I don't know what happened. I told you that. >> I didn't do nothing to him. All I know that he went to sleep last night and he was stay. He was still breathing. I seen his chest moving. >> On the night of the 14th of November 2020, in an apartment on South Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue in Clearwater, Florida, a 7-year-old boy named Kyrie Gordon lay down after his bath and did not get up again. Kyrie was spending the weekend at his father's place, the way he did most weekends. His father, Tony Gordon, left for an overnight shift somewhere between 7:00 and 7:30 that evening. That left Kyrie and four other children in the apartment with one adult, his father's girlfriend, 33-year-old Shantae Marie Belchure. By around 8, Shantae could not wake him. At 10, she and her 10-year-old son lifted him into a bathtub and ran cold water over his legs. She checked on him at midnight. She checked on him at 4:00 in the morning. She called 911 at a/4 to 9 the next day, roughly 12 hours after she first could not wake him. Kyrie was pronounced dead at Morton Plant Hospital. That afternoon, Shantae sat down with Clearwater detectives to account for those 12 hours. This is the interrogation of Shantae Marie Belchure. >> Good luck. Shante, I'm Detective Beaver. Okay. This is Detective Loader. I don't know if you spoke with him out there on the scene. Okay. I appreciate you coming down. Okay. I know you rode. Did you ride with your mom or did you drive yourself? >> I rode with my mom at 8. >> Okay. If you know I know you don't feel good or anything like that. If anytime you need to go to the bathroom, you know where it's at. Just get up and walk out [clears throat] the door and go to the bathroom. You want some water? We can get you some water or anything like that. Okay. Um, if at any time you need to leave or anything like that, you know which way we came in, right? We'll just go out these doors through the double doors, make a right down the elevator, and and um we'll get you out. Okay? You okay? I know this is this is hard for you right now, okay? But it's very important that we we talk to you, okay? Cuz we want to try to figure out what happened, okay? Do you mind do you mind doing that? >> Yes. >> Okay. How old are you? >> I'm 33. You're 33. Okay. Um, let me just make sure I have this Shante. S H A N T A Y. >> Yes. >> Which of the children live with you guys? >> All my kids stay with me. >> Okay. So, Tashan, Shamari, >> tonight. >> Tania stay with you. >> Uh, Unique does not. >> Mm. >> But what about Kyrie? >> He he only come on the weekends. >> Does he come every other week? every weekend, every other weekend, or >> um it's usually every weekend, but if the mom um she I don't know how to say it. One minute she'll let um Tony uh to come I mean let Kyrie come, next minute she don't. >> Okay. So, with that being said, then how often does he actually come over to the house? >> But um it been like almost every weekend in the last what month or so? >> Last month. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But it's it could be hit or miss. Yes. >> Okay. >> Have you been in contact with her since this morning? Do you know Tony's been in contact with her since this morning? >> I don't know. >> Okay. >> When I got a text from him, he said he's like really scared to tell her. >> Okay. Okay. Um what is he what is he afraid to tell her? >> That his son was dead. >> Okay. So, you do know then that he that he passed. How does Kyrie get to your house on Friday? >> Huh? Um Tony go pick him up. >> Okay. So Tony didn't work on Friday. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> Cuz he wanted to get um extra hours cuz um that's right. Reason why he worked last night. >> Okay. So Tony Tony didn't work on Friday, >> right? >> He picks up Kyrie about what time on Friday? >> I don't know exactly what time he picked him up, but when they got home, >> it was like after 11:30. >> Okay. 11:30 p.m. >> Mhm. Okay. Go ahead and take me through the weekend. >> Okay. I um got up yesterday. Well, actually, I was just laying down. >> Okay. And he goes to work. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Um what time did um Miss Scott leave the house? >> As soon as Tony and the kids get home. >> Okay. So, she left about It's fair enough. You said >> about 6:30. >> Okay. All right. So, she leaves about 6:30. Tony gets home. >> Mhm. >> And then Tony leaves her again between like 7:00 and 7:30. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And now you're home with who? >> With all the kids. >> Okay. And what happens after that? >> I have all the kids to go take a bath. >> Okay. >> Before I end up feeding them. >> Do they take a uh how do they take a bath? >> Um they put the little stopper in the tub and run the bath water. >> So they run their own bath water and um all of them. >> Mhm. Okay. Do they go individually go >> individually? >> Okay. >> Saying something's wrong. >> Nobody said they fell. >> I think they was tired. >> Where did they get home from? >> Yeah. >> Where they got home from? >> Yeah. Where they >> when he got home around 6:30? 600 or 6:30. Where did they Where did Where was Tony with the kids? >> Um I I think my son u said that um Tony took them to the park, two different parks. >> Okay. >> And took them to Publix to get something to eat. >> Do you know which parks? Uh, I know Logger Park was one of them. I don't know the other part. >> And do you know which parks they usually go to or where they went to? >> No, I don't. >> What time when did he leave with the kids to go get to the parks? >> He left I I want to say 11 or 12. I I don't know. I know he left before 12. I know that for sure. And him and the kids was like going all day. >> Was it just him and the kids? Mhm. >> Okay. So, so he takes the He knows you're doing hair. >> He takes the kids to the park for kind of get them out of your hair a little bit and they leave around noon and come back between like 6:00 and 6:30. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Um, how was Kyrie when he got home? >> He's just fine. Was there anything out of the ordinary or anything? >> Nothing. >> That's why I didn't understand. >> What's the What are some of his medical conditions? Do you know? >> I don't think he have any. >> Nothing. >> Mm-m. >> Okay. >> Uh uh I know he take ADHD meds, but that was it. But he ain't take none. Like when he's like in our care, >> I tried to wake him up. He want to get up. >> Was he sleeping before you left or Yeah. Tell me about how he got to bed and all that stuff. >> He went to go lay down after he um got dressed >> after the shower. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> And I I should have been got up, but I I just laid down and was playing on my phone. >> Okay. So, where was what time do you think he went to go lay down? >> As soon as he got done basing. >> So, sometime after 7:30. >> Yes. >> Okay. Did he say anything to you like he didn't feel good at that point? >> Did he look out of the ordinary, like something was wrong? >> No. >> Did he look tired or anything? >> No. >> Did he tell you he was going to go lay down? >> So, what's he he was quiet? He Well, he didn't say nothing. He just went back in the room to go lay down. >> Okay. >> Cuz he sleep like in my son room. >> Okay. Um, now what? Now, take me through. Did you see him before you you left to go to the to get the food or? >> Yes. >> Or or you didn't? >> He was just um sleep. I was like, "Well, I'm just going to end up going to get some food and coming right back." That's what I told you. He said, "Okay." >> Okay. So, you leave, get back, and where is Kyrie? >> He was still laying down. >> Still laying down. Was he still sleeping? >> Mhm. >> Okay. Um, did you well go and talk, you know, talk talk me through the night. You know, you get home, he's still sleeping. >> Yeah. >> What happened? >> Um, I think it was like around [clears throat] a little uh 10:00 or a little after 10:00. Me and my son end up getting him up cuz he still haven't got up. And I was like, I don't want him to pee in the bed cuz he be peeing the bed. >> Okay. >> So, I couldn't pick him up by myself. So, I helped me put him in the tub. >> So, now he didn't pee last night in the bed, but he does pee in the bed. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, you didn't want him to be in the bed, >> right? So, [clears throat] that's why I put him in the tub. >> Okay. >> He never um woke up, but I did run the bath water to where um to his thighs. >> Okay. Can you stand up and show me, I guess, how you you said that your son helped you carry him into the tub. How How did you How did you get him out of bed? Like, pretend that's the bed right there >> on the floor. I told Jan to hold him like underneath his arms so we can get him up so we can put him in the tub. >> Okay. >> And so we put him in the tub and I told Jan to um um lay him back and so we can run the tub. I mean run the bath water. Okay. >> So when we ran the bath water, they only came up to here. Okay. >> It never filled his chest or nothing. My son just splashing water like on his chest. >> Okay. >> Was when you got him up, you helped carry him. Is that correct? >> No. Um, >> to the tub. [clears throat] >> Yeah, we helped him carrying the tub, but he was like in the tub. I never got him out of >> When you guys are carrying him from the tub to I'm sorry, from the the the bed to the tub. Was he saying anything? What was his What was he like? >> He was still breathing. >> Okay. How do you know he was breathing? >> Cuz I seen his uh his chest. >> Okay. Okay. So, he he was still breathing. >> Mhm. >> Um, but was he saying anything? Was he eyes open? >> No, his eyes was closed. >> Okay. How was How was his body? >> Was he sleeping and your eyes a little open? >> Mhm. >> His eyes was like that. >> Okay. How was his body? >> His um nothing. >> Was he on his back, on his stomach? Like did you try to wake him up before you carried him? Yes. >> Okay. So, how did you try to wake him up? >> I was like him on his thigh. Yeah. >> Okay. And what was he doing? >> Nothing. He wasn't moving at all. >> Okay. So, the reason why you brought him to the water because you were you were worried obviously, right? You're not waking up. Okay. >> Okay. >> Is that something you usually do or >> No, that's the first time ever. >> Okay. Who had the idea to put him in the in the bathtub? >> My son. He's like, "Oh, mommy, maybe we should um run some water on him." I was [clears throat] like, "I don't know. Is that going to work?" But I did call Tony and I had told Tony that his son wasn't waking up. And he's like, "Well, what you mean?" He's like, "Andrew, the parent, you should be able to uh know how to wake up a child." And I was like, "Tony, he's not waking up." He's like, "Well, if I end up getting off from work and I end up missing my hours," I was like, "Don't worry about it." >> What? What? He said, "If I'm if I miss my hours, what like what did he say?" >> Yeah. If he end up missing his hours, like he's going to be like really mad. I went in the room. >> Okay. for to get him something to eat. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Cuz I brought food for the kids. >> Gotcha. Gotcha. So you're kind of hitting on Kyrie. Get up. Get up. Right. He ain't waking up. >> Right. But I had my son try to do it first and he's like, "Mom, not getting up." >> I was like, "Boy, >> I know my son." Right. >> Right. Get him up. Right. Okay. >> So >> when when you brought the food home, you said it was about 8:30. >> It was after 8:30. >> Okay. Did you try waking him up at that time? >> Mhm. When I brought the food home. >> Okay. So I can feed him. >> How did you do that? >> I was hitting him on his thigh. >> Okay. But that's not when you took him to the tub. >> No. >> Okay. So you bring the food home, you try to wake him up and you're hitting him on his thigh like this. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> And he didn't he never got up. >> Okay. So how long are you trying to wake him up for at that point? >> I say like 30 minutes or an hour or something. I'm saying like just you're trying to wake them up and then you go get the kids some something to eat or you leave them you leave them, you know, sleeping and you go get the kids something to eat. >> I left him sleeping. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And I want to go get the kids something to eat. >> Then when I came back, that's when I cuz I didn't want him to wet to bed. >> Okay. So then you hit him on the thigh again now for a second time. Yes. >> Right. Okay. Is that when Jan was like, "Let's put him some water." >> Yeah. So, was the water hot? Cold? >> It was cold. >> Okay. >> But I thought he would have got up. >> Um like freezing cold or >> I don't think my water gets that cold. >> Okay. Um so he's in the tub. You saw to his thigh. >> Mhm. >> Okay. What do you know what's covering his thigh? The water. >> Mm. It didn't cover his thigh. >> Can you show me on on >> It just went like right there. >> So like about here. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And you can see that if you got the stop in there, the water goes out. >> Okay. So, is the stop broke or something? >> I the type the type of stopper they gave me, it really don't fit. >> Okay. >> So, I had the kids, you know, try to fill up the water, you know, at a decent amount and hurry up and bathe before the water end up going out. >> Okay. And I can see like his like he's breathing from here. >> Okay. But he's not moving. He's not saying anything. Why didn't you call 911 at that time? >> I don't [clears throat] know. I thought he was just sleeping hard or something. >> Were you worried? >> Yes. That's why I kept on checking on my health. >> Okay. So, even though you were worried though, you didn't call 911? >> No. [clears throat] >> Okay. Um I mean, how come though? I mean, why wouldn't >> I don't know. >> Okay. Um, with his head there, it's not 10:30. You put him in there. How long was he in there for? >> All night. I didn't move him at all. >> Okay. When When you say all night, what were the starting time was about 10:30 and then until what time? >> Until this morning. >> And what time was that, you think? Um I think like around 8. >> Around 8 this morning. >> Yes. >> Okay. So 10:30 to 8. What time did you or did you fall? What time did you fall asleep? >> Um I think at 12:00 I fell asleep. >> Okay. So at 12:00 you fall asleep. >> Mhm. >> And what time did you sleep until? >> Until 4:00. >> And I got back up. I checked on him again. >> He was still breathing. How was how was he at that time? Like what was describe the tub to me at that time at 4? >> Um he was still like leaning back in the tub. >> Okay. Was there still water in the tub? >> Mhm. The water was already out. I ain't but the water out and nothing. >> Okay. So So at 4:00 when you woke up, >> you checked on him. He still leaned back in the tub, >> but the water was out, >> right? >> Okay. And did you try waking him up at that time? >> Yes. >> How did you try waking him up? >> I hit him on his leg again. [clears throat] >> He still didn't wake up, but I seen that he was still breathing. >> Okay. >> So, I end up laying back down again. >> Were his eyes open or closed at that time? >> He It was still closed. >> Okay. Um, you go back. How long do you think you were there checking on him? For >> maybe like 15 minutes. and I end up going back to sleep. >> Okay. So, were you in like were you scanning over him for 15 minutes? >> Mhm. >> Did you see that? Was he still breathing? >> Okay. Um can you show me how you checked to see how he was breathing or anything like that? >> How I check? >> Yeah. >> Oh, I um I tried to see. I really don't know how to check, but I thought I was doing something. So, I didn't see it. So, I end up putting my fingers up to his neck and that's when I seen that he was still breathing. >> Mhm. Did that worry you at that time that something was wrong? >> It worried me a little bit. Um, yes, it did. >> Okay. Listen, I'm not I'm not in your head, okay? And I'm not trying to, you know, I'm not putting words in your mouth or anything like that, okay? So, if you can just tell me, I guess, what what what was your thought process at that time? You know, you said you were worried. >> Yes. >> What were you worried? It was just all over the place. I didn't like know. Okay. >> It was like my mind was like blank. >> Okay. Okay. Did you try calling Tony at that time at all again? >> No, I didn't. I ain't calling him again until like 8:00 this morning. >> Okay. Did you try calling 911 at 4:00? >> No, I didn't. >> All right. How come you didn't call him at 4? >> I don't know. >> Okay. Um, so you're about 15 minutes. You said you checked and you put your hand right here. Is that right? >> Right here on his neck. >> Okay. But you could tell he was breathing. Eyes are still closed. Was he Could you hear anything? You know, as you're checking on him, could you hear any sounds that he was making or anything? >> Yeah. >> What What kind of sounds was he making? >> Um, like that. >> Okay. Um, did did that worry you at all with the [clears throat] Is that is that right? I it worried but I didn't like really think nothing of it. I I just Oh, he was just sleeping really hard. >> Okay. [snorts] Okay. Um so you go back to bed around what time? >> Um after um I don't know after 4:00 and I I went back to sleep. >> Okay. >> And then I that's when I woke up at 8:00 this >> What happened when you got up at 8? >> Um I see that he still didn't get up. >> Okay. >> And I I called my boyfriend. I was like, "He's still not getting up." I was like, "You need to hurry and come home now." >> Okay. >> And so I wait for him to come home to call the paramedics to see. Can he wake up this morning? >> Okay. So you called him. Did you call him from this number right here, the 8152341? And you called him about 8:00. Okay. And you say he's still not waking up. You need to come home. Or what did you say? >> I told him he need to go home. It's very serious. >> Okay. And how long did it take him to get home? >> I I don't know. [sighs] [gasps] About 20 25 minutes. >> Okay. So, when he gets home, um, what happens? >> He I guess he tried to wake him up. It didn't work. >> Did you see him try to wake him up? >> Um, I I can't remember. I know he did try to and then I seen him like walking down the stairs and I was like, "What the hell?" So I end up um calling uh the paramedics and I was like on the phone with the man the whole time. >> Okay. >> So I had my um son helped me put Kyrie on the floor cuz they told me to um do CPR. >> Okay. >> So that's what I was doing until the par >> You were doing CPR >> until the paramedics had came. Just to go back, when he gets home, where was where was Kyrie at when Tony got home? >> Kyrie was then still in the bathtub. >> He was still in the bathtub. How come you didn't take him out at 8:00 when you when you got home or when you woke up? So, he was still in there, you know, realized it was very serious though and you knew it was serious enough to call touch him until the paramedics had said take him out the bathtub. >> Okay. So Kyrie gets there or um Tony gets there. Kyrie's still in the bathtub. >> Mhm. >> Is there any water in the bathtub at this time? >> No. >> Okay. Um how many times did you fill the bathtub up? >> Just that one time. >> Okay. You said you Tony goes tries to wake him up. That you think of, right? Cuz you didn't actually see it, right? >> Is that right? >> Yes. >> Okay. You said you saw Tony coming downstairs and you said to yourself, "What the hell?" Is that right? >> Yes. What were you when you said what the hell? What were you thinking? >> I just called 911. >> Were you like what? But what was the what was your thoughts like going through your head in order to call 911? Like were you thinking? >> My mind was everywhere. I didn't know like what to think. I was just hoping that he was like still alive. I didn't do nothing to him. I never gave him nothing. I would never hurt a child. >> Okay. >> So, I'm not understanding like what happened. >> Okay. He was perfectly fine last night. >> Okay. >> I guess you had told the officer on scene that Tony ran out of the apartment. >> Is that right? >> Yes, that's his only child. >> Okay. He was gone for about 15 minutes, right? >> I don't know. >> Okay. The information that we had when we got there was that he had been gone for about 15 minutes. I guess you had told the officer on scene for about 15 minutes he was gone. Why did he take off in those 15 minutes? Like, where did he go and what did he do? >> I don't know. I was just around the paramedics, the officer at the scene. I didn't go nowhere. >> You had said earlier you didn't give um Kyrie anything or anything like that? >> No. >> So, there's not going to be there's not going to be any medicine or anything in his system >> um when we check his blood and all that stuff, right? >> Oh, it's Oh, it's not going to be in his system. um at any time. Did you touch him at all? Like in a in a physical manner where you discipline him at all last night? >> I don't It's okay to discipline children. Okay. >> It is, but he's not my child. And when Tony tried to discipline him, he'll go back and tell his mom. >> Okay. >> So Tony has stopped doing it. >> But what I'm concerned with is last night. Did anybody discipline him last night? >> No. Okay. Um, so there's not going to be like any any marks or anything like that on him. Is that correct? >> No. >> Um, you can understand that um, you know, a six-year-old boy passed away, right? And and that tough questions are are going to going to come out, right? And they're going to ask you and and stuff like that. So, it's better to get those questions answered here than than down the road, right? You agree with that? So, I mean, I have to ask, did you do anything to Kyrie? Didn't >> I don't touch him at all. I barely whoop my >> Okay, I understand. But I have to ask you. Okay. I have How does he get along with your son? How does he get along with your son? When me and my ex had um gotten into school called before. Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. And again, a tough question is so you got a six little old boy in your house. You try to wake him up one, two, a couple times and he's in the tub. You're going to put him in a tub with your son kind of carrying him, right? Cuz your son's got his hands under his arms. >> And you know, you call your boyfriend. He's like, "Take care of it. Wake him up. you know, your parent um what makes you think he didn't need help? Like didn't you did you think something was wrong or what did you think like for two years? He lived with me for two years, right? >> Yes. I thought he was like in a deep sleep. >> Deep sleep has as normal. >> No, this was like the first time, >> right? So, this is completely abnormal from the deep sleep before, right? >> Yeah. Cuz usually like when he sleep I we have to get him up like three or four times before he actually get up >> cuz he pee in the bed. >> Yeah. But he gets up. >> Yeah. >> Right. So after three or four times and he ain't getting up. Something's wrong. >> Right. >> Right. So you know we teach little kids nowadays and stuff like that something's wrong. Call one. I'm just trying to figure out why. Like there's got to be a why. >> You don't know why. >> I wasn't even thinking. >> Okay. >> Now I'm not the drug police. I don't care about any of that. Okay. But I guess for me, it's not normal for Tony to take off for approximately 15 minutes when his son in all senses in there dying. Okay. I don't care if there's drugs or anything in the house or anything like that. Um, did he take something and and go hide it somewhere or anything like that that you're aware? >> Yes, sir. >> He didn't. All right. >> He He's just going through it. That's how he reacts. >> Okay. All right. I'm trying to think. Oh, so the check that you think you have the receipts at the at the house. >> Okay. >> And then what was the other? >> Well, I just wanted to make sure I got my times right. So 7:00 7:30 he leaves. Kids are all taking a bath. Kyrie comes in. um just drops off the towel, goes into the room, that's the last time you see him awake. Yes, sir. >> Right. So between like 7:30 cuz 8:30 around you leave to get the food. >> Mhm. >> So between 7:30, did you try to wake him up if he wanted to get the food? >> Yeah, I tried to wake him up. He didn't want to get up. >> Okay. Was he still wearing the same clothes? >> Yes. So Janine said he was going to stay at the house with him. >> Gotcha. Okay. >> And then I went to go get the food, me and the girls. >> Okay. Cuz normally he'd go with you. Mhm. >> Okay. So now >> I would have took all the kids with me but Kyrie was asleep. >> Okay. Now when you tried to wake him up then was what did you do? Did you try to do the whole leg thing? >> Was he breathing? >> Yes. >> How'd you check he was breathing? >> Um I seen uh right here. >> You could see him? >> Yes. >> Okay. He wasn't gurgling. Nothing like that. >> Yeah. We're not disputing that. We're just trying to How long do you think you were on the phone with him for? >> Um it wasn't even that long. Probably like 3 minutes. four minutes. Good day. >> Just just to get kind of a timeline real quick. Okay. I'm going to write it down. Okay. And if something's different, let me know. Okay. >> Um 6:30 kids come home. >> Mhm. >> And you had said that Kyrie was not um any more tired than any other kids. Nothing out of the ordinary. Right. Okay. >> 7:30 7:15 7:30 Tony leaves for work. >> Mhm. >> And the kids take showers, correct? Or take baths. >> Cuz everybody was done basic but before 8:30. >> All kids done before 8:30. >> Okay. Drop off that one. And you decide at that time, >> I need to go get the kids. to cook something to eat. But Kyrie was sleeping, right? >> And that's at 8:30. >> No. >> Is >> it was it was after 8:30? I know he was sleeping for a while before I end up go get him something to eat. >> Would you say it's closer to 8:30 or closer to 9:00? >> I know it was before 8:30. >> Oh man. >> You okay? >> Excuse me. >> You just said before 8:30. Mhm. >> So, was it before after 8:30 that that you you left? >> I left at the 8:30. >> Okay. >> Go get the kids food. >> Tony comes home. Takes him about 20 25 minutes to get home. You call the um >> the pyramid >> after Tony runs out of the house type of thing or comes down. Okay. [snorts] >> So, you have from [sighs] 10:30 Midnight 4 10:30 midnight 4. Okay. During this time he was still breathing but it didn't look he didn't look good. Is it easy is it easy to say that that even though he was breathing you were still concerned for him because you would call Tony something's not right type of thing and he said you're a parent figure it out type of thing right. >> Mhm. >> But you were still concerned that something was wrong. >> Yes. Okay, remember the tough questions. Okay, like my partner said, okay, what why didn't you call the police? You know, you had four different times or three different times here that you were concerned for his safety. You're concerned for his, you know, life at that point. Why didn't you call the police or 911? >> I don't know. I didn't I wasn't thinking. What made you leave him in the tub all night and not move him to the bed? >> I I didn't want to move him. >> Why not? >> I didn't want to move him. >> Why? >> I don't know. >> Well, if he was sleeping, would he be more comfortable in the bed to the tub? >> Probably. Yeah. >> So, you didn't want to move him from the tub? >> I was hoping that he was still going to be all right. He was still going to breathe. Well, he was still going to breathe. >> I mean, >> well, that means he was breathing. See what I'm getting at? >> I don't know. >> Well, don't I don't know going to work. So, we got to we got to kind of focus on this cuz I don't know going to work on this. We're going to have to know. So, with the I'm leaving them in the tub all night. I don't know why I left him in the tub instead of moving into the bed. And then it looked like he was breathing. >> I was scared to move him. >> Okay. >> I I don't know. >> See, that's things that that we need to know. Okay. If you were scared, you need to, you know, let us know what you were just what you were thinking. >> I I wasn't thinking. I wasn't thinking as a parent. Okay. >> For the first hour, the detectives ask her for almost nothing but times. No accusation, no confrontation, no theory. They ask what time the children came home, what time the father left, what time the baths ended, what time she went to the drive-thru, and they ask several of them twice, apologizing for it as they go. Then they take the clock away from her and build it themselves out loud on paper. That is the shift. The moment the times are written down in front of her, a question she has answered four different ways stops being four answers and becomes one contradiction. She left before 8:30. She left after 8:30. She left at 8:30. Listen to how the questions change shape around it. He stops saying, "Take me through." He starts saying, "Let me know if something's different." He is no longer collecting an account. He is closing one. And when she reaches for the phrase that has carried her through the entire hour, he shuts that door, too. I don't know is not going to work. From here on, only one question is being asked. Not what happened to Kyrie. Why nobody called? >> Okay. All right, Shante. Over the last couple hours, we've gone and done several different things, okay, to further the investigation, okay? Obviously, you know, you're aware already that uh Kyrie didn't make it, okay, that he did he did pass away, okay? Um, we've looked at video. We've talked to your son. We talked to your mom. We talked to um Kyrie's mother. We talked to a lot of different people. Okay. And they're actually doing the the autopsy um right now as we speak. Okay. Do do you know what an autopsy? We just need you to be honest with us. Okay. Can you do that? >> No. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Once they once they got home from the park, can we go over again with exactly what happened? Okay. So, it was it was um you said about 6:30 they get home from the park, right? >> Mhm. >> Okay. What happened once they got home from the park? >> I had um Tony to take a shower so he can go to work. >> Okay. >> Cuz he told me he had to be there at 6:00. >> Okay. And after he hit out, I had the kids to take a bath. [clears throat] After that, um, like I said, excuse me, >> how how was how was Kyrie when he got home? You said that he was tired. >> He was acting normal. your your son said that Kyrie was kind of like bouncing all over the place at um at the park and stuff kind of like real upbeat and stuff like that. I know he has a ADHD is which what you you had said. >> So >> um so he and how was he how was his demeanor at that time when when he asked you what was he what was he like at that time? >> He was normal to me. He was just a little tired and I didn't think nothing of it and he end up going to lay down. >> Okay. >> But when I, like I said, when I went to go check up on him cuz I wanted to go get them something to eat, he was sleep. >> Okay. And where was he sleeping at? >> Um, on the bottom bed in my son room. >> Okay. Cuz could Now you say he was on the on the bed, you know. Was he on the floor on the actual floor? No, cuz it it looked like that there was no there was no sheets or anything. There was no bedding on that bottom bed or anything like that. >> He wet the bed all the time. >> Okay. >> So, he ain't put like no sheet. >> Who who pulls the bed out for them? >> Um I don't I don't know. I think the kids do what they sell. >> Okay. >> Cuz I don't think it's that heavy for them. They couldn't do it. >> Okay. So you go, you check on him and then what happens from there? >> I went to go check up on him and I was u telling J Sean I'm to go get something to eat and he said that he was going to stay home with Kyrie and I told him I was going to take the girls with me and I said keep an eye on Kyrie to make sure he's still breathing. So I went to go get the um the kids McDonald's and went to go um Hungry Hobies. >> Mhm. >> And I [clears throat] came back home. >> Okay. And when you came home, what exactly did you do? >> Um the kids ate cuz I think my um baby girl, she was like already eating in the car. So she was the first one done. So um I had told J Sean he could sit him and eat while I go like try to wake up Kyrie. >> Okay. >> And when I tried to wake him up, he still didn't get up. >> Okay. >> [clears throat] >> So, at what time did you guys decide to put him in the tub? >> Um, I don't know. It was like probably 10:30. >> And whose idea was that? >> My son. >> Okay. And who actually put him in the tub? >> Me and my son did cuz I couldn't pick him up by myself. >> Okay. Um, at any time did he hit his head or anything that you that you're aware of or anything like that? Did you hear anything like his head hitting anything? >> Um, he hit his head lightly on the um on the um tub cuz my son was um trying to help. I said, "No, babe. You can't do that." I said, "Let me do it." So, I end up like leaning him, you know what I'm saying, back on the um on the tub and that's when we end up filling the um tub up with water. >> Okay. And you said it only went up to about mid thigh. Yes. >> Okay. Never covered his leg or anything. Never covered his chest or anything like that? >> No. Um my son splashed water on him and he still didn't get up. >> Okay. And then you check on him again at what time? >> Um at 12:00. >> At 12:00. >> Yes. Um right before I had went to sleep. >> And what happens at 12:00? >> I check to see was he still breathing, which he was, and then I end up laying back down. >> Okay. You lay down and then you get up at what time? >> Um, I got up at 4, I think, or 4 something and I um checked him on again. >> Okay. >> And then I looked inside the tub. I didn't see he like pee or anything. So, he was still breathing. So, that's when I laid back down. >> Okay. So, that's at 4:00. >> Mhm. [clears throat] >> You you said earlier about 15 minutes. And then when do you wake up next? >> I woke up at 8:00. >> Okay. And at 8:00, what did you see? >> I see [clears throat] that he wasn't breathing. >> Okay. >> And that's when I had called my boyfriend and told him it was emergency. He need to come home. Krie still haven't woke up. I thought my boyfriend was going to be able to get him up and I see that he didn't. So that's the reason why I've had calls to come here is after you did it. >> I um I listened to the 911 call. Okay. Uh I could tell that you're very you were concerned, you were frantic. Okay. That you know at that time you were wanting help at that time. Okay. Um what does what do what do you guys give him to for some sleep medication? uh melatonin, but we haven't gave the kids that in a while. >> When was the last time you think you gave the kids that? I >> I think I might. >> Okay. And how long how much were you give would you give all the kids that or >> Okay. And what how like how was the dose? >> Oh, no. It was like the the kids spray. So, everybody get like one. >> My son, he rather take two. >> Okay. >> Cuz it um it's take him longer to fall asleep. And usually with the the melatonin, what what was their reaction? I guess >> they get tired and go to sleep. >> And then does your does your mom does she kind of like write out all the instructions and stuff like that for you or you just know what to give them and all that stuff? >> I just call >> you call her. Okay. >> Um did you when was the last time he was over the house? >> It's been a while. >> Okay. Was there any medication like that at the house or anything like that >> for JT? Yeah. >> Look, I mean like left at my house. No. >> Okay. He take everything back with him when he go home. >> Were you ever given instructions on like, okay, if you know JT say something were to happen to him while taking that medication, were you ever given instructions on like what to do in order how to help him and all that stuff? >> Oh, >> okay. Cuz I I talked to your mom and she said that uh she puts she puts them in a cold in a tub or if [clears throat] you were to overdose on it, >> put them in a tub of water and be have cold water and stuff like that. Had you ever been told that or anything? >> She never told me that. >> Okay. Okay. >> Cuz I mean I it never happened to me. >> Okay. So she never told you, hey, if he were to overdose on his medication, do this or that or anything like that? Mm- >> cuz I always take it when she tell me how to u give it to him. >> Okay. Uh did you have to tell him last night or anything like that to to do this or do that? >> Mhm. >> Okay. Because six-year-old children just don't up and die. Okay. We need to find out what happened to him. Okay. And that's what part of the autopsy when they're they're doing that right now. Like I said, what do you think they're going to find at the autopsy? I don't know. >> What do you think they're going to find in his system? >> I don't know. I didn't give him nothing. >> Okay. Cuz >> I promise I didn't give him nothing. >> All right. All right. This is the thing. Okay. >> But if I would have gave him something, that means my kids would would have got something, too. >> Well, not necessarily. Not necessarily. Okay. We It's It's easy to explain. Okay. you know, before you know when you tell, you know, if if he were if you were to have given him something, it's easy to explain right now instead of finding it out after the fact. >> But I didn't give him nothing. You can ask my son. I didn't give them nothing last night. >> Okay. Um questions before. Okay. But they're questions that have to be answered. Okay. Okay. Um, before we do that, okay, um, before I ask the tough questions, okay, I just want to read you your Miranda rightites, okay? You ever had those red tea before? Okay. Like I said, they're going to be some tough questions, but before I do that, I just need to to read this to you. Okay. All right. You have the right to remain silent. If you give up the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer before being questioned and have to and have a lawyer present with you while you are being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one who will be appointed to represent you before and during any questioning if you wish. You can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. Okay. Do you understand the rights of the way? Okay. having those rights in mind. Do you wish to talk to me? >> I talk about what? >> Just the same stuff that we've been talking about. >> That's that okay. >> Yes. >> Okay. If you if you gave him something, okay, you know, it it was said that um you waited too long on the on on t you I waited too long. I waited too long. Okay. You even told your mom, "He's in he was in my care. He was in my care." Okay, that's okay. That's okay. We just need to know and we just need to know the truth for him of what actually happened because some of the stuff just doesn't make sense. Okay. What act? What what actually happened? >> I told you. And that is the honest truth. I didn't give him nothing. I know. I waited too late. That's that's the reason why he died. I would do nothing to him. >> You waited too late for what though? >> To call the paramedics. >> What makes you think you waited too late? because he was there at 8. He was still breathing at 10, 12, 4:00 in the morning. I was scared. I wasn't thinking. And I thought if I could wait for his dad to get home, his dad was going to be able to wake him up. It [snorts] was just a mistake. I didn't mean to I didn't give him nothing. >> Okay. You're a mom of three kids, right? Okay. He falls asleep. You're shaking him. You're doing everything you can. Your son's tickling his foot, not waking up, right? But you said you can check. You can see he's breathing, right? That's one time. Hours go by. You try to wake him up again. Shake him. do everything you can. Your son tries to wake him up. You put him in a bathtub, can't wake him up, right? But you can see he's breathing in. You don't call help. Then you go to bed at midnight. Midnight, hours go by. He's the same way. He's not getting better. You're riding out. Whatever's happening to him, you're going to let happen to him. Okay? So that that's the third time. You wake up at 4:00 in the morning. You check on him. You say he's breathing, but he's not responding again. Okay. 8:00 in the morning, you said he's dead. Okay. What medication do you have at the house? >> My son meds, but I keep him in the kitchen on top of the counter and his uh rescue inhaler or his other inhaler is like on the counter in the kitchen. >> What about in what about in your bedroom? >> In my bedroom? >> Yeah. I have um most of the relaxers in my room. >> Okay. Where are those at? >> Um [clears throat] on my dresser. >> What else do you have? >> Um I also have um O um Oxy. >> Oxy. >> Mhm. >> Okay. What else? >> That's it. >> Who's the Oxy prescribed to? >> For me. >> It's for you. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Some of the questions that I'm asking, you already know the answers to, okay? But there's a purpose for those, okay? To see how honest you're going to be with even those questions, okay? >> Like I said, I'm not the drug police. I don't give two shits about stuff. Okay? What I'm here for is a six-year-old dead child that's never coming back. >> I don't know. Like I said, if you lie to me on some of the questions I already know the answers to, then how do I know that I can trust you on some of the other stuff? >> I told you. I told you everything I got in the house. >> There's ecstasy in the house. I don't care. >> Okay, but >> I forgot about that. I'm sorry. But if you just like I just like I explained to you >> if you're going to not if you're going to lie to me on some stuff that doesn't even matter, how can I trust you on on this other stuff? Does that make sense? >> Yes. >> So for you did know, come on. You're a 33y old woman. >> I mean, I wasn't. >> You seem educated to me. Okay. I don't care if there's ecstasy in the house, but how can I trust you? What else is in the house? Um, weed. >> What else? >> That's it. >> Okay. Where where was the excess? >> Um, um, my nightstand and a green bottle. You're on 911 crying, begging, pleading for help. You have five children there that you're trying to take care of and do the best that you can and you're doing a good job. They depend on you. You're giving them food. You're you're taking care of them. You've got one that's not not waking up, but you're doing your best to try to get him woken up and stuff like that. You're doing your best. You call Tony and he tells you, "Take care of it. Take care of it. It's not It's not even your child. his dad is at work and he says, "You take care of it. You have children. You should be able to take care of it." Or something like that. Okay. If there It's understandable to give him something. It's understandable to give him something to make him go to sleep. You didn't know that this would happen. Okay. But it's understandable. A reasonable person's going to be like, "You know what? She did everything she could, right? I already know he was bouncing off the walls. Your son said he was bouncing off the walls, >> but I ain't give him nothing. >> I don't know. Some of the tough the tough questions that my partner said that we have to ask, they have to have an answer to and I don't know just doesn't cut it sometimes. A reasonable person would have called 911 after the first time that he wasn't waking up. You decided to put him in in in a tub with cold water. That's not just a coincidence that your mom had told me that she did the same thing to JT. Okay. So, I'm thinking somewhere along the line that you knew to somehow put him in that tub to try to help him. >> I didn't give him nothing. My son, the one that had told me maybe we should put him in the tub, mommy. That was like, okay, maybe we should do that. Thinking that it was going to work. Okay. Cuz the the I don't knows aren't going to work anymore. I don't know what I was thinking. It's not going to work anymore. All that. It's just it's not going to fly. >> If we find out right now of it. >> It's easy to explain. When we find out later, it's not that's when it's hard to explain. That's why I'm trying for you to be honest with me. It's easy to explain right now. >> No. You trying to make it seem like I gave him something. >> I never gave him. >> Do you even agree that a six-year-old child just does not die? six-year-old kid just >> I don't know what happened. I told you that. I didn't do nothing to him. All I know that he went to sleep last night and he was stay. He was breathing. I put him in the tub, me and my son. Mhm. >> He was still breathing. When I woke up this morning at 8:00 this morning, he was dead. You even told the dispatcher you didn't know how to check to see if he was breathing. So, how do you know he was breathing? >> At 8:00 this morning. >> No, all night. >> I seen his chest moving. >> Figure out what happened. That's all it is. The truth. Just the truth. >> And I told y'all the truth. >> But the problem is that that don't make sense. It's not going to It doesn't work like that. It a six-year-old boys, six-year-old girls, they just don't die. They just don't. It just don't happen like that. They don't come in with towels and and say, "Where do you want me to put it?" And then lay down with your son, watch football, and and and die. It just doesn't work like that. There's something whether you gave him something or whatever, there's something happened somewhere along that night from when they got home, something happened. That's what we're leaving out. So, if you think we're coming at you like all this kind of stuff, you did this, you did that. Just tell us what happened. That's it. That's all we want to know is what happened. The truth. You're protective. Mom, you got a six-year-old, right? You showed his eye kind of like half open, half not, not waking up, and then you're not calling for help. You got to help me understand that. Not once. I'll even give you once. But not four times throughout the night, leaving them in a bathtub and going to sleep. You got to help me understand. Tell me. Convince me. And it's not that I don't know. It can't be. I was scared cuz you're a grown grown woman. You take care of kids. >> I wasn't thinking. >> Okay. Well, you have to think of something. >> My mind is every [ __ ] way. >> Okay. Well, my your mind was everywhere to call Tony. >> Like, why didn't you call? This doesn't just go away. It's just the the the explanation of why a six-year-old passed away and then stepmom whatever we're going to call you checked on five times and never called hell. The answer my mind my mind wasn't thinking that don't fly. I wasn't thinking no don't fly. I don't know who who I don't know who's going to get past that one but ain't going to get past here. I can tell you that. >> Let's put it this way. say their roles were reversed and the Sean was at someone's house and this happened and that person said, "I just wasn't thinking." As a mother, as his mother, would you accept that answer? >> No. >> Okay. We're not saying you're a bad person. We're not. >> That's what it seemed like. >> It may seem that yourself that you wouldn't as as a mother, you wouldn't accept that answer. Just help us understand. Were you scared? What were you afraid of? >> Shante, were you scared? >> Yes. >> What were you afraid of? >> Everything. >> What was everything? I can't explain to nobody what happened cuz I don't know what happened. >> What were you afraid of? I said, "What were you afraid of?" He said, "Everything." I'm not in your head. I can tell you're a good person. I can tell on that 911 tape. I can tell the fear in your in your voice, the sense of urgency that you had. You wanted help for him. >> Yeah. Cuz I thought he was like in a deep sleep. Yeah, but he doesn't sleep much like whatever. That That's what you told me. I don't know him. That's what you told me. You got five kids. They're all had a great time. They're all tired at the park. I get it. It's hot. They're running around. So, when the five kids, there's only one in the deep sleep. >> Only one that went to sleep. >> That's what I'm saying. >> I don't know why. >> Shante, doesn't it make sense? >> Yeah. Sometimes I answer it don't make sense why you didn't call 911. You don't check on them. >> [snorts] >> I [clears throat] did check up on him. >> Yeah, but you said you could see he was breathing, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Well, 911 asked you this morning or Yeah, this morning, "Is he breathing?" You said, "I don't know how to check." I don't know how to check. So, here's the thing. You checked four times, right? But when 911's trying to give you instructions about how to save his life or how to breathe, >> thinking. >> No, it's not thinking. You don't think of I don't know how to do something. is, "Hey, can I answer your question? I don't know how to check. I don't know how to check if he's breathing." But you knew how to check all night. Now, if you don't know how to check, you don't know how to check. So, he could have passed away. He could have stopped breathing sometime at 4:00. I don't even know what made you wake up at 4:00 in the morning. >> I don't know. I can't sleep the whole through the night. >> You just woke up? >> And I do [clears throat] that every night. >> Okay. So when you got out of bed though, when you woke up at 4:00 though, you were concerned enough to check on him though, like you were checking stuffies in the tub. >> Mhm. >> And you walked in the bathroom. Okay. And he was breathing. >> Yes. >> And you touched him. >> Mhm. >> Okay. But you left him there. >> Okay. Why didn't you take him out of the bathtub? >> I don't know. >> I thought he was still >> Okay. >> Still cool. >> I get it. He's still sleeping at midnight. He's still sleeping at 4:00. But you could have put him in his bed. I didn't think like if he would have sat up it would have stopped his breathing. >> What do you mean? So if he sat up it would stop his breathing. >> I'm assuming because he he sat up all night he had stopped breathing >> like like he was sitting up like that. See what >> how he was in the tub. You mean >> Yeah. Compared to laying down on the bed. So, you're saying that you assume that since he was in the tub sitting up that that stopped his breathing? >> That's what you're assuming cuz I'm I'm asking you on that. Okay. Okay. Now, as a mom with three kids, does that make any sense? >> That sitting up is going to stop someone's breathing. Am I understanding that right? Is that what you're thinking? That he was sitting up in the tub would stop his breathing. Am I Am I getting that? I'm thinking like if he would have still been laying down, he probably still would have been breathing. >> Okay. >> So, the sitting up was the thing that stopped his breathing. >> I don't know. I'm assuming. I don't know. >> So, are you thinking that and correct me if I'm wrong, but are you thinking that since you put him in that position in the bathtub that that's what caused him to die? >> Yes. Is that what you were saying when you assumed that with him sitting up in the tubby the way he was that that's what caused him to stop breathing? >> Yes. Okay. >> Is there anything that you did that you feel responsible for his death? >> No. >> Besides not calling 911? >> No. Chant, you're not a bad person. I don't think you are a bad person. I don't. >> If I thought you're a bad person, I would have brought you pizza even though you didn't eat it. You must not like cheese pizza. >> I'm not hungry. >> We're just trying to be able to explain how a six-year-old child just died. That's all. 2 hours in, the detectives have asked the same question so many times that it has stopped producing anything. Did you give him something? No. Did you give him something? No. So, one of them changes the target. He stops asking what she did and starts asking what she believes. Does she think the position she put him in is the thing that killed him. And she says yes twice. It is the only concession she makes all day and it is not the one they were driving at. She has just accepted responsibility for the death while refusing the act. Their theory needed a substance. She hands them a posture. Notice what they have already stopped doing by this point. Nobody says you did this anymore. Instead, they build her a smaller version she could live with. That it is understandable to give a child something to help him sleep. That a reasonable person would say she did everything she could. That is not a question. It is a frame offered for her to step into. She declines it. And once she does, the room has one instrument left and it is a machine. >> Hi, how you doing? >> I'm Detective Real. The other detectives told me you were asking to take a lie detector test. Is that true? >> Mhm. >> So, that's what we're going to do right now. Okay. >> Mhm. >> This is [clears throat] a uh CVSA. It's a computer voice stress analyzer. Do you know what that is? >> Mhm. This is the uh newest piece of equipment. This is what they use, the military uses to debrief terrorists. Okay? It's 100% accurate. And I'm the senior operator here. You ever had a polygraph before? >> You know what the polygraph is? >> Okay. A lot of these are illrelevant questions, which are basically just filler questions. Then there's two questions I'm going to ask you to lie to so I can tell what your lies look like. Okay. All right. The first one's going to be, am I sitting down? >> Yes. >> Is there a switch on the wall? I'll see one. >> So that' be known. Okay. Now, there's two questions they wanted me to ask you. The first one is, did you give is it Kyrie? >> Kyrie. >> Did you give Kyrie any drugs or medication? >> No. >> Besides putting Kyrie in the bathtub, did you do anything to harm him? >> No, sir. And then there's one more relevant question. Are there 12 months in a year? >> Yes. >> What I need to do now is I need to go grade it. Then I have to have another operator check my work. Okay. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Do you need anything else while while I'm here? Water anything? No, sir. >> All right. Hang on. We'll be right back with you. the answer. Okay. >> And if it spreads out, that's not so truthful. Do you see any that really spread out here? >> Um, the middle. >> This one? >> Yeah. >> And can you read what that question is to me? Read it out loud. >> Do you give Kyrie any drugs or medication? >> I didn't give him nothing. Well, what are you thinking about on that question that would uh make it do that? >> Did you give him something? >> No, [snorts] >> I didn't even feed him last night. >> Well, what were you thinking about here? >> I didn't give him that. Y'all lying on that. I did not give him nothing. >> I'm not lying. How am I lying? >> That's crazy. I didn't give him nothing. You can even ask my son, my kids. I didn't give him nothing. That's not right. >> Well, I need to go uh tell these detectives the results, and it look a lot better if you had some kind of explanation for me. >> What? It looked better if you had some kind of explanation for this. >> I don't have no explanation. I didn't give him nothing. >> So why'd you have all that stress on that question? >> I'm nervous. I don't know what's going to happen. If you feel my heart, I'm still pounding. >> Well, yeah, if you're nervous, it show on all of them. But you see, it don't it's really only showing on the the one question there. It's not showing on all the questions. You see how they're peeking and this one spreads out. And look, if you gave him something and there's a mistake, let us know. >> I didn't give him nothing. >> I mean, what you did makes no sense. Who leaves a child in the bathtub overnight? Did you leave him in the bathtub overnight? Did you leave a child in the bathtub overnight? >> Y'all trying to pin this on me? That's what y'all trying? >> I'm asking you a question. >> You made a mistake. You know, there's big difference here between people who made a mistake and somebody who did something intentional. And we're just trying to figure out which one you are. Ma'am, I was at the autopsy. Okay. He's a perfectly fine, healthy kid. Nothing wrong with him. Nothing wrong with him. And why did why was he in the bathtub? >> My son suggested that we should put him in the bathtub. >> Why? >> I guess to wake him up cuz it seemed like he was in the deep sleep. >> So you couldn't wake him up. Am I right? >> Right. >> Okay. So what happens? You can't wake him up? >> Yeah. Me and my son had put him in the bathtub. >> How old's your son? >> 10. >> Your son's 10? >> Yes. Why did he tell you to put him in the bathtub? >> He was thinking maybe he should wake up. >> And what'd you do when he was in the bathtub? >> He was still breathing when he was in the bathtub. >> He put water in the bathtub. >> Yes. >> And how long was he in the bathtub? >> All night. But he was still breathing. Last time I checked, he was still breathing at 4:00 before I had went back to sleep. >> So, did you sit with him the whole time he was in the bathtub? I had um laid back down in the bed. >> Was there water in the bathtub? >> No, it had emptied out. >> Why was he still in the bathtub? >> I just left it. I didn't want nothing to happen cuz I thought if I would have took him out of the bathtub, it would have got worse. >> He was still breathing. >> Why didn't you call 911 when you couldn't wake him up? >> I was waiting for his dad to come home. thinking that he was be able to wake him up. >> Well, you could What' you do to try to wake him up? >> I just like hit him on his thigh and I filled the bath water up. >> You didn't shake him any more than that? You just barely tapped him on the thigh and put him in the bathtub. >> M. >> That's all you did? >> Yeah. >> So, you didn't shake him or anything? Try to revive him. Get him up. >> I [clears throat] don't know how to revive nobody. I I never took CPR. Well, shake him to wake him up. >> Yeah. >> Did you do that? >> Mhm. >> And you shook him pretty good. >> I didn't want to do too much of it. >> And he didn't wake up. >> And then you're telling me you take the advice of a 10-year-old to put him in the bathtub. >> Mhm. >> Instead of calling 911? >> Yes. >> And you leave him in the bathtub all night? >> Yes. >> You don't see anything wrong with this picture? I should have called. >> You should have called when? >> Um, around 8:00 last night. Well, um, after 8:30 last night after I got off the phone with my boyfriend. I should have called 911. >> And you know why people don't usually call 911 right away? >> Mm- >> usually when they're trying to hide something. >> Trying to hide what? >> You tell me. You put them in a bathtub. That's usually what you do with somebody that's overdosing on something, right? >> I don't know. I never been around nobody that overdose. >> And then you leave him in the bathtub unattended all night, right? >> He wasn't in I kept on checking up on him, make sure he was still breathing. >> There's a to make sure he's still breathing. So, you know there's a pretty bad problem, right? You realize this isn't normal, right? >> Yes. >> And you didn't call 911. >> Yeah. Well, I called until 8:00 this morning >> when when he was deceased. >> Yes. >> So, you sat and watched him not being able to wake him up and waited till he was deceased to call 911. Is that correct? >> And you're the only person that had would have had access to medication in the house, right? >> Yes. >> So, if there's medication in his system, where' it come from? >> He had to get it. I don't know how. >> I don't think he bought it on the street. >> Why would you say that? >> You're saying he had to get it? I'm saying, well, he didn't buy it on the street. It was in my house. >> Right. But you're the only one that had control of it. Right. >> Yes. But I didn't think he he don't get up in the middle of the night. I was there at the house. I don't know how he would have got it. >> Did you give him something? [clears throat] >> No, I did not. >> Sleep. I need to take another test. I'm not going to let y'all pin that on me. And I didn't give him nothing. >> How do you explain that? >> How do you explain what? >> You fail on the question. What were you thinking? >> He probably did that. >> Huh? >> I didn't do that. >> You didn't do what? >> I didn't give him nothing. >> It's showing otherwise. What were you thinking about then on that question? >> I'm thinking everything. Thinking that I'm guilty cuz I didn't call 911. I didn't give him no medication. >> Where would he have gotten medication? >> What? >> Where would he have gotten medication? >> On my dresser. Where y'all seeing it at? >> Shante. Even your mom doesn't believe you. She doesn't. Even your mom does not believe you. >> My mom do believe you. >> She doesn't believe you. >> Yes, she do. I was just talking. >> Do you want your kids to search one day on the internet about you and find out child murder? Is that what they want you want them to see? Or was it a mistake? Did something happen? >> I didn't give them nothing. >> Then what happened? >> I told you what happened. Guys, I'm going to tell you right now that toxicology is going to come back and it is going to show something in his system. It's not if there's going to show something in his system. It's going to show something in his system. >> Y'all going to blame me for anything. >> You were here. I didn't give him nothing. I already said it. >> What? >> What you want me to say? >> I want you to tell the truth. >> I did. I didn't give him nothing. >> So, what happened last night? Because you can explain it now. >> Go ahead and arrest me. >> You can explain it. Go ahead and arrest me. I already told you. >> You can explain. >> Arrest me. >> You can explain it now. >> Arrest me so they can [ __ ] kill me in in prison. Whatever. >> Shante, you can explain. >> I already told you. >> Now is the time to explain it. Not when that toxicology comes back. >> Let me know when it come back >> and what's going to be in there. >> I don't know. Just blame me for whatever is in my house. >> What's in your house? >> Whatever. Whatever it come back. Just blame me for it. >> What's going to be in his system? Like >> I don't know. Whatever you find, just blame me for it cuz I don't know what was in his system. Only thing I did wrong, I did not call the paramedics. [snorts] >> He was dying right in front of you. >> And I didn't even know. >> You knew? >> No, I didn't. >> And you were afraid. You were scared. [snorts] >> That's the first time this [ __ ] happened. The first time. >> What happened? [snorts] >> This incident. I don't know how to think when I be under pressure like that. >> I was [ __ ] scared. >> Shante, I understand that, but that's not an excuse. >> Whatever. Come back. Just go ahead and blame me for it cuz that's what y'all going to do. >> I ain't giving him nothing. >> Did you make a mistake? [snorts] >> Did you make a mistake? >> I made a mistake for not calling when I should. That's the only thing. And when should you have called? [snorts and clears throat] >> Last night at 8:30. >> And when did you call? >> 8:00 this morning. >> At what time? >> I don't know exactly the time. >> What time do you think? >> I don't [laughter] know. 8. At >> 8. >> How many hours is that? >> 12 hours. 12 hours. He needed help for 12 hours. >> Hey, Shante. Hey, I'm Detective Peps. This is Reagan. Rean from our child protection. All right. What we got to do is you are going through another little little extra bit of steps. I'm going to let her know let her tell you what you what we need to do. Okay. >> You're a sample. >> Yep. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Um my name is Rean. I work with the sheriff's office. I don't work with Clearwater PD. I just work child protection. Okay. Um so I'm different than these guys. anytime we're involved, you have the right to deny an interview with me and you do have the right to have an attorney present. Okay. Um, I'm going to give this to you. This is my contact information on the back and this is my cell phone number. So, you can call or text that number. That's fine. Um, are you going to test positive for anything today? What are you going to test positive for? Um [music] um weed and um probably uh pesticy. >> Okay. How often are you using? >> Um I smoke weed every day and I use some testic because me and my boyfriend have them out of town. >> You went out of town? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um did you both use then? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um is that just something that you use occasionally or >> occasionally? Um, what about marijuana every day? >> Yes. >> How many times? >> I don't know. >> Two times a day. >> Well, three times a day. >> Okay. Um, so before you use When did you use Ecstasy last? When was it? >> Friday. >> Friday. I um it was like Thursday night, Friday morning. >> Okay. >> Um any other drug use in your past? >> Um for my back. >> For your back? >> Yeah, for oxies. [clears throat] >> You have oxies? >> Okay. How often do you take oxies? >> [clears throat] >> I don't take it as often. >> You don't take it like as prescribed. You just take it as needed. >> So like how many times a week are you taking it or how many times a day? >> I probably take it once or twice a month if they >> once or twice a month. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Any other drug use? When's the last time you took an oxy? Probably like a month ago. >> Okay. So, you're not going to test positive for that? >> Mm- How do you punish the kids? >> I um I mean pop them. >> What do you pop them with? >> My hand. >> Do you ever hit them with a belt? >> Yeah. Do you make them hold their pants down? Um um um um no I mean I did before but I barely woke my teeth. >> Does that leave any marks or bruises? >> Um I hit my sign in the lip one time [snorts] but that was once. Well, that other than that, no. >> What did it do? >> It just bust his lip a little bit. >> Okay. How long ago was that? >> Oh my gosh. I don't know. 3 4 months ago. >> Okay. Um, do you want to do the drug screen for me? Can you do that? Sorry. Saying that your taken it. You're not going to pop anything other than those two that you know of. I'm just saying that you're the one that's taking it right here. Sorry. Move this around. All righty. It's just going to be urine. Okay. Shante. All right. All right. I'm the detective from a couple a month now. Okay. Remember me? Okay. Yesterday a judge signed a warrant for your arrest for aggravated manslaughter of a child. Okay. We have the toxicology back and there's other things that we've been investigating in this case. Okay. Since you're under arrest though, I have to read this to you before I can talk to you. Okay. >> My lawyer. >> Okay. All right. So, your your bond is going to be a quarter of a million dollar. Okay. $250,000. Okay. So, we'll get you down to the jail and we'll go from there. Okay. Thank you. >> You want your aunt to have the uh those two cards that were in your pocket? >> Okay. >> And before we leave, just so you make an informed decision, a lot of this is because there's this bad big gap in your story that only you can fill in. Okay, just think about that. >> Shantae Marie Belchure was arrested on the 15th of November 2020, hours after this interview ended on a single count of child neglect. Clearwater police later upgraded the charge. The warrant read to her in the footage that opened this video was for aggravated manslaughter of a child and her bond was set at $250,000. The detective serving it told her the toxicology had come back. He did not say what it showed and the result has never been made public. The case was prosecuted in the Panellis County Circuit Court before Judge Chris Helinger. Belchure was convicted and she appealed. On the 5th of March 2025, Florida's second district court of appeal affirmed the judgment percurium without a written opinion. What the public record has never established is that she gave Kyrie Gordon anything. What she was held to account for is the 12 hours. If you value real police interrogations, critical moments, and the investigative strategies that uncover the truth, subscribe to Evidence Lab Interrogation and turn on notifications so you don't miss the next interrogation. Until next time, stay observant because in the interrogation room, every word matters.