Okay. Um, we're going to get started. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Uhoh. Hold on. Sorry. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Um, all the text messages basically seems like it's about to be read in this part. Um, I thought I was going to make it to closing arguments as well today, but it looks like this is going to be its own piece. So, they're finishing up with Sergeant Shannon Jones, which if you were here with me yesterday, um, or prior if you if you caught the replay, y'all saw Sergeant Shannon Jones. This is the new day. She's continuing to um, do her testimony. The first portion is back in that interview room for about a little under 20 minutes where the audio is not the best, but oh, after that part, she's holding pages and pages of the text messages and she's going to be reading them from the stand. So, you will not miss the disturbing things that were said in those text messages. Um, also at one point the camera pans to the back of the room and you can see what I think is Naziah's family. I feel like I recognize her grandmother and [sighs] I'm just looking like as as many of you have said, the adults failed Naziah. A lot of adults in Niah's life failed her. Um, I'm gonna try to take my notes and just keep most of my thoughts to the end on this one because there's not much to too much say once you start hearing these messages. Um, so yeah, trigger warning again. Obviously, the case overall is about a 13-year-old that is most likely has been murdered and there was an adult that is on trial, the defendant that um violated her, groomed her, and is is uh in court for being responsible for her death. So, with that in mind, understand what you are probably need to be prepared to hear when those text messages get read out. So, we'll go ahead and start. I may pause and have some commentary, but on this one, I think I won't have as much. Um, and we'll just get through this bad audio of the interview and then we'll get to uh Sergeant Shannon Jones back on the Yeah. Sorry. Thank you for telling. I'm so sorry. Hold on. I'll start it over. I didn't realize it was muted. Here we go. Yes, ma'am. >> I'm going back so y'all can hear his charges read out. Uh cuz I do want y'all to hear his charges. So, hold on. This is case 2459617, the people of state of Michigan versus Jarvis Butts. Charged with count one, homicide murder, first-degree premeditated. Count two, child sexually abusive activity. Count three, criminal sexual conduct, seconddegree, person under 13. defendant 17 years of age or older with a habitual offender fourth offense notice set for a continuence of a climate examination appearances. >> Good morning your honor. Tina Ripley on behalf of the people P83688 >> and good morning your honor Matthew on behalf of the people P82796. >> Good morning your honor. Good morning to your staff. Neighborhood defender services by P82125 on behalf of bus. >> Good morning your honor. Neighborhood defender service by Cheryl Quick P83973 also on behalf of Jarvis bus for council Lauren. and Mr. State your name. >> You can have a seat. Any preliminary matters before we begin with the rest of Sergeant Jones testimony? >> No. >> Okay. Can Oh, there she is. Um here is July today, >> right? How many pictures? figure out how to get them off the internet like >> all right. So then This is July and he's talking about here at this point. All right. So here I just remember I want to talk to you. Are you text me where you trying all this? And then you said why go upstairs in the bathroom. So you obviously at the house you said why? She said just go. She said we said no. And she says, "I want to say I'm going upstairs." Okay. I just want to show you. Yes. You know, she wants to follow. So, this is You said this is your mine. Give her some dick so shut up. So basically he's telling her some she can shut up and leave you alone. She only acted like that because she's And you said, "I want to see you while you're in the shower." This is insane. This is going to be >> Come back downstairs. She's I mean, she's pushing it, right? Hurry up. I'm walking back. come downstairs so I can sit on it and feel it real quick. I promise it's not going to be long. Just a few up and downs. Please, Daddy, don't tell me. So, when I talk about all these things, do you remember this day you were there and she's asking you to hurry up and go have sex with Shannon so she can have sex with you? Okay. Daddy turned into daddy. All >> [music] >> right, I'm going to clarify as best I can what y'all have heard so far cuz I don't know if they're going to say all these same text messages out there, but they do cover a lot of the text messages while she's on the stand. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. This whole case is a trigger warning. Okay, so I'm I'm paraphrasing some cuz I had to struggle to hear just like y'all, but I I hit replay a lot. Um, so Jarvis Bus texts Nia saying, "Can you make me something today?" Then uh there are more pictures between them. Um the the sergeant says, "Niah was still reaching out to you." Naziah texted him. This is around July 2023. the text that they're reading right now. They started in June 2024 for this particular time they're sitting down. Then it's going into July 2023. And Naziah says, "I want to talk." And these are between Niah and Jarvis the whole time. Nia says, "I want to talk to you. Are you busy? Text me. Where you at? Go upstairs in the bathroom." Um, Sergeant Jones says, "So you were obviously at the house." And I do want to point out to y'all, y'all remember when if you watch the other family members on the stand, they asked the grandmother, they asked Shannon Harris, uh Nia's grandmother, and Annette, I believe, and then Shannon Harris, which is Naziah's aunt, the one that has five kids with Jarvis bus, they said, "Has he ever been in the house?" And when they were on the stand, from what I remember in my notes, they said he would always wait outside. That's what they said, right? Well, based on these text messages, he was in the house sometimes. Um, so she's saying, "Uh, come upstairs." And then, um, Jarvis and the sergeant says, "So you were obviously at the house." Jarvis texts Naziah, "Why?" Naziah says, "Just go." Then she says, "We doing something or what?" Jarvis said, "Yep." Okay. Janna say, "Yep." You remember that's what they said. Um, Naziah says, "I want to lay with you." Jarvis says, "I'm going upstairs." Naziah says, "Okay, Shannon." which is her aunt, is going to be up there, too. I just want to chill with you. Jarvis says, "Is she?" Naziah says, "Yes." You know, she wants some dic, so she's going to follow you upstairs. The male detective asked something along the lines of, "Did Nazia mean Shannon when when Naziah was texting you? She's going to be upstairs and she's going to want some DICK." Jarvis says yes. like verbally he either nods or says yes to them while he's in this interview that y'all see right now. Then [sighs] um Jarvis texts Naziah back saying not getting any meaning Shannon's not going to get any from him. Uh he says this is your day to Naziah. Jarvis uh tells Sergeant Shannon Jones he was just entertaining Nia. He keeps standing by. I entertain the conversation. We never physically touched. We never did anything. Naziah then texts um Jarvis, "I know what's mine. Give her some D so her ass can shut up. Give her some so she can leave you alone. She's only acting like that because she's horny." Jarvis says to Naziah, "But I want to see you." Um, and then I had to put question marks because from what I could make out, he's saying uh while under the shower, but I'm not clear on that. But I'm telling you now, this that that sergeant is holding so many pages. They're probably going to go back over these dates as well. Um, and I said 2023, but this might be 2020. Is this 2022? I'm double checking my notes. I believe this is 2023. I believe so, cuz we're going to get to a crucial part when y'all were asking about um how far along was Nia when she was pregnant. So, I believe this is 2023. Uh they they skip between 2023 and some of it's 2022. Okay, so let me see. I'm finding my place. Sergeant Jones says, um the text continue on the same day. Naziah says, "Text Jarvis, come back downstairs. I want you back. Come down. Come downstairs so I can sit on it." And and then I had to put a question mark cuz I don't know what she said. Then she uh the text message says, "Fill it real quick. I promise it's not going to be long, just a few up and downs. Please, Daddy, don't tell me you're scared." Sergeant Jones asks, "Do you remember this to Jarvis?" And basically he he's mumbling as y'all can see. I can't make out half the things he's saying to Sergeant Jones, which is the woman in here. Um, and Sergeant Jones says, "So this still didn't happen. So you're still holding strong on the fact that this is all you entertaining, uh, Naziah." And then Sergeant Jones says, "So now you've turned into daddy." And then she reads a text message that says something about in the shower, Jarvis mumbles something. I can't understand what he's saying. Um, Sergeant Jones says again, "So you were still entertaining her, meaning Naziah." And she says, "So, okay, so still nothing's happening. No kissing, no nothing, no touching, rubbing, nothing." And Jarvis says, "Right." Okay. And we're going to catch back up there because I I think I'm ahead of them actually talking. So, we're I'm going to hit play. But I just wanted y'all to not be sitting here listening to garble nothingness. And some of it I can make out. So, that's what I made out. So, I'm going to hit play. No kissing, nothing. No touching, rubbing over here. You better hurry up. She's trying to get you to sneak into the house. Is that And you guys at the shop there's always somebody there. Is there a room in the shop? I'm saying is there like a private room like if you were tired and want to sleep That means still processing. She's going to [ __ ] out of this. >> I mean, you're saying this whole time enough. Let's do anything. Okay. um just to get to where they stopped it so far. Sergeant Jones says, "Okay, no." She reads a text from Naziah to Jarvis that says, "Don't park in front of the house. You better hurry up." Sergeant Jones asks or you know tells Jarvis, so she's trying to get you to sneak into the house. Was that something that you guys played through? And I'm paraphrasing played through because that's the part I couldn't make out really well. And then she said follow through that you were going to sneak into the house. Um, Sergeant Jones says, "What about when you were at the shop? Did she ever try to touch you or anything like that during all of this?" Because he maintains no physical contact. No physical contact. Jarvis said there was always someone at the shop. He And the re only reason I know that he said that is because Sergeant Jones kind kind of repeats it after he says it. Um, and then Sergeant Jones asked, "Is there a private room if you ever wanted to sleep?" which we know there's something because there's a mattress somewhere in that shop because that was one of the um samples that they gave over to the lab. Um Jarvis uh she reads another text message from Jarvis to Naziah that says that's messed up because I was going to f the out of you. The male detective asked Jarvis so has she Naziah ever been like okay enough talk let's do it. Did you ever have to physically say stop? Sergeant Jones said, "Did you ever get along with her?" Jarvis says, "Never." Um, then I don't understand this, but I'm going to tell y'all what I think Sergeant Jones says. And she says something like, "That same night, she Naziah caught you sleeping in your room." Like it was a question. And then she says, "So you went straight home that night. So, if you rent somewhere, they have your ID and stuff on file even at a short stay. Um, and she's saying to Jarvis, because I don't know, I've never had a short stay. And I don't know if that would be that Park Crest Motel that they had the dots when they were um pinging his phone later when Nia went missing. I don't know if that's the same place or somewhere else, but she's def she definitely said short stay, like a place you would probably rent by the hour for one day, stuff like that. That's how I took it. Those are the words she said. That's how I'm taking it. Um, then they get into September 2023 and it should play again. But I am going to tell y'all just because y we were talking about this yesterday. This is when Naziah text him that she um her period did not come. So, I'mma let this keep playing, but September 2023 is when Nia identified through text message that she didn't get her period. playing 19. >> Did you ever see that? >> I file a short. I don't know why you're making it or what >> and playing clip 20. Okay. She says, "My purity doesn't come at all." And you ask, "What do you mean?" She said, "I have not since I was in the hospital." That was last month. I'm scared. I don't know what to do. I have to go to the doctor. You said that you took this. You said she took a pregnancy test in his name. You remember that conversation? that you said that you So another one here today. [music] So this goes back this plan goes back to Shannon. You remember that switch over? That's right. >> She doesn't ask you come over. >> Okay, so um just going over the audio just in case you couldn't make it out. Naziah texted Jarvis, "My period hasn't come at all. Hello, are you there?" Jarvis says, "What do you mean?" Naziah says, "It hasn't came." Jarvis says, "Since when?" Naziah says, "Since I was in the hospital." That was last month. I'm scared. I don't know what to do. I have to go to the doctor. Jarvis says, "You said that you took a pregnancy test. It was negative." Um, then he verbally talks to the the detectives in the room and tells them he hadn't ever had sex with Nziah. Um, he also said at first when they first first started reading those text messages out to him between the May 31st and the June 1st, uh, 2024 interview that this took place at that time, he was saying anytime it was anything sexual, he was texting Shannon. He thought Shannon had the device. He didn't know Nza had it. So, that's another thing he would say. Then, uh, he starts saying um, he just entertained what Nazia would say to him. That's that's what he was he was saying. So, do the mumbling. That's some of the things he's saying. And I can really only understand when they repeat to him back what he says cuz I he's just mumbling. So then um Jarvis texts Naziah and says, "So go get another one." Meaning another pregnancy test. Naziah says, "I can't. I don't have money. You go get one since you're not scared to get a plan B. Get a pregnancy test and bring it here today." Um, Sergeant Jones says, "So, this whole plan B pill goes back to the pill that you said you were taking to Shannon." Um, well, at cuz at first when there was a plan B mentioned in a different part of the interview, he again said anytime they were talking about anything sexual, he's talking to Shannon. And she's like, "Clearly, you're talking to Nazis about this Plan B pill." Um then Naziah asks uh Jarvis if he'll cuddle. Sergeant Jones says, "Have you ever, you know, cuddled with Naziah?" Not sexually. Um have you sat next to her? Then this is when the male detective offers him water because the defense attorney for Jarvis was, you know, trying to say he he was insinuating during the time that Jarvis was being interviewed, they never offered him any food or drink. Um he also was trying to say they didn't read him his rights during the June 1st interview, stuff like that. But the judge already said that she would accept this because they um they did and because they they basically said, "Do you want to sign another uh what is it? Advice of rights page like he signed on May 31st." And then they came the next day on June 1st, which is this this is the June 1st right here. And they were saying, "Do you just want to read it over again? Do you want to sign a whole new form?" Jarvis declined signing a whole new form. Um, and they asked, "Do you still understand your rights?" At the time, he said yes. The judge said I heard him mention he has had he has gone to college. I accept his yes as a yes. He understood his rights. If he said he understood his rights, he declined to sign a new paper. So, we're, you know, basically moving on accepting this interview into um evidence. Um, let's see. Okay, we're going to go to the next part. I have now. talking to you about how she's upset just to let you know what's wrong. I know you're cheating. I just want to talk later. So, what would she feel? How is it feeling? I'm waiter. So I'm trying to figure out why she does she know She's talking about that baby. What was that? She's so already four or five miles. You really haven't had yet. All right. Um, it's a lot of mumbling at the end, but at the at the part where I had paused it, um, Naziah had texted Jarvis, "Just so that you know what's wrong. I know you're cheating. I just want to talk. I really don't want to be with you. Can we talk later? And then Sergeant Jones says asked Jarvis, "How is it that Naziah would feel like you were cheating on her? Did you ever tell her on these phone calls? I will wait for you. It's just going to be us once you're older." Um because obviously she, you know, believes that they're in a relationship and he keeps lying but trying to maintain that they did not have a physical relationship. The male detective says, "Does Naziah know about your lifestyle?" Basically about him being with multiple women. Um, then a lot of it I couldn't hear, but they were talking about Nazia showing and did he notice she was showing? And B, it seemed like he was saying he didn't see any of that, but he made a motion on his stomach at one point. They're about to go to the last clip and then we can get to the stand uh with Sergeant Shannon Jones >> and clip 21. wasn't the only lady that you're related to that was sister. My sister never All right. So, um they said a few people said Nziah was in the shop, including someone Jarvis was related to. Then they referred to his sister Tana. Tijana or Tijuana. And then uh Jarvis is saying Naziah is only in the shop during the daytime and on the weekends. And we're going to the stand now, I believe. Let me see. Yeah. >> Oh, let me go back. I'm skipping over crucial crucial questions. Hold on. >> Yes. Now I want to just backtrack a little bit before getting back to the messages. Um you had stated yesterday um that when you searched Mr. Bucks how you had found some guns. >> Yes. >> Um did you in any other searches did you find any other kind of weapons? >> Yes. [snorts] >> And what what were the Well, first where were they found and what were they? >> Um, when we had a search net, there was [snorts] a firearm inside the vehicle. The same vehicle that had Mr. Butt's phone. That firearm was later determined to be registered to Tashiana. Um, when we searched Mr. car. There were several like kitchen knives in there throughout the car, various sizes. Um, there was the weapons that were inside his home. And I believe that was that was as far as any weapons. There might have been some other type of blunt instrument or something, but nothing significant that I do. >> Okay. And um, Mr. Butt's vehicle, that uh, Escalade was processed. >> Yes. And those uh items were sent to the lab. >> Yes. >> And it's along with u Miss Latricia Johnson's Nissan. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um now I want to talk in your training and experience having been with uh police for 24 years um have you seen u uh types of wounds made through clothing? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Now, you saw um the black hoodie that was recovered uh had some some holes in the head in the hood area. >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, um are [snorts] you familiar with what um like either a a uh some sort of like sharp object or uh a gun or something of the sort? Are you familiar with what uh that would look like through clothing? >> And yeah, at this point I'm going to object. I think the answer would cause for her to speculate on what caused these >> wounds. I'm not asking her to say what caused the holes. >> Call the holes. My >> in this specific case, but in her experience. >> Yes. >> Okay. [snorts] You may be objecting after a few questions, but for this >> Yeah. So throughout the hundreds of scenes that I've been to, um various [snorts] scenes, whether they may be fatal stabbing, maybe a blunt force trauma. Um, I've responded and processed many uh gunshot scenes. When there's clothing uh where a weapon was used, you do see that type of tearing. Um, it could be from a bullet hole. It could be from uh a knife. It could also be from a struggle or pulling. >> Okay. And just to be clear, you don't know how those holes got in the hood of that black hoodie. >> Correct. >> Okay. But those hills could be in your experience consistent with things that you have observed in your training and experience as it relates to struggles, stabs, bullets, things of of that sort. >> Correct. >> Okay. Now on Mr. Buck's phone uh after that January 9th text um to Naziah saying okay. Was there any other texts to Naziah's number after that date >> uh from Mr. Bush? >> Yes. >> No. There was no uh attempts to reach Nisiah's number on Mr. Butt's phone. >> There was no uh contact between Mr. Butt's phone and the text now number after that. >> Okay. And um in your role in this case, did you uh go through Nai's kind of social media records and um things like that? >> Yes. >> Okay. And since January 9th, 2024, have you been able to find anything as it relates anything from Nia Harris um on social media? >> No. >> Now, we got to hear some of these text messages in the interview. >> Okay. So before they get to the text messages where y'all will definitely hear them way clearer and they're going to start with 2022. The ones we saw in the interview, they started with 2023 just to clarify. But also just to keep continuity, Nessiah went missing January 9th, 2024. The last messages between her and anybody was between her and Jarvis butts, and she was texting him about meeting up with him. He had been googling ways to um have abortions through teas, pills, and uh can somebody drink red anifreeze? Um so January 9th, 2024 is when she went missing, and that was the last communication that she had on her phone with anyone. And so now they're about to ask the sergeant about the numbers and um she'll start reading some of the text messages once they get the numbers established. going through them. That's what we're going to start now. Starting with people's exhibit 15. These are the messages from 313 3795882. you have a copy of >> I don't have a copy of that number. Can you read the messages that were sent from that number to Jarvis number including the dates and approximate times? So the first message is September 24th, 2022 at 2215 hours UTC. She says baldhead Janiah come here >> and that's two number that's not Mr. Bucks. >> Correct. >> Okay. Then the next message is on September 27th, 2022. All all of these dates are from 2022. So September 27th um at 1:37 a.m. UTC. It is sent to Mr. Butt's phone. We fitness sing happy birthday. Immediately after that at the 17se second mark, again to Mr. bus phone. It says, "Come on." [snorts] On that date, uh September 27th at 1:52 a.m. Another message is sent to Butts Phone asking, "You okay?" September 27, 2022, 1:54 a.m. She has sent a message. Where are we doing it at? your choice. Immediately following that text, a message is received to Naziah to this text now number from Mr. Bus phone that says, "You tell me 9:275 a.m. A message is replied to Jarvis says basement 156 a.m. A message is sent to Naziah from Mr. Butt's phone that says, "You sure?" At 1:56 a.m., a message is sent to Naziah from Nziah to Mr. But saying, "Or job." >> Okay, let me do a quick sound test because this is supposed to be the good audio. So, let me know. Have y'all been able to hear Sergeant Jones so far since she's reading out the text messages from the stand? Um because yeah, that that y'all I was hope I could hear her clear when I'm listening to it and my audio should be playing straight through the same way. So I'mma wait just a second before we keep going. Um let me know are y'all able to hear her while she's on the stand? And sorry for the pause, but I got to make sure cuz if not it's not going to help anyone to not be able to hear it. [snorts] So hopefully hopefully cuz Janice I see you Janice saying you can't hear her. So I'm just doing like a hopefully a general crowd check to see if it's anything else. Okay. Yana you can hear her. Okay. Cannot hear. Mary said cannot. Okay. I am going to do a little bit of audio gain and I'm going to turn this caption on because the caption should be able to pick her up on the stand better. The the caption would not have gotten the interview that well, but hopefully this will be better. So, let me tell you what she said so far instead of going all the way back. Um, hold on. Okay, so it says uh first Nia was texting a number that wasn't Jarvis on September 24th, 2022. Then September 27th, 2022, Naziah says to Jarvis, "We're finishing Happy Birthday." Come on, you okay? Then it says, "Where are we doing it at?" Your choice. Um Naziah, uh hold on. Jarvis says to Naziah, "You tell me." And Naziah says, "The basement." And I don't know how far she got, so I'm gonna read this and then I'm I up the audio. But Jarvis says, "Are you sure?" Naziah said, "Or the job." Jarvis. Oh yeah, we I don't think we got this far then. Okay, hold on. So, I I I'm I'm trying to max out her audio. Hopefully, let me know. Can y'all hear it once I hit play again? At 1:57 a.m. the message is sent to Nazisiah from Mr. Butt's phone saying, "Can you suck my dick, please?" The message immediately following that from Mr. your butts too and make sure you erase the messages. Still September 27th, 159 UTC, a message is sent to Mr. Bus that says, "Hey, that is what I planned to do." Another message is immediately following that at 2011 to Mr. But you turn me on just looking at you. And then there's a bunch of letters which possibly is maybe an image that was sent that doesn't capture on the messages. [snorts] 2:02 a.m. Nazi sends another message to Jarvis. What time to be in the basement? 2:03 a.m. He replies and sends her a message that says, "Go change your clothes and take your panties off." Desiah replies to Mr. Bus and says the letter K at 2:10 a.m. So 7 minutes later, a message is sent from Isiah to uh Darvis's phone. I hear you. what you looking at? Uh Jarvis replies back immediately to her saying the letter U. At 2:13 a.m. UTC, still on September 27th, Miss Zia sends Jarvis message that says, "I know I'm asleep good." There's another message directly after that that has a bunch of symbols. So, I'm not sure if it was a uh one of those little emojis. 2:14 a.m. She sends to him, "What about you?" The next message she sends to him immediately after, "Sometimes I be wanting to live with you." 2:16 a.m. She sends to him. You know what I mean? 2:18 a.m. She sends what time I'm ready? 2:23 a.m. She sends to uh Mr. But's phone number. We not doing it or what? 2:23 a.m. Missiah sends to Mr. But I really want you. [clears throat] This is still on the same day, September 27th, 2022. This is now uh 2:23 a.m. UTC time. Mr. Butts replies to Naziah. Yes. 2:24 a.m. Naziah sends, "Pull your car down the street and come back. I'll be waiting." 2:25 a.m. uh Jarvis's phone replies back to her, "Come ride with me." And Nigh and I, Y. >> Nye is his daughter, Janiah. 2:25 a.m. She replies, "Did they say I can come?" At 2:30 UTC, she sends him a message that says, "I'm sorry, but love you." 2:30, uh, UTC, he immediately replies back, "Come on." Uh, 2:31, Messiah replies, "I can't. I'm going to get in trouble. The next message is at 2:35. She sends, "When you come back, drop N off. Pull your car down the street and I'll come in the base. I'll be waiting." Then immediately after that, she sends basement, please. Uh Jarvis replies, "Okay." At 2:40, Jarvis replies, [snorts] "You in the basement yet?" Uh immediately after that, Naziah replies back, "Yeah, now we are the next day being uh it's now September 28th, 2:28 a.m. UTC." She sends uh Jarvis a message that says, "Are we doing it tonight? I'm ready. Fresh out the shower. Next message is a reply from him to her. Well, this is I'm sorry. This is September 30th now at 1:25 a.m. UTC. He replies, "Yo, September 30th, 2:59." She replies, "You coming over?" She then sends another message directly after that. Don't have school. At 3:07, a reply is received to Naziah from Jarvis saying, "Yep." She then replies, "K, we'll be waiting." at 3:17 a.m., uh, he sends another message, or I'm sorry, she sends a message to Jarvis that says, "Text me when you get here." At 3:21 a.m., this is still a September 30th date. Uh, Jarvis replies and sends a message to her saying, "Outside. >> [snorts] >> Now we have skipped to September 30th, but it is now on here at 2313 hours UTC. She sends a message to Jarvis saying, "Hey boo, you coming over?" Um, the next message is now October 1st, 2022, 1:51 UTC. She sends a message to Jarvis asking you coming and are there any other messages to Jarvis after that, >> Mr. B? >> Uh, no. >> Okay. And now um do those indicate whether or not they were uh deleted? >> Yes. >> Okay. And which how many of those were deleted or how many of them were not deleted is a better question. >> Looks like all of them were deleted except for the one where she was the very beginning she had actually text somebody else which I believe might have been Shannon's St. Bald and I have come here but all the messages between the 8719 which is Jarvis's [snorts] number are marked on here as deleted except see on September 30th the uh hey boo you coming over um and the you coming text those one were not deleted and still show. Okay. So, those last two, >> this is where they um zoomed in on the people behind Jarvis. Is is the one in the white t-shirt, the grandmother? I I don't know their faces enough yet, but this is everybody that's behind him right now since they took the time to zoom. I'm taking the time to pause so y'all can see who was in that courtroom for this day. And this is the final day. So, um I don't know if they've been in there the other days. They probably haven't because I think the witnesses couldn't be in there when other witnesses were testifying. So, this probably the only day they've been in there like that. >> You come and test those or not deleted, you still show up here. >> Okay. So, those last two. >> Yes. Now going through exhibit 16 messages um as it relates to the 231743 3137 I'm sorry before that without telling us actual birthday in September 24th 2022 what age had just turned >> in 22. >> Yes, >> she would have just turned 12. >> Um, now do you have a set of these uh the messages from the 231 number? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, now I want to go through those. Um, and there are sections that are highlighted. Um, and I want to follow along. What is the first message that is sent? Uh, it is sent on March 4th, 2023 at 2335 UTC. It's sent to Jarvis's 8719 number and it says it's me, Hziah. >> Okay. And just for clarification purposes, all the messages within this exhibit are sent to Jarvis's 8719 number. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Now, um, I want to jump to March 16th of 2023. Um there's a highlighted message there. Can you read that one? >> Yeah. So just be before that um the UTC time on here just so I'm not having to math throughout from March 10th to November 3rd it would be minus 4 hours. So any date that falls within those days would be minus4. Any dates outside of those ranges would be minus 5 hours. You said that's >> but I'm going to read it off of here with the time is stamped and date. >> Okay. You said that's March 10th through November >> 3rd. >> Okay. That's minus 4. You can see >> minus 4. Yes. >> Okay. Um so continue with uh that. >> Yep. So March 16th, 2023 at 06 hours, uh, she receives a message from Jarvis that says, "Stop messing with people and just be mine." >> And was that deleted? >> No. Now moving on to um [snorts] um moving on to May 3rd, 2023. There's a set of highlighted messages. Can you read those? >> Yes. So, these messages are uh May 3rd, 2023, starting at 1506. Uh Jarvis sends a message that says, "I'm coming to get you." Um immediately after, Nziah replies, "What you mean?" Jarvis then replies to her, "You heard me." Uh, immediately after that, replies to Jarvis, "You can't do that." Then sends another message immediately after, which is now still 1507 hours. Uh, that says, "I'm f to go to lunch. Love you." >> And were any of those messages deleted? >> No. Now moving to May 30th of 2023. >> May 30th, 2023 at 1301 hours. She sends a message to Jarvis that says, "I miss you." Uh at 1302 hours, he replies back the letters, "I am you." And then the number two. >> And were either of those deleted? No. >> And what about uh starting with May 31st of 2023? >> Uh May 31st, 2023. This is at 1337 hours. He sends her a message that says, "I can't stop thinking about you either." The next message then goes and starts is now uh June 5th, 2023. At 11:59 p.m., well, 11:59 UTC, she sends a message to Jarvis. Hey, you may think I'm ignoring you, but I'm not. My phone broke. At 12:00, another message is sent. So, I will text you off this number. At 12:01, same date, she sends him a message. Are you mad at me? At 12:01, he replies back to her yes. At 12:02, she replies back the letter Y. At 12:03, she sends, "Please don't be mad." At 12:04, she sends, "Can you tell me why you mad at me? Yes or no?" At 12:05, he replies to her saying, "I haven't seen or talked to you." >> Okay. Now, there's Well, first, were any of those deleted? >> No. >> Okay. Now, I want to actually go to one that I did not highlight. Um 1208 June 5th, 1208 uh and 28 UTC through um June 5th, 1208 and 49 UTC. Can you read those? those three. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, June 5th, 2023, 1208 28 seconds. Uh he [clears throat] sends her a message with the letters W Y A. At 12:085 seconds, she replies, "School." 12:08, he sends her a message that says, "I'm at your house. And now uh and now I want to go uh actually can you keep reading [snorts] um through June 5th at 12 1209. Oh [snorts] 12:09 and 4 seconds. >> So the next So just one more message down. >> Yeah, just we'll just keep reading. Yeah. >> Okay. 12:08 June 5th. Uh he had sent to her I'm at your house at 12:09 and 4 seconds. She says, "Damn, we was just." Then immediately after that is another text that says, "There." Then at 12:11, she sends him, "You better not [snorts] be in my room." At 1212, she sends, "I need another phone." At 12:13, she sends, "I miss you." At 12:14, he sends her a message that says, "I stole your panties." >> Okay. And now, were any of those messages deleted? >> No. >> Now, I want to go to um June 16th. There's some highlighted messages there. June 16th, 2023 at 2:50 a.m. and 25 seconds, she sends to Jarvis, "Didn't I make you come faster than ever?" On June 17th at 8:59 and 06 seconds, she sends Jarvis, "I'm sorry. for making me mad. But do you ever think how I feel knowing that I can't have you to myself, but you have me to yourself? And no, I'm not seeing anybody else. I swear. >> And were either of those deleted? >> No. >> Now, I want you to go down on the page to uh June 23rd. >> And there's a set that are highlighted. >> Yes. June 23rd, 2023 at 2354 hours, she sends a message to Jarvis. Um, the letter U, then you going to hit it from the back again with question marks at the next day, which is now June 24th at 1911 hours. He sends her a message that says, "Send me some pictures, please. >> [snorts] >> At 1920, she replies, "Don't you still got the other pigs?" At 1947, he replies to that and says, "No." At 2019 hours, she sends to him. I will send some. >> And now moving through to uh June 26. There's a set highlighted there. Oh, wait. Sorry. First, those ones uh that you just read, were those deleted? >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, moving to June 26th. [snorts] >> June 26, 2023. At 1631 hours, she sends a message to Jarvis that says, "Call me when you have time." At 1633 hours, he replies back to her, "I want some pussy." At 1633 hours and 50 seconds, she replies back to him, "You can have some." At 1639 hours and 41 seconds, he replies to Messiah, "When?" At 1649 hours, and 28 seconds, she sends to Jarvis, "Whenever you come get me." At 2116 hours, she sends to Jarvis, "Call me. Want to tell you some s U m." At 2124 hours, she sends a message to Jarvis that says, "You can get some today." At 21:24 [snorts] hours, she sends another message that says, "You can get some [ __ ] today." Okay. And were any from that set deleted? >> Yes. All of them. >> All of them. >> Now moving to June 27th. >> Um there's stuff that's highlighted. Can you read those, please? >> Yes. June 27th at 7:55 UTC. >> Okay. before she continues reading. This is where uh for me I saw Judge Aaliyah Sabri, I think is how she pronounces her name. She just takes a deep breath, leans back, closes her eyes like she is I don't know what she's doing, but for me it's like praying for strength. I don't know. But she just like takes a really deep breath. Um so y'all I went back a couple seconds so you could see it. Like it's just hard to just sit there and hear all of that. I'm sure. Um, and then of course it's weighing on her on where it would have gone, which now we know because we're in the present time that she did say yes, this does need to go to trial. Um, so I'll just rewind it back a little bit just so y'all could see that part. >> That's highlighted. Can you read those? >> Yes. June 27th at 7:55 UTC. There is a a incoming call to Naziah from Jarvis that is listed as a missed call and the name on here that she has this number saved is ba for life. B AE the number four and then life. [snorts] Then at 7:56 he sends her a text that says are you naked yet? At 7:58, she replies to him and says, "No, I don't want to get naked." At 7:59, she replies, "Are you mad that I didn't get naked?" At 8:01 hours, he sends to her, "I used to you telling me no." at 8:06 still on June 27th. He sends her a message that says, "I'm sorry." She sends him a message that says, "Come on, bae. I'm sorry. Just not in the mood right now. I'm sorry." >> Okay. And were those messages deleted? >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, um jumping to it's a little later in the day on June 27th, there's a set highlighted. >> So, on June 27th, now at 16:24 hours, He sends her a message that says, "But I can't nut inside you, so it's different." At 16:25, she replies, "Why you can't? Didn't you do it before?" At 16:25 and 40 seconds, he replies, [snorts] "But I had to buy a pill to do so." At 16:26, she replies to him, "Yeah, you write." At 1626, 28 seconds, she sends, "But what you doing?" But it's abbreviated WYD. At 1628 and 45 seconds, she says to him, "Are you busy?" with a question mark. And those were deleted. >> Thank you. Um, now, uh, jumping forward, uh, to June 28th. On June 28th, so this next set in here, they're all sent from uh, Naziah to Jardis. >> Yes. And they start at 1710 is on June 28th, 2023 and starts off as bay. I didn't go no I didn't go see nobody. I swear I came straight back at 1711. My friend lived right down the street. She didn't answer. So I came back and went to sleep. The next message, bae, please. I'm sorry. Immediately after that, she says, "I didn't sneak out for nobody. I swear." 1712 58 seconds, she says, "I know you having a rough day, but I swear I'm not lying." At 174, she sends, "Bae, please. I swear I didn't go see no niggas." 1714, she sends, "I don't talk to nobody but you. 1715. She says, "I was only out for 5 or 10 minutes. I came straight back." 17:15 and 56 seconds. You didn't respond to none of my messages, so I thought you were asleep, so I went to sleep. [snorts] 1717. Why won't you believe anything I tell you? I'm not like other girls. There is no need for me to lie to you. 1718 You said I'm all yours, but you acting like it, you are overthinking it. I just want to be yours. [snorts] 1719. Please stop ignoring my calls. You don't want me to see nobody, and I'm not. 1720. Bae, I'm sorry I didn't tell you. 1721. I promise you there is no one else. 1724. If you don't believe me, I will send you my Instagram password. >> Now, these next messages, um, from 1724 to 1725, um, don't don't read what the username and passwords are. just >> that they were sent. >> So the next message is she's sending uh her Instagram username and a password along with her uh Gmail email and giving the password to that as well. >> Okay. And now starting again with uh 1726 >> at uh so on June 28th still 1726 the next messages still all being sent uh to [snorts] Jarvis from Mia are I hope you believe me now. You really don't want to believe me, but I will tell you the truth every time. Immediately after that, I just want to make your day better, bae. I'm sorry. Feel free to log in at any time or go through my messages. Now, at 1742, she sends, "I only want to be with you." At 18:09, they I'm sorry for not telling. I swear I will next time, please. Still 1809. Bae, I love you. Please call me back now at 1818. Come on, babe. Please. At 18:19. So, what if I will be able to get out tonight and I'm calling you and texting you, are you still going to ignore me? At 18:21, he says, "You are so busy. I feel like you don't want me. This is why I don't open up to you. Cuz if I do, you get mad and don't want to talk. So, how am I going to trust you? I do, but you don't trust me. It's up to if you want to be with me or not." At 1845, she says, "I didn't do anything wrong. I don't get why you so upset." At 18:46, "All I [clears throat] tried to do is make you happy, but clearly I'm not enough for you. Cut me off. I don't anymore. You fl never even [ __ ] with me. All I want is you to love me. At 1847, I tried so hard, but you don't understand that I'm sorry if you feel like I'm cheating, but I'm not. I gave passwords and all that and all. What more do I have to prove I'm not cheating? Um, now this message is when uh Jars actually finally replies, which is at 18:55. he sends to her. I'm working low. >> And were uh those messages deleted? >> Yes. >> Now, moving on to June 29th, >> June 29th, 2023 at 2144 hours. She sends to Jarvis, "When you off work?" At 21:49, she sends, "Pick me up before you pick up Janiah." At 220, she sends, "Hope to see you soon." At 2247, she sends, "I'm never getting out of this hell hole." At 2248, he replies with the letter Y. 2248 she sends she will never let me out. It's so boring over here. 2250 she sends well I will she. She has the word she on here. U TM. And then the very next text after that it says I will see you tomorrow. Then at 2250 he replies to her or tonight. >> And were the me those messages deleted? >> Yes. >> Now continuing on on June 29th. June 29th, 2252 hours. Josiah sends, "Are you still picking up Janiah?" 2253, he replies, "When?" 2253, she sends to him, "Today." At 2253, he replies back, "No." 2253 18 seconds. She sends the letter Y. 2253 he sends back to her, "It's just me and you." At 2253, he sends another message that says, "Because I was never picking her up." At 2253, she replies, "Okay, I really like that it's only me and you." 2254 he sends back, "You really didn't want her there. No way." 2254 she replies, "I know I didn't want her there." 2255, he replies to her with the letter, "Why?" 2255, she sends back, "Cuz she do too much and you mine." 2257 Jarvis replies to Isiah saying uh meaning 2258 he then sends and Shan said that she said no then the next message from him is for today [snorts] at 236 Niah sends Jarvis I know she said no for today and Then at 2307 Messiah sends the meaning is your mine and mine only the dick and all your mine and will stay mine. At 2314 she sends [snorts] I want to know the meaning when you say I'm yours. [clears throat] The date on here is now June 30th at 0016 hours. Jarvis replies to her and says, "All of youth." Immediately after that, "Your mind, body, and soul." At 0017 hours, he sends to Isiah the [ __ ] ass, mouth, legs, arms, face, and then he has the word everything in all caps. At 0119 hours, she replies, "Oh, really?" And then there's some type of emoji. Immediately after that, she says, "Want to see that tomorrow?" And it's the same uh little symbols on there. At 0247 hours, he sends back to her meaning. It's now uh 0603 hours. She sends to him when we [ __ ] Then at 66 24 hours, he sends a message to her. Uh, what you doing? But it's just the letters WYD. >> And were those messages all deleted? >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, moving later on in the day to June 30th. >> June 30th at 2218 hours. Jarvis sends to Isiah. I'm outside. Uh then the next message is at 23 36 hours he sends to Naziah go take them panties off. At 233 37 hours Naziah sends are we going to the room? 2337 Jarvis replies IDK meaning I don't know. 2338 She sends to him the letters P LS or please. 2338 He replies to her the letter Y. 2339 she replies back and says cuz we got more space. 2339 He then sends a message to her that says to do. She then immediately replies uh to [ __ ] Wim for what you mean. Then immediately after that she says to him, "We going or what?" >> And moving forward to July 1st. Oh, first of all, were any of those messages just read deleted? >> All of these were deleted. Okay, now to July 1st. >> July 1st, 2023 at 14:31, she sends a message to Jarvis that says GM for good morning. At 15:22, she replies GM Twitter. At 15:24, she says sends back whatever. I was tired. You know, [clears throat] 1528 she sends. Still my dick though. 15 28 he sends to her. [clears throat] There's three letter V's. So it's V V dot B and then a space N and then the uppercase Q and a lowerase Q. >> [snorts] >> as we note. He then sends another message at 1528 with the words note. At 1529, she sends okay fine. Yo [ __ ] my dick. He then replies to her at 1538, who said she sends back to him. It's your [ __ ] And were those deleted? >> Yes. >> Uh, and I want to stay on that same page for a second. Sorry. >> The messages on July 1st um, starting from 1907 um, to 2135. >> [clears throat] >> July 1st, 1907. He sends a message to her that says, "I'm trying to fuck." At 1952, she replies back, "Okay." At 1952, she sends a message that says WSP, meaning what's up. Then at 2134, she sends you still coming or you was playing about trying to [ __ ] At 21:35, he replies back to Naziah, I'm serious. >> And were those deleted? >> Yes. >> And now moving on to July 2nd. >> [snorts] >> July 2nd, 2023 at 1546 hours, Jarvis sends a message to Naziah that says, "Can I get my dick suck today?" At 1547, she replies, "Sure, no problem." At 1550, Jarvis replies, "Yeah, okay." At 1553, [snorts] Messiah replies, "I'm serious, you can." At 1633, Messiah sends um there's going to be some type of photo that would have been sent at this time. At 1708, uh there's a reply that from Jarvis where it says, "Liked an image." Then at 1708, Jarvis says, "I'm going to sneak in." Okay. At 1708, this guy replies back, "Why?" 1708, he says, "Who is up?" At 1709, she replies, "Everybody." At 1709, Jarvis sends some type of photo to Messiah. Immediately after that, she replies, "Well, damn, I want to lay with you." Then at 17:10 from Messiah, "Are you here already?" At 1712, Shan told the kids that you said you was on your way so they know you coming. At 17:13, Messiah sends, "I want to see you." 17:21, Uzziah sends, "So, am I just giving you head or we [ __ ] two? Cuz looking at that picture made me horny." At 17:22, Jarvis replies to her, "You tell me." 17:22 and 29 seconds, she says, "I want to [ __ ] too." Immediately after that, she says, "So, can we?" And then at 17:22, 49 seconds, Jarvis replies back to her, "Yep." >> And were those messages deleted? >> Yes. >> Okay. And now later in the day on June 2nd or I'm sorry July 2nd um there's a set of messages there. >> Yes. July 2nd, 2023 at starting at 18:41 hours, she sends to Jarvis. I want to [ __ ] at 1841. Do you? 1904, are you busy? Yes or no? 2006 she sends text me when you not on BS about [ __ ] cuz you playing. At 2015 she sends all I'm trying to say I just want your body on mine. At 2044 she says bae where you at. 2152 she says I'm trying to [ __ ] 2358 she says she fitting to walk to the store. So now the dates changed to July 3rd and the hours are 0042 she sends before we go. At 004231 seconds she sends go upstairs in the bathroom. At 0042 48 seconds, Jarvis replies to her, "Why?" At 004254 seconds, Naziah replies back, "Just go [snorts] at 0." >> Okay, I'm just going to take a a talk break real fast because it's coming in. It's a lot coming in really quickly. Um, oh my gosh. Okay, so I'mma read some of y'all's comments and then I have a couple comments. Um, so Stylish BB said, "He groomed that baby and it's so sad. I honest I honestly don't think he unalived her. I believe in my heart that Shannon did." Jamie said I think she as in Shannon knew or had a part in it or the cleanup getting rid of Nazia's body and planting her clothes and shoes. Um Mary said this is outrageous and yes, Stylish BB. Uh we um I don't I haven't seen the links to see the other part cuz he is definitely in court for a separate separate case at the same time for violating his own flesh and blood. Um, definitely have heard about that. I think they categorized it as I don't know if they're 8 years old now, but it's it's bad. But and then he already had a prior history before it even got to this point. Um, but yes, I'm aware of that second one, too. Um, Jamie said, "This is hard to listen to. He is absolutely disgusting. She was a child. He groomed her and ain't no telling what else may have happened to her before him." Uh, only smile said, "He groomed her to talk like that. He's a piece of," and yes, I agree. Um, Darlene said, "My god, this baby is speaking like a grown woman. He really groomed her. May God rest her soul once he's convicted." And the grandma and auntie, too. Katrice said that he had that baby so far gone. She sounds like a grown woman in those text messages. Yes, this is this is what grooming looks like. And I do thank God that I have not seen it with my own eyes. as I just see more people uh defending Naziah from people that talk like they'll say they do the whole she was fast. They'll say the whole um they they adulify her and I haven't thankfully seen it directly. I've more seen people responding like y'all don't understand what grooming looks like type of responses. Yes, this is this is grooming. This is exactly what it is. This is not normal for a child. Like, and I wish, and I don't know what they did, and I don't know if they did it and ruled it out, but I I wish that they as thoroughly as they tracked his phone and had a search warrant for any car he used, plus his car. I wish they also did that for the at minimum the grandmother and the aunt Shannon. I don't know for sure how extreme their role was in Naziah's death, but I do feel like they had at least the role of neglect if it didn't go further than that. I think they still need to be investigated be investigated at minimum by CPS, but I do feel like everything that they investigated on Jarvis, I wish they had also tracked with those two at minimum. I don't trust that they didn't know anything and they got on the stand earlier this year and said he has not been in the house knowing he has because based on the text messages he at least has been in the house to have sex with um the aunt like they were still dealing with each other. So why are you saying oh he's never been in the house? Why are you making a point to lie about something so simple be you know before we even get to the harder hitting stuff? So I just wish they would investigate him as hard um as they or investigate those two as hard as they've investigated him. I just want even if it's to the fact to rule out how much of a role they played and also they need to just um look after those other children that are still there because this doesn't stop and there's usually more than one predator around children. So that's what I feel like. I don't know how much that aunt and grandmother did, but I can see how much they definitely neglected to do at minimum. I I just it's just ridiculous. And again, as most people say, so many adults in Naziah's life failed her. >> 11 hours sends, "We doing something or what?" At 0112, he replies to her, "Yep." At 0123, she replies, "I want to lay with you." At 0130, he replies, "I'm going upstairs." At 0131 she sends okay Shan Shan going up there too. At 0131 she says I just want to chill with you. At 0132 he sends back to her is she uh 0132 and his eye replies yes you know she wants some dick so she going to follow you upstairs. Then at 0143 hours, she sends him uh another picture. 0143, he replies, "Not getting any." Then immediately after that, the message says from him to her, "This is your dick." At 0144, Messiah sends, "I know it's mine. Give her some dick, so ask and shut up." at 0144. Give her some so she can shut up and leave you alone. She only acting like that cuz she's horny. At 0148, Jarvis replies, "I want to see you." Immediately after that, his next message is, "While you in the shower." Then at 0155, she sends him a photo. It is now 0204 hours. He sends her a message that says, "I don't want to give her no dick." At 2102 10 hours, uh, these next set of messages are all from Messiah. It says, "Come back downstairs. Damn, you scared." At 0244 hours, she says, "Hurry up. I want you back." At 0250 hours, she says, "Come downstairs so I can sit on it real quick." At 0252 hours, she says, "I promise it's not going to be long. Just a few, but it's it's FRW. Up and downs, please." Then immediately right after that, 0253, she sends the same message, but it's spelled correctly. It says, "I promise it's not going to be long. Just a few up and downs." >> And were all those messages deleted? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Now, moving to uh July 4th. >> July 4th, 2023, at 15:43 hours, Naziah sends Jarvis a message that says, "In the shower right now. I'll [clears throat] text you when I get out." Uh Jarvis then replies, "Hope you know that we [ __ ] today." At 1543 hours, she replies back, "Okay, fine with me. I was just waiting yesterday." Or, "I was waiting yesterday." At 16:20, she sends him a picture. At 16:20, she sends, "I'm out." At 1656, a message is received to her. It's uh loved in image. 1656 she sends a message. Are you busy at it is now July 5th 0501 hours. She sends him a message that says you was right. It hit different outside. >> And were those messages deleted? >> Yes. And moving to July 6th. July 6th, 2023 at 0305 hours. Nia sends to Jarvis. >> Yes, I can tell. >> Um, just real quick, it most of these were deleted. they're reading them no matter if they're deleted or not because thankfully with the extractions just because you don't see it anymore, they they can still find it and see it. So that's why they're still able to see most of these cuz most of these have been deleted. if if it was dependent on the fact that they deleted it and we couldn't see them, then they would they wouldn't have much to read. But these are deleted, but they're never truly deleted um because, you know, technology. And so when they did the extraction, they could still find them even though it was um air quoting deleted. when you come 0 0305 hours why now at 0320 hours she sends him a message that says so doesn't that mean I'm pregnant at 0321 hour she sends him a message I don't know so I'm asking you [snorts] at 0333 Jarvis replies to Nziah No. 0339. She replies back K. It now jumps to 1310 hours. Still on July 6th, she sends uh the letters GM. Then at 1400 hours, she sends I want to [ __ ] At 1425, he replies, how? At 14:26, she says, "I don't know. You got work and I'm just horny." At 14:27, he replies and sends her a message that says, "Where is your nana?" At 14:45, she sends upstairs getting ready. At 14:54, Jarvis sends to her, "She fit in a goat." Then at 1457, [clears throat] he sends the message, "Hello." At 1503, Messiah replies, "I don't know." The next message is, "Are you at work?" And at [clears throat] 15:07, Uziah sends, "I will let you know." At 1508, she sends, "You might can slide if you're not so busy at work." At 1508, Jarvis replies back to Neziah, "Yeah." At 1508, he then says, "I'm trying to slide." At 15:13, Messiah sends uh to Jarvis the word question. Then at 15:13, he replies back, "Yes." At 15:14, she sends, "Do you like your girls skinny?" At 1514, he replies, "Why you asked that?" At 15:14, she replies, "Just asking." And then there's u some type of emojis that must have been sent. >> And were those messages deleted? >> Yes. >> Okay. And uh moving just a little later in the minutes on July 6th. >> Yep. July 6, 1535, Messiah sends. I don't think she's going anywhere. At 1537, Jarvis says to Nia, "That's messed up because I was going to [ __ ] the [ __ ] out of you." At 15:37, she sends, "I still want you to do it." At 15:40, she says um sends a message that says, "So am I going so am I going to see you today on your break?" At 1559, Jarvis replies, "How?" At 16:01, Messiah sends, "Um, don't you supposed to be bringing me the money anyway, so I will see you." 16:03, she says, "Unless you are going to go to the store and get me some pads and other personal things." 1603. There is some type of emojis that are sent. 1624. She sends, "I'm down to my last three pads. I would ask Nana, but I can't fit her big pads. I have a little [ __ ] V [ __ ] big." At 1741, she sends a bunch of question marks with the letters wa. 1757 she says, "What do I supposed to do? What do I supposed to use?" 1757 she sends another set of question marks. At 1808, Jarvis replies with the word, "Huh?" At 1810, Nziah says, "I don't have any more pads." 1810, I need to get some more and you plant. At 1812, she sends they please and all of those messages were deleted. >> Okay. And moving to July 7th, July 7th, 2023 at 14:34 hours, and Isiah sends a message that says, "So, what you on today?" Uh, the next message at 14:35, she sends, "You trying to [ __ ] or what?" At 1437, Jarvis replies back, "Yes." 14:38, Messiah sends, "I'm sorry." 1438 again, she sends, "But I hope to see you today." At 14:39, she sends, "I didn't know if you were up last night, so I stopped calling and texting." And those messages were deleted. And now moving to July 10th, July 10th, 2023 at 1641 follows. Messiah sends to Jarvis, "You trying to get up in this today?" At 16:45, he replies all the time. At 18:54, she sends, "You eat lunch yet at?" Then immediately after, she sends some question marks. Now at 1954, Isiah sends, "Yo, job so empty." 1955, she sends, "I was just there." At 1959, Jarvis replies the letters I and K or I know. At 1959, he sends how you know. At 2014, Jarvis sends what's up 2039. As I replies, I didn't want you to see me. 2039 hours, so I left. At 20:40, Jarvis sends a message to Nessiah saying, "Who is with you?" At 2040, she replies, "Nobody." 2040. again. 37 seconds. She says, "You working late today?" At 20, 40 hours 38 seconds, Jarvis sends to her, "So, how did you get to my job?" At 20, 40, 48 seconds, he then says, "No." 2040, and 58 seconds, Nia replies, "I walked up there." At 2041, Jarvis replies back to her, "So walk now." At 2041, Lzia replies, "I can't. Nana's back." At 2042, she sends, "Can you pull up today since you're not working late?" Uh, 2042, she sends a couple question marks. Then he replies at 2042 and 29 seconds with the word, "Yep." and those messages were deleted. >> Okay. >> And moving on to July 11th. July 11, 2023. At 1843 hours, Naziah sends to Jarvis, I want to [ __ ] At 1900 hours, he replies, when? At 202 hours, she sends the three letters NVM or never mind. At 2038, she sends I took a shower. At 2132, she sends be so hard not to think about you, but the dick too good not to think about you, and I miss you rubbing on my thigh. Uh the date is now July 12th and this is at 0035 hours. She sends we might go over Shan Priv at 0255 hours. She sends I'm fitting to hop in the shower. Call as soon as you get done doing whatever. I want you to tell me how you going to give me my dick for my bday. Tell me nice and slow and sexy so I can play NVM. You know, >> and were those deleted? >> Yes. >> Okay. And later on on July 12th, [snorts] >> July 12th at 1438 hours, Messiah sends good morning. Then at 1647 hours, she sends Did I have panties on? At 1647, Jarvis replies no. At 1650, Messiah sends him some question marks. And then at 1700, she has a missed call from Jarvis's number. It says missed call. Uh she still has him saved in here as bay for light. At 1918 hours, she says, "How did you know?" At 2309 hours, she sends you busy. At 2311 hours, uh, there is an incoming missed call again from Jarvis's number. Missed call from Bay for Life. It's now July 13th, 0144 hours. Naziah has sent him a picture. Immediately after that, she sends a text that says shower pick. And then there's some emojis. At 0149, she says, "Damn, no response." [snorts] Is 0149 21 seconds, she sends uh some type of emojis again, and all those messages were deleted. We are now moving to July 22nd. >> Before we move on, Sergeant Jones, do you need a moment? A break. Are you okay? Um, I got to go a little bit longer. >> Okay, here we go. >> Unless the court needs a break. No, I'm making sure that she didn't did the break. >> Okay. July 22nd, 2023 at 1456 hours, Naziah sends, "Be I want to fuck." Then at 14:57, he replies, "Work." Immediately after that, he replies, "I do too." 1457 Isaiah replies, "No, you don't." 1457, Jarvis replies, "I do." [clears throat] Immediately after that, Jarvis sends, "Wa, where are you at?" 1457, Messiah sends, "I'm at the crib." 1457 hours and 57 seconds. Jarvis replies, "Come on." At 1458 as I replies, Shan and Nana went to Family Dollar. Uh the next message says, "I can't. I wish I could." At 1458, Jarvis replies, "How long are they going to be?" At 1458, she sends to him, "Idk for I don't know." The next message is I'm so horny. Uh, then at 1459 she sends, "I want a hug from you." At 1501, Jarvis sends her a message that says, "I'm on my way." with the exclamation point. I just got off the phone with Shan. They are at the barber shop. >> Those messages were deleted. Yes. >> [snorts] >> And moving to uh July 24th, July 24, 2023 at 03 24 hours, Naziah sends Jarvis a message that says, "Don't [snorts] park in front." Immediately, Jarvis replies, "Why?" Then at 0325, Jarvis sends, "You act like you're going to come outside." At 0325 [clears throat] sends I can't I have guests. 0325 she sends and people do watch and look at the house all night. At 0326 she sends just park down the street please. Thank you. 0326 hours. Darus replies to her, "Who?" Nessiah then replies back, "People on the block." At 0326, Jarvis replies, "Who is the guest?" At 0326, Messiah says, "My girlfriend, Vari girlfriend." 0327, Nia sends, I took his [ __ ] Then at 0327, Jarvis replies to her, "She is our bitch." At 0327, Desiah sends to Jarvis, "She 14, about to be 15." At 0328, she sends, "Are you close?" At 0328, Jarvis replies, "Is she our [ __ ] or no? 0328 replies yes. Uh Jarvis then replies to her and says you fake. 0328 says how she is our [ __ ] At 0329 she sends bae I'm sorry I didn't mean to make you mad. 0330 Jarvis replies to her she don't know about us right 0331 Jarvis then says but is she trustworthy at 0331 as I replies yes she don't know about us at 0356 she sends it's off 0357 Jarvis replies wrong light. And at 0357, she says the letter K, >> were those messages deleted? >> Yes. >> Okay. And later in the day on July 24th, >> July 24th, >> before we keep going on, so this is me just finding this out cuz I didn't make it this far when I was taking my notes. So he not only has created another victim through Naziah, but now he has his victim hunting for other victims. It's I'm just waiting on that jail justice I always hear about when it comes to child predators cuz I'm like why he coming in here with his face not tow up every time. Like where is those people that y'all say be in jail that don't that that you know I'm I'm be quiet but you know what I'm saying. >> At 12:22 and sends to Jarvis, "Fuck me then." At 12:22 he replies, "Huh?" And at 12:23 he replies, "I'm trying to." At 12:23, Nziah says to him, You said, "Fuck me." At 12:23, she says, "So do so." 12:23, Jarvis replies, "When?" 12:23, Naziah replies, "Trying to make time going through my schedule RN right now." 12:24, Naziah sends, "What time are you going to work?" At 12:40, Jarvis replies now. And now jumps to 2121 hours. Niah sends WY for what you're doing. Uh then at 2123, she sends you free with some question marks. We now jump to July 25th at 1733 hours. Nessiah sends, "I want to [ __ ] today." At 1733 hours, Jarvis replies back, "Come on." Then immediately after, he replies, "I'm by myself." At 17:33, she sends back to him, "I can't RN for right now." At 17:34, Messiah sends, "After work, can you call for me, please?" And those messages were all deleted as well. >> And now jumping to August [clears throat] 4th. [snorts] >> August 4, 2023 at 2207 hours. Niah sends to Jarvis. Chan and Nana left. D O N. And then there's some type of emoji uh know what time they coming back. At 2208 ours replies, "Okay, what you saying?" Desiah then replies back, "What you think I'm trying to say?" But there's uh some emojis in there again. At [snorts] 2209, Jarvis replies back with some type of emoji. Niah then replies back, "Idk, is it? I don't know. Is it?" At 2209, Nziah sends, "What you thinking?" At 22:10, Jarvis replies to Nessiah, "Are we fucking?" At 2210, Nia sends [ __ ] are we shi. At 2212, Naziah sends a bunch of question marks. Now it's August spit. Mia sends, "Wow, you spit me up." I was going to point out the judge's demeanor. So Mary, since you asked, "Is the judge going to sleep?" Mm-m. [clears throat] I think she's trying to keep her sanity and her composure because she's supposed to still be the as impartial as you can be. You know what I mean? So, I think she's trying to do some calming methods, some only have a little bit more to go. Pep talks to herself. But no, she's wide awake. She's wide awake. I think she's trying to keep it together. August 5th at 0047 she sends I was waiting and then at 0047 she sends I above. The next message after that is a correction that says you a bomb. >> And were those deleted? >> Yes. >> And now jumping to August 26th. [clears throat] Okay, I need a break now. >> Okay, good time for 15 minute break. You come back 1210. >> All right. Hey, put my kicks up. Yeah, she is about to read him for filth at the end. We're not going to watch that today together, but we will watch it together. I got to see enough of a preview that I know what's coming for him, but I can't wait to watch the whole thing. Um, but I saved it for myself because I wanted to actually hear all the evidence presented so I could get it just I needed it this way for my brain. But all I saw I saw the headlines. I saw the preview of what she says about him and I can't wait to actually just hear it from her mouth and watch her as she does what she needs to do. Um, I think we're going a little bit more. Um, let me see if she's still holding these papers to finish out. Lord, I thought Oh my gosh. All right. It's We're We're getting back in there. Okay, we are back on the record. This is case 2459617. The people of state of Michigan versus Jarvis but all parties are present. We took a 20 minute break. And Miss Ripley, you can continue with your questioning. >> Thank you. Um, Sergeant Jones, I believe we were leaving off at uh August 26. >> Yes. So, text messages from August 26, 2023, starting at 9 or 0909 hours. Messiah sends to Jarvis. I'm in so much pain right now. Uh, at 09094 seconds, she says, "My stomach hurts really bad." At 0937 hours, Jarvis attempts to call Misiah. It shows your missed call from Bay for Life. At 14 26 hours, Messiah texts Jarvis and says, "I did have my period. It came when I was in the hospital." At 1420 hours, this is now jumped to August 27th. Uh 1420 hours, uh Nziah sends GM for good morning. August 28th at 0006 hours, Messiah sends to Jarvis, "My stomach hurt real bad." 0055 hours, she sends, "Why you can't answer?" 0056 hours, she sends, "Never mind this you anyway." At 0131 hours, Jarvis replies to her, "Yes, baby." At 0132, Nia replies, "My stomach hurt really bad." At 0132 hours, Jarvis replies to her, "I didn't nut inside of you." At 0133, Naziah replies, "I'm not even talking about that. I'm saying it hurts really bad." At 0134, she says, "Are you busy?" 0149 is says I want to talk to you about some let me know when you are free and these were all deleted. >> Okay. And uh August 28th later in the day >> August 28th at 1331 hours sends a message to Jarvis that says I want to try something at >> Okay, I'm taking another break real fast. Um there was a medical examiner that um came in day one or day probably day two or day three of this pre preliminary trial and um I do think the prosecution prosecution chose a medical examiner for the optics because obviously this is at trial because they believe uh Naziah was murdered. A medical examiner usually is associated with examining a body of someone that's not alive anymore. They don't have a body for Naza, but I do think that and they said, "Well, we're questioning him on his medical expertise, not on him examining a body cuz defense tried to object to it being a medical examiner." Well, he's still qualified to look at someone's medical history. But I do think prosecution made a strategic choice to have a when you see oh the medical examiners taking the stand that puts more um gravity towards the type of medical professional that is talking about her history. But the reason actually put him on the stand was to say he did review her medical history. She did not have any life-threatening things in her medical history that would account for her all of a sudden not being alive now. So, they took that off the table of she may have just suffered something natural and now she's just not here anymore. Um, but but again, I say and defense knows it too. The medical examiner instead of it just being a doctor, maybe one of her pediatricians or whatever, I do think they chose that because when you think medical examiner, you think, "Okay, this person's not here anymore." Cuz even me knowing they had not found her body, I was still like, "What is this medical examiner about to say? What did they find? What did he see? And then they just for now used him to say she she wouldn't have died from something in her medical history. 32 he replies back uh what spelled w a t. At 1332 hours she says a free song. At 1344 hours sends you down for it. Uh then she sends a question mark. At 13:44 Jarvis replies back with who? 13:44 she replies IGK or I don't know yet. Do you got someone? At 13:45 she sends I'm still looking. >> And were those deleted? >> Yes. >> Okay. And just a little couple hours later on on Octo August 28th >> August 28th at 1858 hours sends I feel you don't want to be bothered with me. 2200 hours she sends WYD for what you're doing. 2,200 hours she replies back thinking about you. Taking another break. I'm taking more breaks at the end than I did at the beginning. But I I do want to ask y'all cuz I feel like that has happened in the justice system before. Okay, let's say this goes to trial, Jarvis gets convicted. Do you think then that law enforcement would use that to maybe then file some charges against the grandmother and the aunt? Because I don't think they're innocent. I just don't know how far a role they played in this, but I don't think they're innocent. So, I am wondering like y'all are wondering about are charges coming for them something cuz I just feel like the more they look into this the more they have to be like we're looking at the the these two adults that were in the house with her. >> 2201 she sends Oh, so are you down with the threesome? 2221 he replies yes with who though? 2246 she sends IK still looking. Then immediately after that she replies IDK for I don't know. It is now August 29th at 0347. She sends F. That's what's up. He replies huh? Desiah then replies none. We'll figure it out. at 0349 hours. He sends what? She then replies back to him. Never mind. NBM, are you busy? She then replies at 0350 again. Exactly. So, I'll take that as a yes. >> And were those deleted? >> Yes. And now we're moving forward to Oh, sorry. >> That's okay. Go ahead. >> Uh, we're moving forward to September 26th. September 26 starting at 1431 hours sends ba you up with some question marks. Then she sends another set of question marks. 1432 he replies yeah. 1433 Messiah sends my period haven't came at all. 1436 she sends hello you there with some question marks. 1437 Jarvis replies to Isaiah what you mean? At 1438 says it have not came. 1438 Jarvis replies to her since when? Messiah then sends at 143842 seconds since I was in the hospital. The next message is that was last month. I'm scared. I don't know IDK what to do. I have to go to the doctor's TM for tomorrow. At 14:41, Jarvis replies in his eye and says, "You said that you took a pregnancy test and it was negative." 14:41, she replies, "It did." At 1441, Jarvis replies, "So go get another one." At 14:42, Nziah tells him on a text, "I can't. I have no money." After that, she says, "You go get one." 14:43, she says, "You ain't scared to get a plan B. Get a pregnancy test and bring it later today. Just act like you have to use the bathroom." At 1436, she says, "Pls for please." Uh, she then replies, "Will you do it?" with some question marks. At 1451, she sends hello with a bunch of question marks. Uh, then at 1456, Jarvis replies to her with, "Okay." >> Okay. And now the messages uh from 9:26 uh at 1431 and 41 seconds all the way to 1439 and 42 seconds. Were those deleted? >> Well, so they're they're deleted from the 1431 41 seconds all the way down to 1439 and 13 seconds. Those are not deleted. >> Okay. Then there's two that are deleted, which are the the two messages that talked about, I'm scared. I don't know what I have to do. I have to go to the doctors tomorrow. And then the other one that she deleted was when it says you said that you took a pregnancy test and it was negative. Um there's one that she did not delete that was it did. Then the rest of them after that where it talks about uh get another test, come upstairs and put it in the bathroom. Those messages were deleted. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um of a few times the male detective and Sergeant Shannon Jones, I believe, um they asked they kept asking Jarvis, "Did you notice her changing? Was her face rounder? Did she look like she was getting bigger?" And it goes to what, you know, Put my kicks up is saying and what we're hearing that if we go by these messages, she would have been about 5 months pregnant because if she started hurting around August, then she missed her period around September. Yeah, I could see if we went from August, September, October, November, December, January. Um, she'd be getting around about 5 months pregnant at that time. Um, Noir Angel said there's two things that you said. Hold on. Norah Angel said, "So, she couldn't have gone to the hospital without a guardian. So, why didn't the doctor ask if she was sexually active with stomach pains? They've been asking my daughter since she was 10." Um, and then you said, "Whenever I take my daughter to the doctor, the doctor always asks if she is sexually active. I don't understand why she is talking about the hospital visit as if she was there by herself as well." The that did stand out to me that it did seem like I know she had to get there with somebody. an adult had to be involved, but she does really speak as if she's by herself. And if the doctor saw anything, I do feel like he would have told an adult given her age. So, yeah. Um, and then I think somebody said, cuz I'm only going off what I can see in the pre-trial, I'm trying to not get too far into the other areas because the theories start getting wild. So, I kind of stayed in the trial, but y'all did say that at some point the aunt said she did see the pregnancy test or something like that. So, um yeah, but it does seem like she's it almost seems like she's at the doctor by herself and as if everybody's just playing dumb about knowing that this little girl was pregnant. And uh moving to September 27th. >> September 27th starting at 2126 hours. Messiah sends uh but are we still on for Friday? At 2131, Jarvis replies, "What you mean?" 2138, she says, "Are we still on for Friday?" At 2149, Jarvis replies, "Yes." Uh 2149 as Zia says the letter to pay. At 2149 Jarvis then sends a text to her asking what we doing though. At 2149 she sends back uh [ __ ] at 2150 Jarvis replies seriously. 2150 Messiah replies yeah what else we going to do? on 2150 Jars replies back to her where Nessiah then replies back immediately and says IK or I don't know you pick somewhere then at 2151 Jarvis sends to her I always do 2151 says I know at 2152 she says I really just want to cuddle but if you want to [ __ ] we can 2152 2 20 seconds she sends so do you with some question marks 2152 and 35 seconds Jarvis sends to her do I weigh then right after that is a word that was corrected like what so should have said do I what then Zia sends at 2152 want to [ __ ] at 2153 she sends I just want to cuddle but it ain't always what I want to do. At 2153, she says, "So, yes or no?" At 2154, Jarvis replies, "Only if you want to." 2154, she says, "Okay, so we [ __ ] then." 2155, Jarvis replies, "So, stop talking about you want to cuddle then." 2155, his eye replies, "Okay, damn. You don't have to be me. At 2155, Jarvis replies and it shows that he laughed at her comment about you don't have to be mean. >> Okay. And were all of those messages deleted? >> No. >> Okay. Which where does it start that they was deleted? Um, they do not start getting deleted until the messages that Jarvis sends to her. Only if you want to. So, we [ __ ] men stop talking about you want to cuddle. Those are the messages that we're doing. Okay. And now we are moving forward to October 19th. >> October 19th, 2023. At 2223 hours, Jarvis sends Nazis a text that says, "Hey." She replies back, "Are you ignoring me?" Jarvis replies, "No." It now jumps to October 21st at 1905 hours. Missia sends, "Hey bae, I need that plan B today." At 1907 hours, Jarvis sends her the letter Y. Uh, the next message isn't sent until October 22nd at 0433 hours when Isiah replies back to him. Wim Y. So for um meaning what you need, why >> and were those deleted? >> Yes. >> And now jumping to November 27th. >> Okay. So now we're getting into the minus 5 hours for the uh >> Okay. >> Uh November 27th, 2023 at 21106 hours. The Zia sends I just want to talk. I really don't want to lose you. Um, at 21109 she says, "Can we talk later? Yes or no?" At 22:22, she says, "I don't want your problem, but I need you to bring me what I need tonight. It's hard doing all this gym [ __ ] with this baby, and if I don't do them, I'm going to get a F." 228. She says, "If you keep ignoring me, you just going to you just going to get no more pussy." 2235. She sends answer the phone. You not doing nothing. 2236 she sends plss for please. >> And were those deleted? >> Yes. And now going to jump ahead to January 9th of 2024. >> January 9th, 2024 at 14:21. Messiah sent to Jarvis, don't forget, be there before 3. I will let you know when I'm leaving the school. If you're not there, I will wait. Okay, they jumped to January 9th. Just want to reiterate January 9th, 2024 is when Naza went missing. Um, then at 14:22, she says, "Send okay if you've seen the message so I can delete your number." Then at 1423, Jarvis replies, okay, and those messages were deleted. And there was no further communication between his text number and Jarvis's number after >> January 9th, 2024, one year ago today. >> Yes. >> Happy further judge. [sighs] >> Okay. So, um, y'all educated me and said that the, um, minors do have more rights. Uh, and they, the doctors will actually ask if you want your parents to stay in there or not. Put my kicks up. Said my daughter knew not to say no or to say, "Yeah, I want my mom to leave." So, I didn't know that um that I knew that there were rights when it came to if in some states probably, but when if a child is pregnant and then if an adult is the only one that can make the decision, I knew they had some rights on that part, but I didn't know about um not sharing if your the child was sexually active or not. So, we have made it to January 9th, 2024, which was the last communications um that were sent from Naziah's device, text now, social media, all of that. um when they were interviewing Jarvis on that May 31st, June 1st time frame and they said what did you and and it was another time they interviewed him I think in February 2024 also and they said you know what do you mean by okay cuz she was texting you you wanted she wanted to meet and he was saying no we never met up that day and he was like oh I was just you know I was so busy at the shop I saw that message I saw a lot of stuff and I thought, "Oh, okay. She means me at her grandmother's house cuz that's where I would get them to come work at the shop type stuff." So, I just texted back, "Okay, so a lot of it is, oh, I wasn't really looking at the messages. Oh, I thought it was Shannon." All these it just sorry, weak weak weak lies and excuses. Um, let me see. Okay. So, yeah, I I I wish I knew how much more about how uh criminal justice worked because I am thinking about it. I'm like, I guess if they were going to charge the uh charge the aunt and the grandmother, they probably would have had to do it now. I don't know if they could do it later now that I'm thinking about it, but their hands are not clean. Oh my gosh. And a lot of y'all have said today and other days you saw re the last recent pictures of Nazia, you could tell her face was filling out and stuff like that. Um, and that if y'all can see it, somebody that would know her could see like she's changing and then she's not asking for pads or anything that goes with a teenager having her cycle uh for months at a time and nobody's thinking, hm, why isn't she, you know, asking for anything? Yeah. some the people's hands are not clean. I for sure. Um, we're stopping here. Hopefully, you can do something to decompress from all that we just had to listen to. Um, I don't want Well, this I have a two-way street with this. I don't want him to take a plea deal cuz I want him to go to trial and get like a a maximum sentence, honestly. But I also am like, what if somehow someway they don't find him guilty? And I'm like, dang, we could have got some time out of him. So, I'm just like, I don't see how you couldn't, but I don't trust anything. But yeah, I I really need the mom and aunt to be investigated as well. But he he is a monster that has has so many victims. And yes, I forgot about that part. the fact that the one that he's also in a trial with. That's his own. It's about his own daughter being a victim. He did, yes, he passed on a STD to her, too. I had forgotten about that. It's just so much. And he had a history before his last two victims. Like, I don't understand. I don't understand these women that are letting um their their child just be around somebody and not vetting them properly. I don't understand. Also, if cuz there's some some um interrogations we've watched, well, I've watched I don't know if I watched them with y'all yet, but where the dads are leaving their kids with these women that hate their kids and it's just like a predator is a predator. You can't just be leaving your kids with people and just allowing them to go off with people and you got to talk. It's It's just so much. And I don't know how y'all parents do it. I don't know if you're a parent or if you're just even if you're an aunt that's like you're keeping such in touch with your niece and nephew like on a daily basis and and and you're another figure in their life that's there for them in that way. I don't know how y'all do it. I don't um I'm a longdistance aunt myself and I'm I'm I don't want to go tmi but basically it's I'm at best the awkward aunt. I'll put it that way. being long distance, not meeting my nieces until they kind of were already establishing their personalities and stuff like that. Um, but yeah, it's I don't know how parents do it. It's so much you have to be vigilant about. Put my kicks up said they said he refused the plea deal, so he must have some information that's going to get him something lighter. Okay. Okay. Cuz I knew there I had heard talks about it. I hadn't heard about accepting or refusing. Okay. Um, Liddon said he also has other victims actively. He's not going anywhere. The school needs to answer questions. I can see some of the school, some of it with the school, a lot of it with the home and the adults in the home. Jamie said, "I understand he was violated as a teen, resulting in him being a young dad, but that would be even more reason why he shouldn't turn out this way. He knows how it feels to be violated." Yeah, victims. Some victims turn into predators. We see it so often. Right. Leiddon said, "Any ladies, if a man has a record for sexual assault, run run far away." Right. I again, I told y'all I feel like he picks out a certain type of women, even if it's not their physical presence, it's their personalities he's picking out. He's picking out the same vulnerability in in women. And then the kids become a victim because he's picking out a very certain type of woman. I feel like basically a woman that's not going to do her due diligence, that is insecure, that is willing to make excuses for somebody that can't even form two sentences and can't speak the hell up. Uh just mumbling all over the place. And even like the one that was on the stand, I think it was his ex- fiance said he would talk in circles. Um, I don't care what anyone says. Which one is it? The one that never spoken to the microphone properly, but we everybody else since her has been on that stand and we can hear them just fine in the microphone. I don't care what anyone says. They Some people think she was mad and pissed on the stand because of her finding out what he did to children. And I still say that neck started working and she got mad when they started talking about if he was cheating or dealing with other women. Women like that that profile of that type of woman predators will continue to find victims through cuz you're still not even focused on the the right thing. All right. So it that's it for now. I will see y'all later this week. So, because we still have to hear closing arguments and also I think the defense is going to ask Sergeant Shannon Jones some questions before they get to closing arguments. So, yeah, we'll be back sometime later this week. Yeah, just want a man. Yep, Mary. Exactly. Yeah, I'm not with the sleepovers. When kids start when I was seeing those stories about kids not coming back from a sleepover, they're not even alive anymore, let alone they got violated at sleepover. I'm like, I get it. I I see why parents are like, you know what? No, no sleepovers. No, it's not happening. Okay, y'all. I will see y'all later. Thank you for spending time with me and getting through this with me. I'll talk to y'all soon. Bye.