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If you don't like talking, the link is already in the description box, so you can just go ahead and click that link, and you don't have to worry about being interrupted. Um I'm trying to be very good about respecting the original uploaders, and all right, nice thank y'all sound checks. Um I'm trying to make sure I'm respectful of the original uploaders, so yeah, I will be talking on purpose. All right. So, we have This was submitted. Um oh, I'm probably going to keep saying this, but the law and crime ones, they be having too many people in there in there doing like their interview style, and so they have some great stories, but they're already interviewing each other and so, they I just I be wanting to hear the story. You know what I mean? So, if you see some good ones, Law & Crime don't have the best ones when it comes to how they put the content out, except the body cams cuz they don't say anything in the body cams. So, it's like it's already too much and I don't want to then add to that cuz it's it's just a lot of I don't know. I don't know how to describe it, but their setup is great for them cuz it's their content, but I don't know what to say in between all those people already talking to each other and I don't know. It's not it's not my bag as much, but the stories be fire. So, please, if you find a story on another channel, send it to me. >> [laughter] >> All right. So, we have y'all saw the trigger warning. It's cops open mom's trunk, uncover a horrifying secret and then you saw my title. So, obviously, the subject is not is going to be all trigger warning. You It's not good and it is about a kid, so I'm going to tell you that now in case you do not want to stick around for that. All right. >> This is blood. >> No, it's not. It was Jeremy's. >> It smells like like death in there. >> There's something That's a lot of blood. >> Yeah, but people don't have boils and blood and it smells like death in your car. So, like there's a huge blood splatter. How did that happen? >> On May 20th, 2022 in Mound, Minnesota, a bizarre traffic stop reveals an unimaginable secret hiding in plain sight, setting off a twisted series of events that will end in an unspeakable discovery. >> Woah. Uh what the [ __ ] is that? Holy [ __ ] >> The following is based on official police records. Just after 7:00 a.m., the Orono Police Department was contacted about a suspicious vehicle driving without a tire and with the back window smashed. It doesn't take long for officers to spot the vehicle and initiate a traffic stop. >> Hey. I don't know what this uh Yeah. What's going on? >> Are they shooting? >> Um well, you're you don't have a tire. >> Oh, I know. I'm going home right now. >> You going where? >> I'm going home right now to get >> Okay. You have a driver's license on you today? >> You guys mind Can I give you my license once I get home? >> No. >> The woman's license identifies her as 28-year-old Julissa Thaler. She claims that an hour ago teenagers shot at her car with BBs, causing the damage to her tire and rear window. >> Look at the BBs right there. On the front of the dashboard, on the outside of the car, on the outside of the car, right there, on the outside of the car. >> If the woman's story isn't strange enough, one of the officers has already noticed something concerning. Um do you have any guns in the car cuz I see a shotgun shell right there? >> No gun. >> No No guns in the car? >> No. >> Okay. So, I'm not 100% understanding your story. Could you kind of explain from the beginning? >> Sure. I was sitting in the Alano AA Club and some kids started shooting paintballs and broke the tire on my car. I said, "Excuse me, you guys, what are you doing?" and they ran off. So, now I'm driving home to put a new tire on and I need to get there before my hub fell. Well, they must have been doing something because it was really really really really >> Why is your hand all bloody? >> Because I was just itching my finger. >> You're what? >> I was itching my finger. I have a thing. >> problem. I merely have a female issue. That's it. >> Okay. So, she also seems like she's under the influence on top of obviously what the police are going to find, which is why we're here. Um I I always wonder, do they really think they're about to just get away with what they're doing and just be scot-free? Because I don't understand. It's just Well, she's intoxicated. So, that's why she she She didn't even know she didn't have a tire. I'm pretty sure she didn't know cuz we've seen a lot of DUI stops where people are riding with no tire, and I don't even know how you do that. But So, she just thought she could explain away the busted-out back window. Didn't know she had a blown-out tire a tire missing from the car completely. Um Shotgun shells in the back, blood still on your hands. I do wonder about these I guess when you're already going to make the permanent decision, you're just going to go ahead and make other bad decisions as well cuz I I don't get it. I don't see how you wouldn't get caught, but that's just me. >> Let's just get her out. >> Yeah, why don't you step out of the car for me? >> Oh, why do you need my car, too? >> Why don't you step out of the car for me? Step out. We're going to go around over here behind your car. >> Okay. What's up? >> Trying to understand what's going on, the officers ask her to detail the events leading up to this moment. Julie says she explains that she spent the previous evening filling Instacart orders from 10:00 p.m. until 6:00 a.m. before meeting with her Alcoholics Anonymous sponsor, where she says her car was vandalized. >> So, she might add to the lie by saying she met with her sponsor to do Okay. It's not the focal point of this story, but yeah. Just just bad just bad lies. Okay. >> You guys, are you trying to search me or something? >> Oh, I Because you have blood, I'm just testing the blood. I don't know where that blood from. >> from my feminine hygiene. >> Answer questions on this one now. >> Sure. >> Do you have any mental >> Did she say those the blood was from her feminine hygiene, like she's on her cycle? I'm going back. Yep, she said feminine hygiene. All right. >> my feminine hygiene. >> Answer questions on this one now. >> Sure. >> Do you have any mental health problems? >> No, sir. >> Nothing? >> No, no. And I actually have a doctor's note from my psychiatrist um just um for I think custody court. >> Okay. >> And they said I'm in good mental health, no problems. >> Okay. >> You're being kind of rude. Well, I really need to get home. >> I'm worried because this looks really bad. And kids shooting paintball guns doesn't just uh do this much damage to somebody's car. >> Yeah. >> That's why I'm worried about you. I'm concerned for you. You've got blood on you. That might be some >> They were throwing paintball guns wrong. >> Besides, they need to discuss the situation among themselves. The officers tell Julissa to sit in her vehicle. >> She's going to leave on us, I guarantee it. Let's get her keys. Give me 1 second. Hold on. Can you go stand there for a minute? >> Yeah, just one question. You guys need a warrant to search my car. >> I'm not searching your car. >> What's up, then? >> Can you go >> All right, now I'm on the comment that you made earlier, Ace Moonshot. He said he didn't see how they didn't have enough probable cause to search the car earlier than they did. It cuz to they've used less to search cars. That's a lot. Like just alone, let's just say alone, the car should be towed cuz it's not It shouldn't be operating on a road. They can inventory the car, which we all know means search the car. Um but how do you not search a car with a shot a a shotgun shell in the backseat? What looks like a gunshot through the window, um busted back window just gone, blood on her hands. I feel LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF PROBABLE CAUSE going on here. So, yeah, if they didn't search immediately, that is crazy. >> Hold on. We're going to do this with the >> over there so I can do what I got to do. >> Okay, good. >> Hold on. Wait a minute. Hold on. What? >> Is she in it? >> Uh-huh. >> This is blood. >> No, it's not. It was deer meat. >> Deer meat? >> bag of ravioli and groceries over here. >> So, the blood on her hands is from her feminine hygiene and then the blood on the busted window is deer meat. Okay. >> Let me see your hand for a second. Can you just show your hand to me? How about the other side? >> This is dirty. It's not blood. >> Okay. >> Bloody as hell. >> It smells like like death in there. >> It's all deer meat. >> That looks Yeah. I mean >> No, I'm sorry. My car is a mess, but >> You can't really be mad if you get out of the car and just >> You guys are being really >> She should have been handcuffed as soon as they saw the shotgun shell. Even if it's a detainment, that's enough. She needs to be handcuffed. >> Wait. Oh my god, look up in there. Okay, this is like Did you look up? >> What's that? >> So, what what happened in this corner here? >> Sure. So, I had bags of groceries there. I had some deer meat. I had some ravioli cans and had some veggies and those people broke my window so I had to throw all my groceries away. >> She had canned food in her groceries and because they broke her back window, she had to throw away her non-refrigerated food which still if the window was intact would not more keep food any more refrigerated than had a window not been broken. It's just I guess I don't know. I I don't understand people like this. I don't but I do Well, when we hear her history, we'll see but a lot of people should have done better by preventing her from doing what she did. >> Let's let's start all six and just yeah. >> What's up? >> So, nobody else was in here today with you, right? >> No. >> Nobody? >> No. >> Okay. >> Why? What's up? >> Well, we're trying to figure it out. There's a lot going on here. That's a lot of blood. >> Blood? >> Or something. Where is it here now? >> I threw it out. Why would you want it if it was a full glass? >> We got a few things to look into. >> What do you need to look into? It's not a It's not a crime to get vandalized. I'm cold and I want to go home. >> Okay, we're just looking at the totality of the circumstances. >> Yeah, people get in car accidents all the time, right? >> Yeah, but people don't have >> It's May 20th and she's talking about she's freezing and she's cold. >> There's bullet holes and blood and it smells like death in your car. >> Fine towel. >> What do you have in your trunk? >> Nothing. >> Nothing in the trunk at all? >> No. >> There's no deer meat or anything in the trunk? >> No, sir. >> A supervisor arrives on the scene and Julissa immediately relays the same story. >> Sorry, I was wondering if I could just get out of the ticket and maybe no tickets would be awesome. Um, would you be able to get my ID back from those guys? They seem to be holding I don't know what they're doing. >> Okay. Well, will you stay here? I'm just going to look at your tire just to see how it is, okay? >> The tire is fine. There's just no rim on it. >> That hole. And then You can see there's a Oh. >> Crap ton of blood. >> Finally, the supervisor takes a closer look at Julissa's missing tire. >> Oh, this >> Crap ton of blood equals handcuffed to be detained to me. >> Can't be driven. There is no tire there. All right. >> No. >> Prior to being pulled over, Julissa was spotted at a Shell gas station. The unusual state of her vehicle drew more than a little >> Hold on. Can y'all see this missing tire in the front left? This is what I'm saying. This is how drunk people they just drive as if they have tires. Look at this. >> spotted at a Shell gas station. The unusual state of her >> Can y'all You probably can't see it, but there's no tire right there. It's just a rim, a hubcap. >> Her vehicle drew more than a little attention, with one witness even capturing a Snapchat video. >> To me, I mean that is right there. It looks almost like a bullet went through and hit a head because it almost looks like there's some sort of matter on the back seat. Right. That's something bigger is going on. >> So, though they're on the right track, the details of the incident will be beyond anything they could have imagined. For now, the supervisor heads back to his vehicle to call for a tow truck. >> The shotgun shells. Talking about the shotgun shells. Why is one >> Okay, so they did go the tow truck route. I was wondering. >> Spent, one's not spent. >> Um one's for target practice. I don't know my boyfriend drove the car, but I'm not really sure. Whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? >> They haven't searched her anything. When you When you have to say out loud there's a crap ton of blood, shotgun shells in the backseat, looks like there's a lot of matter on the seat or wherever he saw the the the whatever type of tissue he saw on the seat or whatever, where are the handcuffs? Where is the wrist jewelry? >> Put it in. >> Put it Excuse me. >> Just taking some pictures. >> You're not going to double photo. Excuse me. I don't want anybody in my car. >> We're not going in your car. >> I'm not doing anything, but I just don't want you guys climbing around in my car. >> climbing around. >> As Julissa's strange behavior continues, the officers spot another disturbing detail. >> You notice how there's there's drops on the outside of the car, too. >> Is this from the deer meat, too? >> Um probably. There's a big thing with it. It went >> How did it get out of How is it on the outside of your car and the inside of your car? >> Um I'm not sure. I'm >> Julissa's lack of an explanation does nothing to quell the officers' growing suspicions. >> I mean, she said she had deer meat. >> Those suspicions needed to grow a little bit faster for me. Now Now the blood's dripping outside of the car onto the ground. It's Now this is biases showing for sure. Like let that be someone else that fits a profile just from the busted window and the missing tire. Now see this this this is how people get harmed. Sergeant Curtis was saying you're not supposed to let your your guard down. I need Sergeant Curtis to review this because I need to know what he would think when they just saw the first two things, missing tire and a back window shot out. >> Guys, but the way that blood spot is >> It's not from the deer meat. That's all >> If you know that's from a firearm. >> I think it's looking to me like a backseat passenger that got hit, honestly. >> And they >> It looks like a shooting happened. >> The officers can see a large hole in the backseat of Holst Street between the head area and backrest. Even with the concerning discovery, the supervisor has made a decision. >> [snorts] >> So, right now, all right, I I don't have any You're not under arrest. You're not being detained, but we're not letting you take the vehicle right now. We're impounding the vehicle. >> I'm just I'm sorry. I don't approve of you taking the car. I want to I have to get to the hospital. >> I know it's I know it's I know it's >> bullet hole in the headrest. The detective arrives and says it looks like a back passenger was shot. But you're not under arrest and you're not even being detained. >> The fortunate thing >> You're talking over me. I'm >> Well, no, I can't let you over by your vehicle right now is the thing, okay? >> it? Well, >> So, so right now, you got the >> While cows out, the sergeant had already arrived about 5 minutes ago and he went back to his car. He's on the scene with them. >> I can't let you by your vehicle right now. Right now, it's it's under my custody. >> Okay, well, I need my money. I need my phone. I need my car. >> Okay. >> I need to get my stuff please. I'm freezing. >> Okay, no, I can't let you back to the vehicle right now. I'm I am more than happy I am more than happy to get you your phone out of the car, okay? But as of right now, do you want >> I'll get it. >> Would you like a ride? I can take >> you do you do. >> Would you like a ride? >> Um yes, please. I'll love a ride. >> Though she accepted the ride, Julissa continues to oppose the officers impounding her vehicle. >> You're right. And at this time, you are free to go. >> Awesome. Well, I the car is actually drivable. >> drivable. >> So, I was wondering if I could just drive it. >> Nope. Nope. Not right now. >> Why do you need it? >> Cuz I believe that there contains evidence of a crime. I apologize. Believe that. And also, you have no front left front left tire. >> I have a phone in there that I need. >> Yeah, anything that's in the vehicle right now is staying in the vehicle, unfortunately. >> Thank you. I left it in the back. Guys, take your time around here. I have things to do and you pull people over for having cracked windshield. It's so horrible. >> It takes only a few minutes to arrive at the apartments where Julissa lives. She's dropped off at 8:25 a.m. >> I got to let [clears throat] you out though. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. I wanted to thank you for your time. We'll keep in touch with you, okay? Thank you. >> Surveillance footage from inside the building captures the moment Julissa runs through the door. However, since her belongings are still inside her car, she doesn't have her key and has to wait for someone to let her in. Minutes later, the officer returns to the scene where more law enforcement has arrived, leading to one of the most gruesome discoveries the Orono police has ever made. >> Scared, your thoughts on one thing? We have not checked the trunk and I have this terrible feeling about the trunk and I have it the whole time. Woah. Uh >> Had a terrible feeling about the chunk of tissue human tissue, but they let's say animal tissue in the in the car, but not enough of a terrible feeling to detain the person under suspicion. Y'all know how many body cams we watch and I I must have had this playing in the background cuz I'm telling you it feels like I'm seeing this for the first time on this part. I I don't even know what to say right now. I can't believe they didn't search her. They didn't develop prob- If you can see a a a a a piece of a blunt in the car and that's enough to search, but you see matter on the seat, a bullet a bullet hole in the headrest a blown out back windshield, blood on her hands, blood on the trunk. Blood dripping out the car. But that's not enough to put handcuffs on her. Mhm. >> Uh what the [ __ ] is that? Oh. >> That might be the deer meat that she took out of the uh trunk in the tail. >> Why she saw that can? You don't have a smell of it in there. >> Inside the trunk, they can see a shotgun. There's also something wrapped in a gray blanket. >> What is this? Yeah. >> Is it a amp It looks like a kid leg. >> There's something in this blanket. Watch out, there's a shotgun there. >> There's a shotgun there, pointed that way. >> Well, there's There's weight to this blanket. Oh. All right, let's >> All right, so you might have already heard the description, but again, if you can't handle a topic like this, this is the time to exit. They have just discovered a child in the trunk. And the state of the child is what I put in the title. So, if you cannot handle topics like that, trigger warning, trigger warning, I put it everywhere I could. You might want to exit out. Um they are in Minnesota, Jacqueline. >> Cover it. Go grab her. Yeah. >> Yeah, we're going to get her right now. >> Baby you can't know. >> I know. Just cover her back up. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] she laying in the middle of the road. >> Pull that though, so it doesn't rain. >> Okay, so we get there, she ran in her apartment with a shotgun in the trunk. >> We're going to have to go in and get her. We got a body. >> Yeah. >> So, we're going in. >> This horrific discovery is just the beginning, as more disturbing revelations lie ahead. Before they leave, the two responding officers take a moment to convene. >> I know. The whole time. >> The whole time. >> The whole The whole time I thought that was going the back. >> That's what I I got into it before it >> Oh my god. >> Concentrating their efforts on catching Julissa, the officers head to the apartment where they just dropped her off. They've collected a key from the building manager and approach Julissa's apartment. >> I definitely watched this video in the background. Let me tell you what. Now you want to have shields when y'all didn't even put her in handcuffs when you saw everything before you saw the body and it was a lot to see. Now we got shields? You saw there was a weapon possibly IN THE CAR BECAUSE THERE WAS a whole shotgun shell in the back seat. >> POLICE, COME TO THE DOOR. POLICE, COME TO THE DOOR. OPEN THE DOOR, WE'LL KICK IT DOWN. OPEN THE DOOR. KICK IT. >> POLICE, COME TO >> CHECK THAT RIGHT THERE. CHECK IT. >> I GOT THE DOOR RIGHT HERE. >> POLICE. >> CHECK THAT ONE. >> Police department. >> Watch that one. I'll cover this one. >> [laughter] >> Yes. >> OPEN THE DOOR. >> GET OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP AND LAY ON YOUR STOMACH. >> [laughter] >> POLICE, LAY ON YOUR STOMACH. >> [snorts] >> IT'S RIGHT HERE. >> LET'S LET'S [laughter] BREACH IT CUZ I CAN hear the shower. >> Yep, go ahead. >> POLICE DEPARTMENT, LAY ON YOUR STOMACH. >> I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW how much I am controlling my mouth right now because I have so many sarcastic things to say but I'm trying to focus on the victim that's coming up in this that I'm just trying not to go there but I have so many sarcastic things to say. Just know it is a It's a struggle right now for me. I'm I'm trying to stay focused on I'm I'm going to stay focused on the victim, but I did not realize all of this failure THAT HAPPENED BEFOREHAND. >> WHAT DO WE GOT? LET'S JUST WAIT. POLICE, show your hands. >> [laughter] >> Though they find a washing machine running, there's no sign of Julissa. >> You two want to go look around the building and see if you can find her? >> Yeah, she's got to be around here somewhere. >> At 8:45 a.m., 20 minutes after she returned home and just 5 minutes before police arrived, Julissa is caught on surveillance footage at the back of the apartment building. And she isn't alone. Leaving right behind her is 27-year-old Rob, the man she told police was her boyfriend. Utilizing the building security footage, they quickly spot her and realize she's already gone. >> We have eyes. >> Oh my god. >> Target individual leaving with a male with a large backpack. >> What do you got? Where do you got the female, Steve? >> Uh O2's got him. >> Don't move. DON'T MOVE. >> DON'T EVEN TOUCH YOUR PHONE. Don't even touch your phone. >> Take his bag off of him. >> Put your hands behind your back. >> Put your hands behind your back. >> [laughter] >> Am I doing anything? I'm not doing anything. >> You're being detained right now. >> For what? For what? >> I'm not going to engage in what you want to engage in. >> What are you talking about? >> What are you doing? This is This is a legal search. >> It's not illegal. It's not It's all It's all legal. It's all legal. You I ain't doing anything. I was walking. That's all I was doing. What are you talking about? >> What am I under arrest >> Okay, come on. Let's see. >> Um, where did my boyfriend go? >> [laughter] >> Is he in that one? >> Back. Let's go to my way. Let's go to my way, ma'am. Yeah, they are talking to him. >> Yeah. >> What did you learn? >> Um, I learned that he is not He is not in the car. >> He is not what? >> I I learned that he is not in the car. >> Okay. >> Where you going to You all find me. What the [ __ ] is this? >> We are going to go around this way. >> What is this? For real. Wow, man. You guys are dumb. >> Was there something I'm just not saying. What was it worth arresting us? I don't know what was in the car. Was it something bad? I mean, obviously if we are getting >> It's so crazy how she's too drunk to realize she's driving without a front left tire, but she's sober enough to realize I need to run cuz I'm about to be in trouble cuz they are going to find out what's in the trunk. It It always amazes me the mental state that people can be in under the influence or when they decide oh, it's time to straighten up now. >> Arresting her is bad or what was it? >> Julie and Rob are then transported to the Orono Police Department. >> I think there's something in the trunk. >> Walking out of the building. Walking out of the >> Once settled into rooms, they were informed about why exactly they had been detained. >> Julie, sir. >> Hello. >> Hi, how are you? >> Good. How are you doing? >> All right. I'm Remember me? I'm Investigator Kirchner. We had talked down there. >> Yeah, hi. >> So, right now, I'm I'm here to inform you that you are under arrest. >> For what? >> You're under arrest for suspicion of homicide right now. >> For what? >> Yep, for suspicion of homicide. >> Homicide of who? >> Well, that's what we're we're going to work on that to figure that out, okay? Robert? >> Yeah, what's up, man? >> I'm Investigator Kyle Kirsner. I'm here with the Aurora Police Department, okay? >> Yeah, what's up? >> So, right right now Yeah, so so right now you are under arrest. >> For what? >> Okay? As of right now, we're conducting a homicide investigation. >> Yep. So, right now you're considered a suspect in a homicide investigation. So, it's it's suspicion. >> Later that same day, Julissa brought into an interrogation room to speak with investigators, where a shocking story will soon unravel. She's been read her Miranda rights and agrees to speak. >> So, right now the investigation that we're conducting involves the vehicle that you were stopped in this morning. >> Okay. >> Okay. What do you think was found in the trunk of that vehicle? >> I'm not sure. What was in there? >> I think you know. >> I don't. Well, can you tell me what it was? Then I maybe I'll know why I'm here. >> There's a dead body in the trunk of that car. A dead juvenile. >> Really? Who was it? >> That's what I can't answer right now. That's why I'm here talking to you today. The reason why we don't know who it was is because the head was missing. >> What? In my car? >> Police reports reveal that inside the trunk, officers discovered a small body, likely a juvenile, 6 to 8 years old, with a wound on the arm. It appeared the body was missing parts of the head and was possibly dismembered and mangled in other ways. >> Um we have to forensically identify the body because the the face is gone. He's missing his face. This little boy. A t-shirt on, little pair of shorts. Just missing a face. Do you have any kids? >> I have a son. >> You have a son? How old is your son? >> Um, six. >> Six years old? >> Yeah. >> What's your son's name? >> Eli. >> The police are already aware of Julissa's son, Eli, who she shares with her ex, Tory. Eli had been removed from her home by Child Protective Services on three occasions. In an >> This is where I knew I had to pause. I'm making my notes, too, in case someone comes in late later and they ask. Usually people ask the age, um, the name of who they're talking about, the relation to the suspect and the victim. So, I'm just making sure I take my notes. But, this is where I wanted to stop. This is where the system is failing or has failed this little boy and his dad. Cuz the dad was trying to get custody. From what I understand, from my memory, he was trying to get custody. The system failed three three times she's reported with a with a father or let's let's just say a parent that wants to actually parent without having that child come to harm. And this is why the more and more I hear about it, the more and more I'm like, I don't like family court. Because I I'm I need some more common sense to honestly kick in on some of this stuff. And they should discuss more details about her history with her son, but family court's pissing me off, like, a lot. Every time I I watch one of these now, I'm like, OH, YEAH, I HATE I hate family court. I do. >> In a new exclusive interview, Josie, Tory's wife, explains the circumstances of why Eli was first removed from Julissa's care. >> Uh, Eli was removed from her home because she was at a a >> Hold on, this is a key person that does a lot that gives a lot of information and I already missed her name, so I'm that's why I'm going back just a little bit. >> Josie, Tori's wife, explains the circumstances of why Eli was first removed from Julissa's care. >> Uh Eli was removed from her home because she was at a a doctor's appointment and she had told the physician that she had been hearing things and that she had been having suicidal thoughts. >> Because of this, Tori >> All right, let's stop on this. She told the physician she was hearing things and having suicidal thoughts. Remember when and she she Okay, remember when the cops when they first said, "Do you have any mental problems?" She said, "Oh, no. The psychiatrist signed me off and I'm good. I you know, cuz he was talking about custody and stuff like that." Obviously, obviously that was a lie, but for her to add all that extra stuff, I knew she was lying before I would even hear what they were going to say her problem was cuz it's just the way she phrased it in the beginning cuz usually if you don't it's just like, "No." But you don't start saying, "I even went to a psychiatrist and they said I was fine and that's why I have my son" or whatever she said. Like, "All right." >> He had received an email of Eli's removal. He'd previously not been in contact with Eli because Julissa had made multiple accusations against him, which will come up later in her interview. Now, however, he was being informed about his son's life. Ultimately, Eli was returned to Julissa, but a few weeks later he was once again removed after a social worker determined that the house was not livable. He was returned to Julissa a week later. >> If Tori Tori is Eli's dad. If Tori and Josie, who this is Josie cuz I wrote my note down. Josie is Tori's wife. If Tori and Josie have an actual permanent home, why is Eli not even temporarily in a home until they finish a full investigation? If the mother is saying she's having suicidal thoughts, that does not mean she's going to hurt her child, but that does mean she may neglect her child. So, that is concerning no matter what. The child could be left with a a dead adult and not understanding how to get into contact with emergency services. The child could hurt themselves. So, either way, even if it's not we're going down the road of oh, predicting that she would have harmed her child, it's still like a second-hand harm that could happen. Where is the real investigation? And then a few weeks later, cuz this is number two if I'm going in order what the narrator saying, cuz he said three times she Eli was taken from the home. This or she had violations with child protective services. So, number two is the home was filthy and unlivable for Eli just a few weeks after she said I'm having suicidal thoughts, which could be. And she honestly could have like depression and all those other stuff. I'm not taking away from what her brain has. And that's why I'm saying a lot of people also have failed. The system definitely failed Eli on this one because there actually were warning signs and sometimes there are not public warning signs, but this one had the warning signs. >> Fall of 20 20, she calls the police because Eli locked her out of the house. They finally get into the house. Eli is screaming at the top of his lungs. He's doesn't have any clothes on. There's eggs smeared all over the house. The upstairs bathroom is flooded. They couldn't even find clothes for him to wear and he had huge gash on his arm. >> This time when Eli was removed, he was placed into foster care. In an EWO exclusive interview, Nakita, Eli's foster mother, gives insight into Eli's personality. >> Hold on. I'm okay. That was a lot to digest on that last one. Okay, so one of my questions was answered. She was making accusations against Tory, who is Eli's dad. So, the family court The family court should have just had Eli somewhere else with another relative then because if you're investigating toward and make sure he didn't harm the child and see if she's just making false accusations. But then you also have her who is she's also not fit. So she shouldn't have she should I can't even get it out. Eli should not have been in the home with her. Close relatives first. Um foster care last resort. I don't necessarily like the option of foster care, but if it if it keeps the child alive, you at least know there's evidence that it's more dangerous for them to be with the parent. I'd rather have foster care putting that kid back in harm's way with the parent. >> He was uh isolated I would want to say. You know, they they didn't have much interaction with other people. So when he came with us, you know, it was just he wanted the attention from everybody. Yeah, he was a very big social bug. Um he made friends so easily. He was such a happy little boy. He was always trying to you know, like figure out how to do things, how things work and everything and yeah, he was just he probably the best kid in this world. >> [laughter] >> When you >> You know, cuz he was 5 years old when he came to us and he was not potty trained. Um so we had you know, just working on the potty training and everything. He you know, showed a lot of signs of distress because he would always chew on his shirts and it was bad to wear like you know, a brand new shirt would only last like maybe about a week or so because he would chew it so bad that it was so stretched out. >> In her interview, Josie explains that Eli also had some medical concerns. >> Eli was born with a rare genetic disorder called Townes-Brocks syndrome. He had kidney disease which just needed to be monitored every year. But the biggest thing that you would notice is he wore hearing aids. >> [music] >> Though Eli wasn't placed with them, Tory and Josie had unsupervised and weekend visits with him. >> The only time I really saw Eli like get sick >> If Tory, the dad of Eli, and Josie, his wife, can have unsupervised visits, why couldn't Eli be placed in the home with Tory? Cuz unsupervised means you trust him. So the accusations have either been unfounded at this point or something. Why is Eli not able to be in full-time custody with his dad? I told y'all I I'm I'm not going to say I hate all family court, but the ones that make it to me like this, I hate them. I hate them. >> God. Is when he had to come back to my house because like he just wanted to be with Tory still. >> Jalissa was also allowed to have overnight and weekend visits with Eli. It's then that Nikita noticed a change in Eli's behavior. >> He would wake up in the middle of the night with night terrors and screaming saying the bad guy's coming to get me. >> During this time we also continued to fight to get him out of foster care and into our home. Cuz before every hearing, we would get a report and they would read every time the following, that she was not um meeting her parenting education, she was not meeting with her therapist, she >> A mother that has suicidal thoughts is being getting reported on that she's not meeting with her therapist. Failure after failure after failure. And then his Eli's uh personality like the foster mother said when she first got him, you could see him, he's playing with the dog, he's happy, you can tell he needs a lot of care because he's seeking a lot of attention, you know, but he's she said he made friends easily, but when the when the when they came to the house to to get him, I think it was on the second visit from the mom's home, you got the bathtub or for bathroom flooding upstairs, he's screaming out of his mind. He done locked his mom out the house from what I understand. What What What about this seems safe to keep sending this child back? I I don't understand. And this is being documented by government services. Like it's not an opinion. It's not Oh, this is a biased one-sided thing because the the dad just hates the mom and so he's making up stuff or This is documented issues, strong traumatic issues. >> She's causing issues at the drug testing facility to the point where they would no longer test her. She had a ongoing criminal case for stealing pharmaceuticals from clinic. None of these seem to be concerning to anyone. >> [clears throat] >> Tory and Josie eventually filed for full custody of Eli. However, after living with Nikita for 11 months, Eli was eventually returned to Julissa. >> So, we were told that they did that to see if she would mess up. >> My personal opinion >> Everybody needs to be fired. Everybody down the list except for this dad and his wife and this foster mother. So far, everybody else needs to be fired. What What do you mean to test to see if She's already not attending parenting classes or therapy, which is very important. She's stealing pharmaceuticals, so stealing prescriptions, probably narcotic type things. She's She's supposed to be in AA. We know she's not going to AA. There's no way. She's supposed to be in AA. You have a child waking up with nightmares after he visits her. He's uh and I didn't even catch this, but y'all put it in the chat that he wasn't potty trained at five. He's 5 years old, not potty trained. He has a lot of needs. He He He requires hearing aids. I don't know what Townes-Brocks syndrome is, and I don't know if the hearing is a effect of that, but he's got his kidney He has kidney disease. He has to be treated well just so he can at least make it health-wise. And you're putting him back in there to test to see if she's going to mess up. Fired minimum, criminal actions maximum because that's that's real negligent, real negligent. >> The end is they gave Eli back because they were sick of dealing with her. >> According to police documents, on January 20th, 2022, Julissa was given placement of Eli by Dakota County CPS. On May 9th, 2022, Julissa was granted full custody of Eli. This would >> [sighs and gasps] >> I know y'all some of y'all, if you're new to me, maybe wondering how do I look surprised when I've already watched it. I play a lot in the background. I multitask, so these are the things I like when I watch back with y'all and then I end up catching other things. Full custody she should have had she should have had teleconference visits. Supervised teleconference Zoom meeting visits at best. They put this child back with her as in full custody, but you have a father with a permanent home, steady, not stealing drugs from a pharmacy, not having suicidal thoughts, but put put the child full-time custody with them. Okay. All right. >> It was just 11 days before her arrest. >> So, tell me, how are you guys protecting Eli by giving him back? >> Happy birthday to you. >> They basically were using him as a pawn to see if she's going to mess up. And to use a 6-year-old in that manner is in my mind criminal. >> Was Eli with you? Where was Eli today cuz I mean, you know, we were at your apartment earlier. >> He's with my boyfriend. >> Who's your boyfriend? >> Um Rob. >> Rob? How long have you been dating Rob? >> Um a few months. >> Rob, however, has a very different story to tell and he shares it from Hempstead County Jail 2 days after his initial arrest. This was his second interview. >> Just her living with him alone is a no-go for me. I am I'm with it being a default almost unless that unless they had already been in a long-term relationship like I'm not thinking about this couple. This should be a no-go no matter what. But I'm thinking about parents that are sharing custody. I think it should be a default clause that there will be no overnight guests. Period. Cuz those cuz if you put romantic guests, they'll be like, "No, this is just a friend." Not a friend. No. No overnight adult guests, period. Unless you have already been in a long-term relationship. I don't know what time frame would make it long-term, but no no no no. This is this is not This is Look at look It's a co drug habit boyfriend at at the least. We don't know if he was also terrorizing the little boy, also. I I Mhm. No. Again, just unstable, dangerous. I Someone would have to explain to me I just want to I just I want to know what the if there was a guardian ad litem, which there should have been. What did they have to say about this? How were they reporting this? What did they recommend? Did the court go against their recommendation? Um This is this is too much. >> Last time that you said you have a a disability, FASD, >> [clears throat] >> do you know if that feel autism spectrum disorder? It is. Okay. How did you meet Julissa? >> We drove cars together. And I just met her the last couple weeks. Trying all the drugs and [ __ ] >> Why? >> I don't know if she lied or not. >> In fact, Rob claims that not only are they not dating, but he's only been hanging out with Julissa at her apartment for just under a week before they were arrested. Surveillance footage from Julissa's building confirms that he'd been staying with her for the past few days. The footage also captures a few moments on the morning of the 19th, just one day before their arrest. 6-year-old Eli, wearing a yellow shirt and blue shorts, can be seen playing in the background. >> Where's >> That That's not playing. He's standing there like he's been forgotten again, which is why he was so attention hungry when he stayed at his foster parents' home. That's not playing in the background. That's I forgot I had a child right there. And I turn back around and see my child outside. He's not playing right here. >> wearing a yellow shirt and blue shorts, can be seen playing in the background. >> Where's Eli with Robin? >> Um I'm guessing he's in the living room playing with his >> Yet in his first audio interview, Rob has a very different account of the evening of the 19th. >> She yelled at Eli down there in her living room, arguing back and forth. And then I just kind of fell asleep. >> What were they arguing about? Remember? >> Bedtime. And she was yelling at him. Um he kind of like running around. He >> Would you say that it seemed just normal parent-child stuff, or did it seem like it was more that she would get more upset than she should have? >> She get more upset? >> You thought she would she's a little more angry than she probably should be. >> She has a temper? >> Yeah. >> Rob says he fell asleep, and the next morning there was no sign of Eli when Julissa returned to the apartment after the police took possession of her vehicle. >> When you asked where Eli was, what did she say? >> He's eating. >> She's ignored the question? >> He ignored He just kind of went on about it. >> This isn't the only chilling story Rob will share. >> Is there any chance that the >> [clears throat] >> body in your car is Eli? >> I highly doubt that. Okay, well can I tell you guys something off the record then? I'm kind of angry right now because my ex involved me and the kids. It's pretty horrible stuff. And um Um I have like multiple restraining orders against him. >> Police records reveal there is a long history of Alyssa making similar reports. >> I'm going to go back to see if I Okay, I want to see the text of this document. But also, I want to know when it comes to family court because family court is still civil. Is the burden of proof slightly stronger than like filing a civil lawsuit because civil lawsuit is a preponderance of the evidence instead of beyond reasonable doubt? So family court when when when you're getting all of this and you're getting the reports that she's missing therapy and all this other stuff, what is enough for you to say the child shouldn't be with her? Like where are your hands tied by statute or are you just stupid? Because I'm feeling like you're just stupid. Everybody that allowed for that child to go back and and minimize something is stupid to me. I I just feel like there was more power in the hands of the judge at minimum. I've seen a judge and I didn't like that she did this either. I don't know what it was, but the kids didn't want to be with the father. All 100% of the kids. It was three to four of them. Didn't want to be with the father ranging from different ages of pre mature enough to know their own mind to the little one. And the judge had the kids held in contempt and I think she had like the teenagers arrested for being in contempt of court cuz they refused to visit their dad. That judge should be fired and in jail because you're not asking the right questions on why they want to they don't want to be with their dad that much. And and say the mom was brainwashing in the kids because we kind of saw that with uh the woman that is um Tigger's wife that's that he's going through that assault stuff right now. Um Then just only have supervised to get to the bottom of it to us investigated but and then also give the kids therapy to where is this hesitation coming from so you can see if it's more than being brainwashed and the dad actually did something to them cuz I'll leave space for that. But what I don't like is you have these minors arrested because whoever's been messing with their brain on either way they didn't want to do this so you're you're making them a criminal of contempt in court. That's stupid. That's when people should not have their credentials anymore. It should be taken away because that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. That means they need mental health care for any reason they don't want to see their dad. Something bad is happening. Either they're being manipulated by the mom or the dad harmed them in some way and they're like, "No, I don't want to be with my dad." But that's how you get to the bottom of it not just "Oh, you kids are ungrateful. Go to jail." No. >> Parents were real. >> I want to see this document. Sorry. Let me see. >> [sighs and gasps] >> I'm going to I'm trying to get to the summary of it. Claims of domestic violence. No domestic violence charges were filed. Reference multiple police reports during that time period. She She did receive apparently orders of protection. She did that. So that's what she's claiming on why Eli should not have been with Tory. Yeah, they need to they need to do better. This is This is ridiculous. >> Yo, there is a long history of Julissa making similar reports. >> She had history while they were dating while they were together of false accusations of domestic violence with Tory. I personally requested a copy of that order of protection from the police department. Got a copy of it just to find out that when they came to do a second interview on her, she admits in her own words that she often times due to her mental health accuses Tory of things that he has never done. >> In her interview, Julissa now makes a disturbing allegation. >> I was assaulted last night. >> How did he assault you? >> He pushed me up against the car and kind of like punched at me. >> Were you badly hurt? >> I was. I mean, yeah. I mean, he didn't hurt me that bad. >> So, it was a sexual assault? >> Yeah. >> How come you didn't >> I left there for a reason. >> How come you didn't tell me that this morning? >> Earlier that morning, the officers had asked Julissa about this very subject. >> Is any of this that's going on here related to domestic violence? >> Um maybe those kids could have been. >> So, I want you I want you to be honest with me. Okay? Shoot me straight. Is any of this related to domestic violence? >> Um no, I don't think so. >> He told me there was a gun to my head. >> There's a gun now? >> The topic of guns is also raised in Rob's interview. What he shares paints a harrowing picture. He explains that on Tuesday the 17th, Julissa had him drive her to a gun store where she purch- >> I'll rewind cuz I I totally cut him off, but Rob looked like a drug down habit to me. >> is also raised in Rob's interview. What he shares paints a harrowing picture. He explains that on Tuesday the 17th, Julissa had him drive her to a gun store where she purchased a shotgun. >> He said she wanted to buy something to use to shoot me and protect her from rapes. >> They then took it to a gun range. >> We just got to I'm going to take you guys out. >> The person that sold her the shotgun, in my opinion, should also be looked into. I can You can't tell me they have legitimate business the whole way through because her state of mind and how she is, the fact that she's lying about going to AA, at minimum, she looked like she was under the influence when she bought that shotgun. You can't tell me otherwise. You cannot tell me otherwise that, at minimum, she looked like that. And she was probably slurring, and you don't You don't let this woman buy a shotgun. You don't let her go to the gun No. Who If it was a gun range at the store, shouldn't have done it. If it was a separate gun range, they should have been able to observe she's under the influence. Many, many people are failing this little boy. >> You got to go change. >> She shot at me. >> She shot the gun into the ground? >> I thought she was going to shoot me. >> Why she shooting at the ground? >> I don't know. I thought she was going to shoot me with it. >> What did you say after you did that? >> I was freaking out. >> Did you say anything? >> I didn't flip out on her. I wasn't that that bad. But she got like, "Why'd you do that? You know you can kill somebody." >> And that's after she done some target practice. >> Yeah. I didn't tell she didn't know how to shoot a gun. Tell she can't shoot that shotgun though. >> In his first interview, Rob admitted he believed Julissa bought the gun for more than protection. >> What did she talk about she was going to do? >> Kill her ex-boyfriend. >> She's going to what? >> Kill her ex-boyfriend. >> Kill her ex-boyfriend? >> Yeah. >> On [snorts] the morning of the 19th, the day before her arrest, Julissa visited the All Seasons Sports Store in Delano. Security footage shows her talking to an employee, and he later spoke with investigators. >> I asked her one more time what we could do for her, and she just got frustrated and said she wanted whatever would blow the biggest hole in something. >> This chilling statement >> Come on, man. Are you serious? Is that the person that sold her the gun? Oops. I keep hitting this button. Is that Who's saying this right now? >> That has devastating implications. >> So, what happened to your son? >> Um they took him. >> This isn't the first time Julissa has claimed something similar, as Rob revealed when discussing Julissa's behavior after she returned to her apartment on the morning of the 20th. >> She didn't She's like yelling at me. >> She said, "They took him. They took him. They took him." >> He shouldn't have been missing. What are you talking about? So, you don't know where he >> No, we don't know. >> Right now, so you have no idea where your son is. >> Well, we do. >> Yeah, we do. >> We But she she doesn't, but she wants to alert the authorities. >> Got it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Got it. >> You [clears throat] treat me like a criminal. This isn't just some story I made up last minute. Like this is really happening. >> Julissa, I'm just going to um You're >> Yeah. >> You're here and arrested and um will be booked and charged with >> murder. >> What? >> Um you were the last person to be seen with your son. >> That's not true. I don't know who raped me. >> Yeah. >> Though one interview has ended, the most disturbing aspects of this case are just coming to light. Two days after her initial interview, Julissa once again speaks with investigators. >> Hi, guys. >> Hey, Julissa. >> What did you find out? You guys don't know if I'm going to jail or I'm missing. Where is Because I'm still in here, and I would have assumed that once you guys saw that I was innocent, you would let me out, but I'm still in here. >> You can take your mask off. Sorry to interrupt you. [clears throat] >> Uh there's just a couple things I'm not understanding. Like one, why you guys haven't found the guy who raped me. >> Following her arrest, Julissa was taken to the hospital, and an assault test was conducted. While the results aren't shown, when discussing the time of the alleged assault, she made an interesting claim. >> Can you wake up and talk to me? This is >> I would say like 11:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. Well, yeah, 11:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. >> However, investigators have uncovered surveillance footage from Julissa's apartment building that places her still there at 11:22 p.m. Also seen in the footage is Eli as he's rolled out on a cart by Julissa. Chillingly, there's something wrapped in a gray blanket with him. This blanket and Julissa's use for it came up in Rob's first interview. >> Like it's a a blanket a blanket that she wraps the shotgun in? >> Yeah. >> So, it's a gray blanket? >> Yeah. Okay. Are you saying she was loading the shotgun in out of there all the time? So, you you know when you see it, you know when you see it, you know when you see it. And said Eli couldn't see it? >> Yeah. >> Rob's phone data and the security footage from Julissa's apartment showed that he never left that night. He was eventually released without any charges in relation to this case. The investigator speaking with Julissa now begin laying out crime scene photos from her vehicle. >> And then there's a gray blanket. Looks like some stuff here on the passenger side. >> Mhm. >> She said he had orders of protection. >> Check them. >> She said there was shots fired and there was orders of protection. >> You know, she claimed that Tory was going to get a shotgun and come and kill her and Eli. >> Police documents confirmed that while orders for protection were granted against Julissa's ex, police documents show that no criminal charges were ever filed. >> Once me and Tory started communicating, that's when I realized how much she had lied about him. So, she she was very good at >> This woman let's just say she lied constantly because this woman is not good at lies in my opinion. I I don't think she's good at it, but I think she throws out a lot of lies. But I know what she's saying. I get it. Maybe she was fooled. And I know I'm looking at it hindsight's 20/20, but she just If you didn't tell me nothing about her, I'm like, this child's not safe cuz she's under the influence. If I had nothing else to talk about, I would know this woman is constantly under the influence. >> I have a lie, yes. About her little boyfriend? >> Yeah. >> That's Eli. Eli? >> He's a good person. >> [snorts] >> You confirmed that? >> [gasps] >> Eli in the trunk of your car? >> He's [clears throat] a good person. You confirmed that? Are you sure? Are you sure? >> Though they suspected it all along, the investigators have confirmed that the body in Julissa's trunk was her 6-year-old son, Eli Hart. Hauntingly, this means that the security footage from the night of the 19th captures some of the last moments of Eli's life. In her interview, Josie recalls the last time she and Tory saw Eli. >> And we always did this thing called a triple hug. And who loves you most? And we always give him a big hug and we'd say, "Who loves you most?" And he would always say, "You both do." Did you find the people who did this? Was there DNA on me? His car, no, but I know that there's other ways of finding out. >> What are you talking about, your dead son? >> And I'm here telling you who did it. But I didn't know he was dead. You're telling me my baby boy is dead? >> DNA would play an important role in this case, but likely not in the way Julissa anticipated. After her arrest, investigators had noticed a blood-like substance in and hair, and swabs were taken. It was tested and found to be a match to the DNA profile obtained from Eli. >> This dumpsters were recovered. A lot of his a lot of his head brain tissue. This is the same dumpster that we have witnesses that saw this car with no fiber and a broken out window describing you dumping all this stuff in. >> Immediately following the discovery of Eli's body in Julissa's trunk, a few of the officers were approached by a witness who saw something concerning before she was pulled over. >> So, what was she dumping? >> I don't know. I don't know. I drove in. She was next to the dumpster. She was You know that dumpster, you know, the Shell station up there? >> Following this tip, investigators checked the dumpster at the gas station. >> My question is this, where the [ __ ] was she going? >> Yeah. I like what are you going to do with it? >> What in the world? >> Documents indicate that they found a large amount of blood on the ground mixed with evidence consistent with a blood-like substance, suspected brain matter, skull fragments, and bodily tissue. Inside the dumpster were two large cardboard boxes with body tissue and brain matter on top. There was also a backpack with suspected skull fragments nearby, brain matter, pieces of skull, and blood on the bottom. Inside the backpack, investigators found schoolwork with the name Eli on it. >> As a result >> That's just like that poor little girl. Uh remember that military member, that woman? Her daughter went missing, but pretty I don't know if they ever found her daughter. They just found some of her daughter's things, but I don't know if they ever found her daughter's body. But, that's what it was. She had stopped sending the little girl to school. The dad lived in a different state. Uh she had lied to her mom saying, "Yeah, I you know." Or no, she had lied to the cops saying her her daughter had been with her mom over the summer and all this other stuff. And when the cops found a big bag of trash, it had all of the little girl's like little school work stuff and things in there. Um, that's what that reminded me of when they found Eli's uh drawings or whatever in there. But, uh Kim said, "Do we believe she doesn't realize what she did?" I definitely believe she realizes exactly what she did. Um, we'll see her what the jury's decision was as well before this video ends. That's why I really like this channel, too, because we'll get all the way to the as long as it's already gone to trial, we'll get the whole thing from them. So, I really like this channel. But, um also the fact that his head was no longer attached to his body, she was trying not to let him be identified. She knew exactly what she was doing. This was not No. No, I I for me, she knew exactly what she was doing. >> If I can say these details are, they are just the tip of the iceberg. Other witnesses who saw Julissa that morning described her strange behavior to investigators. >> He kind of looked at us and we went, "Whoa." She's not like There was just like this weird vacant look on her face. >> Someone walked to the walking toward the cars. He was coming out of the garbage can area. Um, and then she had something and she walked over to like the woods like she walked wide of the car towards like the woods area. >> With this in mind, investigators realized Julissa hadn't dumped evidence just at the gas station, but at several other locations as well. At Surfside Park in Mound, they found towels with blood, hair, and yellow kitchen cleaning gloves that were turned inside out, as well as bone and tissue fragments, and a suspected shotgun wad in a grassy area on the north side of a driveway. In a dumpster, they also found a child's car seat. Horrifically, it was covered in suspected blood, brain matter, hair, and tissue. Along with this, the GPS data from Julissa's phone placed her device in the proximity of three known crime scenes. As well, surveillance video from the Mound Skate Park at 6:58 a.m. showed Julissa driving in before leaving again. As this was just 15 minutes before the police pulled her over, there's a chilling implication about what may have been dumped there if someone else had not already been at the park. >> Where's your dad? >> Investigate Eli's death for him. We're here to get answers for him. >> [clears throat] >> He is the most important >> He was an important person in the world. >> Cuz we think he deserves that. >> He deserves everything. He's not actually He's >> [laughter] >> Like I don't even know. >> You know he is. >> How do YOU KNOW? YOU YOU'RE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS. HOW do you know that I know? >> Police documents state that in the months leading up to Eli's death, Julissa researched life insurance, including the search "I'm looking for the highest possible life insurance for me and a rider for my child." She received a text message on April 13th, a little over a month before Eli's death, indicating that she had applied for $500,000 in life insurance coverage. 8 days later, Julissa passed her concealed carry course. This isn't all that her search history would reveal. Tragically, Nakita had contacted CPS hundreds of times about Eli, and she wasn't the only one. >> From what I've heard, um somebody in the apartment complex that she lived in, as well as teachers, had called CPS to notify them of different situations. The complex, um resident or manager, somebody, had called them because Eli was out on the balcony in the middle of the night just screaming. >> Police records state that Julissa's search history also included things like, "How to keep child away from dad and CPS? How much blood can a 6-year-old lose? Most powerful knockout drug? How much whiskey to give a baby? Payment from life insurance if child dies? Most expensive life insurance for child? Qualifying accidental deaths? Does life insurance cover drowning? And how to commit crime and blame child?" >> I want you to know that this baby boy is the most important person in the world to me. I would never hurt him. I would never do anything to him. I protect him. >> In a later recorded jail call, Julissa spoke to her father and police documents state that he told her, quote, "I warned you. I begged you many times for this not to happen. I knew you couldn't be a good mom." Her father also spoke to police and official records state that he told investigators he has been terrified of something happening and that he was so happy when she lost custody of Eli. He also stated that any >> Do you know how bad it has to be for her dad to be glad she lost custody of his grandson? More people need to be in jail. More people. There needs to be some criminal charges against some more people cuz there's no way >> he thinks she tells you is a lie and he thinks she did this to her, Tory. She did not want him to have Eli. In her interview, Josie recalls the moment they found out about Eli's death. >> Eli's dead. He's been murdered. Tory is like in a corner with these primal sobs. He is my world. He is so kind. He deserves really good things. He deserves that person. He doesn't deserve bad things. He deserves people to give him love and snuggles and the to protect him. He doesn't deserve this. >> That I learned that he was shot nine times with a shotgun. >> That's what I wanted to make sure y'all saw because a couple people said did she shoot him in the head? Obviously the answer was yes, but she shot him nine times with a shotgun. That's beyond when he's lost lost his life at that point. But I just wanted to make sure that that it was known that she did that nine times. >> At point-blank while strapped into his car seat on the back seat of his mom's car. >> Julissa Thaler was charged with murder in the first degree premeditated and murder in the second degree with intent not premeditated. She initially played not guilty to both charges. Following Eli's death, Josie and Tory filed a lawsuit against Dakota County and the social workers involved in Eli's case. >> When we filed that lawsuit against all of those people for wrongful death, negligence, Survivors Act, and a 1983 Act, we were the first person people to ever do that. They didn't know what to do. They said to the federal court. >> According to news sources, Tory and Josie accepted a $2.25 million settlement. Julissa Thaler >> Yeah, cuz they know they owed them even much more than that and again criminal charges, too. >> Thaler was eventually convicted for both premeditated murder and intentional murder and sentenced to life without parole. During her sentencing, she told the judge, "You all are your garbage." Documents reveal that she later wrote a letter to the judge saying, "I'm writing to apologize for my behavior during my trial. What I said to you wasn't okay. I was in a psychosis and deeply detached from reality. I was not sane and would have never yelled at you if I was sane. Eli's family continues to celebrate his life in a multitude of ways, including the creation of the Eli Hart Foundation and the Eli Hart Memorial Playground. >> Our initial goal was to build a playground in honor of Eli. Um a place where children could be happy and families can make memories. We made so many memories at playgrounds and memories are all that we have now. You know, photos and memories. And people take those for granted, but this playground is spectacular. I am fighting with legislation to help change laws because some changes need to happen. >> I am thankful for people that even after they've been traumatized the most, they still stay in the fight. I guess that also motivates you to stay in the fight, too. But her fight is going to help other kids. This story being big will help other kids. CPS, I have to imagine between 2022 to now, for Minnesota, that CPS I would have to imagine there's been internal investigations, other things going on, and they cleaned house. Because first of all, you cost the city a minimum $2.5 million. Then you cost the elected officials and all that other stuff. So I hope even if it's just because um the city, for a selfish reason, lost out on money and uh you know, all that stuff. I just hope they cleaned house. The cops, clean house on that, too. Because I cuz I'm telling you, if you looked at their records, when they do their reports, get their case numbers, they have done less to claim probable cause to search someone's car. But you given you given joyrides back to the apartment, but you saying you You matter in the seat, you see blood on the trunk, you got a missing tire, missing tire is not the worst. That's DUI type stuff, but you got a missing tire, window blown out, bullet hole in the in the seat, fresh blood, blood dripping onto the ground currently as you're looking at the car. And you never think you have probable cause? Internal investigations for all of them. They gave the child back to them. Yeah. What cuz they were tired of her. I didn't hear the tired of her part, but I definitely caught them continuing to give the child back to the mother. Premeditated murder by an evil mother, but the system itself is culpable. It is. The system The system really The system was bad on this one. Yeah, I think he was too heartbroken, Jack. I was thinking that too when when his wife kept talking, but we never saw him. I said he's probably There's no way he's going to make it through this interview. He can't do it. I just can't Ah. I feel bad for the safety of all those people that deprived him of his child too because I don't know if he's going to have a breaking point. How much 2.5 million dollars is what they settled for. But all right, y'all. Watch Go unwind puppies and kittens if you have time. I don't have time, but I want to watch it. House of the Dragons. Go do something now to get your mind back together after seeing something like this. I will see y'all again for sure on Saturday morning if I don't see you sooner. I'm hoping to be able to update members. I'll update y'all first on hopefully I I will have submitted my my essay by tomorrow if I don't have any more technical difficulties. So, I'll try to update y'all on that. Yep. I see why you asked that question so many times, Ace Moonshot. Yep. Yep. I had to I had to see with my own eyes on some of it. I was oh my god, I can't believe it. Please watch the beginning if you came in later and all right, I'll catch y'all soon. All right, bye. >> [music] [music] >> Before you press play, look close. This won't can cut deep. Real people, real pain, >> [music] >> more than you want to see. 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