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good afternoon this is Daniel here with
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well and let's get into it so while
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while we're going through some of these
cases so the first case that I want to
talk about it's actually something
that's going on right now so it's very
possible that while we're live on this
show that this case might get resolved
and it's the Antonio Brown case so most
people know Antonio Brown is a wide
receiver in the NFL he played for years
with the Pittsburgh Steelers then he uh
went to a couple other teams he he was
with Tom Brady in New England for a
while and this is the Antonio Brown
watch absolutely so you know I think
most recently he was with the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers and he did something pretty
strange where essentially he left Midway
through the game he just stopped playing
you know it's kind of like in uh office
space you know where it's uh you know
are you gonna quit no I'm just gonna
stop going you know he just he just
stopped going and he left it was the
strangest thing so um people who've kind
of been following Antonio Brown on he's
been on different podcasts he has a
music career now but anyone who's kind
of followed him or listened him recently
you can kind of see that something isn't
right with him so he was on a podcast
the Patrick Bet David show probably
about three weeks ago when I listened to
it and it just really sounded like he
was struggling and he was just really
aggressive the whole time it was kind of
reminded me of like Kanye West without
all the racism you know um but anyways
what's going on with Antonio Brown so he
lives in Tampa Florida and he has four
children with this woman with who's the
victim of this case and there is what he
did is he put up some type of a
makeshift note her and the four kids
they lived with Antonio Brown in this
house and what they did is they um he
put up a sign that basically let her
know that she's gonna be evicted so she
uh that she's going to be evicted from
the house and he gave her a date I think
it was November 28th that you know he
wanted her out like he posted this this
note on the door of his house
um at some point after that they did
have contact during this contact that's
where the alleged incident occurs so uh
what the police are reporting is that
it's essentially misdemeanor domestic
violence and what they are saying
happened because what the victim is
reportedly saying occurred is that
during a dispute he threw a lot of her
stuff and her possessions outside of the
outside of the house while he was doing
that he threw a shoe at her and the shoe
hit her ponytail and in talking with
with police she said that there weren't
any injuries or anything like that from
being hit in a ponytail you know you
typically wouldn't see an injury a
ponytail injury isn't you know a common
thing in domestic violence so but you
know she said something the effect of
well I think that he was intending that
he meant to actually throw the shoe at
my head so you know if you're throwing
something with the intent if the person
is in fear that could be assault so um
it looks like there are some and the
police then went and got a warrant so
there is some type of a misdemeanor
warrant for domestic violence for him
now so the police did go to the house
yesterday around 7 PM police officers
with the Tampa Bay Police Department
they went to his house and they tried to
contact him essentially he wouldn't have
any contact with police officers he
wouldn't let them in and you know he
barricaded himself you know inside the
house even though they let him know that
you know there is a warrant out for his
arrest during this he also had contact
with the victim again and he told her
something allegedly to the effect that
if you try to come back in the house and
at this point she wasn't trying to come
back into the house but he said if you
try to come back into the house I'm
going to shoot you even if the police
are present so that kind of heightened
uh tightened the tensions of everything
and the victim did confirm that Antonio
Brown does have at least two guns and it
was either a rifle or a shotgun that are
in the house as well so police have
surrounded the house and pretty much
since last night since 7 PM last night
up until about five minutes before this
show started um police are still
surrounding the house and um are trying
to make contact with Antonio Brown they
have publicly said this is the police
department has publicly said that you
know that they're not in any Rush that
they're not trying to force anything
that sounds like they're just going to
try to wait them out so you know we'll
see and I just have to wonder and I'm
curious what everyone on here thinks I
just have to wonder you know is this how
they normally treat individuals who are
accused of or have warrants for
misdemeanor domestic violence so is he
being treated differently because he's a
celebrity or is it because there was
that threat threat so not just the what
the warrant is for the misdemeanor
domestic violence but the allegation
that he did threaten to shoot the victim
as well you know even though you know
that even though you know she wasn't
present with him when he said that you
know you have to wonder is are the
police training it this seriously and
kind of refusing to leave because
normally for misdemeanor domestic
violence especially when the victim is
out of the house and they're safe you
know typically that's not something that
a team of 10 police officers sit on all
night long so let's see uh let's see uh
Sergeant George says Antonio Brown is as
close to being as dangerous as Ndamukong
Sue with the Detroit Lions yeah
absolutely haven't heard that name Donna
can sue in a in a while so
let's see yeah so that so you know we'll
keep you updated on that if something
happens if there's any breaking news
while we're on we'll we'll definitely
get to that and pretty much reported as
it's happening but you know I'll be
really curious if Antonio Brown you know
my guess is that he has he has food he
has drinks he has everything he needs
inside of this giant house so my guess
is if he wants to he can hold up there
longer than the police are willing to
stay there and you know typically for a
misdemeanor domestic violence that's not
the kind of thing that police officers
are normally going to do any kind of a
force entry or throw any kind of
chemical Munitions in so most police
departments have policies where you know
you can only do those type of things
um like breach entry if there's some
type of a felony crime so um I'm not
sure exactly what the laws are in
Florida but typically they take civil
liberties pretty seriously in Florida so
I'm guessing in Florida it's similar and
I would not expect the police officers
to force entry for a misdemeanor warrant
uh let's see Ego 10 normally the police
uh would have already brought the SWAT
team so I'm that you got 10 good good
question so I'm not so the officers who
are sitting outside that very well could
be could be the SWAT team I know that
it's surrounded by police officers not
sure if it's actually tactical members
who are there you know typically you
think it would be because Normal Patrol
officers who you know work a 10 hour
shift and they're supposed to be off at
a certain time so you would expect not
to want to tie up those officers so they
can't take calls for service and
typically um to sit on a perimeter would
be some type of a tactical team or
emergency response team that's what I
would guess
um and I think we have a poll up do you
have Antonio Brown on your fantasy
football team though most people
probably dumped him after he after he uh
quit halfway through uh so that's the
first case that I want to talk about
just because it's happening it's not the
most important case but it's happening
right now so you know if anything
happens with that we will we will let
you know uh the next case that I want to
talk about and this is one that I guess
there were several cases that were
similar to this and maybe I just haven't
been following but it's actually been in
the news so this is going back to uh
December of 2020. in New York City
during the black lives matter protest so
essentially what happened is there was a
black lives matter protest somewhere in
New York City during the protest the 54
year old woman named Kathleen Castillo
she was she was driving in her vehicle
and she had her daughter she's a mother
of three she had her daughter in the car
with her uh Kathleen said that she was
driving down a regular street she knew
that there was a protest but it was a
couple blocks away she wasn't purposely
trying to drive through a protest she
said that as she was driving down the
street she said the street appeared
clear like there wasn't anybody in it
she said as she was driving down the
street that essentially people came out
of nowhere kind of from the sidewalk and
stood in front of her car Miss Castillo
said that while they were in front of
her car they started to scream at her
yell at her and in her words she said
that they called her a white privileged
[ __ ] she said that they were not only
standing in front of the car and
preventing the vehicle from moving but
they were also pulling on the door
handles and banging on the windows at
that point the 54 year old mother of
three was afraid for herself and for her
29 year old daughter so she decided
instead of in the moment she believed
that her physical safety was in danger
and so what she decided to do is instead
of you know let them beat on the car and
break the window and pull her out and
you know drag her and stomp her face
into the ground instead of that she
decided that she was going to drive
forward so she did she actually drove
forward and when she did she ran over
nine different protesters so it's my
understanding that no one was uh
seriously injured or killed but there
were nine people who were hit by a car
who were injured so she she left the
scene you know police were called
um At first she wasn't arrested however
once the police did an investigation you
know probably some political pressure as
well she actually was charged so she was
charged with Reckless assault now
Reckless assault that's a felony crime
that's a pretty serious crime to be
charged with so we have to think about
this a couple ways is that you know what
it would was she in reasonable fear that
you know something her immediate safety
was in Jeopardy well it almost seems
like at this point again this case is
two years old it's just getting to the
the court stages now it seems like the
DA's office almost kind of agrees with
her and here's why I say that here's the
evidence for this so again this is uh
someone typically when you have someone
who uses a vehicle and runs over nine
people like that's a pretty serious
crime so obviously the D.A knows that
there are some mitigating circumstances
here so the D.A actually offered uh Miss
Castillo a plea deal and here's what the
plea deal uh consists of it consists of
no jail time six hours of community
service and she would lose her driver's
license for 18 months that's it that
would be the extent of the punishment so
essentially you know she hit nine people
with her vehicle and the D.A is pretty
much saying like this is the lowest that
we can possibly do um so out of
principle Miss Castillo through her
attorney has decided to not accept that
plea deal she's taken it to trial so the
attorney said that you know in in
speaking for Miss Castillo that you know
she doesn't feel like she did anything
wrong that you know she never wanted to
hurt anybody she never intended to hurt
anybody but through no fault of her own
she was put in a position where it was
reasonable that her life was in danger
she didn't want to be dragged out of the
car and beaten to death and these people
were banging on the car and they
appeared violent and that she took those
actions in order to save her life and
the life of her 29 year old daughter who
was in the car with her so that's what
the attorney said is that you know it's
really a principle this is a principal
fight you know kind of like they say in
Always Sunny this this is a principal
fight here but you have to look at it as
so if she's convicted of all the
different charges she could face seven
years in prison so
um you know it's and I'm the
conversation stations that her attorney
is having with her off the Record
obviously we're not going to know about
those but you would think any reasonable
attorney would be saying to her hey I
get it you're you have a principle on
this yes you don't think that you did
anything wrong but like here we are in
New York City you know a very you know
left-wing City so you're the jurors are
probably going to be people who may not
may have some some sympathy for
protesters who are blocking the road and
not letting traffic through
um so you know do you want to risk that
um you're risking sell you're 54 years
old you're risking seven years in jail
whereas here you could get six hours of
community service which is a joke I mean
at that point it's almost an insult so
just real quick it's almost an insult to
the people who were hit you know the the
victims I guess to say we're going to
give this person six hours of community
service no and no jail time it's almost
an insult to them like if I were a
victim I would say listen if you're not
going to go after jail time like this is
you think that me getting hit by a car
is only worth six hours of community
service so so it's almost an
embarrassing play and they just should
drop the charges completely because
obviously the DA's office doesn't think
it's that serious or that there's that
it would be very difficult for them to
prove these charges Beyond A Reasonable
Doubt otherwise they wouldn't be
offering such a low and a very unserious
um plea deal so you would think that the
attorney is probably and so in cases
like this a lot of times what happens is
you know judges allow
um judges allow uh defendants to either
plea no contest which essentially means
that you're pleading guilty but you're
not admitting any guilt essentially play
no contest would be acknowledging the
DA's office probably has enough to
convict me but I'm not but I'm not
admitting any guilt but it essentially
goes down officially as a guilty plea so
a lot of times that what happens there's
also something called a best interest
plea where you know it actually takes it
one step further where you're not
admitting you're not admitting guilt and
you're not even admitting that the D.A
you know has has the evidence it has
evidence to prove in court but you're
saying that given the totality of all
the circumstances this is in my best
interest to make this deal and I'm gonna
go ahead and do that so you would think
that um hopefully before she goes to
trial that her attorney will be able to
talk her into either a no contest plea
or a best interest plea uh let's see if
there's any comments on that uh she
needed uh the Kenosha kid rich Spillman
that's such a that's such a great
comment um because I think you're
referring to Kyle Rittenhouse and that's
something that I I didn't mention I'm
going to get to now so thank you Rich
Spillman for reminding me is that during
this time it's not like she's a regular
defendant who's been able to go about
her life she has been getting so much
hate
um not only on social media but she's
had to have police protection when she
comes to and from to and from Court
she's been docs people showing up at her
residence so she's really being harassed
by you know um people who are upset that
she decided to save her own life and not
get beaten to death in the middle of the
streets of New York City there's a lot
of people who think that was the wrong
decision for her to make um so so you
know essentially she's been called the
female Kyle Rittenhouse which you know
Kyle Rittenhouse he was not convicted of
anything you know it was proved that it
was self-defense so you know them
calling her the female Kyle Rittenhouse
they mean that it's some type of a
negative thing but you know really Kyle
Rittenhouse is um someone who was proved
to have not committed any crime so um if
that's the case then you know I I don't
think that's that big of a deal but yeah
she has been she has been called the
female Kyle Rittenhouse so you know
we'll see if she ends up taking this
case to trial or if she does take some
kind of plea again if I were
representing her I would do everything I
could that listen this is not worth it
even if it's a five percent chance
a two percent chance
um I get it's a principal fight but [ __ ]
you cannot risk seven years in prison
especially again if the if this was a
Tennessee jury
um then I think I like your chances but
this is a New York City jury if you're
in New York City LA or Washington DC and
you're looking at a jury of your peers
there um and you're not and you're on
the wrong side of the aisle um I don't
like your I don't like your chances
there uh let's see
um
Ego 10 the people who thought they were
tougher than her car were the ones who
made the wrong decision yeah they they
absolutely did um Ego 10 yeah so it's
it's one of those things where no you
never want anyone to get run over by a
vehicle I mean the goal is to have there
be no violence so that has to be a
couple things that has to be people in
vehicles need to be careful and
cognizant of how they're driving and
obviously not intentionally hit anyone
like Daryl Brooks like that's a crime
and crimes absolutely should be
prosecuted and people should face
punishment for that but if you are a
crowd of people and we have especially
during the protest of 2020 there were
examples all over the country where
windows were broken out of cars people
were dragged out of cars and almost
beaten to death so this has happened so
I guess what I'm saying is that it's for
her to think hey like my safety's in
Jeopardy like this is not an
unreasonable this is not an unreasonable
thing for her to be thinking given the
circumstances and I don't want to see
someone like that go to jail so I'm
hoping she works out some kind of plea
that you know morally and mentally she
can live with and live with it most
importantly not in prison uh let's see
uh Sergeant George of the self-defense
claim is a double-edged sword yeah
absolutely absolutely yeah so um yeah so
you know we'll definitely keep everybody
updated on that the next next case that
I want to talk about happened on
November 28th and it's a it's a it's a
terrible case and what this is going to
leave you as soon as you hear about this
case and most people I'm sure you have
heard about this you know what this is
going to make you think is how in the
world could this happen so what happened
on November 28th in a couple of last
week in Denver Colorado and essentially
a police officer was shot in the neck by
someone who was handcuffed and again you
have to ask yourself how could that
possibly happen because it just doesn't
make a whole lot of sense so essentially
what occurred was an individual was
driving a stolen vehicle in the Denver
area these are the allegations who's
driving a stolen vehicle in the Denver
area police officers tried to pull him
over he fled there was a short vehicle
pursue eventually he stopped the car on
his own you know he didn't wreck out and
crash or hurt anybody which is good but
at some point he he stopped the vehicle
got out and during a short Chase foot
chase that's when this individual was
apprehended so you know he was arrested
for having the stolen vehicle for
fleeing from police a search of the
individual and the vehicle found a
couple other things he had a [ __ ] ton of
fentanyl so they charged him with the
you know possession with intent to
distribute the fentanyl he also had a
firearm on him so he was charged with
whatever gun charges go along with that
as well so after he was placed under
arrest two other officers came they were
riding two men two officers in a vehicle
so um two officers were in the front of
the vehicle they were actually
transporting him to jail he was in the
back seat so while he's in the back seat
in handcuffs behind his back somehow he
had another handgun concealed and he
started shooting at the officers and
they actually shot and hit one of them
in the neck obviously causing serious
injuries and this situation
unfortunately does happen sometimes and
you know typically it's one of two
things are the reason why this happens
either what happened in this situation
where an individual has another weapon
another gun concealed somewhere on them
that the police for whatever reason just
didn't find during the search or and
this is more rare and this didn't happen
here is that a police officer or someone
in handcuffs is overpowered and
surprised by someone who's in handcuffs
or someone was able to flip their
handcuffs to the front and do a surprise
attack on the police officer overpower
them and take their gun so that does
happen that's you know thankfully that's
more rare but yeah but what happened
here is it seems like there just wasn't
a good enough search
um and that's that's that's a a an
absolute tragic thing that happened
because a police officer got shot in the
neck obviously the police officers
responded multiple officers ended up
shooting this guy he did survive and
he's being charged with attempted murder
on a police officer and and you know I I
know that it's easy as a police officer
to get complacent I know that I'm sure
that even myself in the first five
arrests I had my guess is my searches
were more thorough on the first five
than an arrest number 2000 so especially
when you know so it's easy to get
complacent it's easy to take these
shortcuts especially when you take these
shortcuts and you do something you know
maybe not exactly how you're supposed to
but it's good enough and if it works for
I think in this case the officer had on
seven years but you know if it works for
5 10 15 17 years of doing it a certain
way and everything has always worked out
okay just like with anything with any
job you can see officers getting
complacent so this is obviously just a
very horrible and sad tragic reminder to
always search good always search for
that second or third gun it just it just
it's really important to know that for
police officers that your safety is more
important than the temporary discomfort
of anyone that you have in custody under
arrest yes searching them a little extra
might be uncomfortable for them for a
couple seconds that's fine your safety
is far more important also and this will
come but in the investigation but you
have to think okay let's break this down
just a little bit a little bit closer a
little bit further how could this happen
so you know a lot of times when things
like this happen the officers who do the
transport to the individual to jail
aren't the officers who did the arrest
or who initially put the handcuffs on
usually those are two different groups
of officers the reason is a lot of times
the officers who actually made the
arrest they're writing the warrants
they're doing all the charging documents
they're doing all the paperwork a lot of
times
um you know a lot of times it it you
know the the arrest process and the
process of doing all the paperwork and
the evidence could take you know four or
five ten hours you know so if it takes
that long you know it's probably not the
same officer who did the arrest and did
all the paperwork who's also going to be
the one transporting the individual to
jail because you know people have
different shifts and you know new people
start so it's very common for a new
group of officers you know maybe this
happened at night and these you know
these officers you know have already
been held over for four hours so it's
reasonable to have new officers come in
who hey we've got eight hours left on
our shift and they're the ones who are
going to spend hour and a half taking
someone to jail so that's very
reasonable so you have to think when so
when it comes to so this guy had a
concealed handgun so you have to think
okay so the individual the officers who
first put the handcuffs on yeah you have
to search them at that point but then
there's a handoff at some point an
individual and it's not just a handoff
usually the handcuffs are switched as
well because you know I've got handcuffs
like those are my [ __ ] handcuffs you
know like if you take over the my
prisoner I'm taking my handcuffs back
and your handcuffs are going on right
otherwise you know everyone's handcuffs
would get mixed up and police officers
would be fighting each other and the
substation parking lots and we can't
have that you know so it's reasonable to
think that at some point new handcuffs
were put on this guy and the rule is and
it's most likely it's policy and female
police officers often have a pink
handcuff so you don't want to get caught
with that if that's not what you're into
you know
um but it's so you have to think that at
some point there was a handcuff there
was a handoff and the handcuffs were
switched so at that point it's likely
not just a good rule or good training or
good practice normal it's within Police
Department policy that hey when someone
goes into your car whether you are the
initial arresting officer or not and
you're transporting they're now your
responsibility anything that happened
before like it's that's that's that's
that's that's someone else's
responsibility this is your prisoner you
are responsible for searching them again
a lot of the time again that's actually
built into policy so I mean it's also
possible that this handgun was really
small and that it was concealed in a way
that you know 99 of officers may not
have found it or he had really bad baggy
pants on that's why it's so important
when you're doing searches to just be
slow and methodical and just do it the
same way every time but you know if you
feel something like know exactly what it
is um because we can't ever under so
someone who is going to not only put the
public in danger not only put police
officers in danger but they're going to
put themselves in great danger by
getting into a high-speed Pursuit with
police officers you just cannot ever
underestimate the aberrant behavior that
someone and like that might continue to
have so it looks like the uh it looks
like the uh let's see uh ritzvilleman
said gotta handle everyone like a loaded
gun yeah no the rich moment that that's
a great Point 100 Sergeant George being
complacent can get you killed as a
police officer yeah it absolutely can
and luckily it um luckily it didn't it
didn't this time and Sophia thank you
for the nice comment that is very nice
um but yeah so it's it's one of those
things it's just a good reminder for
police officers and this is the kind of
thing that this is the kind of case
that's going to be taught in academies
and instructors are going to come in and
talk about
um to to police officers and yearly and
monthly training and it's important to
do so and I don't want anyone to think
well you know I don't give a [ __ ] if you
think it is this isn't Monday Morning
Quarterback is saying well I would have
done stuff differently like no this is
something that happened an officer
almost died so no we all need to be
police officers they need to be aware of
exactly what happened out there if
anything the goal is to prevent it from
happening again so it is isn't Monday
Morning Quarterback because I'm no one's
sitting here saying I would have done it
better or I always do things perfectly
no everybody makes mistakes everybody
can be complacent on different things
and this is just an unfortunate tragic
reminder that stuff like that like
Sergeant George and Rich Spillman said
can get you killed which is a tragic
thing as it looks like the officer is
going to survive they have serious
injuries and we will keep you up to date
on that case so you know that case is
that we just finished you know kind of
had uh I like to do contrast when it
comes to stories is that case kind of
had police officers you know not really
it's there wasn't bad intent on the part
of police officers but this story is bad
intent on the part of the police officer
so this is the catfish cop case so you
know I think everybody knows about this
this is an absolutely crazy case so it's
a police officer from Virginia he was a
Virginia state trooper for less than a
year so it wasn't a cop for very long he
left that job and then he got hired on
by another department recently I think
within the last couple weeks what he did
he's 28 years old and listen I know that
the media likes to play this game but if
you see his pictures they are just
creepy he looks like a creep and I know
the media plays this game where whenever
there's a police officer involved they
go when they pull and they find the
absolute worst picture of the cop and
then they find the most handsome picture
of the of the bad guy of the murder
suspect but yeah but I mean if you look
at this guy's pictures he looks like an
absolute creep but he's a 28 year old
former state trooper um he had been on
the job for less than a year just
started with a smaller Department in
Virginia what he did is he catfished so
you know he pretended to be someone else
uh online yeah and I I think it's
important to say that if you don't think
that Netflix is just just just itching
to get their hands on this story for for
a a show you that you're absolutely
wrong they 100 are this is the are this
is going to be everywhere at some point
as uh the next Tiger King so what he did
is he catfished so he pretended to be
someone else on the internet exactly who
he pretended to be well it just isn't
known he could have pretended to be
another 15 year old girl he could have
pretended to be a 15 year old boy who
knows but he pretended to be someone
else online he was able to befriend this
15 year old girl and unfortunately she
gave him her address he drove from
Virginia to Riverside California which
is about 2 000 miles once he got to her
house in Riverside California she lives
at that house with her mother and her
grandparents he killed the mother he
killed the grandparents he set the house
on fire though the whole house didn't
burn down he set the house on fire and
he kidnapped the girl um once he was
kidnapped um the girl he he went off and
I believe eventually he was they were
apprehended and there was a shootout
with police in in a different state it
was it was pretty far away where where
the the shootout actually happened but
one of the reasons why people called
police in the first place and why they
they kind of got to jump on this it
wasn't just the gunshots in the fire but
as the the 15 year old girl was being
put into his car neighbors saw so they
didn't see the shooting obviously but
the neighbor saw that you know she
looked like she was in distress people
so people people called police early on
because of that because something just
didn't seem right with how she was
getting into the vehicle so police were
on this pretty quick there was a Chase
eventually
um the individual got into a shootout
with police officers he was killed no
police officers were killed and I
believe the 15 year old did have some
injuries but she's alive which is the
absolute most important thing uh
Sergeant George says the trooper is
exactly the same age as me I'm 28 years
old as well I think Sergeant George is
uh uh uh maybe he is 28 I think he's
trying to catfish me here uh so yeah so
it's um yeah this guy actually was this
guy actually was um 28 years old but um
but yeah it's an absolute tragic thing
and and listen I know that anytime
something like this happens with a
police officer
um you know it's it's a really
Sensational stories and and stories like
this are tragic not just because of what
he did for a living
um and I should point out that you know
it the fact that he was a police officer
so this makes it a sensational story
this is going to make it an Netflix hits
but it really just isn't that relevant
because there's no evidence that he did
any of this on duty meaning like he
didn't catfish are saying he was a
police officer so it didn't seem like he
was using his position as the police
officer to do any of this
um he didn't do this in his home state
so it's not like he was doing strange
things on duty and that's kind of what
we're hearing is that this guy just
didn't have any red flags in his
background that he was hired by the
state police he made it through the
academy he worked there less than a year
then he transferred to a smaller
Department that needed police officers
and when you have someone who's passed
all the training and you know really
literally doesn't have anything strange
in their background like you know Police
Department recruiters and police Chiefs
and people who are running police
departments whether you believe it or
not they aren't psychic and they can't
look into people's hearts and just
through their eyes even this Guild this
guy does look really creepy you know
that no one would know that this is
something that could possibly happen
when you've literally lived a life of 28
years
with no other issues so um so it just
isn't like I said it's and it doesn't
appear that obviously more information
could come out but at least at this
point doesn't appear that he did
anything strange on duty so um yeah the
fact that he's a police officer just
isn't that relevant but it does make the
case a more uh Sensational case um and
again the the employer said that there
were no red flags or no reason why why
um he shouldn't have been shouldn't have
been hired so we'll we'll definitely
um keep an eye on that let's see uh
uh Liz said wait so he was on one
department for a year failed field
training and went to another department
so uh Liz that's that's a really good
point so a lot of times so we you're
right what I would think is that so you
have to think yourself okay so you get
hired on with the police department you
go through the training you're not even
with them for enough cops transfer
departments for all the time for
different reasons and most of the time
there's nothing wrong with that right
but you know typically that transfer
doesn't happen within the first year and
that's for a couple reasons usually you
put all this time and effort going into
a police academy you at least want to do
something with that department that put
you through so leaving so soon doesn't
make a lot of sense and most police
departments you're on probation for a
year so you know the way it is is if you
look if you ever look at like Okay
police departments are gonna looking for
lateral so you know officers from
different departments to come and work
for them most of the time they say
non-probationary so they want you off
the probation period a lot of police
departments say you have to be working
for three years you have to be working
there for for five years so you know
there aren't a lot of police departments
who who
there aren't that many police
departments who you know after being on
for less than a year you know are going
to take those kinds of people so yeah
there have to be questions there but you
know it's one of those things who knows
what he could have said and and just and
Liz just just just so you know um
there's no indication that he failed uh
field training the indication is is that
he he passed field training and he had
no open Internal Affairs investigations
um so at least that's what's being
obviously other things could come out
Liz but that's what's being reported
right now but yeah you would think that
I mean there could be a lot of reasons
why someone transfers to a different
Police Department maybe you're like you
know what state police oh [ __ ] when I'm
off probation they're going to transfer
me to the other side of the state you
know I kind of want to stay local so you
know so imagine being a smaller police
department and you have someone who
another department just paid sixty a
hundred thousand to put this guy through
training
um he has a good history he's worked for
the Department for 10 months he's done
good there's nothing Nia and he goes you
know what the reason why I want to
switch departments is because when I'm
off probation they're actually going to
transfer me 250 miles away to the other
side of the state and my whole family's
here I just don't want to move that far
away so that's why I want a lateral to
this local Department because I want to
stay local so you have to imagine if
you're an administrator and this is what
you're hearing like I could see a
situation where I go yeah well that
makes complete sense we'd love to have
you right so I mean so there are reasons
why people transfer departments why you
would transfer departments quickly into
a career even though it again that isn't
typical usually people have a couple
years on before they transfer but again
anything can happen so um yeah this is
just a tragic tragic case because three
people lost their lives and I mean in
this this 15 year old girl is going to
be scarred
um forever for this um so we'll we'll
keep updated on this case well there's
really not much to keep updated with
because um he was killed in the shootout
with police switches a great ending for
him on this um
um but you know I think more is going to
come out about this guy's background
were there red flags you know that's
really the takeaway for police
departments okay because you know
obviously if he did this you know
something was there so did so is there
something more in the psychological test
and the personality profiling is there
something that's what was missed so not
only the police departments who were
directly involved that's the
investigation that has to happen but
it's also something for police
administrators and police departments
and sheriffs all around the country to
see like holy [ __ ] we cannot find
ourselves in a situation like this what
did Virginia State Police what did you
guys learn after this is there something
different we should be doing in the
hiring process and that kind of leads me
to a point that I've been saying for for
years now is that you know we want good
people to be police officers right good
decent reasonable educated moral people
who are patient who aren't trigger happy
like like you know these are the if you
live in a community like these are who
you want the police officers to be when
you go to the grocery store who are out
patrolling like if you ever have to call
the police for a break-in to your house
or something like this is the kind of
person that you want to respond well you
have to when when cities and when
municipalities and police departments
don't Foster an environment where good
decent reasonable people like that
because those kinds of candidates and
those people they're going to have a
whole lot of options not just for police
jobs but for private sector jobs so if
you're a police department trying to or
Community trying to capture these people
in order to get them to be police
officers in your city you have to create
an environment where those kinds of
people would want to be a police officer
and I mean cases like this cases like
Garrett Rolfe the individual officer who
in in Atlanta who killed rayshard Brooks
he was charged with murder initially the
charges were dropped when I do a new Ada
came in but could you like after that
like so the rayshard Brooks case you
know a lot of us can watch that case and
be like I should I would have done the
exact same thing like so if I were there
that would be me charged with murder I
would have done the same thing so when
you have people how are you going to
recruit reasonable police officers
um educated police officers to come work
for your city if that's the kind of
stuff we're doing and we're not talking
about like the the the George Floyd case
because no we can all look at the George
Floyd case and say I would never do that
like that I'm not worried about that so
if that cop if Derek Chauvin gets
punished and convicted like I'm good
with it that that's not something that
I'm ever going to be worried about but
uh uh rayshard Brooks yeah I'm I'm
worried about that case because that's
the kind of thing that I think most
police officers say God damn I would
probably do the same thing Ben Darby the
Ben Darby case in I believe it was in
Alabama you know Ben Darby I'll maybe we
can get into that case in more deeper
now but but he lost he lost the case
he's in prison he's serving like a
20-year prison sentence and his wife is
fighting to try to get him out they have
all kinds of appeals going but you know
maybe one day we'll do a deeper dive on
the Ben Darby case but I mean he was he
was just convicted he's in prison right
now and you know you watch the video you
listen to the case you listen to the
wife in the body cam uh and you think
well [ __ ] like I probably would have
done the exact same thing and this guy
is in prison for it so you know it's
like I guess the social justice Warriors
and you know people who are you know
anti-police activists it's like any time
that there's less police officers or
police officers quit or they retire they
see that as a win they see it go good
this is exactly what we want but but
it's not a win because when you get that
you're only going to get people who the
most reasonable educated normal people
who might otherwise consider a career in
law enforcement in your city it's going
to make those people say I don't want
anything to do with that now I'm going
to go over here I'm gonna go to Texas
I'm gonna go to where they actually
appreciate police officers and they're
not going to throw me in a cage for
following United States law and the
training that I have to have so yeah
let's see uh Rich Spillman he could have
gone uh let's see talking about the the
uh catfish cop uh he could have gone
with the feds to go 2 000 miles yeah
yeah exactly it was absolutely crazy
um let's see
uh no no other comments on that okay so
the last case that I want to talk about
and this is from San Francisco it's not
really a case it's more of a more of an
interesting policy that that just
happened and it's it's it's it's pretty
strange and obviously it's San Francisco
so um the Board of Supervisors is
essentially a board of 11 people who
have been appointed you know or elected
in San Francisco who make decisions you
know for the city when it comes to
policy when it comes to the police
department when it comes to policy so
here's what happened just recently there
was a proposal from the police
department so this is members of the
police department in San Francisco
asking for something and what they're
asking for is the to have these robots
which they already use you know the
robots they can they can walk into
buildings and they could look around
corners they usually have cameras
attached is that you know what the city
what the police department in San
Francisco was asking was to be able to
allow to arm those robots in deadly
force situations with explosives in
order to end deadly force situation and
so that's what they did that's what they
were essentially
um looking at so well let's get into
each side of this debate but you know
even though it's San Francisco when you
know you know when I first read about
that this was going to go up to the
Board of Supervisors you know maybe I'm
just profile but I'm thinking this is
never going to pass like San Francisco
it was only in the last couple years
they wouldn't let cops have tasers which
is nuts so I'm like there's no way this
is going to pass but it actually did it
passed eight to three so three people
were against it eight people were Fort
so now San Francisco police officers are
going to be able to do this and if you
read the media coverage and the media
coverage on this is everywhere they only
talk about this and they make it seem
like it's this strange thing that's
never happened before but it has
happened before and in a very famous
case a couple years ago and I'm going to
tell you that at the end and I'm gonna
kind of loop all this together but you
know they're basically saying that like
they're making it seem like you know
police are using technology to kill
people and no that that absolutely is
not what this is so um if it's Tech if
it's a robot you have to think about it
this way pulling police officers it's
not artificial intelligence okay it's
not like it's alien technology or AI or
anything like that it's police officers
who are controlling the robot if a
police officer controls the robot the
and then there's force that is used or a
deadly force the the the all the the the
liability and everything is on that
individual police officer that's who
it's on so it's not like it's it's
outsourced to like some artificial
intelligence or anything like that that
isn't that isn't the case so
um you know so basically what they were
asking for and so it did pass here's a
couple things about it so they can only
use it in deadly force situations which
is reasonable which this is absolutely
what it's for and the approval can't
just be a regular field cop on the
street you know uh one year 28 year old
uh out of Virginia who's catfishing
people all crazy crazy it's not like
someone like that can approve this in
the city of San Francisco is there's
actually only a couple people who are at
the very top levels of the police
department so they're more like
politicians right than they are police
officers but you know the admin who run
the department is actually only a couple
of them who um are can actually approve
this and here's the kind of situation
that it would be for it would be for a
deadly force situation so it would be
for a situation where deadly force is
authorized and all other options just is
not possible or safe so here's what I
mean by that imagine you have a
situation of someone who is actively
firing a gun at police officers they
maybe they've already killed someone or
they're threatening to but they have a
firearm they're barricaded and they're
actively shooting at police officers so
this is the situation for that so after
negotiation going this is in the policy
as well in San Francisco after there's
negotiation for hours after there's
um after this negotiation for hours
after they've tried other things and
they can show hey there's nothing else
that we can do and now we have a couple
options we could send in a SWAT team to
go try to take this guy into cuss and
deal with that but he's shooting at us
or we can go ahead and you use this
robot in order to stop the actions of
you know uh in order to preserve life
and to save anyone else from Death so
that's basically what it's for and if
you have to look at okay like what's the
what's the safest thing well for the bad
guy if bad guy is shooting at police
officers he's gonna die either way right
or it gets shot either way because if
you're shooting at police officers we
can expect them to shoot back like
that's reasonable right so whether it's
police officers shooting at the bad guy
or uh they send in a robot that there's
an explosion and it kills the guy like
the result is the same for him but
what's safer for police officers well
clearly clearly being able to remotely
operate a robot and do that is much
safer than sending in eight guys and
girls on a Tactical Team you know who
are going to be taking fire and and
people are shooting at their faces like
so that's obviously more safer but how
about the public because that's what
people really want to hear about what's
safer for the public you know the most
so you have to think well it would
obviously be safer for the public if
there's a robot but the public and
people are are always it seems to happen
quite often not just Rogue grounds from
police officers but you know Rogue and
unintentional bullets from the bad guy
because if he's shooting everywhere so
in every situation this would be safer
and here's exactly where this was used
and this is this is the thing that's a
little bit frustrating not a little bit
it's really frustrating about this is
because in all of the articles that I
read about this over the news and
reported on CNN and MSNBC and NPR over
the last couple days not once did they
mention this case when a robot was used
and it was absolutely the most
reasonable thing to do and I'm talking
about a a case that happened in Dallas
in 2016 at a black lives matter protest
so there was a black lives matter
protest going on in 2016. I know a lot
of people think that black lives matter
were they even around in 2016 they were
they were actually created after the
Trayvon Martin shooting in 2013. um but
there was a black lives matter protest
in Dallas in 2016 a black lives matter
activist um he was a former he's also a
former uh military member
he had a rifle and he basically took a
sniper position and he started shooting
at police officers during this protest
so the police officers not that it would
justify but they weren't engaged in
throwing gas cans they were literally
just standing there making sure that
everyone was was peaceful like they
weren't doing anything that you would
look at and say what the hell are they
doing um they were just standing there
from a sniper position with the rifle he
shot and killed five Dallas police
officers and he injured seven more he
then barricaded himself in a parking
garage obviously there was a huge police
response police officers engaged in a
gun battle with this guy for 45 minutes
so think about that a lot of times
officer-involved shootings are five
minutes ten minutes two seconds you know
45 minutes 11 different police officers
engaged in a gun battle with this guy
um they also went for um two hours of
negotiations as well and he essentially
said he's not coming out he's gonna keep
shooting at cops so um the decision was
made from essentially the highest levels
of the Dallas Police Department that
they were going to send in this robot to
uh that there was going to be a robot it
was gonna it's gonna explode and
essentially it was going to kill him um
and that was the decision that was made
um obviously in this case it went to
went to the grand jury to see if there
were going to be any charges every
officer um who was involved in not just
in operating the robot but helping to
set up the robot officers who were um
also in the in the chain of command all
of the officers were about in the
shooting all of the officers about in
this case you know they were all cleared
by the prosecutor and a grand jury and
and it's essentially been you know
pretty universally known that this was
the absolute best thing that the police
officers could have done in a situation
like this um so like I said so it was
just utilized not that long ago every
but no one really criticizes that you
know because it was it was just the best
way to end this situation but in talking
about the San Francisco thing they make
it the the media makes it seem like this
is something new that this has never
happened before that it's out there and
this is crazy again that is not the case
um so yeah I just wanted to I just
wanted to mention that back uh uh yeah
and it was uh let's see
um yeah it was a ex-military members
with the Dallas Police Department uh
they were the ones who conducted the
plan with with the robot um it was
actually approved all the way up uh
through the police chief um it actually
happened on it was a it was a a parking
garage on a college campus where this
happened uh let's see Rich Spillman
please do not stand in the blast radius
of our blonde bomb robot please don't do
that it's a bomb uh Liz says it's a bomb
squad robot a retrofitted yeah no it
absolutely is and um you know again
cases like this it's I always say that
it's it's you want police officers to be
able to have as many tools as possible
so you know you want police officers to
have this option yes they can only use
this option under a very limited set of
circumstances you know it has to be a
situation with deadly force but it's
good to have it's just just like with
tasers like no you can't taste everybody
but it's good to have that option right
so um we're gonna talk about one more
case
um
that is is is kind of more of a funny
case but I'm gonna talk about one more
thing but before we go but um I just
want to thank everyone again for uh
being here today uh on the show on the
live the comments were great want to
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during lunchtime so um just want to put
that out there but um the last thing
that I want to talk about here is
everybody's favorite character Jeremy
DeWitt so Jeremy DeWitt uh uh
motor one he was uh in jail for like 18
months or 12 months or something like
that
um he's it's whatever his sentence was I
think it was like 18 or 16 months it was
cut short by like two or three months um
so he was released um and uh within the
last couple days Jeremy DeWitt he was
rearrested um apparently there was a
violation of probation so essentially
when something like this happens when
you know you're supposed to be in for 16
months but you get out after 14 months
you know for those extra two months that
the judge and the courts and the
government has control roll over you you
know they basically say okay you're
going to be on probation you're going to
be on probation so here are the
restrictions so one of the restrictions
and you know most people are like [ __ ]
I'll take any restrictions I possibly
can just let me be free I do not want to
be in jail um so one of the restrictions
that Jeremy DeWitt had to
um uh Delete and get rid of uh totally
denounce and get rid of his YouTube
channel and yeah he just couldn't find
it within himself to do it so um you
know he didn't do it as he's being
arrested and he wasn't arrested nicely
this was another standoff and you know
luckily they didn't send a robot in him
after him or anything like that but he
wouldn't come out of his house for a
while for several hours he hold up
eventually you know he was arrested
um some of the of the and we are trying
to get the we we have some just so you
know we have submitted a request like a
lot of media outlets for the body cam
footage so as soon as we get that body
cam footage um we'll definitely get it
up here on the channel for you guys to
go over
um but he um you know he's he Jeremy
DeWitt has never said no to a camera so
you know as he's being let out in
handcuffs uh some of the media members
are there and they're they're filming
him and he saying like you know they're
saying I didn't delete my YouTube
channel and he's saying well I couldn't
delete it like it was hacked I don't
have I don't have access to it anymore
so
that seems to be the excuse he was going
with all Jeremy DeWitt had to do was to
delete his YouTube channel he wouldn't
do it he's saying it's hacked and um
that's why he's in jail again so it
seems like he'll be in jail you know at
the most until the end of his sentence
so it was either one or two months I
think six to eight weeks his sentence
was cut short so you know you would
think that's all the power the court
would have over him right is to is to
basically extend that time instead of
being um at his house um that he's going
to have to be in jail so um Jeremy
DeWitt which what uh Jeremy DeWitt watch
we're always on it we have to be so um
if there's any updates on that case we
will uh we will let you know one more
one more comment George Sergeant George
says uh Jeremy DeWitt must have been a
magnifier police officer to go after him
uh yes um initially yes I think so but
this is actually an oil warrant from the
judge so it was actually the judge
issued the warrants and um uh sent the
police officers out to get him so um
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