Whether you watching this live >> [cough] [clears throat] >> whether you watching this live or you watching this on the replay, I appreciate you for checking in with your boy. Time is one of the most important things that we have, so I never take it for granted that we actually able to spend some time together. Man, what's going on? What's happening? What is happening, y'all? Let me see. Let me see some. Let me see some. See these comments, man. Okay, so we got a couple people in the building. We got a We got Wanda. We got Price. We got Bear. Diane is in the building. George is here. What's going on, everybody? What's happening? Now, so right after this video, before we get into the video, right after this live, all of the videos for today will be dropping, so five videos will be dropping today. Um I noticed something last time, and that's why kind of lately the videos have been dropping later in the in in the evening time, is that our last live, I noticed that there was like a good amount of people in the live. Like, there was like maybe not everybody was talking, but I could see the number of people that's that's here. And I'm like, damn, is that because I didn't drop any videos like throughout the day? Cuz you know, YouTube only gives you like three notifications. Like, as a as a you as a subscriber, you're only going to get three notifications of all of your all of your content creators. So, you know, um so without me dropping anything, I figure, okay, well, maybe that contributed to the higher number of people because it would be the first notification of the day. So, anyway, um Andrea is here. Al Alam is here. What's going on, you guys? So, today we got a video from um, Detective Williams. And, you know, there's been a good amount of of longer videos that came out. It was like three videos to choose from. I'm not going to lie, it was it was it was some good stuff that that have came out, but uh, this is the one that I decided to go with. Um, that stuck out to me the most, but there was there was like two other ones that was in the running, and I'm not going to lie. Um, maybe we'll get to them Friday or whatever. But, um, yeah, so, today we got a video from Dr. Or, no, no, no, not Dr. Uh, Detective Williams. Detective Williams. And the title of the video is construction man find a mysterious dead woman on work site, man. On work site. Now, that's come on. Imagine you going to work, you know, hard working man, got your lunch pail, you know what I'm saying? Doing your construction thing, you know, measuring things, cutting things, you know, doing what construction people do. And then you just come across a body. Shh. That's that's wild. I ain't going to lie. So, anyway, let's get to it, man. Let's see what they actually talking about here. >> This is 44-year-old Wilma Schwartz. After dropping her son at school, [music] she disappeared without a trace. Five days later, her body was found 24 miles away [music] in a remote yard by a crew of construction workers. The mystery only deepened when investigators located her missing car. They found a cabin soaked in blood and a spent [music] 9-mm shell casing. To find the killer, detectives would have to untangle a web of fake plates and [music] security tapes that led to a betrayal no one saw coming. >> Mhm. March 14th, 2016, Antwerp, [music] Ohio. 911 received a call from construction workers who just clocked in for a shift at [music] a house, but before they could begin, they stumbled upon something that stopped them in their tracks. >> We're actually tearing down a garage today and uh there was a dead man in the yard. >> The first responding officers got there [music] a few minutes later, and as soon as they entered the scene, they knew this case was far more [music] complicated than it first appeared. For starters, the victim wasn't a man, but a woman, and she was not supposed to be here. >> [music] >> George. >> Before we even continue with this though, um the homeowners didn't find this? Like I I Unless this is her house, I doubt that this is her house. She was probably just dumped off here, but where are the actual homeowners? Chris, what's happening, man? I see you. >> I don't want to move her though. Here is a coat. Look at her finger. You see her finger, Shane? It's like shot through. >> It looks like she's a little older. >> Only 11. >> There was a clear gunshot wound to the head and another through her finger, but because it had rained all weekend, her body was difficult to identify. Just by looking at her, the officers couldn't tell if the woman was older or a teenager. Since they were still collecting the initial evidence, they also couldn't move the body very much. Despite that, they still noticed something strange about the way she was found. [music] >> It looks like body or coat should have been thrown around a corner, maybe. It didn't look like it lay was laid there. >> I know. >> The way her pants are coming off, she was dragged or dragged from a car or something over that way. >> And then turned around. >> But with her uh No, I look at her hands, the way her hands are. She was like dragged her dragged her away from the vehicle. Say the vehicle >> the coat the coat or her shirt stuff's up >> as if she was dragged this way. >> I see what you're saying. >> No, I mean >> It does kind of look like that. >> Her pants her pants >> Yeah, but her hands >> pulled up, your shirt's like your pants aren't going to come down if your knees are dragging. And your arms are going to pull or if you drag this way, your arms are going to go out in front of you. You know what I mean? And your shirt's going to drag up. You should be able to tell from the ground underneath her, you know, if the grass is lying which way the grass is lying. >> Yeah. >> The victim's arms were stretched above her head, and with the way her clothes were positioned, it [music] was clear that she was dragged into the spot she was found in after she was already dead. A gunshot wound to the head would usually leave a lot of blood near the body, but that wasn't the case here, >> [music] >> leading officers to believe she wasn't killed at this location. Whoever killed her did so in another location and then dumped [music] the body here, thinking the area was so remote that no one would find her. But the construction workers did. But with that, they ended up being the witnesses and the first suspects. >> He said he was a signing sheet now. >> Yeah, but that area not that remote. I mean, it's not that far away from the the road, honestly. When when when we're really thinking about it here, it's not that far away from the road. So, people driving by, you know, might be able to Hold on. It's not like you really dragged her into the woods or something crazy LIKE THAT. OH. >> [laughter] >> OH, GEORGIA. I appreciate that. Georgia with the 10 gifted memberships, man. Georgia blessed people with the membership, man. I appreciate that. Thank you for the support. Um GG, what's going on? I see you. Um Damn. Damn. Georgia with the 10 gifted memberships, man. That's pretty dope. >> And they said they got 10 one and two on the 11. Somewhere in there. >> Well, he's saying that was a six. His pictures are all taken on the sixth. And then he emailed them to the company and then the company updated the file on the 11th. So, he thinks it was actually the sixth or the 11th. But we get the code to get in the house. I still think he should have been here before. >> No, it's just the rain. >> Just got to give it four days. >> It's like taking a bath. [music] Your skin's You know what I mean? >> Only if rain has been required. At least. But this is like I was saying, this guy Man, I worked for you. You just sent me all these homes I worked like sticking around the windows and stuff. >> Oh, yeah. >> And they're all foreclosed. So, this this house has been empty >> for a while. >> Yeah. Yeah, we've been we've been we drive by occasionally, but I couldn't tell you the last time we were by this place. >> I made it I made it 7:30 in the >> I looked here. I boarded up that garage door. The little man door, boarded up that door. I boarded up a window in the back. I boarded up the plastic that window. >> So, when were you here previously? >> Um I did that in >> Okay. Hey Shane. Four or five days max, it looks like. >> Exactly. As soon as I get this stuff up, see. Here's the work order. Five reasons I I can come in here and I can log in. I put in my contractor form. And I put in six days. >> Which one? >> I don't know when I was last week. >> Who all then came with you today? >> Uh he's my dad. And then those other two guys are my cousins. >> If you could say names, that'd be great. >> Michael Wireman. Jason Wireman and Joe Wireman. >> Michael, Jason, and Joe? And that was the only time you'd ever been to this property before is when you boarded up the door. Been here a couple times, okay. Okay. Who all would have come with you the last time? >> Uh my dad, Michael Wireman. And Jason. >> Okay. That's 3 days ago. Hey Shane. They were here on the 11th and boarded up the garage. Do you know what time you would have left? >> Time to leave. Time we get here to board that garage is >> Would you have texted anybody to let them know what was going on or anything? Like when you got home or when you left the property or >> All I do is like when I get done with this job, I got to submit the pictures. >> Okay. >> And then I send them to them and then I go home and I got to update the orders. So I update them from my house. >> Would you Would you have done that with the garage photos? >> I send them with their own time and time stamp. >> Usually if you look at the file, they can tell you the properties. Did you take the photos with this? >> Yeah, but they're already sent out. >> Was it I mean it Part of the same >> No, the actual photo, when you take the actual photo, you could go into information and it'll tell you the date and time that you took the photo. Come on now. Come on, you don't look that old. You got to be with the technology now. Let's get it together. >> Even in your gallery, like if you go to your pictures. Are they saved in there yet? >> See, even the cop know. >> The officer was able to look at the metadata from the pictures the worker had taken on his last day here, 3 [music] days ago. >> Metadata. >> And confirmed that they had left the location, but even with that confirmed, the officer still had to rule out the possibility that he had something to do with the body that was found. [music] >> He's going to have you do a DNA sample for us real quick. It's just a couple Q-tips you wipe on the inside of your cheek. >> Yeah, I don't like Pepsi, but I'll do it. >> Well, just in case. They find They find something else we took a leak or something. You know, we want to make sure who was here. >> Left and right cheek. Inside your mouth. Just hold that and let that dry for a minute. >> Right in towards the bottom of your jaw. Like right in here. Kind of go back and forth a few times. That's good. And then do the other one with the other side. If you can hold them both, that keeps us from [music] touching them. And if you just hold them for a few seconds while they dry, then have them drop them drop them in the envelope. >> While the DNA sample would help rule him out, the crew consisted of five people [music] and they were all separated so officers could take their statements individually and make sure they all lined up. >> What's your name, sir? >> Jason. Jason. >> Yeah. >> I know I got a Bobby, a Michael, and Jason and something else but I forgot. >> last time we was here, that my brother [music] he's the one wearing the police vest. He wasn't here with us. He just helps us out like whenever we have big jobs like this. >> Got you. >> We'll have him help us but other than that, it was just me, my cousin Bobby, and my uncle Mike. [music] That was the only ones here that day we was last here. >> Okay. And you remember what day you [music] were last >> I don't know. I'm thinking it was like >> Five days ago. Between five and six days ago. >> six days ago. >> Yeah. >> Do you remember what day of the week it was? >> It [music] was through a weekday. We just been doing so many jobs lately. >> I understand. >> Right there, there is kind of a path in the grass. It kind of comes to around the back. See that? >> [music] >> Kind of see where it's mushed. >> It's got to be an Indiana situation. >> I'm telling you, they found her in Indiana and brought her here. >> Call the FBI. >> There you go. >> They'll solve everything. >> We're looking into the possibility of any missing people from Indiana. Working on that right now. These uh workers here, we got all their names. >> See, that's the money man right there. My my guy pull up with the trench coat. Oh, yeah. Ooh, wee. This is the money guy right here. This guy right here. >> See where it's mushed. >> It's got to be an Indiana situation. >> I'm telling you, they found her in Indiana and brought her here. >> Call the FBI. >> There you go. >> They'll solve everything. >> We're looking into the possibility of any missing people from Indiana. We're working on that right now. These uh workers here, we got all their names. They They winterize houses and they came here today to tear this garage down, start tearing it down, and they were here on the 6th, which they have a log in there of when they were here last to verify when they were here last. And uh she wasn't here, obviously. >> The officers were hoping to find some sort of identification on her, but they didn't. So, the next step was to gather as much information about her as possible and send it to nearby counties, hoping to identify the victim and get closer to whoever did this to her. >> Yeah, I'd say thin. Uh probably around blonde-ish hair, short, uh I would say anywhere from 5 ft to 5 4. If she's If she's at 5 4, she's pushing it. They got a 5 2 blonde hair, 120-lb uh Yeah. city. Well, she She's been out in the rain, so her skin's you know, and it looks like she was drug here. She's got a Yeah, we seen that. Her one index finger looks like it's been shot through. If we can find a You don't have a last known clothing description, do you? 17. Just turned 18. Just turned 18 yesterday. This isn't 17. This is probably 50s. >> Oh, [ __ ] Yeah, she's real thin, drugs. >> This ain't no 17. This is 50. >> starting to lose hope, they received a call. >> I just talked to a Fort Wayne detective from uh the missing persons. They had a 17-year-old girl missing that just turned 18 today, but that's not her. They said they had a 5-foot-1, blonde-haired woman. She's 44. But looks older. >> This was the woman they were looking for, 44-year-old Wilma A. Schwartz. Wilma had been reported missing on March 9th after she failed to pick up her 6-year-old son from school in Fort Wayne, about 24 miles from the spot in Antwerp where her body was found. The construction workers were sure she wasn't there on March 11th. So, if Wilma was killed shortly after going missing, the killer kept her body for at least 3 days before dumping it at the property. She was last seen alive when she dropped her son off in her red Pontiac Sunfire, and the car was missing, too. But tracking it down proved to be difficult because the plates on it were fake. So, the Paulding County Sheriff's Office issued a press release asking the locals to keep a lookout for the vehicle, and that move ended up being the key to solving the case. On March 16th, 2016, Wilma Schwartz's red Pontiac Sunfire was spotted in Huntington County, Indiana, near Markle in a business parking lot by US 224 and Route 3. The second officers opened the vehicle door, they saw that the passenger seat was drenched in blood. While collecting evidence, they found a 9-mm shell casing in the vehicle along with cleaning supplies. From the state of this car, it was clear Wilma had died here. With the blood spatter and the location of the casing, along with the bullet hole in Wilma's finger and her head, the detectives were able to reconstruct what may have happened. Wilma was sitting in the passenger seat of her car when she was shot. In her last moments, she tried to shield her face, but it wasn't enough. The bullet went through her hand and into her head, ending her life instantly. >> Yeah, but my thing is so she was shot from the outside. Why would she be Why would she be in her passenger side of the car of her own vehicle? So who else Who was in the driver's seat? Eli, what's up, man? Who the hell? If they going with that scenario and that narrative which it does make sense for her to be hit in the arm or for her finger to be hit. It makes sense that somebody was out there aiming at her and she was trying to trying to you know deflect This is like boxing, you know what I'm saying? Got blocked. You know what I mean? That makes sense. It would boo. But I'm just like if that's your vehicle why you in the passenger seat? So was there somebody else with her? Who was driving? Cuz I mean who the hell sits in the passenger seat of their own vehicle? >> But when the detectives went through the security >> by themself, I should say. >> footage, they realized Wilma didn't drive it there. On March 10th, roughly 24 hours after Wilma went missing, the car arrived at the parking lot and pulled up next to a Dodge Durango. Wilma's ex-boyfriend, Daniel Zerby Sr., exited the Sunfire and his brother, Leroy Zerby, came out of the Durango. They went inside the store and bought snacks before moving the car to another parking spot to leave in the Durango. But as the men were leaving, the detectives realized they were not alone. >> [music] >> There was a third person with them, a woman, Wilma's friend, Lisa King. All three of them entered the Durango and left the car in the parking lot >> [music] >> where it stayed until the detectives found it. While the detectives worked on tracking them down, Daniel's son was already in Wells County jail, making him the perfect person to give them background on the victim and the people now tied to the case before detectives ever sat [music] down with them. >> You really didn't tell us about how long you stayed with your dad in the picture. >> Well, I didn't know how long. >> Did he stay Did he what? Did he move back to England or did he stay? >> Okay. Who did he come back to Tennessee with? >> First time it was with Donald Jackson. That time I don't know if they even left and moved back down. Just cuz what I heard him say and stuff so he did something. Uh something in the middle. But you don't need nothing to tell me to really go off what they say. You know what I mean? >> Would he have came back with Lisa? >> Yeah, that that time Lisa was there. She could have been there the whole time. >> This is This is We're talking about the time frame what a week before you were arrested. >> That week I was in the hospital. >> You seen her with him during that time period? >> Yeah. >> And she Lisa was living with your dad down there? >> I don't know. I know she was up here and she was at Lisa's Lisa's. >> Did you know her ex? >> Yes. >> The night you got cooked, your dad and Lisa were both there, right? Is that correct? >> Yeah. I don't know the last time she was with my uncle Leroy. I didn't take the last one. >> Okay. You know where Lisa >> Okay. >> But she was married to your uncle Leroy? >> Before. Yeah, like >> How long before? Years or months? >> 10 years. >> 10 years. >> Okay. >> But this is where the situation with Lisa and Daniel Sr. gets more complicated. >> Her and your dad became a couple. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> As far as I know. >> Do you know how long they've been a couple? >> I don't know. I >> Months, years? >> Not probably not. It was just a couple of 9 years. >> So probably since dad's been out of prison? >> Mhm. Dad's on parole right now. >> That's in Fort Wayne? >> Yeah, in the end. Then he got a girlfriend. >> GG, this was in 2016. Um yeah. Why does everything got to turn into relationship stuff? Like it's been it's been a while since we actually did one of these lives where like it was not relationship related. These man. Boy. These relationships scary, boy. If they end in like this, this is oh boy. >> I think he can't see you right now. >> That was from Adams County, I think it was. Indiana? >> Yeah, Indiana Adams County. >> How long did he stay in prison? How long was he there? >> Somewhere around there. Not not too long. Years. >> Was that >> initial? >> Your dad, what did he go to prison >> Around here for >> It was drugs. Something about meth or something. Making meth? >> You know? >> Yeah, it was about meth as far as prison. >> So you talked to your dad when you did time? >> Not really. It's I have more hearsay. Like I hear from my stuff, but >> Uncle, which uncle? Leroy? They would talk to your dad more. >> I mean Leroy, I mean That is just Leroy cuz they always fight and stuff, you know what I mean? Family feud and stuff. >> I would imagine being in his exact situation would probably be overwhelming. He didn't >> I didn't I didn't I didn't think so. You could kind of tell, but I don't know if it He he didn't seem like it bothered him. Probably, you know what I mean? Family stuff. >> Even though Lisa was Daniel Senior's former sister-in-law, the two began a relationship and somehow Daniel's brother Leroy was completely fine with it. >> Okay, you haven't talked to him on the phone here? >> No, not at all. >> Not at all. No. >> No. >> I talked to him. >> Okay, so you got arrested right at the end of January 1st of February, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you haven't talked to him since since February 1st. Okay. >> Just hearsay. >> Yeah, yeah. He said it straight up. And you know that we can check every phone call. >> Yeah, that's what I had told him on the >> We check them, man. We're going to check them. >> I know you are, but I swear >> Who have you been talking to? >> Just my lady. >> That's it? >> That's it. >> So, you know what >> She knows about this. >> She told you everything about it? >> She said that when we found it, all of them said it was on the news. >> She know anything else about it? >> As long as she says she I mean there's hearsay, you know. Some people think she's thinking my dad did it. >> She said that? You knew Wilma how >> I've known her since I was since I was 11. >> Since you were 11? How old are you now? >> 24. >> Wilma had been around for most of Daniel Jr.'s life, and he saw her like a second mother, which is why he was willing to help put her killer behind bars, even if that meant helping build a case against his own father. But, what makes this whole situation even worse is that Wilma saw it coming. >> Uh Jessica told me that she text Summer and said that she was scared for her life. >> That Wilma texted Summer? >> Yeah, cuz my lady told me that. >> She said, "Why?" >> Yeah. She didn't say why? >> Even then, she couldn't save herself in time. But, according to Daniel Jr., one person would be able to fill the gaps here. >> Really the best people to talk to is his brother. >> You know what I mean? >> Who's brother? >> My dad's. >> Leroy? >> Yeah. He's the best person to talk to. He He knows more than I would, you know what I mean? Just cuz like I mean, not saying he would, but if anybody was knew anything, like that. You know? >> Where does he live at? >> Here in town. Our last apartment. >> As one team of detectives went to bring Leroy in, another learned Lisa had been arrested in Illinois and was sitting in the Cook County jail. And even after being told there was video evidence showing her getting out of Wilma's car after the murder, she still tried to act oblivious. What she didn't know was that detectives already had physical evidence placing her in the middle of it. >> Damn, these people always they getting locked up for everything else. Damn, by the time you catch up with these people they in jail. God damn, it must be that hard to stay off the streets, man. >> You had strong suspicion that something bad had happened to you. Wilma, but you didn't know exactly Definitely told us that why what made you think or had that strong suspicion that there was something wrong? >> Well, Wilma just feeling feeling and and after being there and what I've been through for a while nothing happened. I felt Wilma It just wasn't a good situation. Wilma said it would be like that. >> To her? >> Um and then Is there a way out of that? Wilma was afraid. That's it. Sure. That's it. That's it. I knew Wilma was afraid. What are you doing Wilma? Wilma right there. You know Wilma and I'm not exactly sure what Wilma said Wilma said Wilma Wilma said Wilma gave you a first count and then Wilma count and I was in a scene. I was Wilma was in a scene. Wilma said Wilma said Wilma had a usual routine. a bar I found From the scene, is there any Can you think of any reason why there'd be your DNA on Wilma's person? >> No. No, Wilma but unless uh No, there's >> Wilma who a lot smaller than you, right? >> She was >> She was like 5 ft 2. >> She was She was 6'1". How tall is How tall is Wilma's actual height? I know I didn't have any clothes after the car was confiscated. Um and she gave me a few clothes to wear. Um jeans and then I had some leggings. >> The detective is shocked because Wilma was so tiny that they thought she was a teenager at first. >> You could wear her jeans? >> There was a pair that was a big for her yesterday. >> Where are those now? >> That's where That was where the jeans stayed. >> All this might seem like the detectives are just trying to body shame her, but there's a reason why they brought this up. >> I just want to make it clear that we're not trying to waste your time or scare our time, okay? It looked really bad for you because the DNA found on Wilma's person is found on the inside waistband of the pants that she was wearing. Is there any reason why that your DNA should be in the inside waistband of Wilma on the back? >> Okay. >> And nowhere else. The back of the pants, inside the waistband. Right where somebody would need to grab a body to help move it. >> Yes, there's something There's something going on there. >> I'm telling you I'm telling you it is. This is not really >> Well, I believe what you said. >> I'm trying to find a reason and quite frankly, it's to the point where I just don't know. You have any comments to stuff, but there's some of the evidence is contradictory. If the If the DNA is in the pants that she had on, inside and not on the outside, then that's the pants she was wearing when we found her dead. I mean, that would look bad, you know? You see where I'm heading at? >> I see you I see where you're heading. >> Yeah, I'm trying to talk to you. I'm trying to figure out what it is that's going on that we don't know about because I feel like there's there's something going on >> There is. >> that you're trying to protect yourself a little bit. Maybe I don't know. I don't know what it is because I We don't know yet. >> I know there was a lot of clothes or not a lot but there was some clothes of hers that I had on. But I mean they would be I had them on and they all in there. It wasn't just one specific area. >> Exactly. >> So I mean I don't understand why. >> Lisa tried to stay composed but the detectives made sure she knew she couldn't separate herself from the situation now. >> So Arthur is is that Daniel had a hold of her arms and you helped move her by the waist. So how's your DNA in there? Did you see her there? >> I couldn't live with myself. I'm just telling you I could not live with myself. I couldn't I don't know if that was the first. You know I went through a lot of crap with this man too. But I could not live. >> And guess what he guess what he and his defense attorney are going to say? That you did it. >> Even with the risk of prison hanging over her head, Lisa still wouldn't budge. >> Him being the one that's in charge of being investigated for arrest or a shoe print. You were just with him. That's exactly what was said. >> We have recordings. >> I'd love to hear it. >> I'll see if I get it. >> [snorts] >> You need that record? >> Detectives spent another hour talking to Lisa trying to get her to understand that [music] any information she gave could help her case. And after dodging the truth for most of the interview, she finally admitted she'd been in the Sunfire. [music] >> I didn't watch the video. Did you drive the mall forward or did uh Daniel? >> I've never drove that car. >> So you said what faster see faster see you guys see you guys see you guys >> I was >> See if you know something and you a part of it you got to try and work out a deal man. You see how that other guy was? If you was here for that other case that we did a while back or I forget what it was. Maybe it was whatever. But there was another case that we did where a guy knew some information. And he was oh oh, it was the case Yeah, they found her in in the floor or some [ __ ] like that, whatever. Some something like that. Found the body in the floor. But you see the guy, he was like, "I know some information, but I need immunity, man. I got to work work work with me, man. I can help you crack the case, but you got to work with me." That's how you supposed to maneuver it. If you're not the the actual killer yourself, you could work out a deal out of these times, you know what I'm saying? But the fact that she just willy-nilly, you know, going on and, you know, whatever. I mean, it's tough. You got to be able to explain it. Why is your DNA on her? You have to be able to explain that. Did you help? Did you whatever. Like, did he force you to help? You know, something. Yeah, you supposed to get with your lawyer. Say, "Hey, I know some I know some information and I can explain what happened. But you got to work with me, man. I need I need some I need some I need some KFC. I need some Burger King, some McDonald's, something, some Chinese food. And I can sit here and I can lay out everything what happened, man. I can lay it all out for you. That's how you supposed to do it. But hey, she's not doing it like that, man. Damn. >> Sitting in the back. Sitting in the >> When you were sitting in the front seat today you dropped off Myrtle, you didn't see any blood that was still left on the door or window? >> No, I told you, but I saw blood in the console. Yes, I saw it in the console. So, you put it in the room. I didn't put it in the room. It was two drops right there. And I asked you I asked you about that. >> And you didn't see it on the back of the seat or down on the seat? >> No, he had like I know there was a bag, I would say, and that was jackets. Why don't we say it? But I didn't say it though. >> You said you asked him about that. You talking about the two talking about the blood that you saw. >> Yes, sir. >> What did he tell you when you asked him about it? What did he say? >> He said what I told him that week that he got super pissed. He was like, "What's it for?" And he just told me what he told me. That's all he said. I didn't know who he was except for what >> You guys essentially had seen Wilma almost every daily, right? >> Yes. [music] >> And you didn't wonder where she was? >> I did actually wonder. >> You were afraid of him though, weren't you? >> Yeah. >> You were afraid of him then to ask him that. And I think you're still afraid of him. >> I was afraid of him because I couldn't get it out. I asked him what he was doing too. But not like saying And I didn't think that he would say all this. I never wanted to be four years old my dad. I did. >> There inside that car there was a bag I told you had cleaning supplies and clothes and stuff. Stuff like that. Inside the bag there's a pair of gloves. The pair of gloves had your DNA on the inside with a little bit of Wilma's and on the outside had a a large amount of Wilma's blood with the cleaning supplies. Did you help clean the car out anyway, shape, or form? >> No, sir. >> Did you pick any trash out? Could you inadvertently done any cleaning and not known what you were doing? Put it in a black bag. >> I touched a lot of things in that car, >> [music] >> but No. >> What about the pair of gloves? >> I don't know about a pair of gloves because they kept losing because I've been making the math a lot and been having to do stuff. It could have been a possibility. >> So for your knowledge, you never wore a pair of gloves. >> No. No. I don't know how. >> Your DNA and her DNA are inside a pair of gloves inside the car that she was murdered in. >> We've been cleaning the house to put Wilma in that suitcase maybe now. And pair of gloves from the house. And right there it was just like a little gray rug. >> You were wearing rubber gloves while you were out in the rain. >> No. No. Playing in the house and playing in the rain. I'm a regular person. I don't bathe her body cuz of the blood washing stuff. But when you go through the same pain, I don't never say nothing. >> And these gloves have her blood on the outside of them. You know what I mean? So that those Therefore, those gloves are were were used to help clean that car where she was murdered and have your DNA and her DNA on the inside and her blood on the outside. >> Yeah. That may be the only the only way and I don't I mean, there was >> But she wasn't bleeding when you were playing in the house in Waynedale, right? >> Yes. And that I don't understand. That's what I'm saying. That's all the possibility of why my DNA would be on the pair of gloves. >> Do you understand how important DNA looks in a jury's eyes? >> I do. But I don't You have to understand that. You have to understand that. >> Lisa admitted to seeing blood in the car, but claimed that she had no idea how her DNA got in the inside of Wilma's jeans or the gloves found with her blood on them. Even though she had clearly witnessed what happened, she was trying to protect Daniel by not saying anything against him. However, the people closest to him felt the opposite way. Thanks to Daniel Jr.'s information, detectives were able to get in touch with Daniel Sr.'s brother, Leroy. Since he was one of the three people last seen with Wilma's car, he was a suspect, too. But as detectives started talking to him, it became clear Leroy may have been used as a pawn in Daniel Sr.'s plan. >> Did you pick him up? >> Why the hell is every freaking Honestly, I got to be for real. This whole video as far as the body cam parts has terrible audio. Literally, anything outside is all windy. Inside, it's low, kind of distorted, like Damn, man. >> Leroy, let me tell you something right now. You can be a >> Hey, look. Look. She said, "Give me Chinese food and I'm spilling the beans, literally." That's what I'm getting right after this live [ __ ] Soon as we done, go and go give me some Chinese food, okay? Woo! >> witness or you could be a suspect in something. You need to be completely honest with me. >> I didn't know anything about what was going on at the house. >> Wilma's car was found in Marco. We have video tape of somebody getting out Wilma's car where it was left and getting picked up by somebody driving a Dodge Durango. Okay, who'd you pick up? >> Angel and Wilma. >> What day was that? >> I don't know. It was the next day. >> Okay, what did they tell you? Why did Why Why did they need you to pick them up in from that car? >> Cuz they needed a front tire on the car. >> Leroy was tricked into picking them up from the parking lot so they wouldn't be seen driving Wilma's car across state lines. Once detectives realized how he fit into the timeline, Leroy was taken to the station so they could question him in more detail. >> Do you know what happened to Wilma? >> [music] >> Wilma was at Ronald's house. We just found out about this yesterday. Cuz we were going to >> Let me Let me tell you this. She had a gun put in her mouth. Then you know what happened? >> [music] >> I don't know. I don't know. >> I'm going to tell you. They backed into an abandoned property and drug her body into a yard that was high grass and left her there to rot. Now, do you think she deserved that? >> know. >> Okay. >> deserve nothing. >> I'm telling you this because of You got to think about Wilma. I just find it hard to believe. I'm seriously, Roy. I'm not trying to blame you for anything. I'm not going to try to accuse you of anything. I'm not trying to say you're lying to me, but I find it hard that your brother that you've been running around with, running back and forth and everything else, been texting, been calling, and tell her or something happened to Wilma, he did something to Wilma, but he wouldn't tell you and you're right there? >> [music] >> I don't understand that. I really don't. >> Leroy's connection wasn't just that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was that he was tied to both of the people detectives were now circling. >> And Daniel helped Lisa take care of things. You know, if it was Lisa, it was Lisa. Either way, Wilma didn't deserve it. >> No, she did not deserve it at all. >> We really need to We need to find out the truth here. Either Daniel did it or because well, Wilma's scared to death of him. She called her nephew up a few days before saying that he's going to kill me. >> She was like that two days or something like that. There's nothing wrong with her. >> Or he, you know, Lisa finally did something to her and then he helped Lisa take care of it. Get rid of her. >> I just I mean, you're brothers. >> Yeah. Lisa's a bad connection. But she used to be your wife, but you guys are still brothers. >> I don't know. >> You guys are blood. I just don't see why he would have told you. >> I would have told you right away, but I also I got I got to look at the place. >> Maybe you just found out when you got up there to Auburn, to the hotel. >> Yeah, that's what I was doing. That's what I was doing. That's it. No, I thought that Wilma had been doing that stuff. I thought Wilma had been doing that stuff. No, right. >> Oh, yeah. She looked like a little kid at first. >> She took the side of my room. >> She spent the whole day before out in the rain. All night long out in the rain. I just want to make sure we leave here feeling very comfortable that you're not covering up for your brother. >> I'm covering >> So, if he would have told you, you you'd be telling me right now. >> I I called immediately. >> Yeah, but you would have been telling me right now. >> Yeah. >> That's when Leroy remembered their mother calling him in a panic over something Daniel had said. At the time, it hadn't meant much, but now it suddenly made sense. But now, detectives needed to hear it from her directly. >> Hey, honey. >> How you doing? >> The day before yesterday, he called me and told me he killed my mom. >> Hey, I got two detectives with me. >> All right. >> I'm Mr. Slaton. I'm Detective Andy Olson with the Bluffton Police Department. And with with me is Deputy Dietrich of the Paulding County, Ohio Sheriff's Department. >> Yes. >> We're We're investigating Wilma's death. >> Yes. >> Um We understand that you might know something about that. >> Well, Daniel had called me and told me that he made a mess of his life. And I was distraught that this was my >> Okay. >> I was distraught. >> Yeah. >> And he was all alone in the house. Detective Now, he had called me and he just kept saying she was gone. Now, I didn't understand half of this conversation Whoever called me told me that he was up there and he mumbled when they called my phone. >> So, he But he told you she was gone. >> Yes. >> And that was Friday. Do you know about what time on Friday that was? >> Oh, it was all maybe 1:00 or 2:00 your time. >> 1:00 or 2:00 in the af- in the afternoon or in the morning here? >> Afternoon. >> Afternoon. Okay. And that's when you called Leroy That's when you called Leroy then? >> I can't hear you. What? >> And that That's when you called Leroy then? >> No, Daniel wanted to talk to Leroy and he said they only wanted to answer the phone, so I called Leroy. >> Okay. >> I didn't know anything was wrong if they called now. >> Okay. What were his When When you said What were his words to you? He You said he made a mess of his life. >> Yeah. >> Just >> He didn't tell me how he did it. And I told him about the funeral. He He never He never told you? >> Daniel never outright said he killed Wilma, but his mother knew something was wrong. She told detectives she didn't even like Wilma, but she still wasn't going to stand by if she could help get justice. Just as the case was zeroing in on Daniel, he was arrested >> Damn, why nobody don't like Wilma? The mom don't even like Wilma? Damn. >> on a drug charge in Indiana. Wilma had been left out in the open. Her car had been found, and piece by piece the evidence was closing in on him anyway, but he ended up walking in with the biggest piece of evidence, the murder weapon. The gun Daniel had used to kill Wilma was still on him at the time of his arrest. The bullet and shell casing tied back to it. He refused to speak to the detectives, but with all the evidence and his mother's statement, they didn't need to talk to him. In November 2017, Daniel Zerby pleaded guilty to Wilma Schwartz's murder and was later sentenced to 15 years to life. Lisa King had faced two tampering charges in the case, but in May 2 >> 15 for a body? Oh, yeah. This is different. This is what? And they caught him with the weapon? Yeah, he get life at the end of it or whatever, so he can keep going back to back and back, you know, he'll keep going to see the parole board every couple years or whatever, but still, the bottom line is 15, though? >> tied back to it. He refused to speak to the detectives, but with all the evidence and his mother's statement, they didn't need to talk to him. In November 2017, Daniel Serby pleaded guilty to Wilma Schwartz's murder and was later sentenced to 15 years to life. Lisa King had faced two tampering charges in the case, but in May 2017, those charges were dismissed without prejudice and she walked away without a conviction. >> Yeah, they dropped the ball. I don't know where wherever this is at. They they they completely dropped the ball. Completely dropped the ball. You don't get nothing on her? And her DNA is they like You have DNA evidence, you have the murder weapon, you have every You have them seen together. She doesn't get nothing. She walks away completely scot-free. And he get a 15 piece. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. That's this is That's not justice. That's not justice. That that's not No. Wow. Wow. That's a complete slap in the face to to Wilma and her family. Complete slap in the face, man. Sat out there in the rain. Got shot. Whatever. Drugged out, sat out in the rain for days. Yeah, this is foul. This is foul [ __ ] I ain't going to lie. But >> [sighs] >> Uh, anyway. That's that's the That's the video for today. Um >> [clears throat] >> That's the video for today. Um I'll see you guys. Stream elements is so late. [ __ ] bot. Anyway, let's see we got we got one, two, three, four, five. No, not delete. Let's see. Change visibility from unlisted to public. Yes. Come on. Come on. Come on. Okay. Five new videos. You guys got to chill out, relax tonight. Or if you don't have enough of me, watch it in the morning. All right. You guys have a good rest of y'all night. I'mma catch you guys on Friday. And that's that. Um I'mma catch you on the flip side. Peace. >> [music] [music]