good afternoon this is daniel here with
cop watch tv he just wanted to welcome
everyone to our live event so what we're
going to do today is essentially go over
some of the most important issues in
policing and some of the most
interesting cases from the last couple
weeks we typically do this every friday
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um so let's get into the cases so the
first case that we want to talk about
and that's happened last couple weeks
that are that the media is talking about
and the news is talking about one of the
most important things to break down is
the jalen walker case so this is a case
that occurred on 6 27 of this year in
minneapolis minnesota and i know it
seems like we just have a lot of these
officer involved shootings that are
controversial for one reason or another
that happened in this area which is
strange so i went to law school in the
twin cities i went to school in saint
paul and i graduated there in 2019 but i
remember it being a pretty nice place a
reasonable place and it seems like as
soon as i left
all these shootings happened and it's
it's there's a lot going on there and
this happens to be one of them so a
quick rundown of the facts of the jalen
walker cases what happened was is jalen
was driving a vehicle i believe his
registration was expired and a police
officer tried to stop him and he didn't
stop and when he didn't stop the police
officer didn't chase him anymore so it
was called off a little while later
pretty
late into the night i think around one
o'clock in the morning he was driving
again and another police officer tried
to stop him well this time the police
officer while he was you know behind
jalen and within about 40 seconds of the
traffic stop initiating jalen fired
around
from the vehicle out of the driver's
side window now it isn't known if he
fired it at the police officer or just
in the air but you can imagine a
situation where a police officer is
behind someone and they are just trying
to do a traffic stop and that's all they
think it is and maybe the vehicle isn't
stopping and then the individual fires a
gun so that escalates things to a pretty
extreme rate and that goes from a
traffic stop for just a regular
violation that police officers just you
know aren't going to chase for to
something where you pretty much put
police officers in a position where they
almost have to chase and they also
almost have to do a vehicle pursuit so
eventually so the officer calls us on
the radio and the calvary comes so
eventually jalen's car stops and police
officers on the driver's side it's kind
of the car is going at a more
residential neighborhood at the slow
speed and police officers go on the
driver's side door
they go on the driver's side in the
vehicle and they try to
and they try to box in and block him
from the driver's side to kind of
contain him in the vehicle but while the
car's still running he does something
unexpected and whenever there's a police
chase there's a lot of things that
happen that are unexpected so what
happens is that he goes out the
passenger side and he starts to run from
police almost immediately police engage
in a foot chase and two different
officers utilize tasers this and the
tasers aren't effective and it's it's
important to note that tasers fail
approximately 40 percent of the time for
one reason or another they just don't
have the desired effect but this is what
happened here the tasers didn't work but
the reason why this is important because
it shows that the intention from the
police officers was to end this
situation and to get jalen into custody
without having to use lethal force so
tasers is what they wanted to do so he
pretty much ran and as he was running he
turned around towards officers that's
when he was tased the tasers didn't work
then he ran again once he was running
again
he again turned around towards police
officers only this time he did something
a little different as jalen turned
around he put his hands near his waist
and he made a quick motion towards the
officers
as he turned around at that point police
officers were involved in an
officer-involved shooting now
it's it's
was found out later that jalen wasn't
armed he had left the gun and also his
wedding ring in the vehicle he didn't
take it with him so but at the time of
the shooting i think it's reasonable to
say that because he had fired a gun so
officers knew that he was armed at one
point because he had fired a gun out of
the car and when he turned quickly
towards the officers that it was
reasonable for them to think especially
because his hands were near his waist
that he was drawing a firearm that would
be a reasonable assumption for the
police officers to think now a couple
things can be true i think it's
reasonable to say that the initial
deadly force used by the police officers
was lawful and justified however the
police officers i believe there were
eight officers they shot 90 times of the
90 times they shot he was shot 46 times
and the body camera footage is pretty
horrific and if you watch the body
camera footage after jalen is on the
ground where it doesn't seem like he's a
threat anymore police officers are still
firing rounds so you have to ask
yourself the question well you know is
it is it just because if the initial
officer involved shooting if that was
reasonable and legal and justified well
what if they fire 20 30 40 50 shots too
many what is that is that a violation of
law and i it probably isn't because if
deadly force is authorized or justified
to use deadly force then it doesn't
matter really if police officers shoot
four times or 20 times now it could be a
violation of police department policy so
i think that's what the officers could
be facing but when it comes to criminal
charges for the police officers i think
it is much more relevant of why the
police officers shot in the first place
than how many shots they actually fired
and it they did some they they did
release some of the information about
the police officers involved and most of
them were pretty young police officers
they had on one year to three years i
think the senior person on scene had on
seven years so when you have police
departments where there are there aren't
a lot of senior officers and you have
newer officers who maybe aren't
accustomed to or used to being under
stressful scenarios and situations like
this this is one of the things that
might happen that they might shoot more
than maybe a senior officer might have
one other question that came out so
we're going to follow this case and
we'll see if the officers are prosecuted
one of the questions that came out of
this and that officers were were
criticized for it was on all the major
news networks right after this happened
is after jalen walker was shot the
police officers handcuffed him so people
so
people who didn't know who don't have
any experience police training they
don't have any real knowledge about this
instead of asking the question which is
if you don't know something that's what
you should do i don't know anything
about auto mechanics or i don't know how
to be a brain surgeon so before i
criticize a brain surgeon i'm probably
going to ask them why do you do this so
that should have been the question from
a lot of these news networks why did the
police officers handcuff jalen walker
after he was shot and it's pretty much
standard practice and procedure all
around the country that this is what
police officers do after an
officer-involved shooting and there's a
couple reasons why the first reason is
that after an officer-involved shooting
you have an individual who is injured so
the priority should be to get the person
immediate medical help to render aid and
to try to save the person's life as
quickly as possible that should be what
the police officers want to do now you
just had now for police officers
shooting at people typically it's
because the individual posed a deadly
threat so police officers for reasonable
officer safety reasons should not
underestimate
the intention or the ability of people
who just fired at them or who just posed
some type of a deadly threat so to
handcuff the individual basically just
makes it safer for the individual or the
police officer because the worst case
scenario would be after an individual
shot if police officers run up and tried
to render aid as they should try to
render aid as quickly as possible with
chest seals or tourniquets or whatever
else the individual might need what if
there is a gun that's near the person or
a knife that's near the person now when
a police officer is under that much
stress what you don't want is for the
police officer to think the individual's
reaching for the gun again or for the
knife again not even talking about if
the individual actually does reach for
those things but you don't want a police
officer to confuse someone who's injured
and may not know exactly what movements
their arms are making because they've
been shot you don't want a police
officer to mistake that for trying to
reach for the gun or the knife again
because then what happens in a situation
if the police officers use more force so
you want to limit that so those are the
reasons why people are handcuffed after
they are shot it's pretty much best
practices for police departments all
around the country and not every
situation is the same but having that as
a general rule with the idea that saving
the person's life is the goal at this
point and this is a way to accomplish
that safely i think that is pretty
reasonable so again if anybody has any
other questions about that um
put it in the chat you know this is a
case that i expect to be in the news for
a long time um
and i'm sorry i think i said that this
was in minneapolis this was actually in
akron ohio so i but there's another case
in a little while minneapolis so this
case was in akron ohio and afterwards
there are protests and there were um
demonstrations all around the city that
were going on in akron right right after
this happened um so that's that's that
case so if you have any questions or
comments um definitely put it in there
we'll we'll see what you um see what
people think about this case or if you
have any other information about it um
and i think it's reasonable to think
that this was probably a suicide by cop
situation with jaylen walker because
think about it a lot of the time not all
the time but a lot of the time when
there's an officer involved shooting
when someone runs from police and then
they fire a gun and then they run on
foot from police a lot of times you can
look at someone's criminal history and
you could see okay well that well that
that makes sense that isn't the case
with jalen walker by all accounts he was
just a regular normal person he wasn't a
criminal didn't have warrants he didn't
just commit a crime so there was no
reason for him to do this now he did
just lose his
very recently before this and family
members in the media had said that he
did seem depressed he also left his
wedding ring in the car too so if you
look at what he did is the first time
the police officers tried to stop him
they just once he didn't stop they just
let him go so he escalated it and he
fired a gun the next time the same thing
when he was running on foot he was
running on foot and he turned around and
i think that he thought he was going to
be shot right then but that's not what
happened the officers utilized tasers so
the second time he turned around he
again escalated it he moved his hands
near his waist and he made a quick
motion
towards the police officers so to me and
because of the lack of criminal history
he didn't have warrants he didn't just
commit a felony because of all these
things the totality of the circumstances
also he left his gun in the car and his
wedding ring in the car so it seemed
like this is
very likely a suicide-by-cop situation
which is very sad but that's what it
that's what it looks like um so
i know we talk about uvalde a lot and
it's it's just the
anyone who talks about these kinds of
police issues
almost everyone has the same take and so
it just isn't that interesting and
that's especially since all the body cam
footage has come out is
the officer should have gone in okay
fine everybody agrees with that
but there is a question that i was asked
on my tech talk earlier this week where
someone asks should the police officers
in uvalde be fired now i think that's an
interesting question because it's a
little more nuanced so
based on the body camera footage and the
the report that we got from alerts the
the um the one of the reports that came
out about it i think that's a reasonable
question that we might be able to dive
into a little bit and what what that is
is since i don't know the the employment
laws in texas or the sops in texas um i
think instead of saying should the
you've all the officers be fired i think
it's a better question but kind of in
the same vein to ask did the officers
perform their job you know reasonably
well so and they're going to be in three
different tiers i think is is a good way
to think about it so the first tier is
going to be the leader so the police
leaders the chief of police chief
aerodondo who was on scene and the
police leaders from the other agencies
who were there on scene who were pretty
much setting the tone and directing what
the officer should do so
they didn't do a good job i don't think
anybody has any heartache if those
individuals are never police officers
again so i i think that's pretty
clear-cut that there was poor leadership
and planning which definitely goes on
the leaders who were there on scene then
it come the next tier is the officers
who were outside and i know it's a bad
look because the officers who were
outside of the school
they were stopping parents from coming
in and i get it that looks terrible but
you have to think about it this way the
officers who were outside the school
here's what they knew they knew that
there was an active shooter inside the
school and that there were at least 20
cops inside the school they didn't have
a live feed or a camera they had no idea
exactly what was going on in there only
that there were 20 cops inside the
school dealing with an active shooter
now standard police procedure and it's a
good procedure is when there's an active
shooter whether it be at a school or at
a grocery store is that police officers
set up a perimeter and they make sure
that nobody else goes into the scene of
the active shooter i mean this seems
like a good practice and that's what the
officers did here and again it looks bad
when it's a school shooting when
officers inside aren't doing a good job
and parents are trying to get in so of
course that doesn't look good but can
you imagine if the police officers did
allow 20 30 40 85 parents to go into the
school or in another active shooter
scene could you imagine 20 30 or 40 of
random people running into the scene of
an active shooter what if a police
officer mistakes one of the individuals
for someone who's an active shooter that
can't possibly make anything better so
the officers who were securing the
perimeter outside the school they did
exactly what they were supposed to do
and they should not be terminated or
anything like that then it comes to the
officers who were inside the school so
if you were one of the first officers on
scene who were inside the school for 77
minutes and if you weren't asking pete
arredondo and the other leaders
questions yeah that that's probably
going to fall on the side of you weren't
doing a good job but if you were like
the boar tech team from border team from
border patrol who got there later on and
pretty much once they figured out what
was going on they entered and they ended
the situation they killed this guy well
that would be a different thing so i
think it depends about how long you were
there in the information that you had
and i think that's how those individuals
should be judged i know i mentioned pete
arredondo so he was
essentially he resigned from the city
council
when it comes to his uvalde public
school district chief of police job he
was put on admin leave a couple weeks
ago which is a good thing and the school
board the the people who are in charge
are going to have a special meeting
tomorrow on a saturday and they're going
to decide whether or not he's going to
be terminated from his position so i
think a lot of people
are hoping that he is and it would
probably be better for the community if
he is not in any kind of position of
power um so that's kind of the update on
yuvaldi like i said they have released a
lot of the body cam footage one of the
most horrifying things i mean besides
the you know the the all of the death is
the police officer ruiz who got the call
from his wife eva morelis who was a
teacher at the school he got a call that
she was
from her that she was
that she was shot and that she was
possibly dying and uh you can see
they've released the body cam footage
where he basically just gets off the
phone with her and he tells the other
officers there
that you know that he says she's shot
and he tries to walk through the line of
police officers to get there and they
stop him and that is that is a
heartbreaking scene but that is um on
body camera that is has been made
publicly available
um the next story so if anybody has any
questions or comments um
definitely open it up to see if anybody
wants to discuss anything on the on the
uvaldi case
so someone had a comment uh let's see
they should uh smcg they should fire all
the cops and even the mayor i've never
seen someone dodge as many questions and
say nothing when he speaks yeah so when
it comes to the mayor so yeah the mayor
is a little defensive when it comes to
this at first the mayor was irritated
that any body camera or
surveillance footage was available at
all and then it was the mayor's decision
to release at least the city body camera
footage that we have so um he felt that
what was initially released
more so the surveillance video didn't um
accurately depict what happened um
let's see uh
uh let's see um
okay uh gs38 a friend of mine was killed
in line of duty last night so i'm i'm
sorry to hear that i i heard that there
was an officer-involved shooting um or
that an officer was killed in rochester
new york and i am sorry for your loss
sorry for your loss
um
the next story that we're going to go to
is um
it's in greenwood indiana um this
happened so this happened uh last week
and
um
it's essentially it it's
it's a good guy with a gun that's that's
the kind of case this is so um there was
an active shooter at a mall in greenwood
indiana and the active shooter he was a
20 year old he bought brought two guns
in i think he brought a rifle and a
handgun in hit over a hundred rounds of
ammo and he started shooting in the mall
he in two minutes he fired 20 rounds and
he killed three people and he injured
three more
within two minutes of the shooting
started there was a a man named elijah
dicken a 22 year old who is a concealed
carry holder who engaged the active
shooter so within 20 minutes within two
minutes of it happening he fired 10
rounds at the active shooter of the 10
rounds from 40 yards away he hit him
eight times and ended the the active
shooter at that point since the bad guy
had over 100 rounds and he only shot 20
rounds had the
had elijah not
gotten involved it's reasonable to say
that you know 10 15 or 20 people could
have died and that many more injured as
well so he is a hero the chief of police
and the mayor went on tv publicly and
said that this individual is a is a hero
and of course there's there's some
blowback coming from this because he was
he was carrying a gun um and the mall
has a policy that they are a gun-free
zone so even on cnn people were asking
questions such as such as well is he
going to be prosecuted for bringing a
gun into a gun free zone and that's fine
if you have that question i would rather
have people ask questions if they don't
know but on some of these major networks
i mean
what they should be explaining is that
that is a policy a gun-free zone inside
a mall is a policy and you know what the
mall has a lot of policies you also
can't run up the escalator backwards
okay there's a lot of policies but it's
not a law now there are state laws in
most states saying that you can't bring
a gun into a liquor store or into an
establishment or into a bar so there
definitely aren't um there definitely
are laws like that skateboarding you
can't skateboard inside the mall
you probably can't jump on a pogo stick
inside them all so this is a policy that
the mall has so worst case scenario if
someone at the mall had seen that mr
dicken had was carrying a gun inside the
mall they could contact him and they
could ask him to leave for violating the
policy and if he didn't leave then it's
possible that a police officer could
give him a criminal trespass notice for
violating mall policy so there's nothing
he did that was illegal and i think
that's important and important to note
also
we have from smcg we have a comment 40
yards is super far he could have easily
easily missed and died doing what he did
yeah 100 40 yards is super far um a lot
of police officers in a lot of states
are only required to um practice with
their handguns from 25 yards out so um
to be able to shoot and i believe in an
interview he said that he learned from
his grandfather so to be an accurate
shot at 40 yards
again under a situation that is
extremely stressful that that's that's
it's extremely
amazing human performance right there
and he is a hero and he probably saved a
lot of lives and a lot of the podcasts i
listen to in in books that i read so one
of the books that i'm reading right now
about halfway through it's called the
end of policing by alex vitale and it's
actually terrible you shouldn't read it
at all but i mean he makes a lot of um
it's it's he makes a lot of things where
he talks about issues like this and it's
all anti-police stuff and it isn't
honest at all but he talks about a lot
of how you know the hero the hero with
the gun the good guy with the gun how
that's a myth and there's a lot been a
lot of articles from salon and slate and
the huffington post over the last
several years with that exact headline
the good guy with a gun is a myth so you
know after this happened i did i did
some research on it and there's a
website called
crimeresearch.org which actually tracks
and studies a lot of this stuff so what
crimeresearch.org was able to find is
that in the last year there have been 10
incidents where a good guy with a gun
was able to stop an active shooter and
since 2020 there have been 21 instances
where a good guy with a gun has stopped
an active shooter so so almost you know
one to one and a half every month but
this is one of the only ones that we
actually hear about so so it's
interesting what they decide to cover
and what they don't and i i guess what
my point is it's not that a good guy
with a gun it's not that that idea is a
myth it's just that there aren't enough
good guys with guns because i think we
would all prefer this outcome of we
don't want anyone to get shot but we
would rather if there's an active
shooter we would rather have them shoot
for two minutes and then be killed
instead of being able to shoot for 5 10
15 20 minutes and i just want to point
out that if you are one of the people
like me who is criticizing the police
officers in in
uvalde texas so if you criticize the
police officer's performance there which
essentially goes along the lines of you
know we can't trust the police officers
they're not going to protect us when we
when we need them those are reasonable
criticisms that i have as well as those
police officers so if you're going to
make that criticism of police officers
in uvalde then you shouldn't also be
making the same argument that reasonable
people who pass the background check who
are trained should not have a concealed
carry gun that that doesn't make sense
um they've done studies on concealed
carry holders and concealed carry
holders if you are going to go through
the the background check and the
training in order to get a concealed
carry that those individuals their
incidents of committing crime are
extremely low it's even lower than law
enforcement um people in law enforcement
so the idea that we don't want people to
do this um i don't think is is a correct
idea because we see what good can happen
um
so if anybody has any questions about
that case um we'd definitely like to to
hear about it let's see
uh let's see what we got in here
uh jeff meek said can't we just require
all law-abiding adults to carry guns i
bet
them could potentially end their spree
early they'd reconsider well we can't
require anything which is which is great
about this country so we can't require
them to carry guns but we should
encourage so the encouragement shouldn't
be you know from the from the media and
from from the government the it
shouldn't be well you know
the good guy with a gun it's a myth it
never happens it's not a thing guns do
far more harm than good so that's the
narrative that's the agenda but it it
shouldn't be so stories like this should
be pointed out and no just random people
who've never picked up a gun and have no
education or training those aren't the
kinds of people that you know probably
should be doing this but if you're going
to take the effort and in time to get
trained and get licensed and go through
the background check for a concealed
carry yeah absolutely those are the
kinds of people and yes if people know
if bad guys know that there are people
who are armed there that they would
likely be less likely to engage in this
kind of activity because if you notice
where do most of these mass shootings
happen these these active shooters
happen they happen in gun-free zones
they happen in schools and malls gun
free zones is where they happen but the
thing about a gun-free zone is that
there's no force feel around the school
that doesn't let you around the mall
that doesn't let you in if you happen to
be carrying a firearm uh james eckle
says i carry a firearm on me and i'm
just security guard for various
businesses and clients yeah that's
reasonable and i'm sure your clients um
appreciate that i'm sure that they uh
appreciate that for sure um so yeah so
if anybody has any comments about that
definitely put it put it in we so we can
talk about that um and i just so i
admittedly i don't watch a whole lot of
tv um unless it's unless it's uh the
seinfeld or um sports um or news i
really don't watch a whole lot but we
did just watch yellowstone so i don't
know how many people have watched
yellowstone but it's it's a it's a
pretty good show um it's essentially
like sons of anarchy for people who live
in montana but for those who've watched
it like this this monica lady the girl
who's married to casey i mean is she
just like the
meghan markle of yellowstone i don't
know i just think just shut up and
live live on the ranch
um
next we've got
uh techlee sunburg so this is a case
that just happened and
they just released the body cam video in
the next day in the last day or so
technically sunburst so this is the case
that happened in
minneapolis and the interesting thing
about the techlee sunburg case so so he
was a young black male who was killed by
police officers this was in uh
minneapolis you know the same city where
the george floyd incident happened and
you know very very close to where uh kim
potter had her shooting which was in
brooklyn center which is very close so a
lot of incidents have been happening in
the minneapolis metro area and so
techlee sunberg so what happened what
happened in that case is that um there's
a woman who lives across the hall from
techlee sunburg her name is arabell
yarborough and she says that he had a
crush on her and that she was he was
kind of stalking her so um this happened
on 7 13. so she said that on 7 13 that
he went to the hallway and he started to
shoot a gun at her front door and
there's bullet holes in the front door
she said that she was home with her two
small children and that she was cooking
so she said that while she was cooking
that she starts taking fire she calls
police officers police officers get
there on scene and they are able to
rescue her and her kids officers then
get into a standoff with tecli so he's
not cooperating he's not coming out they
get into a six-hour standoff with him in
this
apartment complex so not only is he
shooting at police officers during the
six hours he's also firing randomly in
and around the apartment complex which
still has people in it because not
everyone was able to be evacuated so
this is what happens then at some point
after about six hours
a sniper with the police department does
shoot techly and kill him and this is
before a lot of this information came
out so the exact reason why there was an
officer-involved shooting like the next
day not people didn't have a whole lot
of information however black lives
matter and other protesters went to the
to the apartment complex the next day
and they started to protest and yelling
about police brutality and stuff like
that and and i i think being able to
protest is an is an incredible right
it's a first amendment right everybody
should be able to do it but i i think
it's it
you should really know what what you're
protesting so you could they they
essentially went out there and were
protesting and having no idea of what
tecli did to get shot or that he was
firing at police officers with no
information like that just protesting
just to protest which which seems
strange you should know what you're
protesting about but the interesting
thing that happened is that arabelle
yarborough you know the victim of
techlee she came out and confronted
protesters and it's all on video it's
it's really interesting because she got
in their faces and she was not quiet
about it she said things to the effect
of he was armed he was trying to kill us
and you can see these protesters like
they really didn't know what to say
because they just didn't have that
information and then she made a point
that i think is incredibly smart and
intelligent and it's something that i've
been saying for years and a lot of
people have been saying for years but
because she's a victim of a violent
crime maybe someone will listen to her
and she said this isn't george floyd
this isn't jacob blake this isn't tamir
rice she said he was armed and he was
trying to kill us and so just the idea
that all of these officer-involved
shootings they're all different so i
think most of us can look at the george
floyd case and say what derek chauvin
did that was excessive that was criminal
we're good with derek chovin being in
prison for 22 years no problem with that
that's not the case with jacob blake
jacob blake was reaching for a knife as
police officers shot him so i mean
whether or not you think it's justified
these are different situations and what
a lot of people do they say anytime
someone is killed by the police if they
say it's it's it's they lump all of
these cases together and that does a
couple things that makes all the police
officers look bad which which isn't fair
because we should call out the police
officers who do commit crimes and not
the ones who don't commit crimes but it
also lumps all of the victims together
so
and i don't think that is fair to the
victims who are true victims of when
police officers violate the law so i
think that was a great point that that
she made and i am absolutely 100 percent
glad that she said it um
yeah that's about it on that's about it
and that case
um
let's see do we have any comments on any
of these cases that we
we just went through um okay so uh joe
says that george floyd had a drug
overdose so let's let's talk about that
for a second so yeah so at the time that
george floyd um when they did the
autopsy my understanding is that he had
three times the fatal dose of fentanyl
in his system now when they talk about
the fatal dose that means a normal
person so i have about one beer a week
and i've never had fentanyl so a tiny
bit of fentanyl would probably just
about do it for me okay so the fatal
dose is for it wouldn't what would kill
an average person but george floyd well
he wasn't an average fentanyl user he
used a lot of fentanyl so so so what
would be fatal for me would definitely
not be fatal for george floyd so did he
have a lot of fentanyl in his system
absolutely a hundred percent three times
the you know typical average fatal dose
would it have killed him um but for
derek chauvin i don't know um and i
think that's it was definitely a factor
he also just had covid and he had heart
issues as well so all of those things
came about but if you look at the force
that chauvin used it was excessive force
it was not necessary it was not
reasonable it was not proportional and
under those situations of using
excessive force someone died
so derek chovin being convicted
i don't think anybody most people don't
have any issues with that because it
absolutely was excessive force that was
not necessary and someone died now one
other one other thing so thomas lane he
was a police officer who i think there
were four officers on scene for george
floyd thomas lane he had on i think it
was his third shift as a police officer
and i think he was the least culpable
person there meaning that so it was
derek chauvin it was um the another
officer uh luang lu eng was in the
middle of george floyd kind of holding
his back and then lane was at the back
so lane was holding george floyd's legs
so it's re and there was an officer in
between him and chauvin so it's
reasonable to think that so it's
reasonable to think that he didn't see
what was going on and even though it was
his third day he did ask chauvin twice
hey should we roll him over should we
roll him over um but thomas lane was
just um sentenced in federal court for
deprivation of civil rights he was just
sentenced to two and a half years in
jail so um to me that seems that seems
excessive the same thing for tau tau was
the officer who was doing crowd control
he never touched george floyd um and you
know maybe if there wasn't a crowd of 10
15 20 people screaming at them maybe he
would have been able to see what was
going on with the three other officers
but i think those two were probably the
least culpable but i've heard that tao
is looking at maybe somewhere between
five to six years in prison
um
okay so
let's see
if we have that that was a good
conversation about about the george
floyd case let's see
uh
jeff meeks asked what do you think about
ethan crumbly's parents
getting charged so
i
from what i know about that case um
and i haven't done a deep dive on that
case but you know essentially i believe
that ethan crumbly he was a he was a
school shooter and he had contact with
his parents i believe text messages with
his with his mother not long before i
don't know if they knew he had a firearm
but both the parents are are are being
charged and kind of strange so i think
if if and i don't know what the laws are
in that state but if the parents had a
reasonable knowledge and they gave the
ability for him to bring a gun to school
um then i think i i don't have any issue
with them being charged i'm not sure
exactly what they're charged with but
you know if they gave if they made it so
ethan could have access to a gun and
didn't do anything for the warning signs
um are they being charged with something
to the effect of you know creating a
situation that's dangerous that would
lead a reasonable person to believe that
something bad could happen for lack of a
better term so if that's the type of
crime that they're charged with i think
that's probably about right um so i
don't i don't think we have any issue
with the parents being charged but more
facts will come out on that uh let's see
uh yeah jeff okay so the parents bought
the gun but something locked up seemed
to have ignored yeah exactly exactly so
they purchased the gun how however they
purchased it they let him have access to
it somehow and ignored multiple warning
signs uh so yeah so i don't think
anybody has any issue with um
with the parents being charged there
judge clark said uh they found twenty
dollars not counterfeit you must have
missed that fact uh let's see i think
that's a reference to the george floyd
case where he was pat trying to pass a
counterfair there was a report that he
was passing a counterfeit 20 bill or
something i'm not i'm not too sure
on that
uh let's see
so based yt you are full i like this one
chauvin had nothing to do with uh his
floyd had nothing to do with saint
floyd's martyrdom the state's own use of
force sme acknowledged he used minimal
force did you watch the trial i did
watch the trial and i guess it's okay
for us to disagree but what i will say
is is i think you're making two
different arguments i think one might be
a good argument and one is a bad
argument so your good argument is that
the state sme said that this was they
didn't use the word minimal in that
training i think they used that this was
this was in some training somewhere um
but if you look at what that training
said it the officer is not supposed to
put the weight on the individual's neck
if anything the weight is supposed to go
on the back not on the neck and you can
clearly see from the video that that's
where it was now when police officers
are in use for situations they don't
always do everything as they're trained
perfectly but so that was in training
but you also said that shove it had
nothing to do with it well he had
something to do with it okay
he had something to do with it
to say he had nothing to do with it
doesn't make a whole lot of sense but to
say that the tactic that was used was
trained um yeah it was trained now is it
possible for a trained tactic to be used
in an excessive manner from police
officers yes of course so i don't have
any issues with um derek shoving being
charged and convicted i think that's
that's exactly where he belongs i do
have an issue with the other three
officers being charged and and and
convicted um
so that is where my issue is with with
that case but not with chauvin zero
sympathy from me on that one um
let's see
uh
okay um so the last case that i wanna i
wanna talk about is the bodega worker or
the
bodiga worker as uh
uh the greatest doctor of our time that
dr joe biden says uh the at the bodega
um jose elba so jose alba is 61 years
old he works at a bodega in new york um
he actually immigrated to the united
states 30 years ago from the dominican
republic and he doesn't have any kind of
criminal history and we got a super chat
so that's that that is that is exciting
so um let's let's stop real quick and
i'll get back in that and let's read
that
oh okay all right so i thought we had
super tight so this is what's gonna
happen see how exciting this is this is
what's gonna happen if we get a super
chat so um but yeah this is what we're
gonna do so um sorry i was a little i
was a little confused but anyways okay
so the the bodega worker jose alba
he doesn't have any any tie any type of
criminal history and what happened with
this case is that a woman came into the
store and she tried to buy some chips
her card didn't work and apparently her
in what she alleges that her 10 year old
daughter was holding the chips and she
said that when the card failed that the
worker behind the counter jose alba that
he rudely grabbed the chips and snatched
the chips from her she said she's going
to go and tell her man that's exactly
what she did she went back home and she
got her ex-boyfriend
austin simon who austin is at the time
he was 35 years old and
you know um unlike jalen walker austin
simon is a career criminal he has
robbery convictions and he is uh
and he is uh
is that a super chat
and uh we got a super chat smcg thank
you your co-worker set you up haha yeah
he got me he got me uh thank you so much
uh smcg i appreciate i appreciate uh all
of the all the comments and all the
interaction and um i did get owned that
was that was funny thank you so much um
so jose jose alba um so yeah so austin
simon 35 years old he was actually on
probation for battery on a police
officer with this happens so she goes
back and she basically tells him what
happened there now you know i have a
seven-year-old and a 12 year old and if
i heard this story that a worker at a
at a store snatched chips out of my
kid's hand as a parent i might be kind
of irritated so that isn't unreasonable
that austin simon is irritated it's also
not that unreasonable that he went back
down like i could see a lot of parents
going back down and asking the
individual behind the counter hey like
what happened you don't have to be that
rude or turning into a karen and asking
for the phone number for the manager so
i could see like a normal reasonable
parent doing that but that's not how
austin rolls so he did something that
was a little unreasonable he not only
screamed and yelled in the store but he
went behind the counter and he
essentially
cornered jose alba into a corner behind
the counter he pushed him down he
battered him and the where jose was he
wasn't able to leave and
and austin simon was pretty much
towering over him and in that situation
that's you know that could be considered
because his movement was restricted that
could be considered kidnapping um or or
um
holding against your will i can't think
of an infant anyways but it could be
kidnapping or something similar to
kidnapping and he was battered during
that so really that's at least two
felony crimes that likely happened so
during this jose alba was able to grab
at first they said it was a knife it's
hard to tell on the on the surveillance
video if it's a letter opener but some
type of a sharp object we'll just call
it a knife for the sake of for
argument's sake but and during this he
stabbed
austin simon in the neck and he killed
him um most people watching the
surveillance video would say yeah no
don't want anyone to die but like yeah
this was
this was reasonable self-defense you
have an aggressive person who's 30 years
younger who is upset
who
is battering and is restricting the
movement of someone that like yeah this
is this is a reasonable uh use of force
or a
self-defense for jose alba well that's
not what the new york police department
and probably i promote the blame on
alvin bragg's da's office in new york
thought because
jose alba was charged with second-degree
murder he was sent to rikers island and
the d.a asked for a bond of 500 000
so the judge only put a 250 000 bond on
him which is still insane so everyone
found out about what unlawful restraint
yes um i can't think of what it's called
but yeah false imprisonment that's what
i was looking for smcg you're all over
today false imprisonment that's the word
i was looking for the anyways
so the bond was reduced to 250 000
um
and everyone went
crazy about it um even the mayor of new
york city eric adams who is a former
police officer but definitely leans um
you know pretty progressive in a lot of
his policies he even went on tv and he
said that um that this is uh that
something like this that workers and
people should be able to be safe and
they should be able to use reasonable
self-defense and uh eric adams the mayor
he encouraged the d.a to drop the
charges so after all of that happened
the bond was lowered to fifty thousand
dollars and jose alba was able to bail
out but he was on an ankle monitor um
there's also video of news reporters and
people just bugging him at his apartment
and the guy's scared he opens the door
only a couple inches and i mean this is
a this is just a terrible thing for him
so um in the last couple days though the
d.a dropped the charges i'm going to use
a couple negatives here but this is a
statement from the d.a that the d.a
could not prove that the force used was
not
self-defense so um the the um
the charges were were dropped which is a
which is a great thing um and john
bill's really good question how do you
think it would have went without a video
i can tell you how it would go without a
video um this would be looked at in the
light most favorable to the guy who was
dead um so i think if there wasn't a
video that i think jose alba he would
still be in trouble there would still be
charges pending um so i think that's
exactly how that would have gone and
that would be a miscar character of
justice um he should never have been in
prison he was in he was in jail for six
days which is which is far too long but
it is good that the charges were dropped
uh let's see uh let's see if we have any
other uh any other
comments about this uh let's see
okay
let's see uh yeah i like the different
camera angles yeah no i mean it's it's a
great thing that there is that there is
is uh surveillance there and um the
public's the the good thing about this
is that the the
the public support okay the public
support was really for jose alba i mean
there weren't a whole lot of people um
saying that austin that had a lot of
sympathy for austin simon so um what i
worry about though is that imagine a
situation so all of the public support
all of the public support was
with jose alba and still he was charged
and still he spent six days in jail and
then longer on an ankle monitor imagine
if the public support wasn't with him
what if the public support was with
austin simon then this isn't how people
should be prosecuted it's just not how
people should be prosecuted it should be
looked at with the evidence and it's
amazing to me that the da's office and
alvin bragg looked at the evidence and
decided to charge second-degree murder
in this case i should also mention that
after jose alba stabbed and killed
austin simon that the initial woman who
had the the issue with the chips who
called her man over that she then
stabbed jose elba as well so he had
injuries from that as well and i think
it'll be interesting to see if she is
charged with the crime because the last
i heard she had not been charged
let's see
okay uh
someone talking about the new cop show
coming out on riel's channel yeah so
this was the live pd show that was on um
uh dan abrams it was his show and it was
cancelled in 2020 after all of the all
of the riots and after the george
the george floyd murder and now it's
rebranded i think it's called something
like on patrol live
and um it is going to be on the reels
channel they have um camera crews with
30 different police departments around
the country and i think it's going to be
on fridays and saturdays so i'm good
plug there because that is a that is a
great show for people who are interested
and want to see what police officers
this isn't
it's not scripted it just calls for
service so of what police officers do
on a regular basis um uh malayna says
what about the guy that was shot more
than 60 times by the cops where were you
a few minutes ago so we covered that
case molina that was the the uh jalen
walker case um we did cover that that
was the first case i went through today
i think and the police officers actually
shot him 90 times and um
uh he was hit 46 times so we we covered
that in depth so you can go back and
watch and watch this uh watch this and
see exactly what we say about that and
there were some good questions about
that as well um
so does if anybody else has any other
questions um i will definitely talk
about them now um otherwise those were
the cases that i thought were the most
interesting cases to watch so i just
want to
remind everyone
melinda sorry i was like that's okay
thank you for coming and commenting i
really appreciate it but all of these
lives um if you know if you go into the
cop watch tv channel and look at lives
you can watch it and it'll be in the
first five minutes or so and you can see
what we say about that case um it's
probably the most interesting case with
the most dynamic um things things going
on in it um
okay wait i have another one okay melina
i'll wait a second um
uh all right but yeah while we're
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what kind of questions do people
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last question is what about the old lady
that had dementia was killed by a cop uh
let's see
we will um post the let's see that case
so i think we had body cam on that one
that we posted a while ago because that
was in las cruces new mexico
so i think we covered that case as well
maybe we can put put a link to it and i
think i actually did like a body cam
donut operator style review on that
video so
yeah if you go back through we
definitely cover that one in depth more
than almost any other case because it is
uh
it is a pretty tragic case
so that's going to be it for us this
week i hope everybody has a good and
safe weekend and we will see you here on
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