okay guys i found another new-based
sovereign citizen in the uk his channel
is called josh miles and from his own
page he's into self-discovery
which is fine until you watch his very
first video then you will see that the
only thing he has discovered is how to
parrot the sausage script
he gets stopped by the police for
driving without due care and attention
and he uses this opportunity to try out
that script of magic spells and
incantations on three different cops
for the first time or at least the first
time on video on this channel
and it shows in the repetition of buzz
words like i do not consent legislation
isn't law we are pleased by consent
you get the idea
let's get into the video
okay guys we've just been pulled over by
can i get your badge number please sir
okay
please
thank you yeah budget numbers right
there buddy two one four five three
thank you and your name please you don't
need my name you got my badge number
okay you can ring up one-on-one and then
confirm my identity okay are you
refusing to give me your driving license
or confirm your identity at this moment
um well no crime has been committed so
don't need a crime mate you've you're
the manner of your driving has caused me
to pull you over why i don't okay what
what for what though okay so the traffic
lights back him
by caspian pizza right in the right hand
lane i was in the left in a marked
vehicle you've deliberately overtaken me
cut in front
no you were in the left-hand lane even
indicate left hand is straight over
sorry what are you talking which part
you were in the left-hand lane up next
to you yes you were in the left-hand
lane so you actually came in front over
into my lane nope you were stuck you
were parked next to me mate at the
traffic lights on red
yeah i didn't jump a red light or
anything did i say you did tonight so
what crime has been committed sir i've
pulled you over because i need to
ascertain who you are why because
there's been a move in vehicle offence
committed by the manner of your driving
you've clearly been doing faster than
the speed limit here otherwise you
wouldn't have had to break for the speed
camera there it's just precaution well
how do i know that
well i wasn't going over it
again have you got anything on you to
help confirm your identity to me
to confirm that you are okay well am i
am i obliged to drive this vehicle yes
am i obliged to what crime and if i
don't think you're insured i'll be safe
i don't consent i don't consent say that
again i don't consent you don't have to
consent it's a legal requirement okay
well i don't know if your documents if
you're refusing i'll you'll be arrested
as simple as that i don't consent to be
interested
yeah you're not supposed to consent it
would kind of defeat the object of being
arrested if you could just say i do not
consent
that's fine
listen so you so listen right you're
free i'm not confirming your identity
you're under arrest and you'll be coming
to okay well you're breaking you're
breaking the law how's that then okay
so
please okay listen i don't know listen
no what you'll get i'm gonna sue you for
this for what no crime has been
committed you're refusing i'm not
refusing to do anything am i i
listen to me am i
obliged under law to consent to to give
my details to you if i haven't committed
a crime yes or no yes you are for
identification okay under what law
road traffic offense what's in the fence
traffic act so what have i done wrong at
the moment you're saying because i've
just broken
in front of that speed camera if you're
driving what manner of driving times i'm
not going to go through it again manner
of driving i i don't consent to any of
that
i'm not interested
get this idiot off the road he's a
danger to society if he thinks he can
drive around unsafely without any
consequences
okay well you okay you've opened the
door
you're now coming into my property
you're not allowed to touch your mind
okay well you've touched me already yeah
and i've got that on film okay and i
don't consent to that
whether or not you consent to it's
irrelevant okay if you're refusing to
give me your identification there's
nothing about refusal am i obliged to
yes you are under what law underwater
okay i need to ascertain you're the
person that's insured to drive this
vehicle if you're refusing that i'll
seize the vic when you'll be arrested
okay simple
but what crime has been committed
i'm asking you for your insurance
details okay am i am i obliged to give
them to you yes you are you believe that
do you absolutely okay well i'm telling
you you're in the wrong and i suggest
you ring your manager and ask them
his manager or supervisor would tell you
the same thing as his constable it's
absurd to think the constable supervisor
would send him out on a shift if he
didn't know the basics
but if he did he would tell you that
section 164 of the road traffic act
gives constables the power to require
production of a driver's license of a
person driving a motor vehicle on a road
and 165 gives them the power to obtain
evidence of insurance
how long have you been a police officer
long enough thank you very much okay
well i'm telling you that i do not
consent to any
check anything are you coming into my
door i don't consent to that
i don't really care i don't consent to
giving you my details at all it's an
arrestable offence mate come on what is
it are you sure okay but no crime has
been committed doesn't matter for crimes
it does because i'm not obliged to give
you my details it's getting seriously
boring yeah it's getting seriously
boring details otherwise you'll be
coming in won't you
under i on i'm under what law am i under
what law am i obliged to give you my
details constable
a road traffic act road traffic tax is
it law is road traffic law
is road traffic tax law yes it is yeah
under what law it's the road traffic act
okay well i'm telling you it's a
legislation and i don't consent under
common law
okay well we can argue that fact okay
well listen listen you're not you're not
you're not
i'm telling you you're breaking the law
right now
oh really and what law would that be
then because any offence you bring up
would be covered by a statute which you
say isn't law
i'll get a van down to premier in please
chaps refusing to give any details at
all not refusing to custody for
identification i'm not refusing at all
i'm asking you politely am i obliged to
give you my details because i've not
committed a crime
you do realize i know you're not
actually speaking to anyone
oh you'll find out what it is that's
fine sir i do not i do not consent i do
not understand i do not consent under
common law
and what you're doing right now is
completely illegal
and i will be taking this further
i will you carry on
am i under arrest sir
okay i might be entertained yep under
what law
i don't need a law to detain you mate
okay well i'm telling you you do okay
oh i wish the cop hadn't said that
he's even triggered or not thinking
straight because he is wrong obviously
he does need a law to stop and detain
him otherwise it would be well free for
all but at the same time the driver is
wrong about his beliefs that legislation
isn't law because well legislation is
law or a set of laws that have been
passed by parliament
the word is also used to describe the
act of making a new law
am i free to go sir why am i not free to
go
you can't be bothered to listen okay
listen under what law am i obliged to
give you my details and no crime has
been committed at this point it's merely
suspicion and i do not consent to any of
that
road traffic act is simply an act it's
not it's just legislation it's not law
and what you're doing right now you're
hindering me from my life okay and my
time
and that's against the law in itself
oh really so what is this magical law
that says traffic stops are a hindrance
or is it just that magical law that only
exists in your head
i won't hold my breath waiting for it
so we can play your game
and stand here all night waiting for
some imaginary van or we can just you
can get on with your day
or your night
and go on to more important things than
stopping an innocent member of the
public
because that's all i am
you're out of your jurisdiction doing
what you're doing right now
do you understand that
refusing to answer my questions right
here
i suppose there's a lot against that too
in this alternate reality you seem to
have invented for yourself
can you please identify yourself for the
camera once again please i already have
done mike okay and your name please your
name please
okay i would like to know your name
please i would like to know yours but
here we go okay but am i obliged to give
you my name i'm not obliged to give you
mine are you sure
you're a public servant you are
detaining me
unlawfully and you're refusing to
identify yourself so i suggest i so i
suggest you call another boat that's all
you need a column number
so let's let's get this straight right
now first of all you were starting to
drag me out of the car right what point
did i try and drag you up uh when you
grabbed my arm which i have on film and
now you're standing there like a wally
acting uh thinking you're a big man okay
you are not
you are absolutely in the wrong and i'm
going to take this further and i'm going
to sue you for acting unlawfully right
now do you understand that
do you understand
do you understand that
i have committed no crime
i've not broken the law
and you have detained me unlawfully and
you've grabbed my arm
to try and drag me out of my car to
arrest me and you're you're threatening
to offense to to
arrest me for no crime committed i'm
telling you that's what's gonna happen
okay so why is it not happened already
cause i'm waiting for a fan are you why
can't you do it yourself
well i can't do it if i want to but i'm
waiting for a van because you're being
obstructive i don't want to leave i'm
being abstracted
so there he goes straight to
emasculation
that seems to be the softset go to these
days it happened in the oregon video a
few months ago when the cop called for
backup which is standard practice for
any police force when they encounter
someone being non-cooperative
they wait for backup and discuss how
best to deal with the situation and then
act on it it's for the safety of both
the police officer and you
he knows the constable is waiting for
backup and he's confident that he won't
act until his colleagues arrive so
emasculates him
that says a lot about someone in my
opinion
that's not my problem that's not your
problem i know it's not my problem you
are acting unlawfully and
and i suggest
you get back in your little car
and you
keep driving around and maybe this time
stop harassing
innocent members of the public because i
feel harassed right now good
yeah
you think that's good
okay so this is where the second officer
arrives and he starts with this script
again
good evening constable how are you doing
good so my colleagues inform me can i
just sorry before i
talk to you can i just get your badge
number and your name please
okay on your name
okay thank you okay
are you under your oath today
okay i'm a warranted police officer so
yes a warranted police officer what does
that mean sir right
first of all i need to discuss with you
my colleagues explained to me
okay
your manner of driving has given him
cause okay to stop you you've stopped
norfolk which i thank you for thank you
yeah
now with that
he's asked a few details
absolutely yeah that's fine traffic ads
you'll know from your highway code you
are required to present your driving
license to a consummate uniform when
asked to do so okay but have i complete
have i committed a crime today sir you
well your manner of driving would
suggest that you're driving without you
care and attention okay and what what
part of my driving what part of my
what part of my driving was uh
suspicious or reckless or anything like
that okay
all that was required to have a
conversation about it okay and to do so
well i'm not obliged to have a
conversation about it because i've not
committed a crime well yes you are what
crime have i committed sir
you suspected of committing a crime
is that a crime yes under what law under
what law
that's not a law sir
absolutely it's a legislation but is
that law
yes it is law the road traffic act
section 3za careless driving is an act
of law and it states if a person drives
a mechanically propelled vehicle on a
road or the public place without due
care and attention or without reasonable
consideration for other persons using
the road or place he is guilty of an
offence
not that he needed that reason to stop
your vehicle section 163 gives police
the power to stop any person driving a
motor vehicle on the road
the point is if you don't provide your
driving life then you can be arrested
for it under what law the road
trafficking okay but what crime has been
committed not presenting driving license
to constable when required to do so okay
but am i obliged to yes under law no i'm
not yes you are well i suggest you
contact your managers because i'm not
gonna contact your manager okay i know
where i spend if you don't give us your
driving license okay
under what law okay
you'll be arrested under police
incredible act for offences under the
road traffic okay but what have i done
to do that well you're not presenting
your driving licence that is that a law
yes is it yes well i suggest you check
your factor because i'm telling you i'm
not obliged
i'm not obliged to give you any details
because i have not
committed any crime
in the car door no i'm not obliged to
i'm not obliged to sirs
he's obviously been watching too many
american auditor or soft seat videos
because there a cop does need probable
cause to even stop your car
so i can understand the confusion
but soft seats always seem to make that
mistake and mix up american and english
law
right sir i i've got your numbers and
i'm telling you you're acting unlawfully
and against your jurisdiction and i will
be taking this further and suing both of
you now
okay for breaking the law quite
literally okay that's absolutely fine
you're acting unlawfully i i'm an
innocent member of the public i'm the
innocent member of the public i've done
no crime i've committed i've broken no
law
you need to give us your details under
what am i obliged to give you my details
why
okay
the manner of driving as i say
what manner of driving
what what manner of driving okay
your colleague has said
that because i broke slightly
in front of that camera down there that
i must have been speeding and therefore
he's pulled me over and that's his
that's his reasoning however i was doing
30 and i simply tapped my foot on the
brake just to be cautiously regardless
of that now you are committing a fence
but i'm not providing you with details
it's not an offense sir it's not an
offense sir no it's not
no it's not
we can stand here and argue all day and
i i do not care i'm not consenting to
any of this i do not understand i do not
understand you i do not consent and i
um explain to you then what you don't
understand
no please don't encourage him it's bad
enough having to listen to this nonsense
just once during a traffic stop uh this
is when i wish more uk police were more
like their u.s counterparts
i don't understand anything you were
talking about
well i've explained it because you're
talking in legalese and i don't know i
do not consent to that
because you asked me to quote no
legalese yeah exactly no that's that's
legal right that's jurisdiction that's
that's legislation and i do not consent
to that
to give me your driving license as
you're required to do so as a driver on
a public road and okay please define
your definitions of driver
well if you're driving a vehicle you're
a driver okay and define the define
driver and define vehicle please
well you are a police officer and
allegedly you know the law okay ask me
not to speak in eagles now you're asking
me to speak
okay what would you prefer
he would prefer not to answer that
question because well he painted himself
into a bit of a corner there
no he'll just go straight back to his
script where he feels nice and secure
and protected
i would like you to act on your own
and to
respect common law and uphold your oath
and common law
and to not
harass
you're going to force entry oh okay
well i don't consent to any forced entry
sir okay
yeah duh of course you wouldn't consent
that's a given but i know you think you
need to verbalize it for that hilarious
lawsuit you're planning
okay well don't make us do it then don't
make you do it so are you threatening me
are you threatening me sir with violence
are you sure about that
am i obliged to open the vehicle yes am
i under what law
okay listen to me i'm listening to you
yes but is any of it going in
uh the answer to that question is a big
no
can you give me a driver license
am i obliged to give you a driving
license under what law
we've already gone through this you're
asking the same question under what law
am i obliged to give you my driving
license
you are obliged to
am i
okay am i
how long have you been a police officer
sir
i'm not gonna answer the question
because
well do you know the law sir do you know
the law
do you know the law sir yes yeah and and
then if you know the law what
am i how do you unders not understand
that i'm not obliged to give you my
details well no this is the issue okay i
do know the law i'm not refusing to give
you my details okay
i'm simply just asking you a question am
i obliged then please give me your
details well i am not obliged to give
you my details sir
i'm not i'm asking you am i obliged am i
obliged
under what law under what law
i've already gone through this with you
have you yes
okay well i don't understand and i do
not consent you don't need to consent
i do because we are under
is police by consent is it not
yeah i'm not going to go over this
freedom of information released
government document defining the
definition of policing by consent
which was published way back in 2012 but
i will just say pleased by consent
obviously doesn't mean you need consent
for the law to apply to you if you
believe that then you're dumb you are
really done
okay but there's also
statutory law that you need to abide
statutory law and who does that apply to
human beings or corporate entities
right
yeah come on please answer the question
sir
why are you not going to answer the
question you're making this much more
difficult no you are much making this
much more difficult by detaining an
innocent member of the public who has no
have i committed a crime today sir
please answer my question sir have i
committed a crime
okay
can you explain to me what your
objection is then
please stop encouraging him he doesn't
have an objection that is in any way
valid he just has misconceptions of law
which you are enabling unfortunately
my objection is i don't consent to being
harassed
unnecessarily by the police who have no
jurisdiction
well in harassing me
and we've gone through this already
so why don't you consent
i've broken no law today sir and i do
not wish to be harassed any longer by
you
right i've explained already
the law that applies what law replies
sir okay what law applies
that is that a law yes is it yes are you
sure yeah okay so is a parliamentary
legislation law
yeah
are you sure yes okay well you're well
you're now giving
you're now technically lying because
it's not yes it is it's not sir
there's a difference between admiralty
law common law corporate law it's all
the same and i'm i am a human being are
you talking to a corporate entity right
now or are you talking to a human being
i can tell you exactly who he's talking
to he's talking to an abject who
is just about at the peak of
dunning-kruger's mount stupid
but not before constable number three
turns up to try to reason with him
so let's see if it's third time look it
or whether he hits the peak instead
place your bets
okay let's have a conversation then like
can you just identify yourself please
bad number in name
please repeat that i was talking over
here two one six eight six andrews west
mercy please okay thank you thank you
you know you you identified yourself
better than your colleague there because
he didn't even give his name not you by
the way
and that's against
a driver what's your definition of
driver please if you listen to me i will
listen to you absolutely please as a
driver you're obliged to give us your
details when you're driving okay okay
and please define please define
driver and driving i'm not going to do
that driver is the driver of a
mechanically propelled vehicle okay
please define please define vehicle
please define driver
are you calling me mate okay circling
stuff's going on at the moment okay then
please details you can be on your way
can i yes and am i okay listen listen
you can continue your journey home and
get i love wherever you need to go
so in order to avoid those tickets all
you need to do is hand over his license
and insurance because like she said
there they are clearly busy and have a
lot of stuff going on and they do not
need to be wasting their time with this
idiot however this will determine how
this stop ends
i'll just say i love this because first
guy comes he talks to me goes second guy
comes to me go so yeah you're going to
come and talk to me and guess what
you're going to go yeah you're just
going to go in circles because you have
absolutely no jurisdiction in pulling me
over and asking me for my details
do you know what legislation and law
means jurisdiction is the area in which
you police so we're all west mercy
officers we do have jurisdiction over
this area which is why we're working
you're a corporation you're a
corporation right you enforce
legislation and jurisdiction and
policies you're you're police
you're a police officer you're a policy
officer that's what you are you offer
you enforce policies
and you think it's law
is there a reason you're not providing
us with your data am i obliged to give
you my details am i under what law
under what law
that's is that a law yes madam yes and
okay well i'm telling you legislation i
am telling you listen to me legislation
is not law
law is land air water governed by common
law okay and that's the law i stand
under not your corporate law
do you understand
do you understand that all we need to do
is determine your details and then why
do you need to obtain my details as a
driver we need to make sure that you
driving this vehicle and your insurance
all adds up it's just a tick box and
then you can be on your way okay so if
you run my number plate you've got my
name right
might not necessarily be you mightn't it
okay the person that owns
of the car okay registered keeper i'm
not an owner of the car i'm not even the
owner of the car
the dvla owns my car
don't we do we yes as police we do do we
and my colleague has tried to check that
you haven't provided your details okay
well no crime has been committed so i
don't consent to any details me giving
you any details
if you believe if you honestly believe
that i'm obliged to give you my details
then i suggest you go back to police
school because
or you know actually you learn the law
because now you know what the law is and
you need to provide your details okay
what is the law what is the law road
traffic tax what's that that's not law
babe
calling her babe
says the guy who complained when this
constable called him mate a few minutes
ago
it's actually embarrassing the police
don't even know the law
unfortunately it's embarrassing that you
don't understand the law
then force entry to my vehicle arrest me
for detaining go and do that go for it
right actually i'm not i do not consent
to that i'm do not consent to that but i
dare you because guess what you're going
to get all freaking fined like hell and
i'm gonna take you all to court and sue
you under common law by acting against
your jurisdiction what do you do for a
living why am i obliged to answer that
question
what do you do for a living it seems
like you harass innocent members of the
public
i actually feel harassed right now yes
yes i do
let me play a sad song for you on the
world's smallest violin
two members out there
hey
you think i'm wasting police time do you
all right joshua
you've been given plenty of opportunity
i'm not going to arrest you because i
really can't be asked i've got better
things to do so you're not going to
arrest me okay you're not going to
arrest me okay i'll listen to what
you're saying so i'm going to be
reporting for the offensive driving
without due care and attention i'm
failing to provide identification to a
uniformed officer right you didn't have
to say anything but it may harm you i do
not consent to that when questions
something you later rely on in court i
really don't care okay well that doesn't
make any sense because
bye learn the law love
bye
so that's how you turn a possible
warning about the manner of your driving
into a driving without due care and
attention charge which it could be
someone to call for depending on how
serious it was
they're not producing the license and
insurance will likely be dealt with by
ticket
they probably confirmed these details on
the police national computer
and had they not been busy this may have
turned into a window removal arrest and
tour but i'm sure we have not seen or
heard the last of him because well he's
on a self-discovery quest
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