[Applause] talk to him I was like when she threw it out all like Jesus don't break him like I was watching really closely I was like is he gonna butterfingers it thanks man [Music] I just laid okay okay so former lover she was pretty distraught leave it well we did up meeting to go our separate ways actually turn-ins you know she blocked me from being able to contact her she unblocked me later sometime or something said again like you don't want to talk to me that's that's fine okay at this point basically refused to to be directly shipping it okay this is okay what well let's start with what's your name do you have a middle name birthday and do you have San Francisco addresses where do you live yeah and a good phone number for you and what is this person's name who has the viola Sabrina do you know her middle name do you know her birthday how old is she approximately what'd she look like put on the hair or curly hair then thin medium heavy do you know her address or phone number okay do you have a phone number for her okay so how long were you and Sabrina in a relationship when to the end when did it when did you leave the instrument with her okay yeah yeah so kind of at the beginning of the relationship then maybe I would say the Surrey house okay relationship okay we'll just say 2+2 have it I'm sorry okay up but do you have any emails or Facebook or anything from her where she acknowledges that it's yours yes okay cuz the sticky part we're gonna get into here is you're saying you let her watch it we go knock on her door no no he gave it to me right and we can't prove either one so what we need is we need is documentation how much is the instrument worth I okay the e value of the instrument would definitely appreciate okay okay sure was there like the name on the deal like who made it [Applause] okay now we're with the name and the number be okay okay there's a bow [Applause] did you have any luck finding nothing directly so what let us hope just find her so about two months ago you guys decided to stop seeing each other how soon after that did you reach out to her and say you were [Applause] we probably had a tough time of actually trying to try it working out long distance didn't always do didn't always get there sometimes we'd end up I I was here last week I've run a dance fest and this is after I'm already spent some relatively sleepless nights this is a monetary value sure sure but I had already spent sleepless nights and she appears that she the middle of this dance no the dance floor I decided to just so he's asked her face to face since she's decided to show up to my event she knows that I say hey you're gonna stay here yes end up running off to brought up and I just have visions my instrument smashed to pieces my dad's been getting a few minutes later somebody manages a group of five or six people they're both they're all relatively uninterested markets they get and yeah in front of that for the people she says that she okay did she explain what you meant by feeling comfortable okay is there anything do you have that shows the instrument like a long time ago I mean there's things yeah yeah way before his purchase receipts yeah I mean it might be okay um the thing I'm trying to plan for is we show up there and she's like show up there with other officers and she claims you give to her right is she gonna produce any kind of text or anything where that says anything like that oh come severely she has got a lot of things Rhett's from other people in her okay when you say I mean that that's a whole nother thing I in a mirror to file a police report okay so [Music] yeah sure sure how do you want if we're able to necessitate her you know navigate a return how do you want to do that what's the best way for you if it's if it's stored somewhere safe here yeah just so I don't have like somewhere safe like let's say I go recover it tomorrow morning or detectives recover it it goes to the evidence unit right we don't because we have to maintain chain of custody to protect it yeah so you would have to go all the way this house Stacey Stream which if it happens where are you staying so you need to leave tomorrow you tell me that you know if everything [Applause] let me let me do this is this phone number sixth reason you'll answer that if I call it if I call it almost like to be from a block number let me try to reach out to Sabrina right now if you don't mind you can set up hearing wait if you want you can leave if you want me to your decision okay so I won't try to give her call and talk to her really quickly yeah okay if for whatever reason you flew that's my name this is the case number three eight two said on the back I put my email address if you should find any any screenshots where she explicitly says I'm not giving it back to you you know that way we need to prove knowledge of theft if we want I mean look the most the most copacetic way to handle this is me to call her on the phone and say Sabrina I'm gonna 4dv theft charges felony level theft charges against you if you don't return this I can come pick it up right now that's that would be ideal and then I'll still have to forward a report the detectives will then contact you and decide if they want to you know prosecute and commit that's that's their job my job is look first of all right so that's what I'm gonna try to do I'll be right back and in contact okay so [Applause] how many times does she try to give it back to you in in things like saying like I'm going back to school do you want to be ola did you ever say anything to her along the lines of if it's the only thing that you have to remember our relationship you can hold on to it what what is your reluctance to apologize to her because what she said to me on the phone is he gets it back as soon as he apologizes okay did anyone ever talk to you about that incident and no detectives anything here's the thing and I'm gonna talk to my supervisor to get his two cents the problem is there's no chain of custody on us right you owned it for 22 years 29 years whatever her story is you moved to San Francisco with a girlfriend and pursuing you you left it behind on accident you forgot it sort of so she went and retrieved it for you and held on to it and then what do you mean by intermediate what so she picked up from the roommate yeah so you gave someone permission to pick it up other than a person you presumably would know okay right right so why not let that person keep it instead of her you did but but do you see like what what we're getting at is I'll explain this so let's say two people live together and one person gets a no-contact order against the other one we make that person leave the house for two weeks that person goes in the house and says I need some things I want to take with me including these three things and then the person that lives in the house cuz they can't take those and the default is we leave them behind because we don't mediate civil disputes reality is you guys are in the middle of a civil dispute I'll document what you've told me I'm gonna go I'm gonna go clarify with my supervisor but in talking to both of you for quite a while you guys are in the middle of a civil dispute okay she didn't steal it because you gave it to her and you let her keep it for a year and a half right no no hold on don't so it's not theft okay you know she she said she's under the impression that you wanted her have it because she offered a couple times to give it back and you said you don't you don't have to give it back but just see what I'm saying this is you saying one thing her saying another thing and I can't prove anything right what doesn't mean we're not gonna write a report right polite you said I'm gonna talk to my supervisor and just make sure he's on board with that but I think that's the most likely thing is you're gonna have to find a way between you and her to have some kind of safe meeting where you can facilitate this exchange that's that that's gonna that's what's gonna happen the police are gonna go take a firmer the only thing I have to question is right the RC values okay at this point and I have to just ask your opinion this is not something especially considering like I said well we're we don't we don't enforce our CW's in Seattle we've enforced SMCC on municipal code like I said it's dicey because she's implying that it that you told her basically to keep it right so so in the court of law it's beyond a reasonable doubt that's 99 percent okay civil court is like two scales the balance and balance and balance on the scale it's closer to the bottom is the one that wins that's all it's not how the criminal justice system works what you're telling me does not give me it barely gives me I couldn't detain her if I saw her well if I start walking down the street with the viola I could go hey Sabrina come here you have to talk to me if but I can't I can't arrest her you would it's not about claim of ownership it's that you entrusted her with it right and then over time it all changed but here's the thing I'm not gonna sit here and argue the merits of the law with you I'll go touch base with my supervisor and agree that he's on board because I'm not gonna drive down there and arrest her for it right which is my only recourse because she doesn't want to give it back unless she gets her apology that's between you guys whatever happened the last time you were up here that's between you guys I don't want anything to do with that okay um I don't need to be in the middle of it I don't need to sit here while she comes in and she won't sound conversation with you about it that's I'm not interested okay in my experience letting two emotional people have an ongoing conversation leads to somebody going to jail that's my role usually in people's ongoing heated conversations okay so I as a rule I don't want people to so short of me driving down there and trying to sweet-talk her into giving him back which I don't think is gonna happen we're it weird it's a civil dispute but like I said I'll go talk to my supervisor I'll reread the SMC's on theft if you want if that'll make you feel better too I mean I'm not I'm not trying to be flippant or anything but the reality is like there's not a lot I can do you know um you know short of short of weekly conversations where you know our monthly conversation about how's my viola doing or anything like short of that kind of documentation it's really hard to say okay I asked you for that man yeah you know I sent you an email okay I'm in bad mind yeah [Applause] sent you an email with the case number attached to it I was trying to provide so you mentioned you may I know there was anything that was said that she was refusing to him returning there one just sit tight yep hey pup hi are you Sabrina I'm officer spear down please just letting those all have audio and video recorder on okay so they're still sitting in there they saw your car pull in he said he doesn't want to talk to you so I mean your feet I can see that the clock is running so you [Applause] so here here's the thing you're not making yourself look better right now okay you're not okay you're acting vindictive and petty this is it's his property he's gonna sue you for it you're gonna have to give it back to him you're gonna have to pay to get an attorney or worse somebody's gonna read the report I write and decide cuz it's gonna include all this including this video and they're gonna say you know what she she kept it she chose to not give something back but you didn't you just called him again and said if you want it you have to come out and get it right I think this this is a you guys can't power plays are not how people have healthy relationships okay I don't know how many times he's done this to you this power play business but you're trying to do it with this childish okay so you have two dogs like that just the [Applause] yeah so that's the only way it's gonna happen if you want him to heaven it comes to me right here do you have it [Applause] and here you tell me that you don't think that you did something if you were interested and I told you not to approach me until I felt safe when we did not respect that [Applause] okay here's the thing we're not having an argument in the precinct parking lot okay I'm gonna give you your shit box [Applause] Sabrina and just go get in the car goddamn go it's and I don't care only thing you ever cared about was the abilities of the bhojas crowd so I don't know where it is pythons are in tackles I wanna leave those crazy Jesus devoted like I was watching really close I was like is he gonna butterfingers it okay thanks man she's angry Bali's Coleman okay I mean I'll just include everything I witnessed in the report and I'll mention that the bow was not returned and you can decide what the next step with that that's okay you have any other questions or any radar then you have the card with the case number okay okay if yeah of course if if anything didn't kind of online harassment or anything like that happens but like there's a difference between like saying things about people versus like actual harassment or or like sending pictures like you know incriminating pictures or you know vulgar pictures or anything like that which we see from time to time is ex-boyfriends or ex-girlfriends will send someone nude photos with sort of the implication being I know where you work I had this photos and that's crime so just I would just I mean it's hard she has had mutual friends but it's probably the safest step for everybody right yeah I would I would go so far as to say not even no contact not even you don't need to be talking to her friends about her even if they're your mutual friend Trey and if you want to show that it was about more than the viola good way to do that is to keep talking about her right but if you want people to believe it's just about the viola all right how that goes okay I don't understand I barely understand it but okay well good luck have a safe flight back [Applause] [Applause] tacos [Applause] I was like when she threw it out all the Jesus don't bring like [Applause] [Music]