What I was talking about was an independent witness that the state didn't call who the jury really wanted to hear from. Michael Hyatt 889 says, "Why didn't you call the witness?" The reason I didn't call the witness is it wasn't my job to prove my client was innocent. It was their job to prove my client was guilty. The state called her. The state knew what she was going to say. And if the state didn't call her to the stand, we presumed that what she was going to say wasn't really beneficial for the state. Being an independent witness is really important in a jury trial because juries like to hear from those. But the defense doesn't have to call them. The state has to call them.