I'm on public property right now. There's no reasonable attributable suspicion of a crime. I do not need to identify. >> This is a police investigation. >> That doesn't matter. >> I can pull up the case law right now if you want. >> I mean, it's You're wrong. >> No, I'm not. Actually, >> you are. >> No, I'm not. >> So, it doesn't really matter. You have to identify yourself if you're involved in something. >> No, not if I committed a crime. If I committed a crime, it's not interfering if I didn't do anything physical. >> That's not correct. >> That's true. No, it's not. I've been doing this job long enough. I know when you have to identify yourself and when you don't. If you were some random person walking down the sidewalk >> and I said, "My name is Mark. That's all you need to know." >> No, it's not. We need your name and your date of birth. >> No, no, you don't. My job better than I do, right? >> No, I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just going on my constitutional rights. >> No, this is my constit This is my constitutional rights. So, it's not part of an incident. >> Go ahead. Pull up whatever you think it is. But you're wrong. >> No.