Most of you will already be aware of who 2-year-old Caylee Anthony was. The majority will know that she sadly passed away at some point between 1:00 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. on June 16th, 2008. Her death is undoubtedly the most heartbreaking part of this story, and we only need a single word to epitomize her short life, tragic. But the primary subject of this video is not about the life nor the death of Caylee Marie Anthony. It is in fact about the psychological constitution of her mother, 22-year-old Casey Marie Anthony. So, rather than tragic, you'll find the words disturbing and perplexing to be far better suited to the theme of this video. One of the many reasons this case is exceptional is how the present day's topic of discussion has little to do with the actual occurrences of the crime, but in fact the subsequent developments that followed. People are no longer talking about how or even why Caylee Anthony passed away. They are instead talking about the manner in which a mother responded to her daughter's death. Given all the acquired information we now have, even if we afford this person the most morally acceptable possibility of what occurred, her manner of conduct was still unimaginably cold-blooded. This is driven home by the fact she was evaluated by two clinical psychologists during her time in custody, and not a single abnormality was discovered with relation to her psychological state. In other words, there were no signs of mental illness whatsoever, and this makes the character study of Casey Anthony just as fascinating as it is terrifying. A human being's state of mind is something most accurately assessed with a full capacity of hindsight. So, before we evaluate our first segment of raw footage, here's a quick rundown of each of the essential moments that will give you a broader understanding of what we're actually dealing with. On the 15th of July, 2008, Orlando police received a call from Cindy Anthony, the grandmother of the victim. 911, what's your emergency? I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff I spoke with said my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. We're talking about a 3-year-old little girl. MY DAUGHTER finally admitted that the baby sitter took her. I need to find her. Your daughter admitted that your the baby is where? The baby sitter took her months ago. My daughter's been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong. I found my daughter's car today, and it smells like there's smells like there's a dead body in the trunk. Okay, what is the 3-year-old's name? Caylee, c a y l e e Anthony. Caylee Anthony? Yes. How long has she been missing for? I have not seen her since the 7th of June. Is your daughter there? Yes. Can I speak with her? This is her daughter. They want to talk to you. Answer the questions. Hello. Hello. Yes. Can you tell me what's going on a little bit? I'm sorry. Can you tell me a little bit what's going on? My daughter's been missing for the last 31 days. And you know who has her? I know who has her. I tried to contact her. I actually received a phone call today. Now, from a number that is no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, about a minute. Who has her? Do you have a name? Her name is Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. To give some context to this bizarre phone call, Casey Anthony had left the family home with her daughter a month earlier, stating that she had a work assignment in Tampa and would be traveling the entire time. Caylee's grandparents would ask repeatedly over the following month to see or at least speak to their granddaughter, but Casey claimed each and every time that she was too busy with work and that Caylee was with a nanny who went by the name Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez, or Zanny for short. On July 15th, exactly 6 weeks after Caylee was last seen by her grandparents, George Anthony received a phone call that the family car was at the impound lot. This immediately alerted suspicion as it was the same car Casey had supposedly been traveling with for work. Suspicion turned into panic once they picked up the vehicle, and George discovered a strong odor emanating from the trunk, one that he recognized from his years as a police officer and found comparable to that of human decomposition. Through contacting one of Casey's friends, her parents managed to track her down at her boyfriend's house in Orlando, where they were found smoking marijuana and watching TV. When inquired over the whereabouts of her daughter, Casey stated that she had been kidnapped 31 days before by the supposed babysitter. It was at that moment Cindy Anthony called 911. 911, what's your emergency? Who has her? Do you have a name? Her name is Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. Who is that? Babysitter? She's been my nanny for about a year and a half, almost 2 years. Why are you calling now? Why didn't you call 31 days ago? I've been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which was stupid. I think officers are here. The officers are there? Yes. Now, let's indulge in the world of fantasy for just a moment and pretend all of what Casey had just stated was true. She had indeed been working, and her daughter was in fact kidnapped by the babysitter a month earlier. The immediate premise most would gather would be that Casey had no regard for her daughter whatsoever. In the 911 call, there was no urgency nor concern in her voice, and rather than her volunteering information, which most parents would do in a frantic manner, it had to be acquired by the dispatcher through repeated inquisition. All you have to do is compare Casey's dialogue to that of her mother's in the same phone call. One was indifferent, while the other was distraught. Police would have picked up on this immediately. Even without the bizarre phone call, the circumstances alone would make Casey the prime suspect in her daughter's disappearance. She was immediately interviewed as a witness, which unbeknownst to her was the detective's first step in locking her into as many lies as possible. The date and time is July 16th, 2008. The time right now is 04:11 hours. I'm Detective Melich with the Orange County Sheriff's Office. I am with Casey Anthony, is that correct? Yes. Casey, you understand this is being recorded? Yes. Do you have any objection to that? No. All right. Casey, I got a call here in the in reference to a missing child. You took Caylee to a babysitter's house. Yes. And who is this babysitter? Her name is Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. Okay. How long had you known Zenaida? Almost 4 years. It'll be 4 years Christmas this year. And where did you meet her? Who did you meet her through? A mutual friend. His name is Jeffrey Michael Hopkins. And I met him at Nickelodeon Universal, and I met her through him. She was his son's nanny at the time. Does Jeffrey still work at uh Universal? No, he does not. How long has it been since he left? About 9, 10 months, give or take. He moved up to North Carolina for a short time and moved down to Jacksonville within the last 3 months. How would you characterize your relationship with Miss Anthony? More or less acquaintances. Were you very good friends? Not very good friends. Did you ever work at Universal Studios? I did. When did you work at Universal Studios? Approximately 2002. How long did you work there for? 1 year. Did you ever work there at the same time that Casey Anthony worked there? I don't think so. You don't recall ever seeing her there? Never. Did you ever introduce Casey Anthony to a woman by the name of Zenaida Gonzalez? I did not. Did you ever use Zenaida Gonzalez as as a nanny? No, sir. Do you have any children? No, sir. Uh Have you lived in the Orlando area consistently since 2002? Yes, sir. Have you ever lived in Jacksonville? No, sir. Have you ever lived in North Carolina? No, sir. Did you see Casey Anthony in the month of June of 2008? No, sir. When was the last time you spoke with him? About a week and a half ago. Do you know a telephone number for him? I can find a number for him. I don't know a number offhand. No, I do not. So, you met Zenaida through Jeffrey Hopkins. I did. And his son, Zach Hopkins, I guess. Did Zenaida used to watch over Zach? Yes. And when did she start watching over your child? It's been within the last year and a half, 2 years that she started watching Caylee. How would you normally drop off How would you normally do the exchange with your child and Zenaida? Would you drop the child off? Would she meet you somewhere? I would usually drop her off. For a few months, we would go over to Jeff's house. He lived over in Avalon Park. And you would go to Jeff's house why? To drop off Caylee. That's where Zenaida would go to watch both of the kids. Okay. It was in a nice, centralized area. He had a decent-sized house. It was good room for the two of them. Go back to your statement. You dropped off Caylee June 9th, and walk me through you dropped her off to go to work. Mhm. Okay. Get off of work and go from there. I got off of work, left Universal, driving back to pick up Caylee like a normal day, and I show up to the apartment, knock on the door, nobody answers. So, I call Zenaida's cell phone, and it's out of service. I didn't really want to come home. I wasn't sure what I'd say about not knowing where Caylee was. Still hoping that I would get a call or, you know, find out that Caylee was coming back so that I could go get her. And I ended up going to my boyfriend, Anthony's house, who lives in Sutton Place. Did you talk to Anthony about uh what happened with Caylee? No, I did not. Have you talked to anyone about Caylee, about her missing Caylee, or the fact that she's missing? A couple people, a couple mutual Who did you talk to about it? Um I talked to Jeff Jeffrey Hopkins. Mhm. I talked to Juliet Lewis. She's one of my co-workers at Universal. She works You still work at Universal? Yes. What do What do you do at Universal? I'm an event coordinator. Okay. What is Juliet What position does she Where she work? She's also an event coordinator. We work in the same department. Juliet Lewis doesn't exist. Casey had briefly worked at Universal but hadn't been employed there for over 2 years prior to this interview and she wasn't an event coordinator. She stood behind a kiosk and sold photos of people after they had been on the Incredible Hulk ride. You have a number for Juliet? Ooh, off hand I can't think of one. She in your cell phone? No, she's not. Some of the more recent numbers Her number just changed because she just moved back up north. She Within the last 2 months has finished moving up to New York. She's subleasing her apartment. So, Juliet doesn't work at Universal anymore? No, she does not. What's the reason I asked you this before and I'll ask you this for the record. What's the reason you didn't call the police before? I think part of me was naive enough to think that I could handle this myself which obviously I couldn't. And I was scared that something would happen to her if I did notify the authorities or got the media involved. Just fear of the unknown. Fear of the potential of Caylee getting hurt, of not seeing my daughter again. I asked you this at the onset I asked you this before we went on tape and I'll ask you again just to make sure we're clear. Is there anything about this story that you're telling me that is untrue or is there anything that you want to change or divert from what you've already told me? No, sir. Did you cause any injury to your child, Caylee? No, sir. Did you hurt Caylee or leave her somewhere and you're worried that if we find that out that people are going to look at you a wrong way? No, sir. And you're telling me that it's Zenaida took your child without your permission and hasn't returned her. The last person that I've seen with my daughter, yes. Is she Puerto Rican? Is she Dominican? Is she white? She's mixed. She's black and Puerto Rican. Is there any underlying cause to why Zenaida would take your child? Nothing that She ever make any statements to you about Only how much she loves Caylee and how great of a kid she is. And when you talked to Jeffrey afterwards, I'm assuming that Jeffrey's child still with him? His child is still with him. You said Zenaida had family up in uh New England up in New York or something? Yes, she has family down south. Her mother, her sister, um her brother's in New York. She's originally from New York. Pretty much grew up there. Moved down here, went to University of Florida. Zenaida, the nanny, doesn't exist. Casey never had a babysitter. Being the retrospective viewer, we have the benefit of knowing these are outright fabrications and these meticulous details are a textbook sign of a pathological liar. She speaks eloquently and naturally as if her dialogue is a reflex response to the questions she's being asked. When in reality, each of these minor details are calculated and deliberately placed for the purpose of deception and the nonchalant, easy-going tone she employs is used to camouflage anxiety. Casey has not only become accustomed to manipulation, she has become extremely skilled in how to use it effectively. It takes us to the concept of nurture and how it most likely had a significant impact on her current circumstances. If we go through what we know about Casey's domestic history, there are numerous occasions where she had gotten away with things that most would not simply due to the fact that she was able to continuously lie without conscience. A prime example could be when she was 18 years old and stopped attending class midway through her senior year. She literally skipped the entire second half of her final year to go hang out with her older boyfriend. Her parents became suspicious on several occasions yet each and every time Casey had some whimsical excuse to which she was given the benefit of a doubt. Then just days before graduation, her parents were informed by the school of her truancy and that she would not be graduating. When confronted, Casey's excuse was that her timetable was mixed up by the school causing her to miss classes through no fault of her own. This is obviously a completely baffling excuse that no sane person would ever believe yet whether it be through denial or an overprotective nature, Casey's parents not only took her at her word but even shielded her from the consequences of her actions. They lied to all their family friends that she graduated with honors and even threw her an extravagant graduation party the day after. This is just one of the many occurrences where Casey faced no ramifications for misconduct. It seemed to give her the belief that no matter what she did, as long as she could spin one lie after another or at least drag a lie out for as long as possible, everything would work itself out. The truth is that everything did work itself out when she was dealing with her parents and she evidently thought the same rules applied with regard to national law and a missing child's investigation. After the initial statement you just heard, Casey was asked if she could take police to all places of interest. She happily obliged and then proceeded to lead them to a multitude of fake addresses which she had nothing to do with. She then took them to her supposed office at Universal Studios and literally led three senior investigators to the very end of the building taking over 25 minutes to walk to before she finally turned around, put her hands in her back pockets, laughed and admitted that she didn't work there. Completely dumbfounded, the detectives placed her under arrest and took her to a conference room in the building for what was essentially an interrogation. Since I left you this morning, I've gone to every address that you've told me. I came over here. I've already talked to all the employees. I found out all these names that you're giving me are people that either never worked here or have been fired here for a long time ago. Okay? So, where we are right now is in a position that doesn't look very good for you cuz obviously I know and you know that everything you told me is a lie, correct? Not everything that I've told you. Pretty much everything that you've told me including where Caylee is right now. That I still I don't know where she is. Sure you do. And here here's Listen, let me let me let me let me explain something. Looking at you, I know that everything that you've told me is a lie. I'm very confident just by having talked to you this short period of time that you know where she is. I legitimately have not seen my daughter in 5 weeks. I didn't want anything to happen to her except I trusted her with somebody. Somebody that had been taking care of her, that had been taking good care of her. Someone that she was comfortable with, that I was comfortable with. Yeah. work here up until about 2 months ago? No, he hasn't worked here for quite a while. 10 months? How long? It's been at least 10 months. Okay. He got fired in 2002. He hasn't been an employee here since 2002. We've put a lot more together than I think you realize we put together. My question to you is we're in this office because Our purpose in coming here was to do what? I'm trying to think of places where I know she's been. not answering my question. Do you want us to help? We want to help us find your daughter. What do you want me to do? Well, a good starting point would be to answer the questions, okay? If I say to you we're here because and then you just ignore that like I never asked it and go off in some other direction, is that answering the question? No. Okay. Let's go through this again. We're here because because I lied, because I brought you up here. And honestly, I was reaching for And I'll stop right there. I want you to tell me how lying to us is going to help us find your daughter. It's not going to. Well, then if the main thing you want to do is find your daughter and you don't think lying to us is going to help us find her, why would you do that? Because I'm scared and I'm I know I'm running out of options. It's been a month. What are you scared of? I'm scared of not seeing my daughter ever again. I'm a parent, too. I would have been beside myself. I have been. I would have called the police immediately and that's the part that I just don't understand. But we can We've got so many resources out there that we could help on day one. You didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to do. At that point, I'm thinking, okay, they haven't been gone that long. Maybe I can find them. Maybe I can track them down. Well, we're not stupid, okay? And what you're doing right now is you're you're treating us like we're stupid. Everything that's coming out of your mouth is a lie. Everything. Either you gave Caylee to someone and you don't want anyone to find out because you think you're a bad mom or something happened to Caylee and Caylee's buried somewhere or in a trash can somewhere and you had something to do with it. Either way right now is not a very pretty picture to be painting. You're painting yourself as a very bad person. This needs to end. The truthful thing is that I have not seen my daughter. The last time that I saw her was on the night of July 15th. Remember we had those two people that we were talking about, the person who had an accident and a person who's just a cold-blooded, callous monster? That's telling me that you are the second person, this cold-blooded, callous monster who doesn't care and doesn't want to help because she's afraid that something so heinous happened that everyone's going to look at her and say, "She's a monster. She deserves to go away. She deserves never see the light of day. This bad thing should happen to her." I don't want to believe that right now but you're not giving me a choice. Tell us what happened to Caylee. Tell us what happened to Caylee. off Caylee. And that's the last time that I've seen her. I dropped her Where did you drop her off? I dropped her off at that apartment. No, you didn't. That's exactly where I dropped her off. Did you just think that one day she's just going to show up at your house? No, I sat around yesterday trying to figure out what to do. I'm glad that I ended up seeing my mom, that all of that stuff happened. Happened for a reason because it's You're glad you saw your mom. You could have saw your mom 5 weeks ago said, "Mom, I don't know where my I saw my mom's reaction right off the bat and it would have been the same from the get-go. So, wait a minute. You're more afraid of your mom's reaction than you are if you ever see your daughter again? No, I'm absolutely petrified. Absolutely petrified. I know my mom will never forgive me. I'm never going to forgive myself. Is it that there's some other thing more important in your life right now that you just weren't really focused on what you were saying when you told us so you kind of just accidentally told us you had an office here and we needed to be here? or did you purposely mislead us? Which of those two is it? I purposely misled Okay, so you purposely misled us. This was all an attempt to help find your daughter, right? That makes sense to you, correct? In a backwards sort of way, yes. In a backwards sort of way? back to places that are familiar to me that I know are familiar to her. Familiar situations that maybe just maybe would help. She's almost three. She's almost three. What do you think she's going to take a cab here? I mean, how do you think she's going to get here? Because she's with someone else. She's with someone else who's hid her from you for 5 weeks. Yes. Why would a person who has hid your daughter from you for 5 weeks, okay, bring her to the building that you used to work at? I don't know what else to do anymore. If I knew where she was, if something me ask you this. Do you think Do you think Do you Do you believe thinking up more lies to tell us will help No. She's with someone that I absolutely do not trust. And then I'm absolutely scared that That you don't trust yet was babysitting your daughter for you. I don't trust her now. Because of what happened. Who did you call first? Who did you go to for help first to help try to find her? No one. Oh, no. Okay. All right. Okay. Well, I'm glad we got that straightened out. Casey was then taken to the county jail where she in the evening hours was able to make a phone call and just happened to see her mother on the local news moments before speaking to her. Casey? Mom. Hey, sweetie. Well, I just saw your nice little cameo on TV. Which one? What do you mean which one? Which one? I did four different ones and I don't know. I haven't seen them all. I've only seen one or two so far. You don't know what my involvement is and stuff? Casey. Mom. What? No. I don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart. And you think you're not telling me where she's at. Because I don't even know where she's at. Are you kidding me? Casey, don't waste your call to scream and holler at me. I wasted my call sitting in the jail. Whose fault is you're sitting in the jail? You blaming me that you're sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it's not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you'd have told them the truth and not lied about everything, they wouldn't Do me a favor. Just tell me what Tony's number is. I don't want to talk to you right now. I don't have his number. Well, get it from Lee because I know Lee's at the house. Get Tony's number for me. Hey. Hey. Can you give me Tony's number? I can't do that. I don't know what real good it's going to do at this point. Well, I'd like to talk to him anyway. Okay. Because I called to talk to my mother and it's a waste. Oh, by the way, I don't want any of you coming up here when I have my first hearing for bond and everything else. Like don't even waste your time coming up here. You're making it real tough for anybody to want to try to I'm not going around and around with you. That's going to be pointless. Christina would love to talk to you cuz she thinks that you will tell her what's going on. Frankly, we're going to find out everything that you're telling them is true or know. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think any of this would be happening? No. All right, you all you got a couple minutes with us. I'm not going to let you sit there and waste it. Here's Christina. She thinks you can get the No. No. I want Tony's number. I'm not talking to anybody else. Okay. Hi. I'm glad everybody's at my house. Do me a favor. Get my brother back because I need Tony's number. Does Does Tony have anything to do with Caylee? No. Nothing. Okay. So, why do you want to talk to Tony? He's my boyfriend and I want to actually try to sit and talk to him because I didn't get a chance to talk to him earlier because I got arrested on when today? I just want to talk to Tony and get a little bit of Casey, you have to tell me if you know anything about Caylee. Sweetheart, if I find out what happened with Caylee, Caylee, I'll die. Do you understand? I'll die. Do me a favor. I'll do anything for my baby. Oh my god. Calling you guys a waste. Huge waste. Casey appeared in the court the next morning and was initially denied bail by the judge. He cited his reason as her undeniable disregard for the welfare of her own child. She was kept in protective custody and it would be 9 days until she received her first visit from her parents. Hi. Sweetie, we've been we've been watching you for so long. You have? I love you. I love you, too. Hi. We've been seeing you sitting down. We We forgive anything that you've said Oh. or done. Hold on. Can we turn the volume down? Yeah. He can probably hear it. My head's going to explode. What's that T-shirt? I didn't get a chance to ask him, you know, other things cuz Caylee's picture's on the back. Is it? Can Dad show me the shirt? Turn around so you she can see. It's the Never Lose Hope Foundation. Do you see it? I can see part of it, yeah. Have you seen me? And then it has the information on how to contact. Okay. Casey, you don't realize the whole United States is looking for Caylee. I know that, Mom. Her cover's going to be on People magazine in a few days. Okay. With a readership of over 46 million adults in America, having your missing child on the front cover of People magazine would seem as a godsend to most. Yet, Casey's response is almost as if it's a lost cause. Everybody is looking for her. Oh, good. [sighs] Everybody is looking for her. Are we going to be able to find her, do you think? I hope we can, Mom. Now, I didn't get a chance to ask Lee. Um Can you look up a little bit more? Raise your eyes up a little bit. There you go. So, actually Look straight up so I can look into your eyes, darling. Thank you. I need You know I need to do that. It's okay to cry, Casey. It's all right, love. We've all been crying. Setting aside morality and ethics for just a moment, Casey at this point would be emotionally exhausted. She had been sitting in an isolated jail cell for almost 2 weeks as the entire world was turning against her. Anyone in her position, guilty or otherwise, would be at near breaking point and her composed exterior now finally slips. She for a brief moment allows herself to be vulnerable and for perhaps the first time expresses the pain of her situation. This is one of the few moments where Casey's true self is on display. Of itself, it's a touching moment between a mother and daughter. Yet, if we add in the context of the surrounding elements, she is only expressing this pain for herself. Just a moment ago, when she saw her deceased daughter's face on her father's shirt, none of this emotion came out. Casey, I want to ask you just a couple questions. Good. The rest of the visit is extremely bizarre. Casey's parents try to extract any information they can about Caylee's possible whereabouts and each time are essentially dismissed by Casey as if they're asking pointless and irritating questions. Do we have any pictures of Cindy's apartment? Lee and I already talked about this. I don't know. It could be on the discs at home. I don't know. What is your I can't get into your I gave Lee everything already. I gave Lee all of the passwords, everything we could possibly go over again. I want to get some video clips of Caylee because the video clip with Grandpa is really helping people. Pic Still pictures don't show No, they don't show personality. Right. And we need to show her personality. So, I need to make sure we get that password. I gave Lee the password. Please look up, sweetheart. I need to see your eyes. I want to be able to look at you guys, too. I can't look at you and look at the camera. Well, you don't have to look at the camera. Look at me. I'm looking at you. Okay. You're sitting very low. I know. The exchange switches back and forth from inquisitive and challenging to sympathetic and loving. And every time her parents stop inquiring over the case and show that they still care about Casey herself is when the tears come out. Do you want to speak to your father now? Sure. Okay. Hey, gorgeous. How you doing? I look like hell. Well, you know something? You You really need to keep your spirit high for all this. I have. I haven't been crying while I've been in here. Well, you know something? and do other things to keep my mind off of stuff. Well, you know, I want to be able to reach out and hug you and give you the you know, the big the big Papa Joe hug. But, you know, I I I We got to get that little girl back anyway we can and we're and we're doing everything we can. concern. I gave Lee a statement. I want him to speak to whoever in the media. Give them a statement specifically from me. He's going to give them an exact quote. Every time Casey's parents mention that people are willing to help with the search, Casey dismisses the credibility and even attacks some of their characters while she's at it. Tara? Tara from Michigan. You mean Mark's psycho ex-wife, Tara? Yes. Listen. People like Tara, people like Jesse who are maybe trying to help, even Christina, God bless her, don't know what the hell they're talking about. I want you to know I want to take your pain away from you. So, so you can tell me anything. I know that, Dad. I miss you, sweetie. [snorts] I know that. I miss you, too. I wish I could have been a better dad and better grandpa, you know? You've been a great dad and you've been the best grandfather. Don't for a second think otherwise. Well, you know, you Mom have been the grea- best grandparents. Caylee's been so lucky. Caylee's been so lucky to have both of you. You I can't even put into words how glad I am that she's had both of you. And that she still has both of you. You know, it goes without saying, you know, that our our house is empty without both of you there. It's empty. [sighs] All the little things we took for granted, we miss them so so much. That's exactly how I feel. All your little things and all her little things, it's just it hurts when they're when they're not there. Mom and I are just going through the motions, you know. [sighs] I ate coleslaw today. It's how my coleslaw Well, you probably you probably eat a lot of things you never used to eat before because when you're hungry, you'll eat. I hated baloney. I've been eating baloney and cheese on occasion. Grits. I don't do grits at all. It's terrible. Well, you know what? You're going to eat what's in front of you. We get another glimpse at Casey's skill in fabricating information and her ability to intertwine specific details to afford her lies some credibility. These minor intricacies are what would make her extremely convincing if we didn't happen to know otherwise. They never searched by her full name. They searched by as in either Fernandez or as in either Gonzalez, never by her full name. And it's Z E Z E N A I D A. I don't think she has a middle name. There was never a middle name on anything that I remember seeing. And I know she went by both last names. She always remarried. So, Flores Gonzalez and you don't know what her stepdad Fernandez Gonzalez. So, you don't know it? Fernandez Gonzalez. I think her her dad's first name is Victor. Her stepdad. Or that could be her real dad. But I remember her saying Victor. Victor and Gloria are her parents. But they're separated or divorced? They are as of now, yeah. That was her stepdad. But I know she has a lot of money. That's where she got the car from. I only get one or two um phone calls a day that you know, that are not nice phone calls. But I get many many many phone calls and many people reaching out that just believe in you. They believe in us finding Caylee. Okay? So, keep your head up high. But if you think of anything that can help, don't be afraid. Oh, I won't hesitate to let you guys know. You have to keep think positive. Positive feelings, Casey. Oh, I know. I have been. I've been staying as positive as I can. But do you think after this long she'd still be local? There's a possibility. What's your gut telling you right now? What you have to say That she's okay. Okay. And your gut tells you that she's close or some she's she's hiding She's not far. I know in my heart she's not far. I can feel it. Okay. This was perhaps the first time Casey told the truth when speaking of her daughter's whereabouts as she indeed wasn't that far away. Her attorney, Jose Baez, eventually managed to get her bail and Casey was fitted with an electronic monitoring device and released on August 21st. She had spent just over 1 month in custody. 2 months later, police were granted permission to arrest Casey on the charge of first-degree murder. She was taken in for interrogation but immediately requested her right to counsel. She was kept in the interview room while awaiting her attorney and the released footage of that period is so bizarre to the point where it's almost comical. The detectives give off a passive yet glaringly obvious vibe that lets Casey know exactly what they think, being that she is guilty of her daughter's probable death and a fundamentally terrible human being on every imaginable level. Casey's response to this is to essentially ignore it and act as if the discourse between them and the situation itself is an everyday occurrence. One that perhaps doesn't concern the disappearance of her daughter for which she is being charged for. You'll notice that she effortlessly maintains the same confident and talkative disposition that she had in her previous interviews with police. It's almost surreal to watch given the circumstance and the visual element adds an entire new level to the absurdity. The first segment of footage shows the arresting officer waiting with Casey for the lead investigator to arrive. He initiates the conversation by bringing up the subject of Casey's parents. He asserts that he's worried about them but the actual message he's putting across is that he essentially knows Casey is guilty and that she isn't fooling anyone. It's an indirect yet obvious accusation. I was afraid that some of what I said to them probably offended them because I told them that if I find out something that you don't want to hear, Mhm. I'm going to tell you anyway. Well, honestly, they'll respect that. That's just you know, the type of people that they are in the are. It was never my intention to piss anybody in your family off. Okay. You know, I'm not in it to get a conviction. I get nothing out of it. I get zero. Exactly. You have a job you're trying to do. I I I found a few I found a few and it cuts both ways. Yeah. I agree. So. It is what it is. Where I get sideways with people Mhm. tends to be when attorneys get involved. I've heard most people say that. They don't like attorneys very much. I have I have many family members that are attorneys. I have no problems with attorneys. What I have problems with are at some point Mhm. we have to set aside the rules and we have to find kids. And you know what? So be it. That's why I told you in the car. You know, if you tell me anything now, Yeah. I'll get up and say, "Yep, I heard it." And she'd already invoked him. We can't use any of it. That's just the way it is. That's all that matters to me. Yeah. The detective here has essentially just asked Casey for the information he knows she has about her missing child. Rather than retaliate and refute the blatant accusation, Casey continues with her sharp responses of accordance as if to say she agrees and knows exactly where the detective is coming from. Yet although she apparently agrees, she offers no information or follow-up dialogue thereafter. It's so incredibly awkward yet equally intriguing to watch. I know. You know, when we did did the another case that I was involved in, you know, they they lost a confession. And I said to the other detectives that we worked on, I said, That's not what's important. I We found her. We found her and they didn't get what was coming to them. That's not my job. Mhm. You know? And and it works out in the end. It works out in the end on all sides, mhm, to be honest with you. It may not be comfortable for everybody. Yeah. And there's I've done things that if I get caught for, I'm not going to be comfortable. I can tell you that. But it's just the way life is. You know? But it's not the end of the road, either. And that's what we have to keep in mind. It's not the end of the road. You know? Casey then casually brings up the topic of the grand jury and the media surrounding her murder trial. She raises the questions as if she's talking about her favorite daytime TV show. Yeah, I know. But but if the subpoena itself is just a regular federal grand jury subpoena, that's public records. It doesn't say what it's for. It doesn't say what case it's in. It doesn't It just says you're subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury. Well, with them announcing that, you know, there was going to be a grand jury, obviously my name was thrown out. They knew who the grand jury was for. Who threw your name out? All of the media said that it was from an inside source, meaning in here. So, that's where they all say it's I can tell you what I think of the media and what I think of people who leak stuff to the media. I think it's garbage. Yeah. But I agree. That's the nice thing about putting it doesn't make it any less necessary. Without them, Mhm. I'll be quite honest. Without the media, we don't find a quarter of the kids that we Oh, I agree. It helps. The exposure has helped bring in so many tips for my daughter. But at the same time, what it what it creates is it creates a monster that otherwise isn't necessary. Exactly. Uh the tips are what the tips are. Mhm. If it was a local media only, Mhm. it would be much easier to work. Yeah. When you make it the national media, then you come up with You get the Nancy Graces. Well, you get the Well, you get the tips also that come from Hawaii that say, "I saw Caylee." Mhm. Oh, really? Mhm. Okay, let me call Hawaii and let me send them out and let me do that. I want the a little bit closer to me. Those are those are what I consider local because the local stations are going to cover that. That's That's contiguous to the state of Florida. It's not When people are only getting their information from the Nancy Graces or from Globe magazine or People or, you know, stuff like that. Are you kidding me? You're not going to break bad, right? All right. We're going to call him on my cell phone. Okay. I know this is though Yeah, that's not good. Pull back there. [laughter] Just slide your hands out. No, I'll get it out. can't. No, they're a little tight. Thanks for entertaining us. Just slide your hands out. We're going to call Baez. Actually, if I could, I would have done that for you. I don't know Baez's phone number off the top of your head? No, I do not. How did How can you get the cell number or his number? Um I know his office number. What is that? 407 I've myself. Do you know why you're in custody? Yes. Um and you have You signed this, you want your attorney present. Yes. Hey, it's Casey. Um I'm with Corporal Corporal Edwards. I don't know his last name, sorry. Um I'm at the Sheriff's Department if you'd like to come down and meet with us. Thank you. Yes. And to answer your other question, um from that picture, I cut my hair. It was really short even last year. I just started growing it back out this year, so. Yes, about that. Okay. [laughter] It's been a long day. Yeah, it's been. How was my dad this morning? Um he had a hard time. Yeah. Honestly. I only saw him in the meeting, got a chance to hear him talking to my mom. I spoke to him last night and this morning for just a little second before he left, so. Yeah, I talked to him this morning for a little bit. He was with Mark and yeah, he was really struggling. I mean, I can imagine he was having a hard time. Uh yeah, he was being called in to to essentially provide testimony to indict you, at the least. And he was really struggling with that. Yeah. And uh and I felt bad for him, I'll be honest with you. I truly did. Well, I had told him last night, I know he was subpoenaed and under the law he had to answer whatever questions were asked him, and I told him to do what he had to do. Imagine you were Casey, but void of any wrongdoing whatsoever. Your daughter was kidnapped 5 weeks ago and now a detective who thinks you're the culprit is relaying the agonizing moments of your father providing information for your arrest. No matter how stoic or self-controlled your nature, you would most likely be in tears or completely enraged at the overwhelming unjustness of the situation. Any answers about today at all? Um I have been. I mean, this is something honestly we've been preparing for from the beginning just because of words that were directly spoken from Yuri Mogalish and also from uh Sergeant Allen. They were saying that this is what they were planning on doing from the very beginning from that first day. So, they wrote me off within the first couple hours. That was the only time they ever made any effort to try to talk to me one-on-one. And Well, it's kind of difficult. It was kind of difficult considering Well, considering obviously in light of everything that's going on, and you've been arrested for other things. Makes it a little more difficult to sit down and even talk to you. Mhm. It's not that we haven't wanted to. Yeah. Um I do have counsel, and that's something that you know, my attorney's always been a phone call away. Has Has your attorney ever told you that we would like to speak to you? And we had agreed, him and I together, that we would all sit down together, him and I and you guys, and you know, we'd entertain whatever questions you have and There is no possible way that a defense attorney would actually sit down and as Casey states, entertain any question the police have for them. Yet, if we weren't paying close attention, we would take her at her word due to the eloquence of her dialogue and not realize everything she's saying is complete nonsense. And I should have made it clear that yeah, we wanted to talk to you. I mean, obviously we can't come to you and ask you. Yeah. But understandably. Yeah, I thought that you were aware that if you wanted to talk to to him, anybody, that all you got to do is simply ask. Yeah. Well, I know it goes both ways on that and I guess it would have needed to come from me. I should have been the one to I guess come forward with it, but you know, we did open up that door to law enforcement before when Sergeant Allen was making a big deal saying, "Well, we want to talk to her. When can we talk to her?" And he's saying, "Well, the door's open." Mhm. I don't believe he ever told us the door was open. What's fascinating is how instinctive and confident her assertions are. In any other circumstance, or even without the knowledge we have now, you would have no reason not to believe everything she's saying. I've heard the words come out of his mouth even myself directed to other people that maybe didn't either relay the message or took it a different way, so I don't know. I think the lack of communication has put people in opposite corners when everybody has the same goal is to find Caylee. We all still feel, I as a mom, I know in my gut there's a feeling as a parent, you know certain things about your child, you can feel that connection. And I still have that feeling, that presence. I know that she's alive. Whether you have a bucket load of evidence downstairs that contradicts that and says otherwise or all you have is speculation or or nothing at all. I mean We have more than speculation. Has every tip and every lead been followed up on? Yeah. Yeah, we have more than speculation. We have a lot. Otherwise, we wouldn't be to this point. Mhm. A lot. This was essentially a direct confrontation. The detective has just told Casey they have sufficient evidence to prove her guilt. Casey doesn't refute or even respond to the accusation. She instead falls back to her ridiculous dialogue once again, hoping the confidence in her voice will mask the absurdity of what she's actually saying. Well, I said I said the same thing to them that, you know, they said that we're at the end of the hallway and I'm thinking, "We're at the end of the hallway and there's two doors. Which door are we going to go through?" Or I guess this is, you know, where at this point and We are at this point where we're The The final step is which door is walked through. We are well beyond where we were before. Mhm. I mean, those those issues are gone. Okay. And when we referred to we're at the end of the hallway, I think you were you were you were well aware of what hallway we're talking about. Do you understand that? Um well, so there's Do you have a question, I guess? You can specify that at this point. Or what your perspective is on that. You have a second? Absolutely. Can we come right back? Yeah, that's fine. You planning on running off? Not going anywhere. I got to stretch out a little bit. I'm not as young as I used to be. It's unfortunate that right when the pressure was starting to build, the second detective interrupts the exchange and they both leave the room soon after. Casey waits alone for roughly 40 minutes before her attorney shows up. He's going to ask you a question and don't say anything else other than the answer. Okay? Casey, based on our conversation today and I read you that form. Mhm. Basically, just same thing I said to Mr. Baez over the phone. There's been numerous requests or or requests or opportunities request for opportunities to speak with us and come to a resolution here. That's why we brought you here instead of the jail. Correct? Yes. Okay. Now, based on your request for us to call him and bring him here, he's here. So, what we're going to try to do is give you a few minutes somewhere that's not recorded. No secrets, I told you. This room's recorded. I have to be able to approach my chain and explain why. The detective now gleefully takes Casey up on her previous offer where she insisted they were willing to sit down with police and answer questions. But first, I needed to you to tell him, in your own words if you will, that you'd like to take the opportunity to deal with us like you've made that request in the past. So, is that something you want to tell him? I told him the same thing we talked about before that we would entertain any questions that they have. We would listen and discuss it and if we have something to respond, we'll respond. Okay, do you want to speak to me in private so we can clarify this? Yes. It would come as no surprise that no conference was to be had. Casey was instead taken to the county jail where she would remain for 2 and 1/2 years awaiting trial. Once this footage was released to the public domain, the consensus was that Casey at best was a cold-hearted mother and at worst, a hideous, despicable murderer. But what's curious is that although these opinions may be accurate, they came from a completely misguided notion, being that her behavior in the footage was entirely genuine. Casey was in all likelihood being completely fake this entire time. So, you might be curious as to why a person would actually fake such a poised temperament when it would be far more fitting to fake sadness and despair. We all have aspects to ourselves that are ungenuine to a certain degree. How we act at a business dinner won't be the way we are at home with our close friends or family. The more comfortable the setting, the more we can be ourselves. Those educated on Casey's past would assert that she was rarely sad, rarely angry, but always this bubbly and agreeable personality even when it didn't suit the situation. She was one of those people where something just seemed off, but you couldn't quite put your finger on it. The evidence put forward suggests that Casey was fake in every single setting and with every single person all of the time. A trait that might go unnoticed in everyday life, yet would clearly stand out when shown under the microscope of a criminal case study. Casey had become so accustomed to this fraudulent way of being that it even came as a natural behavior to her in the extraordinary setting we see here. And the assertion is that because Casey knew just how well she could fabricate this character, she thought she could use it to mask her anxiety and thus conceal guilty behavior. Casey in all likelihood had little to no regard for her daughter. That's not even an argument anymore. But her true temperament here would likely be far more apprehensive due to the concern over her own welfare. Every time the detective insinuated an accusation, Casey kept the same tone, same demeanor, and same confident, light-hearted disposition. If you took her out of this interrogative setting and placed her in the mall with her friends, it would seem completely normal. She would be faking her personality in both environments, yet we are only able to realize it in one. This type of mindset is linked to sociopathy. Whatever the situation or circumstance, they need to have an advantage over you. So, how do they do this? They lie and also calculate how they are going to feel and react to a certain situation before it occurs. The entirety of her focus was on making herself look good rather than being worried about the actual quality of her character. Casey, in a nutshell, was an inauthentic person long before she ever gave birth to her ill-fated daughter and her skill at deception alongside her manufactured personality is arguably the most terrifying part of this entire case. On December 11th, 2008, just under 5 months since she was reported missing, Caylee's skeletal remains were discovered in a swamp less than a mile away from the Anthony household. She was wrapped in a Winnie the Pooh blanket and then placed in a canvas laundry bag. Duct tape was discovered around the nose and mouth area of the skull and her death was ruled a homicide. Prosecutors in the case then announced they would be seeking the death penalty. There were a multitude of discoveries made in the lead-up to the trial and many believed it to be an open and shut case due to the damnatory nature of the evidence. On the last day Caylee was seen alive by anyone other than her mother, and the day many believed she was murdered, Casey Anthony made the following internet searches. At 7:54 p.m. that same evening, Casey and her boyfriend Tony were seen in a Blockbuster video store. Caylee was nowhere in sight and many presumed she was already dead and decomposing in Casey's trunk at this point. In the following weeks, Casey went out partying most nights. Just 3 days after her daughter's supposed abduction, she was captured in various photos participating in a hot body contest. 12 days after, she got a tattoo on her back saying "Bella Vita", an Italian motto that translates beautiful life. She also made an entry in her diary around the same time which read, "I completely trust my own judgment and I knew that I made the right decision. This is the happiest that I have been in a very long time. I hope that my happiness will continue to grow." The trial commenced on May 24th, 2011. The gist of the prosecution's argument was that Casey suffocated her daughter with duct tape and then placed her in the trunk for a few days before disposing of her body in the swamp. The motive for the murder was the primary focus during their opening statement. This isn't just a case about Casey Marie Anthony. It's a story about Caylee Anthony, as well. Caylee Anthony was born on August 9th of 2005. It was a Tuesday. And Caylee lived nearly every day of her life on a quiet residential street in Orlando called Hope Springs Drive. Casey Anthony Caylee's mother appeared to all outward observers to be what her parents thought she was. A loving mother working hard to provide support for her daughter. But as the evidence in this case and the investigation into the background of Casey Anthony will show that was an illusion. On Monday June 16th Cindy Anthony goes to work as I've described. Sometime between 7:00 and 8:00 a.m. and is out of the house until the late evening. George Anthony specifically recalls that at 12:50 p.m. on June 16th of 2008 his daughter Casey left the residence on Hope Springs Drive with Caylee Marie Anthony. Caylee was wearing a pink shirt jean shorts, sunglasses, and a backpack. And George George Anthony kissed his granddaughter goodbye and never saw her again. In fact no one but Casey Anthony ever saw Caylee Marie Anthony alive again. The evidence in this case will establish that there is no other reason for the placement of multiple pieces of duct tape on this child's face, mouth, and nose other than the specific intent to end that child's life. No one but Casey Anthony had access to all the pieces of evidence in this case. The duct tape, the laundry bag, the blanket, the shorts, the shirt, the car. No one else lied to their friends, to their family, to investigators. No one else benefited from the death of Caylee Marie Anthony. Caylee's death allowed Casey Anthony to live the good life. At least for those 31 days. Although there was a lack of direct physical evidence tying the defendant to her daughter's death, the evidence the state actually had still seemed overwhelming and they understandably thought relying on the facts alone would easily secure a conviction. The defense, on the other hand, were up against it. So, not only did they use charm and appeal to sway the jury's attention away from the evidence, they dropped an absolute bombshell in their opening statements to create as much doubt as humanly possible. On behalf of the defense, I want to thank you for the sacrifice that you've made in your jury service and coming here and helping us see justice. We know it's no easy task and we intend, I'm sure both sides on getting you home as quickly as possible once you have all of the information that you need. Everyone wants to know what happened. How in the world can a mother wait 30 days before ever reporting her child missing? It's insane. It's bizarre. Something's just not right about that. Well, the answer is actually relatively simple. She never was missing. Caylee Anthony died on June 16th, 2008 when she drowned in her family's swimming pool. Well, the reason we're all here is because not of the commonality of this tragedy but of the uniqueness of the family that it happened to. You will hear about ugly things secret things things that people don't speak about. Things that Casey never spoke about. On June 16th, 2008 after Caylee died Casey did what she's been doing all her life or for most of it hiding her pain. Going into that dark corner and pretending that she does not live in in the situation that she's living in. This family must keep its secrets quiet. And it all began when Casey was 8 years old and her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately. This child, would at 8 years old, learn to lie immediately. She could be 13 years old, have her father's penis in her mouth, and then go to school and play with the other kids as if nothing ever happened. That will help you understand why no one knew that her child was dead. The trial would go on to last 6 weeks with the prosecution exposing the truly dark and deceptive nature of Casey's character. While the state relied on fact, the defense clung on to theory and proposed every conspiracy under the sun in the hope they would create enough skepticism and confusion. One of the more noted details of the trial was the courtroom presence of Jose Baez. He had an exceptional ability of narrative control and storytelling and his capacity to create a connection with the jury seemed far more adequate than that of the state. This was recognized and mentioned multiple times in the media, yet the overwhelming majority of those following the case were almost certain that it wouldn't be enough to save the defendant. Closing arguments were put forward on Sunday, the 3rd of July. When you have a child that child becomes your life. [clears throat] This case is about the clash between that responsibility and the expectations that go with it. And the life that Casey Anthony wanted to have. Casey meets Tony. Tony has this life. He's free. He's a club promoter. He's out there at night with the loud music and dancing and it's a great free life. So, she has a choice. A life tethered to a child or a life free to be 22. And as hard as it is for anyone to imagine she had to choose between two sacrificing two things. The first was her dreams and the life she wanted. And the second was her child. And we'd submit to you the evidence in this case shows that the choice she made was her child. Here we are at the end of our journey. And I have to tell you that I probably think you have more questions than you have answers. And if you recall at opening statements, the first the final thing that I told you at the end of the day when everything is said and done the one question will never be answered. The key question in this case will never be answered. It can never be proven. And that is how did Caylee die? I'm going to start with my biggest fear. I'm going to tell you right up front what I fear may happen in this case. And I want to talk to you about it and explain why I feel that way. This case deals with so much emotion. I know that there were times where every single person in here felt something deep down inside. Your rules of deliberation what the law is is that this case must not be decided for or against anyone because you feel sorry for anyone or are angry at anyone. You'll notice that Mr. Baez locks the jury's focus on this while subtly concealing this. He presents the argument that the prosecution has purposely got the jury emotionally invested in the case in the hope it would push them towards a guilty verdict. Yet in this exact same statement, he himself is getting them emotionally invested for the exact opposite reason. While refuting the prosecution's supposed attempt to entice anger, he subtly attempts to evoke empathy. Say what you want about this attorney and the ethics of his conduct, but what you are about to witness is expertly done and what many believe to be what saved Casey Anthony's life. And that's because obviously we want you to base your verdict on the evidence not on emotion. And it's my biggest fear because it's such a difficult thing for you to push aside. Caylee Anthony was a beautiful, sweet, innocent child who died far too soon. There's no doubt about it and that is not disputed by anyone. But to parade her up here to invoke your emotion would be improper. It's improper under the law and it's improper as to the rules of your deliberation. He went on for a great length of time talking about this beautiful child. Not on his evidence, not on the evidence that was presented before you. It was to set up the emotion for what was to come. And that is exactly how this case was presented. You they didn't come right out the gate and show you the evidence. They gave you 2 weeks of testimony that was completely irrelevant and served only one purpose. And that was to paint Casey Anthony as a [ __ ] as a party girl as a girl who lies and has absolutely nothing to do with how Caylee died. And this prosecution was geared in such a manner that it was deliberate it was methodical, it was thorough, and it was detailed. Mr. Baez then focuses on the fact that the state has the burden of proof and thereafter continues to intertwine the two essential features of his argument, empathy and doubt. Don't speculate. Don't guess. It has to be proven to you beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt. If you don't know what happened it wasn't proven. We don't want you to tell us what you think happened. We want you to tell us what was proven happened. And that's the difference here. Cuz you know what? We can go on and speculate all day long as to the different theories that were posed before you, as to the different possibilities. But the truth of the matter is is it must be what was proven. There are no mysteries to solve here. There should be no mystery before you right now. If you have questions, then it was not proven. And that's as simple as it goes. Now back to what I was saying with their initial setup the way the case was presented the first couple of weeks. You see the strategy behind that is is if you hate her, if you think she's a lying, no good [ __ ] then you'll start to look at this evidence in a different light. You'll start to Well, wait a minute. Maybe I I'm seeing something that's not there. And start to actually discriminate against her rather than give her the standard that is afforded to each and every citizen in our country. And that is that the state that the government come in here and prove their case beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt. But you can get away with that if we can get a jury to hate her. But you're here to fulfill an oath. You've labored tremendously over this journey. And we're going to ask you to render a verdict of not guilty on these charges because they simply were not proven. And they're simply not true. For the Ninth Judicial Circuit in and for Orange County, Florida State of Florida versus Casey Marie Anthony as to case number 2008 CF15606-O as to the charge of first degree murder verdict as to count one, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. So say we all. Dated at Orlando, Orange County, Florida on this 5th day of July, 2011. Signed foreperson. As to the charge of aggravated child abuse, verdict as to count two, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. So say we all. Dated at Orlando, Orange County, Florida this 5th day of July, 2011. Signed foreperson. As to the charge of aggravated manslaughter of a child, verdict as to count three, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. So say we all. Dated at Orlando, Orange County, Florida this 5th day of July, 2011. Signed foreperson. And juror number 12, were these your true and correct verdicts? Yes. Thank you. Okay. Well, counsel and the defendant approach the podium. Well, I hope that this is a lesson to those of you having indulged in media assassination for 3 years bias and prejudice and incompetent talking heads saying what would be and how to be. Uh I'm disgusted by some of the lawyers who have done this. And I can tell you that my colleagues from coast to coast and border to border have condemned this whole process of lawyers getting on television and talking about cases that they don't know a damn thing about and don't have the experience to back up their words or the law to do it. Now you've learned a lesson and we appreciate the jury those of you that have been objective and professional. We like it. Others, we're going to be talking to again. Thank you very much. Casey did not murder Caylee. It's that simple. And today our system of justice has not dishonored her memory by a false conviction.