you're telling them you don't know your
Social Security hold on why do you keep
interrupting that means you're lying
stop on May 27th
2023 officers were dispatched to a bank
in response to a man attempting to
commit
fraud hi hi I'm going to need you to
wait a minute why say because uh take
your hand out your pocket for
me just wait a minute
because we had a call what's it saying
that uh you were trying to do some
transactions and weren't using proper
information how wasn't I using proper
information well we're going to figure
this
out here I don't have nothing in my
pocket well I don't I don't want you to
reach for anything it's fine all right
you don't have any weapons or anything
on you I don't have no weapons I don't
I'm going to I'm just going to patch you
down and make sure okay can
you put your hands on top of your head
for me interlace your fingers
yep thank
you br your feet for me
y all right thank
you all right so what's your
name she has don't don't reach for
anything don't reach for anything I'm
just getting my wallet you don't you
well when well look I'm s look when an
officer tells you not to reach for
something you don't reach in your
pockets okay yeah I'm I'm pretty
simple like B I just it's natural when
you ask me for something to give you my
idea well when when you are told not to
reach for something you don't reach okay
I'm sorry
my so what's your name David
C dve David w c d r u b as as yes what's
your social
guys got all clust man can I
write down am I allow to do that can I
write down can you just tell me yeah
it's easier for me to write it down so
just tell me what it
is
um can I please WR I I have dyslexia and
it's hard for me to put numbers in what
that's it it's all I want to do is just
so I can write it down and and it'll be
much easier for me to just tell me what
it is I can't record can I sit down like
my back is hurting please yeah sit down
make
it um what's your
birthday what's your
birthday 73158
man all right what's the social I'm
trying to think him where do we live I
live in California
you live in California yes
yes
242 West Fair
Drive in California yes sir that's weird
cuz you just gave that address that's on
your ID from
Colorado oh so you got caught you lied
okay no listen to me okay because
everybody you gave these cashier checks
to have been going to other branches to
cash them okay okay did I gave them to
yes so look they spoke to this actual
David I spoke to him he's in Colorado he
didn't authorize any of this nobody
spoke with me so you need to tell us who
you are okay nobody spoke to me you need
to tell us who you are okay I'm I'm cuz
listen it's kind of weird that you know
you say you live in California but you
give your address that's on your color I
have several I have several houses with
the exact same address no but I said I
said California it's Colorado so what's
your address in California cuz I'm going
to verify it I'm going to call that
Police Department tell me what city what
city yeah what city it's Springfield but
Springfield California it's what's the
address I I don't so you just own houses
that you don't know the address of it's
an Airbnb actually and so you rent an
Airbnb H yes okay so what is the address
I can I I can look stuff up for you be
address I don't know the stuff because
I'm going to call the owner of that
Airbnb it's fine I but I where's your
cell phone my cell phone's in my pocket
pull your cell phone
out open your Airbnb
account so you don't actually live in
California though no I live in Colorado
so why would you give the address for
Colorado in California when you know
it's an Airbnb because I you guys have
me flustered sir have you flustered
because you're stealing somebody money
no you have me Fuster do you think banks
are
done I would hope not cuz my money's in
there or somebody else's money that
you're taking I would hope they not done
you how'd you get here
today I got a ride got dropped off so
where are you staying in akan um I'm not
staying in akan where are you staying in
Ohio why are you in Ohio cuz I just came
to Ohio to uh visit
my sister where's your sister with over
in Avon in Avon so what are you doing in
akan why would you come to the US Bank
in akan there's there's US Banks all
over the country there is US Banks all
all over so why did you choose Aon
because this is where he he was driving
and this is where I so you decided to
come almost an hour to go to the bank no
not necessarily it's not I didn't come
here just to go to the the bank so who
drove you here um I don't I don't know
who so you randomly got in the car with
a guy no no
it's it's not a random guy either it's
what's his name
John I I don't remember his last name
okay so a random guy that you don't know
because I know all my friends last names
especially when I get in a car with them
good and you came an hour to go to the
bank no we came in hour to go shopping
where where are you going shopping all
over the place we we went to a few
different places please tell me where
you're shopping and
after
um just we went to this was like a
little thft store over down the way but
I I I wasn't driving sir I don't know
where are your bags what do you mean
where are my bags the that you
bought and and I left it in the car they
Dro me off they dropped me off where did
he go I don't I don't know he's probably
waiting for me what kind of car does he
dve a Nissan Nissan what
all okay well there's no cars in the
parking lot other than our police car he
was over there
sir what's your sister's
name Jenny Jenny what's her last name
dubas same as yours yes what's your
phone number I my phone's dead if I had
it I would give you all that I just
tried turn on so if I call the col if I
call the Littleton Colorado Police
Department and I have them drive out to
this
address there's not going to be another
mail with this exact same ID and same
name is there not sure would hope
not I would definitely hope
not I mean CU if there was somebody
there with my ID then that there so let
me ask you this why did you pull out a
bunch of cashier checks and cash and
stuff yesterday and then come out try to
pull out a bunch of cash today you have
bank cards I didn't pull out a bun do
you have bank cards have my other bank
right here okay so why are you
continually coming my other bank cuz
this bank's not around here okay so you
come to US Bank from Avon you come down
to Akon to US Bank okay you don't choose
the US Bank downtown you don't choose
the US Bank anywhere else hang on a
second okay we ask you for your address
you give us this address but say it's in
California and this is a Colorado ID
then you proceed to tell me you have
multiple houses so I tell you to tell me
the address in California hold on I'm
not done yet so I can look that up and
have the police department in that town
in California which is Springfield
that's all you told me cuz weird
Springfield's 250 ft Down the Road
Springfield Ohio and then you proceed to
tell me it's an Airbnb I tell you to
pull your phone out to show me the
Airbnb account so I can confirm that
conveniently your phone's
dead you pull a bunch of cashier checks
the other day your cashier checks end up
with people with California IDs being
cashed at different US Banks you know
all these Banks Banks talk
correct US Bank talks to a male who in
Colorado with this same name that says
no that is my bank account no I am not
doing
this okay
and how am I supposed to I lost an ID
about I don't I don't know a year or two
ago too so they possibly could have my
ID I don't I don't understand and a
grown male who doesn't know his social
so you lost the 9 how long ago at Le a
couple years ago or so was it cuz this
was issued on 125 of 19 when you get
when you get issued a new years ago a
couple years ago would be two years ago
so
21 a couple I it was a while ago I don't
I don't know like the exact date I don't
see how your story is making absolutely
no
sense did you say he does know social
yes so he's lying I if I asked her if I
could write my social down she won't let
me well you got to remember it by um do
you have any do you have any other forms
of ID in your wallet uh I have my bank
card let me see those do you have any
Healthcare
cards if you don't know your Social
Security you're lying hold on look at me
look at me I've been doing this 27 years
every hold on every adult male I've ever
talked to that said they don't know
other social security number is lying
that's my history that's hold on that's
a known fact so if you're telling them
you don't know your Social Security hold
on why do you keep interrupting that
means you're lying stop color that's not
a Colorado zip or uh social security
number let's try again here's the other
weird thing hold on here's the other
weird thing you were in this Bank
yesterday that's an Ohio's social so
you're you're staying in Avon and you
guys decided to come all the way down
from Avon where there's multiple
shopping places up there in Cleveland
everywhere you guys decided akan Ohio
was the place you were going to C an
hour I I I don't know to a thrift store
no that was one of the places we we went
to but now he's got a friend here I
thought you guys came here to shop we
did he has we visits we came twice we
came we're here we actually this is the
third time we were
here if you're shopping why are your
hands so dirty huh I don't know I mean
why my hands are dirty yeah what did you
pull cashier checks for yesterday 14 uh
to pay a contractor to pay a contractor
what were you pay a contractor for
negative expired
driver do come
back from
col US Bank is a
Branch but you are specifically choosing
this
Branch
um not necessarily just BR but you were
here yesterday right that's the this is
the part I don't understand you were
here yesterday you pulled a bunch of
cashier checks okay what contracting
company are you using cuz I'm going to
call them uh if I have my number I'd
give you their phone number so you have
no idea the name of the contract
that you're giving thousands of dollars
to his name is Roger so some random man
no he does he travels all around I'm not
showing anything out of Colorado he
travels all around the country and does
different houses go ahead just
residential houses a4y old male 6 170
Brown and
Brown there Hudson there's thank you
aora there are any number of US banks
that are way closer well I can tell you
David he's a 64y old male who's 6' 170
lb do me a favor stand up put your hands
behind your back stand up and put your
stand up put your you're not 6 foot huh
I'm
5'7 what's that have to do with anything
mean you're lying as usual like I told
you so why don't you stop your thing and
tell us your real name and ID so tell us
who you really are cuz we don't really
care we just want to do our job tell us
who you really are we're just going to
send you as a John Doe and that'll be a
lot worse for
you what you have to do okay we
will you'll stay all weekend and
Monday's a holiday so you won't get out
till
Tuesday if you got stupid ass warrants
you're worried about our jail won't take
you spread your
legs you think we're dumb dude who's Joe
pasel this a social another what for
another
bank dude's committing fraud all over
the place what' you think we weren't
going to figure it
out no you guys aren't done exactly so
tell us who you are
you have my real name what's your real
name you have my real name tell us what
your name is you have my that is not
your name my name because you are not 64
years old and you're not 6 foot 170
lb I don't what's my ID tell you I
am all right let's go well you never had
a Colorado ID either you and I are going
to go sit
out fre so he's got like pay all these
people pay like thousands and thousands
of
dollars thousands of dollars I don't
know what kind of fraud he's he's doing
he's got bank account numbers all over
the place checking account numbers all
over the
place dude he's doing a fraud he's doing
a good one too see all right
hang on I'll put your condom and your
money back in your pocket but you can't
have your
ligher I kick
Fe no drugs on you right no
okay all right I need you to listen to
me okay first off I want to know what
your real name
is stop with the you have my ID just
tell me what your name
is can you Lo the Cuffs up a littleit I
can in a minute yes I will will do that
I want you to tell me what your name
is I told you you have my name and
everything I don't I have nothing in my
hands other than my calendar okay I want
you to tell me what your name is you you
have my name in there I'm asking you if
you do not tell us we can charge you
with failure to disclose you going to
charge me with everything anyway sir
well we can't at this point cuz you lied
to us to it's it's a me you I never had
good experience with police to begin
with so then why do you lie to us
I I use you want to I never do I so list
hang on hang on hang on nameless man the
only nameless man in the history of time
you have the right to remain silent
anything you say can will be used
against you in a court of law you have
the right to talk to a lawyer and have
him or her present with you while you
are being question if you cannot afford
to hire a lawyer one will be appointed
to represent you before any question if
you wish you can decide at any time to
exercise these rights and not answer any
questions and make any statements do you
understand each of those rights Mr
nameless person yes okay so you want to
tell me why you're in here with drawing
money out of an account that's not yours
and then giving cashier checks out to
people no I don't want you to say
anything sir you don't want to say
anything I I I already told you this
this situation I I get I get pushed to
do this who pushes you to do it um I
don't know how to explain that well try
I I don't know um nobody can understand
unless you explain it to
us no
all right turn around that way I'm going
to double cuff you you're a big boy Mr
namess can you please yes I'm going to
hang
on I just said I was going to double cff
you all right hang out okay you want the
windows
down yeah please all right so those were
the amounts for each cashier check oh
you need each check I just did a total
yeah do the total and then on another
one can you do each check for me let me
get a big piece of
hey they got like 31,000 bucks she's
cleaning it up so it's easier to read
identity she said do identity fraud and
Miss okay and can can he do the felony
theft of $31,000
she I told you you got your I would do
the felony theft I'd run it by the pla
putting the
Basset I know it's hot but I mean we got
what we got here okay do you remember
how I regim Moran
yeah what's your cut out of all this how
much do you
get I don't get I I get drugs you get
drugs that's what I need what's your
drug of choice I do dope heroin heroin
okay so you steal all this money for
heroin how much heroin do you get no Len
it's it's a bad situation I know are you
getting a lot of heroin no I don't just
enough to get you high they keep me like
that do that's how they for
me yeah I got you okay
look we need to be able to verify who
you are or Jail's going to suck for you
okay if you have warrants it is what it
is you're being charged today listen
hear me out for a second okay before you
talk okay you're being charged today
okay you're getting a couple fourth uh
degree felonies
okay if you have warrants we're not
we're we're beyond that we're not
worried about that okay if you have
warrants out of some account County that
you're worried about you're you're going
to Sumit County so it it's if I have War
Texas or Pennsylvania for doing the same
thing I said if I do I got what would
they what would they be
for just dumb well one is drugs
drugs well you ain't going they ain't
coming to get you for drugs
man like no tell me what your real name
is it's a
Joseph spell the last name
the man was charged with misrepresenting
identity identity fraud and theft if you
were the judge in his case what sentence
would you impose on him furthermore if
the people who orchestrated the scheme
were caught what would be your sentence
for them also what are your thoughts on
what the man's cut was out of this
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