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good morning good afternoon happy
birthday to the planet Earth all right
so what we're going to get into first is
you know in the last and we didn't do a
show last week so really we're going to
go back a couple weeks and something's
been happening in the country and I'm
not really sure what's going on but I
think everyone pretty much knows what
we're going to talk about at least to
start with and it's there's been several
different incidents where individuals
had made mistakes normal common mistakes
that everyone makes like driving up to
the wrong driveway knocking on the wrong
door ringing the wrong doorbell just
normal reasonable innocent mistakes that
everyone makes and it seems like
homeowners are overreacting and pulling
out guns and getting into shootings with
people and I'm not sure what's going on
it's one of those those things where I'm
not sure if this does this kind of stuff
always happen and it just typically it
just it
I guess I want to say is does this stuff
always happen and maybe it's typically
just local news stories but somehow this
was picked up nationally
um and and it's happened even even in
Albuquerque New Mexico we're not going
to talk about it specifically but
recently there's been two ubereats
people who have been shot at so does
this kind of stuff happen all the time
and normally local stories um instead of
in instead of it being National but I'm
not really sure but here's some of my
initial thoughts about this listen if
someone knocks on your door or rings
your doorbell and for whatever reason
you're scared or terrified just don't
answer the door okay that's what you
should do or call the police or you know
what you should do look out the window
and try to see who it is or just ignore
it because whoever's knocking at your
door is probably just going to go away
listen I've been playing this game with
Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses for
decades and I've always won okay that's
the main thing to do because think about
it how many times in your life has
someone one rang the doorbell or knocked
on your door and they meant to do you
harm almost zero maybe maybe once in
someone's life it's a very rare thing
because in reality most of us just
aren't that important aren't that
controversial it's probably not Walter
White knocking at your door so just
because this is the most interesting
thing to happen to you in the last month
doesn't give you a license to shoot and
kill someone for almost no reason so
we're going to get into the first case
and listen there's three of these cases
and it's as hard as it is to believe
with every case this is over a 10-day
span with every case the set of facts
and circumstances and in my opinion the
behavior from the homeowners just gets
worse so the first case and the
narrative is really strange The
Narrative the median narrative about
these one case really affected the other
and they all kind of strung together
here's what I mean by this so the first
case happened on April 5th uh this year
obviously in Farmington New Mexico so
maybe this one this one did hit the
media it was a national news story but
then since we had a couple of the other
ones it kind of went away a little bit
but this is really how this started on
April 4th 2023 in Farmington New Mexico
which is in the four corner four corners
area of this date so here's what
happened so police officers were sent to
a domestic violence call so this wasn't
police officers who were trying to do a
warrant or were bored or were just
randomly knocking on doors no someone
called in
that their neighbor was involved in a
domestic dispute so police officers had
the address and they went to the call
now the ad now this was at night the
address of the call whatever street it
was on the numerical was 5308 is where
they were supposed to go but for some
reason we're getting to the reasons here
in a minute but for some reason instead
of going to 5308 they went to 5305 which
is the wrong house it's actually across
the street from where they were supposed
to be so what the police officers did
just like they did in the Brianna Taylor
case they knocked and announced they now
they knocked and they announced
Farmington Police and this is all on
body camera footage one again not only
do we have a body camera channel here
mostly but we love the body camera
footage because we can show exactly what
the police officers did because a little
little tangent if the police officers
didn't knock in this case we can
guarantee 100 percent that no one would
believe the police officers that they
actually did not get announced
thankfully it's on body camera footage
police officers knocked on the door and
they said Farmington Police they they
actually did that three different times
in 86 seconds so less than a minute and
a half they did this now they're
standing at the door and they start to
have a conversation so no one's coming
to the door so the police officers start
to have a conversation amongst
themselves about whether or not they're
at the right address so what they do is
they get on the radio and they talk to
dispatch and they ask the dispatcher to
verify the address that they're supposed
to be at now they do this within again
within about 90 seconds this is pretty
quick so this is what we want police
officers to do so they get unseen they
knock an announce at the door no one's
answering it almost immediately they go
to dispatch to just try to verify that
they're at the right place so what the
dispatcher was trying to figure it out
and what they decided to do is hey until
we know for sure whether or not we at
the right address and I should point out
that while on scene there was a training
officer and there was a rookie officer a
rookie officer is the one who uh
basically pointed out that they were at
the wrong address so the rookie he is
the one who thought that they were at
the wrong address so what they do is
after about 86 seconds they actually
back away from the front door while
they're trying to figure this out with
the dispatcher they actually back away
from the front door and they start
leaving as they start to leave they back
away from the front door the homeowner
52 year old Robert Dotson he exits the
house and as he opens the door and exits
the house he's holding a handgun in his
hand and he doesn't just have it at his
side he doesn't have it holstered he has
the handgun it's in his hand it's out
and it's pointed in the direction of the
police officers one of the officers
immediately and when seeing a handgun
pointed in his Direction draws out yells
hands up and then police officers fire
and they kill Mr Dotson now it turns out
that they were at the wrong address the
house that they were supposed to go to
was actually across the street now let's
talk about this so let's look at the
actions and let's break this down let's
see what was reasonable and what
reasonable so let's start at the
beginning when it comes to why would a
police officer possibly go to the wrong
address well as we're going to see this
kind of thing actually happens all the
time now if this is a neighborhood where
you have the addresses that are painted
on the that are painted on the curb or
some other houses where it's like you
know a big Stone thing where you have
like a family crest and an address and
it's in the middle of the day yeah that
would be really difficult to go to the
wrong address but in this case here you
are at night
the address is a lot of times it's
really difficult to see which address
you're actually at so this can happen to
not only a police officer but a pizza
delivery driver an Amazon driver the
mailman or male woman this could happen
all the time to all kinds of people but
when it comes to policing let's let's
talk about just some of the instances
where a police officer might go to the
wrong address so when someone calls the
police they might give the 91 operator
the wrong address the 911 operator might
write down or type in the wrong address
the 911 operator might give the
dispatcher the wrong address or maybe
the dispatcher has the right address but
types in the wrong address then let's
say everybody up to that point the
caller the 911 operator and the
dispatcher all do everything correctly
and have the correct address but then it
gets to the police officer so now let's
say the police officer types it into the
GPS system wrong because I mean this is
just the parlance of our times this is
just how things are no one's driving
around with paper maps all crazy crazy
every police officer that I'm aware with
who doesn't know know where they're
going uses GPS that's again that's just
the reality of it I started in police
work in 2005 and no we weren't using GPS
then but 2009 2010 maybe even a little
earlier than that 2008 yet at that point
we actually did go to where almost
everybody was using GPS for addresses
that they weren't familiar with so let's
say a police officer is supposed to go
to 500 Cedars Southeast let's say that's
what they type into their GPS but no one
ever goes to 500 Cedar Southeast because
500 Cedar northeast is a hospital or a
restaurant or that's been punched into
Google GPS a thousand times in the last
couple days whereas 500 Cedar south or
north no one ever types that address in
so it's possible a police officer could
even type in the right address but maybe
GPS sends them someplace else does that
happen absolutely maybe when the police
officer they type in the GP the the
address correctly but they get there and
the house doesn't have a numerical
number on it some houses especially in
like small towns like Farmington some
houses like literally don't have numbers
on them or at night like it's impossible
to see from the street so again there's
all these reasons why a police officer
might go to a wrong address those are
all unintentional now sometimes police
officers go to the wrong address and
it's intentional here's what I mean by
this let's say there's a call for
service where there's a disturbance
going on and a police officer before
they go in they make contact with the
individuals sometimes they want to
gather more information so police
officers all the time on a regular basis
they knock on the doors of neighbors to
try to get more information now normally
this is seen as police officers being
thorough being competent doing a good
pre-investigation so they have all kinds
of information before they actually go
contact people so usually people think
that police officers that's put into the
category of a police officer being
thorough so now again now this obviously
they do this in in Farmington they
didn't do this in intentionally go to
the wrong address but you could say a
situation where they would have knocked
on the wrong door because they had a
question for the neighbor it's not
trespassing it's not it's not an
unreasonable thing for a police officer
to do so let's get to Robert Dotson so
Robert Dotson it was late at night let's
say that he was sleeping okay so he's
woken up by a knock at the door instead
of just looking out the window to see
that it was police officers he comes out
armed with a gun now listen anytime at
night or you're answering the door
someone's at your door I get grabbing a
gun I do that if someone it doesn't have
again this doesn't happen very often but
in the last six years I've lived at my
house we've had two different people
ring the doorbell kind of late at night
not both times it was neighbors but each
time I went I grabbed one of my guns and
I had it at my side as I opened the door
that's a pretty reasonable thing that's
an unreasonable thing for a person to do
when they get a knock at the door kind
of in the middle of the night but what's
unreasonable is to open the door fully
and have a handgun out and pointed it
wildly like you're like you're here on
unsealed Team Six clearing the the bin
Laden Hideout like that doesn't make any
sense look out the window see who it is
look out the peephole um but opening the
door and just pointing it at anything
that moves I mean that doesn't make a
whole lot of sense so now you have
police officers who yeah they kind of
have the feeling that they're at the
wrong house but now they're retreating
from the house they're going back
probably to their cars or or to
someplace else to really try to figure
out the correct address but now all of a
sudden the door swings open quickly and
someone has a gun pointed in their
Direction the idea that in that moment
that police officers are going to shoot
and use deadly force of course that's
reasonable because when you have a gun
pointed at you your life may only have
moments left to it there's no time to
de-escalate there's no time to have a
conversation and and figure things out
that that isn't reasonable so it's
reasonable that the police officer shots
now as soon as this was over the chief
of police at Farmington he did make a
public apology which is probably
probably the correct thing for the for
the police department to do it's
probably a reasonable thing for for the
police department to do because to
acknowledge yeah we went to the wrong
address now that's not the same thing uh
now that's the same thing as saying that
um it was an illegal or unlawful or
against policy police shoot objectively
there was a gun pointed in the direction
of police officers and they responded
with deadly force again that's a
reasonable that's a reasonable thing for
the police officers to do I cannot
imagine a situation where the police
officers are charged criminally in this
case that they likely didn't even
violate any policy if you think that the
police officers violated a policy and
again it's okay to have different
opinions on this put it in the chat I'm
really curious to see what people think
if people think the police officers
violated some policy or some law or when
a gun is pointed in their Direction they
should have done something else now what
this is going to be is a civil case so
the family actually had a press
conference and and they they did they
did alert that they are going to sue
which is reasonable okay which is
absolutely reasonable for them to do
um they're going to file a lawsuit of
course the family wants a second degree
murder charges against the police
officers I'm hoping that's not the case
because again in order to say that you
want second-degree murder charges what
you would have to say is that police
officers
um committed something you know going to
the wrong house which again can't can't
happen it's not illegal to do it can
happen delivery drivers do it all the
time sometimes police officers knock at
doors that aren't involved because they
want more information from citizens and
again normally that's considered police
officers being thorough let's say it
wasn't intentional in this case but it
very well could have been so um this is
going to be a civil case I mean we all
know that's that's coming and it's it's
a far lower standard in Civil Court um
but when it comes to whether or not
policy or law was violated I don't I
don't see anything what should a police
officer do when there was a gun pointed
at them like I said if you have
something else that a police officer
should do I'm I'm really curious put it
in the chat but it seems that the
shooting was objectively reasonable
daylight disinfected says the city will
settle I think that's a fair assessment
daylight doesn't disinfecting yeah and
like I said the police chief has already
publicly apologized for what the police
officers did uh let's see Steve Ladner
haven't talked to Steve in a while uh
let's see uh a man sleeping in the back
bedroom would not have heard them say
police officers I agree I agree with you
Steve um and listen the thing is I'm not
I'm not saying that
um he did hear and he purposely went
outside Steve let's assume that he
didn't know that it was police officers
um but what what I'm what I'm saying is
um but what I'm saying Steve is that you
know whether or not you know it was
police officers or not if you exit your
door like that
um you're putting who's ever at the door
in a situation where they have a gun
pointing at them again it could have
been a pizza delivery guy who who went
to the wrong address who now has a gun
pointing at them so again that just
doesn't make a whole lot of sense in
short it's a bad idea it's a look out
the window look out the people if you're
not sure who's there if you're not sure
who your target is why are you pointing
a gun again it's a bad idea it's an
objectively bad idea and these are the
consequences uh no shoes someone says
unqualified immunity anyone who says
unqualified immunity doesn't truly
understand qualified immunity um but um
definitely we are here to educate we
have def a whole bunch of different
videos on it if you go back and check
um okay so we're going to uh the same
person who wants to end qualified
immunity let's see uh says he can do
what the hell he wants on his property
yeah he can he can and if you point a
gun at someone they might defend
themselves uh all right let's see uh
lazy chemistry says if a police officer
has a gun pointed at them they have full
Liberty to shoot back uh kill of
necessary yeah I agree they have to stop
the threat uh null entity says the
videos that I have seen the houses were
clearly marked as the wrong address yeah
and again that happened so so yeah and
and null and yeah and they it seems like
they realized they were at the wrong
address in 86 seconds and within 86
seconds they actually left the porch
and they and they uh started to to walk
back to their car so yeah so the police
officers made a mistake again which
hundreds thousands of people make around
the country for a lot of different
reasons and they actually realized their
mistake in 86 seconds and started
walking away um yeah so that that
absolutely does happen uh let's see uh
daylight says what if the cops stay in
the street and use the intercom to say
police come to the door well daylight
that's a really good thing but this was
just a regular a regular uh domestic
violence call that happens all the time
so
um you would think that waking up so
every time that there's a call for
service which you know Police Department
the size of Farmington so Farmington New
Mexico has I don't know somewhere
somewhere between 50 and 100 000 people
I think they probably have 60 or 70
police officers maybe they get 10
domestic violence calls a night so uh 10
times a night you know if it's nothing
felony nothing serious nothing like you
know there's an armed person shooting
people or anything like that you know if
it's a regular domestic violence call
which you know most of the time don't
those don't even end in a red so I
probably should call it domestic dispute
call most of the time those don't even
end an arrest
um the idea that you're going to get on
a loudspeaker wake up the entire
neighborhood I mean that would piss
people off pretty quick um so now if
there's a felon who's inside barricaded
yes police officers do use those kinds
of tactics daylight but not for every
every call for service uh let's see
um if we have my name is last comment my
name is after watching numerous cop
watching First Amendment auditor videos
I would say you accomplished very little
uh for all the trouble you caused yeah I
think that's I think that's probably
Fair uh let's see
um okay all right so so
um we that's going to be a civil case um
uh obviously no one wants anyone to die
um uh this is a tragedy because someone
who was home in their
um uh someone who was home uh in their
house you know really not bothering
anyone did die um but when we look at
like if it was Criminal by the police
officers or not um you know it doesn't
it doesn't seem like that's the case um
now we get to Ben Crum so Ben Crump
everyone knows Attorney Ben Crumpy's
kind of a grifter who goes around and
race baits all around the country so Ben
Crump commented on Twitter when this
happened and what Ben even though Ben
Crump hasn't been retained for this case
obviously but what Ben Crump said is
that there was no excuse I quote his
Twitter he said there was no excuse that
the police officers went to the wrong
address so just remember that so Ben
Crump is on record and I screenshotted
it his Twitter saying that when someone
goes to the wrong address there's in his
words no excuse keep that in mind next
case we're going to talk about because
this is extremely relevant uh this this
goes to
um uh about about six or seven days
later so April 13th of this year in
Kansas City uh there was a 16 year old
kid named Ralph yarl um Ralph is a
musician in his school it seems like he
comes from a really good family a
reasonable kid good kid not in any kind
of trouble his mother asked him to go
pick up his 11 year old siblings at
about 10 o'clock at night now Ralph I
don't think he'd ever been to this house
before where his where his friends were
his siblings were at and the address
that his mother told him to go to the
numerical was 115 Terrace
115th Street so while Ralph went to
115th Street Terrace so really a house
that had the same numerical 115th
um same numerical in the same
neighborhood but instead of straight it
was Terrace and most of us know kind of
how these streets are you know it'll
have like the number of the streets and
stuff and a lot of times Avenue street
Lane Terrace a lot of times that that's
in smaller letters so again that's
reasonable for anyone to make that
mistake a police officer a delivery
driver uh uh Pizza Hut a male male
people UPS a 16 year old teenager who's
never been there before yeah it's a
reasonable mistake that someone might
make and I'm going to say this a couple
times throughout the day going to the
wrong address unintentionally that's not
a crime and you know what it's not a
character flaw okay doesn't mean that
you're a bad person because you went to
the wrong address Ralph yarl was not a
bad person because he went to the wrong
address that's not that isn't anything
that is criminal in nature so what Ralph
did is he went to the door and he rang
the doorbell thinking he was going to
pick up his 11 year old siblings inside
the house was an 84 year old man named
Arnold Lester Arnold this was 10 o'clock
at night he's 84 years old he was
sleeping so he was woken up by the
doorbell so uh Mr Lester he wakes up he
grabs his gun and again Mr Lester does
something very similar only worse only
worse because I said as I'm going to go
through these cases the behavior of the
homeowners just keep getting worse as
I'm going through so what the homeowner
does is it here's what it seems like and
more information is going to come out in
this obviously but what it seems like
happened is that Mr Lester opened the
main door to the big door and there was
still a screen door or like a storm door
in between
it's common in the midwest we don't have
them here where I'm at in the southwest
but in the midwest we have we all have
screen doors um it seems like he's shot
at Ralph yarl through the screen door he
struck him in the head
um as Ralph was on the ground
um Mr Lester shot at him one more time
and hit him in the arm now thankfully
Ralph Yara was able to get up and run
away he was able to run three houses
down and get some help from a neighbor
ambulances came the good news we'll go
with the good news the good news is that
it seems like he's going to recover now
I'm sure he's going to have some
injuries I'm sure there's there's going
to be some lastings of but he has been
he's actually um been on some phone
calls with people he's been invited to
the to the White House um I guess what
I'm saying is like it's like yes of
course he's going to have some lasting
injuries but he's alive he's alive and
hopefully he is going to mostly be okay
um in this case yeah uh now there is
some dispute there is some factual
dispute from Ralph yarl and from Mr
Lester about what happened some of those
disputes are Mr Lester said said that
not only did Ralph yarl knock but he
also was jiggling at the door Ralph
Laurel said that he only rang the
doorbell now we don't know what happened
so what the facts all of these facts um
this is going to be for a jury to decide
because Mr Lester appropriately was
charged with a crime so all of this is
going to be for a jury to decide you
know who they believe on what the actual
facts are but here's what we do know
here's what we can say is that Ralph
yarl he was unarmed he had no intent to
hurt Mr yarl and he was there to pick up
11 year olds his 11 year old siblings
now is it possible now again we don't
know this word I'm just going to
speculate is it possible that he rang
the doorbell and then opened the storm
door and tried to knock on the main door
so if I'm not saying Ralph yarl did that
that hasn't come in but if Ralph yarrow
did that that's completely reasonable
that's something as a kid I would do all
the time as a police officer that's
something that I would do because
sometimes you ring the doorbell and from
the out outside you can't tell if the
doorbell actually worked so many times
you open up that screen door or storm
door which most of the time that's not
locked and then you knock on the main
door to try to get someone's attention
if you're not sure the doorbell worked
again that's not criminal that's a
completely reasonable thing for someone
to do and again I'm not saying Ralph
yarl did that but if he did that would
be reasonable it would also explain so
if you hear that that storm door opening
is it possible that Mr Lester thought
that it was someone who was trying to
open up the other door sure he's 84 he's
old he probably doesn't hear all that
good I mean we know what 84 year olds
are like look at look at Joe Biden we
know what what 84 or what the cognition
of 84 year olds is like okay like it do
no fault of their own they're not all
there may they may not be all there and
it's at night so even if you're 22 years
old you know when you when it's at night
and you're woken up and you're kind of
groggy you may not have me all your
faculties may not be there so we have
the age we have the time and night and
the fact that he was asleep so so is it
possible that he thought yes I mean it's
possible however again what should you
do if someone is knocking at your door
or ringing your doorbell and for some
reason you are scared or terrified call
the police
look out the window look out the
peephole see who it is what you don't do
is start shooting through a door at
someone who is unarmed just standing
there that's absolutely insane the
charges are absolutely appropriate um
for this case um so he was charged um on
because Ralph yarrow thankfully survived
so you know some type of an aggravated
assault type charge um uh he was um he
was charged and he was released um so
he'll be on he'll be on you know some
kind of a you know pre-pre uh
pre-prosecution uh the the detention
while the while the trial is going on
now we get to Ben Crump who I do believe
has involved this case along with uh uh
the the local attorney
um and Ben Crum said this and he said
this so so I agree that charges should
be filed against against Mr Lester I
don't have any problem with that however
before we knew all the facts so before
we know what we know today
um before Mr Lester um before they even
knew the identity and the reason we know
that is because Ben Crump put out a
tweet that said that said the unknown
offender the unknown unnamed Fender so
at the time that he made this tweet Ben
Crump literally didn't know who the
offender was had no idea about him he
said that he wanted charges filed
against the homeowner so so let's so
let's do this which I agree with but but
let's let's take this let's see if we're
logically consistent because you know
what when you're looking at people if
they're not logically consistent you
know that they just aren't honest
Arbiters of of going over current event
and news
um when people aren't honest you know
what Ben Crump does is he'll look at
cases and he'll look at the race of the
person and the job title of the person
and based on a combination of very
complicated a very complicated equation
of a very complicated formula of job
title and race he'll decide who he wants
charges to be filed against and who's at
fault when reasonable people should look
at the facts of the case to decide
because in this case just like in the
Farmington Police case I think the
homeowner was incorrect both times so
one had the police officers ringing the
wrong doorbell and one had a 16 year old
black kid ringing the wrong doorbell in
my mind the homeowner was incorrect in
both of those cases the race of the
individuals involved or the job title
police officer I don't think has
anything to do with it um but so so it's
it isn't logically consistent um but you
know it's almost like I've never seen a
narrative change so fast right because
we went from we went from saying police
officers running the wrong doorbell I
quote no excuse to the next time Ralph
yarrow Rings the wrong doorbell now
there's no fault to the person who rang
the wrong doorbell and it's a hundred
percent on the homeowner again it's not
logically consistent and I just hope
that I'm not the only one who sees these
lies about current events in real time
but the narrative changed so fast from
police officers are trespassing some
people even said that they deserve to be
shot because they went to the wrong
address okay well then when it happens
to Ralph yarl you can't make that same
argument and you are forced to be honest
at least about that case that it's
unreasonable for the homeowner to act in
that manner I think that's the case for
both of those individuals all right
let's see if we have some comments on
this case uh officer blue gun good to
see you uh the news is way scarier a
daylight disinfectant says uh I'm not
sure I agree uh the trespasser had a
responsibility to take reasonable care
okay I'm not I'm not I'm not sure which
case we are talking about uh let's see
uh Sergeant George says homeowners are
usually in the wrong on these cases yes
uh let's see
um
uh let's see milkmaid's kid too bad the
bad things happen Okay uh let's see uh
Eagle 10 well we know you're vulnerable
to home and patience uh
because I because I I opened the door
and looked through the the peephole with
a gun in my hand but I don't have it
pointed at people I'm uh I also have two
giant Great Pyrenees dogs that are going
to do more damage than any of my guns
probably so I don't think I'm vulnerable
but but okay uh let's see um uh Milkman
says scary and incomplete most always
the news is yes absolutely okay so so I
I think a lot of people are kind of
seeing this uh are kind of seeing this
the the same way which I think is
reasonable so now like I said this was a
series of three different cases so now
we're gonna go to two days later to 4
15. so now we're literally 10 days from
when the Farmington Police Officer case
happened two days after Ralph yarrow's
case this is Kalyn Gillis this happened
on 4 15 of this year in Upstate New York
now what Kalyn did her and her friends
made the absolute horrible mistake of
driving up the wrong driveway so I think
it was two or three cars and one
motorcycle Kalyn Gillis and her friends
uh were trying to this is rural Upstate
New York now I've never been to rural
Upstate New York but what I hear is that
it's it's kind of like mountainy and
woodsy and you know it's it's rural you
know I'm not the it's a rural area it's
not New York city so um I think we've
seen pictures of this case so uh
pictures of the area where this happened
and yeah it looks like it's like a kind
of like a country kind of area there's
not a lot of houses and stuff like that
so and in fact in this case is that and
we'll get to in a second but Kailyn and
her friends didn't even have cell phone
service so imagine that at least the
police officers and Ralph yarl at least
they had the option to use their cell
phones to use GPS to do all these things
it seems like Kailyn and her friends
didn't have cell phone service so it's
unknown if they would even be able to
um uh know where they were going but
they were trying to find a friend's
house and the way these driveways are
there's these like long winding
driveways so and you know this was at
night and unfortunately they drove up
the wrong driveway it was either one or
two cars and then also uh someone on a
motorcycle so they do they drive up
there drive up the driveway of the wrong
house it's objectively the wrong house
so they get there and they all kind of
stop now the reports are that no one
actually exits the cars no one gets out
they don't start walking around they
don't even ring the doorbell which again
wouldn't be illegal people go to the
wrong house all the time it's not a
character flaw okay but they didn't even
do that it seems like as soon as they
pulled up they got to the end of the
driveway they saw the house they
realized that it wasn't the right house
now what they probably tried to do is
they probably tried to talk to each
other and say oh okay this is the wrong
house where should we go well maybe it's
too down maybe it's that way that's a
reasonable conversation you could see
people having while they don't have cell
phone service right so not only they can
just call each other as they're driving
on the driveway like that's the only way
that they were able to communicate right
there to figure out and to kind of
confer this actually is the wrong house
so what they did is they they talked
they had they had a conversation and
they went back and they started to drive
away as they were driving away uh 65
year old homeowner Kevin Monahan he
comes out on his porch and he fires a
couple shots at the vehicles as they're
driving away
um unfortunately he one of the one of
the rounds did strike Kailyn Gillis who
is was a 20 year old she was a passenger
in the vehicle in one of the cars and um
she she was a passenger in one of the
cars and um uh yeah I mean it's like an
Always Sunny where it's like so anyway I
started blasting you know kids kids
drove up on my driveway and they turned
around so anyways I started blasting and
it's absolutely crazy you know I I would
make the argument that I think most
people are going to agree with that this
homeowner was in the least danger that's
why I said these cases keep getting
worse this homeowner well let me get
back to Caitlyn so Caitlyn was
unfortunately struck um because there
wasn't any cell phone service
um they couldn't call for an ambulance
right there so her boyfriend did drive
her down down the driveway invite this
to the main road they actually had to
drive about six miles until they were in
cell phone range that got EMS there
unfortunately uh the injury she's just
she sustained was a fatal injury
um and she did she did pass away
um I would argue that the shooter the
homeowner Kevin Monahan he was in less
danger than the homeowner at Farmington
Police then and certainly in less danger
than Mr Lester who who shot Ralph yarl
because no one was at his door again
it's not illegal to ring the wrong
doorbell on accident not illegal doesn't
mean that you're threatening anybody but
these kids these young people they
didn't even get out of the car they
weren't walking around his house they
didn't even go up to the door so again
so the idea it's even true for for
police officers that's why most police
departments have policies that if
someone is in a vehicle you're not
supposed to shoot at a moving car
because people are in objectively Less
Reason less immediate danger if someone
is in a car now you have a case where
they're driving away so even if you
think for some reason I am a high up on
my porch like two I'm on the second
floor
people in a car okay there's no danger
there when people the cars turn around
and start driving away that's literally
what you want them to do if you don't
want them on your property watching them
drive away and leave that's literally
what you want to happen to so to shoot
at that point is absolutely insane so
um yeah that's absolutely that's
absolutely crazy
um so yeah he um he has been charged um
he did not get bail which I think is
which I think is correct so he has been
charging her murder he absolutely should
be again of the all three cases we
talked about this is um to me the least
justifiable case uh null entity says a
random person accidentally ring your
doorbell is very different than a cop
banging at your door and demanding you
come out for no reason
um no entity well I'm not sure I'm not
sure um
you know who demanded that they come out
so if we go to the Farmington case they
knocked on the door and they yelled
Farmington Police um they knocked and
announced which again just like they did
in the Brianna Taylor case that's what
the police officers are supposed to do
they're supposed to knock it announced
at no point um it's on body camera video
I'm not making this up because I think
it's fun um I mean at no point did the
police officers knock on the door
threatened who's ever inside the house
yell you need to come out now or else no
they knocked on the door so the police
officers knocked on the door and yelled
Farmington Police like again like
literally what we want police officers
to do because if you're a police officer
and you're knocking on a door um it's
reasonable that you want people to know
who you are and people can decide people
have that right you know to decide
whether or not they want to open the
door or not you know that's that's how
it is um let's see uh uh someone says
all are all illegal police stops uh
cases for civil rights that's good radic
says are all illegal police stops cases
for civil rights violations well uh
probably so any kind of it is so so
already dick so any kind of a stop or a
detention from a police officer is the
detention police have to meet certain
legal thresholds in order to even
temporarily take away your freedom now
um when it comes to civil rights
violations I guess it could be now let's
say a police officer stops you because
of of some uh a traffic stop because
they run your license plate they think
that your license plate is expired but
let's say they accidentally typed in the
wrong license plate okay and they detain
you for 45 seconds before they figure it
out well
um are you going to be able to file a
lawsuit because they detained you for 45
seconds and said hey I'm sorry it was
the wrong play
um no I mean because the level of damage
isn't great now if you if they charge
you with a crime and they falsely arrest
you if that's malicious yes then
absolutely of course so really you have
to look at it there's a couple different
factors the length of the detention and
really a lot of it is did the police
officers do something reasonable or were
they doing something with malice were
they trying to be rude and a jerk and
they were they trying to violate your
rights because they're just bad people
well or do they make an honest mistake
instead of hitting a K on their computer
they hit an l and it came back expired
they stopped you and then they let you
go so it kind of just depends uh let's
see uh daylight disinfected cops and
cons what are your opinions on the no
knock warrant oh daylight why do you
have such good questions we'll do no
knock warrants really quick I think no
knock warrants I I think no knock
warrants should be a thing sometimes um
I'm okay with cities and municipalities
and police departments coming up with
policies that no knock warrant should
only be used for
um people who are shown to be um violent
towards police officers like I'm good
with that I think that's reasonable So
when you say we're not going to do no
knock warrants no matter what I don't
think that's a big deal I think that's a
bad idea I'm going to give you an
example before we move on here daylight
so let's look at the Brianna Taylor case
okay so in this case police officers in
the Brianna Taylor case
um her boyfriend who is inside the
apartment and the police officers
outside let's go where they agree on
they all agree that the police officers
knocked right they knocked let's say
even Brianna Taylor's boyfriend Kenneth
Walker said yeah the police officers
knocked in fact they knocked so loud
that they woke us up they woke us up we
got dressed and they were able to arm
themselves with a gun and go into the
hallway right so um so so this is a case
where the police officers knocked uh
there's a dispute on whether or not they
yelled police or not so we don't have to
get into that but everyone agrees that
they knocked my argument on the bragana
Taylor cases what if the police officers
did a no-knock warrant what if they
didn't knock what if they just busted in
the door if they did a no knock warrant
they likely would have got Brianna and
her boyfriend in custody and contained
before any shots were fired because
that's the thing of a no-knock mort you
go in quick before anyone knows what
happens and most of the time it's
actually safer statistically for police
officers and for individuals occupants
inside of a house because people don't
have enough time to again get dressed
start thinking about what's going on arm
themselves with a gun so again I don't
think police officers should always do
no knock warrants of course but if it's
someone who is known to be violent if
someone is violent okay I'm gonna do one
one more scenario here so when it comes
to no knock warrant so there was a case
in uh Saint Paul Minnesota I can't
remember can't remember the kid's name
it it'll come to me probably I'm talking
but there was a no knock wondering he
was actually killed by police officers
just about a year ago well this kid had
a what did I say kids he was like 18 or
19 years old um this guy had a warrant
for um all kinds of stuff stealing cars
property theft so he had a warrant out
for his arrest and then he was actually
wanted for a murder so I remember he
murdered a random 35 year old guy who
was just in the neighborhood I think
picking up his kids so um I can't
remember this kid's name I said it'll
come to me as a as I'm going through it
this was last year in Saint Paul
Minnesota the Minneapolis Police
Department was assisting on this but
um so they had a warrant for this guy
for all kinds of property crimes drug
crimes and he had a warrant for a
homicide right oh Amir lock officer blue
gun how come you're the best I just need
you to answer that question why are you
the best yeah a mirlock so Amir lock was
actually the individual who was killed
by by police officers it was his cousin
um uh uh I think it was like milky speed
or something like that I think his name
is I I believe
um anyway so yeah so this was a a April
6th of of last year I think his name was
like Melky speed is the guy who had the
warrant anyways so he had this warrant
okay so you have a warranty you have
property crimes drug crimes and a murder
that's what this guy has a warrant for
okay so I think we can all objectively
say we want the police officers to get
this person into custody hopefully we're
all on the same page there okay so now
we get to the point how do we want
police officers to try to get this
person into custody well in this case
what they did is they tried to do a
traffic stop they tried to do a traffic
stop
um they were going to stop him in the
car and when they stopped him they were
going to arrest him okay that seems
reasonable well they tried three
different times but you know what this
guy did every time the police officers
tried to stop him he fled he fled and
the police officers made the decision we
don't want to get into a high speed
chase because that's not just dangerous
for him for police most importantly
high-speed chases are dangerous for the
community random people at large so
three times the police officers tried to
get this guy in the country with traffic
stops he fled now the last time that he
fled police officers he pulled out a gun
and he started shooting at police
officers as he was playing okay so now
we have a situation we have someone
who's wanted for all kinds of crimes
including a homicide he's ran from
police three different times and the
last time he shot at police now is it
reasonable that police officers okay
we're gonna try something else right so
they do surveillance they find out that
he is over uh that he may be at an
apartment that's owned by his cousin or
live his cousin Amir lock lives there
now you're a police officer you're a
manager of a police department what do
you think police officers should do
should they knock on the door and say
police were the police please come to
the door now that to me that's crazy
because he's already shot a gun at
police officers that's nuts and in fact
it's irresponsible imagine a situation
where you have someone the police
officers have information they know he
already shot at us once so if you are
not going to announce as police police
and let's say there's a shooting and
someone dies what the dishonest
anti-police critic what they're going to
say is uh you know this guy is violent
like you know that he wants to shoot
with police officers so you knocked and
announced all crazy crazy because you
were trying to incite him to to do
something so you got to give you an
excuse for killing him so we know that's
what they would say but in this
situation it's reasonable after try
these other things okay well now we're
gonna go to a no-knock warrant because
he shown to be violent specifically
violence not just towards the person he
killed but violence towards law
enforcement so the idea that in that
case that you are going to the idea that
in that case that you are going to do a
a no-knock warranty to me it's
reasonable all right um now
unfortunately as they went into the
police officer the no knock warrants a
mere Locke happened to be in the house
um with the person they were looking for
he reached for a gun and police officers
killed him so obviously we don't want
anyone instant to die right but the idea
that you should take no knock warrants
off the table just doesn't make a whole
lot of sense uh Sergeant George says uh
note to self taking away a police
officer's ability to perform a traffic
stop is a bad idea traffic stops are one
of the key elements in law enforcement
yeah agree uh daylight disinfectant that
was a really good question thank you uh
let's see uh yeah I'm uh the case uh
we'll save lives yeah so again no knock
warrants aren't always appropriate but I
mean we have a real life example where I
think it was appropriate to do um and if
and maybe there are people who think
that it's not appropriate to do I'm good
with that I'm good with different
opinions and fact I want to hear other
opinions and I want to hear why I want
to hear why you want police officers to
do something else if that's the case
because I think that's where the
interesting conversations are uh Ryan
Holzer take away the Terry stop I'm not
sure why you want to take away a Terry
stop Ryan do you know what a Terry stop
is
um so uh you know a Terry stop you
basically have to have reasonable
suspicion that someone is armed and
dangerous if you have reasonable
suspicion that someone is armed and
dangerous police officers can search for
a weapon
um so again I'm not again if there's no
reasonable suspicion that you're armed
and dangerous then um yeah there's
there's not then police officers can't
do that so now police officers shouldn't
do illegal Terry stops um but again if
it's I don't really see a problem with
that if anything all this does is it it
lowers the incidence of violence between
individuals and police which is is a
goal I think we should all have uh all
right okay so uh the next case that that
we're going to talk about is um uh this
is I just I just heard about this in the
last 24 hours or so maybe I was out of
it but um I just heard about this last
case in the 24 hours and it's not
exactly the same kind of a case
um that we talked about with the first
three but it's in the ballpark of being
you know uh someone being unreasonable
when it comes to a shooting so this
happened in Gaston County North Carolina
what happened is there was a an
individual she's six years old her name
is Kinsley White and her parents are
William and Ashley so Kinsley and her
friends were playing with with a
basketball in front of in front of the
well Ryan Holzer um you can say it's an
invasion of the fourth amendment I get
that's your opinion but that's not what
the courts have said so I guess we I
guess we can uh agree to disagree on but
the courts have not found it to be an
invasion of the Fourth Amendment um so
Kinsley white um her parents uh William
and Ashley were involved in this case
with their neighbor
uh with their neighbor and I didn't
write down the neighbor's name I can't
believe oh yes I did a Robert Lewis
Singletary Robert Lewis single Terry is
the is the neighbor
um and you know it's been reported by
other neighbors that a couple different
times that you know anytime a baseball
basketball or just normal things that
kids do goes onto his property or in his
yard or near his house that he yells and
screams and he gets all crazy crazy with
the neighborhood kids so what happened
is Kinsley and her friends were were
outside playing and a basketball went
into his front yard um the kids went to
retrieve the basketball and instead of
what an old person would do okay there's
a six-year-old getting a basketball from
my yard go back to doing what you're
doing like a normal adult human right
um but Robert Lewis single Singletary no
that's not that's not him he doesn't
roll like that he gets out and starts
screaming at the kids well you know he
starts screaming and yelling at the kids
I guess as he had done before so what
happened was the kids went back they
they told the parents what happened so
of course like a reasonable good parent
might do um it seems like William and
Ashley went over there and pretty much
said dude I can why are you yelling and
screaming at kids causing disturbance
about a basketball going into your yard
like that's that's absolutely crazy
um during this dispute
um Robert Louis Singleton he pulled out
a gun and he started shooting not just
shooting at the dad not just shooting at
the mom but he also shot at Kinsley um
it's been reported that the dad William
actually shielded Kinsley um uh uh she
was grazed with a bullet in the face um
the mother was graced with a bullet and
uh the Father William he suffered uh
critical injuries um he's still trying
to recover but he suffered some some
pretty serious injuries um Robert Lewis
Singleton um so those are pretty
shocking facts right like this is isn't
something that normally happens pretty
shocking facts to this case but you know
what's not shocking this guy has a long
and violent criminal history so going
back to a couple months ago December of
last year December of 22 he was involved
in a domestic dispute with his
girlfriend what he did is he allegedly
because the case is still pending he
allegedly beat her with a mini
sledgehammer and held her against her
will inside his home for over two hours
he was charged with kidnapping and
assault and he was actually which are
pretty serious felonies and he was
released on 250 000 Bond so what a lot
of us are going to say is why is this
guy even out why is he even out okay so
he the charges were serious enough to
give him a two hundred thousand two
hundred fifty thousand dollar Bond so
why was he even out secondly so he's on
probation not not probation like
pre-trial Services where you would think
he has a lot of different conditions so
the way this works is instead of being
in jail while the trial is pending the
court the judge basically says okay
we're going to let you be out so you can
work you can live your life you can do
your thing but there's some restrictions
you can't drink alcohol you can't do
illegal drugs you can't associate with
criminals you can't contact any of the
victims and one of those conditions
almost always is you cannot possess
weapons so you know it's not a law but
you know it's in order from the court
that he he likely wasn't supposed to
possess any kind of weapons so this is
what we talk about we're going to talk
about gun control now but that's what we
say like bad people who are going to
commit crimes they don't give a [ __ ]
about gun control laws good people do
bad people like Robert Lewis single
Terry don't all right so um he wasn't
even supposed to have a gun he was had
felonies pending and uh so that again
when you do something like this you
shoot you shoot rant you shoot people in
this kind of scenario no one is
surprised when you look back and you see
yeah this guy's got a pretty serious
violent history no one is surprised by
that fact then
um in in complete you know incomplete
just to get the full picture of this guy
if that wasn't cowardly enough he fled
he fled North Carolina
um and but thankfully thankfully for for
us and for law enforcement he's actually
better at shooting six-year-old girls
than he is at hiding from police because
he was apprehended last night in Florida
um so he was apprehended last night and
he will face uh charges for the shooting
which is you know gonna go obviously
that's gonna violate his conditions of
release for the the other felony and um
yeah he'll face some he'll face some
pretty serious felonies here uh yeah and
this he should be a dead man walking in
prison because when you shoot a
six-year-old kid
um uh people take that pretty seriously
um even in prison as they absolutely
should
um yeah so those are the cases that we
were going to talk about um before we
wrap up I'm gonna get to some of your
comments uh officer blue gun let's see
what we got here oh goodness um okay uh
so I think officer blue gun was talking
about uh the Fourth Amendment and he
said uh how can it be an invasion of the
fourth amendment is there a reasonable
suspicion based on specific facts that
you can articulate
um officer bluegun I I agree with you
and the thing is the courts the courts
agree as well so um if the courts find
that that is an invasion of the Fourth
Amendment we can have that discussion
but as far as I'm concerned it's said a
law so uh Sergeant George says the
father was definitely the hero for
trying to Shield his daughter and wife
Sergeant George you're always right uh
on these things I agree with you 100
um that father absolutely is a hero for
for doing that put himself at risk and
he still has critical injuries um well
hopefully he survives but he's looking
not great right now uh let's see
um
let's see I think therefore I am uh he's
out because of allegedly okay not sure
uh Megan kid says Steve Ladner
absolutely I'm home alone okay let's see
um
uh what other comments we have Sergeant
George says not a smart move on the part
of the judge to let Robert Lewis
Singletary uh out to begin with uh
without the need to look at his track
record I agree with you 100
um I'm gonna go on the record and say
that uh he shouldn't have been out maybe
this is controversial but if you have
one or two felonies on your record and
then you are arrested again and I'm not
just saying like you know someone
randomly accused you something but we
have like a good witness a good
believable witness and it's reasonable
and objectively reasonable thing that
you you battered someone with a mini
sledgehammer and held them against their
will yeah I'm I'm good with you being
held to be being held in jail
um I'm I'm 100 good with that I think
most of us are uh daylight says uh
non-sequadur uh concealed carry if I get
pulled over uh should I tell the officer
I'm carrying daylight again God you got
all the good questions today I would say
yes um uh as a police officer anytime
someone told me that they had a gun and
the state that I worked in um is a very
gun friendly State um uh so everybody
has a gun but
um anytime someone told me that they
were carrying a firearm I always
appreciated it
um but again maybe not all police
officers would appreciate it but I
always appreciate it I always thought it
was nice when someone told me they were
armed I took it as a sign of mutual uh
respect and also when when I've been off
duty caring and um I've been pull pulled
over every time I've told the officer
who stopped me that I was carrying a
firearm as well um and I've always had
had good good outcomes from that so um
again that's just my personal personal
opinion uh officer blue gun uh feels
like the toothpaste is out of the tube I
know and I I agree I agree uh let's see
uh therefore I am why are we talking
about physically harming someone that is
mentally unwell she should be
institutionalized okay not not sure
which case that we're that we're talking
about
um but uh if someone is mentally
unstable to um if someone is mentally
unstable uh to stand trial yeah they
should be institutionalized I'm good
with that and I don't think anyone is
saying he should be physically harmed I
think we're saying this is probably
what's going to happen in prison
um based on things that we know about
the reality of being in prison and and
being there for harming a child um I
don't want anyone I'm not calling for
physical violence again against anyone
I'm just saying that like this is
typically what we've heard from people
who have been imprisoned from
Corrections Officers all this stuff is
on the record if you are charged with
certain crimes typically the other
inmates um don't treat you very well
shooting a six-year-old kid is typically
in that category I don't want anything
what I want for Robert Louis Singletary
I want him to be safe in jail I'm good
with protective solitary custody not
harmed at all and I want him to stand
trial I want him to stand trial and I
want him to spend the rest of his life
in jail that's what I want and I want
that life to be long okay that's what I
think he deserves um all right well
that's going to be our show for today so
next week I just want to kind of prep
everyone um I'm going to talk about the
Daniel Perry case so the Daniel Perry
case
um this was the one this was during the
the black lives matter protests in
Austin Daniel Perry shot someone as he
was in his car uh individual's name is
Garrett Foster who was holding an AK-47
so we're going to get into that case
because that case went to trial went to
court last week I've got a lot to say on
that case so if you have any thoughts
opinions on the Daniel Perry case
definitely come armed with them next
week because we're going to talk about
that and get into it Daylight
disinfecting good thank you so much I
really appreciate it the officer blue
gun YouTube Sergeant George Oliver
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