good afternoon this is Daniel here with
cops and cons TV and we're actually
going to start this live show today with
a super chat so we want to go ahead and
thank Steve Sanders for sending that in
so Steve is from DeLand Florida he says
I was arrested for not following Mass
policies on 12 12 22 at SSA office uh me
and another Vietnam uh me and another
veteran uh so it looks like he was
arrested for not SSA should be Social
Security Administration and it looks
like Steve was arrested for not
following the mask policy so this is
something that I'm interested in maybe
Steve can give us a little more
information on what happened and Steve I
just want to say I'm sorry I'm sorry
that happened typically when it comes to
a lot of these mask policies it's policy
and not law so I would be very
interested to see exactly what you were
you were charged with and why they why
the police officers decided to do that
but that seems absolutely crazy we've
seen a a lot we've seen a lot of videos
especially from First Amendment Auditors
uh let's see uh Steve says they arrested
me for trespassing because I didn't
leave okay so they arrested you for
trespassing because you wouldn't leave
so you know one of the things that you
know I think a lot of education is out
there especially because of those first
amendment videos first amendment auditor
videos is that you know if it's a public
building and which the Social Security
Administration is it's a public
Government Federal those all mean the
same things that as long as you aren't
breaking any laws you're not causing
you're not causing uh some kind of a
disturbance you're not yelling and
screaming you're not not stealing from
people as long as you aren't committing
any type of criminal offense the
government can't trespass you from a
public building so I'm sorry that
happened hopefully you can get an
attorney to get get that dismissed and
maybe a civil lawsuit but um Steve thank
you for the Super Chat thank you for
sharing your story that seems absolutely
uh ridiculous and um not a great way to
end of the year so I'm sorry that
happened
um all right so that's how we started
the show and regular intro right now
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being in we're gonna do things a little
bit different today there are some
police stories really important stories
that have come out in the last week or
so so we're going to go over those and
then at the end of the show so make sure
you stay tuned we're going to go over
what we think are the top three police
law news type stories of the year so
we're going to get to that at the end so
if you want to put in the super if you
want to put in the chat maybe what you
think those might be but we already have
them picked so um that we're going to go
over that kind of at the end uh let's
see Steve Sanders says uh or he says I
have body cameras footage for you to
watch and breakdown Steve we would love
to watch it we would absolutely love to
watch that body camera and um break it
down so if you want to go ahead and send
that to us I think we're going to put
our email if you don't already have it
in the chat and um yeah if you wanted to
send us that big video we'd be more than
happy to go over it and um break it down
for you there we would love to do that
and again sorry that happened okay so
the first story that I want to get into
and talk about it's something that just
happened pretty much in the last hour
that's when it hit the news so it's a
story that we really haven't covered
much on here because there just is so
much that we didn't know about it so not
knowing about something you know it's
difficult to really talk about it in in
an intelligent way but it's the Idaho
murder so in Moscow Idaho at the college
there are four um College uh College age
individuals were were murdered they were
stabbed to death and it's been seven
weeks since that happened a lot of the
family members have gone on the news and
they've said that they've been
frustrated with police officers and you
know if you listen to Nancy Grace and a
lot of these other people who do like
daily crime shows this is just about all
that that they've talked about but you
know there's finally there was an arrest
so last night at three o'clock in the
morning uh in Scranton Pennsylvania
which is really far from Idaho obviously
but in Scranton Pennsylvania they
arrested a 28 year old named Brian
Christopher Coburg he was arrested at
three o'clock in the morning in Scranton
Pennsylvania for these murders he's
going to make his first court appearance
sometime today
um so right now they haven't put out any
other information out there
um they haven't put any information out
there
um so it looks like that this guy could
be the Scranton Scranton Strangler as
well but they haven't put the
information out there's the exactly why
but we know they took DNA and they were
able to track this guy down the only
information that's been put in the news
so far is that he is a college student
but he did not go to the same University
that the students went to who were
killed so just wanted to report that
because that just hit pretty much in the
last hour uh that he was arrested okay
so the the cases that I want to talk
about and this happened yesterday so the
first case I want to go over you know
some of the most important cases of the
week this happened yesterday
um and Andrew Tate so a lot of people
know Andrew Tate he's this uh far right
wing kind of guy he's like Jordan
Peterson only he's um you know awful and
um he was so he's been living in uh uh
Romania for a while and you know he was
on the Patrick Bet David podcast
um not that long ago he did about an
hour and a half podcast it was really
interesting but you know one of the
reasons that he says Andrew Tate says
that he moved to Romania because the
government was corrupt and he said that
he liked that um he said that the
government was corrupt and essentially
that his wealth his money he could buy
himself influence in a corrupt
government so normally you don't hear
people say that but it was interesting
to hear him say that you know he said he
said every government is corrupt but in
the United States you know unless you're
in the government it's really hard to
buy that influence but he said that his
wealth could help buy him influence
that's why he was in Romania he said he
was trying to play chess not Checkers
but he was arrested yesterday in in
Romania he was arrested on charges of
Suspicion of charges of rape and also of
human trafficking so him his younger
brother Tristan and then two other
individuals who they said are Romanian
Nationals they were all arrested over at
his compound in Romania yesterday and
one of the really interesting things
about this is how he was caught um so
Andrew Tate if you remember he was
de-platformed from Instagram Twitter
um essentially every social media
platform he was de-platformed from I
believe it was sometime in the spring or
the Summer where he was at YouTube he
was kicked off everywhere pretty much at
the exact same time so he was kicked off
everywhere the only social media
platform to let him back on the only
social media platform to let him back on
was Twitter Twitter allowed him back on
when Elon Musk took over so Andrew 10 is
back on Twitter and a lot of people were
irritated about that but last week he
got into a Twitter battle with Greta
tunberg you know the 19 year old climate
activist he got into a Twitter argument
with her and this is how he got caught
this is is why this is so so strange is
that when he was going back and forth
with his Twitter argument with Greta he
posted a picture of himself you know
with I think with some of his vehicles
or he said that he had 33 cars and he
wanted her email address to send her a
list of all the vehicles we have and the
vehicles he has and the types of
emissions that they give off but in one
of the pictures he posted during this
during this thread what he did was is
there was a pizza box that was from a
Romanian pizza shop which you know I'm
from Chicago so I'm a real Pizza snob I
can't imagine how good pizza in Romania
is but anyways he had a pizza box uh
from Romania so it was basically from
that picture that he took that had that
pizza box in it the Romanian officials
knew that he was in the country and
that's how they knew that he was there
to arrest him so I just want to put in
the conviction in Romania on charges of
human trafficking can carry penalties uh
between three and ten years for rape the
penalties can rage between range between
five and ten years so I just want to say
that you know with anything whether it's
the United States not everybody is
innocent until proven guilty and I'm not
saying it's an effort to try to defend
Andrew Tate I think that should be
pretty obvious but what I want to put
out there is back in April of this year
April of 2022 people called the police
on him in Romania and essentially it was
a swatting incident where they they
called and they said that he was holding
girls captive and that essentially he
was involved with human trafficking
there was a SWAT whatever the Romanian
version of the SWAT team is the SWAT
team went into his house he was detained
he went down to Police Headquarters and
he was released it was later turned out
to be someone called in a swatting
incident basically they gave police
false information so I'm not saying
that's what happened here but you know
since the swatting incident did just
happen earlier this year it's not
nothing more going on okay so uh let's
see danzilla says it was his response
video not the car picture uh yeah so I
mean but well okay listen um I I'm gonna
be real honest with you I'm not uh uh uh
someone who just studies Andrew Tate's
Twitter feed but what I do know is that
something he put on Twitter whether it
was a picture or a video between him and
Greta tunberg that is how he got caught
from the Romanian officials leads that's
what they're they're being reported if
you know more about the the the the
Twitter feud then I do fantastic uh
let's say Steve Sanders says uh okay
um uh you mean guilty until proven
innocent uh Ariana Grande's ponytail
says you mean guilty until proven
innocence uh let's see uh James Bond
says the government absolutely can
trespass you okay so going back to the
other case the government absolutely
can't trespass you from public property
you do not have to commit a crime that's
inaccurate sir okay um that that I I do
not agree with so
um no you cannot be trespassed from
public property unless you commit a
crime because it's public property so if
you could show me evidence or show me a
law where that says different great
typically trespassing when it comes to
private property is whoever the business
owner can go ahead and trespass anyone
they want because they own them if you
own a gas station if you own a
McDonald's and you want someone's being
a jerk and you are the manager or your
agent want them trespassed you can go
ahead and do that because you own the
property you are in charge of that
property but when it comes to public
property government property it's public
it's government we all own it so I just
also want to say that you know in the
post office there's something called
poster seven that essentially gives the
the public and employees on what is
allowed in public areas so um you know
there's there's basically all of the
rules of the post office are in there
and if you go into the post office and
you look at poster seven if you follow
those rules the government cannot
trespass you now of course they can
physically go ahead and trespass you
there's no nothing magic that comes out
of the sky that prevents a police
officer from handing you a trespass
ticket obviously not but if that were
challenged in court it would not be
lawful uh let's see uh Steve Sanders
when you watch the video I left the
interior of the structure while waiting
for supervisors to arrive and then was
arrested for remaining unseen um Steve
can't wait to see the video please go
ahead and send it to us uh let's see uh
a post office is not a traditional
public forum though it's a limited
public form so it depends
um in the four years and if you look on
poster seven it pretty much defines what
those areas are so if it's in a public
area if it's in a foyer that's
considered public obviously if there's
doors that are closed um or closets that
are closed you can't be opening doors
that the general public doesn't have
access to but if you just go into a
regular space that would be
um that would be uh different uh Ariana
Grande's ponytails stamps are going up
in January
um yeah the stamps might be going up
maybe because of Steve's lawsuit he's
going to have against the post office
all right so we talked about Andrew Tate
um and like I said the main point in a
lot of these cases what I think is
interesting is not just the case itself
but some of the underlying things that
happen in these cases because a lot of
them all kind of go together and what I
want to say the main takeaway from this
Andrew Tate case isn't that he was
arrested it's that the reason he got
caught the reason it was easy for police
to arrest him was because of something
that he posted on social media so it's
one of those things where it's like
there are a lot of people who want
people that that they disagree with to
be de-platformed and not allowed on
social media well when you do things
like that it actually makes it harder so
when people are maybe committing crimes
or even if it's just bad ideas it's good
to have the bad ideas out there so you
can debate them just because Andrew
takes bad ideas aren't on Twitter
doesn't mean that him and millions of
people don't have them it's better for
them to be out there in a space that can
be debated and then stuff like this
people make really silly and juvenile
mistakes and get themselves in trouble
with the police or at least let the
police know where their location is uh
all right one more from Steve Sanders
social security has uh has mass
guidelines outlined in workplace safety
plan two of which the outlines that a
mask should be snug around the nose and
Chin uh but he has an eight inch long
beard yeah so that would be difficult
um that would be difficult to have it's
snug if you have if you have a beard so
yeah definitely Steve again please send
us that okay the next case that I want
to talk about so this happened this past
week in Richland Mississippi so I don't
know if anyone's familiar with
Mississippi I'm certainly not but this
happened right outside of Jackson
Mississippi which I guess is a pretty
big city out there uh 21 year old woman
went into the Walmart her name is
corlinda mcginnister so she went into
the Walmart and what she did is she took
a Walmart employee hostage there's a
female Walmart employee she went up to
that employee and she had a gun to her
she was essentially holding her uniform
and then at one point holding her hair
she was holding her and she had a gun in
the other hand and she started just
saying crazy things she started saying
that she's not here to hurt anybody that
she just wants to speak with a news
anchor well obviously this this resulted
in a call to police officers police
officers did the right thing they got
there they got in almost immediately and
they started to confront kerlinda they
tried to get her to drop the gun they
tried to convince her to let the hostage
go but this is one of those things when
you have an individual who's you know
aggressive who obviously isn't in their
right mind and they they have a firearm
holding it and threatening someone else
the police officers they can only let
that go for so long because just imagine
if it was your family member who was
there with the gun to them you know how
long are you gonna let them go any few
seconds that goes forward there's more
of a chance than an innocent victim
might die so what happened was very
predictable once the police officers
were there and she wouldn't drop the gun
there was an officer involved shooting
uh corlinda mcginnister she was killed
by police and the the victim was saved
so that had a good result and that there
was no innocent death
um you know if this might be easy for me
to say and uh you know so this sounds
simplistic right and this might be easy
for me to say but if you don't want to
get shot by police officers don't go
into a Walmart and hold someone hostage
at gunpoint and you're probably going to
be okay uh let's see if we have any
comments about this case uh it was in uh
Steve says it was an insane video
standoff yeah so the video that I saw um
from this case wasn't necessarily really
necessarily from police body body cam I
haven't seen that be released but there
were a couple individuals who you know
citizen journalists who decided to stay
on scene and they actually recorded it
and then were able to upload it and got
it to news outlets so uh that is how
that is how I was able to that is how I
was able to
um uh see see what happened there but
yeah but there is pretty decent pretty
decent cell phone footage um cell phone
footage of of the incident and um yeah
the police were in a position there just
wasn't a whole lot
um that they were able to do uh Jane's
blonde oh 007 says exactly
um yeah let's see any other questions or
comments on that case um but yeah
definitely definitely watch the watch
the video there it's an absolute crazy
video it seems like the woman had some
mental health issues but again they're
just there isn't there isn't a whole lot
um a whole lot that the police officers
could do in a situation like that uh the
next officer involved shooting that I
want okay uh let's see Steve says I've
seen the cell phone video that hostage
was frozen in fear yeah if you look at
the face of the hostage victim I mean
she looks like someone who's in fear she
looks like someone who is being held
hostage by a maniac with a gun so again
officers did the exact right thing in
that particular case um and you know the
last thing we want to say about this
case is this is why I prefer Target so
um uh next police officer involved
shooting that I want to talk about and I
actually went over this last week but
there's been kind of a really silly and
almost ridiculous development in this
case
um it was uh on 12 19 happened in
Dearborn Michigan so 33 year old
mentally ill individual though of course
at the time the police officers didn't
know that and honestly it wouldn't have
mattered but 33 year old named Ali Naji
he walked into a police station in
Dearborn Michigan there was a uniform
police officer that was sitting behind
bulletproof glass um kind of at a desk
now when I say bulletproof glass you
know there really is no glass that is
totally bulletproof at least not that
they had in the substation so you know
hope hopefully bulletproof glass will
stop some some of some of the rounds or
some of the impact but you know I I
wouldn't trust a glass glass in front of
me to be 100 bulletproof if someone is
shooting 15 rounds at me anyway so Mr
Ali he walked into the police station
and as soon as he walked in he pulled
out a gun he pointed to death the
officer who was behind the glass and he
started to pull the trigger uh the
officer reacted almost immediately now
again good news bad news the good news
is is that uh the police officer's gun
fired and the bad guy was killed the the
bad news for the bad guy is that Mr Ali
is at his gun Jam so for an unknown
reason his gun jammed so he didn't fire
off any rounds but the having a gun
pointed at him and the individual
pulling the trigger the police officer
reasonably responded so this seems you
know I always talk about it that you
know there are some officer-involved
shooting cases where you know even
though I think it's a Justified shooting
I could say okay I could see where some
people have a problem with this case
other times ago no this shooting this is
not a lawful officer involved shooting
this looks like a criminal act from the
police officer and then you have people
who are defending the officer and I go
okay okay I don't agree but I can kind
of see where you're going this is one of
those cases that there is no there is no
other side to this case you know someone
walks in they pull out a gun they point
it at you and they start pulling the
trigger the reasonable appropriate and
proportional response from the officer
is to fire in self-defense that seems
that seems completely reasonable but of
course this is why people don't like
attorneys the family of the individual
who died um the attorney has been going
all over the media this week basically
criticizing the offshore in the police
department here's the criticism it's
twofold the first criticism is that the
officer didn't try to de-escalate hang
on so you're criticizing the officer for
not trying to de-escalate with someone
who's firing a gun at him exactly what
type of de-escalation do you expect from
a police officer so you know it's it's a
attorneys are and again I I have a a law
degree so um when I talk bad about
attorneys you know I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm
I'm doing it kind of tongue-in-cheek but
this is why people dislike attorneys
it's because they say things like this
things that are just yes of course you
have to represent the family that is
your absolute job everyone deserves your
representation in every legal matter
aggressive representation but when you
say things in the media that are just
objectively ridiculous this is why
people don't like attorneys so no
obviously there was no way for the
police officer to de-escalate the idea
that the officer is being criticized by
anyone is absolutely nuts and the other
criticism said was twofold is that the
officer shouldn't have shot because the
individual had a history of mental
illness now I'm not sure about what it's
like in Michigan but at least where I'm
from when there's a gun and someone's
pulling a trigger yeah it doesn't matter
if the person pulling the trigger has
schizophrenia or not that gun is going
to work the same so uh for so in again
not just de-escalate but it seems like
the attorney wanted the police officer
to factor in whether or not they should
try to save their own life because of
the mental status of the person pointing
a gun and pulling the trigger at them
which is absolutely insane so
um yeah Archie says nobody wants to talk
about uh uh the logistics uh Bruce
Blankenship says just pointing or
brandishing uh yes so it's uh let's see
uh no other question so so yeah so I
mean even we've talked about this in a
couple other cases that you know there
really isn't much of a difference and
again in this case the individual had
the gun pointed at the officer and was
pulling the trigger but it kind of like
you said like is there really a
difference between a gun being
brandished and pointed so what I would
say is not really if you have someone
who you think might be a threat if
there's a gun pointed at you or if an
individual has a gun that's pointed to
their side the difference between the
hand and being shot and you know going
from a gun being at someone's side to
point it at you is tenth of a second so
so I can't react that fast if you think
that someone can react that fast then
yeah make an argument that there's a
difference most people are not Jason
Bourne and they cannot react that fast
let's see uh Dan Zilla attorneys are
just trying to become famous nowadays
yeah absolutely I think that's um I
think that's absolutely part of it um
there there is an entire culture of
attorneys out there who um no matter
what the circumstances are they feel
that if they can lie and say ridiculous
things about police officers that they
are going to get some traction
fortunately that's true uh Ben Crump has
made uh has made a a a career out of
doing this uh Willie weeds sounds like
another suicide by cop absolutely this
is 100 suicide by cop uh let's see stray
dog the exposure a baseball player only
has .03 seconds to decide if the pitch
he's going is to be a strike or a ball
um yeah I I would say that's that's uh
probably probably correct and um if he's
wrong which um you know baseball all
players are wrong even the best baseball
players are wrong 70 percent of the time
you don't die so um I think we need to
take that into consideration Archie says
I went to school to be a lawyer but I
only received a c so I became a public
Pretender okay uh let's see uh any what
can I do uh the shootings are real yeah
I mean it's dangerous when someone has a
gun pointed at you there's just not a
whole lot uh not a whole lot you can do
yeah Bruce says but his life is not on
the line yeah yeah that's that that's
100 correct yes it's difficult to react
to a baseball and and again even the
best baseball players are wrong 70 of
the time and uh when they are wrong
there's no risk of them of them dying
unless of course it's Randy Johnson
against John kruck in the All-Star game
uh let's see Steve Sanders says how uh
Steve Sanders says how often are police
oh it's a good question how often are
police involved in a shooting in their
career oh Steve that is such a great
question so so I don't have the numbers
right in front of me but I know the
numbers in general so let's talk about
it this way so
um there are approximately 1 000 deadly
officer-involved shootings every year so
a thousand now how many total shootings
there are I'm not sure is it three
thousand is it five thousand I I don't
know those numbers but when police
officers fire a gun and someone dies
it's about a thousand times a year there
are approximately 850 800
000 police officers in the United States
so you know essentially you know uh one
thousand out of 800 000 is going to be
involved in a deadly officer involved
shooting every year so the vast majority
of police officers uh go through their
uh let's see um
uh vast majority of police officers
um go their entire career without being
involved and not involved shooting and
that's actually the goal of most police
officers no one wants to be involved in
the officer involved shooting okay well
we're going to put up here some FBI uh
statistics for law enforcement uh
officers assaulted and killed in the
line of duty uh so nationally there's
about 60 000 law enforcement officers
who were assaulted performing their
duties this was back in 2020 and this
actually segues um pretty nicely to what
I was going to talk about next and kind
of a recap of the year of what it's like
to be a a police officer so um we have
some numbers up here from uh 2021 but if
we look at this year here are some of
the numbers this year so
um in 2022 so far 228 police officers
have been killed in the line of duty and
64 of those police officers
um were died by gunfire now I looked up
some of this stuff on the officer down
uh memorial page I looked it up and you
know what I thought always interesting
is they have the time on duty of these
police officers so of the 228 police
officers who died on duty this year the
lowest one had 30 days on as a police
officer and the highest one had 45 years
on as a police officer so it's one of
those things that you just you could be
early in your career could be your first
day off of training or again you could
be on the department uh five years older
than uh five years longer than I am old
and it could happen then you just you
just never know
um and the reason why I wanted to talk
about kind of like the the total police
officers is because last week we got a
question saying there a comments saying
that you know being a police officer
it's not the statistically most
dangerous and I agree it's not a police
officer is not the statistically most
dangerous job really if you look at um
or statistics about you know like Health
implications long term being a
firefighter because of all the smoke
inhalation and stuff and the dangerous
chemicals being a firefighter might
actually be more dangerous than being a
police officer but there's something
about out and the reason why that people
I don't want to say care more about when
police officers die but why it's such
news the reason it's news is because
there's just something emotional that
just really gets to us kind of on a
human level when you have someone who
makes it their goal for not much money
to go out there and try to protect the
community and while they're trying to
protect the community you have people
who are trying to damage the community
so when the bad guy hurts or kills the
good guy that's that's an interesting
news story so that's why when a police
officer dies it's almost always covered
and what I'm saying isn't controversial
because look at how many television
shows and movies there are about police
about this exact issue so people are
interested in it I'm interested in it
everyone watching this live show right
now is interested in the things that
police go through in the interactions
between citizens and police
let's see uh stray the dog uh exposure
it's more dangerous to be a clerk at a
convenience store yeah you know what
it's statistically that that that might
be the case let's see Steve Sanders more
police die than soldiers every year yeah
that's absolutely correct um uh so it
was a construction worker yeah I mean we
can all we can all make a list of the
statistically more dangerous jobs than
being a police officer but again there's
something about it because when you're
St when you're a clerk at a convenience
store your goal every day is to you know
help people check out when you're a
police officer your goal should be to
protect the community to keep everybody
safe so when you're when you're
voluntarily putting your life out there
to keep everybody else safe you know
there's something that hits people on an
emotional level when those people are
killed in the line of duty doing um the
job of trying to protect other people
yeah and free says firefighters are
equipped to cope with smoke um Etc you
know they absolutely are uh let's see
Deshawn crew Ben Crump will be there for
every shooting police will use uh that
gun forget about it I don't know what
that means but yeah I mean Ben Crump is
there for almost almost every officer
involved shooting he tries to get
himself involved this is how he's made
himself a millionaire by
um uh descending on communities who just
had a tragedy saying uh dishonest things
in the media and then you know getting
everyone to uh fighting Riot and then
extorting extorting the city or the
state to settle a lawsuit in order to
stop the rights so that's kind of his
business plan so let's um it's been a
good business plan for him um but
objectively we should be able to say
whether or not we think um uh we like
what Ben Crump is doing so okay so um
the and you know I just talked about the
in general how many police officers die
every year you know said there's been 64
that have been killed by gunfire and we
actually have one died last night and
that's what I want to focus on here for
the last actual news story of this year
so it happened last night uh 12 22
um in Riverside County California the
deputy he had eight and a half years on
he was with the Riverside County
Sheriff's Department his name was Isaiah
Cordero we have limited information
because this just happened yesterday but
here's what we know what we know is that
Deputy Cordero he conducted the traffic
stop on a vehicle as he was approaching
the car the driver of the vehicle shot
him and killed him uh the driver of the
vehicle vehicle then fled the scene
there was a obviously police were right
on it they were able to locate the
vehicle there was a high-speed Pursuit
it went across a couple different states
eventually that vehicle crashed it was
disabled and the individual the offender
he was killed by by police officers uh I
I don't know if they've released the
name of the individual of the offender
that's not that important I don't like
to say names of offenders who do stuff
like this anyways but um what the
information that they have put out is
that and this kind of goes back to a lot
of the other bigger picture issues that
you know a lot of these shootings and
these police cases that we highlight and
talk about on this show it's not just
it's not just about this individual case
that all of these cases have really
interesting elements to them that kind
of spread across and go to different
different incidents and different things
across the country so the thing about
this guy is this offender is in 2021 he
was involved in a situation where he
actually killed a police canine he was
he he will went to trial he was
convicted the charges that he was
convicted on
um uh
it was other than just killing the
police canine all kinds of felonies but
it was from that same case
um what happened is that he was um
waiting a waiting sentencing and his
sentencing was going to be somewhere
between 25 years to life well he was
granted bail so he was essentially let
out he was let out to be free while this
was going on um while he was free he
missed a court hearing he was arrested
on a warrant and then he was released it
was upon release that this happened so
again here you have a person who has
already been convicted and they're
waiting on a 25 at least a 25-year
sentence like the idea that this
individual isn't going to be violent
against this time it happened to be
against police but most of the time it's
not against police it's against regular
random citizens or other members of the
public so um you know the idea that you
know when people are committed to
violent crimes and we know that they're
going to be going to prison for at least
25 years the idea that were those few
months in between that we're just going
to let them out on bail is absolutely
insane uh there was a tragedy last night
and a a young police officer lost his
life and that was an absolute horrible
way to to end the year so I just wanted
to send out my thoughts to the um to to
the Sheriff's Office out there it was
absolutely terrible uh let's see
um
okay any other comments about
any of these cases someone they're
talking about cop Watchers let's see uh
we talked about Ben Crump all right okay
I think we got to most of those most of
those comments on there uh let's see uh
okay so here's Steve Sanders says who is
jurisdiction over Federal property um
yeah so the jurisdiction over Federal
property well so it would have to be a
federal law enforcement so you know does
the post office have security are are
there federal agents are there are there
Federal Protection police officers so it
would be someone Federal what normally
happens is because even though it's a
federal building it's usually located
within some kind of a city so normally
when people at the post office call
police officers
um it's city cops who are now because
the building is in the city
um now police officers trying to enforce
laws city laws in a federal building so
that gets a little bit complicated of
course police officers can go and try to
mediate and try to and give out give out
business cards and try to try to calm
situations and of course if there's an
emergency a local police officer like if
there's a if there's an active shooter
inside of a post office I don't think
most people are going to say well you
don't have jurisdiction there so you
guys have to just stand around and not
actually going no that's absolutely
ridiculous so police officers can
respond but the issue is is what type of
enforcement action can they take uh
let's see and what normally happens is
that most federal spaces actually have
contracted security guards that are
armed so that's normally who handles it
but you know most of the time local
police can get there quicker
um it's it just once they're there if
there's no immediate emergency like an
active shooter or something if there's
no immediate emergency what type of
enforcement action can police officers
take that's always what the question is
and if anything what I've seen a lot of
these first amendment videos and Steve
I'm not sure if that's what happened
with you but in a lot of these things
it's it's not that the police officers
are are bad people it's that they just
don't know maybe they haven't had the
training they haven't been informed they
haven't seen the First Amendment auditor
videos but it really is up to not only
the individual police officer but the
law enforcement agency to say hey we
have 18 post office in our jurisdiction
if you guys and girls go there here's
what you can do here's what you can't do
just remember so that kind of
information is so important on an
administrative and training level to get
out there and um yeah I just think
that's that's really really important
Nathan Hart says do federal agents have
jurisdiction to afford enforce um state
laws as well
um
typically not typically the feds can
just do federal laws and then if the
feds need um if the federal if the
federal agents need state officers to
come in and do something well they they
can ask them to do charges based on
whatever evidence that they do uh let's
see I don't think the free says I don't
think they need a car each they can go
out in pairs that's only a few million
for mental health okay I'm not sure what
that's in reference to uh let's see uh
Dan Dilla says I saw comments on the
video saying why do they need so many
police during the Chase and saying tax
dollars wasted yeah this is a reference
to the officer under the the officer
who's killed in California
um yeah I mean when you have not only
when you have a police officer killed
when you have anyone who just committed
a murder and they're fleeing and running
from police the idea that like every cop
in every jurisdiction isn't just going
to be on it trying to end this as
quickly as possible that's an
unreasonable expectation
um because everybody wants to help
everyone wants to get the bad guy in
custody every police officer wants to
stop the death in the Carnage again
there's a lot of times we should be
worried about tax dollars this isn't one
of them all right uh let's see uh homie
says police are the muscle of the law
not lawyers so we should give them some
margin of error instead of acting like
legal smart asses on YouTube uh that's
actually an interesting comment so if we
look at what the law says on that is
that and I I in principle I 100 agree
with you
um and you know what it basically says
is that when it comes to court police
officers are allowed to make a mistake
effect so if a police officers you know
think that they saw something and then
it's a it's a reasonable belief and they
go down this path and it ends up being
that they saw something that wasn't true
so if police officers make a mistake of
fact you know essentially that typically
doesn't get cases dismissed but what
does get cases dismiss is a mistake of
law so police officers they're not
permitted at least when it comes to
whether or not a case is dismissed
police officers typically are not
allowed to make a mistake of law now
here's an example like let's let's say
you have a cop out there who's running
traffic and a vehicle is driving 10
miles below the speed limit and an
officer stops him because the officer
thinks that there's a minimum speed
ordinance officer stops him arrests the
guy or girl for uh driving while
intoxicated it goes to court well let's
say that the officer was wrong there
actually is no minimum speed um
ordinance in that City because the
officer made a mistake of law that case
is going to get dismissed immediately
now again if the officer made a mistake
of fact not necessarily that case is
going to get dismissed so there's a
difference between mistake of Law and
mistake effect but uh homie Kane that's
actually a really good comment uh let's
see free says cops could go out in pairs
this would save dollars that could go
into mental health facilities okay so
I'm not sure what you mean by that but
let's go down that rabbit hole a little
bit so most police officers do work in
pair so not all the time do they ride in
the same police vehicle sometimes
they're in separate vehicles but they
typically take calls together here's an
example of that so I'm originally from
Chicago and I've done ride-alongs with
with Chicago Police most Chicago police
officers ride two officers to a car and
they don't take those cars home it's not
their car essentially these cars are ran
24 hours a day you come in for your
shift you and your buddy get in a car
you put all your in the car you
drive it for eight to ten hours and then
you get off you put the car in and
the next group of officers who are
coming in they take your car that's how
it works so what happens in a situation
like that
is that the car is essentially running
24 hours a day well what they found
doing different studies about this is
that cars actually last less longer when
they're driven because cops drive cars
hard I think we all know that when when
cars are driven you know pretty much
constantly hard for 24 hours the amount
of mileage and maintenance actually
costs the city more now here's what a
lot of other police departments do they
say that's your police car officer Smith
that is your police car you're going to
take that police car home it's yours you
can drive it off duty as long as you're
not drinking um you need to go to the
grocery store and you need to go to the
gym you can drive it off duty um and you
only drive it you know during those
things then mostly for work you know
when the car is typically out in front
of the police officer's house so what
many municipalities have found is that
yes maybe that seems like a waste of tax
dollars but it's actually not because
it's found that when police officers
have one car that they're going to be
driving for the next maybe three to five
years they take care of that car and the
car isn't being driven crazy hard
um you know 24 hours a day seven days a
week so um there's arguments on both
sides also want to talk about something
there was a study done in the 80s called
the Kansas City Patrol study and exactly
what you're talking about about one or
two officers in a car they actually
studied this in Kansas City in the 1980s
and it was a while ago but it's still a
relevant study and what they wanted to
see is okay if police officers are in
one car or if they're in two cars how
what is that dude one doesn't make it
less safe for police officers and two
does it reduce crime and what that is
what this Patrol study found is that
when you put police officers in one car
it doesn't make them any less safe and
the reason for that is is because let's
say that there's a domestic violence
call or a disturbance at a bar just
because a police officer is in the car
by themselves they're not taking that
call on their own now maybe they get to
the call 30 seconds before their partner
and they wait halfway down the block and
then they drive together so just because
two officers are in two different cars
actually doesn't make them statistically
less safe than officers on a traffic
stop they can call it for backup it
before
um before um they actually made contact
with the driver so it doesn't make them
less safe but it gives the impression
that there's more police officers out
there let's think about scenario let's
say you have 20 police officers in an
area so you know sorry to say how big
that geographic area is but you know
let's say it's a section of the city of
Chicago you know one sector the city of
Chicago there's going to be more than
more than more than 20. but you know
let's just use that as an example so
here you have this this one geographic
area if you have two officers to a car
all day long you have 10 police cars
driving around well you know with the
same amount of actual cops now you have
20 cars driving around and again it's
shown that it actually isn't any more um
expensive for cities that's a really
good that's a really good question uh
Ariana Grande says ponytails they should
only be allowed to drive the car for
work not for personal reasons yeah I
think that's reasonable and you know
what a lot of departments have that
policy but um Ariana Grande's ponytail
here's what some cities found um so what
they found is that you know so
essentially what what they found is that
if the let's say a police officer wants
to go to the gym as long as they have
all their police stuff in the car
somewhere and they're taking that car to
the gym so we'll now now that that
vehicle is being driven around the city
and you know that affects traffic that
that makes people think that maybe
there's a bigger police presence than it
is so it actually makes citizens feel
like um that there's a bigger police
presence and makes citizens feel safer
Also let's say that officer is in the
gym for an hour or two at Bally's Total
Fitness or whatever whatever gym you
happen to have now here you have a
police car in the parking lot of a gym
well the business likes that obviously
right
um all the other I I know that a friend
of mine actually just had his uh vehicle
broken into
um and and some stuff stolen out of it
last week at a a gym in a nice area at 4
30 in the morning so you know the idea
of a police car being parked in a gym
parking lot like that isn't a bad thing
with it the popular gym and you have
eight police cars there so so like I
said so it's it's yeah a lot of of
departments feel the same way you do and
they have those policies but there are
reasons why a certain municipality might
see an advantage of doing that but the
idea of so I I think it's a good idea
for police officers to have take-home
cars to you know drive them whether or
not they drive it off duty or not you
know I don't think that's as big of an
issue but not hot riding cars 24 hours a
day I think that's that's pretty
Antiquated and not a great thing for
cars they actually costs cities more uh
let's see
um
uh stray dog says it'd also help if they
were actually taught the law instead of
spending the majority of their time in
Academy learning self-defense that's an
interesting comment
um so I mean so stray dog the exposure
what I can say is you can actually go on
to any State website um the Law
Enforcement Academy and you could see
what the curriculum is you can see okay
in order to be a police officer you have
to be in the police academy for let's
say 26 weeks during those 26 weeks
there's this much instruction on Crisis
Intervention there's this much
unconstitutional law and if you look at
defensive tactics it's actually one of
the lowest things when it comes to
Firearms rage and defensive tactics um
it's actually that's one of the lower
things the vast majority like 80 percent
of the police academy is classroom is
sitting there Learning Classroom that is
80 percent of the police academy in most
places
um there's an argument made that if
police officers had more instruction
when it comes to defensive tactics maybe
when they got into situations and they
knew how to you know ground fight or
grapple maybe they would be able to end
situations quick quickly more quickly
more safely so that there wasn't a an
officer involved shooting later on so um
the argument can be can be both ways uh
let's see one more comment pin king says
going back to active Shooters it makes
it easier for officers to respond to the
active shooter situation yeah 100 the
pin king you're right so um the more
officers you have in a car that can get
there quicker if there's an active
shooter you're absolutely right but what
I what uh what I would say is that if
there's an active shooter um you're
going to get every cop in the air unless
it's Uvalde of course you're going to
get every cop in the area there pretty
quickly and um so it probably doesn't
make that much of a difference but yeah
I mean technically you could probably
get two officers there quick more
quickly if they happen to be in the same
car uh let's see uh cops should know our
constitution Willy says in short but
they just don't
um yeah I mean so Willie that's a that's
a fair comment and again police officers
have to learn so much and they're not
lawyers so I went to law school
part-time over four years my student
loan bill is over a hundred thousand
dollars so
um yes I I I there's no way to take that
and even after law school there's a lot
of attorneys who don't know
constitutional law all that well or who
who barely passed that that class or
that section uh or or or that section so
the idea that police officers are going
to be uh constitutional Scholars um like
Allen Allen uh dershowitz isn't
reasonable but yes you want police
officers to be educated on the fourth
and fourth fifth sixth Amendments of
things that they're dealing with all the
time more training more education I'm
always an advocate for that um but the
idea that police officers based on the
police academy are going to be
constitutional Scholars that just isn't
a reasonable uh reasonable thing to
respect uh or to to to expect uh let's
see free says all good points hadn't
considered maybe they should have a
courage yeah no um I guess I think
there's interesting um and it's free I
appreciate you asking questions and for
saying that because um yeah sometimes
you just you just might know
um all right so I want to talk about the
most important and interesting cases of
the year and when I when I was when we
were making this list you know when it
comes to some of the criteria that I
looked at about whether something is you
know like the most important cases of
the year not just how much we talked
about it or how much interest there was
but is there Fallout so after this case
happened you know what else happened was
there a paradigm shift so that's really
to get into it I'm gonna talk about what
I think are the three most important
cases of the year and put in the
comments if you disagree if you think
that I missed one which I absolutely do
put in the comments maybe we can cover
it next week as an overlap of cases that
I just didn't get to for whatever reason
most important case is Uvalde so we're
going to start with number one there's
no question that Uvalde was the most
important police case of the Year this
is for a lot of different reasons not
just because it was a horrible officer
involved shooting where where a mass
shooting where a lot of kids died and
also the police response was also awful
so it wasn't just because of that but
it's because of some of the Fallout some
of the things that we learned from this
shooting that we all already know
um also also and not just because of the
issues when it comes to public
transparency you know one of the reasons
why you've all day got the attention it
did is because you had multiple
different police departments who not
only did things mostly wrong some right
but mostly wrong but you had public
information officers who and then the
the governor's office in Texas who was
kind of trying to manage things like for
example the Uvalde City police
department head officers on scene and
they felt that they were being unfairly
maligned in the media so the city of
Uvalde the mayor of Uvalde he put out
the body cam footage so it was available
for everyone we can criticize Uvalde
City police a lot and we absolutely
should but they wanted the body camera
footage out there because they thought
that it would vindicate their officers
now that's incorrect that's insane but
that's what they thought the governor of
Texas and the the Texas Department of
Public Safety they said they didn't want
any video out there and they actually
tried to prevent in court the city from
releasing body cam footage so the the
interactions between the different for
local levels of law enforcement
um is interesting and it's something
that we should be paying attention to I
always not just because we have a body
cam channel here and we like the body
cam footage but the public deserves to
know there should be transparency in
policing and in government and we should
always err on the side of putting the
information out there yes of course if
there's an investigation ongoing if
there's a child no we don't want to put
out stuff that's going to complicate
that but two weeks after you've all day
happened yeah we need to get that body
camera footage out there don't have a
lot of good things to say about you've
all day City police but at least they
release the body cam footage I think
that was the absolute right move and
again they were being told not to do it
um so we learned a couple of other
things about Uvalde so we learned that
small police departments are not
equipped to handle complicated
emergencies and the reason I say this is
because in a lot of times there's
criticism when I'm on Tick Tock or I'm
on YouTube or I'm on the show a lot of
times there's criticism where people
complain about police budgets you know
everyone becomes a fiscal conservative
somehow where they say police are
spending too much money on this
military-grade weapon in gear well I
okay fine you want to say that fine but
you know what are the reasons why the uh
you police officers who went got to
Uvalde what are the reasons why they
didn't make entry in well you know we
maybe we have opinions but they were
waiting for more rifles and for
ballistic Shields so you know that's
typically in the category of
military-grade Weaponry you know and a
lot of times you can imagine someone on
this show if I was if a year and a half
ago I was saying hey you know the Uvalde
School Police Department the school
resource officers they're asking for
more AR-15s and they're asking for
ballistic Shields let's put out a poll
what do we think my guess is the vast
majority of the poll is going to say
they don't need this they're School cops
they're School cops and there's also
city cops that are there like there's
also felt like what is the school that's
a waste of money but obviously we all
wish they would have had these things
maybe it would have made a difference
again maybe it wouldn't have made a
difference but um so I think we see that
the small police departments are simply
not equipped to handle emergencies not
just when it comes to the equipment but
also when it comes to or when it comes
to coordination and organizing these
events think about it the Police radios
from Uvalde school police could not talk
to they couldn't get on the same channel
as the city police they couldn't get on
the same channel as the county sheriffs
and the county sheriffs all of them
couldn't talk with the feds and border
patrol who were coming so the
communication was just awful and it's
easy to say but what was the physical
manifestation of the communication
problem the problem is is that the chief
of police of the school police Pete
Arredondo who was also first on scene so
he's the chief of police and he's first
on scene everyone assumed he's The
Incident Commander This Guy's in charge
he didn't think that he thought I'm in
this thing whether he's right or not
Peter Redondo thought I was the first to
arrive I ran and I ran in here as fast
as I could I'm literally in the fight so
no when I'm in the fight clearly someone
needs to be managing this like the
perimeter and the resources and where to
go in the media staging area and inner
perimeter in the Outer Perimeter clearly
there should be someone outside who is
directing all of that because that's how
police officers are taught so Peter
Arredondo reasonably unreasonably
thought someone else should be in charge
The Incident Commander but everyone else
on scene thought that he should be The
Incident Commander and they weren't able
to talk to each other so these basic
communication problems led to mass
confusion and he ultimately led to
people dying so that's one of the issues
that I hope smaller police departments
have taken into consideration and just
the communication on a basic level is
one of the reasons why this happened
also you know there's this it's we see
what happens and it's it's what and you
know what it wasn't just equipment and
communication of why police officers
didn't go in and to not say this I think
would be dishonest so it's it's there is
this is what happens when you kill the
warrior culture in policing so it's one
of those things where it's like it's
difficult to complain on one side that
you don't want police officers I don't
want police officers to break the law
obviously but you don't wear police
officers you know we're hiring too many
people from from the military too many
people who are too aggressive they're
too quick to use Force there's and we
talk about this Warrior culture in
policing and that it's a problem there's
books there's podcasts there's there's
an entire social media channels
dedicated to this Warrior culture and
policing and that's fine let's listen to
that criticism but then don't complain
when stuff like this happens okay you
cannot expect someone to be officer
friendly 100 percent reasonable well you
always cut off should be reasonable but
nice and friendly and Mild man of the
entire time and when something like this
happens to just turn it on and just
become the ultimate warrior and go in
there that's not a reasonable
expectation so
um yeah I think that you know when
people talk about the warrior culture in
policing think about it if this was a
group of if this was a group of 20 guys
who were warriors who were SWAT teamed
on the SWAT team from from Philly or
Chicago believe me they would have gone
in there and this wouldn't have happened
okay you yeah maybe those guys and those
girls are jerks when when when you're
contacting them on a traffic stop maybe
they're not the ones that you want there
if you're having a domestic issue with
it with your spouse because they're not
that compassionate but that is who
you want there so there is a place for a
warrior culture in policing and it's to
avoid stuff like this um the next case I
want to talk about that I think is I
think was an important case is Paul
Pelosi so I know it doesn't compare it
to Uvalde of course not but the Paul
Pelosi case because think about this he
is married to the person who at the time
was the number three in line to be the
president of the United States
um is married to Nancy Pelosi not only
did he get a DUI he'd get a drunk
driving arrest earlier this year
um in the spring but he was also while
Nancy Pelosi wasn't home he didn't have
any security at the house David de Papi
he came into the house forced entry uh
there was a dispute and then Paul Pelosi
called called the police but he didn't
seem you know that he was that animated
about it police got there somehow when
police got there
um he hadn't been injured but once the
police were there that's when he got
bopped over the head with a hammer him
and David de Papi are both in their
underwear so I've gone down a lot of
different things a lot of rabbit holes
and maybe it sounds like I don't know
what I'm talking about too much on this
case this is because no one really knows
because they haven't released the body
cam footage okay so even some earlier
news reports that were put out about the
case they were taken back and and so we
don't know what happened so what I why I
think the Paul Pelosi case is so is so
important it's not just because of who
he was and what happened to him but it's
because of the transparency issue this
is such it this is such an important
issue for me is because we need to know
what happens and as I said when we first
covered the Paul Pelosi case if this was
an officer-involved shooting that if
this was a white cop and a black guy and
it was a controversial officer involved
shooting believe me this body cam
footage would be released within hours
it days at the very most even if it
meant that there was going to be riots
and that it was going to make a police
officer look bad and maybe make it
unsafe for that police officer no one
gives a that body cam is going to
be released but because it's Paul Pelosi
and we don't want him maybe to be
embarrassed then we're going to go ahead
and not release the body cam footage so
I'm not saying that I guess I like
consistency I like intellectually
honesty about this is that we should we
should release the body cam footage
um because it's interesting to the
public because there's a request there's
no more ongoing investigation and he
should have nothing to do with Who's
involved so I feel very very strongly
about that so that's why I think the
Paul Pelosi case is the the second most
important case there just because of the
issues around transparency
that I think are just unbelievably
important um not just the body cam
footage but also the 911 call I want to
hear the 911 call I'm curious what Paul
Pelosi said so a lot of these and you
know what there's so many conspiracy
theories that have sprung up about this
case and if they release the 911 call
and the body camera footage you know
people might have different things to
say about it but there won't be a whole
lot of conspiracies you know so if
people are against like the Alex Jones
types conspiracy theories out there and
think those people are absolutely
ridiculous well be a little more
transparent I guarantee that kind of
stuff stops the last case that I want to
talk about the year from this year I
think is the third or one of the most
important cases it was an
officer-involved shooting that happened
in Grand Rapids Michigan and not only is
it an important case from 2022 but the
officer was just charged with a crime
I'm going to get into it in a second and
that trial is going to happen in 2023.
this is the number one officer involved
police shooting case that I'm following
going into the new year here's what
happened Patrick Loyola in Grand Rapids
Michigan back in April he was driving a
vehicle the vehicle had on the wrong
license plates officer Christopher shur
he conducted a traffic stop on the
vehicle for not having the correct
license plates this is reasonable right
hey if at any point while I'm going
through this you think the cop did
something wrong put it in the chat and
we'll go ahead and address it so what
happened was is the officer can
conducted a traffic stop because the
vehicle didn't have the right license
plates my opinion that's reasonable
often times stolen vehicles have the
wrong license plates the officer makes
the traffic stop Patrick Loyola steps
out of the vehicle now as a police
officer you know this is suspicious this
is strange now the vast majority of the
time especially if it's during the day
sometimes it went at night when police
lights are behind you your entire car
lights up you know what cop is behind
you but I'm going to give it sometimes
during the day
um you know if it's bright outside and
the officer isn't using a siren I could
there are a lot of situations where
maybe a citizen just doesn't realize
that a police officer is trying to pull
them over so this did happen during the
day so most of the time when there's a
traffic stop and the individual just
happens to pull in front of their house
and they don't realize that a police
officer was trying to pull them over the
vast majority of the time the individual
gets out and they almost immediately
think oh and they apologize they go
oh sorry and they get back in the car
like that's a normal human reaction if I
was out of town and I got pulled over
and I didn't realize and I stepped out
and like that's what I would say I would
say oh man I'm getting pulled over I
would get back in the car so that's a
normal reaction but Patrick Loyola
didn't do that once he made eye contact
with the police officer he kind of
started walking towards the police
officer so as a cop and every cop knows
this when you have someone who steps out
of the vehicle during a traffic stop and
then makes eye contact with you so
realize the situation and doesn't get
back in the car and they make eye
contact with you and they lock in on you
that person is going to run or fights
every cop knows it everyone knows that
feeling that you get that's a person who
is going to run or fight that's what
Patrick Loyola did despite that and
that's why in a lot of cases and there's
so many many body cam videos out there
where a situation like this where the
officer just starts screaming at the
individual because they know hey this
isn't right something's wrong this is
going down the path of something being
wrong and a lot of times that manifests
itself from as a police officer not
saying it's correct but we see body cam
footage of it so you know and cell phone
video so I really can't deny it a lot of
times they pull out their guns or their
tasers and they scream and yell get back
in the car get back in the car and you
know those are the kinds of videos we
see that again I can't say enough we see
it all the time we know what happens
that's not what officers sure did so the
idea that officer share was a racist or
that he was some kind of jerk we don't
have any evidence of that because he
doesn't do that to Patrick Loyola he
actually walks up to Patrick Loyola and
he tells him the reason for the traffic
stop you know so he's hey you know can I
have your driver's license I I did a
traffic stop
um he tells them the reason why I hate
these license plates don't match during
this initial contact he could tell or he
thought that well maybe Patrick Loyola
he had an accent and he's like well
maybe Patrick doesn't speak English so
he he confirmed he didn't yell at him or
berate them you know or throw them to
the ground he asked him do you speak
English because he wanted to make sure
that what he was saying was correct or
that the individual understood this is a
very reasonable and you know let's say
nice and respectful thing for officers
sure to do so we asked him if he spoke
English and Patrick Loyola said yes that
he did Officer then again told the
reason for the traffic stop asked for
his driver's license Patrick Loyola did
have a front seat passenger he kind of
when the officer asked for his driver's
license he kind of he kind of he opened
the the the driver's side door and he
you could see him talking to the pastor
and it looked like he was reaching for
something then he takes off and he runs
he runs and at this point he hadn't
given officer sure the driver's license
so officer officer sure chases him on
foot so
okay so there's some criticism of the
officer about chasing him on foot okay
well let's talk about that so I don't
think it was unreasonable here's why so
the suspected crime is a felony you have
the wrong license plates on a vehicle
that's a lot of time the suspected crime
is auto theft or possession of stolen
property that's a felony also he didn't
have petroleola's driver's license so
it's not like if petroleola ran he could
just say oh well okay I'm not going to
chase him but I got this guy's ID I'm
just gonna go back to the station I'm
gonna write a warrant and we're gonna
serve a warrant on him later you can't
do that so we have a felony offender
who's unidentified running from a police
officer very reasonable for a police
officer to get involved in a foot chase
I don't have any problem with that I
don't know of any law training or policy
that would prohibit that again if the
officer if it wasn't a felony and if the
officer had the individual's ID yeah I
could actually see the argument of why
are we chasing him for this we know who
this guy is let's just issue a warrant
form not the case here though okay so
then he chases him on foot the first
thing he does he doesn't just shoot him
as he's running the first thing he does
is he catches up to him in a residential
front yard and he goes hands on so he
uses empty hand techniques in an effort
to try to get Patrick Loyola in custody
this is good he's starting at the lowest
level of force this is what we want Cops
to do we don't want Cops to just jump to
a bean bag shotgun or a taser like this
is if possible we want Cops to use
progressively increase four so he tries
to use empty hand tactics not successful
then he goes to a taser he tries to use
the taser on Patrick Loyola taser isn't
successful the two men end up wrestling
over the taser on the ground now while
they're wrestling for control of the
taser officer sure is yelling let go
with a taser at some point Patrick
Loyola gets sole possession of the taser
at that point officers sure believes
that he is in immediate threat of a
deadly force incident he thinks that his
life is in immediate danger because
Patrick Loyola has Soul console sole
control of the taser and he shoots him
one time so the use of the deadly force
a lot lot of people criticize that but I
just want to talk about that for a
second so here's what you have to think
about and I've said it before that a
taser is not considered a deadly weapon
from a police officer here's why when
you're in the police academy as a police
officer you are tased when I went
through taser training I was tased I was
told I had to be tased found out later
on that it's actually not part of the
curriculum our Police Academy
instructors just wanted us to go through
it because they thought it was a good
idea or they were a little bit statistic
either way it is a good idea because as
a police officer if it's a device you're
going to be using against someone
obviously on a firearm but you know if
it's something that's non-lethal you're
going to use against someone it's
reasonable to know like what the effects
are so I know what a taser feels like if
it's done correctly that's that's a good
knowledge for police officers to have so
it's not that Patrick Loyola having the
taser shooting the taser and being
shocked that five second 50 000 volts of
electricity that is not what's dangerous
to a police officer again we're tasing
the police academy here's what's
dangerous about being tased if you're a
police officer while you're being tased
that five second cycle and if you keep
pulling the trigger you can make that
five second cycle be 10 seconds 20
seconds you can just keep going as long
as the probes are still attached right
so it's while you're under control
you're incapacitated you can't move
during that time being incapacitated the
individual in this case Mr Loyola could
grab the officer's gun and shoot him in
the face or Patrick loyal could grab a
rock and smash his head in so so if the
likely outcome is death then it's
reasonable and proportional that once a
police officer is faced with being tased
that they respond with deadly force and
I'm just going to say it in another way
if you think it's not a reasonable use
of deadly force here's what you're
asking for a police officer do you're
saying hey officer here's a guy he
committed a felony he ran from you he
fought with you and he stole one of your
weapons now he's tased you okay and
we're gonna ask you to in that moment to
trust him to not kill you when he has
the ability to so you know what has the
individual done what is Patrick Loyola
done in this brief interaction that
would let the officer think that
Patrick's a decent guy he has good
intentions he's not going to hurt me
literally everything that Patrick has
done would lead a reasonable person to
believe that he's going to hurt the
officer so the use of deadly force to me
is a very reasonable thing
um people complained about where the
individual was shot because the officer
shot him in the back of the head okay
fine that looks bad but you know what
where the actual shot was placed isn't
relevant here's why police officers are
not allowed to shoot to wound okay it's
not like police so police officers are
only allowed to use their firearm in a
situation that's deadly forced if you
have a situation that isn't deadly force
they should not be shooting they should
be using a taser or a baton or a bean
bag shotgun so since police officers are
legally and by policy only permitted to
utilize a firearm in a deadly force
situation it doesn't matter if that
deadly force shot is to the head if it's
to the chest if it's to the arm to the
leg that doesn't matter what's matters
what's relevant not where the shot was
placed but the question of was deadly
force authorized was it legal was it
reasonable was it Justified if the idea
of deadly force is authorized fine maybe
it doesn't look good where he shot him
but honestly it just it isn't a relevant
matter that's my opinion on that also
um I Patrick Loyola he some people think
he didn't know what was happening listen
this guy had been arrested for stealing
cars three different times he had been
arrested for domestic violence on the
day in question he had a revoke license
and three warrants for his arrest that's
why he ran the thing is is Patrick
Loyola had been arrested at least four
times prior but you know what he was
never beat up had four shoes against him
or shot by a police officer you know why
because he cooperated but he took the
specific act to steal a taser and that's
why he was shot and killed on this day
if he acts just like he did with his
other four arrests then officer sure
doesn't harm him and there is no
question about that um I want to relate
this just a little bit it to the Garrett
Wolfe case so the Garrett Rolf case this
was a case in Atlanta from 2020
um you remember this case it was a DWI
investigation in Atlanta in the Wendy's
parking lot and during this the
investigation
um Ray Shard Brooks was over to
overpower officer Brosnan and officer
Rolfe um he overpowered them he stole
one of their tasers and uh Richard
Brooks is running away from the police
officers with the taser in his hand
officer Rolf is following him while
running behind him
um Ray Shard Brooks takes the taser
points it at the officer officer roll
fires a shot officer wolf was initially
and kills him officer Rolfe was
initially charged with murder
um however though those charges were
dismissed earlier this year which is a
good thing
um it was it was pretty much the best
piece of law enforcement news that uh in
the legal world that almost any of us
got was the officer Ralph's charges were
dismissed but what the D.A said the D.A
said the charges were dismissed the D.A
said there is case law to show that when
a police officer is faced with a taser
that the police officer can and should
consider that to be a deadly force
that's going to be used upon them so
again it's not just me saying this the
that's why charges were dismissed
against officer Rolfe and then again
also against officer Brosnan in that
Atlantic case and I'm gonna and I guess
at a different state we have Georgia we
have Michiana gate I guess it's a
different state but I'm going to make
the argument that officers sure was
actually in Greater physical danger than
officer Ralph was think about this so
officer Rolfe is chasing behind Rayshawn
Brooks rayshard Brooks has a taser and
points it behind Okay I think it was a
lawful reasonable Justified officer
involved shooting but if officer Rolf
wanted to he could have just stopped
running a taser only has a length of
what 25 feet Max
um so officer Rolfe could have just
stopped running from rayshard Brooks and
he wouldn't have been in danger anymore
right
um as opposed to officer sure with
Patrick Loyola he was engaged in an
active fight physically right with
Patrick Loyola so he was in more danger
and if we just look at this from a
reasonable standpoint if we if if the
Garrett Rolfe if he was considered to be
in
in fear or his fear of being in uh uh of
of being killed or great bodily injury
was reasonable the same thing even more
has to be for officer sure uh okay let's
see if we have any comments on that
those are some of my thoughts about that
case um uh officer sure is going to
trial in 2023 it's the number one case
that I'm following because I think these
um I think these um uh charged against
him are absolutely ridiculous uh let's
see uh Bruce Blankenship says if you're
gonna shoot shoot to kill okay that's a
good point so the way that police
officers are trained is their is their
trained to
shoot to stop the threat if not shoot to
wound it's not it's not true to kill
it's shoot to stop the threat meaning if
a police officer if if there's a deadly
threat a police officer shoots and the
individual who had a gun throws the gun
well there's no longer a deadly threat
you're shooting to stop the threat the
threat stop you stop shooting so um
that's how police officers are trained
police officers are not not trained to
shoot to wound that's a good thing
because let's look at this let's say why
didn't he shoot him in the leg
um okay so if we're oh if we all agree
this is a situation that doesn't require
deadly force and here you are telling
police officers under stress to try to
shoot someone in the leg the chance that
they're going to hit a femoral artery
and kill the person yeah that's a pretty
high chance of that so no guns are for
serious situations where deadly force is
lawful and reasonable and Justified if
we all agree that the individual isn't a
deadly threat cops shouldn't be shooting
and if they do that is absolutely
unlawful uh stray dog exposure for every
legitimate official shooting I can show
you 100 that isn't legitimate yet still
rude justify uh by their own Department
in the Crooked yet I disagree disagree
so I've actually covered this uh quite a
lot stray dog on my sub stack where I
write on there
um comment there comment here
um you show me a hundred officer
involved shootings that are not lawful
where the officer wasn't held
accountable and what I mean by held
accountable is that they weren't
prosecuted if an officer is prosecuted
and a jury finds them not guilty that's
not the fault of the D.A or the
government okay you show me cases where
it's it's obvious unlawful
officer-involved shooting and the cop
wasn't prosecuted show me a hundred of
those I know you can't show me 10. even
if you show me five I'm going to say
well there's 250 million annual Citizen
Police Officer contacts and um you know
there's a thousand officer involved
shooting so I mean so no it's absolutely
it happens every day watch our videos I
will um straight dog uh the exposure I
will watch your videos
um I I absolutely plan to because I'd
love to go back and forth with you on
this because I love the debate I think
it's excellent thank you for commenting
and I'm absolutely gonna check out check
out your channel after this uh let's see
Bruce Blankenship well exactly you can
Miss A Leg Center Mass in the norm yeah
so that's why police officers again if
it's not a deadly force situation we all
agree police officers shouldn't be using
guns uh let's see uh stray the dog I had
to delete some off the channel because
you type YouTube penalize me yeah they
absolutely do this uh they will do that
um free says I don't blame the cup I
don't I don't either again you know I
try to take this petrol oily case like I
do with all cases so all of these police
cases have what I call decision points
okay that's why so it's a decision point
is basically like you know should I stop
the vehicle okay so all right it's easy
to have criticism oh the cops are bad
the cops are militarized the cops are
wild the cops are racist like that's
like dishonest criticism that no one
takes seriously but let's look at cases
specifically which is what I just tried
to do with Patrick oil let's take it
step by step and if you think of police
officer did the right thing I want to
hear what you have to say but I want you
to be specific about the criticism okay
here's a case here's the traffic stop
the police officer should or shouldn't
have made a traffic stop here's why if
you say no well why not is there laws
their policy is their training that's
where I think is there's a space for
honest list an interesting debate to
take place is criticism like that okay
well that's just about going to be our
show for the year that was our last show
um and again if you think that there
were some other really important police
cases that should have made it into our
top three putting in the chat put it in
there um I'll definitely look over it
maybe we can go over a couple tomorrow
in an over or next week and overfill
that I didn't get to today
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