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[Music] all right what type of training do you have with new mexico stickies i have a training from uh from dui training to investigation training interrogation training uh traffic light training and uh weapon qualifications as well are you on any specialty teams yes sir what special teams are you i'm in the full-time k-9 unit how long have you been okay it's been about four years i'm uh also a tfo with uh hsi for about the same time about four years uh would you say you have any training as far as on the patrol side that your average officer wouldn't have uh i will say maybe with uh conducting a drugs modeling cases uh traffic stops involving uh that type of cases would you say like interdiction training training is that both through the state or is that some federal training you've had so it's uh with the state uh some but uh after that it's kind of a federal training as well okay yes okay and then i think that's it as far as you know your uh job description and whatnot uh so mr palomares today we are doing an investigation on to an officer-involved shooting incident that happened february 4th 2021 is that sound about right to you yes mr promise if you can start from the beginning of the very first uh i would say knowledge that you had of this investigation slash into this suspect uh all that do you understand yes sir okay go ahead and start from again let me know if uh if you need if you need a break or if i need to stop the notes okay yeah you're good okay so again i'm assigned to uh to hsi i have a single purpose uh canine duck and he's only for for narcotics he's not for patrol he's not to attack his only narcotic single purpose um i had a dog for about three four years in my involvement with this case started back in january 28th i remember the hsi supervisor mark thomas called my phone and he had asked if i could uh help him uh conducting to conduct a whisper stuff for them he told me that the car was gonna be a black honda sedan no no license plate calnes told me that apparently the car was going to be driven by omar cueva felix and he also stated that uh the target has sold some fentanyl pills to the undercover agent at the labs gas station down on i-10 mile marker 132. um supervisor khan is stated to me that uh cuellar felix was acting very paranoid throughout the drug deal he stated that he actually took a picture had taken a picture from one of the undercover units assisted with this case and he presented a picture to the undercover agent supervisory conus also stated that uh he had multiple fentanyl pills heroin and he also mentioned a fully loaded ak-47 that was gonna be located between the driver's seat the center council i didn't ask for location for the possible narcotics so at that point i called my uh well i'll go back into clarification i traffic was very heavy around this time and i told the supervisor comments that uh due to having a heavy traffic i was probably not going to engage in a vehicle pursuit if the suspect wouldn't stop due to high traffic and he agreed to that right after that after we finished uh having that conversation i called the new mexico state police canine sergeant run with and i notified him about the details and about this case all the details incl also in including uh details for that they had told me that uh cueva felix had already uh charges for felony drug uh charges in the past in the state of california so i notified that to my to my sergeant and i notified uh a weapon involved as well so my sergeant advised me to uh that i was okay conducting the traffic stop as long as i had a secondary unit to back me up at that moment i remember calling a new mexico state police officer alfonso montes and i requested for his assistance he was not too far from my area which was around i-10 by the corralitos area and he agreed to help me on the traffic stop we set up around mile marker 114 114 and we pretty much just waited there for instructions from the hsi agents about the exact location for the suspect and any other updates about 10 to 20 minutes passed through and i received an online call from supervisor candace and he told me that uh he didn't need to do the stuff anymore from what he told me when i can recall he stated that uh the target has sold all the fentanyl pills to the undercover agent so that's my initial uh involvement with this case uh that was january 28th uh so some sometime passed in about uh february first i remember receiving a phone call from hsi special agent matthieu rodriguez and he asked me if i could assist with a whisper stop for omar cueva felix a special agent told me that the target was supposed to be picking up drugs from the phoenix area and he was supposed to bring the drugs to uh the damning area um however i told uh special agent rodriguez that i was not gonna be able to assist him with this traffic stop for the same person that i was working on hotel county by us 54 so it was pretty hard for me to do all that to them he understood and he said that he was gonna try to uh to maybe get all their units to contact the staff um so the the following day i remember we uh seen an email from uh fusion uh and it was a bolo a bolo for uh omar cueva felix i remember seeing the bolo and it talked about the possible drug smuggling case from arizona to new mexico i also remember that he typed that he was known to carry weapons that's what i can remember from the polo some time passed and i believe that it was around february 3rd when uh special agent uh rodriguez called me again and uh he told me that uh he asked me again for for my assistance trying to stop uh well marco felix um and and i agreed to help him um i agreed to help him he advised me that they were gonna have a briefing at the hsi office in las cruces the following day which was going to be a thursday he mentioned that it was going to be 10 in the morning and i advise him that uh since i already knew all the details to to the target and i thought that i was probably gonna be able to make it and i just told him to to keep me posted or of any updates or any changes to that case and he he agreed to that right after that i remember receiving two emails from uh special agent rodriguez um the first one was in reference to the location and time to the briefing for the this case and the second one was in reference to a time change which it was a temporary same location i never opened the initial attachment from a special agent's original email after the fact after this case i never knew about the take by bust that was supposed to take place in the event that new mexico's the police units would not be able to conduct the traffic stop i never knew about the bypassed it was i was just getting the the last emails uh i guess the new emails to this like chain email it was a multiple emails multiple replays and i was getting ready and i i didn't get i didn't open the original email they didn't even know that it was like actually they're talking about the bypass so the the following day uh thursday february 4th i remember that i went to work around 10 or 10 30 in the morning and i remember that i actually drove straight to to i-10 interstate 10 to the around the lab's gas station area and i was just going straight to i tend to to wait for instructions for the instructions from the hsi agents and i remembered that uh hsi hsi special agent rodriguez called me he called my cell phone and i remember that he mentioned that he has spoken with um we talked and i told him i'm ready to go i'm ready to help you guys with the assist and everything so but then after that he mentioned that he has spoken with new mexico state police supervisor madrid he stated that he had requested a units from deming or las cruces area to to stop targets vehicle in case they will see it in the world um however i i still don't know why why he requested assistance from uh regular patrol units when they don't even have a k-9 units um for state police i was the only k-9 unit from step police available in the south during that time the all they can and you know was off he was his dad anyway so i don't understand the reason if we had a plan why he went ahead and asked for assistance to that i don't know i never asked anything i was just gonna wait and take care of business and conduct my traffic stop um so some time passed and um i remember calling my my supervisor my canine sergeant sergeant wood and i informed him about uh about the traffic stop again and again i provided the same details that uh already had from the previous uh conversations with the agents and he he agreed for me to to help with the traffic stop and again he just instructed me to have a second unit to contact the stop not to do it by myself at that time i remember calling one of the new mexico state police unions officer jose barron requested for assistance to see if he could help me do this stuff like he was already busy assisting lcpd uh right after that i remember calling mexico state police officer alfonso montes and he agreed to help me with the traffic stop he stated that uh he was already done doing bin inspections and he agreed to help we uh set up uh night 10 near mile marker 127 and again we're just uh waiting for the vehicle and um one thing that i remember that special agent rodriguez or or supervisor comments they never told me to cancel the traffic stop that's why i was still in place set up because they never told me to cancel even that after they had a made arrangements with other possible patrol units to do the stuff they never cancel me on that on this case so i waited around the one marker 127 and i remembered that uh special agent joshua laughter he was the one that was pretty much updating me of the target's vehicle i remember that he sent the pictures with the target's vehicle and the first picture that i can remember it was a a white uh buick sedan uh duke suv and he told me that uh he didn't know that i i know license plate we couldn't figure out the license plate so that was the first picture for the possible target that he was going to be driving right after i received that picture uh special agent rodriguez called me and he stated that uh the target was supposed to be in that white buick along with his wife and one kid so and that was the the first initial target speaker a few minutes later i remember receiving another text message from special agent laughter and he sent me a picture of a white single cap chevrolet pickup truck it was a long bed pickup truck and i remembered that he had a black headache rack no license plate we couldn't tell on the license plate but that was supposedly the updated targets vehicle during the conversation with a special agent laughter i remember that he he mentioned that they were going to try to have las cruces damien or las cruces patrol units to snag the vehicle again i didn't ask the reasons why i was still in place waiting for the vehicle to come towards chris's didn't ask any questions um he also stated that uh he was pretty much giving the updates on the vehicle description in location as he was coming towards las cruces i remember that he mentioned that uh he said after he said that uh las cruces and deming units that were they were not trying to have them to stop the vehicle i remember him saying that they were already set up at the 102 mile marker on night time so to me is something like the staple these units ready to assist again i didn't ask any more questions and and then he kept on updating the location for the targets vehicle the white pickup truck and the last location that i remember he said that he was on i-10 passing mile marker 92 eastbound and that's the last location that he advised me and then um right after that maybe just a few minutes after that conversation i remember remember special agent rodriguez he called me and he told me that uh state police had conducted a traffic stop on the target speaker 100 mile marker and which makes sense after having that conversation with laughter that he was going to be around that area iron officer montes was able to see in his computer that uh unit 1251 had a initial had initiated a traffic stop he was showing him on the traffic stop around mile marker 100 and that made sense after talking to him and issue science that he was going to be the the target's vehicle unit 1251 um i didn't know officer jarrett i didn't have his phone number to communicate with him so i don't know who was communicating officer jared the the uh descriptions for the target speaker i don't know if it was issue site direct calling him and giving him the exact location and exact vehicle description that i don't know how he was able to get that information so a few minutes passed and again like uh rodriguez coming stated that they had conducted the traffic stop and he also mentioned that uh the srt was uh very near to the traffic stop and he told me that they were making sure that everything was okay with the traffic stop and uh that helped me feel better because it's having you know the information about the totality the circumstances i feel comfortable that uh the srt was pretty much keeping nice on the officer doing the stuff right after that i we officer montes and i we started driving to to deming area to go and assist uh 51 and we were we went to check on him but also i went to the traffic stop i was trying to go to the traffic stop in case i needed a k-9 deployment and assistance with vehicle search we started driving towards the stop when nms new mexico state police in dispatch called my phone and they wanted information about the stop for 1251 and i just pretty much told them that uh we were headed that way to for a possible canine deployment and possible vehicle search they told me that uh in and i advised them what the hsi had told me that uh diacious hsi srt was near the traffic stop making sure that everything was okay and after that they told me that they were doing a weapon check on 1251 and they advised me that he was not responding to that welfare check i told them just you know that i was told that srt is there but keep on doing that welfare check just in case just to make sure and we kept on driving towards 12 51 right after that conversation with uh dispatch i remember that uh special agent rodriguez uh called my phone and he sounded extremely concerned and [Music] he was he sounded very concerned and disturbed the way he was talking and right after he told me that a state police officer wasn't down at that point right after that conversation with him oh and then he told me that uh he he stated state police officer is down and he told me that uh the targets vehicle continued traveling east on my tent towards las cruces and after i hang out with rodriguez um i remember hearing the dispatch and the mexico police in dispatch airing out the officers down and based on the information that i had on the targets vehicle i went ahead and provided this patch with uh targets vehicle which was the white pickup truck i did not know if they had that information or not i just wanted to make sure that they have the right information and um officer montes and i continue traveling westbound on night 10 towards 12 51 with lights and sirens already on we were trying to to to assist uh and i'll say about uh mile marker 113 113. now i spotted the white pickup truck he was traveling uh eastbound at this location um officer montesson and i crossed uh the median with the lights and sirens still on and i remember that we attempted to to start the suspects vehicle the fleeing suspect um i'm going to do clarification uh right before this before having bishop from the ypca truck i told officer montes that we should look for a location to to do the stop spikes and right after that officer montes advised me that the spikes will not have any effect on the violent fleeing suspect he stated that we we should instead try to shoot throughout the windshield to to stop him from harming any other people like he didn't say to harmony or any other people but that's that's what's making sense and that's why he probably said that so right after that i have issue on the vehicle going eastbound on nighttime my marker 113. we turned around got behind the vehicle uh trying to to stop it but uh the yp truck never stopped actually the the driver he was going fast he was traveling at a high rate of speed i said he was traveling about 90 to 92 to 105 miles per hour still on eastbound and i remember that he kept on driving on the lane number one and lane number two he was driving erratically as well so i believe that it was about three miles after chasing the white pickup truck i remember that the vehicle started to slow down right before uh mile marker 116 which was an exit in at first i thought that he was gonna take that exit but then he didn't uh he actually stopped uh on the highway uh he stopped between the exit and the bridge right next to the exit uh the bridge located of the exit that's where he stopped i remember that the truck stopped uh very fast and all i can remember that the driver's door opened up immediately and i remember a male subject with long hair uh getting out of the driver's area very fast everything happened so fast but that's like that's the details that i can remember i remember that uh the object had his uh both hands stretched out towards myself but i couldn't tell what kind of uh he was holding an object but i couldn't tell exactly what kind of object and right after that i remember that uh seeing some kind of like smoke coming from the from the driver's hands and before i realized that this subject and the suspect was uh shooting at me in office romantics nah i was at that time i was still inside my unit because everything happened so fast and actually i i got extremely scared uh i've never been in that situation before it's nothing that happens every day and i i fear for my life um i fear for my life at that moment but i i knew that i needed to act i needed to act on this uh incident so i didn't want to stay inside my union because i knew that the windshield was uh was not going to protect me from from the rounds coming towards myself so i i remember grabbing my rifle from my unit and i ran outside my unit and i remember running towards the back of the unit and i went to take cover to the right front area of my unit i cannot remember if it was kneeling or just squatting but i remember that the suspect was still shooting round stories myself and i actually remember hearing the rounds at a very close distance and again i was out here for my life because i didn't know what was going to happen however i i knew that i needed to to act and my only instinct was to do fire rounds back to to the suspect to stop the threat i wanted to stop them from trying to harming us or other people so i have to fire my my rifle i believe that i run i fire about five to ten rounds um i could not tell if i was striking the suspect or the truck i couldn't tell it was a fairly it was kind of a far distance right after that i will say about maybe a few seconds later the suspect he got back in his uh in the white pica truck and i remember that he was uh driving away when i still shot i can't remember if he was one or two rounds as he was driving away but uh i did it because i knew that he already taking an officer down and he tried to to kill us so i knew that i needed to at least try to disable the vehicle or him stop stopping from trying to harming other people so i did it out of frustration i wanted him to to stop uh from hurting other people i don't think that i was able to hit the suspect or the vehicle at that point as he kept on driving so at that moment i remember uh getting inside my unit um and continuing with uh with that change the vehicle pursued on 910 eastbound and i remembered that uh we were approaching uh the border patrol checkpoint uh i don't recall the mile marker but uh we're still going eastbound and i remember that i seen the back window of the white pickup truck uh like exploding and i remember seeing some kind of like smoke coming out of the back window and that's when i realized that uh the suspect the driver was shooting uh towards my unit again it's not nothing i see every every day so i got i got pretty scared i got pretty scared and i fear for my life again uh because i knew that the windshield wasn't gonna protect me much and i was in direct fire of the the suspect i was right behind the white pickup truck so my only reaction at this moment was to uh kind of like go back to the to go to the right lane that slowly and i believe that i even drove on the shoulder for a few i cannot remember exactly but i was just trying to stay out of the direct fire and make myself safe throughout this spawn at this time i don't know where officer montes was how far to me but i knew he was behind me but i don't know how far he how far he was for my unit so we continued with the vehicle search the driver he was still driving erratically as he was going against speeding uh between 90 and 105 miles per hour he was waving pretty bad driving at some point he was even driving in the center of the road not even in a lane and i noticed that the traffic started to get extremely heavy i remember a lot of semi trucks so the suspect started to pass traffic on the shoulder at this location i believe that it was after mile marker 127. he started to pass on the shoulder and i believe that he did it for about maybe two three miles i cannot remember exactly and then after that i noticed uh i remember seeing that white pickup truck driving into the center meeting trying to avoid the spikes and this took place around mile marker 132-ish around that area um right after that the suspect was able to get back on the road and continue eastbound on nighttime right after this moment there were multiple units and there were some units between my unit and the suspect's vehicle so uh at moments i i didn't have a full uh visual for the white pikachu right so what i did i told the dispatch i told them to have the second unit take over comps because i didn't have a visual on the vehicle anymore i had the issue on enough but not very clear because i was kind of far at this point and that's when i don't know what unit exactly to cover the the cops i don't know if it was state police lcpd or the hana county sheriff i don't know who took over the pursuits i do not recall i continue on eastbound behind the other units but i do not recall seeing the the lcpd unit conducting the pit on the ypca truck all i remember that i arrived on scene after the white pickup truck had been stopped disabled and i remember getting off my unit and still have my rifle because i didn't know what was happening exactly i didn't have a clear view i got off my unit with my rifle and i remember multiple officers trying to to hang up uh the suspect the one that had been inside the white pickup truck i remember that he was already laying down on the on the ground and i also remember seeing blood from the back of his head and inside the mouth right after that i looked to the other side and i remember that uh multiple officers were trying to assist officer adrian de la garza and i remember seeing blood on uh it appeared that he had it on the right armpit but i couldn't know exactly but that's why i saw the blood after they cut out the uniform and that's pretty much my my involvement with this case you mentioned hsi's supervisor i don't know if i misheard you mark thomas collins congress called us comments with uh kate yes k-a-l-n-a-s yes yes and then you had mentioned another uh hsi agent you said laughter or uh joshua not there joshua yes sir yes i don't i know him or not but he has takes him in the locations well you're for sure on that name uh yes that's what i have from online complex okay did you ever have a contact with an agent no no okay okay if you don't mind if we can primarily focus on your discharge first and then go back in some of their details that work for you um when you said he pulled over about the 116 up to that point there was no rounds being exchanged he wasn't firing at you at that point that you're aware of that is correct can i add a little bit so that is correct but based on the information about taking an officer down and not stopping for our units i have reasons to believe that he was probably trying to to stop and try to ambush us at that area that's why that's why i uh i slowed down as well i wanted to be safe i just wanted to add that and and you create the distance between his vehicle stopping and your vehicle stopping is that anywhere similar to a normal traffic stop that would have been greater uh it would be less space on a regular traffic stop okay so i created these things again based on the information uh i have reasons to believe that he was not trying to shoot back okay like how he had done the problem with the other officer and you described um when you're still in your unit he's exiting his unit his hands are extended out in front of him you're still sitting in your driver's seat or your vehicle correct you have been very pissed okay and just to kind of elaborate or kind of accentuate what you're saying you see his hands extended out to you and you see smoke coming from its hands correct you're still positioned inside of your vehicle at that time correct as far as your that's shooting right at the 116 um could you estimate about how many shots you heard from he's coming from his side man maybe between 10 or 15 or 10 and 20 i i don't know and then when he said his arms are sent so you never was able to identify rifle or handgun correct i just noticed that he had an object but i it happened so fast and i was thinking about my safety i couldn't identify the object and i know this is going to be difficult as well um being around firearms or qualifications and stuff like that your handgun versus your rifle could you distinguish at that point or could you just hear gunshots um it sounds loud it's something fairly loud okay even due to the distance it sounded fairly loud yes so i couldn't say that it was louder than a regular handgun maybe so when you said you filed you fired one or two rounds as he was leading um and you're trying to disable the vehicle you're trying to shoot the tire or towards the suspect either yes uh yes either i just wanted to stop them from harming other people um you said you continued engaging in the pursuit as you continue going out and then you said right around the border patrol checkpoint you see that back window explode out correct okay and then he began shooting at at that point right yes could you distinguish what he was shooting i i couldn't because it was a hand rack in the dark windows all i remember seeing uh glass all over in smoke consistent with uh with rounds but i couldn't tell what uh he was using exactly okay would you say um right there where you he started you start seeing the glass explode um so i think you had cetera did you start spacing yourself further yes i get a safe um a greater distance and i didn't drive right behind direct him i actually started driving on on the right lane and maybe at some point on the shoulder okay so that one time you were the primary correct primary pursuit officer yes it happened from uh small marker 113 all the way to approximately my marker 132 132 um any reason why or um how did you not become the primary officer anymore did you really just voluntarily relinquish or just i have no idea until this moment i i don't know um i don't know i don't know why they decided to change things last minute no as far as the pursuit of the vehicle yeah yeah what was i uh because you were first the primary pursuit officer correct correct so after 132 something happens yes did you become third or fourth right yes so there were multiple units uh so at that point some other units uh got it between the suspect speaker and my unit so that's that's the reason they're just jumping on or turning around uh i just remember seeing probably coming out of the median or i don't know where they came so now they just converge in between you guys yes when it comes to stop you so you didn't see the pit maneuver done by the officer when you exit your vehicle you have your rifle with you do you hear any rounds going off or anything i don't remember i don't recall her in here you know but you go up and you see you know them trying to cuff him and then you see dela guards are correct correct the rifle that you have is a department issued correct okay uh two two three uh it's uh yes ar-15 and one clarification um right after uh the suspect was already secure and uh officer lagassa was being taken care of i uh i gave my rifle to uh new mexico state police sergeant antonio palomares and he secured my rifle in this unit i forgot to add that to clarification um you were subsequently i believe brought here to new mexico state police for what we call the processing of the officer is that correct correct okay what those photographs and download and everything that was taking place here is that a true representation of how you were on this day at work yesterday based on your experience with uh hsi what is your definition of a whisper stop whisper stuff is when you have information on a vehicle that is uh carrying a possible narcotics it's when an agent calls you and gives you all the details and he still wants us to do a well of tropic stuff that's pretty much uh a whisper step uh uh we still have to find our own probable cost but we have to play that like a regular traffic stop and based on the information that we have from the agents we that's when we take action and uh subsequently ask for consent to search and locate the narcotics based on your experience uh well i guess i would take it you've done a handful of these for hsi dea other federal agencies correct i do this this uh kind of stops uh whisper stuffs very often i do it for hsi and for other federal agencies as well normally uh based off your experience um what is the reasoning to do with for stop rather than continue with with the operation so one of the reasons that i can think of right now it's uh they don't want to burn the ci the confidential informant and um they want us to to do a well out so they don't burn the ci or days when i do um sometimes they don't have the money to purchase the drugs so they want us to do the stuff to intercept them before he gets to the undercover agent could you give me an estimate on how many uh the how many kind of stops these whisper stops have you done to where they're watching you as well where hsi or dea or any other agencies watching you mean like near tropics it's not too common um i mean they are close by but they're not that close or even with the srt it's common but not too commenting have they ever stopped on your traffic stop hardly ever okay have you ever any kind of alluded to a little bit about the srt have they ever requested you do any stops and informed you that an srt team is going to be there close by or just agents no just agents i i don't recall at this moment having srt right close to my traffic stop like i don't remember that with that information of you know an srt team being close by would that affect your processing you're thinking about conducting this stop or how you would do it or or anything would it change any dynamic of your thought process of the stop the systems so first i didn't know that srt was gonna be with me but if that would be the case um it would have changed things because i know that i was not going to be able to conduct a uh clear well-loved stuff it was probably jeopardize the wall off uh so that would have changed everything yes okay and you had mentioned earlier about the string of emails that you saw the initial one but you didn't get the information about the srt correct okay until what point did you find that out after that after the incident yes sir and you said in that string of visit to your state police account correct okay and i know sometimes it you'll get like some information and it'll be like dot dot dot another one dot dot dot and stuff like that so without opening it all the way up you weren't able to see that original one correct i just got the most recent one which was the location in time for the briefing like the original one so many replies and i didn't even see that one okay and then subsequently after the fact being able to go back into your email and seeing that original it was the bolo correct it was the bypassed uh he said that it was uh uh in case the nmsp will not be able to conduct the traffic stop they were gonna try to do a bike bust okay did i describe where uh i believe it was in las cruces area okay okay you talked about the the fusion bowl okay do you receive that on your your email correct okay and what district do you work out of like which your primary just to consider uh d4 las cruces but i'm assigned to that canine and we're mobile but most of the time i'm stationed here in las cruces okay um so your only conversation is with matt rodriguez correct uh yeah as far as phone yes right yes okay and he'd never tell you he never identifies the other new mexico state police officers involved in this no no but he tells you there's somebody involved right he told me that he had requested assistance but i didn't know who he was or okay i forgot what time it was but we had a well he showed us um a message uh a picture of a cat you sent that to him like showing uh 12 uh officer jared was in this area right uh do you remember maybe maybe because i remember that we uh we saw 12 51 around that area and i couldn't even i even forgot about that but that's possible yes i didn't even remember about that but that's very possible because we uh we have access to that cat and we can see that location so that's that's very possible yesterday okay did you ever direct message anybody within state police on that day reference this operation slash traffic stop yes the only one it was officer alfonso montes and that was to send them the pictures for the targets vehicle other than that uh no no i'm just uh sergeant wood and he was over the phone and you never had any contact with sergeant madrid no no no never people were you aware of um officer here making the stop or did you just see that what's on the cab or was it not until rodriguez called you and told you about this so talking to uh rodriguez he had told me that he was gonna probably have units to attempt to stop it in ancient uh laughter so i had heard you know that they were probably gonna try however i was never a cancer i was i was still waiting no good vehicle but you you never heard the i don't know how your guys's systems kind of work sometimes any radio transmission from monster jared making a stop or no no because uh we were in the d4 district channel and sometimes we can hear but not all the time okay but we didn't hear anything and i i don't know if he uh called this bench or he did ourself initially we don't know that that's a possibility as well okay on this day did you have a hsi radio uh i have one in my unit that they left there a long time ago but battery is dead it wasn't even working it's somewhere in my unit but it's not it's not working i don't even have a charger for it in any real-time updates was directly from agent rodriguez correct via telephone or text correct rodriguez and laughter joshua okay so based off all the knowledge that you knew of the dope being in the vehicle possible firearms um did you learn of anything else that and the pictures being taken anything else that occurred on that uc deal prior uh no just uh being paranoid taking pictures from the uc right having previous charges for drugs in california no that's it okay so based off of all that that you knew um you contacted uh montes for have to have a secondary correct uh i know would you have done the traffic stop although no based off all that that you knew now after talking to the agents to ancient uh comics uh it didn't feel right it didn't feel right from the traffic stop it appeared that uh the guy it sounded like he was high on drugs so in weapons that didn't it didn't sound right they didn't feel right so that's why i test for a second if if you don't mind a little bit later on once we step out of here would you allow us to look at your phone and kind of see those messages yep that's fine yeah yeah and along those lines you had asked me for copies of the emails yes and you may already have them so i actually don't okay so because i know they'd be two so those are the emails that you requested there they are he said this is the first year i learned that srt through these well after you yeah after the incident i yes sir so in regards to srt's involvement it was just roger get saying hey we're going to have one close by correct you didn't know the details at all i didn't know about the whole takedown or yeah is it normal for you to not uh participate in one of their briefings prior to a traffic stop uh it is it happens a lot yes um because i'm just doing the traffic stuff so i already have all the details i know that he's gonna be passively armed so i already have a second unit i know he's gonna have drugs i have my dog you know and some experience may be searching the car so it happens very often a lot of times it's just you know but it happens something that i don't attend to sergeant wood never tried to tell you to not do the truck stop uh no he's told me to to have a second you know these are the emails that you provided however there's no response from you to these emails no no i don't think i responded at all i don't think so okay were you ever provided with and i know the emails don't show up but any type of ops plan anything like that no was there every discussion of like contingency plans of the stop not stop other than if we don't stop on them we'll do the bust no you never even call me so as far as you knew you were going to be the stop nothing else further nothing else before correct is there anything that we haven't asked that you guys think is important that maybe one point to bring up i'm good but if you don't know i think you guys pretty much covered uh everything okay well officer palamados like once again i i want to thank you for coming in giving the statement i know this is a tough thing to process uh but i'm glad you're safe i'm glad you're okay and thank you thank you thank you guys yeah did you all want to look at the phone yes yes okay but we can do that okay including this
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