good afternoon this is Daniel with cops
and cons TV just want to welcome
everyone into our live show we're going
to go over some of the most interesting
and important cases in policing that
happened within the last week so as I'm
going through these stories definitely
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want to say right off the bat
um there's been someone who's been
asking us to uh talk about a case or
look into a case that really hasn't
gotten any national attention you know
being where where we're at um is I've
said this before that some stories are
National stories and some stories are
local stories and this just happened to
be a local story out of Cherokee County
in North Carolina that it was must have
been a local story because at least I
followed these issues pretty closely and
just haven't seen this on the national
level so someone has asked us the last
couple weeks to to talk about it and we
are absolutely going to uh we are
absolutely going to get into that later
on here in the story officer blue gone
good afternoon I know we were going to
talk about this this one yes absolutely
because you remember last week where
someone was getting irritated with me
that we I haven't gone through it yet
but I promise we're going to get to it
today I absolutely looked into that case
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right so the first case that we're going
to talk about today and really this is
this is a tragic case but the first case
we're going to talk about is the mass
shooting that happened at Michigan State
University so earlier this week at
Michigan State University there was a
mass shooting essentially an individual
he's a 43 year old with no real ties to
the university a name Dwayne McRae uh he
was 43 years old he walked he has a he
did have a history of mental illness and
he did go into the he did go into the
into the school and he shot eight
different people he killed three
students and he wounded five more uh
after that he left the scene and he left
the scene and police officers were able
to hunt him down pretty quickly now
we've talked a lot about we probably in
the last year we've probably talked
about uvalding literally more than any
other police case out there which is
probably the right thing to do and the
main reason is because obviously that
was such a poor response from police
this was a good response from police So
within minutes of 9-1-1 calls starting
to pin reference an active shooter
hundreds of police officers from many
different police agencies local County
state federal all descended on the scene
in order to try to make this scene safe
they ended up finding uh this this the
the offender they ended up they ended up
finding him uh holed up in a house
um it kind of like a coward he was
cornered like a rat and as the police
officers were closing in he did the
Cowardly thing into the Cowardly thing
and he killed himself
um but that was uh that was a a tragic
case that happened um looking at this
guy's history because that's only always
one of the things that we look at and I
should just say that you know when this
mass shooting was going on it was an
active shooter situation that social
media was filled with students sharing
videos
um of being locked down and you know
essentially the idea of hide run fight
uh that was uh reiterated by by the
school and by law enforcement experts
everywhere that that's what you should
do in a situation like this and whenever
something like this happens it's
reasonable to look at the person's
history just to kind of see as a as as
law enforcement as as family members as
friends as acquaintances or neighbors
was there anything that was missed how
is there anything is there any process
is there anything in this system that's
already built in where something like
this could have been prevented so when
it comes to this case uh Mr McRae in
2019 he was charged with a felony when
it comes to a gun and essentially what
that charge was is uh in 2019 he was
stopped by police officers they searched
him and they found a concealed weapon
now in Michigan carrying a concealed
weapon without a concealed carry permit
is a felony so he was charged and he was
arrested for that felony the maximum
penalty was five years in prison now
because he didn't have a big criminal
history just to be as transparent as I
could be it's unlikely that had this
case gone to trial he probably wouldn't
have gotten five years but that is the
legal potential of what he was facing
was five years in prison however instead
of it going to trial or being stuck with
the felony charged the D.A played it
down to some misdemeanor negligent use
charge he actually didn't serve any jail
time and he had 18 months of Probation
and he was let out now have he been
convicted of the felony even if he
didn't do any jail time had he been
convicted of the felony at least well at
least on paper he would have been barred
from possessing you're owning any
Firearms now we say that you know I say
on paper because well I mean you know
legally he's actually it's against the
law and he's barred from killing people
and you know that law didn't seem to
bother him uh didn't seem to bother him
um anyway so uh you know it just seems
like those who violate our murder laws
you know really probably aren't going to
follow our gun control laws but he did
have a gun charge from 2019
um it really wasn't taking all that
serious and you know we can talk about
gun crimes and these gun charges and
these concealed wet carry weapon charges
you know maybe they might seem silly but
if the laws are in place they should be
enforced if the the state or the county
um or or the federal government if
everyone votes for politicians and
decides we don't want these laws great
but if they're on the books they should
absolutely be enforced that's my opinion
on that let's see if we have any let's
see if we have any comments here on this
uh let's see rotten apple news good
afternoon I'm not far from MSU and a
train derailment and the Palestine train
Ground Zero I could do a correspondent
report for you yeah that would be that
would be nice there is a whole lot going
on there of that part of the country I
absolutely agree collection of cells
hello how is it going
um let's see uh rotten apple news it
would have been a drop to felony firearm
that was mandatory two years um and here
we're gonna we have the the law um on
that uh when it comes to the Michigan
law for concealed carry it's under a
state code um 18 uh for firearms and
weapons
um it it basically says that individuals
who don't have Concealed Carry Permits
who are concealing firearms you know
that is a that is a felony charge
um all right let's see if any comments
uh Steve Ladner do you consider the
Constitution to breed the to be the
supreme law of land first of all Steve
me and Steve go back and forth all the
time on comments and um uh so I want to
say good afternoon Steve uh yes I
absolutely do consider the Constitution
to be the supreme law of the land and
the the court system are the ones who
are who are supposed to
um and those are the the courts are the
ones who are supposed to interpret
whether or not it's within the
Constitution or not um let's see Fred
says if a crazy person wants to get a
gun he will same as criminals the laws
will not stop this I agree with you a
hundred percent Fred that's kind of why
I said that you know if he had been
convicted of a felony that you know
technically on paper he would have been
prevented from getting a gun but again
that what what would that actually do we
have laws we have things on the books
that you're not supposed to kill people
or should people and that didn't didn't
prevent him from doing that so the idea
that this person who went in who had a
history of mental health problems who
went in and shot eight people at MSU was
gonna say oh well I'm technically not
supposed to own a firearm so I guess I'm
not going to be able to do it this way
like that's not reasonable so Fred I
think you are a hundred percent uh
correct there uh let's see
um
okay uh let's see the Constitution
affirms our god-given rights absolutely
okay
um
Johnson William uh god-given rights all
right okay so the next case that we're
going to talk about and this one is this
one is really strange I haven't seen the
case like this I don't know ever so I
think we know a lot of strange things
happen in jails and there's a lot of
reason because of that so you have
people in jail who are who are mentally
ill the a lot of times they're in there
for long sentences or even for life and
they just don't have anything to lose
you know you put that in with
Corrections Officers where I honestly I
I couldn't imagine being a correction
officer and if we have any correction
officers in here I'd be really curious
um if you agree with me if you could um
if you could put in the comments some of
your thoughts on this so when I was in
college doing my undergrad I did
something called the corrections Club
but it sounds like a lot of fun right
essentially what it was is once a month
we took a a crazy bus and we toured
prisons all around the Midwest which I
thought was kind of cool um but that
made me realize something that I had
already known I would not want to be a
corrections officer because the the 40
hours or 60 hours a week because they're
so short-handed that you're there you're
in prison too that seems absolutely
miserable so I know it's a miserable
place to work and there's absolutely no
excuse for this but this happened in a
County Jail in Alabama it was a 33 year
old Alabama man who was in the county
jail um he had been there since the
middle of January and he froze to death
he froze to death in the jail I mean and
again this is something that typically
doesn't happen there's been a lawsuit
that was filed on behalf of his family
um and essentially what the lawsuit
alleges is that this 33 year old man was
placed inside of a walk-in freezer naked
or some other really cold area in the
jail as some type of a strange
punishment for bad behavior in jail
um so again the the lawsuit for the man
and his name was Anthony Mitchell
alleges that more than a dozen officials
at the jail
um this is Walker County Alabama
um abused him and then essentially
covered up the mystery treatment that
caused his death so he was arrested on
January 12th and I mean the the facts
around his arrest aren't great I mean he
deserved to be arrested from everything
we know um essentially his family
members called for police officers
assistance because he was threatening
some of the members of his family
um deputies from Alabama arrived once
they got there he allegedly fired shots
at them eventually they were able to get
him into custody without shooting back
without injuring him or any use of force
they were able to get him safely and
reasonably into custody which is always
the goal even if someone shoots at
police officers this is the goal no
matter what and police officers at least
the deputies who went to his house that
day were able to do that they got him
into custody and then he went to the
jail
um during a subsequent search of the
house kind of you know during the arrest
deputies um found meth heroin and also a
handgun from the from from the location
kind of confirming that you know just
one piece of evidence that he had he had
fire shots uh he had fired shots at
police officers
um eventually so he was there on January
12th and he died on January 26th after
he died on January 26th on the
allegation because all of this is on
video and the attorney for the family
has seen a lot of the surveillance video
is that it what they are alleging is
that after he died or looked like he was
in like really bad shape again being
naked in a really cold area some type of
a strange punishment that he was
actually multiple different officials
from the jail would like walk in check
on him and then leave
um and it actually took five hours from
the time that he looked like he was in
really bad shape five hours to get
medical personnel there um he ended up
dying when he got to the hospital
finally when he was the rescue was
called and he was transported to the
hospital he had a body temperature of 72
degrees
um and again that's absolutely crazy no
matter what someone does no matter what
type of bad behavior they have this is
obviously unacceptable so you have to
think about well is this just you know
one person at the jail well no because
there's not just one bad strange person
who works at the jail I mean people who
work at the jail would be multiple
different people who are Corrections
Officers supervisors people who watch
the cameras so I mean there had to be
all kinds of different people who had
their hand in this who you know maybe
didn't have it in the intent to kill him
obviously but knew that this poor
treatment was going on in to think that
Mr Mitchell is the only person that this
happened to that's going to be real hard
for me to believe this seems like it is
a systematic problem and my guess is
that we're going to get a Memphis style
parade of victims who luckily didn't die
but had similar treatment and this
County Jail is going to go through some
pretty some pretty rough times there's
gonna there should be some pretty uh
severe reform there
um just curious if we have any
Corrections Officers or anybody with
correction experience who has any has
any comments on this uh let's see uh the
maxo correctional is one of the
undervalued jobs so it's that since it's
difficult and harsh anywhere oh that
that is such a great point because it so
correctional officers you know typically
I guess it could change different places
but typically Corrections Officers
aren't paid as much as police officers
um typically the requirements to get
hired aren't as high so the pay isn't as
high and again you're in jail too and at
least if you're a police officer you
know maybe in your 10 hour shift you
know nine and a half hours you're not
doing much or you're dealing with either
nice people reasonable people people who
are victims of crime you know and really
it's just a small amount of time that
you're actually dealing with like really
bad people but when you have people in
prison uh and these there are innocent
people who are in jail but when you're
working in a prison like that really
doesn't exist like you're in there with
people who have been convicted of crimes
or are awaiting trial on serious crimes
and um yeah you're in jail too you are
in jail yourself that seems miserable so
it's a miserable job it doesn't get paid
well but it's important we absolutely
need it you know so
um yeah I mean obviously there could be
people in there who are framed uh framed
for their crimes like Andy Dufresne in
the Shawshank Redemption which is one of
the absolute greatest movies if everyone
in the prison was like a Brooks uh red
and Andy Dufresne Corrections Officers
would be okay and fortunately that isn't
the case uh all right let's see uh Mark
Shire says he was murdered happens all
the time yeah it seems like there should
be some criminal charges against people
for this case I absolutely believe that
100 uh goofy says uh they're supposed to
steal your money uh in time for
punishment not your life 100 no this it
seems like that just seems like I mean
it it it well I don't know if there's
another word for seems it appears like
this was criminal in nature so not only
is there an administrative investigation
there's absolute criminal investigation
this seems like the kind of thing that
the federal government is probably going
to get involved in for some type of
consent decree um because again my guess
is that because so many people kind of
like The Tyree Nichols case in Memphis
so many people were involved that the
idea that this was just a one-off one
time thing that's not a reasonable way
to think about a lot of these things um
rotten apple says happens all the time I
know some pretty heinous actions to
expose uh from Oakland County Jail
deputies yeah again I I can't say enough
I think there's a lot of problems in
jails um it's a bad place to work and um
uh it's a bad place to work you're full
of uh full of there with criminals and
um it doesn't pay very well so yeah that
is a recipe for disaster Mark Shire
wasn't Shawshank fantastic all right um
okay so that was that case and again
that's just that's just a tragic case no
matter what someone does or how much of
an [ __ ] someone is being in jail
um there's absolutely no excuse for this
this is this is a p appears to be 100
criminal nature there should be an
exhaustive and an extensive
investigation anyone who's a part of
this should be terminated lose their job
and or be charged with uh state and
federal crimes okay so the next case
that I'm going to talk about and I I
always say this that you know a lot of
these cases they're not one-off cases
that you know a lot of times there's a
case that happens in Michigan and it's
it's a similar case that happens in
Texas and you know these cases kind of
thread together because if you can
imagine that you know if something if a
police officer is in a situation in one
city the chances that you know the plea
a police officer in a different city is
also going to have a similar experience
uh I mean that's a reasonable thing to
think and this is the case that yeah the
facts are going to be a little bit
different but the reason for the use of
force is essentially the same something
that I've been arguing for a very long
time and essentially this has to do with
someone taking the taser of a police
officer and a police officer utilizing
deadly force now before I get into the
facts of this my stance and my opinion
on this and definitely put it in there
if you think that I'm Incorrect and more
importantly put in why so I think that
if you take a taser from a police
officer and then if there's any threat
that you use are going to use that taser
against the police officer that's a
deadly force situation and it's
reasonable and objectively reasonable
people for police officers to use deadly
force in a situation like that so here
we go this happened in Somerset Texas
um uh so the officer is a Somerset Texas
police officer which apparently is a
little town or suburb not far from San
Antonio so this police officer was
working an off-duty security job over at
the Twin Peaks restaurant in San Antonio
which isn't an uncommon thing to do so a
lot of people let me just explain how
this works a lot of the time so a lot of
police officers a lot a lot of a lot of
a lot of police officers what they do in
these side jobs is a lot of times that
um
the the
private businesses contract with the
city and let's say the the charge is 75
an hour so this the city takes a cut of
that um and then the uh officer takes
the the rest of it usually it's at
whatever their whatever their typical
overtime rate is a lot of times these
programs are called like Chiefs overtime
programs but usually they are designated
by the city um not all the time but
usually so because it's designated by
the city the city is getting some
financial compensation business are
getting an actual police officer so even
though they're not technically on duty
they are on duty in the sense that they
are in uniform they have a badge of
office they're working in the same
jurisdiction that they otherwise have a
police officer license in um so you know
the business is essentially getting
being able to pay for in such a private
security officer who you know and
depending on the state doesn't have a
whole lot of power
um they are paying for an actual police
officer there are other states where
these off-duty jobs have nothing to do
with with the police department and
actual police officers aren't able to
wear their Police Department uniform
that can't take a police car um there
they are essentially serving as private
security so this goes a couple different
ways so this was an off-duty security
job again a Somerset Texas police
officer um he was doing an off-duty
security job over at the at the Twin
Peaks restaurant I'm in San Antonio and
you know these are actually the only the
only mountains that you're going to see
in San Antonio are right here at this
restaurant
um and you know when officers work these
off-duty jobs you know uh the best way
that I can explain it is they typically
want less action for these off-duty jobs
most police officers have a stressful
job and they're not looking on their day
off to work a really difficult or or a
strenuous or if there's going to be a
lot of paperwork or if something's a
pain in the ass they're not going to do
these jobs a lot of the time because you
know overtime is typically something
that's easier that's how police officers
mostly see it so you know the idea that
the officer is looking for a fight or
something off duty is absolutely not the
case not what police officers are
looking to do so in the Twin Peaks
restaurant there was a couple
individuals who were causing problems
and staff wanted them to leave well they
have their hired armed police officer
security working there so the the police
officer did make contact with this uh 34
year old individual this male who was
intoxicated he was belligerent who was
causing a problem he had been asked to
leave and he refused so what happened
then is the the the the the police
officer um you know started to escort
him out he resisted during this
resisting and during this struggle he
actually grabbed the taser from the
police officer he grabbed the taser from
the police officer and he actually fired
the taser at the police officer in
response the police officer pulled out
his firearm and he shot the man one time
in the chest um the man didn't die in
critical condition
um however
um that's what happened uh so the police
officers on typical normal
administrative leave while this is being
investigated and um it's being being
investigated and uh yeah so it's a
little bit controversial but not as
controversial as other cases where
police officers have have shot someone
after they had taken a taser I'll get
into that in a second I'm really really
curious to see to see what uh comments
people have about this let's see Fred
says uh that's true a taser is
considered a weapon so the police
officer at his or her discretion can use
deadly force absolutely 100 percent uh
Mark says police need retraining they do
not know the First Amendment nor it's
five elements uh sure I'm always good
with always good with police training
um yeah so the reason I think that it's
a deadly force situation that kind of
talked about it earlier so the cases
that I always point to are the Garrett
Rolfe case in Atlanta
um charges were filed against that
police officer and then for killing
rayshard Brooks in the Wendy's parking
lot that Wendy's was later torched
because for some reason anti-police
Maniacs were mad at the Wendy's store
um so but those charges were dropped in
the one case that's still pending that I
talk about is the Christopher sure case
the officer involved shooting with the
the the criminal Patrick Loyola in Grand
Rapids Michigan officer sure is facing
second-degree murder charges that case
as I said last week has been extended
and will go to trial um supposedly in
October but you know just like with that
case so if someone takes the taser from
a from a police officer and if they take
the taser and they throw it well that
taser wouldn't be a threat anymore right
so a police officer shouldn't be
shooting people who are throwing a taser
away however if someone takes a taser
from a police officer and looks like or
seems like or tries to fire the taser at
the police officer that's a completely
different story and the reason is it's
not because of the shock it's not
because of the five seconds of or so of
pain that the taser causes because think
about it most police officers before
they're able to carry a taser in order
to get certified they have to be tased
themselves
um not all the time but that's what
happens most of the time so if it's
something that's going to kill you well
then obviously you're not going to do it
to police recruits in the police academy
to get trained that wouldn't make sense
so you know okay we're gonna tase 30
police recruits and recruits in a 15 die
oh well no I mean tasers do not kill the
vast majority of people otherwise they
wouldn't do it to police officers in the
training process so it's not this actual
shock of the taser the 50 000 volts
that's not the danger the danger is is
if you shoot a taser at a police officer
they are incapacitated for five seconds
every time you pull the trigger you can
add five more seconds onto that so a
police officer is incapacitated while
incapacitated the individual who just
tased them could take their gun and
shoot them they could take a rock and
smash them in the face or they could
just Stomp the officers head in with
their boots so it's reasonable a police
officer would want to avoid a situation
like that and since the likely outcome
is death it's reasonable police officer
would utilize deadly force in order to
avoid that otherwise what you're asking
a police officer to do here's the what
you're asking a police officer to do you
tell me if this is reasonable so hey
police officer you have a person who
they just committed a crime they fought
with you then they took one of your
weapons then they used the weapon on you
and now you have to trust that that
person isn't going to kill you once
you're incapacitated uh that isn't a
chance I would take with my life most
reasonable people wouldn't take that
chance with their life so um but the
good thing is a situation like this is
just really easy to avoid all you have
to do is not steal a weapon from a
police officer so most people are able
to be decent humans and comply with that
all right so let's see if we have any
comments or questions on this uh Mark
Shire know a de-escalation is is
practice not deadly force
um yeah a police officer should
de-escalate until there's a deadly force
and then they have to respond with
deadly force that's completely
reasonable uh officer blue gone they've
got a good question for Mark what's your
definition of non-lethal Mark uh let's
see the maxo in my opinion de-escalating
is the real Jew uh real dual duty of
policing I agree it's engaging and has
great effects on people to be
professional and humble it is difficult
but definitely possible I agree with you
100 of the max of police officers should
de-escalate they should de-escalate as
much as they possibly can until they are
posed with a deadly threat and then they
should protect their own lives and the
lives of other people that is a
reasonable thing to do so that's that's
that question there um that's that case
there like I said it kind of I say a lot
of these cases are related because we
had the Garrett Wolfe case and then the
Patrick Loyola case which is actually
still going on with officer Christopher
shirk
um Dad definitely go ahead and follow
that hashtag stand with sure over on
Facebook I'm pretty active over there
talking about that case because um it is
the number one uh case that's going on
right now where a police officer is
being maliciously prosecuted and they
absolutely should not be so um stand
with sure hashtag on Facebook find that
group it's real real important the next
couple cases I'm going to go through are
not only are they examples of
self-defense I'm gonna talk about
self-defense here in a second but not
only are they examples of self-defense
but there are examples of just badass
women so here we go the first one and
let me do a little thing on self-defense
here real quick so we're going to talk
about just regular citizens aside from
being a police officer let's talk about
regular citizens so regular citizen can
use self-defense you are able to defend
yourself against a threat so a person in
general can use reasonable force in
order to protect your life or to protect
the life of someone else now once that
threat ends and your life is no longer
in danger then your ability and your
privilege to use that Force well that
ends too so first case that we have
about self-defense and about a badass
female so this happened on January 17th
of this year and this happened in
Chicago so there's an off-duty Chicago
female police officer and she breaks up
a fight between four individuals here
we're gonna have a we're gonna we're
gonna put a picture of her on the screen
now let me just say this way so if
you're a police officer and you're on
duty you're in uniform you have your
badge you have your your gun your taser
your shotgun your your AR are whatever
you have all of your tools you have a
radio to call for help even in a
situation like that it is almost never
advisable for a single police officer to
try to break up a fight by themselves of
four individuals that's why police
officers typically travel in pair so
again one person trying to do this is
extremely dangerous so here we have an
off-duty police officer she doesn't have
all all of her weapon systems on her
she's not in uniform she doesn't have a
radio to call for help but she sees four
males engaged in in a fight outside of a
residential area and she decides that
she's going to break it up she's going
to do the right thing and she's gonna
she's gonna be a badass and she's gonna
break it up and great so she does she
breaks up the fight and she's successful
meaning that three of the four people
leave they they leave and they walk away
and they go in different directions
which is the objective that's what she
wanted to happen that's great maybe she
prevented a shooting maybe she prevented
a stabbing maybe she prevented someone
from just getting their ass kicked by
three other people who knows but good
for her right so she breaks this Up 3
three people leave they comply and they
just they leave she's not trying to
arrest anybody or hold anybody against
their will she basically tells them get
the [ __ ] out of here you need to leave
and stop fighting again three of them do
one dozen one guy doesn't Levon Smith he
decides I'm not going to be a decent
human I'm not gonna just leave so as the
police officer um starts to walk away
um he basically [ __ ] around and he
[ __ ] finds out so as the female
police officer is walking away he
attacks her from behind he attacks her
from behind and he starts to grab her
gun and she tells him and this is on
surveillance video she tells him that
she's going to use deadly force she says
I'm gonna shoot you I'm gonna shoot you
stop attacking me he doesn't listen he
keeps trying to grab for her gun while
he's grabbing for her gun they start to
wrestle and they actually end up on the
ground while they're on the ground and
he's wrestling trying to get the gun she
shoots him three different times after
she shoots him three different times he
says damn baby I'm sorry I didn't want
to die and then she has and then then
after that she she responds you thought
I was playing I told you I'd shoot you
and um yeah he ends up he ends up dying
not that I don't want anyone to die but
the idea that you are going to not only
get a man not only are you going to
attack a female but you're gonna try to
disarm her and take her gun this is the
exact kind of thing that is gonna happen
and that that dialogue that they had
between themselves so I'm originally
from the south side of Chicago I lived
there for 22 years that that uh that
Chicago Trash Talk of damn baby I'm
sorry I didn't want to die and she says
you thought I was playing I told you I'd
shoot you you don't [ __ ] around with
Chicago women and um yeah so he he ended
up dying but it's one of those things
he's not going to commit any more crimes
um the type of person who is going to
attack a female and try to take a
firearm from her even after they know
that that she is a police officer um 100
appropriate thing and I'm glad that she
ended up on top uh let's see uh let's
see the maxos says you want to fight
you're going to get one yeah absolutely
uh let's see um she sounded like a
gangster and she and [ __ ] around as
though the encounter officer blue gun
absolutely
um yeah so uh let's see and uh yeah
there's a couple things about um
percentages in in Chicago so Michael
Jordan had a great shooting percentage
in this female police officer did too so
um kudos to her that was an absolutely
um a good way for this for this case to
end though again no police officer wants
to be involved in a shooting especially
a shooting off duty just like the last
case but um but uh yeah this is this is
one of the one of the situations that
you absolutely can't avoid
um the next case that that we're going
to talk about that also has to do with a
badass female this isn't a police
officer but you know what it doesn't
[ __ ] matter this lady is is so
unbelievable so this happened in Florida
so she she is a 24 year old and she was
um working out in the the gym in her
apartment complex while she's working
out a man who she doesn't recognize but
a man and knocks on the door um he's
banging on the door and and she lets him
in she lets him in and she walks back to
the weights that she was lifting we have
the video up here um as she walks away
um then he approaches her and he you can
see what he's doing so he he approaches
her he attacks her I'm at one point they
kind of run around of where they kind of
run around uh he's chasing her around a
bench um eventually
um you know she is able to escape and
she runs into a different room in the
gym he chases her he follows her they
end up wrestling on the ground and she
fights for her life just like she
absolutely should this is this is
absolutely horrifying this is everyone
not just females this is everyone's
worst nightmare that you are doing your
own thing just being a reasonable person
existing in society and the scum of the
earth comes and tries to hurt you and
sexually assaults you and that's exactly
what this guy did what he didn't know is
that the woman that he attacked was a 24
year old professional bodybuilder um her
name is uh uh nationally Alma and um it
turns out that that the offender
actually lives in the apartment complex
as well his name is Xavier Xavier Thomas
Jones after he did this she was able to
to escape because she fought I mean what
I want to say is if you watch the whole
video after the fight and she runs away
he is he is breathing heavy he is
breathing hard he is so much bigger than
her but she fights for her life and she
kicks his ass which is absolutely a
great thing to do um she's able to get
away he ends up going causing a
disturbance at a different apartment
apartment a different unit in the area
and then after that he actually is
arrested the next day by police officers
which is good you don't ever want
someone like this like this to get away
so the next day he was charged with a
bunch of felonies some kidnapping false
imprisonment burglary and sexual battery
and that is that is absolutely um the
appropriate thing hopefully he'll be
going away for decades because a person
like this does not need to be with the
rest of us in society who are just
trying to live our lives doing the right
thing working out trying to stay healthy
and this is an absolute um uh crazy
thing
um
uh let's let's see we have do have a
statement from the from the sheriff who
says uh Sheriff uh Chad chronister in
the area said I was disgusted by the
suspect's actions how he prayed on this
young woman This Woman's strength
courage and determination are inspiring
and they absolutely are which is why I
wanted to highlight this story because
it's unbelievably important now now uh
Miss Miss Alma she was able to fight off
this attacker but whether you're male or
female that might not be the case so um
I always talk about you know having a
Concealed Carry um being trained and
knowing how to use different things she
was unbelievably smart and she was
unbelievably aware of of what what was
going on and um uh unbelievably smart
unbelievably uh uh uh in this situation
the reason she came out on top is
because of her level of awareness her
level of fitness and her just
willingness to fight and to not lay down
and that was absolutely great um you
know I just I should point out that in
Albuquerque New Mexico there's actually
just a case of a guy trying to defend a
lady who got killed at a gas station um
yeah this happened in Albuquerque maybe
we could cover a little more detail next
week but yeah um a crazy individual
um was in Albuquerque New Mexico I say
crazy because he's literally been the
the reports are he's literally been a a
mentally ill homeless person causing
disturbances and crimes for the last 20
years in in the Albuquerque area
um and he started to attack a woman at a
gas station one of the gas station
employees I'm a 24 year old man a
younger guy tried to step in and do the
right thing and try to protect this
woman who is being you know
um assaulted um in this horrible crazy
person um he actually had did have a
concealed gun and he shot the 24 year
old and um he killed him shot him in the
stomach he died just absolutely horrible
and and tragic thing but this kind of
thing does happen with mentally ill
people just attacking people for no for
no real reason so um I know I always
talk about concealed carry and and being
armed um it just I think it's something
that is so important so definitely look
into courses in your area let's see if
you have any comments on this uh Fred
Cavallari uh cavallario if she
identified herself as a police officer
someone attacks her from behind she's
just fighting shooting him we are
talking about the last case a hundred
percent uh she might get investigated
but she'll come through Fred yeah and uh
Fred just like with every case the case
absolutely 100 should be investigated um
she shouldn't get any special treatment
um but the evidence that we have and we
have a video which is not perfect but
it's pretty good um it's a decent amount
of evidence you know um the video so
yeah I don't think she's going to be in
any trouble because there was obviously
a deadly threat that she uh responded to
um let's see uh goofy says I was raised
to never hit a woman no matter what uh
they are always options like running
away yeah yeah 100
um and and again this wasn't like a this
wasn't like either of these women went
and picked these fights these are um
horrible violent and disgusting men who
are trying to victimize women for
absolutely no reason and they both
[ __ ] got exactly what was what was
coming to them all right now is the case
that everyone wants to hear about I'm
not sure if the individual who keeps
asking us about this case
um is on today that they can watch this
over on replay over on our Channel cops
and cons if they want but this when I
started to look into this case okay like
listen I get it I get why someone has
messaged us like the last three weeks or
so asking us to talk about this case
because it is a really interesting case
and like I said at the beginning this
isn't hasn't been a national story like
I follow these you know I I do a lot of
social media content on on police
related news you know I'm here at cops
and cons TV where you know we really
always look for the most interesting you
know body cameras and surveillance
surveillance camera footage to put out
for our viewers and we didn't know about
this case I didn't know about this case
but here it is so this happened on
December 22nd of this past year in
Cherokee County North Carolina so here's
how police officers got involved in this
case in the first place so this happened
at a trailer in in the pictures looks
like kind of a remote area it's
definitely not in like the middle of a
big city kind of like a remote area
where there aren't a whole lot of houses
around but this happened inside of a
mobile home so um a neighbor called a
neighbor called and said that the
individual who was shot by police
officers his name is Jason culpfer
individual a neighbor called and said
that there was a disturbance going on at
Jason's house here's what the neighbor
reported to
91122 police officers and I listened to
to the 911 call so I know what this guy
said he said that over at the trailer uh
the mobile home that Jason owns or lives
in with his wife that they were arguing
Jason and his wife were arguing for
about 45 minutes and there was like loud
arguments going on then he said he heard
10 shots being fired he said he heard 10
shots being fired and after that nothing
radio silence he no longer heard the
wife screaming and yelling like she had
been for the 45 minutes prior also the
neighbor says so the neighbor says hey I
actually have most of this on cell phone
video so I have the evidence of this
like you know I'm not just a crazy
person trying to call in something that
didn't happen like hey I've got evidence
of this so um you know there's there's
some credibility to what the individual
is saying so obviously police officers
go out there like they have to do it
would be weird if they didn't right so
police officers went out there they
tried to make contact at the door
um no one answers so essentially they're
not able to make any contact with um
Jason or his wife they're not answering
the door okay fine they're not answering
the door um so police officers as
they're kind of looking around they're
getting ready to leave they see evidence
that a gun has been fired so they they
see some they see some casings on the
ground so now we not only have what the
witness says um we have um uh we have
cell phone video from the witness who
you know some evidence of what happened
and now we're seeing that we have some
casings on the ground so the police off
officers are obviously thinking okay so
we have a situation where it's possible
that the wife is dead inside the house
um and that he's you know holed up in
there or maybe he's left the scene and
you know that she's either dead or needs
help inside the house
um so it's again so this part is
reasonable from the police officers this
is what a normal invest even though this
is North Carolina right this is normal
for investigators to want to do
um so they call the district attorney
tell the district attorney what they
have which is a good thing to do the
district attorney helps the detectives
um they get detectives involved and they
write a warrant that's signed by a judge
for the house based on the facts that
they have So based on everything that I
said so far I don't think the police
officer did anything wrong and if you
disagree please put it in there and put
why you think the police officers did
something wrong and what they should
have done instead so that's what we have
um up up to this point
um so then now they do have a warrant
for the house so they call in the SWAT
team which is reasonable they have a
high risk Warrant Where it's possible
that someone you know is going to be
armed inside that's the reason for the
warrant right that there was a a violent
felony you know and someone might be
armed inside so they call they call on
the SWAT team um eventually while the
SWAT team has surrounded the house
eventually and so the thing about this
is that Jason and his wife have a
surveillance camera inside their house
pointing at the front door so we can see
everything that happens so um you know
SWAT team is making noise outside trying
to get a hold of them you can see Jason
and his wife emerge from a bedroom and
walk towards that front door and they
kind of say like who's there what's
going on
um Jason has a black camera in his right
hand it's not like a small camera it's
kind of like a like I gotta say like a
mid-sized camera a black mid-sized
camera in his hand this is real close to
five o'clock in the morning so it's
still dark outside right so Jason exits
the house he exits the house with the
black camera
um a black camera uh it looks like it's
a DSLR um is is the kind of camera it is
so um he's holding he's holding the the
camera in his right hand and he kind of
has hands up like this and his left hand
he has that up as well and him and his
wife both start to exit the door so now
they're in the doorway they actually did
Jason actually takes about one step out
again holding the black camera in his
right hand and his other hand is up as
he exits he's almost immediately shot by
police officers and he shot a couple
times he falls back the wife the wife
goes you shot him I can't believe he
shot him and he ended up dying um police
officers then you can see this from the
surveillance camera video from inside
the residence right so police officers
come in and the wife says you shot him
you shot him and one of the police
officers says it's a camera like
questioning like [ __ ] it's a camera so
let's talk about what happened here so I
I don't have any of the interviews for
so this case is still under
investigation I don't have any of the
interviews from the police officers you
know I haven't seen any of their
attorneys make any statements but I I
think we know what happened here is that
as Jason exited the police officer
whoever fired the shots thought that
that wasn't a camera they thought it was
a gun and that's why they fired the shot
so that's obviously what happened that's
a mistake effect now I'm not saying it's
not criminal I'm not saying it's not
justified but it's absolutely 100
important to know what the facts are and
why someone did what they did was this a
police officer being uh malicious in any
way were they trying to punish Jason
were they trying to murder Jason or did
they have an honest reasonable belief
that it was that it was a gun instead of
a camera well I mean again that's going
to be something for a jury hopefully
they wear body cams out there if they do
we have we haven't we haven't seen it
yet but um so we have to talk about this
so it was a mistake effect so now that
we hopefully we agree it was a mistake
effect right because if you don't think
it was a mistake effect what you're
saying is the police officers in the
moment they knew that Jason had a camera
and they just felt like murdering him
anyways because they wanted to go to
jail for a couple decades and ruin their
life and lose their lose their pension
so so either you think that or you think
yeah this was a mistake by cops now
again for like the third time a mistake
by police can't absolutely 100 be
criminal so just because it's a mistake
doesn't mean it's not criminal I just
want to put that out there so again I
hope I can get everyone on the same page
to agree it's a mistake of fact once we
agree there that it's a mistake effect
then we can say whether or not it was
criminal here's what we would have to go
down here's the legal analysis so the
mistake effect was it reasonable was it
a reasonable mistake effect if the
answer is yes then the officer is
probably either not going to be charged
or more likely charged but not convicted
or if you say no it's not reasonable so
the way that you look at this like
through the lens of the court case
Graham versus Connors what a reasonable
police officer
um in a similar situation act the same
way if that and and how you go well how
do you know what's reasonable you go
okay well let's look at law let's look
at training let's look at the
circumstances let's look at the tactics
all of that combined is it not is this
it's the the standard isn't did this
officer perform perfectly like a robot
no no it's what a reasonable police
officer in a similar situation make that
same Choice again if the answer is yes
then he's probably not going to be
convicted if the answer is no then he
probably will be convicted well let's
talk about some of the different factors
so uh you know so a couple of the
factors so you know the officer is
saying he thought that it was a gun okay
well what evidence do we have that an
officer would think that well this case
involves a gun right I mean they have
evidence that he fired 10 Rounds
evidence that you know know possibly he
used that gun on on the wife which is
why there was a call for service in the
first place so so it's not like there
was no gun it's not like it's not like
this call was about a samurai sword
right um or like like Bruce Bruce Willis
in in Pulp Fiction you know it's not
like this was in reference to a samurai
sword you know um I mean like the call
was literally about someone with a gun
so there was information evidence that
there was a gun at some point you know
the the caller had had the shots being
fired on on on video recording
um so then he exits the house and then
when he exits the house he does have
something black in his hand okay it's
black in his hand but a camera isn't a
gun but it was dark it was dark outside
so you know based on the what the
officer saw is it reasonable that in the
dark with the knowledge that the guy had
a gun prior is it reasonable that you
know in a split-second decision that in
that moment the officer honestly
believed that it was a gun
um that's not something that I can
answer that's a question not even for
prosecutors it's a question for the jury
so that's going to be the question in
this case again I'm not making a
determination whether or not it was
technically whether or not it's guilty
or anything yet because there is so much
more information
um that we're going to have to see
because we haven't seen the body camera
footage what if there's an officer who's
two officers down who says okay look it
looks like he had looks like he has a
camera or what if like four cops yell
gun Gunner say hey he's got a gun so
that that that would maybe put evidence
in One Direction or another this is an
interesting case I think it's a
complicated case
um it's tragic either way because Jason
didn't have a gun he was holding a
camera either way Jason does not deserve
to die and obviously Jason didn't kill
the wife because the wife was in there
with him so one of the questions we have
to ask is why didn't they just answer
the door for the police officers the
first time and again you know you
typically don't have an album especially
if police officers don't have a warrant
you don't have an obligation to answer
the door talk to police officers but
it's one of those things I would rather
have Jason and contact police officers
even if it's over the phone even if you
don't want to open the door for police
officers just call the non-emergency
number and say hey this is Jason I live
here cops are trying to contact me me
and my wife are here and listen we are
not interested in talking to police get
a warrant listen if he had done that
um and they had police officers had
proof of life of the wife
um it's very unlikely that they would
have gone down this whole rabbit hole
and done a warrant and then have a SWAT
team come so again I understand
constitutional rights I think those are
absolutely important but what my goal is
in all of this and what I think the goal
for police officers should be and any
decent person really is how can we make
it so there is not only less use of
force but less death and tragedy and
violence between citizens and police
officers so what can we do so maybe
there was something in policy that
police officers didn't do did they break
a window and throw
dude what a lot of departments do is
during a SWAT call is they will break
out a window which I get I get is
irritating right fine but they'll break
out a window and they'll throw in a cell
phone in case the individual doesn't
have a phone or doesn't know police are
trying to contact them then at least if
the police officers can talk to the
individuals they could try to
de-escalate over the phone they could
give instructions they could say hey
enter Because if they had given
instructions and maybe they did
instructions would have been hey exit
the house with your hands free and clear
that's literally the instruction police
officers give on every single time that
police officers have an individual exit
a house or walk backwards towards them
from a vehicle it's exit with your hands
up and empty up and empty this is why
this is absolutely why so again I I is
the tragic tragic uh situation Jason
obviously did not deserve to die but we
have to think what could have been done
on either side to avoid this in the
future I think it's important to ask
those questions you know whether or not
the officers are going to be charged or
prosecuted it all depends on how
reasonable this was and I think we need
the body camera footage and the
statements from the police officers to
really see what happened there also
let's see officer blue gun did you also
notice even after the the hail a gunfire
he never dropped the cigarettes uh God
God among men in the trailer park oh my
God uh that's interesting comment thank
you officer blue gun Reds did General
District Court I'm going to try my
question from the other week again uh
200 character limit kills me uh okay on
January 15th I was in downtown Austin
when the cops uh shot a guy uh to death
nearly the block I was walking on uh can
I offer to join in next time um I left
talk to our producers to see if we um do
that kind of thing and um but definitely
again if you have questions or a
specific case or you have body camera
footage that you want to send us um
definitely send over we'll look at it
just like I did with this case we got
this case because this case in North
Carolina again wasn't a national case it
was a local case I didn't know about it
until people actually contacted us uh
let's see uh blue collar POV uh let's
see uh we have any other comments on
this case uh let's see if we have any
other comments on this case going up a
little more
um
uh okay I don't I work with the
Department of the 120 sworn
um I worked in the department let's see
uh
don't don't really see if we have any
other comments on this case someone said
trigger happy cops I mean it could be I
want I want to see the body camera
footage again if he entered if he exited
the house with nothing in his hand
um what could we say trigger happy cops
okay okay fine but like he had something
in his hand that at night could
reasonably look like a gun like it's not
unreasonable for the human eye to to and
for the brain to process that in the
moment that isn't completely
unreasonable uh let's see officer blue
gun the camera was a police remote uh
control wheel drone wasn't it and it had
a flashlight on it so it could have
easily looked like a handgun with a lot
yeah I agree I think this absolutely
could look like a handgun um especially
at night especially from some distance
away
um I I don't think that is that it's
unreasonable
um you know it's just it's just one of
those things where it's um it's um yeah
I mean we have to look at it's what's
reasonable in the situation uh let's see
um no other questions on that but that
was a case that definitely wanted to go
through all right so that's going to be
those were the cases that I wanted to
get through today I just want to thank I
just want to thank everyone for being in
here uh for the for the good questions
um I really enjoyed the the back and
forth and like I said if there are any
other cases that you think about like
like Red's General District Courts
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but when you have time definitely put it
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