All right, we're watching this interrogation together as a watch along. I'll be pausing the footage at times for commentary and to read your thoughts. And other times, we'll let it play so we can sit with the moments as they happen. This is not an expert analysis or instruction. It's an interactive viewing experience where we notice what stands out as the conversation unfolds in the interrogation room. Feel free to share observations in the chat. We'll talk through what we're seeing and in real time as the interview progresses. >> I know what it looks like. >> If you would put put yourself >> I would too. >> Put yourself in my Just just arrest me, >> you know. >> Just arrest me now. >> It doesn't It doesn't make sense. >> Just arrest me now. >> This is Janet Tyerski. In early 2015, the partially clothed body of a young woman was found in a field outside Cleveland, Ohio. An autopsy revealed she had been beaten and suffocated two days previously and then dumped. Police appealed to the public for help identifying the woman and soon got a call from Janet Tyerski. She said the woman was her 26-year-old daughter, Relle. Detectives launched a homicide investigation and began getting statements from those closest to Relle. After speaking with Janet, police noticed parts of her story don't add up. They bring her down to the station for a formal interview. >> I um one of the things we did is we pulled uh like any police department, any reports and stuff like that. We pulled uh to see, you know, what we do is we we do what's called a a profile. We try to to uh profile the victim, you know, of a crime and and get a history and and everything that she's like. And I and I saw that there were several dealings, >> especially with Lakewood. >> And [laughter] um Nicholson. >> Oh, yeah. Most of them right there at Nicholson. I [laughter] think all of [clears throat] them. >> Well, did she did um did Shelley call the police like back in the fall or last year? something about you ended up leaving the house or something like that. Was that something that you remember? >> I left the house. >> Yeah. She called and then I guess you guys had got in an argument and or there was some kind of argument and then she called back and said, "Oh, never mind. My mom left." Or something like that. Do you call the police on you on that? >> Oh, I bet you I bet you. Well, here's the piece that comes to mind is that that's when she attacked me. >> Okay. when I worked. This is what it may have been is. >> All right. So, what do y'all already think about her acting like she's just remembering there may be a reason her daughter had to call the police on her? Um, and they said the daughter Rochelle called the police back to say never mind, I can make it in or whatever. But, um, yeah. What do y'all think about her recalling? Oh, now yes, we did get into an argument. when I worked as a um teachers aid, an educational aid over at um uh Hayes for five years. >> Um there was a time then I'd come home at lunchtime and you know after the morning thing and I was going to fill in for a teacher, be a substitute for the afternoon, but she ended up for whatever reason attacking me, pulling my hair and locked me out of the house. Um, so I call I had to call my teach the teacher >> Mhm. >> Uh, Chris Porachchonsky to tell her I I'm so sorry, but I cannot be there to fill in for you because Bennett's in the house with her shell right now and um she locked me out of the house and attacked me. So I think that might have been, but I didn't make any phone calls, but I think she may have called. [clears throat] No, I just, you know, I >> because what happened is I think she called back and basically said disregard. So, did the police ever come down there? >> No. >> Okay. >> No. >> Okay. So, I think that's >> No, that could have been it. That's the piece that if you're saying it was in the fall a year or two ago, >> that was like 14. I'm not sure. But I I >> There was a lot of uh >> No, cuz I didn't work in 14. then that might have not been the been it >> because there there were a lot of um you know I guess you know there were some people that she hung around with that were ripping you off the one time at the like an apartment we were still uh >> was it Hannah's guitar >> Megan's yeah >> or Megan's and then the guy hid it in the bushes and >> all that stuff but that was someone that >> um Shelley had hung around with >> at the time one of the lovelies at that time and there's always been the lovelies. All right. And so, [clears throat] >> yeah. >> Were there any other incidents recently that you know, even though police weren't involved, but where I know you were telling me before about uh um the chair incident? >> Yeah. What happened? What happened with that? I know. I know. We didn't have a lot of time to >> Well, I think what happened is she fell through it a little bit. It was starting to go. She was >> She was sitting in the chair. >> Yeah. But it was not a good day up and then that was just another piece that she was playing the Thomas matching game at the table with Bennett. I think she started to fall through it but it stopped. It didn't she didn't fall and she freaked. She threw the chair, knocked his workbench, broke the chair. >> Uhhuh. >> Then threw the what's left of the chair onto the lawn. >> Bennett started crying through it all cuz his workbench was down. Yeah. >> Um, >> and was that is that common? Was that common behavior? >> Okay. As we continue, um, so what are y'all thinking about the beginning of her demeanor while she's in here? Cuz they're just starting with her. Um, do you do you feel right now if she's being vague or long- winded? What are you thinking about her answers right now in the beginning? because the detectives obviously haven't given anything away to what they know right now. So, let me know what your thoughts are as far as how she's behaving. Um, and what is she offering without being asked? So, she's she's she seems to be volunteering some information, holding back on some other information unless they clarify and ask a little bit more. Then she started going the no no not the throwing of things and and you know not too much in front of Benny. >> She would do different things. She would be erratic and a little violent with me at times. Knock my coffee out of my hands. >> Oh really? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Wow. >> Pulled on our you know that globe we have just >> was ready to just >> bring that down one day. She, you know, the door upstairs, >> ripped that off the hinges, the whole thing. >> How did she do that? >> She did that >> her shoulder or >> I have no I wasn't home. >> I mean, it's >> I wasn't home at the time. >> I've never ripped the door off. >> I take that back when we've done it. >> So, it seems like uh this mom is describing her 26-year-old daughter Relle, who is the victim that is not, you know, she's the one that was she's not here anymore. Um she's describing her as she said erratic and violent and when the police when the detectives asked her about when Relle made that phone call and saying I don't think I can come in and then later she said she could and and at first the mom couldn't remember the call. When she could remember she was like oh yes we had an argument and she was I don't did she say she was beating me up or she was coming at me. So everything is made for Relle to look like the aggressor in, you know, to lead up to whatever may be discovered later. >> Roughed, but >> you got to use some force. >> He was strong, [clears throat] you know. But >> so what day was that when uh you said it was not a good day? >> That whole week was not good. >> Okay. And that was when she had come back from >> from Tommy's that prior. >> Okay. >> She I picked her up that Tuesday morning. She missed a dose of the medication and she stayed probably a day too long >> of the circle. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> 800 milligrams. >> All right. >> And so that Thursday was when the chair throwing >> anger in. What time was that? Was that during the day or was that at night? >> Um I'd say it was probably in the early evening before dinner. Probably around 4 5. >> 4 or 5. [snorts] >> Okay. Yeah. >> And then what happened? Benny cried. He's at the table. I said, "Benny, it's okay, hun. Just just relax. It's okay." She got her coat on and walked out to have a cigarette. I think her black and mild. [snorts] >> Okay. Benny is this woman's grandson, the victim's son, just so y'all can be oriented on whose names are coming up. So, cuz you do need to know who Benny is. >> Mile. >> Mhm. >> Is that what she smoked black and Miles? >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Did she have any patches? Did she nicotine patches or anything like that? >> I think she tried it once or twice. I think Tommy gave her one, maybe. >> Okay. How long ago was that? >> I don't remember. >> Okay. >> I don't know. >> All right. >> I think. >> All right. >> Um but she still smoked. >> She still >> on top of the patches, >> I think. So, yeah. >> Take a rush from >> Um so then she Let's see. Let me think. What were we saying? So you said that was >> So that was Thursday night. >> Yeah, that was Thursday evening. Um, so you know, you just kind of I I calm Betty down. We breathe. You know, she's out having her smoke. >> Just let her be deescalate. She came back in, didn't say a word. Got to kind of wait, you know. Um, >> so that so that I mean you you're used to that. You know how to handle >> Yeah. This has been my life. >> Yeah. My mother was this way. >> Your mother was >> like this >> like like Shelly was? >> Yes. But I was raised primarily by my grandmother and my grandfather. >> Okay. >> Um I've dealt with this my whole life as I majored in psychology. I tried to learn more about it. >> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Was in social work for a while. Um >> Yeah. But but now Bennyy's seeing it. >> Yeah. >> Now Benny's seeing this. So you you're just you're trying to break the cycle. >> Well, [sighs] I mean that would I I told the officers, "We know what we've been through." When when when Detective West came back the second time and let him look through the house with Randall Young. He said, "How are your sisters handling this?" I said there, you know that honestly [snorts] we're trying to make lemon lemonade out of lemons here and we know that Bennett is better off. So when you talk about the cycle, if there's anything that positive that has come out of this, >> yeah, that >> so this is where I believe the tech the detectives gently started introducing a motive because Benny is her world. The the grand that's her grandchild. That's her world. She wants to break the cycle of what's going on with her daughter. and she's saying how her how her mother used to be and now she has her grandson to look after. So I feel like they're gently saying we understand you would do anything to protect Benny. So um that's why I feel like they're gently introducing they are aware of what her motive could be without uh getting her going too aggressive too far and making her shut down. And yes, I was waiting to see she dealt in psychology. Mary. Yep. She said she majored in psychology so she could learn all about her daughter's condition and everything like that. So, yes. Okay, we'll keep going. >> That's it. >> Well, [clears throat] I mean, okay. Well, the reason why and remember I told you we we were going to go through the computer and the phones and everything and try to, you know, try to form a timeline here. >> Okay. We have reason to believe that Shelly never left the house. >> Okay. >> All right. So, they they they just uh breadcrumbmed her. I'm call it breadcrumbming. Anyway, so they're letting her know about that phone call that Shelley made at the beginning where she acted like she couldn't remember why Shel would make that phone call. That's Rochelle, the victim. Then now, um they're saying they know that she never left the house. So that's another breadcrumb that they're they're letting her know that they know and of course they know more that they'll breadcrumb along the way. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> So we know that something happened. >> Okay. >> We know that something happened at the house. >> Okay. What do you think? What what do you >> well believe >> that's remember I told you we do you know if you watch CSI and all that stuff we I mean we we do everything possible >> you know and we try to confirm and and >> we try to check out what people tell us and stuff like that >> and uh you know and and as part of that we like I said we do the history we do the >> you know we pull videotape you know there's there's houses and stuff that have and they can tell whether you know if there's activity and stuff like that with businesses. I mean, we've been scouring. I mean, you have to understand this has been what, two weeks. >> Oh, I know you have. I'm no doubt. >> And um we've come to the conclusion that something happened at the house. >> Okay. Do you have >> And that's why >> that's why I want to talk to you. Well, and that's why I wanted to talk to you. you know, nothing. >> I mean, we >> like I said, and and come to understand and come to understand, Janet, is that >> we we [snorts] do a history and I told you a profile is what it is. >> I know probably suspect number one. >> Well, >> well, the >> All right. Now, you'd kind of once you reach a certain age know that family members are suspected first. So, it's not unusual that she would think she's suspect number one. Um, but I feel like she also thought that for other reasons than the fact that you would the police would look at the family first. And yes, who said it? Love. So, um, lovable Scorpion pointed out she's trying to Wait, no, hold on. Where is it at? God d it. Sharon go said when she open that water and takes a sip, it gives her time to think about her next lie. This is my second watch through. Didn't even think about the water part. That makes sense to me though. I appreciate that. [laughter] That makes a lot of sense that she's taking her time composing herself again. Okay. Um, yeah, breadcrumbs. Yes, Mary. [laughter] I actually learned that through it was more about either narcissist or something. Somebody else that they Oh, dating. The dating world. The people that date through social media apps and stuff. People get breadcrumbmed to keep them just on the hook enough to keep them in the rotation of people they can kind of like reach out to but they're not really interested in. They breadcrumb them. That's how I learned that term. [laughter] >> And and like I said and when you said when you tell me when you say >> you we want to do what's best for Bennett and and I understand and I can see that that little boy adores you, you know. I mean, you are you are his world. And um you know, when you see him get hurt, that hurts you, >> doesn't it? >> Oh, of course. >> You know, when you see him hurt >> his mom, too. She didn't know realize what she's doing when she's not rational. >> Right. And and and that's the theme I've gotten too is that a lot of times >> hide it. I'm not sugar. >> No. And I understand. >> It has not been easy with her. And of course, uh, why would she want to hide that if she's building a profile herself of how it was to live with Rochelle? And Rochelle may have had, honest to goodness, diagnosible issues, which is why the mom, I'm sure, when she first started, that's probably why she did go into psychology. But she definitely needs it to be clear to the detectives or she's she's conveying to me she needs it to be clear that they understand she's the erratic one, she's the aggressive one, she's the moody one, she's the whatever it is that's not great. That's what she needs them to understand. That's all on Rochelle. >> But I didn't I had I didn't do anything to her. >> I emphatically deny this has been this is nothing new with Shelly. >> Well, I understand that. But I also understand too that this was not what happened to Shelley was not a a calculated, you know, what we say a a premeditated homicide. >> Mhm. >> All right. They're being gentle with her again. She was direct in immediately denying that she's the one that killed her daughter, Shel, 26 years old. If you just came in, her daughter's 26 years old. Um, and they are gently saying, "This is what I've seen them do a lot. We're not saying that you did it in a malicious way cuz they'll try to make soften it up. They need you to just tell them, "We just know that it happened and we do think you did it, but we think you thought you were doing it in the best interest of your grandson." That's kind of how they're trying to get her to still talk about it and admit that she did it. >> You know what we know, and like I said, this is based on the evidence. What we know is that this whatever happened to Shelley, this was done >> in a either in in anger or fit of rage or passion. um what they call a crime of passion, whether it's love, >> hate, um anger and stuff. So, we know what what happened to her, where she was placed, you know, after she had died. It was not it it was not done by somebody who was cold calculating um you know, knew what they were doing. What what it >> what the evidence tells us is that what happened to Shelly was one at the house. There was something at the house that happened >> because she didn't leave that night. >> And number two, >> number two that it had to be someone that was close to her that knew her. >> Okay, this wasn't a stranger that she met because we pulled the internet history, >> we pulled the websites, we pulled all that stuff, right? >> She was not meeting anybody. Well, what if it was planned prior to what if she planned it earlier when she was on the phone in the internet? >> Who? >> So, she's Okay. Wow. So, this mom's assuming that they wouldn't go back in some of her history and not just the same day to see if she was planning on meeting someone because that's an interesting thing to bring up. What if what if she had already planned it ahead of time? So, they're they breadcrumbmed her again. We know it's somebody close to her. They're not guessing. They know it's someone not is someone who was close to her. Sorry. And someone that she knew, not a stranger. So they are telling her we are confident in the conclusions we have reached so far. >> Michelle and >> and they hinted to how she was placed. Um so where they found her, they're saying we just we don't believe it was a stranger. >> Well, like I said, we would have we would have we would have gotten that. What evidence are you able to share with me? You're [clears throat] saying you found evidence. >> Well, >> what is that evidence? >> That's what I've been waiting to hear. >> Jim, the evidence is is that we know something happened at the house. >> But you can't tell me concretely. >> Well, I like I said, I can't >> Your your hunch is >> No, it's not a hunch. I Janet, listen. I know you're your your mother. I have a daughter. I have two daughters, okay? M >> and and you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't bring a mother in here that's just lost a daughter >> and and [clears throat] tell them on a hunch that we think something happened at the house. You know what I mean? I wouldn't do that >> because I wouldn't want to put you through the, you know, through the grief, >> you know, [snorts] >> but like I said, unfortunately, we try we try to we try to clear people. We try to >> Right. >> You know, and and >> well, that's what the search warrant will to do. >> Correct. And that's what we're, you know, >> clear me. I've given you full [snorts] access. >> I And I understand that. >> And I I believe she gave them full access because she didn't believe they'd find anything. And to bolster their view of her innocence. I also noticed her little move when they said, "I wouldn't just bring you in here on a hunch. I know you're grieving." thing and she did like a little move to like I don't know how to put it but like it was like a exhale like a let me mirror how you think I should act because you put that on me about a mother grieving type thing. It was it was a small thing. >> Look, I haven't even touched anything. >> I appreciate that. >> But but like I said, Janet, the problem is is that we can't we can't prove what you've told us as far as her leaving the house. >> You can't prove it. But that doesn't mean I killed her in my house. >> Well, and like I said, I >> I don't know how it how that went down. >> Well, the problem is >> that was interesting for her to to me for her to say that doesn't mean you can prove I killed her in my house instead of just saying that doesn't mean that I killed my daughter, let alone in the specific location and let alone you proving I could do it. There's nothing to prove if I'm not the one that that killed her. So, yeah, that's interesting phrasing >> is to, you know, when when I first talked to you. >> Mhm. >> Um, you never asked me what happened. >> I got it from the news. >> Oh, y'all perk up. Perk up. This one was a very important part. He Okay, I'm going to let y'all listen to the section, but I just need to make sure y'all are locked in for that. She never asked how they found out about about her daughter, what happened to her daughter, what you know, like how did it happen? She didn't ask. And she's sitting here saying because I found out from the news. Now, you know, the police are going to know more than the news. So, usually I think and if I looked it up, I feel like I could prove prove myself right on this one that a killer is usually less curious about it because they already know how it happened because they did it. And then they got to think about, oh, how should I think and what should I ask if I didn't do the thing, you know? So, very interesting on that that she didn't ask questions and she's like, oh, I got it from the news. And then watch how she caters her next answers to how they respond to her saying that and them digging deeper. >> But there the news doesn't give you everything. All it says is that she was found, you know. No, they said I got everything from the news. >> What did they say? >> The all that I knew you were just starting your How would you know what happened? >> Does that make sense? At first they say you never asked how. She said I didn't have to ask how. I got it from the news. He said what the news say. And then she was like well y'all were just starting. So how would the news have more details? The news would get it from the police anyway. So she's already backtracked. I thought it was going to take a little longer, but she's already backtracking. >> Oh, they didn't report any of that on the news. >> I understand that. But listen, I don't I'm not talking to you like I like you. >> I know you're I'm waiting to hear what happened. I'm waiting to hear. I'm waiting to hear what what number one what you you found so far. >> I have to go back to how they asked her. You never asked. And now she has changed, too. I'm waiting to hear what y'all found. But she confidently said she found out from the news at first. >> Know how it how that went down. >> But but like I said, Janet, the problem is is that we can't we can't prove what you've told us as far as her leaving the house. >> You can't prove it. But that doesn't mean I killed her in my house. >> Well, and like I said, I >> I don't know how it how that went down. Well, the problem is is too, >> you know, when when I first talked to you. >> Mhm. >> Um, [snorts] you never asked me what happened. >> I got it from the news. >> But there the news doesn't give you everything. All it says is that she was found, you know. >> No, they said I got everything from the news. >> What did they say? >> The all that I knew you were just starting your How would you know what happened? Oh, they didn't report any of that on the news. >> I understand that. But listen, I don't I'm not talking to you like I like you're >> I know you're I'm waiting to hear what happened. I'm waiting to hear. I'm waiting to hear what what number one what you you found so far. >> Well, the issue is to >> I know you don't >> She didn't leave the house. We We know she didn't leave the house because >> she didn't take her purse. She didn't take her medicine. >> If I Why the hell would I keep her freaking purse there? >> All right, another breadcrumb. They know that the whatever happened to her happened in that house because Rochelle never took her purse. So, she didn't leave the house. That's how they were talking about she didn't she wasn't leaving to meet someone. Her purse was still in the house. They're going to name some other items as well. So, never never took her purse. Well, I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. I don't know. I don't know why. And that's why I said this isn't this wasn't a pre-calculated, you know what I mean? Like you you didn't read all these books on how to get rid of a body and and all this stuff. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that people listen, I've been doing this job for 22 years. >> Do you have something where her body was signed? >> Listen to me. Listen. Listen to me. I've been doing this job for 22 years. I'm not looking and I've seen >> I know you you probably know what you're doing >> and I've seen listen I've seen a lot of good people make mistakes. I've seen a lot of good mothers make mistakes. I've seen a lot of good fathers make mistakes that that are completely aberition to what they are and who they are. >> Now I know you're >> you are a caring person. You you are the caretaker. Am I correct >> when it comes to Bennett? I mean, >> um, yeah, pretty much. >> You're the caretaker. >> You're the person that keeps You're the glue. >> You're the glue of the family. >> Pretty much. >> You've been the glue in Shel's life >> ever since her father passed away, >> since she was born. >> They're warming her back up again. So, they backed off a little bit on the This is strange, you never did this. This is strange, you never did this. And they're warming her back up. Hey, that pressure was on you. You were the glue. Yeah. And since her father passed away, right? >> And I know you've had to deal with her lying and her manipulating and her >> impulsivism and her >> basically caring about Shelly. >> Mhm. >> And not caring about Bennett or caring about Janet >> or Hannah or Megan. >> And I know >> you're saying any this is not untrue. >> Nothing nothing new, right? >> That's all true. And and listen, like I said, I've seen strong people who have been the glue of a family and and usually it is the mom. Usually it is mom. Mom, you know, dad's abusive or dad's a drunk, you know, and and but this time it's the daughter, you know, who basically holds the family hostage, you know, and I've seen, you know, moms just, >> you know, finally say, you know what? Enough is enough. >> Oh, I'm sure. >> You know, enough is enough. we've been through this. >> It wasn't like that for me, though. >> Well, and then I understand there was some discussion about getting custody of >> Bennett. >> That's a big one. And I had to take a phone call, so I probably missed something else that he breadcrumbmed her, but I caught that last one. They are aware there was discussion about her the grandmother taking custody of the grandson from her daughter and obvious well not obviously but there were most likely some problems with that. Um so yeah so she was trying to get custody of her grandson from her daughter. Okay. >> That was part of the reason >> that things were off that day. >> Mhm. >> And she told you what? Um, no. >> She was dead set against him. As a matter of fact, was she planning on trying to move in with Tommy? And >> um I think that might have been in the works cuz >> All right, here's where she plays vague in my opinion. And again, if they're asking, they usually already know. Not always, but that's a very specific question to have and not know if that was a discussion. Tommy, who's still alive, I'm sure they probably could talk to him. And so, not only was the grandmother trying to get custody, her daughter was dead set against her getting custody of the grandchild. And then, not and then the daughter was planning on moving out from her mom's house with with Benny, the grandson, into a place with Tommy. So, now you're losing your eyes, your you know, she's protective over the grandson. She's losing control over knowing how the grandson's doing. Gently introducing the breadcrumbs. >> He had some money from a dead person that he was he had money coming. >> Mhm. >> Um but she knew No, I don't I don't think for sure she was going to move in and she knew she couldn't take Benny. She knew that. Yeah. No. >> And that is a the one of the more definitive statements that she makes that Rochelle knew that she could not take Benny, the grandson, and Rochelle is the victim. In case you're coming in later, Rochelle knew. How did Rochelle know if you were talking about taking custody, and they are saying Rochelle was dead set against you taking custody? How could you tell Rochelle she can't take her son to move in wherever she's going to move into? How would she know that? If anything, she knows she had every legal right to take her son, even if it was a bad environment. I'm not saying it wouldn't be, but she had the legal rights to take her son >> with Tommy, >> but who has custody of that? >> Um, well, it's never been taken taken from her, right? >> I've never taken it. >> So, if she wanted to, she could up and leave and take >> Oh, sure. Legally, sure. I know. >> Of course. But it then I I think she knew though she it you know she wouldn't want that responsibility 24/7. >> No. >> Yeah. >> And neither did Tommy. >> No. >> Tommy didn't want to be bothered. >> Oh my god. No. >> I mean what? He spends maybe a couple hours of of if that. >> If that. [snorts] >> You know. >> Mhm. >> How many years did he go without even seeing? >> Yeah. >> Little Bennett. >> Full four. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Or more. So, and >> when when you tell me and like I [clears throat] said, you know, I I know I know you've been cooperative. I know you've >> Mhm. >> you know, you've [snorts] you've been you've been up front, >> let's just cut to the chase here. >> Oo. Okay. Are y'all noticing the shift? I'll go back a couple seconds. the detectives, you know, just asking his next question and then y'all are pointing out the body language. So, going back to that body language and then what she says next, that's definitely a shift. >> You've been you've been up front, >> let's just cut to the chase here. Dear God, do do I need an I think I need an attorney now. If I'm If you're saying I killed Relle, >> I never said you killed Relle. >> Okay. You're saying it, >> but I'm trying to figure out I'm trying to figure out what happened. >> The only ones there were me and Benny, but I can guarantee you he didn't do anything to it. >> Right. Right. But what I'm telling you and and Janet is what I what I want to know is I know that something happened in the house. I know that there was something there. >> Okay. >> And and like you said, if it's just you and and her, I'm trying to figure out what, you know, I'm trying to figure out. I know. I know. She wasn't meeting anybody. We've gone through We've gone through inbox and and Facebook and text, you know, anything. >> Well, you know, then it sounds like you know what you haven't found. >> Uhhuh. >> What have you found? >> All right. And I believe most of us know the detectives do not have to, nor will they just tell you all the evidence that they have because then you'll use that and weave it into your lie if you are the one that is lying. Um, also it's some stuff they don't have to reveal until discovery. Um, but there's no good detective that's going to just lay out everything that they know. So, you can start building how you can refute that evidence and, you know, pretend like it's not against you. And and I'm talking about in this specific case when I when it comes to her because she is lying. So, I'm saying I'm saying that cuz she is the liar. Um, there was something else about her. She switched again that fast. Oh, the lawyer. Do I need to get a lawyer? Just know that from watching the narration of body cams, if you actually do want a lawyer, you have to be very clear. You have to say, "I am not going to talk anymore. I demand my lawyer. I want my lawyer." You can, if you pose it as a question, they technically apparently have the right to keep questioning you. They don't have to stop talking to you off of should I get a lawyer. is if you start demanding, I will only continue speaking if I have an attorney present. You have to be very clear that that's what you're you're making a statement. You're not asking a question. [clears throat] That's what they were saying on the narration. I'm not the authority, but I like to talk about what I heard. >> And like I said, I can't disclose that, >> you know. But the thing is, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. when when you packed up her purse and her makeup kit and her coat, >> what was the purpose of doing that? >> Um, she I thought I heard her say, you know, I'm half asleep. I'm going to Tom's back on my [snorts] my >> when >> I thought I heard her say that, but I don't know. So then I saw all this that night, >> the night she >> Right. >> Okay. >> So, but cuz when I came down, I locked the door. I saw the next morning in the kitchen all her stuff on the um island where where she keeps it like Jesus Christ, you know. So I packed it in that bag thinking they'd be back the next day or she'd call me to take it over to him. But see, she keeps makeup there. She keeps clothes there. She keeps meds there. So I >> we we searched we searched on this place. I mean there was nothing. I mean there was a couple pieces of clothing but none of her toiletries were there. None of her makeup stuff. >> Well, all right. I was trying to type and respond in the chat, but um I think she tried to present the argument that um Rochelle, her daughter, would keep makeup, you know, basically duplicates or spares at Tommy's place or wherever. And the detectives again, they already have the answers to this. They said there was none of that at his place. So all of her stuff is weird that she left it there. Oh, cuz cuz the mom was packing up her stuff, right? I'm so so sorry. Sorry, I wish I had heard that better. But I think the mom was packing up her stuff in a bag um trying to say it was for Rochelle to move out, but it wasn't cuz Rochelle had already been killed at that point. And she was, you know, but anyway, Rochelle didn't have any of her stuff at Tommy's house yet. Although the mom tried to say she kept all kinds of that stuff at his house, too. She didn't. They already searched his place. That stuff wasn't there. Um and for those coming in, Rochelle is was 26 years old. She's the victim that that was killed. Um her son she left behind um is I don't know his age, but he's very very young. That is this woman's grandson. She is Rochelle's mother that they're interrogating right now. And we're still pretty pretty close to the beginning. We haven't gone too too far in yet. >> Listen, Jana, I just we want to we want we want closure. We want closure. Jesus Christ. So do I. >> I do too. >> You want to know what happened? >> I have no idea what happened to Michelle. >> Let me ask you this. Was there a physical altercation between the two of you? >> Just the usual verbal. >> Okay. Because >> no, I want to see what they find. >> But according Let me ask you, I'll tell you this much. All right. According to the corner, >> okay. >> All right. She was involved in a physical altercation. >> Right. The blunt force Okay. >> to the back of the head. >> But it was not enough to kill her. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Right. >> Or blunt force trauma to the head. Yeah. >> And the issue we have is that you're telling me that there was this big blow up and that she had accused you >> Mhm. >> Is this right? That she had accused you of watching >> as >> Mhm. That was I think >> your husband had >> had sexually abused her. >> No, that was per Tommy. Tommy told me this. >> Okay. >> That he she had told her friend this. >> Mhm. >> And I said, "Jesus Christ, this one again. I've heard this before, Tommy. It's not true. He knows she story tells." >> Well, I know. Um we remember I told you we we we try to build a profile and we know that she's known to >> to storytell. We know that she's, you know, prone to being impulsive. Um, right. >> We know she's prone to being angry. >> You know, obviously she's attacked you before. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> Yeah. >> But like I said, we know that there was something that happened that night. You know, >> I want to fill in a blank for you cuz I I don't think they stated it besides at the beginning of the video, but Rochelle, the victim, it says she was beaten. So, there's the blunt force trauma. could have been more blows to her besides the one to the back of her head. Suffocated and then dumped. So, she did not die by the blunt force trauma. She died from the suffocation and then her uh her body was dumped. >> Something happened at the house. >> Okay. >> More than more than what you want to try more than what you want to tell me. More than more than just a verbal argument. >> Okay. >> No, Janet. I'm just telling you. >> But I want to see what the evidence shows. I just know for a fact and I know you know. >> What I want to know is why and what happened. I can almost guess why. I know why. >> See, here's >> because she's >> See, you you're saying I did something. This is what you're leading to. So, right now [snorts] I I'm I'm ready to to you have to I cannot talk anymore because you you're trying We could save a lot of time here. You're saying that you you you're leading to say I did this. >> Yeah. If you if you didn't do anything, why would you ask for you know >> because not that I'm telling you I don't know anything. >> We're not gonna >> I want to see what that >> we're not going to put an innocent person in in jail. >> You know that. >> Well, I hope not. >> You know, >> cuz I know I'm a big person of interest. >> Why would you be person and why would that be? >> He told me that. >> Who told you that? >> Detective West. >> He told you you were a person of interest. >> Yeah. And you were the number one suspect? >> No, he didn't say suspect. I said, "Do I Oh, detective Weston and Captain." Captain the captain. >> Okay. >> When I went in for questioning, I said, "Do I need an attorney?" Cuz you He said, "You don't need one attorney." >> I didn't sit All right. I didn't sit through that interview. I was busy doing >> and they looked right and said, "You're a person of interest." So, I've been telling people I'm a person of interest. Jesus Christ. I've known I'm a person of interest this whole time. >> I'm the last known and I said why you're the last known person known person to have seen her. >> You've seen all the TV shows and everything, right? I mean, when they show TV shows and the somebody gets killed and who they they I mean, if a wife gets killed, they automatically look at the husband, >> of course. They look at the family first, >> right? So I mean I mean that's it's a natural assumption and just like you said you want to see the evidence and so do we. >> I want to see what >> right and and but you realize too is that >> uh that all the information they're collecting evidence now >> of course >> and you'll become aware of that evidence as we do too. Okay. >> Okay. So, it's a matter of like Lieutenant Pek is saying is that uh it's going to be found. >> Okay. >> And always when just like you said that you didn't clean up anything. No. >> You know, it's going to show that too as well. You can never get rid of anything completely, especially when they use the chemicals that they do to find evidence. You've watched the shows or heard of the shows and things like that. So, so you realize that these are things we're going to come to you with, but it's probably a good idea to talk this out and maybe give us more information to help us learn more about Shelly and help us learn >> above and beyond what any >> normal person would. >> And we appreciate that. Believe me, we we appreciate you being with us. >> And we're sugar coating anything, >> right? And and you are you're very matter of fact, but I enjoy that about you right now. >> And going back to the complimentary, I enjoy that about you. We're not saying you're a bad person. Mhm. Yeah. High alert diabolical vibes. Yes. >> And and I appreciate that. >> But now I'm you're saying, you know, something happened in the house. >> I think we're we're trying to figure out. >> I'm the only one there. So, >> we're just trying to figure out what, you know. >> Well, sure. >> We have a why. We know. I mean, we know all the I mean, listen, I I don't understand how you I mean, she's an adult. You could very well say, "Bye. See you." >> Mhm. >> You could have very well said that, >> you know, 8 years ago when she turned 18, >> which I did, actually. >> Yeah. >> Then she was with that Mike Santa in Bird Town. >> Okay. But you didn't. I mean, you maybe back then, but she came back, >> right? >> You know, at 26 years old, she's no longer your responsibility. >> Yeah. >> I don't know how you did it. >> I I don't honestly. >> I mean, a lot of people say, "Well, she's, you know, Shelley was a a passionate person, but she had issues." >> Mhm. you know, >> and for you to continue to take care of her and to be there and to be that glue, >> you know, I I commend you. Like I said, I I don't understand. I couldn't do it. >> There's no way I could do it. Um, I see too much of, you know, I see too much stuff. >> Mhm. >> You know, and and my own kids, you know, I, you know, I got a teenage daughter and, uh, yeah, I'm learning out, you know, [cough] the [clears throat] hard way, >> right? >> But fortunately, you know, I don't have the issues that you had to deal with, >> you know, with with the mental health issue, >> the atypical stuff. >> Yes. I and um just having a a normal teenage daughter is is a lot of hard work, you know. Yeah. >> But I can't imagine if that activity carried over from through the teenage years to adult years and you know to still be >> I say there. >> Mhm. >> You know, I mean, do you feel did you feel like an obligation >> to continue? I loved her. I love her. >> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Always have. That's my girl. That's that's my Shelly. >> I obviously obviously >> So you do what you do. >> But do you think people hurt each other when they love each other? >> Sure. >> You know. >> Sure. >> I I mean they tell us most most homicides are committed >> like probably 90% are committed by people that know each other or are in a relationship, >> right? you know, and so obviously when you know, we look at we look at a homicide with >> Okay, I just want to say that that his question of do you think people who love each other hurt each other? I feel that like that uh is a shift in his approach again. Um they already have been going gentle, then they got a little direct. Then she was like, should I get an attorney? So, they went back gentle. But now they're going they're going, I guess, deeper in their approach about we can understand if this was a crime of passion, >> you know, a death of somebody. You know, we try also we check every aspect. We we look at, you know, the truck drivers that were in North Ridgeville at the time of the, you know, we look at dating websites. We look at everything, you know, to see if there are strangers or something involved. >> He said that there's that plenty of fish. There's plenty of fish. >> Did Did you find stuff? >> No, not since not since last year, [snorts] you know. >> So, she was hoping I think she was hoping her daughter was even more promiscuous as either she had in her head or than she thought she was. So, that way there could be a lot of suspects and not have the heat on her as the mom. So, if her daughter was on the Plenty of Fish and the other things, there's always these questionable guys around. Then there's like all these suspects. It could be just a one time encounter thing, but when the detectives go back to that evidence that they breadcrumbmed earlier in the video, you'll see why it was not going to be about a stranger ever >> since last year. >> But the thing is, like I said, there was no for the last couple weeks, there was no arrangements made for Shelly to get picked up on Friday the 13th at 10:30 a.m. >> Did you check that Eric Boland out? Okay, that's real specific. They said Friday the 13th at 10 I'm going to say 10:30 a.m. I don't remember. Okay, Friday the 13th. So, I feel like they're trying to tell her they know an exact time of some things and she's, you know, ready to move on to the next thing, but I feel like that's a little bit of another drop. >> Mhm. [clears throat] >> And what what happened and that's clean? >> Well, we're still we're still trying to figure out, you know, where he was at that night. I know. I think it's his family that live behind my house. >> Well, we know. We know he's moved back into Lakewood. I mean, we listen. Yeah. >> We know. >> Okay. You're checking this out. >> We are checking everything. Remember I told you? >> Yeah. >> We wouldn't. And you know, immediately I didn't come into your house and say, "Well, Janet, you know, that's suspicious that you have all her stuff packed up in a garbage bag. >> I wouldn't have given it to you." Well, I'm I'm just saying, you know, well, listen, I've been also doing this job long enough to know, too, that people people tend to cooperate, too, when they're suspect. >> Oh, >> you know what I mean? They tend to find out who did it. >> But the thing is, >> so I'm cooperative. >> Well, but like I said, you know, we check every aspect, every angle. I'm telling you, I probably have video from from here to to Lakewood to Cleveland to North Ridgeville of of highways and turnpikes and and all this stuff. >> There's our next breadcrumb. All the video they collected on the highways. So, that I don't we'll see how soon he's about to bring it up, but that is a breadcrumb. Recordings of the cameras on the highways. All right. And like I said, we we scour, you know, and like [clears throat] I said, when we first got when we first got to your house, you know, you know, our job is was just to, you know, try to build a timeline, you know, like I said, remember we >> we have where Shelly was found and and the evidence there and we have where Shel was last seen and evidence there and then in between there's a gap. >> There's a gap >> and somebody knows >> more than what they're telling us in between there. And what we do is we build from this way and then we build from this way and we try to put the pieces together. >> And like I said when we >> when we build from the opposite we go backwards and we say who was Elastic Shelly? >> Okay there was some issues. There were some issues. And you know >> there always has been. >> I understand that. But that's you know >> what I'm telling you too is that I said these guys they check everything. you know, the lab these that's why we have these, you know, >> they're going to check everything and they'll tell us they can tell us where a body lay for, you know, hours >> if not a day. >> And that was the other thing, too, that we looked at. You know, the fact that someone did this, they panicked. >> They either did something and they panicked >> and they didn't know what to do. They didn't know what to do. >> And that's usually why we say it's a crime of passion. Mhm. >> And strangers don't do crime of passions. Strangers do cold, calculating um planned out homicides. If if they were going to plan, like say someone was trying to get after you, they would watch you. They would, you know, they would know your routine. They would know um you know, [clears throat] was it common for you to take this or that with you and stuff like that. Um if they met you online, they would have a plan already. if they were planning on murdering you or dumping you or something, they would have a plan online. You dig a shallow grave, have it prepared, you know what I mean? Just just stuff like that. >> But when when someone is placed in a location where she can be easily be found or seen from the highway, >> um to us, it's almost like they do it to, >> you know, so that >> she's found quickly and that she's not there's some dignity, you know, and what in and death. Um, you know, and that's what we have here. This is what we have here, >> okay? >> Is the fact that whoever who did this to her was someone who cared about her because they didn't just throw her in a shallow grave for dogs and coyotes to to to dig up. You know, they basically staged or placed her in a location where she could be found. And that's, you know, and that's another issue. We look at what's found on her clothing, the fibers, and anything that was left at the scene, >> and we, you know, we place that, you know, where a scene was. >> All right. Another bread from they have fibers. They're comparing where the fibers could have originated. Okay. you know, where she was last laid or kept or whatever. >> And we believe that's why >> she came from my house, >> right? >> So >> to where she was laid. >> No, no, she left the house. >> No, we know we know for a fact. We know for a fact from what was found at the scene >> and she's trying to I mean, okay, let me stop. She seems to be trying to figure out what mistake she could have made. Again, she's always asking them, "What do you have? I need to know what you have. You keep telling them what you don't have. What do you have?" And she's trying to figure out what makes them so sure of she went she went straight from uh getting attacked, killed at the house to the part where the her body was dumped. And they're going to say it. I'm trying my best not to do spoiler alerts on this, but it's just so interesting to watch how it lays out knowing that this person knows what they did. >> Can you tell me what was found at the scene? >> Janet, I think you I think you need to come clean. I need you to you need to come straight. >> No, there is nothing. >> Detective PEK, I I think you're great. You I don't want to waste your time here. I think you're great, too. >> I'll sit here. >> I do, Janet. >> But I think I think we need I need we need to close this. >> We need to stop because I know you have a conscience. I know you're >> There's the next shift. Janet, let's just stop. Stop pretending. >> Good person. I know you are. I know you are. I'm not going to all of your actions murder that I'm not asking you to admit to something you didn't do, but all your actions, all your history of who you are >> show that you're you're a good person, that you are. >> I feel I feel I'm fairly okay. >> You are. >> But what I'm telling you, but >> but Janet, listen, your two other girls are are college students. I mean, they're great girls, you know, and Shelly, you know, she has some great attributes about her. >> She does. >> So, I'm telling you, it's not you didn't do anything wrong raising her. You know what I mean? >> I'm not saying you're a bad parent. You know, >> heck, I like I said, I commend you. I commend you for even >> even holding on this this long and helping her this long and and keep taking care of her this long. Mh. >> But when someone accuses you of doing something you didn't do. >> Mhm. >> And especially when they accuse you of >> standing by and watching. >> I understand you you think I did it. >> So I'm just listening. >> I understand you think I did this. So I need to just hear you. I and take whatever comes. But I'm I'm not I can tell you we could be here for >> I'm not going to Listen, I'm not not going to make up evidence. I'm not going to accuse you of doing something you didn't do. As law enforcement officers, >> we can lie. We can lie to you. That's the courts have ruled that. They say, you know what, if it means getting a confession or whatever, that cops can lie. We can say, >> Janet, we have your [snorts] vehicle on videotape. Mhm. >> in North Ridgeville. >> Mhm. >> On Saturday morning. >> Okay. >> You know, we could I could lie to you and say that, >> right? >> You know, but I'm not I'm not going to lie. I don't I don't want to lie because if you you know, used another vehicle, then what do I look like? >> I feel like that was a breadcrumb. He's giving her what he of course knows she did not do, which is possibly be in her vehicle, but she was in a vehicle. And he's breadcrumbming her twice. One, on you could have been in another vehicle is a breadcrumb to me. But two, being able to see a car that traveled that path, you know, is the other breadcrumb in my opinion. >> Like I don't know what I'm talking about, right? >> Okay. So, I only go with what I know. >> I don't make stand up. I don't say, "Well, you know, your your fingerprints were found on articles that were found at the scene." >> Mhm. >> You know, I'm not going to say that. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> Because what if you wear gloves? >> Mhm. >> You know, so everything that I've told you is fact. >> Mhm. >> I haven't made anything up. So when I tell you when I tell you >> tell me any evidence, so I >> Well, I'm just telling you when I tell you that there's something at the scene that places her in your house. Mhm. >> I'm telling you the truth. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And you can't tell me what that is, though. You can't tell me what that is. >> Well, no. I'm not going to tell you exactly what it is because >> Okay. >> That's part of the case. >> That's part of the case. But, >> you know, >> if she left. See, I don't know. >> I I We know she's something. So, you're telling me you have something for sure at the scene? Janet, I wouldn't have you in here. You know, I wouldn't have you in here and I wouldn't be lying to you. >> Okay. >> Okay. You know, you talk about you talk about >> if you say you have evidence that I did your >> mother-in-law, >> then I need to >> You talk about your mother-in-law being, you know, religious and and stuff like that. She probably wouldn't lie either, right? >> My mother-in-law? >> Yeah. She's >> I don't think so. >> Yeah. So, I mean, we don't And like I said, I'm sure Detective uh Mlaughlin Harry, you know. >> So, you said you have evidence. >> I'm telling you, we have evidence that shows that >> that I murdered her. >> I never said that. I never said that. What I'm telling you is >> just weird to sit back and ask it that way. Of course, if you didn't do it, you would be trying to prove your innocence and stuff, but it's something weird about that question of being passive about it of you're saying you have evidence that I did murder her instead of there's nothing that could be out there because I didn't do this to my daughter. You know what I mean? Like it's like she's looking for give me the next thing so I can refute it. That's what it seems like. >> If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck and it flies like a duck, it's a duck. Okay. >> So, when I tell you when when I tell you we have we know for sure something happened at the house. >> Okay. >> That's what I'm telling you. >> Okay. >> Then I mean there's a couple qu there's other stuff that we'd like to to maybe share with you. >> Please. >> But >> can't you can't or >> the the thing is is that what we're trying to say is that a lot of times things happen for reasons you can't really explain. Mhm. >> And you almost have like an outer body experience where you do something that you later regret. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And that you could say, "Well, that really wasn't me. I'm not normally like that." >> Okay. >> Sure. >> Everybody makes mistakes. We all make mistakes. >> Okay. >> You know, it's what you do to make things right is how you'll be judged. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> Sure. >> If it's a continual, well, prove this. Take a step. Prove that. Take a step. >> Eventually, the information is going to come out, the evidence, >> and before the evidence even but but what I'm saying though is that before the evidence comes out, >> right? >> It might be a good idea to get ahead of something and and again, I'm just saying that >> if you know something, >> I have said everything I know. Wouldn't you want to share that with us so that we can help solve this crime? Okay. >> I have said everything I know >> and and like I said, we appreciate your cander. Okay. And you've been very open and honest with us >> and and I and I I really appreciate that. You know, it's it's again, it's what we want you to do is to get out in front of this. If it was a spur-ofthe- moment thing, it was an accident, then it's easily explained. Shelly was a very volatile girl, >> right? >> She was. >> There they go. Taking her side again on Shelly was the problem. Volatile, another word to add to erratic. What else did they call Shelly? uh violent aggressor in the argument. They called her some other things, too. I feel like they um they insinuated she was irresponsible. They pointed out she was absent for 4 years of uh the grandson's life, you know. So, and Shelly is the victim, 26 years old. I'm recapping for anybody that came in a little later. Shelley is her daughter, full name Rochelle. She's the victim, 26 years old, left behind a son named Benny, who this grandmother, her mom, loves and adores and wanted to take custody of. Shelley seemed like she was about to be there was discussions of her moving out and taking Benny with her tomy's house, Shel's boyfriend. Um, and the discussions that were around custody, they said Shel was dead set against this mom getting the grandmother getting custody of her son. Okay. very volatile with you. We all know that. >> Mhm. >> She did things to you that daughters shouldn't do to their mothers. >> It's not true. >> Things happen. >> And I know you've been angry at her many times in the past. >> A fight breaks out. She grabs hold of you, comes after you. Maybe some slaps are exchanged. Maybe she comes at you a little bit more violently. >> Yes. some words are exchanged, you know, whatever the case may be. >> I've only hit her one time >> when she turned 18. >> But in this case, let's just say for instance, let's just say that for instance, a fight breaks out at the house and certain things might be used to help fend her off. Evidence of that is going to be cast off into the house. >> That's going to be stuff that's going to be found. And again, it's always better, I guess, put maybe to put a in a in a a theory or maybe a story that you could understand is that >> don't you think that it's better to be honest about something versus, well, tell me what you got and then I'll be honest about it. >> That's right. You see what I'm saying? >> Because I don't believe you have anything >> because well that >> and see that's weird. Be honest. that he's trying to get her to to understand that if she's not the killer. It's weird to just play off of reactive. Tell me what you got. I'll talk to that piece versus let me tell you everything so you can find out who did this to my daughter. Her answer instead is, "Well, I don't believe you have anything." That's that's wild to say >> that that Let's just say that. Okay. Well, let's just say but what what if eventually they do find something at the house >> and then here you are going >> oh if that's the I'm just saying if that's the case don't you think it would be better to be honest about something upfront and say look I made a mistake like we all do versus look show me what you got and then I'll be honest about it or show me what you >> No that's not what I'm trying to do. >> Okay. No, no, no. I'm not trying to do. I'm saying I'm being honest. >> Well, I mean, you for >> I I know, but Shelly or >> It's okay. >> You look like Shelly. >> It's okay. >> You know. >> No. >> But Janet, you you have to understand that a lot of times the cover up is worse than what happens. You know, >> the cover up is a lot of time worse what happens. You ever have a rock in your shoe? >> Sure. in the and the more you walk the bigger it feels. And if I after >> it's crazy that for them they are basically telling her we know it's you. We kind of know what you used. We know the things that came from the house are now with her. We know it's not no it's not anybody from Plenty of Fish. It's not Tommy. It's nobody. It's you. They are telling her that. Um, and she is she is very calm for this. Um, let me see. There was one thing else I wanted to point out. Oh, and the question, it's not really a question, but they keep bringing up crime of passion. Crime of passion. Crime of passion. What do y'all think about them bringing up that phrase to her often? Um, cuz they keep rephrasing it, but they keep coming back to crime of passion. a couple, you know, if you don't have a chance to get it out after several minutes or several hours, it almost feels like a boulder in your in your shoe. And then when you take your shoe off, it's a slow pebble, >> you know, and a lot of times what I see, you know, like I said, I've been doing it for 22 years. >> Yeah. >> Is is people will think that they have to hold on to this. They have to, you know, protect, you know, shield, shield, shield the whole time. I got to shield. I got to protect myself. I don't know what's going to happen. You know, I don't know what's going to happen with Bennett. I don't, you know what I mean? And they and they they they they hang on to this. >> And when the truth comes out, it makes it look a whole lot worse. It makes it look like they were [clears throat] co calculating that they were that they were heartless, that they, you know, were just looking out for their best interest. You know what I mean, right? Do you understand what I'm saying? >> I understand. I know you're trying to juice me right now, but we could save a lot [snorts] of time. >> Juice me. >> Trying to juice me. >> I got nothing else. and and I I I respect you and you, but I'm not going to talk anymore because you're you're accusing me of of of killing Shelly. Um, so I'm done. I'm done. Th This can't go any more than than it has. All right. She says she's done. She's done. It can't go further. We still have more interrogation to go. Um, yeah. So, I think they do want her to claim it. I do. I think even if she claims it, doesn't mean that's what she's going to get charged with. But that's their I I I agree with you that that's their technique to claim it. So you can claim that you did do this crime. Just admit to it. Yeah, I'm with you on that, Candace. >> Because I've got nothing else to tell you. And honestly, I know you'll find out who did this. I believe you will. I I know the FBI is involved. You guys are great. I have no doubt you will find out who did this. But I'm I'm I can't talk if that means my dear little Benny can't come home with me. I I I'm not going to say anything. >> No, nobody said that. Nobody said I said no. It's not true. >> No. No. I'm not I'm done. I've been so cooperative with you guys. >> I appreciate that. You You know that, Janet, from the getgo. Yeah, but I I I have to not say anything else because you're going to keep juicing and juicing and juicing. >> Juicing. >> I'm sorry. That's how I say it. >> What's that mean? >> Trying to juice me for for for more. >> Okay. I squeeze you squeezing me. >> Squeeze you. >> I can't. There is no more that I know. I got nothing else. Can I ask you questions about Can we ask you questions about uh maybe Shelly like uh like her? >> Of course. Anything that helps in the investigation. >> That's such a contradictory thing to say. Anything that helps the investigation and yet she's like um now I am all for get your attorney. So it's not that. It's that if she thinks she's ahead in this game, she wants to keep talking. if she thinks they're honing in on her and being too hard with her, she doesn't want to keep talking. That's where it's weird. And of course, with your daughter actually being killed and you're not supposed to be the one that did it, I just feel like you help them in all ways you can, you can get an attorney. I I do think that whether you're innocent or guilty, you should probably have an attorney just so the police for sure do everything they're supposed to do and do all that due diligence. [laughter] Has she ever acted out with anyone else that you know >> rules at all? >> Oh god. Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah. They've they've been over the years. >> They've been subject to >> um Yeah, they've been subject >> like what if you don't mind? >> Well, the guitar incident. I know. Um they were hiding one time in my room from her. just a lot of yelling and they've seen her acting out which threatening behavior. >> She ever hit that. >> It's more threatening. >> Um yeah, Anna, she had her by her hair. >> How long ago was that? >> Probably. Jeez. >> Oh, that was on Nicholson. >> It's over. >> Eight years. 10 8 10 years ago. >> Yeah. [snorts] Do you guys by chance have a like a um CS or a breath mint or a cough drop? >> I just >> What do you think about her asking for the gum or whatever? Do you think it's really about her breath or do you think it's another reason she asked for that? >> It's coffee, but I just piece of gum. >> Yeah, please. >> Thank you. >> Mhm. >> So, you talk about drug usage. >> Mhm. And what kind of I know you mentioned marijuana before >> that I know for sure. Not at all or >> what else? When she's with Tommy. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And how do you know this? >> They she would tell me. >> She told me >> that she smoked spice or K2 or whatever you said. Well, she said that these last three days, the the bad three days in our home that he was um dipping into the that >> with another guy that lives in the building or something. Yeah. >> Okay. So, >> wait, but two people said this. Is that true? I thought Loveable Scorpion was making a joke. Does lion give you dry mouth? Is that true? Cuz y'all said it back to back. >> What about at the house? Like any did she ever use like needles? >> No. >> Did she ever use >> I would say cocaine or >> Yes, >> she did with Tommy the first time. >> Okay. But ever since >> studio. >> Okay. But after that she never mentioned anything about >> I think she did it one time leaving the Magnolia House. She used to go over there Magnolia Clubhouse. Um she said she met someone at Tower City and did some but I think that was it. >> Okay. And she was wrong. >> Oh, 3 years ago, two years ago. >> What about um you [clears throat] ever hear of her uh like fentanyl or heroin? >> I would say no. >> Okay. >> Not to my knowledge. >> All right. >> No. >> What was she wearing when last time she left the house? >> The last time you saw her, what was she wearing? Well, she always sleeps in sweats or her PJ bottoms and she sleeps in a hoodie. So, that makes me think, you know, I didn't see her leave, but it makes me think that's what she was wearing when she left. If this was quick, you know, and then I determined the shoes. I didn't know what shoes, but I saw the shoes that weren't there were the uh white high top Sketcher style shoes with pink plaid, but they're old. They're real old, so they're >> But they were not in the home. >> Okay. >> So, I think that's what I think. See, I don't know. I didn't see her leave, but I would have heard her getting dresses. This is I think she was just out of bed and gone. It was quick. But you said you went down afterwards and shut the door or >> All right. I know I'm not going to be able to keep track of her timelines because when people are lying, they really make it confusing. They're all over the place. But if y'all can catch on, I do want to point out that they're they are trying to hone in on some timelines of the the story she's trying to make up about Shelly leaving the house. So, if you can catch the timeline, feel free to recap it in the chat. and dresses. This is I think she was just out of bed and gone. >> I'm going to go back a little bit more. >> See, I don't know. I didn't see her leave. But I would have heard her getting dressed. This is I think she was just out of bed and gone. It was quick. >> But you said you went down afterwards and shut the door or locked the door, >> right? It It occurred to me it was probably open for a little while. I didn't see her at all. I thought I heard it just unlocked. >> Um Oh, >> I think she pulled it. She had it pulled shut. So, I think it was just unlocked. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Has she ever been violent with Benny? >> Um >> let me ask you this. Was there ever a point was there ever a point where you said >> she's gone too far or that's too much? >> Just >> she respect them. >> Um yeah. Yeah. in access >> and see when I would work. I don't know really what happened. >> I'm not saying you per what you have seen. >> One time she was doing the airplane in a room. >> This is what happened. One time she did a airplane with him on her feet. >> Yeah. >> And the window the whole window broke there in the bedroom. >> Um >> how is the window break from her doing the airplane with him on her feet? Like I feel like it's she's skipping things. What? That doesn't make sense. like she he fell off or >> Right. Yeah. So that kind of stuff the >> How long ago was that? >> And then the cat got in the glass and had when Charles Benny I think got a cut. I think I could be wrong. [snorts] This is when I was doing caregiving. Um this would have been >> I don't think this happened then or I don't think her grandson got hurt because you would remember if he got cut up from a broken window. I really think you remember that. If you're like, "Oo, I can't remember." I don't think he got cut up if the window broke at all. >> It's been uh >> cuz you remember the cat was all in the glass, but you can't remember if your grandson got cut up from the broken window. >> September, Octoberish >> of this past year. >> Yeah. Of 14. Yeah. >> So, so she, you know, it's just that stuff, the the not thinking stuff. >> Irrational. >> Irrational. It's just unsafe. and meeting people at the playgrounds and stuff when he's running around and you just connect with whoever and your best buddies. >> Well, I mean, like I said, we've gone through the computer. We know she >> friends strangers and right >> because they look cool. You know what I mean? >> Right. Or they connect somehow. >> Very very dangerous. Very dangerous. >> That's what I mean. >> Um and then you said uh did you tell Detective West that you did take a life insurance policy out on Shel? Okay. Yes, we both did. She She was of, you know, she she and I >> Uhhuh. >> Um took it out almost two years ago. >> And what was the purpose of that? >> Well, I you know, cuz I didn't have life insurance on D. I knew I was the, you know, I'm the one that got the thought in my head that Jesus Christ, I'm the primary caregiver here. >> There it happens to her, which it could very well do because she's accidentrone. um and and just careless and meeting whoever and and you know I'm thinking we got to get something. So I convinced her we got to do this. >> So you went together and got it or >> um it was one of those things that just come in the mail. >> Oh, okay. >> The Globe Life. >> Okay. >> So >> Okay. Um I missed that on my first watch with the life insurance. But it is practical. That alone I especially with it happening two years prior to her her death I would be like hm you know life insurance the kids got to be taken care of you she is she was the primary caregiver but I do want to go with what Candace said she has to frame her daughter as more unstable than she's coming across. So, some of the things I now have in my list that she has framed Rochelle, the victim, as is dangerous, irresponsible, erratic, violent, um, careless, unsafe, there's drug usage that she claims, um, and irrational. That's what I have so far. >> And I'm not saying the victim was a saint. I'm just saying she has to highlight those things since, you know, she has to justify how it could have happened that somebody did something to her daughter. >> This is a good idea to have um let's do this uh for Benny, you know. >> So, she never she never used drugs at the house, you said? Never smoked no pot or anything at the house? No. >> Not in a room or anything like that? >> No. No. No. No. No. >> No. But >> what about strange men at the house? >> I would say no. >> No. >> Would Betty know this? >> Um, one time when I took Hannah to a volleyball thing, she had a guy in. >> Hannah did? >> No. >> Oh, >> when I took Hannie down to Kentucky for a volleyball tournament. [clears throat] She had a guy in the house. Yeah. When I wasn't there. >> Was that a rule that she wasn't allowed to have guys in the house? >> Yeah. No. No. She She I would say no. She >> was she pretty good about that with Benny like not seeing a parade of guys coming into her life or parade of guys or no didn't really >> see >> she had no care about that >> came up on her cuz I would always pick them up. So one time at Lakewood Park there she is. He's playing you know and there she is with some guy that she just freaking met her her capries you know you can see her the crack and everything and her shirt is up. >> All right. So, the way she dresses, she doesn't like the way her daughter was dressing. Um, I'm putting that in there. And then also meeting up with strange men. And of course, that would put the grandson at risk. More reasons why she would want custody of Benny and not understanding why her daughter wouldn't give her custody. I don't think they she was just kind of hanging on, you know, and it's like, >> right, >> this was probably a year ago, last summer. >> Um, >> what about hang up phone calls at the house? >> Say one more time. >> Hang up phone calls at the house. >> Hang up. >> Did you do you have a a landline at the house? >> I got that disconnected because we never used it probably about four years ago. >> Well, you guys shared a phone, right? >> We shared a phone for the last three months cuz she lost it again. >> Hang up calls to you. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, god. I got all the credit cards. Those are my credit card calls. If you're looking at calls. >> No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying like uh uh someone some strange guy's calling the house and you answer the phone. Click. >> Oh. Um >> or someone weird ones coming in. There's been some weird ones coming in lately >> where he's like, "Is Pete there?" It could have just been a wrong number. It could have just been a wrong number. Would Chile ever hide the fact that she was meeting other guys or anything like that from you? >> Um, see, I don't really know what. >> Well, I mean, did she I mean, if if >> Okay, so Kimu says, "Seems like she's trying to validate her doing to this this to her daughter." I agree. And I also feel like the the detectives are reinforcing her feeling of you should I see I see why you would feel justified in doing this. So just let us know that you did it. We we would see how you got here. It was a one-time thing. You were you know you were protecting your grandson. Like I Yes. I feel like they're reinforcing it and she's definitely adding to and painting pictures. I feel like they were actually trying to I don't know if I don't know if Rochelle actually did harder things than marijuana, but they definitely asked her about harder drugs a lot. They were asking her about fentanyl, heroin, and some other stuff. Um, so I don't know if they were just trying to see how bad she would paint a picture of her daughter or if they found stuff in her daughter's system. >> She asked you for rights because here's the other thing, too, is obviously Shel was dependent on you. >> Mhm. [clears throat] >> To to take her place. Oh, yeah. Sure. Or she'd get picked up. >> Or she'd get picked up. Sure. >> Now, >> have you ever taken her to a guy that she's met or a place like other than Tommy? >> Oh, yeah. Oh, god. Yeah. Over the years. Sure. >> What about recently? >> Sure. Um, Brandon would be the most recent probably. Um, and then there's stuff where she just walks places. >> And where was Brandon at? >> Um, he's the he was her last boyfriend. long term longer term. Avon >> Brandon Smith >> is that the the black guy that lives at the Chester? >> I don't know. Um in those >> section A housing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. [snorts] >> Yeah. You said I would take her there all the time. >> You said Avon. >> Yeah. So I would take her out there. >> When was the last time you took her out there? >> All right. I don't know if this is where it is, but I'm going to say it just in case this is where it happens. Remember when they first breadcrumbmed? We scoured hours and hours of the highways, the routes, and from the from where Janet I mean from where Rochelle's body was found to from the house. So from the house to Ro where Rochelle's body was found. Now they're asking her, well, who would drive Rochelle around? Janet, the bomb we're looking at now, would be the primary person that drives her around. So I they're calling back to what routes did you take? Who were you dropping her off to? Who was the most recent person she might you might have brought her to? All those things, right? So, they're gonna close in on this route in a little bit. I just don't know what part. >> Um, boy, probably going on a year. >> Okay. >> But, well, what were we, Marsh? Probably nine months. I think they last saw each other in the summer. >> But I'm I'm asking like recently, like within the last couple months, last two months. Did you >> There was Tommy. It was just Tommy. >> Just Tommy. So, she with him. >> See? So she come home. Jesus. She talked to other people when she'd come home from him. >> But you never took her to go meet anybody else. >> I think no. >> No. >> Didn't Tommy think that they were exclusive? >> I don't know what he thought, but >> was he a jealous guy? >> He told me once that she would tell him she has other boyfriends and stuff. Did it get him jealous or >> I don't know >> the truth? I think he I don't know how he >> I also want to know does Janet this woman resent Rochelle for accusing her dad Rochelle's dad her husband I guess of touching her cuz cuz um they don't really go back to that too much but she said oh Rochelle always makes up stories she's always storytelling and I wonder does she resent that that came up and I wonder was Was it ever investigated? And obviously if it was, it didn't come back. That he did for sure. But I just think about that like Rochelle's issues could have stemmed from possibly being touched by her dad or whoever that man was in a father figure role. And you are saying she's a storyteller. Storyteller. Storyteller. So that could be a big issue. It might not be anything to do with needing medication or cuz you know like I mean the thing she's describing can be a child that's a victim of stuff like that >> felt I don't really know he would still stay with her you know I don't know if he had other when she wasn't there if he had other people >> there's a huge age difference between the two >> she always well usually went for the older guys >> so what yeah what would she tell you about her feelings for Tommy. >> Um, it it just it would go like this. >> Did she ever confide in you and say she liked being there? >> I think I'm in love with him or I want to be with him or >> um I always overheard her say, "Love you. Love you. Love you." >> She never she never told you like, "Mom, I think I'm in love with this guy." Or, "I think I just want to be with him." And >> No. No. In fact, she would say, "Jesus, I don't know." >> So, she always go back. >> Let me just ask you real quick again about the putting the >> the her stuff in that bag. >> Okay. >> And And how did you what what prompted you to do that? >> Well, when I went downstairs in the morning. >> Mhm. >> I saw all her stuff there, her purse, and then >> where >> now all of a sudden she's recalling seeing her purse down there. But remember the detectives had to ask her if Janet left out, why would she leave her purse >> on the you know in my kitchen how that one part comes out? That's where she always put her purse. >> Okay. So it was in the kitchen. >> Y >> What about her makeup bag? >> Um and then her pillow was in there too. It was right next to her purse, which was odd. >> But the pillow wasn't in the bag. >> No, I didn't take her. She She would I don't know if she would have walked downstairs with her pillow. Well, where's the pillow at? >> That's up in her room. I took it back up to her room. >> Yeah, it was sitting right by her purse. The pillow she sleeps with. >> So, you threw the purse. >> So, I put the purse in um the makeup bag. Um her coat, the the latest coat she came home with. >> Um >> which wasn't her usual coat. >> And when did she tell you to do that? >> And and her hat. Well, when she said, "Tommy's picking me up." When I heard that, I thought I heard her say, "Just just pack my up." I think I think she said it because in my mind I heard heard it because I saw the stuff all her stuff there the next day. >> So then I packed it in that bag thinking that okay, well, he'll probably be back today, tomorrow cuz she's never without her purse at his >> She's never without her purse. She's trying to bring that up now, but I promise you I don't think she was thinking about that purse until the detective said her purse was still left in the house. Um, I don't think that it would be vague to you if you remember or not them saying your daughter saying pack my s up and then you actually go to pack it up cuz that takes effort. I don't think that I don't know why why be why would you not remember if your daughter did or didn't say that? Yep. She's messing up, sweet tea, with that pillow. Yep. Keep that pillow in mind, y'all. She's messing up. And then the times. See, she's answering the details about what might be in that bag, but she's not trying to answer the times of day that she may have been doing something >> else. That's It's very rare. Um, so I figure, okay, they'll be back or she'll be calling me to take it. And then I put it to the side. I forgot about it. I honestly forgot, you know, I would have >> Where did And where did you put it aside at? >> Um right there by the makeup, you know, in that by the back door area. [snorts] >> And then when the detective said, "Does she have a a wallet or a purse?" I said, "Oh, yeah." You know, so I got it. >> So she >> Can you understand? >> Yeah. >> Damn it. [clears throat] >> I know. I know. >> I know what it looks like. >> If J if you would put put yourself >> I would too >> put yourself in my just just arrest me you know >> just arrest me now >> it doesn't it doesn't make sense >> just arrest me now I know if you don't have anything on anyone else >> that you can't then I know I look like it I I know I do >> but you know what I mean like it >> she doesn't didn't have her stuff >> her pillows pillars pillows downstairs >> right so she would have walked down It wasn't in the bed. >> I have no idea. Did she >> I have no idea. >> I mean, do you understand? >> I can't explain it. >> I mean, all right, y'all. The pillow was not on her bed. Keep a eye out for when that pillow is mentioned again or what is the reason that pillow may be missing? She can't Well, we know why she can't explain it, but she's trying to I see how she's trying to skip over them challenging the details and just jump into arrest me. arrest me cuz you don't want them to walk you through the details of where they're going. >> I can't explain it. >> When when you look at, you know, uh, you know, what we do for a living, you know, >> we're very analytical. Yeah. >> You know, that's what we do. We try to >> we look at things and say, "What makes sense?" And anytime, you know, we've had female officers that are involved and and they'll say, "She didn't bring her purse. She was leaving the house and she didn't bring her purse." They're like, "Here's the thing. Something happened at that house." Remember what I told you? >> If I would have done something to Michelle, >> okay, at that house, >> why in the hell would I have left all herit there? >> Well, the thing is, >> why would I have left it there? >> The thing is, who would be who would be the last person that, you know, police would talk to, you know, or immediately think or or suspect something was wrong, you know, >> who's the last person, you think? >> No. Well, not I wouldn't say the last person, but at the time, you know, you police aren't saying, well, you know, mom called her called in and identified, you know, Michelle and, you know, I said our job was over there to try to get some information and piece together where she was at and stuff like that. So, you know, we don't think anything of, >> you know, until we start looking and saying, "Okay, wait a second here." you know, something's not something's not right. >> Okay? >> You know, not to say that you're not right. You know what I mean? Like >> you're great. >> I know. >> You know, you're just great. And uh not to say like something was wrong with you, but >> we say, "Well, why, >> you know, why um why is her stuff packed up?" And then and you say, "Okay, well, she you thought you heard her say, you know, pack my stuff." again, I'm, >> you know, >> half asleep and I know she's up moving around, >> right? But then we say, well, we also have to look at the body of evidence. You know, body of evidence is that >> um everything's telling us that she was at that house. >> Okay? you know, from the scene, everything's telling us that, you know, there's there's stuff and and I think Detective West told you this, you know, whenever you go somewhere >> Mhm. >> you leave something >> Yeah. >> and and you take something with you. >> Sure. >> You know what I mean? So, wherever you're at >> Yeah. >> You know, like for instance, here >> Yeah. >> You know, they're going to find my DNA in this. >> Sure. >> You know what I mean? They're going to find, you know, [snorts] maybe my thinning hair is falling out, you know, as we speak, you know, and uh they're going to find my hair in here, you know what I mean? But I'm also going to take probably some stuff that other people were in here >> um with me when I go somewhere. I'm going to take evidence that I was here, >> you know? And so when we look at what we gathered at the scene, >> okay, >> we say, okay, is there evidence that she was somewhere else? Is there evidence that she was taken somewhere else? >> Right. >> Well, we know she was wrapped in a sheet. Oh, okay y'all. That's one of the mic drop moments. They know she was wrapped in a sheet. Remember how they keep emphasizing? We know whatever happened to Rochelle happened at her home. They finally finally told Janet. We know she was wrapped in a sheet. Janet still going to take a little bit to catch on, but >> we know she was wrapped in a sheet. >> Okay. And then we come to your house and what do we find? >> Yeah. >> In a room. >> Okay. >> What do we find? >> Jesus Christ. No sheets. >> No sheets. >> No sheets on Rochelle's bed or somebody's bed. Rochelle was found wrapped in a sheet. One of the beds in Janet's house is missing sheets. When the detectives come in, the pillow is missing. Again, I want to say that they said at the beginning that Rochelle was beaten, suffocated, and then her body was dumped. So, I So, most likely there's a couple things I think they'll say, but the suffocation probably came from the pillow cuz it was blunt force trauma. The blunt force trauma did not kill Rochelle. That's what the coroner said. Jesus Christ. I see what you mean. >> We know that there was blood flow from her from her head. >> Okay. >> And what do we find in a room? No, >> no pillow. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Do you understand? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, you know, I'm trying to I'm trying to give you, >> you know what I mean? This is kind of a two-way street here. >> You know, I'm trying to be I'm trying to be upfront with you and I'm asking you, >> Jesus. >> You know what I mean? I'm asking you to be upfront with me. I've been trying to be more in my little bit of an analytical bag with this one, but I want y'all to I want y'all to listen to the dumb question that Janet asked, cuz it's a dumb question in my opinion. >> Yeah. You know, I'm giving you >> We didn't always have sheets on that bed, [sighs] >> but we know she >> But we know she was wrapped in a sheet. >> Okay. >> We know it. >> Okay. >> And we know she laid there for a while. >> You know, um there's science. There's science. >> We know she was wrapped in a sheet. We know she was wrapped in a sheet. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, where do we where do we look for a sheet? Where do we look for a sheet? You know. >> Yeah. >> We say, "Okay." >> All right. So, when they found Rochelle, she must have not still been wrapped in that sheet. But they said there were signs she was wrapped in the sheet. And remember one of the breadcrumbs, they said, "We analyze the fibers that we find on, you know, on the remains or whatever. >> Let's look. You know, there's no sheep now. >> Yeah. >> So, you tell me what else. You can't tell me how else. >> Well, I'm telling you, I've told you something. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like, >> I need >> You know what I mean? That's why I'm telling you. I'm not lying. I'm not making this stuff up. >> I'm not attacking you >> based on just, you know what, I have a hunch. I'm not, as you said, uh, squeezing you, right? >> Juicing. >> Juicing. Juicing. I'm not juicing you. Okay, I'm not juicing you. I'm telling you the truth. >> As sure as God made little green apples, >> yeah, >> I'm I know >> for a fact that now we look at the house and we know something happened there. >> And we look at who who is home, >> you know, and like you said, you know, Bennett, you know, Bennett didn't do anything. No, >> you know, >> you know, like I said, I mean, >> I wish I wish we dealt with more people like you. >> You know what I mean? I'm serious. I wish we dealt with more people like you. And it pains me to have to talk to you about an incident like this. You know what I mean? Because >> I care. And I know you care. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? I know you care. I know you care. And I know that deep down inside. I mean, you are just you're a great person. There's no doubt about it. >> Yeah, I think you are, too. >> Oh, thank you. >> I knew that right when you came in. >> But, but >> I know you care, you know. But I also know, and I told you this before, whether or not I've seen I've seen priests, I've seen pastors, I've seen good family men. I saw a guy one time, he was married for was it 40 or 50 some years. Guy was in his 70s. >> Wow. It's a long marriage. >> And uh Yeah. Jesus. >> He I'm not kidding you. He was in this marriage for a long time. >> Yeah. >> And uh one day he ended up killing his wife. >> Yeah. >> Um and you talked to they talked to the neighbors and they said, >> "Wow, that guy was such a sweet guy." >> Yeah. and his wife nagged him and nagged him and she was the kind of lady that would steal take the ball when the neighborhood kids were playing and a ball went in your yard. She would take it and >> you know she was just as she was just as bad person >> you know and so >> he snapped. >> Yeah. >> He made a mistake. >> Yeah. >> And the neighbor's like you know what he's a sweet guy >> you know and >> back to her trying to get her to confess to her crime of passion. what should happen to them? Well, the very minimum, whatever the very minimum is. >> Yeah. >> Is is what they gave them. >> Yeah. >> You know, and I think a lot of times, and like I said, when people do things, they're worried about the consequences. They're worried about what's going to happen to them. Oh my gosh, am I going to go to prison for for my life? You know, the whole life. But what happens is we allow them to tell their story, you know, we allow them to tell their side of what happens, you know, and and we get to see it because we're investigating it. We get to see, you know, the bad side of what they say a victim, you know, they call them victims and and and we get to see, you know, some of the worst. Mhm. The fact that he air quoted victim, he wants, in my opinion, he's trying to make her continue to feel safe and we would understand if you did this because I mean, look at the type of person Rochelle was cuz you not air quote victim that that got beaten and suffocated, dumped on the side of the road or wherever y'all found her in plain view. So, okay, they they trying like we said, buttering her like a stack of pancakes, >> parts of them. And you'll hear people say, "Well, >> I knew something was going to happen to them because >> yeah, >> they they constantly cracked on other people. They constantly treated people like crap." And you know, >> and so, like I said, you know, I'm trying to I'm trying to give you somewhat of the information without giving >> the case away, you know what I mean? So to speak, >> right? >> You know, and I'm not juicing juicing. I'm not trying to juice you. I'm trying to tell you the facts. I'm trying to be up upfront with you. >> Okay. >> So, like I said, when I say we, you know, we know she was wrapped in a sheet. >> Yeah. >> Um >> are you able to tell me description of the sheet? >> Well, listen, here's the thing. If we find the fibers, >> right, >> and they come from the house, >> right, >> it's best that we know ahead of time what happened. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Yeah. Are you able to tell me what it looked like? I told y'all she was going to ask that dumb question. I told you a dumb question was happening >> cuz then I can tell you if that came from my house. >> Well, we don't have I said we don't have the sheet. >> We just know it was a sheep. >> Okay. >> You know, but we'll have the fibers >> and so if there's fibers in the room, >> we can say that, you know, they came from there. >> Okay. >> We also can tell, you know, animal hairs. >> Oh, of course. Turtles is everywhere. >> Yeah. You know, you know what I'm saying? So everywhere you go, you pick something up. >> Yeah. >> And you take it with you. >> That's mine probably. But yeah, he's everywhere. >> But like Detective Mlaughlin said is that >> it's always best to tell your side of the story first. >> You know, before the evidence, >> I had something to tell you >> before the evidence. >> I would tell you, >> before the evidence speaks for itself, you know what I mean? before it speaks for itself. If we go to if we go to a prosecutor and we say, >> Mhm. >> listen, this is what's this is what happened. This is the story. >> You know, Janet [snorts] was cooperative. Janet was upfront. >> Janet's kind of like a saint when it comes to having to endure what she had to endure. >> There's a crown. There's a crown for you up in heaven. >> There is. I don't know. I'm not all that good. Oh, they they putting it on thick, aren't they? Not a saint in a crown. They are trying to lay it on thick. >> Listen to me. Listen to me. >> I'm not that good. [laughter] >> You're better person than I am because I don't think I could hack them. I don't think I could hack you. >> Well, we we do what we have to do. We all do. Well, we all have something. >> You can I can tell you being in social work, >> other people have stuff. We all deal with our own things. >> Oh, we all have our own cross to bear. I understand that. But if we're able to go to a prosecutor and say, "Look, she came clean. She told us what happened. You know, this was a spur of the moment. This wasn't a pre-calculated um homicide. This is what they call a, you know, crime of passion. You know, and she was upfront and she obviously is remorseful for what she did. She didn't intend on hurting, >> you know, anybody. You know, that's what >> that's what we'd like. You know what I mean? You'd like me to just please I didn't do anything here. Please. I know we can sit here another. >> Have you ever taken Have you ever taken like or heard anybody taking like a polygraph or anything like that? You ever take >> All right. Introduction of would you take a polygraph >> those? >> No. Um, then I would maybe, but um, if I'm doing that, I would want to definitely have an attorney to advise me on that. Um, because my late husband said, "Don't if you if there's ever anything, you know, he was a criminal defense attorney." >> Your husband was? >> Yeah, my late husband. >> I know. >> Yeah. Don't The polygraph show false. >> Uh, Daryl Tyerski. >> Daryl. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> I remember him. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> How long ago did he pass? >> Uh, he passed in um >> 15 years ago. >> Bingo. Yeah, >> it was 15 years. >> Yeah. August 24th, 99. >> Yeah. >> Are you kidding me? >> No. >> That's my daughter's birthday. >> Oh, God. Love her. >> Yep. >> Wow. >> August 24th, 1999. >> What? >> Yep. >> Oh, Jesus Christ. [laughter] >> What? That is just >> Yeah. Yeah. >> What do you remember what time she was born? Uh, don't tell my wife because I can't remember. >> That's okay. He he passed away at just at just after the 23rd, 12:15. >> Okay. And now she was born like maybe 6:00 or 7 in the morning. >> Oh, okay. >> So later. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Well, that's why I know you're a good man. [laughter] That's something we like. Janet, I think you I think you're a good lady. >> I could tell when he walked in like I like that guy. [laughter] I think Darl would agree with us that uh everybody makes mistakes and that >> Oh, you're you're >> Absolutely. He made plenty. >> And the man upstairs >> made plenty. >> Uh >> and so have I. >> Yeah. >> And agree with me or not that you would be judged on what you do to make things right versus what you do that made things wrong. >> Absolutely. And that goes along with what we're saying as far as >> well you show me what your cards and I'll show you mine >> because when you're reactive >> Yeah. >> to evidence [clears throat] versus being proactive and getting out in front of it. >> Yeah. and admitting the mistakes, it looks better for you or it looks better for whomever versus waiting for things to come in and then >> you know like phone records and DNA and that stuff. That's like concrete stuff. >> Yeah, >> that stuff you can't >> Yeah, you can't dispute that. >> You can't dispute that stuff. [snorts] So this I definitely pegged him as the this is the circle back detective, the anchor detective. Let's get this back on track detective. That's who he is. Whereas this one's our personal connection detective. I mean, even if you look and I didn't wasn't thinking about this before, he's more official behind the desk. You got the desk between y'all. He's more got the whole let me give her the open body language. We're just two people talking. my my child was born when your husband passed away and I think you're a good, you know, whatever and all this other stuff. So, he seems like the more open one where she treats him more as the official official, but they both perform the same capacity though, right? But yeah, um interesting. I mean, and and again, like you said, you want to help out as much as you can in order to find the person that did this. And we want very much to find out [snorts] >> who did this to show it. >> Yeah, I know. >> And we're not going to stop until we >> Oh, I I don't think you would would ever stop. I know you won't get to the bottom of this. I know it. >> And forensic evidence doesn't lie. I mean it's I know >> you know just like I know >> just like you know when you look into a car and you look with the naked eye you really don't see much especially if somebody's had a chance to clean things up >> but when you start throwing around years and years of proven chemicals and stuff like that >> sure >> you start to see stuff >> especially that I mean you see it all the time that it starts to prove theory it's >> and she probably left so many holes open in how she thought she was how to get away with murder But um because just the fact that you um cooperate well, you kind of can't help but to cooperate with a warrant. It's a warrant. You don't they don't need your permission at that point. But you hadn't put sheets back on the bed. You had a stripped bed still there. You had a missing pillow that naturally looked like it should have been there cuz they're like, "Hey, we notice a pillow missing." So this must have been an obvious pillow cuz they don't know your house like that. Um, so if you have those holes missing, then you got her stuff packed up in a trash bag talking about it's because she told you to pack her stuff up to move and you're you're trying to lean on the fact that she probably went out to meet with some strange guy or somebody, but you didn't even get her purse, you know, get her purse out the house, you got to give this up. You have too many obvious holes. >> Starts to show the path that someone takes. And I can understand the defensive position where you're like, "Look, I didn't do anything. You know, you got everything bottled up and like I didn't do anything. I just, you know, prove your case." But in the end, if the case is proven, it's going to be a whole lot different versus someone being completely honest and admitting mistakes. Because, you know, [snorts] there's been times in my life where I've said things out of anger. I've done things out of anger. >> I have plenty of times. >> Okay. I mean, we all do. And we all do. And we make mistakes. >> Yeah. >> And that is something undisputable. >> I'm not disagreeing with anything you say. >> Nobody's perfect. The last one they hung on a cross. >> Okay. So, [snorts] and right now we're we're in we're in your corner. >> I know. >> You know what I mean? Like >> I know >> we we would say we know the situation. you know, >> and I know you're doing your job, >> but what happens is, >> you know, someone when someone when someone doesn't, >> you know, when someone doesn't come clean, someone doesn't >> tell us the truth or someone doesn't give us all the facts, then we say, "That's it." You know what I mean? >> I believe that >> like right now. >> I'm ready to care. >> True now. >> Right here. I seriously cuz I I I know you're going to keep doing just might as well just just green me my rights and pull me in. take me and then I got to I got to make my attorney phone call and then seriously I'm not trying to give you a hard time. >> We don't No. We don't want to do that. That's the thing is that >> we want the truth and we want it to be >> so if I sit here and confess to murdering my daughter. >> No, no, no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. Arrest me. >> No, no, no. That's not what we're saying. >> No, I mean we have we have the procedures we have to go through. No, I get >> but we can also but but we also say look she's not a flight risk. She's not a danger to anybody else. Um you know and that's the kind of stuff that we would advocate you know like I said. Yeah. I mean obviously you know there's consequences for actions. >> Of course >> you know >> I I would never say to you you know just tell me what you did and and you won't go to jail. I'm not going to tell you that. And I don't make promises. >> Yeah. You know, I told you from the get-go, I don't lie. I don't lie. >> I I have the right to lie as a police officer, but I don't I don't because >> it can come back to [snorts] to bite you. You lose all credibility and and um you're no good. You know, >> I appreciate everything said. So, like I said, for me to for me to sit here and say, >> Janet, if you told me, you know, if you told me what happened, you know, you're going to walk right out of the station here. >> Yeah. >> No, I mean, you know, there's consequences, you know, and you probably taught Bennett that, and Bennett knows, hey, there's consequences, honey, something, >> you know, >> and so, like I said, I don't want you to, >> you know, think that, [snorts] well, if I, you know, tell them, they'll leave me alone and I'll I'll walk out of here. >> I know you have to do your job. Exactly. >> Um, >> and I I wouldn't enjoy it. Believe me, I wouldn't enjoy it. It would not be something that I get pleasure out of, >> you know, especially a person like you. >> Well, thank you. >> You know, >> but we also had to do the right thing for Shelly, too. >> Of course. And and just like >> of course >> just like Lieutenant Pek was saying as far as he can't make promises or anything like that >> is that you understand that there's certain and I'm sure Darl would have probably told you this is that >> there's areas that a judge >> looks at >> when he goes to the [snorts] punishment phase. Mhm. >> Would you agree with me when a detective or prosecutor goes to a judge or even >> people come up and and they'll say, "Look, >> so and so was honest with us. >> So and so >> told us, you know, was remorseful for the things that they did." >> Yeah. >> We'd like [snorts] we would be okay with so and so being charged with this instead of that. Yeah. >> Uh we're not looking for >> and that's something that my attorney will get into. >> Right. And and that's true. >> You arrest me. >> That's true. No. >> Right. then >> but then the question would be still is that you if someone's honest the defense or what we would do [snorts] is go out of our way to make sure that someone's honesty was very present or that they knew about this that they helped through the investigation. They admitted their mistakes and they helped with the continuing investigation versus look, every time this was brought up, the door got slammed in her face. >> I mean, that might help in small court like shoplifting or something. I don't really think that's going to help if you still, you know, kill a person for the reasons you killed them and did what you did. I I I don't think that's going to help. There was no help. There was no cooperation. >> Yeah. >> This this type of thing, you know, it's we wouldn't we wouldn't be looking for any type of deals or breaks or anything like that. Okay. And that the judge would only have one choice to charge with and that would probably be the most extreme versus the other where the someone was cooperative and helped out in the investigation and answered questions or put the puzzle >> trying to do it. >> Put the pieces to the puzzle together. tried to let you through twice without a search warrant. >> Well, you know, >> now you got the search warrant. >> The thing is >> again. >> Well, the thing is is that >> all through no representation. >> Well, the thing Well, the thing is, listen, right now >> and with her saying that all with no representation, your husband did not uh rub off on you. Well, how are you sitting here for an hour with no defense attorney with [laughter] you and just answering questions? You're adamant he told you not to take a polygraph test, but he wasn't adamant in telling you that you shouldn't uh sit down and answer any questions at all without an attorney present. >> You know what people are thinking? People are thinking that there's this monster on the loose. You know what I mean? Like >> Yeah. >> You know, like they they see, you know, that Shelly was found and and uh you know, you know, we don't know who did this. You know, it's like, >> "Oh, I'm sure you're getting pressure from the from the public." Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. You know, I I have a duty to protect the citizens of North Ridgeville, you know. Sure. And when the people in North Ridgeville are thinking that, hey, there's there's a there's a killer on the loose. [snorts] >> You know, >> Yeah. It it there is a lot of pressure. >> Yeah. >> But you know what? I'm not going to >> I'm not going to cave into that pressure. >> Yeah. >> You know, and just put somebody in jail just to put somebody in jail. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> And I'm not going to make things up. I'm not going to, you [snorts] know, I'm not going to lie and and and do do whatever I have to, you know, and unfortunately, you know, that happens in the past. It's happened a long time ago. We don't do we don't operate that way. [snorts] >> What we want to do is we want to assure people that, hey, >> you know, this wasn't, you know, and and I can't, unfortunately, I can't release that evidence to the public. I can't say well this is what we found you know and you know really some of the stuff that I've told you is a lot of stuff that's you know really shouldn't be >> you only told one thing for sure >> but I'm just telling you is >> that we know we [snorts] know what happened happened to Shel at the house >> and right now like I said you've been you've been cooperative with us and I want you to continue to be cooperative with us all the way to the end you know what I That's what I'm trying you ever you know like they cooper people you know people cooperate cooperate cooperate they get to that you know and they don't that hurdle and they don't know if they want to cross it because they know there's you know this is it you know we're going to go plunge full in you know this is it I got to go all the way it's now or never >> you know and that's what we're trying to tell you is that >> you know you know when you make that plunge it's scary >> it's scary it's scary it's scary >> I got I don't have any more for you >> it's scary you Yeah, I got nothing. >> Scored as scary as to take that take that jump. >> What do I think happened to him? >> No, no. What I what I was going to say is do you think that uh >> that you'd be willing to take that uh that polygraph to help give us a list a little bit more to give us and you had a chance to speak with your attorney, >> right? I'd have to have representation. >> Could you do that? Could you do that today? Could you speak with that person today? >> Well, I don't know who I'd pick as my attorney. >> I I don't know if I could afford one. I don't know who. >> Do you have someone in mind that or maybe that you that your husband knew that Daryl knew? >> Yeah, but I'm not sure about those guys. >> Yeah, >> I'm not sure they'd be on my side. >> Yeah, I don't know about >> Uh-oh. What did she possibly do to her husband? He asked, "Do you know if someone could represent you from, you know, who worked with your husband?" She said, "I don't know if they'd be on my side." What did you do to your husband? What do you mean? Those are first people you should be able to lean on and be like, "Can you refer me?" Or That's an interesting response. >> Well, you you say that you you don't have any more, but there is more. >> So maybe in in in what more >> the polygraph >> do say one more. >> You say you say that you don't have any more to give. >> I've got no more information. >> But what I'm saying But I'm saying is that there is one more thing to give. >> Oh, what's that? the polygraph. >> I'd like to >> I want to >> Right. And I know you just said, but I I I guess what my question is is would you be willing to [snorts] maybe at least >> talk about >> speak to an attorney >> when >> in order to maybe facilitate that today >> in order to take the polygraph today like within the next couple hours. my attorney can't be some guy here connected to Lakewood or we can't dress a guy up in a suit and say here's your attorney. [laughter] >> I mean, I'd like to see that happen today, but I'm not trying to violate the your rights or anything like that. What I'm trying to say is >> I would say no. I'm not going to do a polygraph because I just know that they can give false reads and it sounds like I'm suspect number one. >> That's not the case. It's It's us trying to use. >> So, I'd say no. I'm not going to do a polygraph. I'm not going to do that. >> No. I The other thing too is, you know, Janet, when we when we leave here, you know, without a conclusion, >> you know. >> Yeah. >> It's it will come to a conclusion. >> I I will this will come to a conclusion. I know it. >> And and like I said, I I was hoping today, you know, based on who you are and based on your reputation and and the kind of person that you were >> that we could bring this to a conclusion today, >> okay? >> And that this would be >> and like I said, and I know we still have to comb through and gather a lot more evidence. We have to build a you know what what they call circumstantial case you know um because I guarantee >> Jesus Christ you got all the circumstance you need >> listen now I would say you got everything it's a circumstantial case >> well I'm just saying it's >> you got all the stuff there you got the the history I know what it looks like >> but but listen but listen and again and what we're trying to say is that this is not you know The whole purpose of this is is to is to get closure for one >> and and second not only for [clears throat] not only for Shel but also for you. >> Absolutely. >> You know >> absolutely >> to to not be not be looking over your shoulder every time >> or worrying and saying you know did I do this uhoh are they going to find this? Are they going to find out what happened? Are they going to you know what I mean? Instead of that >> you know what I mean? And and it and it carries with you carries with you the whole time. >> I'm not feeling that way, but I know you already have stuff that you think >> makes me look guilty. The purse >> and Janet >> the sheet. >> Well, that's the circumstantial stuff. >> Well, it sounds like something. >> What I'm saying is that the next step would be to get the physical evidence >> that's the DNA >> may or may not already be had. Meaning [snorts] >> like we talked about >> Yeah. >> the stuff in the car. >> Sure. >> Or the stuff in the house. And what I mean by that is say blood evidence. Let's say blood evidence in the house or blood evidence in the car. >> Sure. >> Stuff you can't I mean that may already be had >> at this point. >> There's bleach in my back. Dang. There's bleach spots in the back of the van. >> But I spilled a bottle of bleach. >> When did you spill that? >> So they're going to >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Cuz I missed this. I must been working too hard when I had this video playing the first time. She said, "I know there's bleach spots in the back [clears throat] of the van cuz I spilled bleach." Come on, man. Janet, you should have been got an attorney and stopped talking. This is crazy. >> Think that's me bleaching out blood >> when? >> Um years years. >> Oh, that's not going to answer. >> So they'll they'll know. >> They know. Okay. Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Like you said, it's it's dissipated by then. >> Okay. >> When's the last time you cleaned your car? >> Um >> cleaned it like vacuum it. >> Vacuumed it. Washed it down inside. >> Not lately. >> Six months. >> Four months. Five months. Oh boy. Um, >> in the last >> months before winter. Before winter. >> So roughly October maybe. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And when we And when you describe what you did. >> September. >> Describe like >> summer. >> Summer. >> I just clean up the mess. There's so much >> like just take garbage out of it. >> Yeah. There's a lot of uh dirt. What about taking like Windex to the windows or >> uh Fantastic to the interior? >> Sometimes I do the Lysol wipes. >> Yeah, I just bought some, but I haven't used them yet. Yeah. >> So, you haven't used anything like that on the inside of your car in the last two months? >> Uh maybe on the steering wheel to kind of keep down with the flu in the winter, but nothing. No, it's so dusty and dirty. It's so gross. Just understand. She needs to understand they're asking that for a reason. I don't it if they're asking how did you clean how much did you clean your car? Where did you clean your car? What part of the car? So, for instance, the steering wheel, they already know the answer to this type of question. >> You know, we have we have uh license plate readers. I don't know if you aware of those. and they're they're set up in various locations throughout KY County, Lorine County. >> Would there be any reason that one of the license plates readers would have picked up your car license plate in Lorraine County? >> All right, that that means that's not the county she lives in. Would there be any reason that a license plate reader picked up your license plate in that county? That is up there with the crucial question of why is her stuff packed up? Why is the pillow missing? Why were the sheets missing? Janet is cooked. And let's let's Okay, this is another one. She gonna walk y'all through her route eventually when they they're going to guide her there. And Janet is this is where Janet starts being real vague again like well I don't know, >> when when >> around the time of uh Shel's death. >> Um well um let's see now. Lorraine County. Um, when what day are you talking about? >> I'm talking about >> I would need to know. >> Well, I'm just talking within Okay. >> This was the day that Shel's body was found. >> Okay. >> 15th. >> 15th. So, anywhere from the 12th, 13th, 14th, or 15th? >> Uh, the 14th. I uh picked Hannah up at Oberlin. I'm going to say it because y'all have been so committed so long into this video for the I know I saw these two people that said it. I don't think Janet did this by herself here. Okay, you keep hearing Hannah's name come up, right? So, pay attention to Hannah's name if you hadn't been. Um, but yeah, so her route that she may have done, she wasn't thinking about license plate readers. But yeah, Hannah, uh, Hannah, I think Hannah's the one that plays a role, but y'all were on to it when you were like, I don't think she did this by herself >> and brought Hannah home >> and how do you go to Overland? >> Um, turnpike. >> Turnpike. >> And where do you get off? her up um typically the turnpike. >> And what what exit do you get off of the turnpike? >> Overland. >> There's no exit. >> Yeah. >> Which is >> um I picked her up on the 14th in the afternoon. >> Yeah. >> To come home to look at >> There's an overland exit on the turnpike. >> Um Yeah. Right off the overland off the turnpike. Sure. [snorts] >> And then and then which route do you go? >> Uh down that 57 it would be. Oh, okay. So, you take the turnpike to 57. >> Yeah, just that first turn first exit. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, there wouldn't be any reason [snorts] that they would read your plate coming off of uh onto Lorraine Road there. >> Lorraine Road. >> Mhm. >> Like Northstead, North Ridgeville. >> Lorraine Road. >> There's like McDonald's Sheets. >> Um I don't No, I don't know. I don't think so. I don't recall where that is. McDonald's and Sheets is where in North Ridgeville. >> Yeah, it's on the Rain Road. >> No. No. >> Okay. So, good question. Uh Bonnie said, "Is Hannah a sister?" I think Hannah is the younger sister of Rochelle, the victim. And and remember Janet said that maybe 10 years ago Rochelle had been violent towards Hannah, like swinging her by her hair or something. Don't know if they had other issues after that, but I I I think the relation is Hannah is also Janet's daughter, which is Relle's sister, the victim. Michelle is the victim, in case you just came in. >> But that's Saturday. What time Saturday? uh afternoonish, early afternoon, picked Hannah up. >> And where did you bring her? >> Uh to the house and yeah, she hung out and we did some uh um uh looking for summer internship stuff >> on a computer, >> I pretty sure. Yeah, it was on the computer. >> Um or on her laptop. I can't remember what she did. But we just uh did some, you know, usual stuff. Hung out, got her some going to take some clothes back. Um >> and when did you pack up um Shell's stuff? >> Um that probably would have been on when I came down on the 13th and saw it there. About when >> that that morning >> when I was going to take Penny to school. >> About what time? >> Um, what time would have that been? [snorts] >> Timelines are getting more vague and more vague now that they're honing in on some things. >> 8 8:00 a.m. But I don't know if I packed it up then. That's when I saw it. When I uh that would have been around when I saw it. Um, >> when did you pack it up? >> When I packed it up. Let's see. Um, probably that afternoon. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Was anybody in the house with you when you packed it up? [sighs and gasps] >> Well, Benny would have been there. He might have been watching TV. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> But Hannah or Hannah hadn't been home yet. >> Oh, no. No. >> So, you went and picked up Hannah. Yes. Saturday. >> She came home that Saturday. >> Okay. >> Yeah. For a little. >> And so >> that Saturday you were in Lorraine County in the late afternoon. >> Yep. >> About what time? >> Uh early afternoon. >> Early afternoon. >> About what time? Um 2 2:30ish probably. >> Yeah. >> And so did anybody travel with you out there? >> And Hannah would know. You can ask. She'll know more about that >> when you went to go pick her up. >> Yeah. Yeah, she would know. >> Did you stop anywhere along the way to go meet her? >> I don't think so. Don't think so. >> So you got on the turnpike? I think I think that's that's that's >> Well, I mean >> I mean I'm trying to think. >> When you normally go pick up Hannah, where did you go? >> Yeah, I on the turn bike. >> Would have been. >> All right. So, you went on the turn bike. >> Mhm. >> You didn't get off at any of the other exits. >> Um I don't think so. No. >> Yes. We are so nosy. I love it. [laughter] G said, "Oh, what he looking at?" He got to be looking at routes. He has to be. Look, here we go. We'll be nosy together. This ain't gonna help too much, but it's looking like a map. Like a some kind of map or some kind of [laughter] I'm ready to be nosy, Bonnie. Let me get my stuff back together. I'm ready. But yeah, he definitely has some kind of geographical something pulled up. It's real blurry over here. >> Okay. >> No. So, Saturday about 2:30, [clears throat] >> you got on Turnpike and you got off at 57 exit, >> I think. So, >> and then you and then you went down 57 north or south. >> Um, where would that be? To go into Overland there? >> Yeah. Pick her up. Now, do you get on another highway to get to get to Oberlin, like down 57 to Route 10? >> 10. Where's 10? >> It's another highway. If you go south on 57 and you hit >> Okay, >> we're 480. >> Okay, >> you know where 480 and route 10 or 20. >> Look at the screen, Janet. He pulling it up for you. You ain't got to go off your memory. Just look at the screen. Well, just show me just show me how you go how you went to overland. That's all I wanted to know. >> Well, if you just came in, they hit a crucial moment. They said, "What if I told you the license plate readers picked up a a license plate in a certain area? Would you have a reason to be in Marine Marine or Marina County?" This is uh near Cleveland, Ohio. They talked about a a town called North Ridge, North Ridgeville, in case you want to know. But they're having her trace back on the 14th when she picked up Hannah, which I think is her other daughter. Her victim is her daughter named Rochelle. And um basically they're like, "We know you killed your daughter and dump dumped her body probably in Marine County." cuz they're they're breadcrumbming the evidence to her. So, you know, we're trying to figure out what what are they trying to get her to say cuz we don't know. We're just following the interrogation. But that's what's happening so far. So, now [clears throat] they're like, "Point out your route to pick up Hannah." >> Yeah. If you go um right there where the Midway Mall is and go right there is the interchange. >> Midway Mall there. >> Yep. And then you take 57. Did you go? Yeah. See the Midway Malls here where you get off on the on the turnpike. >> Yeah. >> Is right there. >> Yeah. >> Or right here. I'm sorry. So you go south. >> Yeah. That's where the first exit south overland. >> Would you go to 113 and cut over >> 113? I don't think so. >> Or 57 kind of. >> Yeah. down down 57 into Overland, right? >> Isn't that why the way you go? >> If you go west, keep going west and you go to 58. Keep going. >> Well, you know, you just take the turn. >> Yeah. See, there's over right there. 58. >> Oh, 58. I say 57. Yeah, 58. >> So, yeah, >> there's a 57, right? Oh, so you get off at um you take 58 all the way down. >> Mhm. >> From the uh turnpike, >> right? Yeah. >> I know there's an Amhurst exit right there. That's it. So, you get off right there. Okay. So, you didn't you didn't get off? >> Yeah, that's the Amherst exit. >> Okay. So, you didn't get off >> before that. [snorts] I don't think so. That's the way I take the overland. >> I mean, would you have stopped to get lunch or anything? I don't think so. >> How long of a ride is that? >> So, >> from your house? >> About 40. >> 40 minutes. >> Yeah. >> So, if you went door to door about 40 minutes. >> Yeah. About 40 minutes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How many times have you driven that? >> Good. >> Yeah. >> I drive that a lot. Yeah, pick her up quite a bit. >> Well, I No, she doesn't come home that often, but but um >> you know, once a month, once every couple, you know, to get something or take that, just have a little away time. Um >> now, that particular day you brought her back home. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You ever drive out there, just spend the day out there or time out there >> sometimes? >> And then just go home yourself? >> Yeah. uh like to volleyball games or track and field games. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, there had been no reason for your vehicle to be read a plate reader um getting off at any other exits besides Route 58. >> All right. They just walked her through that whole route right from where she picked Hannah up, brought her back home. This is a easy simple question. There's no reason to see you getting off of anywhere else but where you just said, right? [laughter] >> That Saturday. >> Pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. >> What about this? Or that Sunday? >> Or that Sunday? >> Mhm. >> Um I drove her back that Sunday morning early. >> What time? >> Um she had a whole bunch of stuff to do that day. I would say it was morning. Morning time. >> About what time? [sighs] >> Oh, 7ish maybe. >> And so when you took her back? >> 6:30. 6:30. >> 6:30 7. >> Yeah. >> So she went back that Sunday. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So around 6:30 7:00 >> was when you left or when you got there? >> Um when I got to Oberlin, you say? >> Mhm. probably when I got there. >> Yeah. >> So, you got there 1637. >> Yeah. >> I want to ask you, do y'all notice if you were here in the beginning of the interrogation, do you notice a contrast between how long she answers questions now versus how long she answered questions in the beginning? >> All right. So at that time, did you guys get off at the exit to get breakfast or do anything? >> I don't think so. >> Okay. >> No. No. We We would have gone back. >> So you you never >> once got off the exit onto Lraine Road that Friday or that Saturday or Sunday? >> Road. I'm just trying to figure out where >> any exit county besides the 58 exit. >> No. >> So you never got off any any other exit? No. >> You never drove on like Lorraine Road? >> No. >> Or 480 or Route 10 coming back? >> No. >> So you went you went directly from the turnpike, got off at 58. >> Mhm. >> Got back on 58 all four times. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So there wouldn't be any >> any reason whatsoever that your vehicle would have been >> No. And when you were with her, you didn't drive somewhere to, you know, go get something to eat or anything like that? >> No. >> Okay. No. >> All right. So, it' be safe to say if your vehicle is spotted in that area, then you're in trouble. >> Um, >> correct. >> I don't know. I don't know. I >> don't know if >> I don't have any reason. If your vehicle was spotted in the area where Shelly was found. >> Mhm. >> And you can't you don't have any reason whatsoever why it would be that way. >> Okay. Now, I need to clear up something because I did see something in the chat earlier that said I thought she didn't use her vehicle. They gave her a hypothetical saying I won't lie to you and say I saw your vehicle as such and such when I really didn't see it because you could have used a different vehicle. Well, it turns out it looks like they're asking about her vehicle. So, that was their hypothetical to just say, "Although we're allowed to lie to you to get a confession, I'm not going to lie to you. I'm going to ask you questions of things that I already know and I I I you know what I mean?" So, for this case, they didn't um she didn't she must not use a different vehicle. That was their hypothetical example about a different vehicle. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Correct. >> All right. So that's what I'm saying like >> right >> when we go through the hours and hours of videotapes that we have to and uh >> your vehicle shows up >> Yeah. >> you're in trouble. >> Well, I would think so. I would think so. Fair enough. Right. I mean >> that's a fair question, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And like I said, that's >> I would Yeah. you know, you know, Jan, that's what you know, that's we'll we'll we're going to do all that. You know what I mean? >> I know. I know. >> And so that's why, like I said, and me and the tech McGlaughlin uh say is that, you know, this was always cuz, you know, the more hours and hours of manpower we put into this, um, the harder it gets for for us to to, you know, want to help people out or, you know, or not help people out. But for us to tell the prosecutor, hey, look, you know, you know, give her give her some, you know, some consideration here. I mean, she's had to go through all this. >> I believe you. I know that. >> You know, I know that. >> So, but uh and again, like I said, you know, the evidence is going to speak for itself. >> I know. >> And we just wanted to give you an opportunity to speak and that way >> Well, thank you. And well, in that way, like I said, >> but I know I'm suspect number one. >> Girl, at this point, stop the cap. [laughter] They're asking you so much pointed questions. They're like, "We see your license plate. We have license plate readers around the state. We see you." Um, uh, Kyle said, "Treny, I thought she said she didn't go anywhere, but I thought I was tripping." There was a day she talked about not going anywhere. They honed in on this day of the 14th. Um, I don't remember what month it was, but it was the 14th of some month. And that's when she went to go pick up Hannah, who I think is her other daughter. And so, they honed in on that because between her picking up Hannah and then taking Hannah back home, that's when Rochelle was killed. So, that's where she did go somewhere then. And she's not she didn't deny that. At least once they got to this map, she didn't deny it. U still answering questions without representation, but won't do the polygraph. Right. Right. I I just I know I am. >> How do you think Shel Shel passed away? >> I don't know. I feel she was picked up and I've always said I don't think it was Tommy. Uh could still be Tommy or she was picked up by a stranger. >> Okay. And so she was this whole time trying to build that that uh Rochelle was just out there with a lot of random guys. So anybody could have done this crime to Rochelle. For the ones that came in, shout out to EBT accepted that just came in. Ro um they've already revealed to her. They've already told her we when we looked at your house, you had a miss missing sheet. We have evidence that Rochelle was wrapped up in a sheet. You also have a missing pillow. Rochelle was suffocated. They didn't tell her she was suffocated yet. They just told her about the blunt force trauma that didn't kill her. Um, so she she hasn't in this moment heard about the suffocation, but the beginning of the video narrated that Rochelle had been suffocated and that's how she actually passed away. Um, so you got the missing pillow from her house, missing sheets on the bed from her house, and um, she died by suffocation or whatever. So just to tie that in on So when they're asking her, "How do you think she died?" She's like, "I don't know. Stranger. Stranger, stranger. But Ro, they said, "We can already prove she didn't leave the house that day with anyone. She had no plans to meet up with anyone. She hadn't been active on her Plenty of Fish account or any of her other accounts trying to meet up with people, all that." And and Janet was like, "Well, what if they could have planned it ahead of time?" They didn't just look at the day. They looked around the day to see if they she had planned. And then her purse was still in the house. So even if you meet up with somebody, her wallet at least or whatever will be gone. did Janet prematurely out here packing up her stuff in a trash bag talking about Rochelle told me or at least I think I remember her telling me to pack my ass up and that's why her stuff was in a trash bag. I'm thinking she forgot to make it look like Rochelle had either already moved out or randomly left and forgot to get Rochelle's stuff out of that trash bag and put it somewhere else cuz the stuff that you would normally take with you in the co in the cold cuz it was cold cuz she she kept talking about her jacket and her hat and all that stuff. She didn't she didn't move it where she should have moved it. Then they now they talked about when was the last time you cleaned your vehicle. They done found bleach uh residue somewhere. She tried to say she spilled bleach. They asked her which what about your steering wheel? When was the last time you would have cleaned that? She's like, "Oh, I cleaned that cuz I don't want diseases spreading." So hopefully that kind of catches you up on some stuff. >> Someone you just met or someone she was communicating with online. And what do you think happened? What do you think they did to her? >> I don't I I when I told the captain it was too soon to even think about it and I don't want to think about it. >> Mhm. >> But I don't think she was shot, right? There's no gunshot. He would have said that, right? >> Well, I don't know if he would have told you any details of how she passed, you know. >> Yeah. Um like again so >> well I just know >> but all I can tell you all I can tell you is that we know for sure that what happened to her uh was done by someone who wasn't thinking clearly >> you know >> who wasn't who wasn't himself you know what I mean? Yeah, I do >> because >> because it just and you and like I said, we discussed this before. I can tell you I can tell you that it wasn't a stranger. I can tell you it wasn't a stranger and it just appears that somebody panicked and the fact that um you know the coroner will probably come out here soon with the ruling. Um pending toxicology um he he >> we're hoping to know cause of death. Well, I think I think he I think he knows. I think he knows. >> Yeah. >> Um like I said, I can't share that with you um just because we have to wait for confirmation. >> Mhm. >> But like I said, I was hoping you could shed some light, you know, for us. >> I wish I could. >> I wish I could. Well, I said in, you know, my experience is that >> the polygraph the polygraph is uh >> is is a pretty much 100% accurate. It's it's who operates it, you know. It's it's the person that's getting uh you know, examined, you know, that that cause and and what it is is it measures stress. >> You know what I mean? >> Sure. >> It doesn't say, "Hey, she's lying." It says, "Okay, this is causing >> stress." You know what I mean? >> Um >> and so what happens is people can tell you, >> you know, they can look at you and say, "Nope, no, no, no, no." But at measure I know >> but their body is saying their body is saying >> oh crap >> yes you know they know >> they know and um you know so and and what it also does as much as it you know helps detect whether or not someone's being truthful or lying about something it also helps us to detect if someone's being truthful. >> Yeah. >> You know >> Oh sure. Um, and and I and I, you know, I I know a lot of people say, "Well, I'm nervous." And Well, they they know that they they get nervous and anxiety. >> Well, if if nervousness counted, no one would ever pass. >> Yeah. >> Because it's a nervous >> Everybody's nervous when they take a polygraph, right? >> Everyone. >> But these guys, >> they they know that and they they um they normally it's called norming, right? When they say, "Well, okay, her her stress levels here. We know. We know she's, you know, she's nervous. >> Yeah. >> At this level, but >> this whole meeting right here is nerve-wracking. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> You know, what can you what can you do? >> I understand. I mean, you know, being in your situation, I I can understand you not knowing what the future's going to hold. You know, it's nerve-wracking. >> Yeah, it is. Um, and >> that's one great thing that he kind of touched upon, and I don't know if you heard him when he said that, is that a lot of people call it the lie detector, and it's also known as the truth detector. >> The truth detector. Yeah, I've heard that before. >> So, um, >> yeah. >> You know, I myself, I'm an examiner, >> but I I can't polygraph anybody that's I'm close to the case to. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Uh, I believe in it. >> Um, obviously, no one can force you to take a polygraph. has to be completely voluntary, >> right? >> And just like you said, >> I feel like I'm being bombarded right now. >> No, I I think with the uh the parting words today, >> right? And the parting words would be to give it some thought. >> Oh yeah. >> At least a a legitimate effort of giving it some thought, >> right? Because what happens is during a polygraph is that you meet with the examiner and you go over stuff. >> Mhm. >> And he gets you to a point where you're comfortable with him. >> Yeah. >> And that no one's going to be there to pull the wool over your eyes and get you relaxed enough to >> talk about everything that's going on in your life and talk about everything that happened in regards to to Shelly. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And talk about the case, >> right? >> And then to take the polygraph and go over questions that you've already gone over and that you know, the great thing about a polygraph test is that you know the questions and you know your answers, >> right, >> before you even take the test. >> It's the greatest test. >> I will think about it >> and that's all we can ask you for. And then I I would ask that you >> speak with somebody about it. >> Yeah. Talk to an attorney about it. And like you said, we're not going to dress a guy up in a suit and say, "Here's your attorney." >> Someone you trust. >> Yeah. You know, >> which I don't trust any of them right now. I don't know who to trust. >> Well, [laughter] and like we said, >> Well, your husband was an attorney and he was wellliked by a lot of people. >> Not really. >> You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised at how many people I've talked to >> Yeah. >> that know your husband >> and that spoke highly of him. [snorts] >> Yeah. Oh, I know. Yeah. There's a lot of criminal defense attorneys that I like, [snorts] you know, and I know they're just doing their job. Just like you said, we have to do our job, you know, and I know they're just doing their job, right? >> But there's others that are, >> you know, scum. >> They're scum. Yeah. >> You know, but yeah, you need to find somebody you can trust. Um, and again, like I said, my hope was that, you know, before we left here that we could come to a conclusion, you know, and I understand my work's cut out for me and that's what I'm doing and that's what I'm going to do. >> Um, but be sure of this. >> Yeah. >> I mean, once you walk out this door, um, you know, everything's off the table. You know what I mean? >> What's on the table right now? >> Well, like I told you before, I mean, we would we would advocate >> What is on the table? Well, what what we would do is we would advocate with the prosecutor and explaining what happened. You know what I mean? To show that, hey, look, this is the life she had to she had to go through. This was the glue that held that family together. >> Oh, right. >> You know, but then that glue >> that glue can't hold on forever. You know what I mean? >> Every once in a while, and it [clears throat] it's going to break. >> Yeah. You can't put pressure on somebody and constantly every day, every day it's a battle. Every day putting pressure on somebody to to come through and perform and support and be that glue to to hold everyone together. You can't do that without it. There's nothing that's going to that's going to stay. >> Yeah. >> It's going to come apart. >> Yeah. >> And and whether or not it comes right back, you know, and it it becomes firm. You you yourself said this and I know this pains you to say that that right now the good of what happened here is that Bennett is better off. You said that, right? >> Well, um >> you said that when we got here. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> this is true. We're trying to make the the positive come out of this. >> Right. So, >> and I and I believe that >> if there's something that has to be positive >> is that >> as hard as it is to say it. >> Yeah. >> But like I said, I mean, >> and I'm also >> But if there's ever an opportunity, >> Benny, is he okay here? >> I'm sure. >> Where is he? >> Yeah. >> The room that you guys were in before, >> he is still here. >> Oh, yeah. >> If he needs anything, >> I'm not going to lie to you. That is not That's 100% honest to God true. cuz he wants to go to that flight date, >> right? >> Oh, and Hannah is going to the airport for her internship. >> Okay. Yeah, I know. She went over to >> Yeah, Hannah might have to hang that internship up. And that's also the first time I see her like maybe care. She probably does care about Hannah. And she definitely cares about her grandson Benny because I think her reason for taking Rochelle out is because she wanted her grandson Benny. >> Denious. >> Denious. >> Oh, good. So hopefully >> she's gone already. >> Yeah, she left like >> Okay. Right away. >> But but like I said, I mean like I said, you walk out of here today, >> we we we can't do anything, >> okay, >> in your corner. Do you understand? >> Yes. >> I I I mean I >> totally understand. I I just want you to know that I don't want you to you know now if you like I said if if you walk out of here today and you know you talk to an attorney or you talk to somebody and you say they say well >> you know Janet they're they're going to you know this is going to happen the truth will come out. >> Yeah. >> Um this is what we should do. I mean I'm I'm all ears. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Um but like I said at you know before before all that happens if this were like I said we make we come to a conclusion today the truth comes out >> we get you know we find out all the facts and we present that to the for the prosecutor >> you know and like I said this would this would probably you know be in more [snorts] uh detective McLaclin's court because we're in their city, you know, >> we're just I'm just country boy out in the city here, big city. I'm this kid, but >> but you know what I mean? >> But I know from from my experience and deal with my prosecutors, >> if I said, "Hey, >> look at this this lady." I mean, >> she's >> 44 years old. [snorts] >> 45. >> 45. Okay. She's 44 years old >> and and she's, you know, she's great. She's great. She's not great because this is so true. Jacqueline said Janet's Janet's husband's friends know who she is. So Janet was married to a defense attorney. He passed away. Don't know how. I'm kind of curious now how um and they said, "Well, you know, to take the polygraph, do you know any of your husband's colleagues? Maybe one of them could advise you, sit in on it or whatever to get you comfortable doing it." She was like, "Oh, no. They wouldn't help me." I'm like, "Your husband's colleagues don't like you." >> And uh this happened. This happened, you know, and we know it wasn't She's not this cold, calculating person. She's a caring, warm, loving person and made a mistake. >> Yeah. >> That's That's what I think happened here. >> I hear you. [clears throat] I hear you. >> That's what I think happened here. >> I know you feel that way, >> you know. No. >> And nobody likes to be lied to either, >> you know. Nobody likes to be lied to. And just like these lessons that you taught your kids growing up, >> and you'll be teaching Bennett these lessons again, >> is that honesty is always the best policy. >> Oh, absolutely. >> Honesty is always the best policy. >> I guess she teaching Bennett by example and not by her, you know, being with him. Like Bennett, I should have been honest or I shouldn't have done it cuz no, Bennett's going to have a new caretaker, which I'm actually like, who is taking care of the grandson? Cuz you you got caught. >> And the lesson, another lesson that you'll be teaching Bennett >> is that when you lie, you have to lie again. >> Mhm. >> And then you have problems keeping track of the lies that you told. >> Right. And that eventually the the old proverbial saying is that it comes around and it bites you in the ass. >> This is true. >> And much like we've been trying to stress to you, if this is the case, >> this is true. >> If this is the case, is that when the evidence comes back >> Mhm. >> nobody likes to be lied to. >> Yeah. I understand. I ready to hear the truth. >> Me, too. >> I'm ready to hear it. Amen. >> Right. >> And I know he will find it out. >> That's say I know it. >> If you want to give me a second, I'm going to go find out where Bennett's at. >> Oh, good. Okay, I'll skip through this part when they come in. >> Oh, okay. Great. So, he's still here, >> Benny. >> Yep. >> I've just been playing with you. >> Oh, good. What's it say? >> Said one day of cold, 364 days of fun. I'll take my chances. So, do you think they're done searching right now? >> No, they're still there. >> Oh. >> And you can't go back because it's still considered a scene right now. >> Jeez. >> And Charles is >> But soon. But soon. >> I can go back soon. >> Soon? Today? >> I can. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. They're not I mean, we're not boarding up your house or anything. Okay. >> So, >> so do [snorts] you feel then that I should get an attorney at this point? >> I can't offer you legal advice. >> Yeah. But I always tell people if you think you need attorney, get an attorney. >> Um I like I guess I said I'm not >> I'm not underhanded. >> I'm not going to back door you. I'm not going to >> uh you know tell you, oh no, no, you don't need it. You know what I mean? I'm telling you that if if you've done something wrong and I always tell people that if you've done something wrong and you feel like you need attorney attorney there's enough that you say you've gotten you know that you say the sheep you've gotten you've gotten >> um her purse and everything not there and the whole way it looks you haven't gotten anything on anyone else. So, I'm feeling like, well, maybe I should get an attorney. >> Well, and and like I said, that's, you know, >> an attorney is, you know, going to going to try to help you get the best possible deal or best, you know, >> so yeah, I would say if that's the way you feel. Like I said, again, I can't unfortunately I can't say, "Well, here's an attorney. I can, you know, I can't give you legal advice." I can't say, "Well, you need an attorney for this or that." >> All I can tell you is >> um >> then I ask about the polygraph. I'll ask about that. >> Yeah. And I'm not going to, like I said, I'm not going to tell you um you know, no, don't get an attorney. >> Yeah. >> You know, I don't do that. You know, I I've been I've been in this game long enough to know that, you know, just because someone gets an attorney doesn't mean that they're not going to be truthful, right? >> You know, they're going to they're going to, you know, talk to attorney and attorney might say, "Well, >> yeah, >> you know what, Janet, let's get ahead of this. Let's >> Yeah. >> You know, we know it's coming. >> Mhm. >> You know, we know the truth's going to come out, at least most of it. let's um you know, let's get ahead of it and we'll deal with it. You know, there's a big difference between spending your whole the rest of your life in prison >> or spending a few years in prison. You know what I mean? >> For a crime of passion. >> Mhm. >> For instance, I'll tell you, um we had a we had a kid we had a kid that stabbed a guy 64 times and beat him with in the head with a pickle jar. >> With a what? >> A pickle jar. >> Oh, wow. Um >> he got he got 90 days in jail >> because it was allegedly he was a victim of abuse. >> Yeah. >> And he got fed up. >> Mhm. >> And he turned around and you know >> Yeah. >> the judge saw that. >> Wow. >> You know the judge saw that this wasn't a pre-calculated >> you know what I mean? Um, so >> when I tell you, hey, look, you know, what's on the table, >> you know, it it it's I don't make promises. I don't make, you know, because again, we're in another county. So, I can't say, well, Kyo County is only going to give you 90 days, you know, because of what you had to go through. >> Yeah. >> You know, I can't promise you than. But I can tell you this in my experience >> is that there's far greater penalty and far greater charges when someone covers up and doesn't cooperate then as opposed to >> remorse. You know, and you know that and you know that with your kids, you know, >> if your if your kids did something wrong and they covered it up and lied to you, it makes you a lot more angrier than if they say, "Mom, >> I broke the window." You know what I mean? >> I hear you. So that's >> and and you know let your attorney know that too like hey look >> this is what they have. They won't tell me everything, >> right? >> But you know that that noose is getting tighter. >> You know, it's getting tighter. >> And um >> you know, >> and plus, listen, you don't I can tell that >> you have a conscience, you know what I mean? Like >> they still trying with her. She has no conscience. She doesn't. Right. Jacquine said, "Oh, well, that's not going to work or that's not going to be Janice's case." >> You know what's right. You're a caring and feeling person, >> you know, and for you to carry around something, >> it it'll destroy your life. >> Absolutely. >> It really will. It will destroy your life. >> Sure. >> You know. >> Yeah. >> It It'll be not one waking moment that you won't think about, you know. >> What happened? Tough to know that she's not going to be here, you know. >> Mhm. [clears throat and snorts] >> Bennett is about to get a happy meal. >> Oh, [laughter] he loves that. With chocolate milk. Good. >> He would like to speak with you. >> Okay. >> In your living room. >> Okay. >> Counselor. Talk to her. Talk with mom. >> Oh, okay. >> Grandma. I mean, and uh >> if we're me and you, we don't need to be in there. >> No. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I'll take you over there. >> Yeah. >> All right, y'all. We made it. We're about to hear I believe the sentencing should be at the end. So, we've made it to the end. You have hung in there. So, here we go. Janet Tyerski was released, but investigators continued building their case. Evidence suggested Janet argued with Relle, possibly over custody of Relle's young son, and then tried to suffocate Relle while she slept. While Relle fought back, Janet smashed her head against the floor, killing her. Janet kept Relle's body at home before enlisting the help of her other daughter, 19-year-old college athlete Hannah, to help her move it. Traces of blood on Janet's vehicle and surveillance footage of her driving with Hannah to the dump site proved conclusive. On May 5th, 2015, Janet Tyerski was arrested at her home and charged with her daughter's murder. She later pleaded guilty to murder, felonious assault, tampering with evidence, and abuse of a corpse. She was sentenced to a minimum of 19 years in prison. Hannah Tyerski pleaded guilty to gross abuse of a corpse for helping move Relle's body and was given probation. So there there's our conclusion cuz she wanted custody of her grandson. Did all that. I don't know how she got her 19-year-old daughter to do it. 19-year-old daughter had her future ahead of her. She was going to her internship. I need to know why. But I know you're like, I got to protect my mom. I owe my mom everything. You're not thinking like this could affect my life. Of course, we're going to get caught. All these things. Um but yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, probation is wild. That is wild. But that's that's the conclusion of this interrogation video. Um I will have more for y'all. Thank you for whatever phase you came in on. I appreciate it. Um, and yeah, we'll have another one. Oh, I have something for palette cleansing now. It's called pets choose their adoptive parents. So, on YouTube, it said like animal kingdom something channel, but it's like all you got to do is search for dogs choose their adoptive parents. I was balling my eyes out, y'all. It but in a good way. It was a good release. So if you need something to cleanse your palette, that's what that's what you can go to is the the the people sit there and then the the do they release the dogs sometimes one by one and they come in, they just lay their head on the lap of somebody that they're choosing to adopt them basically or they're um I don't know. And then the people they start crying and I'm I'm crying cuz they're crying and I'm It's a whole feel good. So if you need a palette cleanser that might be something. Yes, Jamie. I'm so glad you're enjoying it. [laughter] I'm so glad. All right, y'all. I will see you later. Bye.