PNC PNC. This isn't even what we're talking about here. This is a whole separate crime. August 4th. Okay, buddy. We're going to try again because this whole conversation that you had with Ski is about your PNC account and a $10,000 check, not a $13,000 check in your Chase account. So, all you really just did is tell me that you did this twice. >> Deputies from the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office working a fraud case served a warrant on a suspect who had managed to avoid them for months due to him attending college out of state. What you are about to watch is what happened next. All right. So, you're not telling the truth. >> What? >> I just got off the phone with you. >> So, you said you weren't in town. >> I feel good here today. >> I just talked to him on the phone and he said he wasn't here. >> Okay, that's fine. He's He's under arrest cuz he's not telling all the truth. Why? >> He just come out to tell you. He just talk to you. >> Okay. It's It's too late now. He's not telling the truth. So, he's going to come with us. Okay. >> Okay. >> Come. >> No. >> Come on. >> What's going on? >> Uh, you're under arrest for some fraud charges. >> Fraud charges. I don't even know. >> I know this happened a long time ago. >> You guys said that about a car accident. >> Yeah, we don't always tell the truth like you. >> Nothing hidden on you that's going to get in trouble. >> No. >> All right. to the police station. He's going to the police station. It doesn't matter. You can't come there. >> He's going to the jail. So, you cannot come to to visit him right now. He can call you in a little bit to tell you when he can get out. All right. I know, but you guys are giving me the runaround. >> You just said that you weren't here. >> I literally just told her that we're about to leave right now. She's just >> I get it, but you're not telling the truth. >> What? What do you guys want to hear? I said >> the truth. >> I said I was going to come down to the station. >> You said to her. >> No, we're done. >> He'll call you back on. She You were >> you weren't telling the truth. You said that you weren't here. >> I said I wasn't at home. >> No, exactly. And you were home. >> I was sleeping. >> No, you weren't. >> I was. Look at my [ __ ] I >> Dude, >> you just said you The earliest get there was 5:15 or 7:00 first, you said, and then 5:15. But you're right here. >> Yes, because I didn't I have >> We're 5 minutes down the road. >> I know, but I have to I can't just I have to know what's going on. >> No, you don't. You know what's going on. >> I don't. Okay. You knew what we told you what was going on. >> So, you could have just come for that. >> No, you didn't. I Well, okay. >> We told you you even said what I told that your family before what you were uh being looked at for. So, you knew that's what we said before. >> So, there's no reason for that. That you should not just come with us. >> Okay. Look, when I was up at school, I literally got a call saying that >> um there was some police at my house for a uh a car accident that I got like practically a hit and run. Correct. >> And I was like, "What?" >> So why didn't you call us? >> Why? Why would I call you guys for what? That's >> why wouldn't you? If if someone if someone came to me >> said that I would call the officers back, >> but I let But they said that you guys didn't >> And then we came a second time. >> Yeah. But they said you guys didn't leave no cards. No. >> No. I left the card the first time. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> And then when I called you this first thing this morning, you didn't call me back. Uh, well, I literally have a I had a flight this morning for 5:15. I landed here. I can show you my Westing. I landed here at 6 6 No, I landed here like 8 something. >> 8:00 a.m. >> Yes. Like, >> so you were in the house when we came this morning? >> No, I didn't. I wouldn't. Not yet. No. >> Yes. >> I promised you I'm I have no reason to lie to you for what? >> I literally I got home at 11 something. >> How'd you get home? over. >> I landed at Listen, the reason it just went down like this is cuz you weren't telling the truth. I would have been happy to meet with you, but when you just came out of the house just now, you you just were caught in the lie. >> Correct. I I mean I had no in I had every intention to follow through with what I said and coming to the station. >> But you should have came with your mother this afternoon if you were that concerned. >> Like I said, I think >> that was strange that you sent your mother there by yourself instead of going with her. >> Listen to me. I think this is so outrageous that I did not I would I let my parents deal with it instead of >> No, you're an adult. You deal with it yourself. Don't get your parents involved in this. >> But I just got home. I don't know what's going on. This has been I can't just go to the police station and start which I which it was so outrageous that that's what I was about to do. Like I was going to come to the station and be like hey like what's going on? That's that was my intention. >> I'm detective Conor. Um I'm going to get some basic information from you first. So what's your first and last name? Do you know what you're doing here? >> I literally touched them today. touchdown today. Yes. All right. You ever been arrested before? >> No. >> No. Okay. So, before I ask you any questions, I am going to read you your rights. But I do know just you're already lying to me cuz you do know why you're here because you have talked to me on the phone. >> Your name. >> And then suddenly you didn't answer the phone when I called you back. So, I'm going to read you your rights and then I can talk to you about it. Okay. Here's all the information you gave me. >> What bank do you bank with? >> Truest. >> What? >> Truis. >> Truest. >> You ever bank with Chase? >> Do I have a bank with Chase? >> No. >> You've never had a bank account with Chase? >> I have. >> You have? >> Not right. I don't >> Not right now. But you have in the past? >> How long ago? >> Probably a year and a half. Maybe. >> Year or so ago. >> Okay. So like 2023. >> Sure. >> Sure. Okay. I'm here about a check. >> We talked on the phone for a minute. I told you I needed to get a a sworn statement from you, an interview from you about this check. >> That was the signature on the check. >> That's what's on the check. and you deposit it on July 25th at 6710 Forest Hill Boulevard in Green Acres. All right, look, I'm not stupid. You're not stupid. You just went to college. I know you're not stupid. Okay, so um what I'm going to tell you is this. All the information that you just gave me, first, last name, date of birth, phone number, email, address, that's what I got from Chase Bank. Is your bank account, >> right? >> This your bank account. Is it a statement from your bank account? It's your name? >> Yeah. >> This your account, right? >> Yeah. So, what are we talking? >> These are your transactions. This from 2023. I just want to know if this is your bank statement. Here, let me move closer. So, this is July 2023. If you want me to get more recent, >> no. Do you remember the check? >> Okay. >> Where was the check? I'm asking where. >> Yeah. >> Into an ATM >> at this address. >> Okay. >> I know you recall because your all of your bank statements don't ever show you just suddenly getting $13,000 and then spending that money, >> right? and withdrawing that money continuously from your account, right? Where did you get that check? >> I did not deposit this money though. I did not. Nor is there is there a >> Okay. >> a picture that while deposit >> is there a picture? Did somebody steal your your bank account, your debit card? Did you report it stolen? Did you? Oh, you did when? >> I'm pretty sure I got had to get on the phone with him and report it or close the account. I wasn't going to just like All right. I'm not going to waste my time or your time. >> I'm not trying to waste your time. I want to answer as truthly as I can. Like, what would you like to know? >> Where'd you get that check? >> I didn't I'm not I did not deposit the check. >> That's the story you're going to go with. So, who deposited that check into your account? And who withdrew all these funds? >> Because you know that the majority of the places that you were making transactions with your debit card at there's cameras, >> right? >> That's why I asked like if they >> and and you're the sole person on this bank account. There's nobody that you share this bank account with. >> There's nobody else on this account. No, I'm not asking you. I'm aware. I know that. >> Okay. That's why I'm asking you like when like these withdrawals, was there a picture taken or anything like that? Because I'm if I had this money, I literally just got a refund check for like $4,000. Like that's my money for for the school year. So there's $13,000 is >> like >> this is a year ago, over a year ago. Okay. >> It has nothing to do with your transactions from this year. I'm I'm saying >> you're looking at these dates. These dates are from July of 2023. >> I'm saying though, like I I never touched this amount of money in my life. Like my refund check is >> $4,000 for the semester. Every semester. >> All right. That's your story. >> I don't I don't know. I did not >> You didn't write your name on that check? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Okay. >> I can I can stand by that. >> You can stand by that. Okay, so this same account, let's go through these transactions. This same account that was fraudulently used for these withdrawals, August, right? August 2023, that's when these transactions are. >> Okay. But then the transactions stop being in Lake Worth and they suddenly start being in Slippery Rock >> where you are. >> Okay. >> So, you were down here, >> but the >> and then you went up there. So, your stuff obviously wasn't stolen. >> But I don't use All right. So, for my Apple Pay, I don't use my card. Like, I just use Apple Pay. >> Like, I don't like I don't even have a credit card. Even now, I don't carry a debit card. I use my Apple Pay and then if I need to like if someone asks for a a card number >> Mhm. >> then I just go to my Apple Pay and I use that card. Like I don't I'm pretty sure when once I cancelled the once I cancelled the um shut down the bank or whatever like that like my Apple Pay is still connected to that card. My card, my Chase card, if that makes sense. >> Yeah, but it doesn't have anything to do with this. >> So it's going to still show those charges like even if I go anywhere. I don't. >> You're not even making sense right now, dude. >> Like, I'm saying >> this is my first day. >> I just got off the flight this morning. >> Yeah, I know. I've been waiting for you >> like 6 months, bro. >> Really? >> I've been waiting for you. >> All right. Can you please >> You want to be honest with me? >> Yes. >> Okay, then let's be honest because again, this is not my first day. I'm not stupid and you're treating me like I'm stupid. So, I'm telling you now, you want to be honest, then we can keep having this conversation. But if you don't want to be honest with me, then there's no point >> because there all the evidence in the world is sitting right here showing that this is your account, showing transactions with your parents, zels back and forth, showing that you were using this account actively during this time. So, you can't tell me that you didn't know that you suddenly had $13,000 in your account and then you were suddenly withdrawing money money a,000 a,000 a,000 a,000 a,000 a,000 a,000 a,000 1,00500 you can't tell me that you didn't do that >> me I would love for you guys for you to show me not I'm not saying that you're wrong or anything I would just love for you to show me a picture of me getting those $1,000. I I I could have made our also >> prove it wasn't you >> and how can I do that? >> Prove it wasn't you. >> You tell me. >> What would you like to know? I I I made a mistake. >> Mhm. and might have allowed somebody access, a younger person access to my account, but not never did I ever go to a ATM. >> So, you're telling me that somebody else >> had access, >> a young person >> had access, >> deposited $13,000. >> When I say young, when I just mean like a little bit younger than me, like probably like 20 or something like that. Not >> probably 20 or something. I'm not saying like this is like a child or something like that. I'm saying someone >> that I know I made a bad decision had access to my account. >> All right, elaborate more. >> Explain this to me because the way you're dancing around this, I'm not going to get the full picture. And again, if you didn't do it, that's fine. Prove it to me >> because clearly you're involved, >> you know? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'm not going to shy away from like that. But like like I said, had access to to my account and but not I did not make I did not uh go try to get money out out of no ATM. Not ever, not once. I did not deposit a check. >> Okay. Who deposited the check into your account then? >> I don't have my phone. What does that have to do with anything? >> I I could show you a picture. >> You just let a random person. >> No, I >> that you don't know their name. >> Yes, I know this person. >> Deposit a check into your account. Okay, then what is their name? >> It's been a year. I don't know the person's physical >> name. >> Yeah. Do you have Instagram? >> Yeah. You don't know their name though? >> I'm so serious. >> You you >> No, I I know their I don't know. Yeah. >> Dear God. >> Yes. >> I'm a mom. >> That sounds really bad. >> Okay. I'm not this stupid. >> I'm telling you. Can you please I would >> What do you want to What do you want to find on Instagram? >> His Instagram. So I could I don't know his physical name. This is somebody that >> you trusted somebody with your bank account that you don't know their name. >> It was >> That's pretty wild. >> Desperate Desperate Times. >> What? What do you mean desperate times? What were you getting out of it? >> What would I get out of it? I was hoping >> some of that cast. >> Some of that cast that I didn't get. >> That you didn't get? No. >> Okay. So, you let Mr. 20-year-old Instagram cash a washed 13 $13,000 check with your name on it. >> Deposit into your account with my name on it. But >> how could you cash a check into your account without your name on it? >> How old are you? >> 22. >> Okay. How do you cash a check into your bank account without your name on it? >> You thought his name was on it? >> Like I said, desperate desperate times. >> Okay, listen. All right, we're going to start we're going to start fresh here, okay? When we have this conversation, me and you, cuz you're going to jail regardless, okay? You're you're being arrested today, right? You're you're sitting here in handcuffs having a conversation with me. I read you your rights. You're being arrested. So, we have this conversation and then the state attorney reviews this. When they listen to this conversation that we're having and they listen to you dancing around the truth and lying, it looks different than when you just flat out tell me what happened. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> So, we can start over now if you want to tell me the truth and tell me what happened because I know that you know what happened because you're you're inching your way there. you know, and it's fine if if you didn't steal the check from the mailbox and you didn't have whatever part you didn't have in it, but you can't sit here and look me in the eye and tell me that you had zero knowledge of this check going into your account. >> I'm not going to sit here and try to act like no. >> Okay. But >> so so give me the real. >> But I need you to just ask me like specific questions and I'll just >> You don't want to just tell me what happened. >> Yes, I'll tell you what happened. But like >> All right. From the get, how did this check come about? >> How did this check come about? I asked him I needed help. >> Who? >> I don't know his physical name. If I had my phone on me, I would take it out. I would go on Instagram. I'll show you the picture. How do you meet him? >> I we used to play football together. >> Where? >> At WBFL. >> W what? >> WBFL. West Point. >> West Point. >> Okay. So, you used to play football together for how long? >> Coming up like all through our little league. >> Oh. So, but we don't know his name. >> I mean, this is not a >> Is this Is this just like I don't want to snitch. I don't want to give you his name. >> Okay. Well, then but I know you grew up with Buddy. You know his name. >> I don't but we're not close enough for me not for me to be in this situation and not be able to release his name. >> This is not >> So what is it you came up with him? You know his name. Your last name's on your jersey for God's sake. >> No, our last name's on our jersey. Just >> But I'm I'm I'm not lying to you. If I had my phone, I would pull it out and if even if later today I could >> Do they have your phone? >> No. >> My guys? >> No. >> Where's your phone? at home when I walked out. >> What's his Instagram handle? >> Something hono. Like I >> That's not helpful. >> That's not That's why I asked to go on my phone. >> Well, we don't have your phone, right? It's at home, so that's not helpful either. >> I did find him. My Instagram's private, so you can't even go through my followers to look to click honcho. >> Who can I find? That's the only one that I know. >> You guys have no mutual friends >> that whose Instagrams that I could think of off the top of my head? No. >> All right. Honcho. >> Yeah. >> Spelled >> H O N C H O. >> That's all you know. >> Yes. I promise I would I promise. >> All right, carry on. Go on with your story. >> All right. >> Yeah. Ask for help and >> financial help. >> Okay. >> And yeah, >> you want to log into your Instagram? >> Yes, sir. >> I'm going to log out on my phone. [sighs] >> Can you loosen these for me? These are really hurting my ankles. One second. I don't have anything to loosen them, but I will ask them to once you're done logging in there. >> Okay. >> I'm sorry. >> Try a different route. Continue with your story. You ask Mr. Noame that you've known your whole life playing football with, but you don't know his name for help. Listen to how this sounds, right? It sounds insane. Okay. during desperate times. So then what happened? Yeah, come in. >> Can you loosen his um >> Yeah, no problem. >> They're not really tight or anything, but >> they don't seem very tight. >> H just like that, right? >> Yeah, you can like pull them up a little bit if they're just like sitting on the bone, but they don't really need to be looser. I mean, that's as loose as it's going to get. Go for it. >> It's not hooked anymore. >> This one's going all the way below your >> Yeah, just like if they're uncomfortable on your bone, just like pull them off. >> Appreciate you. >> Thank you. >> Yep. >> So, carry on with your >> I asked for help and yeah, he said he would be able to to help And then >> and then he said he was going to deposit a check. >> Okay. >> And I didn't have I wasn't even like I I left before like after that. >> Left where? >> Like to >> back to school. >> Yeah. So I wasn't that like when I said like when you started showing me like the the >> your transactions. >> Yeah. I'm like, I did I did not do that. >> Yeah. But look, man. >> But I I see. I understand. >> Yeah. Like like it it's not like it goes back and forth between uh Lakew Worth. >> No, I'm saying I'm saying >> slippery rock. Like it's like you're in Lakew Worth then you're buying a a plane ticket. That was on here. Spirit. You bought a plane ticket, finished up whatever you had to do in Lake Worth, deposited that check, finished up all your stuff in Lakew Worth, and then boom, you start hitting in uh Slippery Rock once you went to school. >> Yeah. So, like I said, I'm not I I did not deposit uh did not take anything from ATM. I never went to ATM to try to retrieve any money or anything like that. Um I back. >> And I hope that >> during those times that you guys like or like took a picture of the people or like I don't know during those ATM withdrawals or whatever like that. Um so yeah, >> you had knowledge that there was a forge check being >> I didn't I mean >> cash in your account. It you you're saying yourself that you didn't sign it. You >> I didn't. But you let somebody put this check in your account because you were desperate at the time. Is that Am I wrong? Is that like the gist of it? >> Okay. So, you knew about the check? >> I didn't know that he was going it was going to be a check. He just said like, "I'm going to put some money in your account." >> No, he just told me that it was a check and you knew it. >> No, like one 30 seconds ago. >> No, when I say like like Yeah. Like he's going to deposit some money into the account. And then what were you going to do with it? >> What was I going to do with it? >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I didn't didn't expect I didn't expect it for it to work. So that's why I said desperate measure. That's why when I didn't see any of the money, I didn't think any like you feel me? >> You did see the money. >> I didn't. >> You did because he didn't withdraw all of it. I'm I'm not great at math. I'm not going to lie to you. But this is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. That's $10,500. But the check was actually $13,58 that cleared in your account. >> All right. So, you think that I would let somebody deposit that much money in my account and I get only three and they get 10? >> I don't think you're telling me the truth even a little bit, dude. So, so it ain't about what I think. >> We already established that. I'm going to tell the truth here, >> right? But you don't know somebody's name who you grew up and played football with your whole life. >> I'm being so I'm being I'm not like we have a I have a lot of friends that >> that you don't know their names. >> When I say don't like I'm not When I say friends, I don't mean look, I say friends. That's not my I don't know him like that. >> You gave homeboy access to your bank account. You're going to tell me that you ain't friends? I swear I I I I'll still stand on that right now. That's I >> What was so desperate? You got like a drug addiction like like what is so desperate about desperate times, dude? >> You know, you got a home, you got a family, you're going to college. What's so desperate? >> What is so >> what what is desperate times mean? >> Like >> desperate for what? >> Desperate for like All right, so being up at school, you get like obviously like like that's not enough money for the semester, but you pay off the rent and then like after that your refund check is gone. Like after paying rent you practically have like 500 bucks for the rest of the semester. >> Mhm. >> And yeah, it was just I was desperate. I It was wrong. I've It was just the wrong thing to do. Like it was the absolute wrong thing to do. And um I've never I've literally just graduated. Just graduated. And the incident with your with Officer Weber. >> Mhm. >> He like I'm not I was in no way or form trying to invade or like run or anything like that. He called I called him and I said I will be in I will come in to the Green Acres office around 7 >> and he said he said what he said and I was yes I was home but I did not get home until like 12:00 they said that they were there at 9:00 saying that oh I was in the house and no >> none of that has to do with anything they were there to pick you up for me. Now, what it comes down to is this. I called you months ago, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And I talked to you on the phone. Yeah. >> And I said, "Hey, I'm going to get a statement from you." We could have done this on Zoom. >> Um, I'm going to get a statement from you. I'm going to call you back on FaceTime. We'll set it up. And you said, "Okay, what's this about?" And I said, "What did I say?" A check. >> Yeah. >> And then what happened? And then you didn't answer anymore. You didn't answer the phone. He didn't answer my text messages and you disappeared. How's that look? >> Guilty. >> Yeah. Guilty as hell, man. >> And then you come here and you get back in town and you're not trying to prove yourself innocent here. You're not trying to do anything, right? >> You're dancing around the truth avoiding telling me >> mystery mystery man's name who got a check and put it in your name. Why wouldn't he put it in his own? and then put it into your bank account which you were clearly using throughout the entirety of the deposit and the withdrawals you were obviously using. You have zels with your mom. You have zels with bunch of different people here and slippery rock. You have transactions at uh Wawwa's and Food and Gas Boon and Apple Cash transactions and all these different transactions. Spirit Airlines everything that's yours dude. So, so what I don't understand right now is why you can't just tell me what happened. >> I did tell you what happened. You you showed me a whole bunch of ATM withdrawals that added up to 10,000. And you're trying to conclude and say that um I have that I had that he took out 10. Okay. And I had three left, $3,000 left. That is absolutely not the truth. I did not see any of that money. And I swear to God, if I did see that, if I did see that money >> after you saw those withdrawals, >> you would see a bigger like a big purchase like uh $350 worth of shoes or like you get what I'm saying? Like you wouldn't like >> you wouldn't I wouldn't get all this money and then just >> What's uh moan one infinite loop? What? >> I don't know what that is. >> Okay. >> I I'm and I'm being so truthful right now. That's why I said like look at the transactions after like you would see some shoes, some like something expensive. You wouldn't you don't know what >> this is not enough buddy. Okay. to to to to dispel me and my belief that you did this and my proof that you did this, you are not giving me enough >> and I'm I'm asking you what I like I I name I even asked I told you I don't have my phone. If you if you if you give me my phone, I will go I will I will show you a picture. I will >> I'm going to walk out of here before I start moming you and I get really mean. So, um, >> no, no, you don't. Um, >> so what what you need is to decide whether or not you want to tell me the truth. Truth. >> If you do, then spit it out because if not, I got to go. >> I understand. >> And then you can go to the jail and we could be done. >> Look, what what I I'm not lying to you. I'm I I've never been in trouble before. I have no reason to What am I lying for? Right. >> I've never been in any type of trouble. You have my record. I've never been pulled over. I've never been. >> I understand. >> So, I have no reason to. >> And if you made a mistake, >> I did. I said that. I >> Right. But you're not telling me the truth about that mistake. >> Okay. You might have made a mistake by cashing this check into your account. >> And but now you're again dancing around the truth with where did you get this check from? >> My what's what's the name? How do you how do I say this? I gave somebody access to my account. Why would you give a stranger access to your bank account? >> Because I was in desperate need. I was in a desperate need that I couldn't go to my parents and ask for money or or at that at that certain time. Like it was desperate times for me. >> Okay. >> I wasn't just I did not just I don't just do this for fun or anything like that. Like >> I can tell you I haven't done it before that. I I'm I try to keep a straight line like I I go to school. >> Just got a little squiggly. >> I'm not uh >> $13,000 squiggly. >> I'm trying to tell you the truth. I'm not trying. >> Unfortunately, it's not the truth. >> It's not It's not enough of the truth. >> Which which part of the truth are you do you feel like you're missing that you need from me? >> All of it. >> Which part? Where'd you get the check? >> Is it a Chase check? >> Where did you get the check that I just showed you a copy of? >> He has to have got that check. It can't be me. >> Okay. So, where did he get it? >> I have no idea. >> Okay. But you don't know his name. So, where'd you meet him? >> And I can show you. >> Where'd you meet him? How did you give him access to your account? >> I met him at my house. >> How'd you give him access to your account? >> I gave him the card. >> You gave him your debit card? >> Yes. >> Did you give him your PIN number? >> Yes. >> Okay. But you don't know him. When I say I don't know him, I don't mean like >> you don't know his name. >> Like I don't Yeah, but that's that's somebody who like I've >> Hey guy I've seen before. Here's my bank card and my PIN number. Give me some money. You You hear like this? This is This is what you're telling me right now? >> And that's what it is. Okay. >> And that sounds What do you What do you think I'm smart enough to like to like do something else? Are you >> I don't think you're smart enough to to prove me wrong. That's for damn sure. >> But you just asked me. You asked me did I give him my debit card and my PIN. I said yes, I did do that. >> Mhm. >> I did. >> Okay. >> I'm not lying up to you about it. >> Okay. And then what happened? And then he said that he would the check would dep hit my account to my knowledge. >> No, it absolutely hit your account. This is the proof right here. On July 25th, 2023, $13,585 into this account number. >> All right. Then >> this is the account number. >> You know what I think? >> What do you think? I think that he deposited the money obviously it went through but he took took it out before like he took it out and did I >> over time it was taken out. Yes. So the bank statements are very clear. >> Yeah. But I did that's how I know I did not get any of that money. He did not he did not come to me and be like oh I just the ATM I just took some money out of the ATM and I put that on everything that I love. I like on everything that I love. Like I would have thought this did not clear that. Like that's what I'm thinking right now. Until you showed me the ATM withdrawals, I did not know the check cleared. When I gave him access to my account, he says, "Don't log in." Like, we can't log in at the same time. >> All right, let's start here. on July 25th of last year, >> right before that check was deposited, you had a balance of your account of $2862. Okay, >> that's how much money you had >> in your bank account, right? Check goes through. Don't look at the balances. Okay, just so that this makes more sense. Here's your transactions, right? These ones, >> these this Empire Shop Market in Green Acres, what? $2.13. This PT's liquor, maybe a vape or something, $6.80. This Buds Chicken and Seafood, Green Acres, $7.92. These seem like transactions that you make, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Your your Apple transactions, these are your transactions, right? >> So, when it says Apple transaction, does that mean you paid with Apple Pay? >> I'm not I'm not sure. I couldn't tell you. Um, culture apparel in Lantana, $37. Maybe a pair of shoes or a shirt or something. Right. So, these these are your transactions, right? >> I'm trying to remember. I don't know what gospel was that. >> I mean, this is over a year ago, so I'm not expecting you to remember every single transaction. What I'm asking you is that these these transactions here you you made >> it looks like it. Yes, because it says slipper rock sheets. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. So, what you're telling me then is that all this money sell payment from James Door. Is that >> $100? >> Your dad? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, your dad sent you $100. So, you have you have all these transactions, right? >> And then the ATM withdrawals start. Okay. So, let's look at the dates now. July 25th, you supposedly gave him your bank card. >> But that same day, you're making transactions from your account, right? >> Pretty sure, almost positive, 99.999% sure that you don't have two active debit cards in your name because the bank doesn't do that. >> So, you gave them your debit card and the same day, let me let me finish. And the same day all the way up until August 3rd, you were making transactions as we just agreed. >> But then on that same day that you made transactions with your debit card, you got withdrawals and then the next day you have more transactions and more withdrawals. So what were you doing? Were you just tossing your ATM card back and forth? >> The ATM card that I did not have that I handed to him. >> How you making all these transactions? I don't use my debit card though ever to make transactions. >> So you haven't used it since you gave it to him? >> He did. Look where do you mean use it since I gave it to him? How am I going to use it if I gave it to him? >> Why'd you have it in the first place if we don't use it? >> Like >> No, that's not what you got. >> How? Cuz look, >> I really started not using my debit card after >> CO when CO [clears throat] happened like I really didn't use my debit card. And after that, like I kept losing. I don't have a wallet. I literally keep my my ID right here >> cuz I don't have a wallet. But I don't like if there was any transactions made with the debit card after what's after this, it probably was not me most likely. But if there's other charges after that that is that says Apple Pay or something like that, it it's probably Yeah. But if all this if that if $13,000 gets deposited in my account, don't you think that my purchases would have been a little bit more? It's not about what I think and it's not about your your purchase history pattern because your your purchase history pattern clearly shows that you didn't have $13,000 in your account and then you said that he did. >> Also, my >> in desperate times >> and then my dad sent me $100. Like I clearly if if >> Oh, you can't tell your dad he deposited a fraudulent check. >> No, but look, if my dad if if I had that much money, if it was actually in my account, my dad wouldn't need to send me $100. I wouldn't ask for $100. He would like I wouldn't ask obviously. >> All right. Oh, you you have anything else you want to add? >> How can I help my case? I'm telling the truth. >> No. At this point, it's helpless because you you are literally not telling me the truth. So, do me a favor. Raise your right hand. >> Please >> raise your right hand. >> No, I can't. I I >> Do you want to swear and affirm that everything you said is the truth? Nothing but the truth to the best of your knowledge today? I want to tell you the truth and I want be I want to be on a mutual understanding on >> we are never going to be on a mutual understanding if you don't change your story to the real one >> which we we >> because literally I've been on earth a little bit longer than you and nothing you're saying makes sense and I don't have time to pull it out of you. >> I don't have time either way >> I don't have time to lie >> you're going to jail doesn't matter to me if you tell me the whole truth or not right now >> but listen to me I don't have time to lie to you. I've never been in trouble in my life. >> I know. And you're about to be. Well, you are now. >> I can't. >> You are. >> I understand that. >> You made a choice and here we are. >> I understand. But listen to me. I am trying to help my case by telling the truth. Like there's nothing there's there's there's nothing else I have left to tell you. I literally told you everything. >> Nothing is helping your case because you're not giving me the information. You're not giving me the name of whoever this mystery man is that you played football with all your life, but you don't know his name. >> I'm not taking you anywhere except for to jail. >> Or ask the deputies to go grab my phone so I can sit down here and and and show you a picture. >> What if I show you a picture >> of a of a person? No, it's not going to get >> So, what do you mean? I'm I'm I'm I'm so confused right now. Um, you asked me from the beginning. >> Okay. Have you been telling me the truth in this? Yes. >> All right. Then raise your right hand. >> Do you swear affirm that everything you said in the statement is the truth? Nothing but the truth to best your knowledge. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. That's going to conclude the statement at 5:44 on December 19th, 2024. Listen, I I I understand that you you don't want to throw away your future. I understand that you don't want to throw away your your football career or whatever you got going on and your future career on this on these charges because you made a dumb decision, but I also am not going to spend my entire Thursday evening here with you dancing around what what is what it is. Okay? So, this is not day one. I did not just start here. I have all the proof in front of me and I don't need you to tell me exactly what happened because I already have the proof. >> So, tell me. So, if you want to cooperate and tell me that you did it, >> then we can have this conversation. But if you're going to keep telling me that so and so from Instagram, from football, from blah blah blah blah blah has your bank account, has your debit card, has your this, then I'm done. >> So, which story are you going with? >> Like, before >> which one? A, B? >> I understand you're upset. >> No, I'm not upset at all. I just don't have time to waste like this. >> I'm saying I don't want to waste your time. >> So, A or B? I think that I' I've been telling you the truth, but I think that once my phone gets here, I think that I can you you'll you'll understand me more [clears throat] >> working. Truth. >> Truth. This person. Can I see? Poncho Fetty. Okay. February 2019. I want to try to go to. So, where's the conversation with you and him about this truck? >> I'm going to have to go to >> Telegram. >> Okay. Can I redownload it? >> Yeah. How'd you communicate with this guy? >> Text message. >> I mean, it wasn't through Instagram. We're going to continue to see this >> graduated literally this past weekend. Please What is telegram? July. July 31st of what year? >> July 25th. >> It was already cashed. What do you mean? >> July 25th. What does that date say? >> July 25th. This says July. July 31st. >> Where's the rest of it? >> That's the whole conversation. You see, I had to redown. >> You see, I had to redownload the app. Mhm. >> So, what you're telling me is you got scammed >> like that. I didn't want to tell you that because it like once you showed me the West name it like you made it seem like I had the money when like I didn't touch any money. >> Okay. >> So Yes. >> So you got scammed. So So you sign up for some [ __ ] to get some money? >> Yeah. >> Through a friend. >> I Yeah. >> Like I mean it's not like it just came out of nowhere. Like how did you how did it come about? >> Like that I needed money? >> No. That like that you were going to get with this guy to get some money. mean it come >> like you hit up one of your friends and you were like hey dude I'm desperate like I need to get some money and then he one of your friends was like yo I got this person who can help you like h how did you get to him for this money >> like so what he does like he'll post on his story >> you know what I'm saying and >> post what >> like who who needs money I guess >> okay >> or something like that >> and then >> yeah I got I got to ask for help. >> I know you're not giving me the full story, man. You're you're like you I I understand you're you're confessing right now. You're confessing that you were involved in it. >> Yes. >> Right. Okay. >> You asked me like how do I go about getting >> Yeah. Like how did you get to this this uh >> telegram >> this guy? >> Like I told you I know him like >> No, I know. But but how did the conversation even come up? Was it in person? >> No. Okay. So, so when you you just hit him up because he posts on social media saying like, "Yo, you need money, hit me up." >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you hit him up. >> Right. And then what did he say? >> Like what to do like like something like this. >> But but this is after >> this your first conversation with him in Telegram is July 31st. So do you have him in text somewhere? >> Instagram. >> You would have to know his name. But you see what his Instagram name is. Like, how are you supposed to know somebody's real name by that? Like, it's Honcho Fetty. Like, >> okay, but you you you've shown me no proof in here. You showed me Honcho text me or Instagram that has nothing in it about how you got there. So, this is >> February 2019. That's after the deposit, dude. Come on. >> 2019. >> Yeah. So, April, October. So, you didn't reply to a story because it would be in here. >> No, you're going back years and years in history. >> I'm also not old and I know how >> I'm not >> phones work. or anything. >> But you see, >> I I see what you're saying. >> Do you see how this doesn't make sense to me? >> Yeah. But do you see how like is it like a >> So you communicated with him in Telegram? >> Yeah. >> You communicated with him in Instagram? Did you communicate with him in text? >> I don't think so, cuz I don't see a number. >> Okay, here you go. There's a number. Okay. What if we go to your text messages to like Chase Bank? >> What do you mean? >> You know what I mean? Like you would have gotten notified >> like you type in Chase Bank, >> right? Like you would have got notified that withdrawals were made. You know, especially when you're saying that he was making these withdrawals. >> So, >> we'll go. I'm sorry. I can't see. All right, we're I'm going to scroll. That's okay. >> You don't bank with Chase. >> Okay. Like these like these automated things. >> Okay. Hold on one second. I'm trying to find the date. Here we go. August 2023. >> Look, look, look, wait. See how it says You're resetting your password. >> Yeah. >> Like that's not >> No, I I'm I'm not I'm not doubting that you kind of got screwed in your situation. Okay, there you go. July 25th. That's what I'm looking for. July 25th and fraud. January August August Chase fraud. Did you attempt $1,000 withdrawal on August 3rd ending in card 9790? Yes or no? Yes. >> You said you didn't make these ATM withdrawals. >> Yes. But >> but you literally did Did he have your phone, too? >> No, he No, he didn't. >> All right. So So you you did >> No, but he had me like say yes. Like so they went >> Did he have a gun to your head? >> No. >> Are you an adult? >> Yeah. >> You made a choice? >> Yes. >> Okay. Just clarifying here. >> Yeah. I'm not I'm not >> July 25th. That's the date of the deposits. You're signing in with a new device. Uh, zel $500. You reset your code. All right. So, you gave this guy access to your account so he could deposit the check into your account. And then you told him what? He gets a cut or like how does it how does it work? Because ain't nobody giving you some fraudulent check for free. >> For sure. Yeah. Like you said, I got scammed. Like I didn't get any money. >> Okay. So, so then >> like I got zero. >> You got zero. >> Zero. >> So he took all the money. >> Yes. >> And then you what? Reset your password and that was it. >> I closed the bank because like >> But you didn't hit him up like, "Yo, you're you're not supposed to take this money." >> I know. >> Like where's that communication? You know what I mean? Like you delete those text messages or like >> No. >> That's what I'm asking. So somebody somebody [ __ ] you over. >> Yes. >> Right. So >> I didn't >> me. I don't want to argue with that person. >> I did not. No, the he's like he's not like >> I kind of just was like instead of like contacting him and said like I'm just close I'm just going to close the account and get in the bank and like I'm not going to talk to him about it or anything like that. I'm just going to get truest now and that's it. I'm never going to do this again. Boom. I did not reach out to him and be like, "Yo, like you didn't." Obviously, he knows what he did. >> And I clearly know what he did. >> So, I didn't there's no need for me to go try to reach out and try to get my cut and be like, "Hey, like can I get some money? You promised or whatever." Like that. Was just like look like I try I went to go try to do something that I shouldn't be doing. It didn't work. So, I'm just going to leave it at that. That's literally God just telling me like don't you feel me? Like >> and then after that I did like that's why I said like all these charges and stuff like that I did not I did not go to the ATM and go try to take out anything. I like none of that. I did not get >> No, but you did approve the fraud. So you got a fraud alert from Chase August 3rd cuz clearly there was one, two, three, four transactions on the same day. brought Chase was like, "Yo, like, are you sure this is you?" And then you replied from this phone, "Yes." >> Yeah. Cuz I thought that I would like that would help the that would help it go through like >> help him finish. >> No. >> Getting whatever he was trying to get. >> Like help you know how I said like I didn't know if the check cleared or not. >> Like if I said yes, then that that the check would clear. >> Okay. >> And I didn't know the check it cleared. If it did, I would have You would have seen me send >> You would have been spending your money. >> No. Yeah. I would have zelled. >> Mhm. >> 2500 or something like that. But I did not get zero. I literally I it happened and I like couple days after I was like, "Yo, this this wasn't smart, you know, and I was like >> like you can't I didn't know. I knew what I did was wrong." >> Yeah. >> And It was just a desperate time for me. I was But once I realized that I did like I did not get in contact with him. >> I did not I just close the bank. And that's me being as truthful as possible. This is not something This is not something that I do on a consistent basis. I've never done anything like this before. Okay. So, just so we're clear and your story is straight with me, I want to just clarify. So, sometime 2023 Julyish, you're struggling for money, right? Unknown friend >> kind of friend that you grew up with. Post on social media, if you need money, hit me up. You hit him up. >> Yes. >> You don't remember what social media though, right? >> Definitely Instagram. >> I mean, unless you deleted the messages, it wasn't Instagram. >> That's >> So, you mysteriously hit him up. After that, he reaches out to you, tells you he needs your bank information. >> Correct. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Okay. Um, you just agree to give him your bank information because you know he's about to deposit some money. You don't know where he's getting this money from. No, but you know he's going to deposit some money. >> Okay. You you did no goods or services for him, right? You didn't you didn't sell him anything for him to give you money? >> No. >> Okay. So So he gave you money for it just because you asked for it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you tell him your bank information. He's trying to get into your bank, so you're allowing it because you're giving him like these authorization codes, right? That's what those text messages show me the chase. Like, here's the verification code. Yeah, I'm logging in from another device, you know, stuff like that. Okay. So, you approve all that. He puts the money in. you don't know the money's in, >> which is very odd to me considering you're a millennial or gen, whatever you are, and I'm sure you have the Chase app or had the Chase app >> and you could see that it went in. >> But regardless, >> you claim you didn't know the money was in there and then the withdrawals start about a week later, >> which is when the check cleared, >> right? Yeah. So the check clears and the money starts coming out. What contact did you have with him between the check going in and you getting that? Because that's a week later >> like from the time that he deposited the check and him >> starting to make the withdrawals cuz there's no there's no communication in telegram or Instagram >> in between like just him asking me for like the codes and stuff like that. I didn't have >> it there was not much. But where is that? He's not asking you for the codes in Telegram or in Instagram. >> I mean like we had a >> Okay, go back to that Telegram conversation. >> I'm not the best iPhone. >> It's okay. >> I'm just going to go to the beginning. Okay. What? Trying to spank for 15 on this. John, can you uh translate >> 15,000? Like >> trying to spank. Translate. >> Trying to like I'm trying to hit for 15,000. >> Trying to hit what? >> The lottery. >> What you trying to hit? >> Like like that's how much >> that's how much you wanted. You wanted 15,000. Okay. Say less. Where are you at right now? I'm running errands with my folks. The card was locked. I'm unlocking it. This is on July 31st. Have you dropped on it before? No, it's unlocked now. Let me know when you're ready. I'm going to send info list. You leave Sunday, Sunday night. Drop 10 or 15. I'm going to grab a high ball. Most likely 15 to 20 grand. Facts. Give me your full name, address, username, password, pin number, picture of your card, front and back. Let me know if you're trying to run before I cop the slip. Man, I just really got to get with the times here. >> Good times. >> Yeah, I don't speak this. I don't speak this slang. All right, there's the back of your debit card. >> Yep. >> Okay. You sent him all your information. First name, last name, address, your password, your pin number, where your man's at. I can drop off. Wellington club apartments. I'm going to leave now. Okay. Um, I have a plug with real what? >> Real. >> Real. >> What's that? >> I have no idea. >> All right. How far out are you selling? Give me his number. I'll meet him later. What happened between Okay, great. Nissan PCM phone number and everybody saw you. It's all on you now. Make [ __ ] happen. That's what you said. Say less. I got you. When it clears, you're going to be able to Apple Pay it. Fact spelled with an X. Remember that one? All right. Go to your statements. That's what you said. What's SS? >> Screenshot. >> Okay. Screenshot the account. Open date if you can. All right. Can't find it. Go to your statements. January 2024. Thought it was two years. I did too. I let you go. Blah blah blah blah blah. All right. For sure. August 1st. Yo. Um, you free today? Yeah. Okay. I was going to have you walk and deposit the slip. What are they going to ask me? Not a thing. You just walk and tell them you would like to make a deposit into your checking account and deposit through ATM. Walk is more smooth because they're going to confirm the deposit there with you and less holds and system verifications. >> As you can see, I know nothing about >> let me know when you need it. Make sure it's there to walk in more language that I don't speak. Okay. Um already know. You're good. >> Okay. In good hands. You know, to be scooped or you got wheels, let me know. I'm on wheels. Okay. Where you at? How far? This is still August 1st. Drive-thru. Bank. Close at 6. Okay. Let me know. Never mind. I'm going to have it handled. You got send me the account number ASAP. So, you send him your you send him your routing number, your account number, and wire transfer instructions. Check if you got an email, screenshot, and send. So, you checked your deposits. >> See how it's there, but it hasn't cleared. >> That's not the amount, though. >> That says 10,682. That sounds like a different check. Okay. How long you think you're going to take to clear? says show transaction on your list. No screenshot all your transactions. You're screenshotting all these zels. Okay. No email and the deposit post. I got you last deposit card. Okay. So then he sent you a picture of your card. Okay. I'm going to need the info on the card that they ask. Like, you got to be ready. Okay. So, he sent you a picture of your PNC bank card. That's not Chase. This is a different one. >> This is what I showed. It's the only time I ever did this, so >> Okay. If you're actually Trying to score, fam. I'm going to need you to be efficient. Trying not to blow you up here. You're really not not doing good here. >> You >> Why do you say that? >> You You mean I got to be more efficient with your fraud. Um she said it hasn't cleared yet. They just need to wait and see. I'm explain to you what happened. Okay. I'm about to explain to you. I need you to read carefully. Okay. So, because you were in Lahi and wasn't able to walk the slip, I paid $200 for a walker. Someone who dropped slips to drop the slip via the drive-thru because the walker explained to me that she took the slip but was asking him for his ID and stuff and was giving him a hard time. So, he drove off. I'm going to have a brand new slip for you. So, he got a new check for you and I'm going to need you to lock in tomorrow for real for real cuz I pay for the slip and it isn't [ __ ] slip. It just looked sus because the account holder didn't deposit the slip and also the walker didn't have your card. Okay. But you said, "But the bread pending." So, are they going to drop it again? The bread's pending? Yeah. I'm going to drop it in the ATM. So, he told you that. You think they're going to clear it? That means I'm going to be 20,000 in the account bill. They just told you try again. 10,000. Bet. Fax. Facts. 10,000. This is PNC. This isn't Chase. This is a whole different fraudulent transaction. This is not even the one in your Chase Bank should clear by tomorrow. So, this is a whole different check, whole different bank account. >> $10,000. PNC PNC. This isn't even what we're talking about here. This is a whole separate crime. August 4th. Okay, buddy. We're going to try again because this whole conversation that you had with Ski is about your PNC account and a $10,000 check, not a $13,000 check in your Chase account. So, all you really just did is tell me that you did this twice. tried >> tried to do this twice. >> But you did succeed in this one. >> Did >> you just didn't get to keep the money, so you don't see it as a success, right? >> I didn't succeed in in neither of them. >> Okay. >> Honestly, >> like this is me just just trying to >> All right. Do you still have the Chase account or your Chase app? >> You can't get into it. >> All right. Can we go to your pictures? >> My >> like screenshots of Chase. Like you probably sent whoever screenshots, right, when you were doing this because you obviously sent this guy's screen. I don't want to go through your photos because I don't want to see what's in your photos. But what I'm saying is you probably have screenshots from when you were communicating with whoever was doing this for you. >> So, can we go to your photos from this date? from July 25th, 2023. >> July >> sitting down. >> I wonder if you can just search. I think you can >> like the date. >> Yeah, why not? >> July what? >> 2023. >> Turn sideways. I'll close my eyes if there's private things in there. I just want to see screenshots. >> Those look like screenshots to me. I'm pretty not blind. >> Can I just delete one thing before? >> You actually can't delete anything. >> Okay, that's fine. >> Okay. I don't need to look at everything. >> Yeah, I'm not. >> Um I I really don't care what you do with your own time. Um I just want the Chase information. Chase Bank. >> So this looks like a bank. So I'm going to click on that. 249. This looks like Chase Bank to me, right? July 21st, 2023. I'm going to scroll this way. >> Okay. You bought your spirit ticket. >> Okay. Secure booking. >> You know, with every scroll, I get kind of nervous. >> Me, too. >> Okay. Um, you might have deleted. This looks like Chase. You had6. Look at that. You took a screenshot of your balance at $13,00059. >> Look, look at the available balance. Like it's >> right. So, but what I'm saying is you knew when this this check got put in your account. >> Like I mean I knew Yeah. But like >> you took this screenshot on July 26th, which is the day after it was deposited. So, the day after it's deposited, you took a screenshot of your account balance, even though it wasn't available yet, your account balance that was on hold >> for $13,000 through [clears throat] $13,585. >> And then it wouldn't be available until August 3rd. And then suddenly on August 3rd, withdraw, withdraw, withdraw, withdraw, withdraw. >> And I'm telling you, >> this amount of money right here, I did not see a dime. Like zero. Whether you saw a dime or not, >> I'm I know. >> Okay. Phone stays with me. >> I know I'm not [ __ ] Like, there's no [clears throat] question. I wasn't trying >> I'm not going into your pictures anymore. >> Yeah. >> I have zero interest in your pictures. >> Okay. >> I wasn't I'm not I wanted to show you so I can prove to you that I'm not a liar and that I'm being truthful with you and I'm not trying to deceive you in any way. >> The truth is this. You took the money. You just didn't get to keep it. You allowed it to fraudulently get put into your account because I'm pretty sure that you didn't think this guy was just going to pull money from thin air. I mean, I'm not I'm not your age and I don't speak the slang, but I can speak the slang enough to know that the conversations you were having with him, you knew that it wasn't his money. He was saying to you that he's going to drop it and the slip and the walker is going to walk it in and this is how you got to do it. Basically, this is how you commit this crime. Let me help you. Was the conversation that you were having with this guy? >> Right. So, you agreed to be an accomplice to this crime at a minimum. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Right. And then the money came into your account and you just don't want to go down for it because you didn't get to spend it. I'm not saying no. I will take full responsibility for my part. And I know that what I did was wrong. I'm not going to sit up here and try to like make it seem like I had no part because I obviously did. It's count. It's my I I did that, >> right? >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think that's I just wanted to be truthful with you. I did not want to. >> Okay. >> Cuz >> the truth goes a long way, like I said. So, um you're still going to go to jail. you are being arrested for uttering a forge document or uttering a forge check and grand theft 10 to $20,000. Those are felonies. Um, you are being charged. That doesn't mean you're being convicted. I have nothing to do with whether or not you get convicted. So, you will go to jail tonight as soon as they get the paperwork done, which should be pretty quick. uh you'll get taken over there and then um again you have the right to an attorney, you know, whatever it is that you need to do. Your phone is evidence, so you don't get your phone. >> Can I make a call? >> Uh you'll get to make a call when you get to the jail. And if you're cooperative, they may let you call like mom or something on your way. >> I have a sergeant who is my coach. >> And I would love for him to just be aware of this. What do you mean a sergeant? >> Like that's my coach. >> Coach for what? >> Football. >> Sergeant with what? >> Um Dadino. >> Captain Dardino. >> Captain. >> Okay. What about him? >> I I I would just like to call him and explain to him what I'm in. Like that's all I'm asking for. >> Okay. You can call him from the jail. >> [snorts] >> I'll get it done as fast as I can. Okay. He was found guilty for organized scheme to defraud less than $20,000 and was sentenced to 36 months probation.