All right, if you don't like commentary, I'm not offended. There will be commentary, so there's your warning. >> [laughter] >> Can you honor people and please just allow me to sit with him and do what I do best. So, thank you. You know, I'm in a better place now where I you know, I want to explain this ethical non-monogamy and I need your your opinion matters to me because we are in this relationship but at the same time, you know, like I told I said before in the house, I said I want to be respectful but I also want to let you know that you know, your opinion matters. But at the same time, I don't want you to put me in a situation in a box, all right? Because while we talked about it in theory, this is now the practice part. And with us having perfectly fine with you know, the situation because how I've handled and been honest and transparent and open with her about to this kind of relationship, me expanding in this not an issue for me. Basically, she told me how you tell we can talk about it when you think it's worth talking about. But the way that you handled this, I'm fine with not I don't trust you definitely because you haven't given me a reason not to. Um And he just sitting up there lying, lying, lying. She just said she didn't even know about this till 2 years later. And he is up here got a group chat with women. And I know he told those women probably the same thing he told LaTasha. Only message me either through this Marco Polo app or video, whatever, and confide. Don't probably contact me unless I contact you first. All the things he probably told LaTasha. He did with the other women. There's no way you can do all that and say your wife knows. Nah. Yes, he's 75. He's trash. Unethical, immoral, especially again, role as a pastor. I do believe that she LaTasha did come in seeking honest-to-God spiritual guidance. I believe that part. He's predatory. She needs therapy like y'all said and she needs better judgment, too. But she's taking it to the part where it's kind of too late cuz I'm few prisons have anything to actually help you with mental health. So, this clip is him talking about LaTasha not being okay with the ethical non-monogamy and you being perfectly on board with it. Was that true? No. Did you believe that Broaddus was being open and transparent and honest with you about his relationship with LaTasha? What relationship? He He wasn't being open with you about his relationship with LaTasha. Right? That there was a relationship at all? No. He was not transparent about that. There was no There was nothing. To my knowledge, there was no relationship. Um and you never said because he was so open and honest and transparent with you with his relationship with LaTasha that you were okay with him then adding another partner. No. That didn't ever happen. >> No. And [ __ ] but those aren't an issue with her. But I get it. That ain't an issue. I have been though, so if we talking, let's switch over to something a little more serious. You know, for me, our agreements have been simple, right? No exes. Nobody from Jacksonville for one, which is home for us. And nobody in the city that she is living in or her living, which means anybody in Memphis. Uh that was the case of course in Little Rock outside of girlfriend because girlfriend is this England Rock. The way that kind of happened is short version, when she decided to open up the marriage and allow allow me to be open with somebody. Um Girlfriend is a therapist, right? And she didn't go there for therapy but she asked us some questions. And based on this therapy session she had with this this other this other lady. And she was asking her some questions after she had just said Broaddus, this what I'm going to let you do, blah blah blah, blah blah, you know, things of that nature. So, from there, she asked us some questions and so she was like, I got a couple questions for you. And you know, they would go play tennis together. She was one of my life leaders and so we we had rapport like we all like we had rapport. And uh she asked a question and was like, yeah, blah blah blah, blah blah, I'm thinking about this and what do you think about this or what do you think X Y Z could potentially be from? Um And so I was looking at her in the cigar lounge cuz this is not where I really feel comfortable so I'm kind of careful about potential scenarios cuz I don't want to have a sound bastard. You know, I really don't want to go in and go shield in the back but I remember but yeah, I'm trying to make up for the time. But anyway, so the next thing that she shared with her was, you know, you know my husband like you, right? What do you think she would attract? And she was like, what? And he was like, yeah, I I know what he likes and he thinks you're attractive. Not that he's been rude or anything like that. We had a conversation. Well, you know what we did cuz like one day one time I was he was sitting around having a watcher and she asked me I was like, when you got to get up, I ain't going to get up and come across as like this creepy guy, right? We trying to spice things up. And in that regard, even though that was even somewhat limited to that because of my watcher in the day, I tried to delete it in my head. But when the question came Just to pause it for a minute. In your relationship with Broaddus, did you outline Did you make those rules up? >> No. So, that was not true. Not true. Um did you Were you the one who initiated the conversation about LaTasha? Yeah. Did you ever reach out to LaTasha about Broaddus engaging with her? No. Um Did he ever talk to you about wanting a watcher as he described here? No. But did you ever agree to having a watcher as he discussed here? No. And it was happening, right? And she asked who who would you want? And that was the first thing I said. He was like, I ain't like that. I I don't know about that. So, anyway, but she said like you, you know, blah blah blah blah blah and she said, well, if you were interested cuz now I'm not saying that you are but I will also say that I'm giving him this X Y Z and he may come your way. Um And she did it. And she was like, okay, cool. But we had conversation. And after that, that's when the whole nobody in the city thing came in. It was more like, I'll give you a pass with her because I essentially gave you the alley. Um But nobody nobody. So, I'm just I'm trying to figure this out. So, fast forward to the whole lot of [ __ ] man, trying to get it out. So, I have been thinking about you know, the past couple weeks in terms of expanding, you know, my ethical non-monogamy. This kind of so you know, her and I were chatting the other day and I was like, baby, I got a couple questions. I'm just curious, you know. She knows about the whole dating thing. So, I was like when do you want to Just to ask a couple questions real quick. Mary said her husband was mental. He just He out here just making up conversations. He want to be a podcast bro so bad. That's what this gives me. Podcast, men that shouldn't have mics and podcasts. That's what he gives me. Oh, he's just lying on his poor wife. Just lying on her. Oh my gosh, so the only real thing it seems like he did do, he actually brought up to her was he recommended a book but she didn't even take it seriously enough to remember the name of the book. And kind of not what it's about but I do feel like I would remember the name of that book if if it was brought to me. Even if I ain't read it. I know the name of that book cuz that's a crazy name for a book. Crazy, especially when she trying to ask me. But yeah, he's he's just delusional Well, he was delusional. He was making up stuff. Oh, and talking about he basically trying to expand his radius out to find more women, more sister wives. Did you ever have that conversation that he talks about with LaTasha? No. Did you ever have that conversation that he talks about with him? No. Did you ever give him the X Y Z that he was talking about? >> No. Did you ever give him a pass for LaTasha? No. Did he ever talk to you about further expanding ethical non-monogamy in your relationship? >> No. No. You know, like when you want to know that there's someone who has my interest and someone who I would like to pursue, do you want to know the moment that I feel like it's more than just banter? Do you want me to Do you want me to Do you want to know at the moment that I would like to begin to banter? Do you want to know once I feel like it might be a thing beyond banter? Or what, you know, because this guy of new for us, right? Because you know, girlfriend, that's easy. That's been 2 years. That's been That's been it for the most part. Outside of me going I can't say I'm going to baby. But it's kind of been easy in that regard. So, we're trying to figure out what does that look like? So, I'm just kind of really thinking through where I am with that, right? You know, where I am in terms of the love and So, so, so, there's a lot of newness and I say that just to say that there's still a lot of newness even in this ethical non-monogamy and all this stuff. And it's it's fun, right? It's fun. It's interesting. It's causing us to communicate and chat and really talk again about different things that we've kind of in a real sense of been settled to some degree. But but realizing that in this ethical non-monogamy we got to keep things in pencil and that can, you know, some things aren't opinion, right? There's some hard no's. But we got to kind of got to be thoughtful about what that looks like. So, that's that's why I make use of my being strong and opinionated and all that stuff I think because that those flutters of those emotions right of those initial thoughts are all kind of new and very much new because this person is brand new. Like, I don't know Sheree, right? I knew you thought Sheree was different, but there was some level of familiarity there. And that's typically how I've always engaged with them, right? With some level of familiarity. After I I cannot whether being in the same class together to high school or something like that. Something like that. I've never kind of quote unquote cold called anyone, you know, if that makes sense cuz I just I'm not I ain't I don't think I'm that guy. So, yeah. Okay. Um BRB said, "Ethical monogamy is like calling stealing compassionate sharing." >> [laughter] [gasps] >> Uh Jacqueline said, "Who had this video?" I'm assuming I I really got the impression this came from the Marco Polo app. So, if they accessed the app and he didn't delete the video they just were able to pull some of his stuff he would talk about on there cuz that's the group I got the impression this is the group chat app for the sister wives that were in the group chat including Latasha. And so, they just pulled videos that they had in the app. That's what I think though. I won't say it like I'm for sure, but I That's what I was assuming. Thanks for coming to my TikTok. I'm on my way home anyway. Now, I'm thinking how far we going downtown? And I'm like, there's a lot of [ __ ] hoes down there. I trust Sheree though. But [ __ ] I just need to do better with smoking and having sex with all these hoes. Did he ever have that conversation with you about when he needed to tell you if if he was wanting to banter with someone or when it would go past banter with someone? No. That never happened? >> No. Did he ever uh did you hear him reference going out of town on his birthday? I thought I heard that. I Did he ever tell you about a threesome out of town on his birthday? >> No. Did you hear him mention the name Sheree? I did hear that. Do you know who Sheree is? I don't believe so. Uh did y'all ever talk about how ethical non-monogamy could make your relationship better? No. None of that ever happened? No. My nosy behind. I want to know is she remarried? And is her new husband still in ministry or a whole different career field because I would not get a second husband that was in ministry. There's no way. PTSD all day. Um I'm going to be a friend and um brotherly advice at this point and I know D, yeah, you on here. I appreciate you're probably doing something else, but so, I wanted to talk to y'all about our my new friend, right? The one who I keep giving back to the girl on. So, she hit me today with a boss move boss move ass that I want to hook up next week. And after she gets back from being out of town, that threw me the [ __ ] off. Like, wow. Like, so, my only So, she gets back on Friday. She's like, "And we hang out Friday and Saturday." My only concern is that she is waiting a callback for an interview for a process. And she said it may be next Saturday, and I know that she would leave, of course, for that. And even if I'm going to Atlanta, she's about 100 miles away. She would She would ditch me, right? Like, I would force her. Say, "Go." And ditch me, right? But I just don't know if I want to put myself in a situation where potentially we may not be hanging out in that regard because she got this other stuff that she's worried about. But I am like high-key shocked and like super like blushed about it cuz like it just kind of came out of nowhere. Like, we were talking about other stuff and it was like, "Hey, what about?" Like, "Ooh, okay. I'm I'm I'm with you. Wouldn't expect to see that while I was in my speech contest." I was just counting myself lucky I didn't do that, but I don't know I don't know what to do. I think a couple of things, right? So, I I limit this also to this other attention. So, that means furthering the conversation, right? With the wife. Um which she's in a good place about that, I think. I talked to you about it, D. You haven't been updated shared about it. Just in terms of girlfriends, not taking it as well, I guess. But at the end of the day, I told her, "You know, you got to recognize it's about me, not about you." And that makes sense for my wife to not be dealing with my girlfriend. That's the issue. Like, so, she's kind of chewing on it cuz I think in theory we talked about this this day coming, right? But it's never been a reality, right? So, I think that she's wrestling with the reality. I think that your ideas uh your thoughts uh D, yeah, yesterday was so like it hit me like a ton of bricks cuz I never thought about it like that. But that makes so much sense. And it's not that I want to be disrespectful. It's not that I don't want to be ethical, but I do wrestle with that and I you know, I'm just kind of talking to your your perspective about what you saw. I thought I was like, I think that could be what this is in terms of treating this like an infidelity kind of relationship on purpose with permission versus an additional partner scenario. So, I I feel that. But But yeah, she asked me to hook up, but Do y'all think the wife knew Mary Thank you. That was the other thing. I want I I feel like some people are going to say the wife did agree to a open relationship, but doesn't want to maybe admit that now in public cuz she didn't do anything to him. She actually tried to protect him from getting shot. So, she didn't do anything to him. So, she's not like a possible, you know, accomplice or anything, but I knew I know some people are going to wonder if the wife knew any of this or if he talked to her more about open open marriages than she's letting on now. I believe her on this end, but I also could see how she would not want to go into detail on that on the other end. Oh, okay. Hill75 said, "Yeah, she knew something." Demetrius said, "Yep." Okay. Okay. Did Bertis ever talk to you about engaging with a woman in that way in town? No. Was he open and honest and transparent [clears throat] about that? No. Um did he or did you uh tell him that you were open to him doing that? No. Had y'all been talking about that day coming where he would further expand to another girlfriend? No. All right. Now, he real comfortable. So, it seems like there's two to three people in this group because every time he says this, he'll be like he's either talking to someone named D and mentioning uh I think he said Sheree or something like that. Like, "Oh, Sheree's not in here, so I'll just tell you, D." And then of course, we knew Latasha was in there at one point. So, I feel like there was three people in here at this time besides him, but they just, you know, And see, that's weird because the Marco Polo Okay, you're on it while you're live apparently cuz he's actively seeing whoever's in there. It's weird to talk about I don't know. Like, you're just talking to one person like you are having a TED Talk or something. Like, I don't know. This is all weird. Uh Jacqueline said she might have known what her husband was into, but wanted no part of it. Okay. And then Hill75 said, "Women's intuition." I definitely think she knew something was up. And in if he did give her that book yeah, she knew something was up. I I don't think she agreed to it though. But like, she's not going to be participating in it, but yeah, she probably didn't know something was up. Close to me. We were close. We were in We were in Little Rock. She lives in Little Rock. So, we weren't That's not That's only 2 hours away, but Yes, we were in Little Rock. So, we were literally that because that was at that point. Um you know, my wife was like, "Yeah, nobody at home. Like, this is an exception cuz I kind of threw you that. But no, you ain't dealing with nobody else. Like, that was Jacksonville. So, our our heart knows that though Jacksonville was your hometown for us. No exes and no what no place in your current city. That's those are the hard those are the hard no's, right? She got an exception because it was there that she realized, "Yeah, I don't think I want him to be dealing with. Always people or these women and no doubt these women would be in the church cuz that's all we do is hang around or in the community or close enough. So, it was kind of one of those things. Was Latasha Daniels an exception to your rules? No. Did you create rules about Jacksonville? No. Did you create rules about exes? No. Did you create rules about the city that you live in? No. Were those hard no's for you? Yeah. No. No. Was any extramarital affair a hard no for you? They were all They were all hard no's for me. Before I can say a word, she hits me with I'm sorry. I'm not Oh, we're not going to breeze past the women showing up at the bottom of the profile. I I need to know. I'm going back a little bit, y'all, cuz I just want to see they panned up. Hold on. So, that must be maybe D. I'm air quoting D cuz I think I heard somebody named D and Sher- Share or Cheryl. Before I can say a word, she hits me with I'm sorry. I'm not sorry for what? So, then she goes into the whole I apologize for breaching your trust, breaching your confidence, telling your people about my balls, my balls in the world, about the situation. Her reasoning was that she felt like, if like you all said, if he could appeal to my quote unquote greater senses, that I would realize the mistake that I was making, that I was losing such a wonderful woman. She also apologized to I said that she apologized to Tabitha. >> [clears throat] >> When Tabitha talked, she told me that Tabitha told her that their conversation was their conversation until she revealed to her that she was not going to talk about the contents of which what they discussed. She basically said, I feel like I know what you're going to tell me. And [clears throat] at this Who is T? Uh he is our friend and former pastor. Is that Philip Pointer? Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> And he was also a pastor at St. Mark's. Correct. Did you know that Pastor Pointer knew about the relationship with Latasha? No. Did Latasha reach out and apologize to you after she threatened to commit suicide? No. Did you ever have a conversation with her about that? No. Throughout all of those videos, very convincing, often. Did you believe her? I would agree. And none of it was true?