What's your name and your badge number? What's your name and your badge number? Sir, I'm >> not going to give that to you. >> You have to. >> No. >> Yes, you do. >> You are a public servant. I'm asking for your name and badge number. >> Give me your name. >> No, I do not. You have to have reasonable art or articulable suspicion that I me as a person have have committed a crime, about to commit a crime, or in the process of committing a crime. >> This Marine veteran was detained at a gas station all because police claimed his dark-coled car matched a vague description from the night before. The suspect may have been black. Nothing definite yet. Officers pushed a possible attempted homicide. No solid evidence. No clear match. Just another show of power without probable cause. Drop your comments and I'll leave the full video in the description. Let's go. >> What do you need? >> All right. Well, I need to identify you. >> No, you do not. >> My name is Officer Padus with the Grand Junction Police Department. All right. >> All right. What What's your what's what's your badge number? >> 2016. It's right here. >> Okay. And this is my corporal right here. This is corporal church. >> Okay. >> As well. >> Okay. >> All right. So, I need you to identify yourself. >> No, that's not how it works. I have rights as an American citizen, right? >> Yes, you do. >> Yeah. Yeah. You have to suspect me of committing an actual crime in order to identify. Failing to identify is a secondary offense. You have to have an actual charge or you have to suspect me of committing a crime. You don't have that. You have nothing. I'm not going to identify simply because you because because because because you see me park and you want to come up and identify me. That's not how it works. >> So, okay. So, here I'll clarify some things for you so you understand why I'm coming up and trying to contact you right now. Okay. >> Earlier in the night, there was a shooting that occurred right near the Travel Lodge. >> Okay. >> And your car is similar in description, a dark colored sedan >> to the suspect vehicle. >> Okay. >> All right. So, you're seeing leaving the Travel Lodge. of information. That's where the suspect might have come from. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Okay. But but do you have actual do you have a license plate number? Do you have a description of the person? Do you have anything? No. You you do you do not have articulable suspicion that I've done anything? >> I actually do. >> No, you do not. >> No, you do not. I I am I am not going to identify. >> If you fail to identify yourself, I'm going to pull you out of this car and detain you for obstruction. No, >> because right now you're interfering with my investigation. >> No, I've I've done I you you you do you do Oh, okay. So So you have to have reasonable, articulable suspicion that I have committed a crime. What crime do you suspect me of committing? >> Possible attempted homicide. >> Possible attempted homicide. >> Yes. You suspect me, actual me, of committing possible attempted homicide. >> Well, your cooperative behavior right now does not help your cause. >> No. Being cooperative or or or or uncooperative. I'm not giving up my rights. When you when you when you give up your rights, you'll lose your rights eventually. I have rights as a free American. I've done absolutely nothing. I pulled into a gas station because my friends are here because we're going to They're associated. >> Absolutely not. No, no, no. You you this >> this this is going to go to to you guys you guys have have have lost have lost your [ __ ] mind. I've done nothing. You can't just go around and pull over and and and and [ __ ] suspect anybody and everybody because >> And we haven't we haven't done that. That would be a violation of people's rights. >> Right. Exactly. in the area of a crime. >> Exactly. >> With a similar colored vehicle, similar nature to the >> description. Okay. What What is What description of that vehicle did you get? Tell me. >> Got a dark and colored sedan. >> A darken colored sedan. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And one of two people also, excuse me, two people also stated that one of the suspects may be of African-American descent. >> Okay. Well, it's not me. I've done nothing. I am not going to identify because you don't have that right to to to to take that right from me. I've done [ __ ] nothing. Nothing at all. >> So if you've done nothing wrong, all you got to do is fire yourself and then we can get this >> that's not how it works. That's how people lose their [ __ ] rights because because because because law enforcement is always like, well, if you've done nothing then then you shouldn't be afraid. No, that's that is that is intimidation factors. Aaron, I just need your information. >> Absolutely not. No. >> All right, Coral, can you go come over here, please? >> Absolutely not. >> Absolutely not. >> Okay. >> Hey, Aaron. >> I understand your situation. I But but but I I am a free American. I'm a goddamn veteran Marine who's done four deployments to [ __ ] Iraq. You're not going to come up to me and try to intimidate me and get my identification. Huh? >> Who's intimidating you? >> He is. He's He >> Do you want to talk to me? >> Yes. Yes. I I I do. >> He He'll step back. >> Can I talk to you for a minute? >> Yes, sir. Okay. >> Did he explain to you what's going on? >> Yes, he did. And and and I and I understand I understand what what all is going on. Right. But I am a constitutionalist. I believe in the American Constitution. I believe in American rights, especially as a black man, right? I understand. >> You believe in the rights of somebody who got shot >> that has a suspect identified. >> That has nothing to do with me. >> Well, how would we know that? >> I feel with them. I feel for them, right? But that's that's that's got nothing. >> A rifle competition, right? >> I'm going as a guest. >> Okay, that's kind of cool. We want to get you on your way, man. >> Okay. >> All I really need to do is identify you. >> No, you do not. No, you don't. You already know my name, which means you looked up my freaking license plate, right? So why do you need for me to identify? I'm not giving up my rights as an as a free American because you guys are using intimidation tactics. Failure to identify is a secondary offense. Secondary, you have to have a primary charge, a primary reason, right? I I just told you >> reasonable articulable suspicion that I me have committed a crime. Not anybody in the [ __ ] area. Me as a person. Reasonable, articulate suspicion that I have committed a crime. >> ID out of Colorado. >> Huh? >> Have you ever had an ID out of Colorado? >> No. >> Okay. Just Utah? >> Yes. >> All right. Have you ever been contacted by police in Colorado? >> No. >> Okay. All right. What time's your match start? >> What's that? >> What time's your match start? >> I'm not discussing my business. >> Well, I'm just trying to get you out here on time. >> Okay, you know what? At this point, am I being detained? Yes or no, please? >> Yes. >> Okay. At this point, I'm executing my fifth amendment right to to to remain silent. I'm going to remain silent. Do >> you want to remain silent and just show me a picture of your ID so I can confirm that to you? Nope. >> Nope. I am remaining silent. >> Okay. It may take a minute to get a photo from Utah, just FYI. You want to chill up here? Let me make a call real quick. >> You said that one of the suspects was identified as or may have been identified as as a black American, right? But which which which means that that there might have been a second suspect, right? What's the second suspect? White or or or Mexican, Hispanic, whatever, right? But you aren't [ __ ] stopping them and questioning them. You stop me and you wonder why [ __ ] have such a [ __ ] difficult time understanding how law enforcement does [ __ ] They were in a dark sedan, dude. A dark [ __ ] sedan the exact same color as mine. And you did not stop them and questioning them. You're doing it to me. >> Okay. Well, I'm sorry. >> Nope. >> Shut your [ __ ] mouth. I don't want to [ __ ] talk to you. >> Tell me how to talk. All right. Uh, you shut your [ __ ] [ __ ] mouth. >> Corporal, come up here. It's not working. >> Never mind. It's not even >> Yeah. Yes, exactly. Shut the [ __ ] up. >> All right. >> I'm executing my I'm I'm just going to [ __ ] be quiet. >> Okay. Well, I want I I understand. >> I don't [ __ ] I don't want to hear you. I don't need anything here. I don't need to hear anything from you. I need I need for you guys to do to [ __ ] do what you had to do and let me [ __ ] go cuz >> that's what we're that's what we're working on right now. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, I want to clarify something for you. >> I don't want to [ __ ] hear it, man. >> 30s. So, Aaron, I want to apologize that you feel this way and I really truly do appreciate your service. The reason why I'm contacting you is because another officer saw you leaving that area and requested this vehicle be stopped. Okay. Now, now your story is changing. Guess what? Guess what? They left the area, too. >> Yeah. And that officer that called for this did not see that car. Okay. >> We were We were together. >> Well, I'm sorry that I I didn't see that other car. Okay. So, I apologize. >> The other dark sedan >> with the [ __ ] white guy in it didn't get stopped. My car gets [ __ ] stopped. All righty. >> Okay. Well, my sergeant's on his way, so if you would like to talk to him. Okay. >> I don't I don't give a I don't want to [ __ ] talk to any guys. I want you guys to let me go. >> Okay. Well, we're trying to do that. All right. >> Trying to violate my [ __ ] rights. >> In the process trying to intimidate me like I'm [ __ ] dumb. I need to identify you. I need to You don't get the [ __ ] out of here, dude. Corbal, can we switch spots here? Yeah, >> we're waiting on a photograph from Good job. [Music] [Music] I'm the absolute last person to ever bring up race about anything, man. I don't ever bring that up. But I find it hard to believe that my [ __ ] buddy's car Dark sedan, exact same color, dark gray. We leave at the exact same time. He doesn't get stopped. >> This is what they try to do though, guys. >> You see how that officer came up? He said, "I need to identify you. You must ID because I came up and I'm asking for it. You must ID." That's not how [ __ ] works in America. Absolutely not. Reasonable, articulable suspicion that you as a person have committed a crime, is about to commit a crime or in the process of of committing a crime. Not anybody in the area. That is not RA to to get somebody to ID. It's not how it works. attempted [ __ ] homicide, guys. Attempted homicide. And you saw too how when I started to record, he comes up to me and he says, "Well, I'm well, I'm recording, too." Well, yeah. Your your records are difficult to get. Your records, they disappear. Your records get altered. Mine doesn't. That's why any interaction with the police, guys, you [ __ ] record it every time. No matter how small, you always do it. I don't know if that's going to be if we get to that point. I'll let you know. I don't know if it's going to be the full. >> There's guns in the other car. He's not really forthcoming with information. >> Why are you not cooperative? >> Because I don't I don't have to be cooperative with your investigation. >> Well, you have to ID yourself. >> No, I do not. >> Okay. I I I absolutely do. Tell me why I have to ID you. >> Well, Colorado state law says you do. >> Explain that to me. >> You want me to recite the law? >> I want you to I want you to explain why I me as a person have to ID to you. >> Colorado state law says you do. >> Explain that law. >> Okay. What do you want to explain? >> You can't just say, "Well, the law says you are law enforcement, right?" >> So, explain to me why it doesn't. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. You know, >> I do know. No, you don't. >> How are you going to tell me what I know? >> Well, cuz you can't >> How are you going to tell me what I know? >> You can't explain it. >> I did not say that. I can't explain it. You as a law enforcement officer, as law enforcement, know the law. Me as a citizen is asking that. First of all, what's your name and your badge number, please? >> Okay. >> What's your name and your badge number? What's your name and your badge number, sir? >> I'm not going to give that to you. >> You have to. >> No. >> Yes, you do. >> No. >> You are a public servant. I'm asking for your name and badge number. >> Give me your name. >> No, I do not. You have to have reasonable art or articulable suspicion that I me as a person have have committed a crime, about to commit a crime, or in the process of committing a crime. >> I agree with that. You're correct. >> Okay. So, so explain to me how with that law I have to ID. >> Explain to me. >> So, you wanted me to explain to you why I'm asking for you to identify yourself? >> Yes. And first, first, wait, hold on. First, please please give me your name and your batch number, please. >> Well, no, I won't give you that right now. >> What do you mean you won't? This is This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever encountered. >> Would you like me to explain the reason I'm asking you for your >> I would like your name and batch number, please. First. >> So, you don't want me to explain the reason? >> I would like your name and batch number first. For the record, name and batch number first. >> I am willing to explain to you the reason that I asked these officer to stop you. >> Pull you over and ID you. >> Would you like me to explain that to you? Can I please have your name and badge number for the record, please? Too, sir. >> Right after you give me your ID, I'd be happy to. >> That's not how it works. That's not how it works. You are public servant. If the public asked for you to identify, you must identify. >> My god. If the public asked for you to identify, you are involved in this engagement. I would like your name and badge number. >> You realize that you're holding up several officers while there's an active investigation. >> No, you guys are. You guys are. You guys are holding up yourself. I'm doing nothing. You guys are holding up yourself cuz you guys are are the ones that don't want to let this go. Please, please, please identify yourself. >> I'll trade you. >> No, that's not how it works. I have a right to not >> I think that's fair. No, it's not fair. It's It's It's the law, man. It's not that hard. You're You are You are law You are law enforcement. >> Me, >> huh? >> You're You're disobeying the law. >> I'm not disobeying the law. I am not disobeying the law at all. I'm abiding but by the law. You guys are not. Yeah. Yeah. Smile it up. Smile it up because this is going to be on freaking YouTube and you're going to be famous. Smile it up. If you'd like to take a look, you could uh Google uh Colorado Revised Statute obstruction of a police officer. >> Why don't Why don't you look up the basic requirement to ID? >> I thought we've gone over that a couple times.