I don't have to give you a driver's license to drive a car. This is not a commercial vehicle. >> Okay? >> I'm not driving. I'm traveling. >> You are being detained right now. Step out the vehicle, young lady. >> I I know my right. I don't take orders from anybody. >> Nobody's giving you orders >> except God. >> Sovereign citizens wrap themselves in a comfortable fiction and tell themselves that laws are just words on paper. Compliance is entirely optional. They live happily in that illusion right up until the flashing red and blue lights fill their rear view mirror and they lock eyes with a cop who isn't playing games. >> Officer Ney with the Orange City Police Department. Do you have your license in your shirts? >> Hi, Officer Millie. No, I am not injured or I am not with >> Step out of the car. >> For what? >> Cuz I'm telling you to step out of the car. >> And what is your reason? >> I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF SAFE. I HAVE been and that is a charge. That is a charge BECAUSE I AM A SOVEREIGN. >> These sovereign citizens encountered cops with zero patience for BS. >> Step out of the car. >> Step out of the car. Stop. >> GET [screaming] AWAY FROM ME. >> Starting with Cody and his pregnant wife, Dexi, who thought that knowing the law meant that it didn't apply to them. >> Do you actually have a a DL? >> What do you mean? I don't need a driver's license in America. Actually, just to be honest with you, I don't I've already won this in [music] court. I'm trying to figure out what crime I committed for you to ask me that. >> Not wearing your seat belt, man. >> That's not a crime. That's a >> It's a traffic violation, ma'am. >> It's actually a civil infraction. >> You are required to have a driver's license. >> No, you're not. >> Okay. >> That's title 18 section 31, brother. I know what the I know what the words are. On December the 12th, 2022, during a sunny afternoon in Florida, officers on routine patrol pulled over a truck for a simple seat belt violation. The occupants were later identified as Dixie and her husband Cody, who were visiting from Michigan. As officers made contact, they quickly realized that they were dealing with a sovereign couple whose house of cards was about to collide headon with reality. >> I'm Sergeant Brown, USC PD. Reason why I stopped cuz you're not wearing your seat belt. Do you have your license registration on you, ma'am? >> I'm sorry. Is that I'm sorry. I just took my seatelt off. >> You didn't have it on. >> Yes, I did. >> Mm-m. >> Yes, I did. >> Mm-m. >> Yes, I did. >> Mm-m. >> You're going to have to I just took it off. I wear my seatelt. Actually, I I yell at everybody for not wearing their seat belt. >> Outstanding. Do you have your license on you, ma'am? >> Um, I'm not going to do this this morning. >> Dude, we're not from here. >> I know you guys from Michigan. I saw the tag. Do you have your passport on you or some sort of ID? >> I locked it up the hills. It's not even on me. >> Okay, no worries. >> I got mine. He's got his. >> Okay. Do you have >> I'm on my way to church right now. >> Okay. Thanks, man. >> Yep. >> Do you have Do you actually have a DL? >> What do you mean? I don't need a driver's license in America. Actually, just to be honest with you, I don't I've already won this in court. >> Fantastic. >> Yeah, I was definitely wearing my seat belt. We'll have to subpoena those uh videos. >> What's your first name, ma'am? >> Ma'am, what's your first name? >> What? >> Your first name? >> But I'm trying to figure out what crime I committed for you to ask me that. Not wearing your seatelt, man. >> That's not a crime. That's a crime. >> It's a traffic violation, ma'am. >> It's actually a civil infraction, >> which I can pull you over for. Yes. >> Um, no. I was wearing my seatelt, though. We're having a dispute here. I was wearing it and you're saying we're having a dispute here. So, here you can't you can't tell me I was wear I was >> Can you Can you settle down for a second here? Here's here's here's how it's going to play out. I'm going to verify everything and I'm just going to cut you a traffic warning and be on my merry way. That was my whole plan, just to be honest with you. not to get into a long drawn argument about whatever. I am just going to verify that you have a license or whatever that says you can drive in the state of the United States. Once that's clean and valid, I'm out of here. That is my plan. All right. What's your first name, mama? >> It's Dixie. >> Dixie. Miss Dixie. Okay. And your birthday? >> It's a It's in August. >> August what? >> 22nd. >> 22nd. >> Wow. I cannot wait to tell my professor this. >> Okay. And the year >> we have to do all this travel. >> Yeah. Because I don't have her DL or >> passport. But I just told you. >> You need an identification though. >> Right. >> I don't have to have a I don't have to have >> to verify your identity. Yes, you do. >> No, I don't. >> Okay. Whatever you say. But >> I need What's your What's your uh date of birth? >> Oh, 82. >> 82. Okay. >> Here's my passport. >> Oh, perfect. >> 26. I was looking for my my passport ID, but I only have my passport. >> All right. Thank you, Miss Dixie. >> You're welcome. >> Also, um, by any chance, do you have the registration? >> This is my husband's track. >> Okay. Do you have the registration or anything that has a vent on it? >> We different. >> I've never been pulled over before. >> Okay. >> Honestly, >> I had my seat belt on. >> Okay. The officer returned to his cruiser to verify Dixie's documents only to discover that the truck had never been registered. Immediately, he walked back to the vehicle, but Dexi and Cody were very much prepared for it. >> Here's where we're at. >> Step out over here real quick. >> Found you. You don't Your license is suspended out. >> Yeah. Can't find you. And we can't even find the truck. It's like it's not even registered. So, I'm going to run the VIN real quick. >> Yeah. I mean, we have access we have access from we have access in the in the database of all the states, but I'm going to run the van and see what we get. That's where we're at. Hello. >> How's it going? >> This guy seems to give us warnings when we get to church late. >> Yeah. Unfortunately, whatever identification you guys are providing is not coming back. I don't know if he told you that. >> It's a federal me. It's a federal ID. >> I understand that, but you guys need to have at least a state ID. >> Security school. I'm like going for my bachelor's associates. That's not true. >> What are you talking about? >> I understand it, but you are required to have a driver's license. >> No, you're not. >> Okay, >> that's title 18 section 31, brother. I know what the I know what the words are. >> He's a lawyer. >> Okay, >> that's why we got a passport. It actually says on there to not detain. >> I've I've been pulled over, >> if I'm correct, a few >> a few different times. Never have a problem. While Dixie and Cody remained lost in their own version of reality because they believed that the law was optional, they didn't realize that they were gradually crossing the line of no return. >> Miss Dixie want to talk to you about the problem. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we're not finding it at all. >> Well, I don't know what to tell you. They're on a paper system. >> Okay. >> And what is this guy talking about? A passport isn't an identity. It's formal identification is not a form for a license operating motor vehicle. >> Yeah, but we're not a resident of the state of Florida. >> You still have to have a license operated vehicle in the state of Florida. >> Okay. >> Go ahead. >> I actually am getting my badge on. >> Okay. First of all, that would be like calling somebody black. Yes, it is. You just asked me though because that's a discriminating comment. You just asked me if I was a sovereign. Everybody is involved. >> Why? >> I would like to Oh, I see. >> Uh Tony, why are you arresting me? Good. Arrest me. I hope you arrest me. Call Kathy right now. Get my attorneys on the phone. Don't touch me. >> Okay. Okay. >> All right, ma'am. Okay. >> Okay. I'm not resisting anything. You just pulled me backwards. >> Watch your head. >> I am pregnant. Can you in the car? >> IT IS THE LAW. YOU CANNOT HANDCUFF me behind my back. >> You're being charged with resisting as well. I'm not putting up >> resist. I was backwards. How can I resist? >> Put your left foot in. >> Not lawfully obeying to command >> two. What is the first command? [music] >> I told you to go to the car. >> Why would you put me in detain me? >> Cuz you're being arrested for what? >> I already explained to you. Operating a motor vehicle in the state of Florida without a flow. >> That is not your That is not a vehicle. My passport says do not detain me. Have a female officer pat you down. Make sure you don't have anything. >> Okay. This is an power and I will be but it's okay. Let her pat me down. Let her pat me down. You can go ahead and pat me down. >> Right over here. There you go. >> I have the right to remain silent and that's what I choose to do. So from now on, you will not get my fingerprints. You will not get anything from me. >> Do you have anything on you? Gunstrokes. >> No, I don't have anything on me. Anything. Anything. >> Going to pat you down. Do you have anything in your bra? >> I don't have anything in my bra but but my boobies. >> Oh my god. I cannot wait to file a lawsuit against the USUS Police Department. You do not go to jail for traveling through the state of Florida. >> You need a driver's license. >> No, you do not. No, I've already won that with section and and case law. >> God damn it. I'm in the homeland security school. Are you guys kidding me? >> I could I could be your boss in another 3 years. >> It's in the middle of teaching me that this crap is crap. >> Okay, >> Cody, call Kathy. Tell her to get here now. My children are with somebody else, you stupid idiot. >> Watch your head. >> I can't even believe you guys. >> With Dixie now seated behind the cruiser, the officers turned their attention to Cody, the man who had spent the entire stop reinforcing every one of Dixie's claims, still convinced he was one argument away from proving the officers wrong and cracking the legal code. >> All right, >> my guys are not being aggressive. Your wife is taking things up a notch, unfortunately. >> But and and this is where this is where we're coming from. She doesn't have a driver's license. >> She should. >> Okay. >> But she's not driving. >> No, she was she was driving. That's what I'm saying. I saw her drive. >> I'm telling you, we're not driving. We're traveling. >> Okay. You're traveling. Whatever you want to call it. But she does not have a valid >> What do you mean >> driver's license? Cody, let me ask I'm going to be honest with you, man. Yeah. >> Okay. Let me ask you a question. Okay. >> Are you guys like sovereign citizens? >> No, of course not. >> Okay. >> We're just Americans that stand up for, you know, our rights. >> Okay. And I'm f I'm totally fine with that. I respect that by all means. It's okay. I don't mean to like insult you by asking that question, but the certain the certain language that was being used, it kind of had me like a little concerned. You guys are tra you guys are traveling, but you you guys you guys got to have a driver's license. >> You could have a passport and stuff for ID purposes. >> Be in Florida. >> Yeah, it is for ID purposes. >> For ID purposes, but for driving a motorized vehicle in the States, you need a you need a traveling you need a you need a driver's license. You do not need a driver's license to travel. >> Yes, you do. Now, if you want to have the truck if you want the truck moved to the church, you can do that with the with the tow truck company. Okay. >> Do what? >> Yeah, I'm going to call the tow truck company, but I still don't want them to remove my my my plate. That's my metal, man. Come on. >> I have to It's What do you mean? >> It's a It's not assigned to the truck. You have to have the tag and the vehicle registered together. >> Show me. >> Okay. If it's not registered, okay, you cannot be driving this car. Can you show I'm not trying for >> I'll have one of my officers show you the statute. Okay. >> You can show me the statute, but I've already won this. If you look up my wife's name >> Mhm. >> in the state of Florida like 2 years ago, bro, we just went through this. >> Okay. >> West Palm Beach. Look it up. Everything dismissed. She They tried giving her like 38 tickets. >> How much you guys went out of that? >> Uh I think I settled for about 25 >> 25 mil,000,000. >> No, I Come on. I don't I don't do all that that I'm not a greedy person. people to know like >> where where it's coming know instantly you're like the sovereign citizen thing that's everybody always goes to that >> and then you know I looked it up a sovereign citizen is just a peace officer man it's just a civilian you know and you're having a sovereign right because you're trying to protect people and all this and that but there's no injured party here >> no there isn't >> nobody did anything to anybody or anything and I like >> you claimed that there wasn't a seat belt and I said you know there was a seat belt you know maybe the shades or something, you know, or see it. My wife's a little bit heftier, you know what I mean? So, maybe you didn't see the the strap, but she was wearing it, man. >> In the end, Dexi was charged with driving without a valid driver's license and resisting an officer. Unlike Cody and Dexi, Jennifer turned a traffic stop into a courtroom, but ended up being humiliated by the cops in a way she would never forget. >> I don't choose to answer any questions, though. >> You're asking me to perform in commerce. That's a violation of the Constitution. I have the free right of travel. That I do know. >> In the state of Illinois, you need to have a driver's license. >> I'm in the Republic of [music] Illinois. >> You're in the state of Illinois. >> State is a state of mind. >> Late one night in Illinois, Sergeant Lions initiated a traffic stop on a black Ford F-150 for a faulty headlight and an expired plate. On the surface, it looked like nothing more than another routine stop. But what the sergeant didn't know was that the woman behind the wheel, later identified as Jennifer, had no intention of making the encounter easy. Rather, she was determined to turn a simple traffic stop into a long and frustrating ordeal. >> Good evening. >> Good evening. >> Do you have your driver's license and insurance on you? >> No. >> I was just going to the store for my mother. I just picked her up from the hospital. >> Okay. Is this a company car? Do you normally drive this car? >> No, I don't. >> Okay. So, two things. One, you're driving without any headlights. me over to West Drive. >> Oh man, they >> I know they said something to me and they I was supposed to put the the sticker on and I'm so sorry. >> Okay, but you don't have your driver's license on you right now. >> No, I don't. >> Okay. What is Can I get your name and date of birth? >> I I don't Why would you need that? Can I just get a warning or >> I need to know who you are in order to give you a warning, but you also are required [music] to identify yourself on a traffic stop. >> Well, I don't choose to answer any questions, though. >> So, here's here's here's the issue. You can choose to identify yourself and I can give you a warning and you can be on your way or we can go the obstructing route and if you choose not to identify yourself >> it wouldn't be obstructing because I'm not in commerce. I'm not in commerce. I didn't have I have nobody in my vehicle in in this transportation. >> Again, you can choose to identify yourself or because you are refusing to your to identify yourself on a lawful stop. I will be [music] ident detaining you until I identify you and then we will go from there. >> At the moment, Officer Lions was beginning to [music] realize that she wasn't dealing with an ordinary driver. Jennifer was the rare breed of a sovereign citizen, Karen, who treated every traffic stop like a courtroom drama and every officer like an unwilling participant. >> You're asking me to perform in commerce. That's a violation of the Constitution. I have the free right of travel. That I do know. I don't normally try. I wouldn't be out at my >> I understand that. Which is why I would really love to just give you a warning because you don't have any headlights on your vehicle. >> Oh, I have headlights. I just didn't have them on. >> Correct. >> But you were driving down the roadway public highway without any lights activated on your vehicle when the sky is extremely dark and lights are required. I'm taking care of my private business from point A to point >> again in the state of Illinois. You need to have a driver's license. >> I'm in [music] the Republic of Illinois. >> You're in the state of Illinois. >> Your state is a state of mind. What is your name? What's your name and your badge number? Officer. Do >> you have a business card? >> I don't have a business card with my name on it. But my >> Well, you're conducting business though. You're out conducting business. >> My name is Sergeant Lions. My badge number is seven. The reason why I don't have a business card with my name on it is because I have not received one yet as I was recently promoted. >> Okay. Well, this is still in commerce. So, you would have your old business card, correct? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Do you have your oath in your bond? >> Yeah. >> Over here. You have >> actually started working out in the public because this is >> I took I took my I took my oath of office. Yes. >> Okay. I think they relocate by running a great GMC train. It's not been held up >> of the state of of the United States and the state of Illinois. >> Okay. You've taken an oath to serve and protect against foreign and domestic. And this at this point you're acting as domestic domestic entity. I have the free right of travel. >> You do not have the right to drive a vehicle on the public roadway in the state of Illinois without a license. >> I feel like you are forcing and aiding me into committing fraud and I don't have to do that. >> How am I aiding? >> Because you're asking for the >> corporation back. >> I'm asking for your name. >> I've already expatriated. I'm not part of the corporation anymore. >> I have a document filed in 40 states right now because of this. >> Do you have anybody else? >> This would be retaliation. I don't >> I'm not forcing you to do anything. [music] I'm not forcing you in commerce. No, >> you are. You're forcing me to identify and I don't have to do that. >> You do have to do that. >> No, I don't even have to answer questions. >> You don't have to answer questions. You do have to identify yourself. You are required to hand me a driver's license. >> If I am an employee of the corporation and I am not and you know that >> you have to hand me a driver's license if you're driving. >> I don't have one. >> Okay. So, we're not You don't have a license? >> I don't have anything. You have no identification. I have nothing. >> Okay. Step out of the vehicle. >> No, I'm I'm not stepping. >> Step out of the vehicle. Out of the vehicle. >> I'm not stepping out of the vehicle. Okay. You can have You can have the name. >> You can have the name. >> We're done with that. Step out of the vehicle. >> I'm not doing this. My mother is >> My mother was just released. She's 96 [music] lbs right now. >> I understand that. And you're the one stopping home. You're the one stopping you from Okay, then let me get home. Let me get >> But you don't have a license. You just told me you don't have a license. Well, >> do you have a license or you don't have a license? >> I don't have anything with me. >> Do you have a license? >> Were you ever given a license? >> Yes. >> Is it valid at this time? >> Yes. >> After running a background check on Jennifer, the officers discovered that she deliberately provided false information. She had done so thinking that it would give her a chance to get out of the mess. But what Jennifer did not know was that she was dealing with officers who had zero patience for her delusion. >> Jennifer, are you still living in Wheeling? >> Yep. 1747. >> Okay. So, your license was suspended in May. >> What? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, what does that mean? >> So, that means you can't drive the car. >> Okay. So, I'll park it. >> Uh, you can't drive the car. You are under arrest for driving on a suspended license. So, I am going to need you to step out of the vehicle. I'm going to take you back to the police department. You're going to be photographed, fingerprinted, and issued citations. >> You can't just give me a warning. I can park the car and I can walk. >> Nope. How are you going to walk all the way back to Wheeling? >> I'm going to walk. >> My mom is at >> Your mom is at Is she close? >> Yeah. >> Where is she? >> She's in Bensonville. She's staying with a friend right now. >> Okay. Once we're done processing you, I can drive you to Bensonville if you would like me to drive you to Bensonville. But because the car has no insurance, no valid plates, and you are driving it suspended, park it here. >> The vehicle has to be towed. >> I'll get somebody to tow it. >> I have to tow it. >> No, you don't have to tow it. That would be commerce. >> Yeah, I do. >> You would be charging me for >> All right, come out of the car. >> You would be charging me. Please don't. Please don't. >> Please get out of the car. Please don't. >> You have been told you're under arrest. >> Give me Can you give me just a moment? Can you give me just a moment? Under arrest. >> Can you give me just a moment? You have told you can you give me just a moment for you to get out of the car. Can you give me just a moment so I can call my mother? Can you give me just a moment? Can you please give me just a moment? >> Can you call her from out here? >> Can you give me just a moment? >> If you get out of the car, I will let you give me just a moment. >> If you let If you get out of the car just a moment if you get out of the car, I will let you >> Can you stop? Don't do that. Don't >> Thank you. Thank you. Sneeed it off. Okay. >> If you get out of the car, I'll let you call your mother. In the past, Jennifer had found herself in similar encounters, pushing officers buttons, testing their patience, and walking away without learning much from the experience. Those past escapes had her convinced that she could still maneuver her way out. >> Can call your mom when you step out. I'm calling her right now. >> When you step out of the car when you step out of the car, >> please don't damage my Don't damage my property. >> Don't damage my property. >> Just get out of the car. >> I'm not going to damage your property. >> Jennifer, just get out of the car. >> I I get out of the car. >> You're forcing me. >> You're making us force. I got I got your hands off me. Put your hands behind your hands off me. I do not consent. I cannot consent. >> I will put that in my my I'm calling my mom. She said if I got out she would allow me to call myself to pull you out. I'll let you call her in a second. >> I do not consent. I do not consent to this unlawful detention. >> I do not consent. I do not consent. You do not pull away. >> I do not consent. I do not consider I understand that. Okay, great. That's great. You're under arrest anyway. >> Okay. If you again, >> stop doing that. I don't need to be treated that way. >> I am not resisting. I am not resisting. Relax your hands. >> I am not resisting. Stop. >> Stop. >> All right. >> Stop. >> This hand >> again. I am not resisting my I am not a criminal. >> There you go. >> I am not a criminal. Is there anything on you that's illegal? No. Any weapons on you? Anything that might do to anything? I do not consent to any search. I do not consent. >> I do not consent. >> This was incident. >> You can't take my card. >> You cannot take my >> It's going with you. >> You cannot take that. >> Do you want this to stay in the car or do you want this to go with you? >> Please don't do that. Don't Don't tighten. >> I'm locking them so they don't get any more tight. >> Then I'll central. You want this with you or in the car? >> Put it You can put it back in my pocket. >> Well, it's coming out of your pocket when we get to the jail anyway. So, do you want this to come with you or left in the car? >> Please. >> You're not being released until you're done being processed. I guess it's coming with >> I do not consent to this. I understand you don't. >> I do not. I don't have anything. I have nothing. I have to check you and make sure you have nothing in your >> I have nothing. >> I have nothing. >> Do you need anything from the car? A wallet? >> I don't have your house. >> No, nothing from the car. You just need your cell phone? >> My keys? I just had them. >> Keys to the house? Are there keys to your house on there? >> And the phone. Okay. >> All right. In the end, she was charged with driving without lights when required, operating a vehicle with expired registration, driving with a suspended license, and resisting a police officer. Jennifer was a handful to deal with, but she was probably not as delusional as this lady who thought she had immunity to drive without a license because she was a first class member of a sovereign movement. >> I'm said I'm a foreign state national, >> right? So, >> that's what I am. >> So, you're a foreign state national. >> Yes. And if you run, >> you're claiming diplomatic immunity, correct? Get out of here. [screaming] >> On February the 29th, 2024, at around 2 p.m. in Florida, officers from the Edgewater Police Department on patrol cited a woman driving a car with an expired license. Without delay, the officer pulled the woman over. But the moment he reached the driver's window, what was supposed to be a quick traffic stop spiraled into a moot court with no judge on the bench. >> Do you have an actual driver's license? >> Oh, that is my ID. I'm an American national. >> Okay, that's not a thing. Yeah. >> Um, do you have a registration and valid proof of insurance? >> I'm not engaging in the commercial use of the highways or byways, nor am I operating in a for higher capacity. I'm a foreign national exempt from foreign law under amendment 11 of both the Constitution and the Constitution of the United States, and I claim all my exemptions. Over the years, the officers had seen sovereign citizen Karens pull every trick in the book when caught violating traffic laws. But this time, the protest came wrapped in constitutional arguments delivered with unwavering confidence. >> Okay. So, do you have any other documentation from the United States government saying that you're exempt from these or that you're a uh >> I don't have my paperwork in the car with me, but I do have it. >> And that's my form of ID and those are my private notes on the car. >> Okay. This is a passport. Okay. So, I'm aware of your group that you're with. This doesn't grant you any rights to drive. >> I will. Do you have a driver's license in any state in the United States? >> No. >> No. Okay. Do you have any other documentation? Nothing from the United States government saying you're you're you're you have diplomatic immunity. >> My paperwork is on my house. >> Okay. Are you aware that in the United States when you're a diplomat inside the Are you claiming to be a diplomat? Is that what you're saying? >> No. I'm said I'm a foreign state national, >> right? So >> that's what I am. >> So you're a foreign state national. >> Yes. And if you run my claiming diplomatic immunity, correct? >> If you run my passport, you you'll be able to see my documents there. >> That's it reflects. >> So, do you have a a driver's license in any state in the United States? >> That is my form of ID, sir. >> Do you have a driver's license? That's not my question. Do you have a driver's license? You do not. Okay. >> No, that is my form of ID. >> Do you have a registration or a valid proof of insurance for the vehicle? >> It's a yes or no question. >> No. >> Okay. Any particular reason he wasn't seat belted? No, he had >> he was hanging out the window. Yeah, but when we were behind him, he didn't have his seat belt. >> All the way through school. >> Okay. Where did you obtain that tag? >> From uh Forstein National Guy in Alabama who makes the planes. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> So, you're aware that in the United States and in the the the state of Florida, you're required to have specific tags that actually go to the vehicle and is registered? Are you aware that? >> My private automobile. >> Okay. >> You've been filled with some false information. So, in the state of Florida, you're required to have a driver's license. >> I'm not sure many people are aware. >> We are. I I have I have I have read a lot about the foreign state national. >> I don't know. I feel like they give a um people a bad rap because I've got I've been in situations before where I try to explain to them and they keep calling me sovereign citizen and like, >> well, that's what it is. If you look, no, it's not. >> It is. It's not. And when you look it up on the internet, it'll tell you, right? But it'll it'll explain it as a >> essentially essentially it's a sovereign it is a sovereign citizen entity. >> While the driver remains lost in her own version of reality, swatting away every question the officers asked as though she had rehearsed the responses beforehand. She failed to realize that she was dealing with officers whose patience had long since run thin. >> Can you hand me the keys? >> No, I cannot. Can you >> step out of the car for me? Oh no. Get out of the car. Unlock it. >> Can you unlock it? >> Your car has been forwarded to voicemail. >> Step out the car. >> Step out the car. >> Step out of the car. Get away from me. >> Step out of the car. Step out of the car. >> Get out of the car. Stop. >> Get away from me. GET OUT OF THE CAR. Get out of the car. >> Get out of the car now. Get out of the car. >> Get out of the car. [screaming] Get your hand back. >> I know she's your mom. >> I know she's your mom. I know something. >> Your mom's fine. Okay, >> go back. Go back in the car. >> Go back in the car. [screaming] >> It's okay. We're going to come take her to the grass and you guys can talk to me. Okay. Step away from her. >> It's already bad enough my father too. >> SHE'S THE ONLY PERSON I HAVE. PLEASE [screaming] >> step back over here. >> Please. >> Go back to the car. Please. Your mom's going to be okay. >> Your mom's going to be okay. >> Just don't. >> We're not going to hit her. Your mom's going to be okay. >> She's the only person I have. >> I did something wrong. >> Okay. These are my children. Please go back. Go back. Come here. Get these kids away from me. >> They forced me out of my car and dragged me on THE FLOOR LIKE WITH ANIMALS. >> I said nothing at all. I don't >> stand up your phone. >> Walk over to that car. >> I can't believe you're doing this. >> Grab that one. >> Nothing wrong. >> Come here, bud. Come here. >> Come on. Step over here. Let's see. So, you did >> tried to talk to you. >> No, but you weren't dragged me out of my car like that. You had no right. >> I'm not a US citizen. >> Okay, I understand you're doing your job and all that, but I did nothing wrong. And now you're of course pushing me into the car. You're under arrest. >> Why? >> Cuz you kicked me. Battery on a law enforcement officer. You did. It's on camera. You did kick me. You did kick me. >> No, I didn't. >> You were pushing me, pulling me out of my car. >> Come right here. >> Yep. She wants to play games like this. >> I'm not playing any games. >> Do you want to have a conversation? [laughter] >> My son, >> we're we're calling to get somebody to come pick you up. Do you have a valid license? >> Do you do you have a license right now? >> No. I don't need no license. I don't need a license. >> Well, in the state of Florida, you have to have a valid driver's license to drive a motor vehicle on the roadway. You understand that, right? >> Being a police officer is an inherently dangerous job. So, when you're told to do something and you tell them no, we're going to then make you do it. That's just the way it works. This whole sovereign, >> but it's still not great. They've released you. I did not hurt anyone. I was not thrilled with the crime. >> You committed >> He dragged me up. >> You committed a misdemeanor in the state of Florida. >> Legs animals. >> Well, you kicked him, >> sir. I did not kick him. He's dragging my legs and I'm trying to pull my legs back to sit up in my seat. >> You were not kicked. It was not intentionally. While she sat there drowning in regret and finally coming to terms with the fact that being a sovereign citizen Karen often comes with a hefty price tag, the officers had little time to dwell on her downfall as they had something more disturbing to sort out. >> Do you have someone we can call that can pick the kids up? >> I'm trying to call. >> Okay. Well, I have your phone. Do you want me to try to call him for you? >> I'm not going to give you your phone now. What's your PIN? Or you don't have to give me it, but I'm trying to make a phone call. >> Put my pin in. >> Sure. Adult >> detained a female for searchable. >> Adult male baker 1446. >> No, THEY ARRESTED ME AND THEY HAVE THE KIDS. I did nothing. >> Move your foot. >> And he dragged ME OUT OF MY CAR. They dragged ME OUT OF THE CAR. >> This is Officer Finger with the Edgewater Police Department. Who am I speaking with? This is Joshua. What's going on? >> Um, are you relate? Are you husband or father of the kid? >> NO, DON'T TOUCH ME. >> I'M NOT GOING TO TOUCH YOU. >> UM, are you able to try to respond to take the kid? She's under arrest for battery on a law enforcement officer and resisting an officer with violence. >> It doesn't seem like her. I don't understand what's >> Okay. Well, you can review the body camera footage cuz it it was her. So, do you want to respond to take the kids? >> Talk to dad. I can see if I can get someone closer. Can you give me Can you give me five minutes? >> Sure. >> Okay. >> Yep. You can just call her number back if you want. >> Okay. >> Thanks. >> After several minutes of working to get the children to safety, a family friend and close neighbor named Maya arrived at the scene to take custody of them. At first, her arrival seemed like the final piece of the puzzle, but that sense of relief would soon prove to be shortlived. >> Hello. >> Hello. Are you Maya? >> Yes, I am. >> Gotcha. Six alpha. >> You realize all your cars. Do you have a driver's license? >> I do. >> Can I Can we see it so we can make sure? >> You realize in the state of Florida, your vehicle has to be registered, right? >> It is registered. >> So, she's going to walk home with your kids. She's not driving her car either. Her car is getting towed just like yours. You guys have to have registered vehicles in the state of Florida. They have to be registered. That's the bottom line. >> But here's the other thing you have to understand, right? Her vehicle's being towed, but she's walking home with your kids because of how she reacted. Okay? She didn't kick me. She didn't put her hands on a police officer screaming at me back and let me know. Oh, okay. >> Hey, I'm right. I'm right here. It's It's Sergeant Benz. Um, you're going to be able to take her kids. Yes. >> Um, you're going to receive a citation for unregistered motor vehicle. Um, your vehicle is going to get towed by Edgewater Towing and you'll be able to walk home with the kids. >> Did you hear that? They want to tow my car. >> They They can tow it. It's not >> And he can hear you're on the speaker if you want to say something. >> It's a vehicle that has four wheels and it's powered by a motor. It is a motor vehicle, sir. >> Except it's registered as automobile. >> No, no, no, sir. It's It's It's going to get towed. She's gonna get a ticket and she'll be on her way. >> Okay. But it shouldn't be towed. But I mean, we're not causing a problem, but it should not be towed. >> Well, it's it's not registered. The Florida registration on it was cancelled, so therefore it's no longer registered, >> right? And she doesn't actually need a registration. Uh it is a private property. It's private automobile. It's a >> trust. It is in a trust. >> Yes. So, you keep that in mind. >> If you do if you do, >> it's going to cost you guys a lot. any problem. But if you do tow, there's there are going to be issues. It's it's in a trust. It's private property. It is not to be towed. If you run her passport, it'll show you that you're not supposed to even question or detain her for any reason. >> So, we're not questioning or detaining her. She actually showed up at the traffic stop at the request of the other female to pick up her kids. It was discovered when she got her here that her vehicle was unregistered. >> It doesn't have to be registered. We have we have proof from the Department of Motor Vehicles from um uh Department of Transportation. It doesn't have to be registered. >> They say the Department of Transportation is not real. I don't know what that means. >> But again, it does not have to be registered. So, please reconsider towing it because uh it that's in violation. >> I got you. >> Okay. I've reconsidered it and it's still going to get towed. Okay. Are you towing her cars? >> Um, I'm taking >> It would really help if you let me take my car. >> It's not registered, ma'am. >> It is registered. I I don't know how to >> Where's it registered? >> With the DOT, US DOT with the with the transportation your company all all your >> No, City of Edgewater. We don't work for DOT, ma'am. >> I know you don't work, but >> Well, you said my company. It's not my company. But it is registered as a private property and it's put in trust. So it should technically be treated differently than cars that are on roads that are in commerce. Correct. >> No. >> Yes. >> What do you mean in commerce? >> What law are you basing this off of? >> Constitution? >> Okay. >> I have US Constitution talks about commerce vehicles >> and on Supreme Court. Actually, if you have time and you want >> Nope, I'm not going to read any of your paperwork. You can bring that to your court date if you want. Uh, but your vehicle is going to be code today, >> right? But I do have a right to be without a driver license and without the registration. >> That's not true. Not in the state of Florida. Not in the United States. >> I would appreciate if you and you and you give me your business card. >> Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. >> My name and everything's like that. The bottom of your ticket, the easiest thing for you to do is put >> Do you have any Do you have any questions or anything else you need to say? Cuz we're going to get her and the kids out of here before it starts raining. >> Experience. >> That's all I can say. Thank you. >> You're very welcome. >> Are we free to go? Yes, ma'am. >> In the end, she was charged with driving with no valid driver's license, resisting an officer with violence, and battery on a law enforcement officer. Speaking of sovereign citizens going off the rails, here is 35-year-old Haley Brook Smith, a sovereign delusional Karen who thought she wasn't just a citizen, but a custodian of some weird law. >> You got your license, registration, proof of insurance. >> You don't have to have a license to drive cars. >> Yes. Yes, you do. >> You do not. I know my rights. >> What right is that? I I do not have to have a driver's license to drive a car. I am not This is not a commercial vehicle. I don't I don't have to have a driver's license to drive a vehicle. >> Okay. And what state is that? >> Any state. It's common law. Natural law. >> On January the 17th, 2022, at around 2 a.m. in Florida, Officer Banks and his supervisor watched as 35-year-old Haley Brooks Smith came barreling down the road at 54 miles per hour in a 35 zone. Concerned that she might be dealing with an emergency, the officers wasted no time in catching up with her. But the moment they pulled her over, they were so disappointed with what happened next. >> Officer Banks call police. I pull you over. You're doing 54 and a 35. Any reason for that speed tonight? >> Where's the 35 >> before you got off the bridge? And as soon as you came off the bridge, all this is 35. >> I was going 40, I thought. >> Nope. You got your license, registration, proof of insurance. >> You don't have to have a license to drive car. >> Yes. Yes, you do. >> You do not. Officer Banks could tell from Haley's demeanor and the way she responded to simple questions from the moment he approached the vehicle that he had pulled over a sovereign citizen who had no idea that he too was a zero tolerance officer. >> Ma'am, step out the vehicle. >> Step out the vehicle. >> Am I Am I a crime? >> Yeah, you are being detained right now. Step out the vehicle, young lady. >> I I know my rights. >> Either you step out the vehicle or I will remove you from the vehicle. >> I know my rights. >> 157 sovereign supervis. I know my right. >> What right is that? >> I I do not have to have a driver's license to drive a car. I am not This is not a commercial vehicle. >> Okay. >> I know my right. >> Okay. Are you failing to give me your driver's license? >> I don't have to give you a driver's license to drive a car. This is not a commercial vehicle. >> Okay. >> I'm not driving. I'm traveling. >> Okay. >> I have all the laws back here. >> Okay. So, you're not going to give me a driver's license? >> I'm not going to give you a driver's license. I don't have to give you a driver's license. >> Okay. >> I'm I'm traveling. I don't I don't have to have a driver's license to drive a vehicle. >> Okay. And what state is that? >> Any state. It's common law. Natural law. >> Okay. >> Constitutional law. >> Okay. >> You need to get a supervisor out here. >> I do? >> Yes. >> You do need a license to drive a vehicle. >> And you do have to identify yourself to these officers. >> I I do not have to have a license to drive a vehicle. >> Yes, you do. >> I do not. Haley seemed to believe that her sovereign citizen playbook was all she needed to go toe-to-toe with Officer Banks, just as she had done in previous encounters. While Haley was busy trying to establish dominance, she failed to notice that Officer Banks wasn't the type of officer that could be rattled by roadside legal theories. And the confidence that she had arrived with was about to be put to the test in a way she never anticipated. Out of the car now. Undo the seat belt. >> Turn the vehicle off. >> Turn it off now. >> Officer, unbuckle. >> Put all that down. Step out. Turn around. face away from me. >> Turn off face away. Turn around. >> I do not have to have a driver's license to drive a vehicle. >> Yes, you do. >> I need to call I need to call somebody. Yes, I do. >> You call somebody from Santa Rosa County Jail. >> I live right down there. >> Where is your ID out of or your license out of >> Mississippi? >> I just thought you didn't have one. You just said you don't need one. >> This is This is This is ridiculous. >> It's not ridiculous. We're not going to play any of these games with you tonight. >> You can't arrest me. I haven't done anything wrong. If you don't have a valid driver's license, we most certainly can. >> Can I at least lock my car? >> We will make sure it is secure. >> What are you going to do with my car? >> Probably tell it. >> With Haley secured in the back of the cruiser, the officers began to search her car. Before long, they found something inside that explains why she had been so uneasy from the moment they made first contact. >> Give me your full name. Inside the vehicle, you are under under arrest now for possession of felony narcotics. >> I didn't give y'all permission to search our vehicle either. >> Your vehicle's being towed. We're inventorying it. We're not searching it. >> Yes, you are. You're searching my vehicle. >> You say that our laws don't matter to you. So, what does it matter? >> I don't have to mind laws that aren't that aren't valid. >> They're valid laws. >> They are not valid laws. >> The United States and the state of Florida seem to think they are. >> The United States has a constitution. >> I know the Constitution, too. I also know that the states have the right to govern themselves, >> has been turned into decide which laws to follow. take orders from anybody. >> Nobody's giving you orders. >> In the end, she was charged with dangerous excessive speeding, failure to carry a driver's license, and possession of a controlled substance. Still on sovereign citizens, going wild against officers, here's a crazy driver who thought she had all it took to face off a complete team of officers. >> Well, depending two different things as far as my >> my constitutional rights that I'm allotted to. Don't you raise me. You don't know me. >> At around 2 a.m. on a lonely Florida highway, officers pulled over a woman for driving without a license. Immediately, an officer was assigned to interrogate her. From the officer's experience, stops like these often led to the discovery of stolen vehicles, false identities, or other hidden surprises. But this night was different. >> Roll down your window. What's going on? >> Hi. >> How are you? >> I'm fine. How are you? >> Good. Well, officer Ney with the Orange City Police Department. Do you have your license and insurance? >> I absolutely no. I am not injured or licensed. I am not with Commerce. >> I am not David $1971. >> Go ahead. >> Another code one, please. All right. Do you have an ID on you? >> I do. >> Okay. Where's that at? >> It's actually in my phone. The um only recognizable one, I guess, to the state is on my phone. >> I copy. recognizable to the state. What do you mean? >> Um I have a um a picture of my ID, I guess. >> Okay. >> Why don't [snorts] you roll this window down? We'll take a look at it. >> Okay. >> Go ahead. >> How are you today? >> Good. >> Go ahead. >> Whose car is it? >> This is currently my property. >> Okay. >> Have you ever had a driver's license? I did, but I resigned my driver's license. >> How long ago did you resign it? >> Uh, it's been two months, three month. >> Okay. >> One on three months. >> Why did you resign it? >> Uh, because I no longer uh commerce with Florida. >> I no longer deal with commerce. So, >> I didn't find the need to. I still have a >> You still have to have a driver's license. >> Well, I'm no longer driving. I'm traveling. >> You're driving? >> I I'm [music] traveling. >> Okay. So, is that is that why we don't have a uh plate on the car? >> Yes, sir. >> Where where you is this your current address for you? >> Um >> over in Daytona? >> Actually, no. Because I do have a um >> because I am uh got a resident thing. I do >> cuz you are what? I'm sorry. >> I do live on the land. >> Okay. >> So, I don't have a residence, but this is what you guys recognize as of right now. >> Where where would you get mail at? I >> I don't get receive mail. Okay. So, so you don't have a physical address or a place that you receive mail >> as of right now? No. >> Okay. So, so would you consider yourself transient? >> I'm sorry. >> Would you would you be transient? You just >> I I >> I guess I'm not I guess I'm not understanding. >> I do if I was Well, I I can explain this to you. I am a resident. I'm not not a resident, but I do live off Korean. I am a Florida. Um, I have been living on the land of Titaria, which is the original land name. Mhm. >> Of the United States, I guess you want to call it before Gamer Corporation. So, that's what I'm currently doing. Um, I do have some identification as far as my information to show you if you would like to see that. >> What What What do you got for that? >> It's basically stating that I am no longer a um state of the ward. I'm sorry. Word of the state [music] and I currently um >> Yes, the call paper is >> not a siren, but I am a native of land. I'm a Aboriginal. Okay. >> So, I'm just going to get the VIN number off your car. Okay. >> And what does that need for? >> So, I can identify the car since it doesn't have a plate on it. >> Okay. >> Cuz you have to have a license plate on the car. >> Well, sir, I just stay with the cars. I am not contracted with Yeah, >> but you don't have to be. If you're driving on the roads of the state of Florida, you call it travel and we call it driving. >> Well, the person calling gives two different things as far as my constitutional rights that I'm allotted to and that's before the United States was considered any constitutional. Well, that was after So, sit tight for just a minute. Okay. >> While she remained convinced that she was calling the shots, she continued searching for new ways to prove that she was a stonehard sovereign citizen. >> All right, go ahead and step out for me. >> Uh, for what? >> Step out of the car. >> For what? >> Cuz I'm telling you to step out of the car. >> And what is your reason? What's the reason? >> Cuz you're under arrest. Get out of the car. >> For what? They're stating that I'm under arrest. What am I under arrest for? >> You got one more chance. Get out of the car. >> What am I under? >> What am I under arrest for? >> You have no driver's license. Get out of >> car. >> What am I under arrest for? >> Get out of the car. >> What am I under arrest? >> I just explained that to you. >> What am I under arrest for? >> I just explained that to you. >> You see, they're [music] strong army. >> You're under arrest. >> They have no right to What am I under >> What am I under arrest for? If you didn't me any What is your bond number? What is your bond number? >> No. What is your bond number? >> Please step out of the vehicle. >> What is your bond number? I am stepping out of the vehicle. I am a I'm able to step out of the vehicle by myself. >> Okay. Please. >> What is What is your bond number? Can I get your bond number? >> Please step out. >> Don't you know me? What is your bond number? What is your bond number? >> Put your hand behind your back. >> What is your bond number? >> My son. >> Ask for your badge number. I ask for your bond number. You see this? They're not allowing your bond number. What is your bond number? Officers, you see that live? You see that? You see that? Oh, it's okay. It's okay. Cuz if my property get damaged, they know exactly what happened to it. >> They know exactly what happened to it. You pushed it out of my hand. Thank you. Thank you. Live. Share it to everyone. Share it to everyone. Officer, can I get your name? Brother Slow down. >> Public officer, can I get your name? >> You will. Can I get your name now? >> Can I get your name now? >> You I'm cuffed. Can I get your name now? >> You will. I'm cuffed. Can I get your name now? >> As of right now, >> Yep. >> And officer stand. >> Stand by. >> Stand. I'm looking to make sure I know exactly who I'm I'm >> going to be suing. Thank you. >> You will. >> No, I would like to see my phone. >> Okay. Do you need medical will remain in my person? >> My phone needs to remain in my person. >> Do you need medical attention? >> I do need medical attention. >> You see how he pulling me though? >> You're supposed to be You're a black man. You should be protecting black women. Do you see how he's Do you see how he's handling me? >> Okay. Do you have >> You're supposed to be protecting black women. Do you have any? >> Do you see how he's how he's handling it, >> ma'am? Are you >> Do you see how he's handling? >> Are you listening? Okay. Are you listening? >> Are you listening? >> Are you listening? >> Are you listening? What am I under arrest for? I still don't know what I'm for. No, you did not >> for driving without a license. >> For drive, but I'm not a current citizen of the state. >> I'm not a citizen. >> I'm not a citizen. My current resident is 29.76.8. 8794. >> That's where? >> That's my current address. That's where I currently stay. >> That's where? >> That's where I currently stay. >> In United States. >> Yes, it's No, it's in Titania. >> It's in the land of Titarian. >> Deep down, the woman had already begun to realize that she had picked a fight with the wrong set of officers as the consequences were becoming harder to ignore with every passing minute. And at the moment, the writing was already on the wall and reality was serving her a bitter pill to swallow. But being both a Karen and a committed sovereign citizen, backing down was never really an option. >> Hey, I'm Officer Rodriguez. >> Titer Officer Rodriguez. I'm going to serve truth. >> You have anything on you? Anything illegal? >> If you do take it to the jail, you will be charged with a felony. >> I'm not going to jail. >> Okay. I am a current I am a current national aboriginalist of the not even United States of Titaria and they are currently trying to kidnap me because I do not possess what they would consider a driver's license and I am not driving. I am traveling. >> Oh, I will let No, I need my phone. Yeah, we will get your phone. >> I need my phone and my and my person. >> I will give it to you. Just give me >> I need my phone and my pencil of right now. As a black man, please respect me. And they can still hold me right here, but I need my phone before I get in that car. >> No, you will get your phone. >> I need that. I I need that phone before I get in that car. >> No one has their phone in the back seat. No one. >> That's the back seat. It's under the tire. I need my phone before I get the car. I'm going to put you in the car. >> And you supposed to be for a black woman. >> Get in the car. Are you not? >> I am for the law. Get in the car. Get in the car. >> Not now. >> Get in the car. >> WHAT IS YOUR B NUMBER? WHAT IS YOUR B NUMBER? WHAT IS YOUR B NUMBER? WHAT IS YOUR B NUMBER? WHAT IS YOUR B NUMBER? WHAT IS YOUR B NUMBER? >> What's your foot? What's your foot? Sorry. >> You need to hobble her bond number. >> Aubrey, we're going to put your seat back. Everyone's bond number. >> Okay, we'll give it to you. >> I need everyone's bond number as well as all of my I need everyone's bond number. >> Aubrey, can you please lift your legs up? >> I'm not assisting in you. I'm not assisting in you kidnapping me. >> WE'RE NOTING YOU. >> HOW THE HELL areing you, sir? If you continue to injure me, I will I will be forced to injure you back. >> If you continue to injure me, I will be forced to myself. >> I am not calm. >> I am not assisting in youing. >> I am not assisting in youing me. >> If I step out, I will get out of this vehicle. I am not assisting. I AM NOT assisting in you. I am not assisting you. >> I will not [music] assist any. >> All right. Lift your leg up. I will not assist any in you. >> All right, stop. Stop. I will not assist you. You will get a child. >> I am not assisting in anyone me. I am not assisting in anyone me. >> All right, calm down. >> I'm hot. >> If you kick, you're going to get another charge. >> I am very calm. I'm not trying to kick you. I AM TRYING TO KICK IT. >> I'M being >> I need everyone's buy number. Everyone's buy number. I don't need to call anyone. I am my own lawyer. I need everyone's bond number. Thank you. Everyone's bond number. Especially his. Especially his. I I plan on getting a good Thank you. Thank you. I guess I needed to put up a fight and you guys not. [laughter] That's fine. That's fine. I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF SAFE. I AM. AND THAT IS A CHARGE. THAT IS A CHARGE BECAUSE I AM A SOVEREIGN AND THIS is not THE WAY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO TEACH treat anyone. I am being >> In the end, she was charged with no valid driver's license, resisting an officer with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer. Unlike the woman you just watched, meet a psychos sovereign citizen who genuinely believed she understood the law better than law enforcement officers enforcing it. under normal conditions travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places. >> You do have a right to travel. You have a right to travel by your feet or your force, but you have to have a driver's license. >> No, you do not. I know you're an officer and you think you know all the laws. Sorry, but nobody knows all the laws. >> Face that way and put your hands behind your back. >> Ow. >> On April the 5th, 2022, a police officer initiated a routine traffic stop for expired tags. Little did he know he was about to encounter a self-proclaimed sovereign citizen who would test the limits of his patience and training. >> Hi there. >> Y officer Kennedy murder pictures in our conversation being recorded today. >> Yes, it is. >> Reason for the stop today is that I know your tags are expired. Do you have your license on now? Is that a firearm under your jacket? Don't reach for it. Just answer it. But I don't know. I'm asking if it's a firearm. So, if you reach for it, we have issues. It is. >> Okay. Don't ever reach for it. Okay. >> Okay. Will you do me a favor? I'd like to remove that from you. >> I would rather remove it myself. >> You're not going to do that. >> You're not going to put a fire. Okay. So, just hear me out. Stop talking. >> Just let me explain. Okay. It's for my safety. I don't mean any harm to you. >> Excuse me, but I It's about my safety. >> Okay. I'm not going to hurt you, nor am I putting off an intimidation. >> I'm not going to hurt you. >> This is what I would like to do. Okay. All I would like you to do is just cross your fingers like this. Put your hand on your head and I'd like to just grab it and take it out. I'm not going to >> I do not want my my weapon outside of my vehicle. >> Where's your ID? >> I do not want my weapon outside of the vehicle. >> Where is your ID? >> I'm willing to put my weapon on the dash so that you can clearly see. >> Do not touch that gun. >> Fine. >> Then it'll attack. Put the paperwork on the dash for me. >> Put the paperwork on the dash. >> Why? because I'm telling you to and it's a lawful order. Put the paperwork on the dash now and put your hands on the steering wheel and don't move them. Okay? You're being confrontational. You have a firearm. We're not going to play that game. I'm going to get your name, date of birth, and I'm going to continue my traffic stop. Do you understand that the >> That's fine. I recommend that. Well, if you're not going to plead the fifth, you're going to need to present me with an ID. Can you point to where your ID is? >> No, sir. You told me to put my hands on this. >> You told me you were going to plead the fist, which means you're not going to talk anymore. Okay. If you're not going to talk, you can't tell me your name and your date of birth. Does that make sense? So, will you tell me your name and date of birth? >> Not until I uh present this paperwork. >> Okay. 326. Can I get another unit? I'm going to get my chief down here for you. Okay. >> Keep your hands right where they're at. I will keep them there as long as I can. >> Okay, perfect. >> They need to remain there and your hand needs to stay away from that. >> And I already told you I will keep them there as long as I can. This is not exactly a comfortable position. >> Not yet. Female's verbally uncooperative. >> I am not uncooperative. I am simply answering you without >> at this time. The driver's confrontational attitude quickly turned a simple traffic stop into a powder keg. As tensions rose, the officer found himself in a delicate dance between maintaining authority and avoiding escalation. >> See, you guys always do that. You guys always make something up that isn't there. >> What did I make up today? Ma'am, >> you're saying I'm being confrontational. I'm not being confrontational. >> Maybe let me use a different word. Argumentative. Well, maybe argumentative, but I'd say so are you because you're not getting everything you want exactly when you want it. >> Yeah, because I got to survive every contact and I'm going to get what I want when there's a firearm involved. >> You know what happen? >> I'm sorry, but it's the police that have proved themselves to be unreliable. >> Oh, yeah. Have you ever met me before? >> Yes, I have. >> You've met me. Where did you meet me? >> Matter of fact, really doesn't matter. >> Okay. So, you haven't met me. So therefore, you have no idea whether I'm reliable or not. >> All I know is you're wearing a monkey suit. >> A monkey suit? I believe it's a police uniform and a badge. But that's fine. I get what you're trying to do. You're you're mad at the badge, not at me. I'm just trying to go home every day. >> Trust the badge. >> Okay. You don't have to trust me. But I also I not that I don't trust you. I can't trust you because I don't know you. Okay. I stop hundreds and I stop hundreds, possibly thousands of people every year. And I have to survive each of those contacts for >> a duration of 25 years. >> I understand that. >> I know how to do that and I know how I want people to react if they do have a firearm. And so that's what I go off of. Okay. >> And I was willing to compromise with you, but you're not willing to compromise. You want it. >> What is the compromise? >> I am willing to put it on the dash or even to allow you to put it on the dash. I am not willing to allow you to remove it from my vehicle. Okay, I can work with you on that a little bit. If I'm going to put it on your dash, I'm going to unload it first. >> That's fine. >> Okay. >> After a heated exchange, the driver finally agreed to let the officer secure her firearm. But this small victory was just the eye of the storm, and the officer had no idea what was coming next. >> Will you put your hands on your head with your fingers crossed so I can remove it from you? Thank you. >> I appreciate that. >> Any other firearms with you? No. >> Can I put my hands down? >> Yes, ma'am. >> If you could keep them at least visible, that would be wonderful. >> Now, can I begin going over this paperwork with me that you're going to thoroughly disagree with me on anyway? >> I I'm not saying I'm going to disagree with you. It may be legitimate. Okay, >> it is legitimate. >> I've done my own. >> Once I get this done, we'll move on with the rest of the stop. a lot easier with this personal deal. >> You don't you don't get to decide how things go. >> Okay. I'm I'm all about >> I'm all about respecting you and trying to work with you. >> I was trying to be helpful. >> You were not. I was I was asking you to do something refusing to. >> I was talking about with getting the bullets out of the gun. I was just >> It would have been easier and faster to get the bullets out if you'd have pushed the release. >> Okay, >> that's all I was trying to say. >> Before that, I was giving you a lawful order and you were refusing to obey that for personal feelings. I understand that you did not prefer it that way, but there's times during a traffic stop or an interaction with somebody. >> You have to set your personal opinion or feelings aside to obey a lawful order. put my weapon on my dash >> afterwards. >> Correct. >> After I told you >> to put my weapon. >> We're going to stop this. I'm going to wait for the chief and we'll go from there. I'm going to put it on the dash now. You need to not reach for it and I'm going to put it on that side. Will you roll that window down? >> I have to turn >> just turn it turn it to the on. Yeah. Accelerator on. That's fine. >> Sorry. Actually, I'm going to I'm going to just I'm going to hold it here until the chief's here. >> When asked for identification, the driver unleashed a barrage of pseudo legal arguments that would make any constitutional [music] lawyer cringe. The officer was about to learn firsthand why sovereign citizens are considered the torment of law enforcement. >> Okay. Where's your identification at? >> Just wait for your key. >> Fine with me. Ma'am, is there a reason that you're being difficult? I'm >> trying to give you every opportunity to >> quite honestly, I don't feel like repeating myself. And if I go through all this with you, then I have to go over it yet again with the chief. >> Okay? >> I don't feel like repeating myself. >> Okay? >> So, I am not refusing to identify. I am simply requesting that you take into account that there's more to it than maybe even what you know. I know you're an officer and you think you know all the laws. Sorry, but nobody knows all the laws. >> Never claim to. >> I would certainly hope not. >> I feel bad for anybody that that has to. So, chief, will you roll that window down for the chief so we can hear everything that's being said? >> The arrival of the police chief brought hope for a quick resolution. However, the driver's continuous refusal to cooperate was about to turn this traffic stop into a full-blown legal circus. >> Okay. Can I have your license, please? >> Just real quick, man. I'm just so chief know I got my camera going, too. So, this recording, >> I've got my camera recording as well. >> Okay. Now, as I told you before, before I relinquish my information, I am going to go over this paperwork. >> Okay, that's fine. So, as you're asking me for my driver's license, do want you to know the right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Under this constitutional guarantee, one may therefore under normal conditions travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with nor disturbing another's rights. He will be protected not only in his person but in his safe conduct. And I can give you where to find that if you would like. >> And we don't need to, but the US Supreme Court has already squashed that. So, >> no, the US Supreme Court has not. >> Yes, they have. And you do have a right to travel. You have a right to travel by your feet or your force, but you have to have a driver's license. >> No, you do not. >> Okay, we can argue this later. So, you need to provide the the officer with your driver's license or you will be arrested for fail to carry and present. >> For what crime? >> Fell to carry and present a driver's license. It's a class C misdemeanor in the state of Oregon. >> It's not a crime. It is not a failure. >> So, you have to let go of it. You have to protect. >> Do you have >> Why do I have to let go of it? I prevent it. >> Do you do you have a concealed handgun license with you? >> No. >> Okay. Do you have insurance for the vehicle? >> Not required. >> Okay. >> Good. Uh whether whether you feel it's required or not, do you have insurance information? >> Yes or no? >> No. >> Okay. Do you have registration information? >> Whether it's required in your opinion or not? Do you have >> I don't know if it's here or not. >> Okay. So, you just don't know. Okay, that's fine. I'll be back. >> As the situation spiraled further out of control, the officers decided to arrest the driver. Little did they know this was only the beginning of a bureaucratic nightmare that would test everyone's resolve. Gina, what's the deal? Okay, I need you to step out of the vehicle cuz you're being placed under arrest for carrying a concealed firearm. >> You're placing me under arrest for a concealed firearm. >> Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. >> Can I ask what led you to that decision? >> Okay. Well, you're you're carrying a concealed firearm and that's a crime in Oregon. >> Ma'am, do you recall I asked you if that was a gun underneath your jacket >> and I said yes. >> Okay. So, by me not being able to tell whether it was a gun or not, it was not in open plane view, right? Okay. So, it would have been concealed. If I can't tell that it's a gun, >> you could obviously see the front of it. >> If you got your sweatshirt covering that gun, it it's concealed. An open carry is open carry. Nothing obstructing the firearm or the holster that it's in. >> So, had it been on the dash or like flat on the passenger seat >> or had it been on your side without a sweatshirt covering it, that's not concealed. But you have it under one. >> And additionally, it's also a crime to present me with a driver's license knowing that it's suspended. I see you were convicted of driving while suspended in December, late December of 2021, which is only a few months ago. Additionally, you haven't been reinstated at all since then. So, there's a pretty good inclination that you knew you were suspended and knew that license was not valid. That's also a crime in the state of Oregon. >> You're making assumptions. No, that's >> you're making assumptions. >> Oh, as far as your knowledge of that, >> assuming whether I knew or did not know, >> right? I never said I knew for a fact. Okay. I I I'm not in your mind. I can't know that. But there's pretty good evidence to show that you likely knew. But additionally from that, for the concealed firearm, yes, you are under arrest. So, we just need you to step out. We don't want it to be incident or anything. Um, just ask you step out and face the panel up there for us, please. So, like I explained to you, this isn't the place to argue it. That just makes things worse. That's why there's court. >> Yeah. You guys look for the most petty thing that you could to arrest him for. >> Okay. Well, we didn't. >> And I'm willing to bet that in the process, you guys got a whole lot of other things going on. So, before we jump to that, I'd like to know what I was pulled over for. >> I I told you you were set for expired tax. Okay. Additionally, the registered owner of the vehicle is suspended. It appeared to look similar to you based off the picture I pulled up before I stopped you. But in and of itself, I can stop you if the registered owner of the vehicle is expensive or suspended and the description would match. Additionally, you have a lighousing on the back here that's broken. I didn't notify you that that's why I stopped you cuz I was primarily just stopping you for the tag. But I mean, we can point at things, but I don't want to nitpick with you. I don't want to argue with you. >> Even as the officers calmly explains the charges, the driver's defiance reached new heights. She was about to learn the hard way that sovereign citizen arguments hold no water in the real world. Okay, this is kind of what we're going to do. Um, you're obviously very familiar with the courts. You referenced the Supreme Court earlier in the stop. Okay, so you know that that's the place to argue this stuff. So at this point, that's why you're under arrest. Okay, so we're going to ask that you step out. We don't want an argument with you. We don't want any altercation. >> My car. >> So your car So you were convicted of driving while suspended recently. So you have no insurance on the vehicle. >> You guys have no legal right to tell me. >> Okay. Again, you can argue that in court, >> but I'm talking to you now. >> Okay? This isn't the place for these arguments. Okay, ma'am. So, I'm going to ask you to go ahead and step out of the vehicle, and if you refuse to >> step out of the vehicle, however, the US Supreme Court has already ruled that a vehicle is a household effect. >> Okay? >> Therefore, you have no right to tow it. >> Okay? Again, you can argue that in court. You can argue that. You can file lawsuits. You can do what you like. >> So, in other words, what you're saying is that you don't care. >> Get him on the camera. >> That you are stomping all over my country. >> What I what I care about is um this is my job. Okay. I am educated. I'm informed. I get the training on laws and court rulings. >> But that does not mean that you know all the laws. And that does not mean that you are kept up to date on the US Supreme Court's rulings, >> right? So I'm I'm pretty kept up to date. And again, if I if I if I'm if I'm wrong, I'll eat crow later, okay? But this isn't the police. >> Eating crow later is not going to help me. >> Okay. Well, it might. So go, ma'am. Go ahead and step out of the vehicle. You're under arrest. >> You guys are taking something that you have no legal right to do. >> Again, not the place for the argument. Finally realizing that her legal theories weren't going to save her, the driver reluctantly exited her vehicle. It was a harsh lesson that no amount of pseudo legal jargon would overcome handcuffs and a patrol car. >> I I have not even said that I'm going to tow it yet, but we need you to step out now so we can get you in custody safely and then we'll go from there. So, please face that way. Place face that way and put your hands behind your back. >> Ow. Good. >> Would you please >> You need two sets of cuffs. I have a right shoulder injury. >> Okay. Chief, will you hold this arm? We'll put two sets cuff on you. >> And please, >> we'll do our very best. I'm only I'm only limited by these two cuffs. >> Too high. >> It' be a little better if you were uh able to hold a little more still. I'm sorry that I'm not standing still enough for you. I'm a little bit scared. >> Okay, check the tightness on this one. >> You do have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used before law, you have the right question to hire a lawyer or be appointed to represent at no expense. Do you understand those rights? I'm going to double lock these just so they don't tighten up anymore. Okay, ma'am. I'll have you walk back this way with me in front of my car here. Okay. I know you say you're taking a lift, but do you have someone who is a licensed valid driver who can come take control of your vehicle within a reasonable amount of time, which would be within the next 20 minutes or so? >> Bryson. pricing. >> He's a neighbor. >> Okay. Are you still living at the Canyville address? It's on your license. I'm only asked because I'm trying to think about how long it's going to take somebody to get here. >> Yes, I'm living in. >> Would you like to call Bryson to see if you can come get your >> I would do you have a cell phone that I can bring out here? And >> it's uh in the uh on the windshield. >> Okay. Can I grab that to bring that out here, please? In a twist of irony, the once defiant sovereign citizen now found herself cooperating with the systems she so vehemently opposed. As she sat in the back of the patrol car, reality began to set in. Even sovereigns can't turn back the hands of time. >> I'll have you step this way for me and just ride around me to the door here. So, the best way is going to be to get up as close to that corner as you can, face me, and then sit back and then swing your legs in. >> Do your best. You can take as much time as you need. >> Off your hand. >> Okay. How would you like me to help you? You like me to hold pressure on your back so you can slowly go in. >> You want me to hold on to your sweatshirt like this? >> That'll work. Okay. >> Slowly lean down. >> Slow as you need. >> A little more. Little Yep. Keep going. >> There we go. >> Yep. >> So, duck. >> Okay. Okay. So, your head should be clear now and I'll give you some time to get your leg up. >> It's not as easy as >> I know it's it's it's difficult. >> Okay. This is >> You want me to go on the other side and pull on you? >> Can you push my feet up? >> Yep. >> There we go. We'll sit you up. >> Perfect. There we go. >> Okay. Would you like a window down? >> Uh, no. Thank you. >> In the end, her misguided [music] stand against authority resulted in charges of driving with a suspended license and carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. As delusional as Gina may have been, she had nothing on Wiggins, who was armed with an oversized ego, believing that he had a chance to face off a team of zero patience cops. >> You're suspended, your license, and your registration. Sir, I need sir, I need your license, registration, sir. >> Give you anything. CALL THE SERGEANT. >> PUT YOUR HAND BEHIND YOU. PUT >> MY HAND BEHIND. >> TURN AROUND, >> MAN. GET THE off of me. >> No, turn around. >> How the YOU PULL ME OVER? >> I JUST TOLD YOU, but you don't want to listen. You want to squeeze? >> The rights. You don't have to have your license. >> So, you're a cyber citiz. >> Yes, that's >> on January the 31st, 2024, a routine license plate scan led to a traffic stop after Melbourne police officer Matos discovered a Jeep Grand Cherokei belonging to Mr. for Wiggins on the road with a suspended license. The stop was initiated at the mall, but Mr. Wiggins ignored the lights and drove for a mile before stopping. The situation spiraled into a tense confrontation when Mr. Wiggins refused to provide his documentation. Despite clear and repeated commands, he remained defiant. What he failed to realize was that his stubbornness was about to backfire spectacularly. >> Absolutely nothing. >> Not absolutely nothing. You were suspended, your license, and your registration. So, I need sir, I need your license, registration, insurance. >> I'll give you anything. Call charges. License, registration. I'm not giving you anything. >> Yes, you will. No, I'm not. >> Unless you you're going to be placed under arrest. >> Look, check this out. >> You're going to be placed under arrest. >> Do you want me my license or registration? >> Step it up. >> All right, sir. Step out for me, please. >> I'm not getting out my car. As you see, I'm asking superior. No, you're not. You're not You're not about to open my door. Look at me. Open my door. Right. Look at each OTHER. NO. GET OUT MY CAR. NO. GET OUT OF MY CAR. GET OUT OF MY CAR. CAN I SEE A SUPERIOR? >> Absolutely not. You speak TO ONE LATER. >> NO. NO. I GOT TO TALK TO A SUPERIOR. NO, I'm not. >> No. You can't OPEN MY DOOR. THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW. YES, IT IS. YOU CANNOT OPEN MY YOU CANNOT OPEN MY LOOK WHAT HE'S DOING, Y'ALL. YOU CANNOT OPEN MY DOOR. YOU CANNOT OPEN MY DOOR. >> STEP OUT. >> NO, you're not. Jesus. >> Step out. You're getting dragged out. No, you're not. Step out. You're getting dragged out. No, you're not. >> Step out. You're getting dragged out. >> Get off of my What's your name? >> Step out. You're getting dragged out. Drag out for what? >> Step, bro. Don't do it. >> Dragging me out for >> Step out. Step out. Step out. >> The officer's patience was wearing thin as Mr. Wiggins continued his resistance. What followed was a textbook example of how sovereign citizens tactics typically end not with victory, but with consequences. >> Step out. >> Put the phone down. Put the phone down and turn around. >> No, it's not. >> Put it down. >> NO, IT'S NOT. I'M NOT. >> PUT IT DOWN. PUT IT YES, YOU ARE. Turn around for what? >> Turn around. >> What am I under? Get off me. Turn around, bro. >> Get off of me, bro. Get under. Turn. What the [ __ ] Yo, listen. Listen, you're going to put your hand behind your back. BEHIND YOU. >> PUT YOUR HAND BEHIND YOUR BACK. PUT YOUR HAND BEHIND. >> TURN AROUND, >> MAN. GET THE off of me. >> Yo, turn around. >> YOU PULL ME OVER. >> I just told you, but you didn't want to listen. You want to scream. >> I am you. I said, give me a sergeant. >> No, sir. That does That's not how that works. >> That's not That's HOW IT GOES. >> NO, IT DOESN'T. TURN AROUND. >> YOU'RE GOING TO GET SPRAYED. TURN AROUND. >> ME, MOTHER, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPRAY ME. >> YES, I AM. IF YOU DON'T TURN AROUND, I PROMISE YOU I WILL. I promise you. >> I promise you won't. >> I promise you. >> I am. >> Look at my phone. Hey yo, y'all see this, right? >> Well, dude, if you listen the first time, you wouldn't have to be here. >> Y'all see this? They harassing me. >> NOTHING AT ALL. >> NOTHING AT ALL. >> Nothing at all. I'm not resisting. Look. >> Yes, you were, bro. You don't listen. >> It's on camera. I hope y'all camera was on. Resisting. >> Yeah, it's on for all this, bro. So, you're not a good locking me UP FOR WHAT AM I? >> JUST TURN THIS DOWN. >> NAH, we're good. Wonder >> [ __ ] Y'ALL LOCKING ME UP. I AIN'T DO NOT STOPING YELLING. All right. >> I AIN'T DO NOTHING. >> RELAX, MAN. >> ACT LIKE A MAN. GET YOUR HAND LIKE AN ADULT. GET THIS GUY RIGHT HERE. PLEASE. PLEASE GET HIM. HE HAS THOUGHT HE IS ILLEGAL. >> Upon the arrival of fellow officers, the very thing Mr. Wiggins had initially demanded. He began to elaborate his explanation of his sovereign citizen beliefs. Unfortunately for him, his philosophical yet very illusionary arguments didn't quite impress the officers. >> THIS GUY PULLED ME OVER FOR NOTHING. I'M NOT SURE THERE WAS MORE. >> YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU WHY YOU WANT TO KEEP SCREAMING? >> NO, HE'S HECKED ME OUT MY RELAX. >> ACT LIKE A ADULT SECONDS. >> I'M GOING TO speak with him. Tell me what's going on. >> I was at Hills Mall. Okay. >> I WAS I CAME AROUND TO WHAT'S her name. I came out. He threw his lights on. I I I follow all over. He said, "I PULLED YOU OVER CUZ YOUR LICENSE IS SUSPENDED." I SAID, "WHY IS YOU RUNNING MY PLATES? I DIDN'T DO A TRAFFIC. WE CAN RUN YOUR PLATE." >> I understand that, but I can't. But listen, you cannot PUT ME YOU CANNOT PULL ME OVER IF IT'S NOT A TRAFFIC INFRINGEMENT. I DIDN'T LISTEN. >> We can run your plate. >> BUT YOU CAN'T PULL ME OVER FOR NO IF IF YOU PULL ME OVER, IT'S GOT TO BE A TRAFFIC INFRINGEMENT. I DID NOT LISTEN. I DID NOT DISOBEY. No traffic listening. >> I get that. But look, you're not listening TO ME. I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID. I KNOW MY RIGHTS. I KNOW MY RIGHTS. LISTEN, I know MY CAR. THIS GUY TOOK ME OUT MY CAR. YES, HE IS. YOU CANNOT TAKE ME OUT MY CAR. I CALLED FOR A SERGEANT. I SAID, "CAN YOU GIVE ME A SUPERIOR on the way?" >> I said, "Can you get me?" NO, HE PULLED ME OUT MY CAR. NO, I AIN'T GETTING NO SUPERIOR. HE PULLS ME OUT MY CAR, START OPENING MY DOOR. THEN HE STEPPED BACK AND ABOUT TO SPRAY ME. SIR, YOU CANNOT DO THAT TO ME. OKAY. IF YOU WANT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING FROM ME, I'M GETTING OUT THE CAR. THEN HE SAY YOU GOING TO SPRAY ME. I'M LIKE, "BRO, WHY YOU GONNA SPRAY ME?" HE LOOK AT, MAN, HE JUST STARTED TREATING ME ALL CRAZY, MAN. AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M BAD BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PULL ME OUT MY CAR. EVERYTHING HE DID WAS TOTALLY ILLEGAL. >> Totally illegal. That was illegal. HE PULLED ME OUT MY CAR RIGHT THERE. HE WENT INSIDE. HE HE HE he took his hand and went inside OF MY CAR AND OPENED MY DOOR AND STARTED PULLING ME OUT OF MY CAR. >> WHEN DID HE PUT HIS LIGHTS ON? >> HE PUT HIS LIGHTS ON BACK THERE. >> BACK BY THE MALL, RIGHT? >> Back by the mall. Why did Why did he take so long? That's why he's doing this is because it took me so long. I said I was going to pull into a residential area. I didn't want to pull in over THE HIGHWAY. I THOUGHT I WAS GETTING OFF IN THE RESIDENTIAL area when it said Morristown. BUT WHEN I GOT ON THE HIGHWAY, I SAW I WASN'T. I PULLED OVER. I SAID, "OKAY, I ain't going to go too far cuz I don't want to make it seem LIKE THEY CHASING ME." SO WHEN HE GOT RIGHT HERE, I SAID, "OKAY, YO, JUST CALL THE SUPERIOR." I SAID, "WHAT ARE YOU PULLING ME OVER FOR?" I'M NOT I DIDN'T It wasn't like I speeded. It wasn't like I was speeding, taking a high speed chase. I was going about 25 miles per hour. So when I pulled over, you open the door. You grabbing me out for what? MY CAR NOT COMING BACK REPORTED STOLEN. OKAY. YOU MAY SAY I'M DRIVING ON SUSPENDED LICENSE. OKAY. YEAH. I'M GIVING UP MY RIGHT as a a living being. I'm going to sovereign. All my paperwork is being done. I don't need no license, registration, or no place. They told me to TAKE MY PLACE OFF. SO THAT THE COURT TOLD ME to take their place off. I got a a loan, you know, a a looney no title to my car. I DON'T NEED THIS. >> You need to have it registered. >> Yeah. No, you know, whatever they told you is a lie. Listen, I'm explaining to you New Jersey title code says you need to have a license from registered vehicle but it's it's federal. It's federal and so the Supreme Court is supreme law to land. We're not going to get into that. >> I understand all that but I I went through it. So you know what he shouldn't have never did what he did pull me out my car. I wasn't in no high-speed chase. >> I understand. But when it takes you when it takes you almost a mile. >> No, it wasn't no mile. I just half mile. I turned off right there. I Yeah. I wasn't I ain't even a thousand feet. Probably a thousand feet away. But for him to go in my car and pull me out my car, I am suing you, bro. >> HE START MUNCHING MY FACE TALKING ABOUT TURN AROUND. WHY YOU GOT YOUR HANDS IN MY FACE, MAN? >> I'm not spitting, BRO. I'M TALKING THIS WAY. HE GOT HIS HANDS ON MY FACE. I AM SUING THE OUT OF Y'ALL, BRO. I'm suing the You should have saw WHAT HE DOING TO ME. HE DRAGGED ME OUT MY CAR, MAN. >> AS THE OFFICERS tried their best to reason with him, his actions proved that he was one of the most difficult individuals to have to deal with. THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG. NO, >> SIT IN THE BACK. Go ahead. >> Give me MY PHONE. >> WHERE'S MY PHONE? >> He's going to go RIGHT HERE. >> THIS GUY'S NASTY, BRO. THIS GUY'S NASTY. PLEASE, SOMEBODY PLEASE, SOMEBODY GIVE ME ANOTHER OFFICER, MAN. STAY IN THE CAR, >> PLEASE. WHERE I NEED Stay in the car. Stay in the car. Everything's being recorded. You got another camera right in front of me. >> I don't care, man. You You You was totally disrespectful. You was totally disrespectful. Who started screaming from the beginning? >> YOU SHOULD HAVE PULLED ME OUT MY CAR. >> Who started screaming from the beginning? >> Pull me out my car. >> Okay. At this point, even with the officers trying to remain patient, he continued to be difficult, wanting things [music] to go his way or the highway. He was a perfect example of people who don't seem to listen. He's saying that the boss is on the way. By the way, I call him. >> He's saying that you didn't want to give him any paperwork like license, registration, any of that stuff. >> I said when he pulled he pulled over, I said, "What are you pulling me over for? I have the right to ask you." >> And he has the right to tell you. He's supposed to tell. >> He said he said I said, "Can I speak to?" He said, "No." He said, "Get out the car." I said, "What are you pulling me over for?" He said, "License and registration." I said, "Sir, what are you pulling me over for?" I didn't do anything. Listen, I saw him. He chased me. He chased me >> from the mall. >> From the mall. He chased me. >> Listen. Listen, listen. I didn't want to pull over on the highway. I wanted to We get that. Yeah. >> Like, that's all I want to do. Not only that, look at this camera. I I stopped and I said, "Excuse me, officer. I'm trying to pull over on the town." I said that outside of my car window. He said, "Pull over." I said, "You know what? I ain't going to try to cause no problems." I pulled over. If you look at that video camera, you'll see my hand out the window saying, "Officer, pull on the side of me." He said, "No, I'm not pulling on the side of you." I said, "Okay, I'm just trying to pull into town." He like I said, you know what? I pulled over. I said that. Ask him that I said that. Why is he checking my car? I'm not I'm not This is not a criminal. This not a criminal stop. This ain't a criminal stop. Tell him to get out my car. I did not give him consent to check my car. Please, officer, that he is in my car. He is in my car. They are they are checking my car for what? For what? He can't be in my car. >> We're allowed to look what's in plain view. >> Listen, you can't check my car. >> We can look and see what's in plain view. He's not going to go in there if he goes in there. Correct. You are correct. But we can look from outside the car and see what's in there. >> I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem with him checking the car. But like him right there, he just violated me. You You cannot pull me over if it's not a traffic stop. EVEN IF YOU SEE MY LICENSE or something expired, you have to wait till I do something illegal and use that as a what's name. >> That's not That's That's not correct. He seemed to have it all figured out. His unconstitutional delusions proved to violate the state of Jerseyy's laws. Despite his persistent claims of being right, he failed to understand that just because he felt he was right [music] did not mean that he was. The whole scenario only revealed nothing but a pathetic attempt to escape accountability. >> Uh Rocklin versus US 425 261 title 16 the 2016. If you if union police union police hit somebody's um license plate, pulled them over while they in the parking lot. When they pulled him over, they gave him a ticket, told his car, and said in the parking lot. >> Yeah, in the parking lot. Pulled him over in the parking lot. Told his car. Said how what was it? The track traffic infringement. Said, "Nah, we hit his plate." They said that's not enough to cover to have somebody pulled over and then tow their car. Yeah. He pulled him over in the parking lot. He was about to pull him out. He was about to pull out. He blocked him in. This is the same thing. I did not commit no traffic infringement. >> You're not in a parking lot anymore. You're driving the car in a public roadway. >> I didn't commit no traffic infringement. I didn't I wasn't speeding. I made I listen. I I wasn't speeding. I made my left hand turn. I turned my my signals on. I wasn't doing nothing illegal. I did not do nothing. I understand. So what kind >> is your license suspended? You don't have to tell me. I mean, he's going to run it anyway. >> Listen, all this stuff I let all this go. They told me I had to let my license be suspended. I had to let my registration run out in order to get my sovereignty. So that's what they had told me. So I let it all run out that didn't pay it. And then once I I'm in the right now my paperwork is in. My baby mother sent all the paperwork. >> What is that for? >> It's for my savages for your your living rights. You don't have to have your license. >> So you're a cyber citizen is what you're saying? >> Yes. That's I'm applying for my soy citizen. I didn't >> in the state of New Jersey. If you don't provide license, registration, insurance like or at least your license, you're you're a you're you're going to get arrested. >> Checking my car. Look, he's inside of my car. Look, he's inside of my car. >> He's inside of my car. >> Eventually, the truth about Mr. Wigan's attempted evasion came to light. His claims of simply looking for a safe place to pull over were contradicted by his attempts to [music] dodge the officer through various routes. He was charged with obstruction, resisting arrest, and multiple motor vehicle violations.