? Like if she if she >> She actually does listen. >> If she's watching a a show and you tell her to do something, does she not listen? You get her How do you get her attention when she doesn't listen? >> Hannah's got to listen to Buddy. >> Does she not eat well >> No, she eats great. She eats all day long. >> And then tell us what happened here. Tell us about that. This was not a fall in the driveway. >> It's not. >> We know what this is consistent with. >> Yeah. >> Look at me. We do this for a living. >> No, I know. >> Okay. This is not the first 3-year-old that we're staring at pictures about, okay? We know exactly what caused this. Okay? Exactly. It's not a fall. And you know what caused this. Just like you knew what caused this. Okay? >> What was >> So what caused this? >> I smacked her on the chin for doing the ketchup. That was the same thing. >> Okay. So this is the same incident. >> Yes. >> Tell us about this. How did Cuz this is not a smack. I just want to tell you right now, this is not a deep bone contusion from an open-handed smack. Okay? Knowing that >> I didn't do it like that. >> Listen. Knowing that we know that, what happened here? >> It's the the same thing. It was the same incident. >> Tell us though what happened this these specific bruises. >> When she was I caught her doing the ketchup, you know, I took it away and I put her on the potty cuz I think she had to go pee anyway and I said, "Hannah, you can't do the ketchup." And I got mad and I just slapped her on the side of the head and went like that. >> Closed? >> Yeah, like that. >> How many times? Don't say once. >> I don't know. >> Cuz cuz look, bruise, bruise. >> Okay. Um Does he give you permission to to discipline or I mean spank and stuff? Okay. >> Which I don't really spank. I don't even know why I was mad that day. >> So these were closed fists like uppercuts? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And this was an open-handed smack. Was it really open-handed? >> Yeah. Yes. >> Yes. All right. Now, the bruises on the chest. >> I honestly >> Listen. Listen. >> No, I believe you. >> Do you see the pattern here? >> Yes. >> Deny. Deny. Deny. >> How about this big one down here? >> I did not touch her chest. I'm definitely telling you the most positive truth. I did not touch her chest. >> Okay. So, look >> But, I was mad that day when she did that. >> at this. Okay. >> And we also Sorry to interrupt. We also know exactly what these are. >> Yeah. >> They're In all of these cases, they're consistent. I mean, you can literally take 100 of them and put them up on the board right here and they're all going to have the same exact bruises. And anyone who knows what they're talking about or what they're looking at will say, "This is this. This is this. This is this. This is this." >> That's up to you, okay? Here. I don't Does that make me a bad person? >> I really don't like kids that are mine. I have a lot of kids. >> different than anybody else. >> I had a lot of I I've had some things going on. I had a miscarriage um 2 weeks ago. >> Oh, my god. >> I gave birth to a baby in the toilet. And I mean, actually a baby in the toilet. >> Okay. >> Um That was really traumatic and I took care of it for days. 14 weeks. And they told me at my 13-week appointment, "You have a heartbeat, but it was dead." And that they could take it out then or let me let it pass. And I felt like I was getting an abortion if I let them do that. So, I waited. And 3 days later, I was in labor at 4:00 a.m. And I've had C-sections, so I didn't understand what was happening with the pressure and all that. >> Mhm. >> And 3 hours later, I >> How long ago was this? >> Right at the end of February. >> Okay. Have you been trying to have another one? Been having a hard time? >> Yeah. >> Do you know about her mother? >> Um miscarriage. >> Do you know about her mother? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Does that piss you off? >> Yes. And I don't know why I hurt her. I don't know why I even slapped her. >> No, I'm talking >> I know why I was. I It was me. >> Does her mother piss you off? >> Yes. Hardcore because I would never Yeah. >> You're trying to have a child. Um so we've got all of the injuries except these narrowed down. Okay? I think you know about these. And you've You're being honest with us. >> Yeah. >> every day. You The hard part is just saying it out loud cuz you probably haven't even said it out loud yet, right? You have Have you told DJ about it? About how you feel? About maybe going too far with with with Hannah? >> It's too much. It's too much on one person. >> It was. It was It was a >> You need to get it out, okay? Let's finish it. Let's get it all the way through, okay? It's probably the same incident. Was it? Was it the same incident? What happened? >> Hannah, you know better. >> She would know that. >> I didn't hurt her. I wasn't even trying to hurt her. I was just trying to get her attention. I was like, "You can't >> This stuff didn't hurt her. This stuff's not what hurt her. The one that may have hurt, obviously, but she's being disciplined. >> And I'm not like that. I really am not an aggressive person. I've never even like >> Well, normally, but these aren't normal circumstances. >> Yeah, I'm not normal right now. >> No. >> I'm not. >> No. >> And I've been >> Are there times where you've you've you've got her in the chest where some are healing and some aren't? >> No, but I remember one morning she was >> What was that that you just did? >> I just kind of like squeezed her when I picked her up like cuz she was Jason was late and that morning he >> what these are. >> Yeah, probably. >> These are little pinch bruises. >> Yeah, where I squeezed her >> The shirt does that. >> Because Jason was like, "No, I got to go. I'm in a hurry. I'm in a hurry. I'm in a hurry." cuz she was She kept wanting to give him more kisses, which is normal. to her mom, too. He's like, "Will you grab her? I got to go." So, I remember grabbing her up and squeezing her like, "Hannah, you got to stop. You got >> Okay. >> Your dad's got to go." >> Okay. >> I remember doing that. >> Mhm. And now, now that we're being honest, we got everything out on the table, right? >> Yeah. >> Tell us about when she What the step in when she fell and hit her head. Cuz I don't Not the Not the Not the fall. Listen. >> No, I I'm honestly telling >> Were you mad when you dropped her off? >> No. Not at all. >> I I don't believe that the fall really happened. Okay? >> I I I wouldn't believe me either at this point. >> You know what? And just like we've worked through all this, we'll work through this. We'll work through it. This is the last thing, I promise you, that we've got to work through. >> So, I opened the door, I slipped, and we went down. I went down like this. >> caught you caught a lot of your weight with with one hand. >> Yeah, and I I was I I'm not strong enough, obviously. I tried to like keep her up towards me, and I mean, we went down hard. Didn't hit her Thursday morning. I I'm being dead honest. We fell. >> We fell. >> The fall is not what knocked her unconscious. What knocked her unconscious? >> I did not. I wouldn't I would never hurt anybody that bad. I don't >> Listen, you would never mean to. >> No, and I didn't. I wasn't I wasn't >> Listen, listen, you would never mean to hurt her. >> No. >> But you have. Okay, listen. What if What if when she was sitting on the toilet and you hit her in the head right here and she would have went unconscious? Would you have meant to do that? >> No. >> That's where we're at. There's no doubt you didn't mean to do any of this, okay? You're under more stress and Oh my I I can't even imagine. I literally can't imagine what you're going through right now. And here you are looking at another 12 hours ahead of you. She's dropped off. You got another 12 hours ahead of you. And she's probably hyperish. >> She's not hyper in the morning. I I'm telling you that. >> No, >> not concerned about you looking me in the eye. You looked at me in the eye I mean, for whatever reason you you don't want to say it. You've already said all this, okay? >> I am. >> And it takes a lot. It takes a lot of courage to come in here after being here yesterday and telling us nothing happened, and then us showing up this morning, you probably kind of figured that what we wanted to talk about. >> Yeah, of course. >> And you come in [snorts] and you want to tell us. I think you do because you feel bad for it, right? >> I do. I don't know. >> It's not your fault. >> I protected >> But you're not in your right mind. Right? You said >> No one No one is listening to you when you're telling them that you need attention. You need this and you need that. You need some time to yourself. This is the end of a long week. It's not your fault. I don't blame you. He don't blame you. >> Yeah, but the court's going to think it's my fault, and then I'm going to be without my kids and in prison. >> Listen. That's a long way away. Listen. You are a person that does the right thing. I already know that. You This is like someone who gets on drugs and steals from their grandma. It's not them. It happens all the time. It's not them. >> But I would never do that. >> It's literally like a chemical imbalance, okay? Cuz you're not in your right mind right now. >> No, I'm not. >> You're not. >> I didn't hit her though. I I'm I'm >> Well, then what happened? >> We did fall. >> Did you shake her? >> Yeah. Cuz I was trying to get her to come, too. >> How hard? >> Like I had her by the arm. >> I mean prior to her passing out. Is that what caused this? >> I'm trying to think when I >> Because here's here's the thing. I don't think that you're strong enough or big enough to strike her >> No. >> to cause this damage. And I don't think the doctor would, either. >> No, I'm and I didn't hit her Thursday at all. >> I believe you. >> Yeah, we fell. >> that you did not hit her. >> Yeah. >> Tell me what happened. >> We fell, she smacked her head. We got up and I shook her, trying to get her to come to. >> I'm talking, this takes a shaking. >> I probably shook her hard then. I was trying to get her to come to. I didn't understand what was happening. >> Tell us about it. >> And I'm like a minute probably like, "Hannah, wake up." And then I remember like put her on my thing on my I sat down like this. I was on the floor and I was like holding her like spread like her legs are like that. I'm like, "Hannah, wake up. Hannah, wake up. What is wrong with you?" And I'm like, "Do you want some juice? Do you want some juice? What's wrong with you? What Why aren't you waking up? Why aren't you waking up?" >> How was her head and going when you were shaking her? Was it really snapping back and forth? >> No, her body was limp, but she was And when I would say her name, she was responding to me. >> Okay. >> At that point. >> Okay. >> But we did fall. >> How were you holding her when you were when you did shake her? For a minute long, you said. >> Yeah, cuz I was trying to >> How were you holding her? >> I had her like up like >> Up underneath her arms? >> Yeah, I had her >> Up underneath her arms or above on her shoulders? >> Yeah, like this. >> Both arms in your hands? >> Yes, like this. >> Shaking like this. And so if you're I mean, if you're holding her like this and she's out of it, how is her head snapping around? >> Like that. >> Pretty bad? Like violently snapping around? >> I don't know if violently's the right word, but I I was very >> You're panicked. >> I was very panicked. >> So >> Very panicked. >> You're probably going to be moving a lot faster and a lot stronger than you normally would because you wanted to You realized something was >> I was really trying to get her to wake up. >> So how hard were you shaking her, really hard? >> Probably. >> Okay. >> Can I >> Okay. You You know You can say >> I think I would have like actually like dropped her at some Not dropped her, but like I don't even know what It was so fast and I was so panicked. >> Do you know what um I'm sure you've heard of shaken baby syndrome? >> Yeah, and now after that I'm like, why did I do that? Why was Why didn't I just lay her down? >> Mhm. >> And I did after that. I laid her down cuz I thought she was having a se- after I could couldn't get her to come to. It was a minute. I laid her down and turned over to the side and was trying to do that. Like I said it didn't >> Okay. >> I called Jason and 911. >> I mean you >> Yeah. I was trying to get her to come to. I didn't understand what was happening. >> Okay. So, what what made her >> [snorts] >> lose consciousness to begin with? >> The us hitting the floor. She real She really hit that step. I fell hard. And I caught myself and I thought I had her enough. And then the blanket was wrapped up in my other you know, my arm. I didn't think she I didn't >> Did you shake her before she went unconscious? >> No, I was holding her. >> And then I >> I'm not talking about the fall. The fall did not make her did not give her this this brain damage. It it it just didn't happen. >> The The fall didn't knock her out. >> The fall did not. You I mean you said just the day before she fell standing up. >> Yeah, which is why I didn't I thought >> Here Here's the thing about a 3-year-old's brain, okay? Mine and your brain, there's very little room. You know that, right? A 3-year-old's brain's got a lot of room. They can sustain a lot more head trauma than we can. >> Yeah. >> Okay? So, what made her go unconscious? >> Probably me shaking her. Well, she was on >> Tell us Tell us >> come to. Like when we when we fell and I picked her or I picked her up >> do to make you shake her? >> She wasn't answering me. >> Uh I'm not talking about This is before the fall you're talking. Before she would have went unconscious, something had to have happened before she went unconscious. Tell us what happened. >> You know exactly what happened and it was not the fault. So, stop repeating the fault. I'm done hearing about the fault. It was not the fault. >> What was it? >> I sat her >> No, just >> I'm trying I'm trying to go through my >> have to recount You don't have to recount it. You know exactly what it is. This is the probably the most traumatic thing that's ever happened in your life. It would be mine. And I think it would be anybody's. So, don't Don't sit here and pretend like you got to recount it cuz you know exactly what happened. You'll never forget it. For the rest of your life, you will never forget it. Now is the time That is not a normal circumstance for you. You are in over your head. No one is blaming you. All we're asking is that you get this off your chest and do the right thing because that's what you do. You do the right thing. >> Yeah. >> She called you buddy. >> She is my buddy. >> I There's no doubt. Everywhere No doubt. No doubt. No doubt. For her, you love her, right? For her, she can't talk. >> Very much. >> She can't talk. Okay? For her. Tell us what happened. >> Well, so she didn't want him to go to work. And he's like, "I got to go. I got to go." So, he rushed out and I was like, "Hannah, you can't do that. Daddy's got to go to work." >> You shook her. >> Yeah. >> Then she fell unconscious. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um I kind of I shook her and then I remember picking her up and squeezing her and we did fall. But she And she did ask me for donut and couch before I >> How hard did you shake her? Like, what what was the shake? >> What was the shake? >> She was in trouble. >> She had me. Yeah. And you were angry. >> Yeah. Cuz she Cuz he asks her every morning to not do that. He asks her I'm in a hurry. >> How many times? Just Like you're looking at a 12-hour day ahead of you and you're already dealing with this. >> doing this already. >> Did she cry? >> No. >> Didn't make her cry? >> No. >> Okay. Then what happened? >> I picked her up with the blanket and that's when we fell. And then all that happened. >> Okay. >> I saw the tree. >> So you take her from dad, set her down. >> He set her down first. >> She's lying after dad. Correct. You pick her up, close the door, dad goes. >> Yes. >> And is that when you shook her? How do you How are you holding her when you shook her? >> By shoulders. >> Outside or underneath? Was she standing up? >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> I was on the >> In front of her? You guys face to face? Okay. Your hands Were you angry? >> Not necess- No, not necessarily. Just frustrated because >> Frustrated. >> she knows that it's late and needs to go and when he says that >> And it happens every morning? >> Not every morning, but quite a lot. >> It'd be frustrating? >> Yeah, at this point because she know she knows. We've been doing this for a while, you know. >> How hard is her head going back and forth when you're shaking her? >> I don't >> Cuz we cuz cuz doctors doctors know. >> Yeah, I mean I don't >> And then you've already said you know what >> Everything's such a blur at this point. >> what [clears throat] shaken baby syndrome is and and that's an actual textbook term. >> that that would hurt her at 3 years old already. I don't know. I guess I thought that that was an infant thing. I don't know. I didn't think ever like I don't know. I just didn't think that I was hurting her. >> think a shaken baby would happen with a 3-year-old? >> I don't know. I guess cuz I thought it was like preschool age. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I didn't think about their brains being small still like I don't know. >> Yeah. So So [snorts] how frustrated were you? >> Not really that frustrated. I That's >> So how many times long shake her? >> I don't know. >> How long? How many seconds? >> How many seconds? >> I mean, just enough to where You know better than to do that. Why would you do that? Your dad's late. We can't do that. You know better than that. What are we going to do tomorrow morning? >> Like until she's whining, until she stops whining? >> Yeah. I mean, it was >> And you walk in the house, that's when you notice she was unconscious. >> Yeah. Well, we fell. We did fall. I'm not lying about that. >> you fall? >> Cuz I slipped on the blanket and the step. We did fall. >> Snatch her up real quick and go on in the house cuz you were angry still? Is that what caused you to fall or did you fall? >> Probably. Yeah, cuz I Well, cuz I was doing it quickly. >> Did you turn around and >> Yeah. >> steps kind of behind you? >> No, I was No, when I opened the door, it got me off balance and I went to step and that's when I slipped. I was in a hurry. I was trying to get inside. >> So, when you got up, you noticed she was unconscious? >> From the fall? Yes. >> No. The fall's not what rendered her unconscious. >> Well, the shake might have, but I didn't notice that. I just >> But she stopped whining while you >> stopped whining while you were shaking her. >> That's what I'm saying. You had a hold of her and you don't know if she's conscious or not. You fall down, she hits the ground, and you shook her some more to try to wake her up. >> Yeah. >> Did you shake her as hard as you had just shaken her a few seconds before? >> Probably, cuz I was so panicked and I didn't understand what was happening. I didn't understand what was >> And you shook her for about a minute at that point? >> know. I mean, I don't know. Not a minute. It can't be that long, but like it feels like I don't know. I don't know. I'm awful. I didn't know I was going to hurt her. I wouldn't >> You did the right thing. By By telling us this, you've done the right thing. Okay? >> I love her. I was at the hospital all night last night praying. >> What was your biggest source of frustration? Other than Other than everything else. >> I'm just and lonely and sometimes like even with my own kids, you know, when they do bad things it frustrates you and it just >> [snorts] >> I don't know, like you go clean up a room and then they destroy it again. And it's just frustration. It's not like >> Yeah, I don't see how you do it. >> I want to do it. I actually really enjoy it and I've ruined my whole life. >> Well, in in normal circumstances you probably do, but but but at least [snorts] the last few weeks you're not enjoying this. You are not enjoying her shoving it up every day. >> Is there anything before the end of February where you've lost your temper with her and done anything? >> No, she's just >> So it's all been pretty much focused right after the end of February up till up till yesterday. >> Yeah. >> Is this primarily focused on her? >> She's the one that follows me around. She's the one that's mischievous. >> She's underfoot all the time? >> Yeah. >> So your kids >> love her. I don't know why I wouldn't even poop her. >> I know. >> I mean you you you feel better? >> Yeah. >> You got it off your chest? You look better. To be honest with you, I mean all that just >> don't want anybody to know. Like I feel like I'm a horrible person. >> You're embarrassed? >> Very. >> You feel I mean >> Are you kidding me? >> Yeah. Now that you've laid it all out >> all night I cry. >> You feel responsible for everything that happened? What would you say to dad if you could talk to him right now? >> I'm sorry. >> What what would what would you say if he asked why? >> Lonely and frustrated and sad >> [snorts] >> She just does She did It was a mischievous thing and I just bought the ketchup and I don't know. >> I know what he would probably ask. I'm going to ask you why her. >> I don't know. >> What He you know >> Cuz of the mischievous stuff. The other ones don't >> Why my He's going to He's going to want to know why my daughter. Out of the four that's there, why my daughter? What would you say to that? >> What I just said. Just some of the mischievous things and frustration. I don't know. >> Okay. Answer whether you need your attorney or not and we're obviously not >> Why can't you answer that? >> We're not allowed to We're not allowed to Um you know You've been talking with us. It's your choice that you have to make. Um you chose to talk with us. >> Am I going to be arrested? >> We don't know right now. >> We don't know. We don't know if there is even charges on this. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> We have to look into it. That's what we're We're going to what we're going to walk out of here. We're going to We're going to sit down. We're going >> And the doctors are going to lay in We got a lot a lot to think >> A lot to think about right now, okay? >> We would appreciate if you stayed here and so we could ask you any if we had anything else. >> Yeah. >> Can I have my babies? >> We need some time. I just I don't I don't know where they're at. They were down the hall. We have >> All right. >> I just want to go home. And my babies? I won't go anywhere. I just want to go home. >> Well, you're being charged. So, you're you're not you're not you're not going home. >> Wait, what? What does that mean? >> It means you're being charged. Criminally charged. So, if you need to use the restroom or you want something to eat or you need something to drink. >> But I don't Can you talk to me for Are you allowed to talk to me for a minute? >> You're being charged with felonious assault. >> Okay. >> Okay? So, we've got some paperwork to do and then you're under arrest. You're going to the back. All right, you'll have a bond. And then if she dies as a result of these injuries, we will consult with the prosecutor's office and the charges could be upgraded. >> Lindsay Partin was arrested at the end of that second interview and charged with felonious assault and child endangering. On March 15th, 2018, a Butler County Grand Jury indicted her on those charges. Three days later, Hannah died at Cincinnati Children's Hospital. The following week, the Grand Jury returned new charges, murder, involuntary manslaughter, and four counts of endangering children. Her trial began in April 2019. Prosecutors argued that she had lost control and beaten Hannah weeks after suffering a miscarriage. Partin took the stand and told the jury her confession was false, that she had felt pressured by the detectives and had said what she said to protect other people. Her defense argued that Hannah's father or a fall could account for the injury and a defense pathologist testified that Hannah might have had a lucid interval after it. The prosecution's doctors testified she could not have acted normally for more than moments. After an eight-day trial and about 12 hours of deliberation, the jury found Partin guilty on every count on April 12th, 2019. On May 9th, Judge Greg Stevens imposed the maximum sentence, life in prison with parole eligibility after 18 years. In 2020, Ohio's 12th District Court of Appeals upheld her conviction. Hannah Wesche was 3 years old. Even in that interview room, the woman later convicted of her murder described a little girl who asked her father for two kisses at the door, who wanted a powdered donut and cartoons on the couch before breakfast, and who loved to dance. Hannah called her buddy. She never had the chance to tell anyone what happened to her that morning. This film is dedicated to her memory. If you value real police interrogations, critical moments, and the investigative strategies that uncover the truth, subscribe to Evidence Lab Interrogation and turn on notifications so you don't miss the next interrogation. Until next time, stay observant because in the interrogation room, every word matters.