foreign good afternoon this is Daniel
here with cops and cons TV I just want
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today so we're going to go over some of
the most interesting cases that happen
in police and crime and uh all that
interesting topics from the last week
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the first case that we're going to start
with is the Alec Baldwin case so Alec
Baldwin after a 15-month investigation
he was finally charged with involuntary
manslaughter now I know everybody is
pretty familiar with this case but just
a short recap so back in back in about
15 months ago uh near Santa Fe New
Mexico it's not in the city of Santa Fe
but kind of on the outskirts kind of in
the the middle of nowhere you know
outside of Santa Fe New Mexico it's real
looks like a desert out there Alec
Baldwin was filming a movie that he was
one of the executive producers on and he
was also the the one of the actors the
star of the movie called rust um while
they were filming this movie
um he plays uh he plays in an older
gentleman who uh is kind of like a
cowboy and there's a lot of scenes in
this old church where Alec Baldwin you
know has a firearm well in preparation
for one of these scenes as you all
remember he fired a gun
um during rehearsal right before the the
shot was going to take place or the
filming was going to take place and he
killed um the cinematographer Helena
Hutchins
well Souza
um this was this happened obviously the
the police were called and you know
after this Alec Baldwin you know he went
on he did a media tour uh and he did all
kinds of different interviews with
people and he said a couple different
things that didn't make a whole lot of
sense one of the things that Alec
Baldwin said is that he didn't pull the
trigger he said that he didn't pull the
trigger but somehow the gun just went
off now I when this first happened we
pretty much called [ __ ] on that that
there is no magic gun so I mean that was
what we said here on Cops and con CD
because that just makes sense anyone
who's handled guns or has been around
Firearms knows that Firearms don't just
go off so the magic gun Theory never
made a whole lot of sense well uh
recently it came out that the D.A in New
Mexico uh judicial uh district attorney
uh Mary uh Carmack altwise she did a
statement uh within the last couple days
after Alec Baldwin was charged and she
kind of went over that and she sat down
with the media which was a great thing
for her to do to answer some of these
relevant and important questions that
just about everyone has and the person
who was interviewing her said you know
Alec Baldwin said he never pulled the
trigger like do you have any information
on that and and you know uh the the D.A
said uh 100 accurately and appropriately
that one guns just don't go off but just
to be sure we sent this gun to the FBI
and the FBI gun experts they checked it
out to make sure that there was nothing
strange about the gun there were no
malfunctions or anything like that and
basically confirmed that the magic gun
theory is nonsense so uh he went she
went they went ahead and after like I
said they did a rigorous investigation
which is what we want so we don't want
Alec Baldwin to get any special
treatment because he's a celebrity also
we don't want to just file charges on
someone who you know may not there may
not be probable cause for arrest or they
might the D.A might not be able to meet
the burden of Beyond A Reasonable Doubt
so the fact that the D.A took time to
really investigate this case and that
that's a good thing so I'm glad that the
investigation was thorough and the end
of that investigation Alec Baldwin is
charged with two counts of involuntary
manslaughter uh and also um the the
armorer um her name is Hannah Gutierrez
read she is also charged um with that as
well so kind of what we think happens is
that the armorer Hannah Gutierrez read
handed the a gun to one of the assistant
assistant directors and then the
assistant director there's some dispute
over what the facts are but told Alec
Baldwin that it was a cold gun and
handed it to him so obviously there's
facts that are in dispute and the jury
is going to be able to hear those facts
at trial but that's pretty much what
happened so the idea that the armorer so
the person who was uh and and I just
should say so the person in the middle
the director his name is David Hall he
actually took a plea deal so pretty much
before he was charged his attorney uh
Lisa tarako she was able to work out a
deal with him which I think was probably
the absolute best thing for her to do he
got some really excellent representation
there where essentially he took a plea
deal where it looks like he's going to
get six months of probation in exchange
he's going to testify against both
Hannah Gutierrez read and against Alec
Baldwin when we say testify against I
mean he's essentially going to say what
he thinks is true what he thinks
happened his version of the events he's
going to go ahead and say that in court
um and he's going to be able to be
cross-examined because he'll be a
witness for the prosecution but you know
there aren't going to be any other
pending charges against him you know he
pled guilty to whatever charge he pled
to and he has six months of probation
which again is probably the best thing
for him so you have to look at it this
way in the investigation it it would
seem like the district attorney and the
investigators looked at this looked at
these three individuals okay you have
the armorer who who's Hannah Gutierrez
whose responsibility it is to make sure
the gun and everything is is safe uh
it's ultimately her responsibility she
hands it to David Hall in the middle who
then hands it to Alec Baldwin so you
have three individuals who have
possession of this gun at some point
before the before the homicide happened
so you know at what level of culpability
is each of these individuals well it
seems to me that the D.A felt that it
was the person in the middle David Hall
who was the least culpable that's my
guess as to why he was offered a deal
okay so um he was charged with
involuntary manslaughter and you know
it's this is really interesting because
you have to think about it this way like
let's look at it from the point from the
point of view of Alec Baldwin okay
you're Alec Baldwin you're a producer of
of the movie you are also an actor so in
long story short you have a lot of [ __ ]
going on you're busy you're not just
sitting around being an executive
producer in a movie even if it's a low
budget crappy Western being an executive
producer and the lead actor there's
probably a lot going on so from his
point of view my argument would be okay
so yes he has a lot going on so he hired
someone specifically a gun expert and
and Alec Baldwin is also a full-time uh
tweeter on Twitter so you know he does
have that job as well that he's probably
always thinking about but he so he has
hired as the producer a gun expert
someone whose sole responsibility is to
make everything safe to kind of take the
liability off of him so that he could
you know worry about producing and
acting in this movie so that would be my
argument that hey no I Alec he
recognizes he doesn't want this
responsibility so they specifically paid
for someone to do this job to make sure
everything's safe so that's why Alec
believed that the gun wasn't that's why
Alec believed that the gun wasn't loaded
because he specifically hired someone
for that job and listen I get that
argument Common Sense wise like that
kind of makes sense but when it comes to
the actual law as simple as I can put it
there just is no exception in law to uh
homicide that happens on a movie set and
I'm going to say it this way so when it
comes to law the way that laws are
written you know and it's it's
essentially it's it's elements of a
crime if you do this this and this
that's involuntary manslaughter you know
and they have different elements to
crime while the elements to criminal
acts into criminal charges typically you
know they're not facts specific so
that's why I said that there's no
exception in law for something that
happens on a movie set so think about it
this way me and you and someone else
were in a garage and we're just hanging
out in someone's garage one of one of
our friends hands me a gun and says hey
it's cold there's nothing in the gun I
don't check it I don't look at it I just
trust my friend who handed it to me I
point the gun at someone I shoot him and
they die am I going to get charged with
that absolutely 100 so if you look at
the elements of a crime you know that's
there's no intent for me to that I was
trying to kill someone I was told that
it wasn't I was told that it wasn't
loaded but it's still my responsibility
to check and that's actually what a D.A
Mary Carmack although I said in the
interview that she did yesterday she
said that it's Whoever has the gun that
a gun is such an awesome responsibility
and has such power to it that no matter
who has the gun before you pointed at
someone to pull the trigger it is your
responsibility to check to make sure
that it is safe and not loaded so let's
see what people's comments are about
this because I'm really curious to see
what people have to say about this
particular case uh let's see uh Larry
says uh yeah how is the gun gonna go off
without pulling the trigger exactly um
Larry yeah 15 months ago I said that the
magic gun theory is [ __ ] and it
still is Randall Lewis uh let's see uh
yes good charges it's still the
shooter's job to make sure the weapon is
safe absolutely uh Ray Baker Hannah is
guilty in my opinion Ray I'm gonna get
to that in a second but um I think that
there's in my mind from what I know and
I'm you know not sitting in with the
investigators but from what information
is public
um it seems like yeah that it's pretty
reasonable that Hannah Gutierrez was
going to be charged um that seems like a
reasonable thing I'm definitely not
surprised by that uh Paul soprano her
family may uh civilly be charged him if
they haven't already yeah there is a
civil lawsuit that has been filed
absolutely uh and Mary from Chicago says
they already this is they already
settled the civil case out of court
which they absolutely did uh let's see
uh the ray Baker says you didn't hire a
professional that's the difference well
um I I believe that hey Ray so I believe
that we may look at her and say
um no she's not experienced as even just
a regular street cop or a retired police
officer or maybe other people who do
this job maybe she's not an experienced
but my understanding and please correct
me if I'm wrong but my understanding is
that whatever minimum standards that
they actually are in order to have this
job to be like the safety person on
scene that she at least met those uh
minimum qualifications now if I'm going
to be her defense attorney here's what I
would say and I think this is going to
be her defense and this probably should
be her defense and she actually has an
excellent uh defense attorney who is
representing her but her defense is
going to be something to the effect of
okay yes my job was safety but this this
is such a low budget film that they had
me doing all these other things so I was
also in charge of wardrobe I was in
charge of this so yes so and and it was
documented that um many different um
people who were working on set actually
complained about how the scene wasn't
safe about how it wasn't safe so Hannah
Gutierrez what she should be arguing
with her attorney is going to be arguing
is that
um there was this entire system this
entire set was not safe not Hannah's
fault she's the lowest on the totem pole
she did everything she could with what
she was given but she was given all
these different jobs if this had been
done correctly managed correctly by The
Producers one of them being Alec Baldwin
that hey this is your only job is to
manage safety not all these other things
that she would have been able to do that
properly but for a mismanagement from
the top
um that's going to be her argument and
you know what that actually might be a
compelling argument
um the one question that Mary Carmack
altwise the D.A said yesterday okay that
kind of the question that everybody
wants to know and she said yesterday
that they still don't have an answer to
this is where did the live live rounds
come from who brought the live rounds
there who put the live rounds in the gun
so it seems like they still don't know
the answer to that and I think that's
one of the questions that everybody kind
of wants to know all right let's see if
we have any other uh questions here
uh let's see not an ATF agent how do you
think this is going to affect the
industry oh God that's such a great
question um so my guess is that this is
going to affect the industry in a couple
different ways um either they are and
I'm not a movie expert or or a film
producer anything like that I'm sure
people in here know more than me but
some of my thoughts on that are is that
something is going to change meaning
either
um they're going to make sure put it in
policy that um Whoever has the gun at
every stage has to check so the idea of
Alec Baldwin saying well I thought two
other people had checked yeah that isn't
going to be a thing anymore and whoever
handles the gun at any point during the
chain of custody there I have to check
it no matter what that's actually part
of it or they are going to um or they
are going to uh go away from or they are
going to go away from using real guns
real guns in the first place um I
believe that The Rock has said that he
will pay for CGI with guns um it just
seems like and again not a movie expert
but it just seems like
um the idea of having a real gun that
has the ability to even shoot actual
real rounds um why they're using that
with all the technology why can't it be
some type of an actual prop fake gun
that you know it isn't a real firearm
and how you can't use that with with
technology in CGI how that isn't a thing
already is is absolutely crazy to me um
so my guess is is it goes one of two
ways maybe both but um my guess is
that's how this is that's how this is
going to go
um those are those are my thoughts uh uh
let's see uh Paul says uh industry May
hire a safety officer uh for on-site
production well that's what Hannah
Gutierrez was supposed to be Paul that
was literally her job her job was to be
the safety officer on scene but again
one of the problems you know if I'm her
defense attorney who I believe is that
Jason Bowles who's an excellent attorney
his probably reasonable argument in
defending Hannah Gutierrez Reid are
Hannah Reed Gutierrez is going to be
that she wasn't just the safety person
it was mismanaged so much he had her
doing five different things so you know
to expect someone to have more than one
job where you're out running around
doing different things and then even on
top of that you're still not going to
check the gun yourself and think they're
doing this a hundred percent when you're
giving them extra tasks that's not a
reasonable expectation the fault is with
Alec Baldwin that is absolutely what
should be argued in her defense so I
really think that both individuals have
an interesting and maybe a plausible
defense when I looked at this case from
the very start I said to myself you know
talking with people um that you know if
this was just a civil case like if no
criminal charges were filed could there
be a reasonable defense for everyone and
that instead of this going criminal this
is just a huge civil case like that
wouldn't have surprised me either
because again I honestly do think that
both Alec Baldwin and Hannah Hannah
Gutierrez have a reasonable defense as
to why they're not culpable and that
instead it was the system that was that
was culpable which typically when that
happens it's an insurance issue it's a
civil case not a criminal case so this
is going to be extremely interesting and
I just want to put it out there um that
we had do have uh the body cam video
from a lot of the aftermath of this case
um cops and cons interview is actually
one of the first ones in the entire
country to get the body cam video so I
think we're probably going to link it on
here but if you haven't watched it we
have a whole bunch of it so we're gonna
we're gonna put it on there as well
um uh let's see um also I should say
that uh Santa Fe is chomping at the bit
for a court TV Saga
um uh the economy would be booming with
a two-week trial so that's what a lot of
people have said um is that you know the
D.A is trying to make a name for herself
um that you know this would be really
good for the economy in Santa Fe
um I I don't see that I I do think it's
good for the economy meaning this is
going to bring the entire world
um the entire media to Santa Fe uh which
is a good thing for the economy um I
honestly don't don't get the feeling
that the the district attorney
um who has always been a really um a
respectable and professional attorney um
in in New Mexico I do not get the
feeling that she's trying to do this to
to put her name out there or for
anything like that um and again the fact
that this was a 15-month investigation
that she didn't just file charges after
30 days I mean she was 100 absolutely
thorough with this case and um so I I
believe that she believes that a crime
has been committed that she can prove
Beyond A Reasonable Doubt and um this is
uh for those of us who kind of like to
watch this stuff and follow these cases
it's going to be unbelievably
interesting uh brother Teresa says that
Jerry uh Jeremy DeWitt is my hero well
he's mine too and if you watch Cops and
cons TV at all uh you will know that um
we are huge fans of Jeremy DeWitt
um definitely hoping that he gets out of
he gets out of jail so he can give us
some more content to put on there all
right next case that we're going to talk
about is the Idaho murder case now I I
know that you hear about this case
everywhere um so I'm just going to go
over a couple of the updates that have
happened in the Idaho case and the first
thing that I want to say is that if
there's one lesson to take away from
this case it's that police officers and
investigators they know more than they
let on so I mean you have to think about
it this way when this first happened and
it was two weeks in there were all kinds
of people in the media that were
contacting the victim's family which is
really a shitty thing to do you
shouldn't be doing that because these
people just had a loved one killed and
you're asking them questions about the
police investigation I mean it's
absolutely crazy that that the the
people in the media would even be asking
questions like that what do you expect
these people to say so anything that the
family said in the media I I don't hold
them I don't have any ill will towards
them um again I can't even imagine what
that would be like
um I blame the people who are asking the
questions and trying to exploit these
people on their television networks but
you know there's a lot of criticism of
the police especially within like two
weeks of they don't have anyone to
custody they don't have any leads and I
I just remember saying I think I even
said it on the show that like the police
could have five leads they could have
ten leads they could literally be
tracking someone across the country or
whether their movements and have
warrants and wiretaps and and and GPS on
someone's car right now but they're not
going to tell you that like like just
because the police aren't putting it out
there in the public doesn't mean they're
not working behind the scenes does it
mean that they don't know what they're
doing so um and I just want to put it
out there that the more media attention
that is on any particular case the more
careful that the the police and the
investigators are going to be with what
information that they put out there in
the public and that they keep from the
public so I think that's pretty
reasonable also um most people said that
you know espec except for crazy people
on Tick Tock who were talking to
psychics and you know blaming um uh uh
College professors because of what some
kind of a tarot card said what was said
on the moon card like like Miss Cleo um
besides that most people thought and
kind of had the idea okay whoever killed
these people they they knew at least one
of the victims they knew at least of
them they were they were being stalking
this wasn't just a random crime right I
think everyone pretty much knew that
this wasn't just someone walking down
the street and says hey that three-story
house looks kind of cool let me go in
there like no there was some planning to
this there was some um prior knowledge
most people thought that and that was a
reasonable thing to think and you know
as more evidence becomes public you know
that's pretty much confirming that so um
the the the the accused killer
um it came out this week that
um he had visited the restaurant that uh
one of the girls one of the victims had
worked at at least two times and then
almost more interesting than that is
that he actually followed all three of
the female victims on Instagram now um
I'm on Instagram and a lot of people are
so if you're not familiar with how
Instagram works if you're not friends
with someone you can still send them a
message but it doesn't go in your normal
box or mailbox or folder of of messages
so if someone you don't know or aren't
friends with sends you a message it
basically goes into like a separate like
junk folder that most people don't even
listen to because you ever look at
because it's mostly like uh
solicitations of people trying to get
you to buy crypto and crazy things like
that so most people don't even look at
this like junk mailbox on Instagram and
um or it's uh uh you know it's
definitely a creepy dude sliding into
the DMS of young college girls
um but it's it's so that's what he did
so the the killer the accused killer he
sent one of the females and they didn't
say who but they sent her um several
different messages
um and again on Instagram but again it
because they weren't friends or because
they weren't she didn't follow him back
it's unknown if she even saw the
messages I mean most likely not um
however she didn't respond to the
messages from what we're getting from
some of the media reports is that the
messages weren't overtly creepy they
were to the effect of hey how are you
doing but the media reported that it was
consistent and it was persistent meaning
he sent the same kind of message like
how were you doing like multiple times
over over a two-week period before the
homicides happen so I just kind of want
to put that out there that like you know
we all kind of thought that there was
some prior connection and as more
evidence comes out it really just proves
that uh let's see what people have to
say about this uh Secret Agent Man
sometimes outwardly talking about the
situation is is good medicine I
absolutely agree
um yeah you're 100 100 correct there uh
let's see
um
black girl magic used to run around town
with a gun and badge people would wave
and smile thank me for my service uh
that I just turned seven I decided to
become a cowgirl okay all right I like
the humor there black girl magic
fantastic all right so um yeah so that's
the updates in the Idaho case um again
it's just not looking great um for the
accused killer
um it was interesting to listen to um
the Reasonable Doubt podcast is is a
great legal podcast I listen to it it's
with Mark garagosa the famous defense
attorney and Adam Carolla and they
always talk about these these uh
relevant cases that are happening now
and you know one of the things that Mark
garigo said is that you know one of the
things the pieces of evidence that was
in the affidavit that we know publicly
that that is the place are using against
the accused killer in this case is that
um his cell phone pinged
um you know near one of the towers kind
of where the girls live well you know
Mark garigo's obviously he's he's a
defense attorney so he's always looking
at things I'm not believing what the
prosecutor says and he kind of explained
how cell phone picking works and he gave
a really good example he's like if me
and you are sitting right here and let's
say I'm using my cell phone he's like
let's say the cell phone tower that's
closest is full it's busy whatever
synonym you want to use for for that and
you know so essentially if you looked at
my phone right now maybe it would ping
10 miles away because that's just the
next closest cell phone signal I said so
just because it pings someplace doesn't
mean the person was there he said you
and I could be sitting in the exact same
place your cell phone could ping here
his could ping um three three miles away
to the next closest Tower if this one is
too busy or has too much traffic now I I
don't know how true that is I'm not sure
but um it's interesting to hear a
defense attorney say that so um you know
you would think that might be relevant
information for his defense if it's one
time now if it's 10 20 30 different
times that his phone was pinging near uh
the girl's house
um I think you know you're gonna have
more of a problem with that as opposed
if it was just a one-time thing all
right let's see if we have any other
questions uh about that
um uh Canon rep where has this guy been
epic show thank you well Canon rip I've
been right here um I think we've done a
show um every week the last uh three or
four weeks every now and then we missed
one but um typically
um uh typically uh uh we are here uh
Fridays and um uh if for some reason you
missed the live show you can always go
back and watch the watch the stream on
YouTube it's going to live and and it's
there and you can still comment on it
and I still check those comments
um all week so um Canon uh Canon rap I
really I really appreciate that okay so
the last um big case I've got definitely
more case is to talk about but the last
I kind of like major case from this week
that I want to get into
um so again it is kind of like a New
Mexico day because I talked about um uh
I I talked about
um uh Alec Baldwin earlier but this is
an absolutely crazy case and it wasn't
just a local case here in the southwest
it was actually a national case where um
uh people were talking about this all
over the place and I said this before
about Albuquerque New Mexico that if you
watch Breaking Bad like the way it
depicts Albuquerque is is perfect um a
lot of times a city or a town isn't
depicted correctly in a show
um Breaking Bad depicts Albuquerque
really just like it is it is an absolute
crazy wild place so here's an example of
that this guy's name is Solomon Pena um
a little bit about Mr Solomon so um back
in the early 2000s he was part of a
group of people who did Smash and grab
robberies in the Albuquerque area well
he was caught and he did seven years in
prison while he was doing to be uh seven
years in prison oh I should also say
that he alleges to be a Navy veteran
however
um kind of like a George Santos thing
not really able to verify those facts
though he claims to be a prior military
um so he did a seven years in prison for
this at some point or somehow he became
very right-wing um very big Donald Trump
supporter um I believe he was in
Washington DC for the um I'm not sure if
he was there at January 6 but the
reports are that he was in DC at some
maybe even the first Trump rally on
January 6th and he um uh so then in this
last election cycle he decided to run
for the New Mexico uh state house for a
state house representative seat here in
New Mexico he ran against a democratic
incumbent uh opponents now because he
was a convicted felon there's a law in
New Mexico that essentially says that if
you're a convicted felon you can't run
for public office so um his opponents
tried to essentially get him thrown off
the ballot right from the start citing
this New Mexico law well he challenged
it and judge actually agreed with him a
judge found that law was not
constitutional and allowed Mr Pena to
run so he ran and he lost by 47
percentage points this wasn't a close
race he lost by 47 percentage points but
he didn't think he lost so he claimed he
refused to concede the election
um he refused to um uh and I should just
maybe did a little bit more context
helps so he ran in a very blue District
so it's not like he was in a purple
District or a red District so he ran
against a popular Democrat incumbent in
a house seat the Democrats always win so
essentially the most moderate reasonable
normal Republican would have zero chance
winning in this particular uh seat so
someone like him with his history and
you know his
um a very right-wing Trump trump
supporter again that works if you're in
lowering uh beaubridge District it
doesn't work for this um pretty far
left-wing District here in the middle of
of Albuquerque New Mexico so anyway so
he lost um no one was um no one was uh
surprised that he lost but he lost by
again a huge margin 47 percentage points
he refused to concede he said that there
was voter fraud that there was election
fraud um he got all these documents and
stuff like that that you know he was he
was um trying to prove that there was
election fraud which is absolutely
nonsense there was no election fraud
there's certainly no no evidence of
election fraud and again this is a seat
that no Republican would have won even a
normal Republican would have won so um
the idea that there was voter fraud and
that's why he lost is absolutely insane
um but what he did afterwards he had all
this paperwork and this documentation
that he thought proved his case and and
you know after the election he was he
would go around to many um other leaders
in the Democratic party and he was
following them around to their houses to
their businesses
um a couple of them have ring camera
video of him going up to their houses
and talking to them in their front yards
trying to hand them paperwork through
fences well what ended up happening was
is a couple weeks ago
um there was a rash of people shooting
guns at or near the homes of democratic
uh representative politicians in the
Albuquerque area so there were four of
them who were targeted where
um someone actually came by and fired a
gun at their homes and businesses so
this ended up being a national story The
District Attorney the the sheriff the
chief of police
um and even the the feds got involved I
believe that city leaders in Albuquerque
were on Fox News and CNN and MSNBC
um National show is talking about this
well eventually they got someone into
custody they made an arrest and it was
Solomon Pena so Solomon Pena is the
alleged person who not only did this but
the allegation is that he essentially
hired two other individuals um to do
this for him so there is a report that
he tried to do this with an AR-15 at one
of the residences but the AR-15 jammed
but um essentially he's being accused of
a conspiracy of hiring other are people
to go out and do this now some of the
evidence that the police have put out
there in the public is that they
actually it seems like the other people
that he hired who did the shooting at
least on a couple of occasions they're
simply they're cooperating with police
or they gave police statements because
um the police are saying that they have
some text messages
um from Solomon Pena to these other
individuals essentially giving
instructions on on not only whose house
to Target but also specific information
on where on the house that these these
individuals should fire their guns at
thus in order to create maximum damage
um so I should just say that the the
criminal complaint um also indicates
that they had code words in text
um so it's very specific in information
like this that is really damning um so
so yeah I just and the last thing that I
want to say about Solomon Pena is that
you know if he's convicted he is going
to have decades in prison to work on a
better election strategy so um but again
Albuquerque crazy place and Solomon Pena
he is uh he is a um a proof of that uh
black girl magic oh let's see we got
here I got I know that you can track an
IP address but if you're using a VPN
still give a false location don't know
I'm I'm not I'm not a tech person when
it comes that kind of stuff so I don't
know um uh mark garagos what he said
about the cell phone king of different
Towers
um I believe that there's probably some
truth to what he says but he's saying
things in in light of the defense
because he's a he's a defense attorney
so I'm not exactly sure what he says
Randall Lewis it is good to see you
again too thank you so much uh let's see
uh Mark says um of course the gun can go
out without pulling the trigger just
pull the hammer back before the half
[ __ ] and drop it okay uh let's see James
Echo from San Antonio California hey
copsicons did you ever hear Derek
Chauvin his appealing his case James
Echo how did you know because we're
going to get to that story here in a
couple minutes um it's about two stories
down so why don't you hang out and we're
gonna talk about Derek shovin's appeal
because it's actually really interesting
okay I just want to touch on uh some
other really interesting police news
kind of just like short hits on a couple
other stories one of them being the
Derek Chauvin case but um the next one I
want to get to is this is a Houston hero
case I'm calling it the Houston hero
case maybe this guy's not a hero but um
essentially this was in the we covered
it last week so you remember it was in
Houston uh it was 11 30 at night at a
Taqueria and again I know I'm not
pronouncing that correctly a Mexican
restaurant where an individual named
Eric Washington came in he pointed a gun
um and he not only robbed the the the
workers and the and the the cash
register but he did kind of like a Pulp
Fiction where he was stealing the
wallets of all the other all the other
people in there and as he as he did it
um there was an individual who was
sitting sitting there who was also armed
because this is Texas and uh you know
when the bad guys Point his gun at
people people are fearing for their
lives when he turned his back um this
individual uh I'll call him uh call him
the Houston hero a 46 year old man give
his name yet he shot he shot and killed
Mr Washington
um and he shot and killed Mr Washington
like we explained last week there was a
reasonable use of deadly force I think
he shot nine times the first six
everyone's good with no one has a
problem with the first six because there
was a reasonable deadly threat to other
people totally good under self-defense
law however at some point Mr Washington
fell on the ground probably is severely
injured maybe even fatally injured uh
and after the threat is gone after the
gun has kind of been pushed away from Mr
Washington
um as he's leaving uh the Houston hero
shoots him a couple more times so as I
said last week legally
um there really is no defense so they
are taking it to a grand jury and and
we'll see what happens but legally I
mean they're just there is no objective
legal defense for those last couple
shots
um however uh morally speaking um he's
probably going to be okay with the Texas
grand jury so I would be surprised if
they indict so the the individual's
family the guy who who was the robber
who died Eric Washington so what's
happened in Houston is that activists
have basically descended and are on
Houston are demanding charges against
this individual um so
um uh uh uh Al Sharpton the New Black
Panthers the rainbow push Coalition they
have descended on Houston and they've
been doing all these press conferences
with activists basically saying that
they want the individual the Houston
hero they want him charged and I quote
with something so they are pushing for
criminal charges um essentially they are
trying to bring in race and and listen
like most cases the color of Mr
Washington's skin is literally the least
interesting and relevant part of this
entire case and being opposed to armed
robbers isn't racist
um so we'll see what happens in Houston
if there is uh if there is any uh
charges that are filed Secret Agent Man
I heard that on YouTube a couple days
ago yeah this is absolutely crazy case
uh Ray Baker if I'm on the jury that guy
is walking out of the courtroom of free
man yeah Ray Baker I think that's a
really good point and so they're just at
the Grand Jury stage so you know
basically the grand jury is going to
hear facts from the prosecutor and a lot
of times in grand juries if the
prosecutor doesn't want charges to be
filed they can kind of um give the facts
in a way that makes it seem like you
know that that they can't win at trial
that can happen in grand juries um so
you know we'll see what the mood of the
prosecutor is if the prosecutor is very
motivated it's very possible that the
grand jury might file charges and then
if charges are filed we'll see what
those would even be and then you know
would you actually get a Beyond A
Reasonable Doubt guilty um probably not
in my guess is charges won't be filed at
all that a grand jury will decide to not
file the charges and I look at it this
way so you know the deadly force was
authorized right I think everybody
agrees with that I think even this guy's
family and Al Sharpton they all agree
that they say that yes he did the right
thing initially so basically what
they're saying is that yeah we're good
with him being shot six times just not
nine times well that doesn't make a
whole lot of sense it's like with police
cases either deadly force is authorized
and reasonable or it's not so um yeah so
this will be this will be an interesting
case uh Kenneth says I literally
encountered this dude uh no BS in Corpus
Christi oh wow I believe you uh uh
Nikolai says the ham sandwich principle
yeah so what what what Nikolai is saying
is that if a prosecutor wants to um
Grand Jury you can indict uh you can
diet a ham sandwich
um uh because at a grand jury
um the defendant isn't there
um uh the defense attorney isn't there
it's basically the prosecutor laying out
the facts now they can't lie but they
can lay out the facts um in the light
most favorable to the prosecution and
then the grand jury all they say is yeah
go ahead and file charges so um you know
it's very easy to get an indictment so
um if a prosecutor is motivated and
really wants to my guess is they
probably can get a true bill and get um
uh this individual indicted um it just
depends what the what the mood is
sometimes they kind of just go through
the motions like we're gonna take it to
a grand jury but instead of doing all
the only the facts that are are that are
in the the light most favorable to the
to the to the prosecution they say hey
also this happened this happened and
they put in a lot of mitigating factors
which is actually more honest but
there's less likely of a chance that
there's going to be an indictment okay
uh let's see
um any other questions on that okay so
the next thing I want to talk about this
so there's a January 6th right of all
these January six cases people are being
charged with all all these different
things well there's one January 6th ride
and I think I think it's kind of
interesting
um so he's the guy named Richard Barnett
and he was the one who had his feet up
on Nancy Pelosi's desk um real confident
in that moment I'm not so much when he's
testifying in his own trial but real
confident in that moment with his feet
up on Nancy Pelosi's desk and you know
afterwards after January 6 he did a lot
of interviews and he was pretty public
and he said something to the effect of
um anyone who doesn't believe in the
Constitution or follow the Constitution
is my enemy so he said that in the news
you know he put that on his social media
that if you don't follow the
Constitution uh you're his enemy Well
turns out I know everyone's surprised
turns out he's not exactly a legal
scholar because this week during his
trial he admitted on the stand that he's
that he's familiar with the First
Amendment and the Second Amendment but
he actually couldn't name any of the
other amendments so um yeah he's not as
not as confident when he's on trial
which I think is kind of funny
um now we're going to get to the Derek
Chauvin appeal so um thank you for
bringing that up so the Derek Chauvin
appeals I I just want to say and I've
I've said this before that I don't have
any qualms any I don't lose any sleep
over Derek Chauvin being in prison for
this particular case um I I just I just
don't now Aaron Dean and we covered the
Aaron Dean case you can go back and
listen to that I've done a lot of
content on the Aaron Dean case that
happened in Fort Worth Texas I've got
heartache over Aaron Dean being in
prison
um uh uh Ben Darby Ben Darby out of I
believe Alabama I've got heartache over
him being being in prison um for an
option involved shooting that I think is
reasonable lawful and and uh objectively
reasonable
um but uh Derek Chauvin I don't have any
love lost for Derek Chauvin um for a
couple reasons just to recap real quick
so where I think there were a lot of
things that contributed to George
Floyd's desk I think that George Floyd's
death there were a lot of contributing
factors including covid that he had
heart problems that he had enough
fentanyl in his system to kill a horse
so I think there were a lot of things
there that contributed to his death a
positional uh as asphyxiation which a
lot of people die from even if there
isn't someone who's who's um standing on
the who who is putting pressure on their
on their shoulder back or neck so um
this happens all the time even when
someone isn't doing what Derek Chauvin
did but Derek Chauvin didn't help I
think I think what we can at least
hopefully we can all agree on that
George Floyd was on the ground he was
handcuffed there were three cops there
yes let's make an argument that yes he's
high out of his mind and he's a big guy
and he's out of control let's even make
the argument we have to hold him in
place because if we let him up and he
runs around he hits by a car cops are
going to be blamed for that so let's
agree hey cops have to hold him in place
there there is absolutely no reason that
you should be holding him in place with
your knee on his neck that's absolutely
insane you have the cop Who's down by
his feet that's reasonable you have the
cop that's by his midsection holding him
down again reasonable I got no issue
with those cops but Derek Chauvin you
you kneel behind him you put your hands
on his shoulder your knee should be
nowhere near his neck so it's absolutely
nut so what Derek Chauvin did was so far
beyond what is reasonable
um that most police officers would have
done in that situation that's why I
don't have any real heartache with him
being convicted though I don't think he
was the full reason that that George
Floyd died but he was definitely a part
of it it didn't help so let's go there
so
um he was convicted as everybody knows I
think he's serving 22 and a half years
in prison so he just appealed now
there's a couple and I think his appeal
is really interesting and I think he
actually has a point and here's what I
mean by that and you know it's possible
so two things can be true at one time
it's possible to say hey I so just let
me let me frame this a little bit better
so Derek chauvin's appeal is that he did
didn't get a fair trial that the media
circus that there was just no end and
they didn't change the venue they still
had the trial right there in in
Minneapolis so you know that it was
essentially not possible for him to get
a fair trial some of the evidence that
cited for that is um Obama made I'm
sorry not Obama uh Joe Biden made
statements um about this case um that he
hopes that there's a conviction while
the trial was going on
um also Maxine Waters a crazy
representative from California she said
that if Derek Chauvin isn't convicted or
is only convicted of one of the Lesser
charges that we need to stay in the
streets so so you have to think about
this so we have all of these riots that
are going on and if you're on the jury
just think about this if you're on the
jury whether or not you think Derek
Chauvin is guilty of every charge or
some of the charges you know if we don't
find this guy guilty of everything the
city's gonna burn maybe my house maybe
my business maybe my cousin's Pharmacy
downtown right next to the Cup Foods
maybe that is going to turn to the
ground if we don't if we don't come to
the the uh the if we don't um find him
guilty and do what the mob thinks so
again when we talk about like you know
Justice and just the criminal justice
system and that court has to be fair
whether or not someone did something
that's absolutely despicable your civil
rights don't go away just because you
did something and committed a horrible
crime right the facts of your crime
don't have anything to do with you
keeping your civil rights and I think
that's important to remember right so um
so again so I with that framing in mind
I think it's possible to say two things
at the same time one that yeah Derek
Chauvin did something it's a criminal
act he probably should be in prison but
also yeah this guy didn't get a fair
trial um and that's kind of where I'm at
on there I don't think he got a fair
trial because I literally don't when you
have the president of the United States
and elective Representatives basically
saying that we want him to be found
guilty and if he's not found guilty we
need to stay in the streets so we need
to write we need to fight so um yeah I
agree I don't I don't think that he did
get a fair trial I should also say that
when Maxine Waters and Joe Biden when
they made these statements um uh Derek
chauvin's defense attorney brought this
up to the judge at the time and said hey
if we need a mistrial because look at
what's happening we need to change the
venue the judge almost kind of agreed
the judge said that he was just short of
doing a mistrial or or having a mistrial
in the case because he acknowledged that
what was said by these politicians was
absolutely problematic and he even said
to the defense attorney you know should
Mr Chauvin be found guilty you have a
hell of a you have a hell of an issue
for appeal but right now because we're
so far in I am not going to issue a
mistrial so I I think that's kind of
where we're at is that you know yes he's
guilty of something I don't think he
intended to kill George Floyd I think it
was an accident you know he probably
probably like a manslaughter type thing
you know where it's like obviously what
he was doing was a battery right like he
wasn't supposed to be doing that it was
not necessary for course unnecessary
Force you know can be a battery during
the battery someone died so I think
that's pretty much what happened I don't
think Derek Chauvin after 19 and a half
years as a police officer he's just
about to retire he says you know what
would be good I'm going to kill an
unarmed black person for absolutely no
reason on video and just see what
happens because I'm bored like there's
no way that he said that so he didn't
intend for it to happen but his actions
helped to cause it so um it looks like
he was uh guilty of something uh let's
see
um uh yeah and I had to put in there
like the George Floyd was actually a guy
that he worked with uh secured yet a
couple that doesn't make any sense okay
so that's kind of going over the appeal
there I think it's going to be really
interesting I love all this court stuff
you know so I think it's going to be
really interesting and I'm like I said I
think that Derek Chauvin is guilty of
something but I definitely think he
didn't get a fair trial and I think
people looking at it objectively kind of
are in the same ballpark
um of that and it's really difficult
because you have to think by this way
let's say it's you or your family member
and let's say that if you're if let's
say that politicians including literally
the most powerful politician on the
planet says we hope that you're found
guilty and if you're not found guilty
there's going to be riots and [ __ ] and
destruction and burning all over your
city if you're not found guilty um if
that were you wouldn't you be saying hey
there's something wrong with this this
doesn't seem right so I think most
people in that situation
um would feel that way even if we all
agree that Derek Chauvin did something
criminal that we want him punished for
two things can be true at the same time
and um yeah let's see what people have
to say about that
um
let's see uh Ray Baker he got the trial
everyone else got and it's not fair uh
totally agree right yeah because the
other three police officers um I
actually don't think they should have
been charged at all um and I've gone
through this before that I think there's
different levels of culpability so just
real quick the officer who was on the
end on George Floyd's feet so so you
have an officer on the end an officer in
the middle then you have Derek chovin so
the officer who was on the end who was
like two days on the police department
he had an officer in between he couldn't
even see what Derek shovin was doing I
don't think he's guilty of anything the
officer in the middle who is on the back
yeah he probably could have seen what
Derek Chauvin was doing he probably
should have told him to stop so if there
is any culpability from the other three
officers I would say it's the officer
who was in the middle who did have a
couple years on uh or no I'm sorry he
was also a rookie he was in his rookie
year as well but you know maybe him but
um towel the officer who was doing crowd
control he's trying to hold back an
Angry Crowd of like 15 people
um so yeah no he's not to blame it all
um if you're saying that Tau should have
been concentrating more on what dare
Eric shelvin was doing then you also
have to say hey these 15 people
shouldn't be screaming and yelling
because then Tao could have concentrated
on what Derek shelvin was doing and not
having to deal with a crazy mob um and
you know what because of what Derek
Shawn was doing I get that the mob was
crazy but this was a bad situation Tau
absolutely should not be charged at all
Ray Baker that's what I think about that
uh let's see um any other questions here
uh Cajun Randy uh then where would you
find a jury uh who none of them uh heard
what Biden or water said yeah that's a
that's a really good question um
probably nowhere
um but you have to think about it like
this is that in the city where it
actually happened it's probably going to
be worse so moving to one of the other
counties in the state of Minnesota
um the idea is is that maybe
um you'll be able to find something
that's a little more fair but yeah yeah
I think you may you know what Cajun
Randy made an excellent point almost
anywhere in the country Derek Chauvin is
going to have such a hard time um but
literally the hardest and least fair is
right in the exact City where it
happened so to move it out a little bit
um um helps and I just want to say this
so let's say you're uh let's say you're
a defense attorney and you're asking a
judge you're saying hey I don't think we
can get a fair trial here and the judge
says okay agree let's move it to a
different venue okay now it goes to that
other venue well at that point that
legal argument of unfair trial that
attorney really can't bring that up
anymore or it's not an issue that can be
appealed because the judge agreed the
judge moved the trial to a different uh
jurisdiction in the state to a different
county in the state so um that issue it
just isn't an issue for appeal anymore
and it's one and here's the thing if you
care about Derek Chauvin being convicted
you want everything to be as Fair as
possible because otherwise there could
be issues for appeal work imagine it's
not Derek show but imagine someone who
killed a police officer or imagine it's
someone who killed um four four college
students in Idaho if there's a process
problem at the front end you know you
might say well screw this guy you know
who cares well the legal system is going
to care and you don't want someone
getting out in two or three years
because of a legal a legal appeal or a
legal problem that never should have
happened in the first place but really
really good question uh Mr Cajun Randy
uh let's see
um uh I don't listen to anything Biden
or water says you know I think that's I
think that's a good thing to live by I I
agree uh let's see um Kenneth he did see
uh the knee on the neck once uh yeah I
mean again any pressure to the knee head
shoulder uh and any pressure with the
knee to any part of the body just was
not reasonable that's not how police
officers are trained like I said I get
having to control George Floyd a hundred
percent but the idea that you're going
to use your knee instead anywhere near
the head or neck absolutely makes no
sense
um especially because police officers
have been trained on positional as
asphyxia for at least a decade probably
longer um that police officers have been
trained and then when you have someone
who's having a medical issue and they
did think that George Floyd was having a
medical issue they called the ambulance
for him twice right I mean that's
evidence that they didn't weren't trying
to kill him because they called an
ambulance at one point they even told
the ambulance to step it up to try to
get there quicker so again that's
evidence in the bucket of these police
officers were not trying to kill George
Floyd they called an ambulance for him
but all police officers at least for the
last 10 years have training that if
someone is having a medical issue you do
not keep them on their stomach while
putting pressure on their back because
that is a way that people die from
positional asphyxia again this has been
in law enforcement circles for at least
a decade so the idea that police
officers are still doing that
um back in 2020 when this happened is
absolutely crazy and that's negligent
and Reckless on their part just because
of the position that he was in not even
the fact that there was pressure on his
back from uh Derek Chauvin so I didn't
care if the pressure's on the neck
pressure on the back when you're face
down is absolutely crazy to do we all
know not to do that uh let's see uh
Cajun Randy all of the other three were
uh convicted in federal court uh two of
the three guilty and say yeah they did
yeah I think they're all due in between
two to three years occasion Randy
they're all doing between two to three
years and um I don't I don't agree um
now my guess is that given the facts on
the ground that their attorney said hey
like this is the best we're going to do
there's a high chance that you could be
convicted in your face in 12 to 15 years
so yeah all three of them um I think one
of them is challenging it uh found
guilty but two of the three uh took plea
deals uh let's see uh Kenneth so you
think all the people involved in the
Baldwin is guilty but not Floyd wow no
no I didn't oh Kenneth that's like
pretty much the opposite of what I said
so let me just go back uh let me go back
a little bit so the people in the
Baldwin case as I said I think that Alec
Baldwin I think that I said I understand
why he so let me start from the not from
the beginning that'd be silly but when
the Alec Baldwin case if this was just a
civil case and no charges were filed I
would have said yeah okay I could see
that I get that the reason why is I
think Alec Baldwin has a plausible
defense I'm not saying he should be
found not guilty but I think Alec
Baldwin has a reasonable defense saying
I hired someone else to be in charge of
the safety so I I took the steps I
should be able to trust the people I
hired so I think Baldwin has a defense
Hannah Gutierrez I think she has the
defense by saying you know what I wasn't
just in charge of safety I was actually
in charge of these five other things and
it's common practice that everyone along
the line who touches the gun checks it
so I have a plausible defense too so
um uh so Kenneth just putting it out
there that no I I'm not saying that
everyone involved in the Alec Baldwin
case is guilty um I said literally the
exact opposite that I think there is a
reasonable defense for both and I'll be
honest I will be very surprised if there
is a conviction on Alec Baldwin um
Hannah Gutierrez I think there's more of
a chance though her attorney's excellent
I I think there's more of a chance that
she might be
um convicted but I think both have a
plausible reasonable defense and then
when it comes to um uh then when it
comes to the George Floyd case yeah I
think Derek Chauvin is guilty um I think
the officer who was in the middle
um under on George Floyd's back I think
I could see criminal charges being filed
against him but the cop who was holding
George Floyd's feet who literally
couldn't see what Derek Chauvin was
doing don't think he could be charged
because he legitimately couldn't see
what was happening and then Tao um was
the officer who never touched George
Floyd and he was trying to control a
rowdy crowd of 15 people I don't think
he should be charged either those are
just my opinions on it and it's okay to
disagree um let's see uh let's see uh
James Echo pretty sure those are two
different cases nothing to do with each
other good points uh let's see uh let's
see uh Ray Baker Illinois EMS transport
of a patient face down that's and saying
yeah so Ray Baker so last week I
actually covered a case where two
paramedics in Illinois in Springfield
Illinois which is the capital of
Illinois that they um transported a
patient who was having hallucinations on
the gurney so they put him on the gurney
face down
um that's how they transported him and
then the straps that are supposed to go
around your chest they put those on his
back and the individual died both of
those paramedics again we covered this
last week both those paramedics are
charged with uh first degree homicide
which um I think they probably should be
because again we all know First
Responders cops firefights paramedics
everyone knows it is absolutely insane
to transport someone like that Kenneth
my apologies you don't have to apologize
um let's see um let's see uh let's see
Alec will be on SNL before the end of
the year I think that's probably
probably correct uh Cajun Randy Lane was
on Floyd's feet and he knew uh what was
going on because he asked Chauvin to
stop well so I I Cajun Randy um what I
think is that he asked if
if should turn him over so I think so so
Lane knew my understanding is that lane
knew that George Floyd was on his
stomach which again is positional
asphyxia which you're not supposed to do
but because of where he was positioned I
don't think he could see that George
Floyd that Derek chauvin's knee was on
the neck but I so I think he asked a
couple times should we turn him over
should we turn him on his side so in
that respect yes he knew that but I
don't think he could see what was
happening with the knee
um again but yeah he could definitely he
he was on his feet he definitely knew
that Mr Floyd was on his on his uh on
his bottom on his um uh on his uh uh
stomach okay last case that I I'm Gonna
Last guess I'm gonna talk about here and
uh you know it just wouldn't be a show
about um police or anything when it
comes to law enforcement news without
talking about Laverne PD again because
um it's absolute craziest story this is
the Tennessee the Tennessee female
police officer who was fired with five
of her male co-workers is for basically
having sexual in it interactions with
all of them a lot of it was on duty and
a lot of it was on a duty and um uh uh
you know at city property which is on
city property which is why they got in
trouble and they got fired again the
memes on this on this case are
absolutely crazy it is it is so much fun
but um so but the the girl the the
female police officer
um you know she's actually married and
um she's actually married and um uh her
husband you know the media's been trying
to track him down so um uh yeah and I
just want to say on this uh the
taxpayers don't get screwed on this um
it was the cops who did uh so the uh her
husband the media has been trying to
talk to her husband because she's
married um and you know um he doesn't
want to talk to the media I wouldn't
either right like that's that's not a a
thing you wanna you want to talk about
but one of the things he did say is that
you know he's just asking for some quiet
for some peace and he said he's trying
to salvage his marriage now this is my
marriage and device Laverne PD style is
that listen bro you do not Salvage this
you Salvage the last handful of potato
chips not a marriage move on uh so
that's my that's my uh that's my um
advice marriage advice for for her
husband that he should absolutely move
on um do not try to salvage this
marriage so that's going to be the end
of the show those were the last those
were the cases that I wanted to talk
about if think that we missed anything
or there's any cases that you think were
big this week that we didn't get to put
it in the chat um you know even if it's
later on throughout the week I do go
through the chat and if there is
something that we miss I definitely want
to go ahead and um I definitely want to
go ahead and talk about it the only
other thing I'm going to say is
um uh I'll be on a radio show this week
um it's called the law enforcement today
radio show um I believe it's a
syndicated radio show on about 90
channels across the country uh law
enforcement today radio show
um Tuesday this coming Tuesday at 12
o'clock Eastern um I'll be on there for
about an hour so if you want to go ahead
and listen to that I would appreciate it
and if you haven't please go ahead and
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watch our other videos especially some
of the Alec Baldwin stuff that we talked
about because these interviews with the
people who are involved afterwards are
pretty wild
um other than that again my name is
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thanks