two good afternoon this is Daniel here
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we're going to get right into it so this
first case that we're gonna watch we're
going to talk about we're actually going
to play a video
um it's going to be a police officer
stopping another police officer on a
traffic stop um it doesn't go as planned
kind of goes off the rails we're going
to talk about it but first we are going
to play that body camera video of the
incident
got it all right
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you gonna pull over pull over
three one thirteen to three thirteen
what do you I am going into work my man
why are you trying to pull me over as
I'm going because you were going 80 in a
45 going into work okay where are you
going to look like I am dressed for what
does it look like I am dressed for my
name is Deputy Hilton and they see your
driver's license
okay
three one thirteen copy of 10.50
10-4 I got a city uh Orlando PD taking
off from a traffic stop uh it's gonna be
he's the guy
okay so that was video from Seminole
County Florida it was a Seminole County
Florida Deputy that got into it and
tried to stop in Orlando a city of
Orlando Police Officer so let's talk
about what happened here so so the
Seminole County Deputy he was running
radar on a what he calls a residential
street so the Trad the speed limit on
this street is 45 miles an hour and he
was able to clock the deputy clock the
Orlando city police officer traveling 80
miles an hour in a posted 45 mile an
hour zone now the Orlando city police
officer he didn't have any lights or
Sirens or anything on and what the
deputy decided to do is he decided that
he was going to initiate a traffic stop
on the Orlando city police officer so
what happened is is uh the or he
actually the deputy actually had to
travel approximately 100 miles an hour
in order to catch up to the Orlando city
police officer now once the deputy comes
up behind the police officer with lights
and Sirens at first the Orlando city
police officer doesn't stop because the
Orlando city police officer doesn't
think that he's being pulled over he's
not sure what this Deputy is doing
eventually as they come up to uh to a to
a stop sign the deputy pulls up next to
the Orlando city police officer and he
lets him know to stop that he is
conducting a traffic stop at that point
both the deputy and the Orlando city
police officer get out of the vehicle
and they have that exchange that you
just saw there
um you know it's essentially what
happened is you know the deputy tells
the officer that he's conducting a
traffic stop and the Orlando city police
officer he's not having it he thinks
this is absolutely ridiculous he says
can't you see that I'm on my way to work
that I'm in uniform like why are you
trying to stop me it was at that point
that the deputy he pretty much goes into
professional mode you know because he
knows that he's on body camera he
identifies himself who he is he tells
the deputy that he's it tells the
Orlando city police officer that he's
conducting a traffic stop and he asks
for his driver's license it's at that
point that the Orlando City Police
Officer says no gets in his car and
leaves the scene uh it was at that point
that the the Seminole County Deputy he
doesn't leave it there essentially what
he does is he calls it into dispatch
that the Orlando city police officer
left well I mean all of these cars are
are marked they have license plates so
it wasn't difficult for uh the dispatch
for internal affairs and and the
essentially the county the county
sheriff's office to get a hold of the
city of Orlando Police Department they
were able to find out who it was
um the officer was was uh essentially
relieved of Duty almost immediately and
there was an internal investigation So
Not only was there an internal
investigation from the the city of
Orlando Police side and the officer was
relieved a duty but also the the deputy
from Seminole County he issued a
criminal summons for a couple different
things uh what he he what he issued uh
what what he issued a criminal summons
for uh so the Orlando city police
officers facing charges of reckless
driving and eluding a law enforcement
officer now this is one of those cases
where you know who is in the right so
that's a reasonable question to ask and
you know I'd really like to see what
other people's opinions are on this
particular case because you know it
isn't normal that one police officer
Stops Another police officer but if we
go who was legally right well who is
legally right is the Deputy from
Seminole County was the one who was
legally correct here's why there is
essentially no exception in law that
police officers can speed 35 miles over
the speed limit typically most police
departments have policies internal
policies that would say that an officer
can travel you know maybe 10 or 15 miles
over the speed limit if there's an
emergency now obviously if there is a
real emergency police officers go faster
than that especially if someone's life
is on the line we know that happens
however most policies don't even allow
police officers to travel that fast so
also there is nothing in Florida state
law that would make it exempt or
prohibit that police officer from
stopping and cooperating with the
officer conducting the the traffic stop
so the officer saw a vehicle speeding he
conducted a traffic stop so essentially
in a situation like this the the Orlando
city police officer should have complied
so there is again there there is no
there's nothing in law that the deputy
did wrong now can we say that it's
strange yes I I would agree that it's
strange to do it's something that's not
typical
um in my almost two decades in working
as a police officer I've never seen this
happen I've never seen one police
officer stop another police officer
um just for speeding now I have seen
police officers who have been in marked
cars who were who had crashed their cars
or they were driving drunk or they were
weaving all over the side of the road
and they were arrested in their uniform
in their police car for drunk driving
things like that and we actually have a
couple different videos of that on our
Channel um if you want to go ahead and
check those out because those are
excellent body camera videos so so I'm
not talking about that I'm saying when a
traffic stop is just for speeding now
what a lot of people have said is like
well we know that the Orlando city of
police officer wasn't going to an
emergency because he didn't have his
lights and sirens on now that is
absolutely correct so it turns out that
the the Orlando city police officer it
seems like he was just late for work
because he was that's what he said that
he was going to work so
in a situation like this but in the
moment the deputy wouldn't have any idea
whether or not the officer was
responding to some kind of an emergency
because the county and the city are
going to be on different frequencies uh
different radio frequencies so it's
reasonable that the deputy would have no
idea if that officer was on the way to a
call to to a SWAT call had been called
out to some kind of emergency and in the
moment the deputy didn't care he wanted
to stop the officer for speeding and he
did and again he was legally correct to
do so and you know this actually isn't
the first time that this has happened in
Florida over the last couple years I've
seen several different videos of it
seems like it's always either County or
state stopping City police officers on
the way to work now of course police
officers shouldn't speed in their cars
on the way to work but a lot of people
speed in their cars on the way to work
and it seems like Florida is one of the
only states where this has happened or
at least it's been it's been publicized
in the media where this happens
um also I should say that also the the
state of Georgia has also had city and
county officers get into it on this
particular issue
um you know I just have to say that you
know it's it's if police officers are
and no no one is above the law but if
police officers are spending their their
entire shift stopping each other for
different traffic violations a crime
must not be that High
um so let's go out there's also cases
where you have a California Highway
Patrol arrested a firefighter on the
scene so this kind of stuff does happen
sometimes let's see what some of your
thoughts are on this case so officer
blue gun says any authorized emergency
vehicle while enroute to meet an
existing emergency shell warn all other
vehicle traffic along with the emergency
vehicle by an audible siren or visible
signal use of displayed red or blue
lights officer blue gun I agree so if
this Deputy one that's per Florida loss
so if the if the Orlando city police
officer was going to an emergency was
going to some type of call for service
that he had to get there quick he would
have had his his lights and sirens on
and you know what he should have had his
lights and sirens on now of course the
problem with this is that he wasn't
going to an emergency so you can imagine
a situation where a police officer is
running lights and Sirens when they're
not going to an emergency that's
obviously a problematic thing so you
know when it comes to legally I don't
want anyone to misinterpret what I'm
saying when it comes to legally the
County Deputy had every legal right to
conduct a traffic stop and he did
everything legally and the Orlando city
police officer should have complied with
the traffic stop he should have taken
his traffic ticket because he was
relieved of Duty he was terminated from
the Orlando Police Department and now he
is um also facing charges of reckless
driving and
um uh failing to stop for or eluding a
police officer now a lot of people are
saying how do you get reckless driving
out of this like this doesn't make any
sense well in a lot of States reckless
driving so reckless driving typically
has a couple different elements one of
the elements for reckless driving in a
lot of states is if your traveling 30
miles above the posted speed limit that
is per se technically reckless driving
so you know doing 80 and a 45 would
qualify for that so I know what a lot of
people are going to say maybe not in
this case but in other cases they would
say well hang on hang on so so this
police officer was traveling 80 miles an
hour in a 45 mile an hour Zone we
consider that Reckless we consider that
criminal well the officer stopping him
actually had to travel 100 miles an hour
on that same stretch of road to even
catch him so if the one officer is
reckless how is the other officer not
Reckless so I get that argument being
made but it's just it's one of those
things where so so I I guess could the
could the Orlando city police officer if
he saw the if he saw the other car
coming up behind him the deputy coming
up behind him at 100 miles an hour could
he have then initiated a traffic stop on
him because he was actually doing 100 in
a 45 yes so I think you see how Petty
this can get so even though it was legal
for the deputy to do in in Legally the
deputy did everything right and the
Orlando city police officer did
everything wrong was it really the right
thing to do is this how we want our
taxpayer money going police officers
stopping each other I'm just not sure I
think that's a different question that
we should talk about other than who was
legally correct because again I don't
want to be confused the deputy was
legally correct all right any other
comments on this thing let's see
Sergeant George says who would have
guessed that there was some personal
animosity between the Seminole County
Sheriff's deputy and the Orlando city
police officer I don't know if there was
anything personal I mean if a vehicle is
coming up at 80 miles an hour it's
likely that that the deputy wasn't even
able to see who was who was in the car
unless Sergeant George you have other
information that I don't have officer
blue gun says I heard there were citizen
complaints the sheriff's department
about a mark City uh speeding which led
to the deputy going that day and setting
up looking for him yep that could
absolutely be officer blue gun says yes
I want police officers who are putting
the public in danger pulled over
ticketed and or arrested yeah I mean I I
I get that officer blue gun like I said
there's been so many times when I've
been driving around in a market patrol
car and other in other police officers
from other agencies are just are just
flying by me and a lot of the time so my
first thought would be okay they're
going to some kind of call they're going
to some kind of a SWAT call they're
going to and a lot of times police
officers don't always have their lights
and Sirens engaged now again we can say
that definitely they should they they
absolutely should have it but we know
that's not the case so um as a police
officer stopping every other officer
who's speeding that even if it's even if
it's going that fast again that that
really wouldn't be a good use of
resources I I could never imagine doing
that Steve says uh when everything cools
down uh he will be rehired and rewarded
with back pay we'll probably not Steve I
I don't think so I think I think this is
a pretty clear
um a violation of policy so Steve what
we have to look for when officers are
fired and whether or not they get their
jobs back we have to think did they
violate the law and also did they
violate power policy so did he violate
the law well it's pretty clear he did
violate the law by speeding and also by
um uh by speeding and also going to uh
also fleeing also fleeing from the
officer and it's actually on video so
there's really no question that he
violated the law and then second is that
a violation of Department policy well it
it likely is a violation of the
apartment policy uh the speeding the the
fleeing the he probably didn't let his
chain of command know that happen so so
my guess is that the the or the the city
of Orlando pretty much has an airtight
case on on the firing um now what I
could see happening Steve is there are a
lot of police departments around the
country that are short dozens to
hundreds of police officers so when you
have when you have anti-police Maniacs
who basically make it so difficult for
police officers to do their jobs no one
wants to be a cop and when no one wants
to be a cop the few cops who are left
are more valuable so what I could see
happening Steve is that this officer
does get hired by a different agency who
is you know 15 20 30 40 150 officers
short and just needs people to answer
9-1-1 calls and this guy's certified
he's sorry he did his time all that kind
of so I could see this officer getting
hired with a different police agency
after a period of time however I think
the firing in my opinion my guess is
that the city of Orlando probably has an
airtight case and if I was that police
officer I probably wouldn't try to get
my job back with Orlando Police
Department what I would try to do is I
would try to do everything possible to
show that I was sorry that I didn't do
it I would cooperate with whatever Court
sentence I got I would admit guilt tried
to go to counseling rehabilitate
whatever that officer needs to do and
then a year from now try to get hired
somewhere else that's what I would do if
I were that officer or if I was that
officers if I was the the union rep or
the or the attorney representing the
officer that would be my advice um also
okay Sergeant George says I mean no
doubt the Seminole County Sheriff's
deputy handled the situation correctly
but the Orlando city police officer was
the one in the wrong uh a hundred
percent Sergeant George yeah I can't say
it enough the legally speaking the
Deputy did everything correct and the
Orlando city police officer did
everything wrong and I think the Orlando
the city of Orlando does have an
airtight case firing that officer that
was probably they probably didn't have
any choice but to fire him
um and you know my guess is maybe he
could get picked up somewhere else one
more from Steve says an officer in San
Antonio beat up a handcuffed pregnant
woman and was rehired and rewarded with
back pay uh I mean hey Steve if you
could go ahead and put the name or send
a link in there I'll look into it um uh
I mean there really isn't anything I can
I can say about that because my guess is
that if if a judge or a court ordered um
the officer to be hired and rewarded
with back pay there's more to that story
than you are leading on um all right so
we're going to go into the next story
which we also have a video for and this
one is crazy so this one happened in
Loveland Colorado in on May 21st this is
a case where an officer is spit at in
the face and his reaction to getting
spit in the face is uh maybe what you
would expect from someone who gets spit
at in the face so we're going to go
ahead and play that body camera video
right now
okay
walking the logs and you're asking
Angelia you don't [ __ ] speak for me
you mark Gerardo [ __ ] piece of [ __ ]
okay let's watch this
I will not tolerate that language well I
will tell you I'm not tolerating that I
can't walk down the street
hey [ __ ] give it back to me
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I can have it why can't I have a piece
of paper then [ __ ] take my pants off
too take my shirt off give me my piece
of paper why can't I have it
they [ __ ] took a piece of paper right
out of my hands [ __ ] [ __ ] you too
[ __ ] can't even [ __ ] took a piece
of paper right out of my ass just
instigating me [ __ ] Authority [ __ ]
[ __ ] ass wife
can you speak to me then if you don't
like him
don't spit oh [ __ ] hey
all right so that was video from
Loveland Colorado on May 21st so let me
so I let me back that up just a little
bit here so there was a call for service
about a woman walking in traffic and
speaking incoherently so it's reasonable
that the police officers were called to
that call police officers arrived on
scene and they contacted an individual
named Angelia Hall once they had contact
with Angelia Hall they basically saw
exactly what the callers had said about
this so essentially what they saw is
that a woman who was incoherent who's
walking in and out of traffic so it was
at that point that the police officers
in my opinion and definitely tell me if
you think I'm wrong the police officered
the right thing and they put her into
protective custody so let me talk about
that just a little bit so Most states do
have protective custody um that they are
able to do and what that means is that
if that is an individual who maybe
hasn't committed a crime or maybe if
they have committed a crime but instead
of going down the route of or going
through the the channel or the vehicle
of criminal charge going to jail a
police officer makes a decision you know
what what this person really needs is
mental health help this person needs
help they right now going to jail isn't
the main thing that's important so most
especially Progressive police
departments encourage police officers to
do this so a lot of people say well you
know you can't you can't do this you're
taking away your freedom they had no
right to take away her Freedom well
again this is kind of a diversion
instead of going to jail and essentially
what is needed in Most states is if an
individual is either an active threat to
themselves an active threat to someone
else or grave passive neglect where in
all a person basically can't take care
of themselves so so the so in a
situation like this where someone is
incoherent and walking into traffic
that's obviously a situation where
they're not safe for themselves so they
are an absolute danger to themselves so
the idea of police officers putting her
in protective custody essentially taking
away her freedom and taking her I think
they call in California a a 5150 so
that's a common thing thing that you
hear all the time so so it it's not an
unreasonable thing for police officers
to do and a lot of times there are
actually state laws and department
policies where they tell police officers
hey if you see this happen you don't
have a choice you have to act in fact
you have a duty to act so I'm just
trying trying to get to the point let
everybody know exactly why Miss Hall was
in police custody so at this point she
wasn't under arrest she wasn't going to
jail but police officers put her in the
into custody and essentially were taking
her for a mental health evaluation a lot
of times with a mental health evaluation
there first has to be medically cleared
so an individual has to be medically
cleared kind of triaged and then and
then they are able to speak with a
mental health professional kind of to
see how they are doing see if there's
anything that can be done to help them
so so again this was so once they're at
the hospital you saw what happened there
Miss Hall and police officer Russell
maritano
um were at the hospital essentially
looked like it was kind of during that
triage phase Not only was Miss Hall
verbally abusive to the police officers
with police officers are used to not a
big deal but but she was also verbally
abusive to the medical staff you know a
lot of the times in situations like this
nurses doctors you know techs people
people who are in the medical field who
work in the ER are kind of used to it
because a lot of the people who come
into the ER are in situations like this
where they're still kind of in crisis so
um but for whatever reason the nurse who
is speaking with Miss Hall basically
said that she wasn't going to tolerate
the behavior she wasn't going to
tolerate the language and at one point
the nurse actually left the room and she
said that she was gonna she was gonna
refuse she was gonna refuse to basically
deal or help Miss Hall until she calmed
down and stop being so verbally abusive
in fact the quote from the nurses she
said I will not tolerate this and she
left the groom during this time also the
police officer realized and again I
don't know why the officer didn't
realize this before that's a different
training issue but at this point the
police officer realized that Miss Hall
had something in her hand now in a
situation like this where someone is in
custody it's not unreasonable for police
officers to make sure they don't have
anything on them anything in their
pockets anything in their hands so you
know that's a reasonable thing for a
police officer to do now there are of
course when it comes to Crisis
Intervention when you have someone who
you know is you know for lack of a
better term kind of out of their mind or
in crisis of course there could be
better ways to do it the the officer
could have said hey I see you have
something in your hand would you mind
telling me what it is would you mind if
I take it and put it over here hey can I
take this from you and put it in with
your property so that it's safe that you
can get it here in a little bit so
um instead of doing that and again I I
get I get I get it I'm going 20 20
hindsight but these are things that all
police officers pretty much learn in
Crisis Intervention training when
dealing with someone who is in inactive
Mental Health crisis but the officer
didn't do that the officer basically
just went to the went to her hands which
were behind her back and grabbed away
and and grabbed the piece of paper from
her hand and now at this point all of
the all of the anger instead of it being
towards who knows what all of the anger
from Miss Hall went towards the police
officer because he took the piece of
paper from her and she did a couple
things she started spitting on the floor
she started started to stand up she
tried to walk away from the police
officer she also used her knee and she
kind of knead at the police officer and
what she was mad about was the piece of
paper so again I know this is 2020
hindsight but I think we have to have
these conversations and because we know
that these are the kinds of
conversations that not only mental
health professionals but mental health
professionals who train police
departments and trained police officers
coming up with different strategies in
order to avoid use of force and to
basically make sure all of these
situations end as peacefully as possible
we know that they are having these
conversations so it's not unreasonable
to think about so at this point the the
police officer who took the piece of
paper from her is it really that big of
a deal to give her the piece of paper
back I'm just asking that question and
definitely put in the comments if you
think I'm wrong right track a wrong
track on this would it have been that
big of a deal to just give her the piece
of paper back to let her hold it
especially if it would have made it so
so she wasn't screaming and yelling and
it just seems like she was just hyper
focused on on that piece of paper and uh
you know and I just think it's important
to say that I've done the research on
this and the stats of police officers
getting killed by a piece of paper are
actually really low not zero but really
low and I think that's something that
everybody should think about so um
during this while she's she's really
just screaming and yelling she knees at
the police officer she spits on the
floor it was at that point that she
spits in the police officer's face once
she spits in the police officer's face
he almost immediately pretty much like
it was a reflex he used his right hand
and he kind of gave her a weak punch I
say a weak punch because any young adult
man or woman to that effect who really
wanted to punch someone in the face and
knock them out from that close probably
could alright so the officer you know
pretty much gave her a weak punch in the
face immediately stood her up and pretty
much you know did what you would think
someone would do and what they what he
did is he basically faced her face away
from him so he he wasn't able to do it
anymore now here's what happened with
this so um both Miss Hall and officer
Americano were charged with third degree
assault which is a misdemeanor so they
were both charged with with the same
with the same thing the police officer
during an internal investigation when
asked what happened he said you know she
spit on me and in the moment I just
tried to get I just tried to get her I
just tried to get her face away from me
and I ended up hitting her a little hard
um so my question is is that well let me
tell you what happened to this police
officer and he was fired he was fired
from his job and again he was charged
with third degree assault so now we have
to think was that a reasonable outcome
in this case and here's what I want you
to think about so is getting and I think
that the important question to ask is is
getting spitted in the face is a normal
reaction to that getting spitted in the
face you take your hand or whatever you
have and you push the person's face away
is that a normal natural reaction here's
my opinion on this if what the officer
did was a reflex was just a normal
natural human reaction could that be
against policy sure but is that illegal
no is that worth the police officer
getting fired absolutely not if it's a
normal reaction now what I'm gonna say
is if she spits in his face and he
stands there and he stews on it and he
gets mad and two three four ten seconds
go by and then he smacks her in the face
yes I would agree I would agree that
that is you are not in the space where
that is a normal human reaction that is
not like a reflex just to try to make
sure the individual doesn't spit at you
in the face again that is probably worth
the officer at least if not fired
there's gonna be some pretty severe
discipline and does that even go into
the realm of criminal well I'm gonna say
yeah that's probably not a proportional
level of force I I would agree on that
but in the moment if you get spit on in
the face the idea is that your natural
human reaction in that millisecond is
you're gonna push the person's face away
from you so they can't do it again I'm
gonna say that's a normal human reaction
and and here's what I found on this so I
did a video on Tick Tock that I put up
the other day on this and you know
here's what I found and here's what I
think is interesting it's the opinions
of people pretty much are divided by
whether or not you've been spit on in
the face that's pretty much where this
goes on people who've been spitted in
the face every single person says yeah
this is a normal reaction and other
people who have had the luxury of never
being spitted in the face they say well
that's not a normal reaction the officer
should have should have had some better
restraint officers are trained listen if
it's a normal human reaction there is
zero training that you can employ that
would stop an instantaneous normal
reflex human reaction you cannot train
for that that's my opinion on it let's
see what you guys say about this case uh
dragon Zone says he should do it again
uh I I'll take that as the joke Dragon
Zone that he should do it again um
because again I I think anything in the
realm of normal human reflexive reaction
I'm gonna say the officer shouldn't get
in trouble for certainly not fired
terminated but no once the threat is
over and she's no longer spitting at you
in the face you can't hit the person
anymore so I would not agree with that
at all though I think what you said is
the joke Dragon Zone oh let's see uh
Stan uh Stan the Man says cops have to
be above learn Anger Management San um
I'm I'm gonna say I agree with that in
principle but again if someone spits at
you in the face and your normal human
reaction is to just use your hand and
just push their face away or punch their
face away is that unreasonable I'm gonna
say no uh let's see uh someone says
police need to maintain control okay I
get it I don't know how you could
control a reflex officer blue gun said
that's crazy it was a natural reflex I
agree with you officer blue gun uh Dan
says IMO that was a proportional level
of force to stop spinning grew with you
100 Steve says immature kids uh never
should be hired to work in law
enforcement oh okay again I'm guessing
Steve has the privilege of never been
being spitted in the face and enjoy that
privilege and luxury uh Sergeant George
says that exactly why police departments
have signed that say leave your personal
feelings at the door Sergeant George I
again to me it's a reflex uh dragon says
that she wasn't injured she was a threat
and forces understandable agree uh blue
gun says uh let's see a reply to
Sergeant George cops are humans um it's
impossible to block your personal
feelings cops aren't robots agree uh
let's see uh spinning on someone is
assault so technically it was defense I
agree dragon's own I agree that's
exactly what I'm saying again again if
he had waited four five six seconds and
just kind of stood there stewing and
then clocked her in the face I would say
no that's not self-defense that would be
an unreasonable use of force against
apartment policy and also probably
illegal not the case here James echo
says this is the best comment a better
idea is don't spit at the police because
if you don't because here's the thing
about this if you don't spit at a police
officer then this kind of stuff doesn't
happen so let's see uh Sharon says uh
I'm late I enjoy your Vlog thank you so
much Sharon Kenny says I'd like to see
what would happen if some of these
people get spitted in their face how'd
they'd act thank you Kenny that's
exactly what I'm saying and like I said
the video I did on Tick Tock about this
over at police law news pretty much I
got hundreds of comments on it I think
even thousands of comments and and
basically you know if you've been
spitted in the face like 100 of people
say yeah this is a pretty normal
reaction to that and again people who
have the luxury of never being spitted
in the face those are the ones who are
saying uh the officer shouldn't have
retaliated in any way and just let just
you know stand there and get spitted in
the face again they need to be above
that which is again it's an unreasonable
expectation from a human uh let's see
officer blue gun says uh not enough
people have been punched in the face
Sergeant George but all in all the
police officer had the right to react to
the spitting I agree lethargic Visions
also says uh facts as well
um yeah so uh yeah I I just want to say
you know that's uh that is uh that was
an interesting case that I saw again I
don't I don't think that the police
officer should have been fired hopefully
the officer hopefully this so hopefully
this will go to court and here's where I
see this going so again both the officer
and Miss Hall were charged with the same
exact crime third degree assault so
um you know what what I think
um you know what I think uh would what I
think is is reasonable what happened
would happen in in a case like this is
if this goes to court if this actually
goes to court and if she's found guilty
which it seems like she would be if the
officer is able to somehow get found not
guilty I think if that's a case where he
might be able to be picked up and hired
by a different Police Department maybe
even sue for his job back now I think an
important question to ask is okay what
should the officer done in a situation
like this so what what should the
officer do in a situation like this if
you are a police leader if you are
training police officers how do you
train them in situations like this so I
think the only thing that you can say is
if you are spitted in the face and again
especially when it comes to you know
when it comes to all kinds of diseases
that can be communicated through spit
and and saliva you know the the woman
could have could have coveted there
could be all these different things that
they could have hepatitis they could all
these things so being spit out in the
face again it's not just something that
is you know gross or disgusting but it's
something that you know could really
cause injury to someone if someone
spitting has some kind of disease that
can be that can be um that can be
transmitted that way so again the idea
that a police officer just has to deal
with it well I'm that's that that's
[ __ ] that's absolutely a a
ridiculous thing to say so what should a
police officer do in a situation like
that here's my opinion here's what a
police officer should do police officers
just like in all cases should only
utilize force that is within the balance
of the Constitution and with it which is
in the balance of their particular
Police Department policy which is
typically Graham versus Conor so Graham
versus Conor and then police force if
possible should be reasonable minimal
and proportional okay so what's the
minimal and proportional amount of force
that you could use in order to get
someone to stop spitting at you what you
would want is to basically get the
person's head away from you as quickly
as possible no you don't want to smack
him in the head with with the Baton but
if you have an open hand that's all you
have the idea of as soon as the spit has
been spit on you pushing the head
punching the head somehow moving the
head away from your face as quickly as
possible that seems like the reasonable
thing for police officers to do and
again I'm just going to reiterate if
it's a reflex if it's in the moment the
quicker it is to the actual spitting the
more reasonable it is as I've said
multiple times on this uh talking about
this if the officer Waits two four ten
seconds stews on it and then clocks her
in the face the longer it goes the more
unreasonable it is and the more likely
it is that it's a violation of police
department policy and a violation of the
law and all use of force from police
officers should be in compliance with
their Department policy and with
applicable law all right uh Stan the Man
says uh spit sock yes they they should
put a spit sock on her again to talk to
look at this uh under 2020 hindsight so
Miss Hall did spit on the floor before
she spit at the police officer so it's
at that point should the officer have
been thinking hey do we have a spit sock
so once you spit one time
um as long as you're not outside
spitting on the ground of of course that
would be unreasonable but if you're
inside somewhere and someone spits on
the floor putting a spit sock on the
individual which is basically kind of
like a nylon mask
um that you put on someone where if they
spit it basically just gets hung up in
the mask and gets on their face and
they're the only ones who have to deal
with their own
disgusting Behavior so they probably
should have put a spit sock on her as
soon as she spit on the floor the first
time
um but again the officers officers
typically don't carry spit socks in
their pocket so it's one of those things
that spitsock if he had one it would
probably be in his police vehicle so
sending another officer out to his car
to bring it in I mean that kind of
situation could take Take 5 10 15
minutes depending upon the hospitals and
if you look at you know when when the
amount of time from her spitting on the
floor to spitting on the officer there's
about a 60 second difference so you know
there probably wouldn't have even have
been time to put one on her at that
point officer blue gun says I always
carry a spit sock officer blue gun that
is uh that is a great thing to do I can
say in uh 15 years on patrol in uniform
on the street I never once carried a
spit sock on my person they were always
always in my car and um but that is and
that is an uh an absolute thing
says that he keeps one by his bed that
is that is funny absolutely uh one more
from Sergeant George uh let's see a push
the woman's face away uh and and duck
before she spits absolutely
um uh let's see um uh let's see
and um yeah I want to say in in again in
15 years of of being on patrol um in
uniform
um I I want to say that you know it's
not that often that you actually have to
put a spit sock on someone I would say
probably a couple times a year um you
know I I worked in a in a pretty large
city of of you know a half a million
people a thousand cops so um a decently
big city and and I want to say you know
maybe one two maybe three times a year
you have to put a spit sock on someone
or I was in situations where I was
primary and I and I had to put a spit
sock on someone so again it isn't it
isn't often um again as a police officer
working in the field I was actually spit
on in the face one time so I arrested
somewhere somewhere in the neighborhood
of 3 000 people and I had one person
spit in my face and um yeah it's not fun
it is not it is not any fun uh it's one
of those things that when you don't see
it until until it's happening it's like
in slow motion and you can't do anything
to stop it and it is absolutely
infuriating all right so next case that
I want to talk about is a little bit of
an update we have two other
um two other cases that we're going to
end with that are actually happened this
this week so definitely definitely stay
tuned for that but um I just want to
give an update on the Daniel Penny case
um as I said Daniel penny is the is the
Marine in New York City who um uh Daniel
penny is the Marine who uh put uh uh uh
Jordan Neely in a choke hold on a Subway
in New York city so he was uh he was
initially arrested on second degree
manslaughter
um and this past week or about a week
and a half ago a grand jury indicted
Daniel Penny uh so the exact charges
that he was indicted on aren't known so
essentially the indictment is going to
be sealed um until his court date which
is June 28th so we'll give an update
then um I just want to say that even
even during some of these Court
proceedings the district attorney the
D.A even said during the initial court
appearance that several witness stated
that Jordan Neely was making threats so
it's one of those things where you have
a lot of people on social media saying
things like Jordan Neely that he's just
a Michael Jackson impersonator he wasn't
threatening anyone this never should
have happened well well again we can we
can say whether or not the amount of
force was appropriate we can have that
debate we can have the debate on whether
or not um uh uh Daniel Penny did the
move the the choke hold whether he did
it correctly we can have those debate
it's absolutely but what we shouldn't
debate are facts and when you have the
D.A who is the one filing the charges
admitting and saying Hey listen there
were several different Witnesses who
said that Jordan Neely was threatening
people it's weird and dishonest to say
that Jordan Neely wasn't threatening
anyone so he clearly was um Daniel Penny
actually did do an interview and here's
what the biggest thing I got from his
interview where he was very clear on the
three different things that Jordan Neely
was saying before he was subdued by not
just Daniel Penny but two other people
here are the three things that he was
saying um according to Daniel Penny
which is is should be backed up by a
whole bunch of other different Witnesses
here are the things Jordan Neely was
saying you tell me if you think that
this was a threat or not I am going
here's what he was saying to individuals
on the subway going up to women and
children screaming in their faces I am
going to kill you I am preparing to go
to jail for life I am going to die well
you know when you say you're going to
kill someone to me that means means
you're going to kill someone if you say
that you're prepared to go to jail for
Life how many crimes can someone commit
where you go to jail for life well
murder is just about the only one and
then I am going to die so saying those
things
um and screaming in the faces of women
and children any reasonable person would
think that this guy is a threat and and
I I just want to say here's the
barometer on this case okay here's how I
want here's how I think about this case
not necessarily how you have to think
about this case but here's how I think
about this case so I ask myself the
question look at the George Floyd case
how many people how many normal average
regular bystanders on on the George
Floyd case we're watching the police
officers on top of George Floyd were
reasonably yelling and screaming at the
police officers to get off of George
Floyd there was at least 10 of them and
very reasonably people were screaming
when they saw what the police officers
were due we were doing now look at the
Daniel Penny case ask yourself the
question how many normal average
bystanders were screaming at Daniel
Penny to let go of Jordan Neely zero
absolutely none none in fact two other
individuals one of them an
African-American Man actually helped
Daniel Penny to keep Jordan Neely under
control that's the barometer and that's
how everyone should look at this case
because every parent thinking about this
case every single parent who's out there
who has a young child especially a young
daughter on the New York City subway
hopes and prays that there is someone
like Daniel Penny on their subway car no
one is hoping that a loved one is on a
subway car with someone like Jordan
Neely and that is a fact all right so
the next case that I want to talk about
so this happened in Louisville Kentucky
and um you know I again I do videos on
Tick Tock just about daily and I posted
this one it actually did really good I
got a lot of I got a lot of views on on
this one in the last couple of days and
and you know I have never seen so many
people comment [ __ ] around and find find
out as I did on this video and that's
the thing that people say but I'm not
exaggerating thousands of people um
typed in fafo after they watched this
video so here's what happened so this
happened in Louisville Kentucky I know I
didn't say Louisville correctly I get it
but Louisville Kentucky on June 19th of
this past year so what happened is that
there were some undercover police
officers an undercover police officers
were in plain clothes and they were in
an unmarked vehicle um they were
essentially doing surveillance so what
they were doing surveillance for in this
neighborhood is they were looking for
someone who was involved in a shooting
so essentially they were doing
surveillance looking for a shooting
suspect as these were detectives who
were um you know in a violent crime unit
so while they were while they were doing
uh doing surveillance did they were
parked in an alley an individual 21 year
old named Mark Jaggers Jr he approached
the car and the testimony from the
police officers is that Mark Jagger's Jr
approached the unmarked police car and
tried to carjack the two police officers
at gunpoint and well I mean you could
kind of predict where the story goes
from here because shockingly the two
undercover police officers did not allow
themselves to be carjacked by a violent
Maniac one of the police officers fired
his weapon and the 21 year old offender
Mark Jaggers Jr he was killed um he died
from his injuries um his father Mark
Jagger senior well he had a different
take on this case he had a different
take on this case he said that he knows
his son and he said a couple things and
he said this in the media so the father
said that the that his son didn't know
that there was anyone in the car that
his son wasn't trying to carjack anyone
that he was only trying to steal the car
that he thought it was a quote a dumped
car that he thought it was a stolen car
that had been dumped there and he just
wanted to go get in the car steal it
himself and go for a joyride and that he
had no idea that there was anybody
inside that car
um and that he wasn't trying to carjack
anyone that's the father's excuse so a
couple things on that um first of all
how do you know so was there any kind of
a conversation also the father said that
hey that car had been sitting there
standing still for three hours before
his son went went to went to went to try
to Joyride in this supposedly dumped
stolen vehicle so a couple things so it
seems like since you know Mark Jagger's
Jr died so it seems like there was some
kind of a conversation that Junior and
senior had before this juror ride was
going to take place so I'm just curious
was the father there watching this car
with him was was there any kind of a
plan to do this it just it just seems
strange that he would know all of these
facts about this case um also if you are
just going to steal a car
um that you think is unoccupied yeah you
don't have to do it at gunpoint so um
there hasn't been any body camera video
that's been released yet but this is
what um the police department is saying
um again we don't always have to believe
the police department but here's what I
would submit if the police department
tells you what happened and then later
on their surveillance video or this body
camera video that shows that what the
police officers did is not in line with
what they said that Police Department
that police chief that mayor whoever is
responsible for that statement not only
are they going to get all kinds of heat
they're probably going to be terminated
so what whenever a police department
gives very specific information publicly
in the media I tend to believe what they
say and again here's why because the
consequences if they're wrong or if
they're lying the consequences are
probably that the police chief loses
their job so here's what I'm saying my
guess is that a police chief is not
going to say something in the news that
is an outright lie especially on the use
of force case of an officer-involved
shooting that a police chief is not
going to outright lie about what the
police officers did knowing that their
surveillance video that is immediately
going to say something different now of
course I can be wrong but I'm just
saying that there is there is a lot
riding on it if the police chief is is
is lying or is incorrect about this so
so I tend to believe that's probably
probably what happened let's see if we
have any comments on this officer blue
gun says uh oh he thought it was an
occupied great to carry on Sir the cops
are obviously wrong exactly Alabama says
Alabama man if it's not yours assume it
belongs to someone else Alabama man
you're making way too much sense uh
let's see uh Steve Ladner had a Derek
chovin comment Officer blugen says uh uh
I know I know I you know what um officer
blue gun and Steve ladder you know um
the the the the case of the case of
Derek Chauvin
um when I say that Derek Chauvin that I
don't have any sympathy for him now I
don't think he got a fair trial um but
did he use excessive force that in some
way contributed to George Floyd's death
yes how much did Derek Chauvin um how
much were his actions causing of the
death I don't know I mean the the three
and a half times the lethal level of
fentanyl probably had something to do
with it the hard problems are covet but
did Derek Chauvin use excessive force
yes did did someone die while that
excessive force was being used yes was
there any attempt to kill George Floyd
no of course not should he have gotten
21 years in jail of course not should
the case have been heard in Minneapolis
no of course not but yeah but but did he
do something incorrect yeah so that's
kind of where I am in that case uh
dragon Zone says he's an evil man uh
yeah okay so we got more and more on
Derek Chauvin
um but anyway so this is uh this is the
case um uh where you know I think it's
pretty uh reasonable the police officers
did the right thing
um and also in in line with what I said
with what with what the father said um
is that he knows this far effect so
again how could the Father know this
stuff the thought process of his son for
a fact unless there was some
conversation beforehand so
um yeah that's that's one of those
that's one of those things
um uh that is is it just seems like this
was this was this is the kind of thing
that happens when you try to steal a car
that isn't yours this is one of those
things and I'm just going to say this
very simply if you just have it
ingrained in your DNA to not steal cars
this kind of stuff doesn't happen I mean
that might be too simplistic but I think
that's I think that's reasonable one
last thing on this case so the other
individual that they were looking for
the initial offender or suspect of the
initial shooting um after this happened
the initial suspect uh the shooting
suspect did actually turn himself into
police so it seems like this case was a
win-win all around round all right so
the last case that we're going to talk
about and I actually just saw this in
the news over the last couple days and
this is a this is a really really really
strange case and this is another one
that's out of Colorado that's out of
Otero County Colorado it happened on
June 20th so it happened very recently
and yeah this is strange so after I talk
about after I talk about this case I'm
going to tell a story where I had kind
of something when I had kind of
something uh not similar but but I kind
of dealt with someone who maybe had some
of the same skills that so I'm going to
tell a story here at the end of this
case so this happened in Otero County
Colorado on June 20th of 23. so what
happened in this case is that there was
a shots fired call in Otero County
that's pretty much in eastern Colorado
so there was a shots fired call that
Otero County deputies were sent to
police officers go to the shots fire
call the the suspect or the offender
left in a vehicle police officers tried
to stop the vehicle and the vehicle the
the driver of that vehicle decided that
he didn't want to stop for a police
officers so they engage AIDS in a Chase
now we've talked about police chases
before and you know if it's for uh if
it's for speeding or misdemeanor traffic
a lot of times police officers per
policy or law don't chase however when
you have someone who's shooting from a
vehicle a shooting suspect yeah that's
the kind of thing that police officers
are going to chase for and they probably
should so during this chase the driver
drove in a reckless manner what I mean
by that is he actually was driving on
the highway he drunk or drove on the
wrong side of the highway drove on the
wrong side of the highway and he
actually caused multiple different
crashes it was at that point the Otero
County sheriff's deputies they actually
called in the Colorado State Troopers
for some backup good thing Colorado
State Troopers get on scene they use a
pit maneuver that's essentially a
maneuver where a police officer uses the
very front of their car and they kind of
they kind of um they kind of you they
kind of strike softly or or swiftly
um the the back corner panel of the
offender vehicle the car kind of spins
around and you know you're able to
disable it that way so but Colorado
State Troopers did a pit maneuver got
the vehicle to stop got the got the
driver into custody so now we have the
driver in custody he's in the back seat
of a Colorado State Trooper vehicle
somehow he was able to get out of the
back seat and get into the driver's seat
of the Colorado Police Colorado State
Police Trooper vehicle and you can guess
what happens next he takes off so now
this guy is taking off driving a fleeing
in a in a fully marked
and they fully marked Colorado State
Trooper vehicle it was at that point
that it was at that point that um it was
at that point that um uh police officers
did have spike strips um what they did
with the spikes driven and basically
spike strips are something that police
officers put on the road a car car goes
over it and car goes over and it
disables the tires now you can imagine
driving you know if you're driving 15
miles an hour and you run over spike
strips and it disables the tires it's
probably not that big of a deal now
imagine if you're going 80 miles an hour
like the Orlando uh like the deputy in
Orlando so imagine if you're going 80
miles an hour and all of a sudden your
tires are are disabled and damaged as
you're driving well anyone could lose
control of a car so the faster someone's
going once spike strips are put out the
faster that someone is traveling
obviously the more danger it is for
really everyone involved but when you
have someone who steals a police car
there could be a rifle on the police car
they have access to the police radio
it's reasonable that you're going to do
police officers are going to do just
about everything
and just about everything they can to
stop that car so police office the guy
was going really fast in the Colorado
State Trooper vehicle police officer
utilized spike strips almost immediately
after those spike strips were
um did strike the vehicle that uh the
car lost control and actually uh crashed
into a semi truck that was parked on the
side of the road
um first things first the driver who is
inside the semi truck was fine he was
uninjured that is important how the
driver of the vehicle of the Colorado
State Trooper car who had stolen the
offender he was basically you know all
messed up inside the car police officers
firefighters um they basically used the
jaws of life to get this guy out to
extract him from the vehicle however he
did die he did die at the hospital
um so you know kind of like we said
those last two cases were two cases of
[ __ ] around and find out
um uh where police were police officers
be beat the bad guys bad guys lost in
those cases um so so that's what
happened there and it's it's pretty it's
pretty strange now here's my prediction
on this case is that the fam is going to
sue the police department and there's
probably some kind of settlement and
even though the police officers didn't
do anything wrong taxpayers are going to
end up paying millions of dollars for
this case uh curious to see what anyone
says about this case so James echo says
uh man that must really suck every time
your Cruiser gets checked yeah James uh
I I would I would imagine so Alabama
says uh have you covered the story of a
Colorado man that retrieved his own
stolen car and shot a 12 year old
suspect uh not yet I haven't covered
that one yet Alabama maybe next week um
but so so I'm going to end this so so
that was that case and a reasonable
question that that people should be
asking is if someone is in the back seat
of a police vehicle and they're
handcuffed behind their back how is it
even possible that they are able to one
get out of handcuffs exit the car and
then get into the driver's seat of a
police car where were the police
officers when this happened so one of
the things that police departments
typically have policies on is that if
you have someone a suspect in the back
seat of your car even if you're even if
you're out of the car even if you're out
of the car and you're talking to the tow
truck driver or you're talking to
another officer about the case you at
least have to have your car in sight so
a couple things you don't want the
individual because the once someone's in
custody even if they're a bad guy
they're your responsibility so you have
to make sure not only that you know that
they get charged but you have to but
your safety their safety is your
responsibility as a police officer as it
should be so that's one of the reasons
why police officers have to at least
maintain a visual on their car even if
they're standing 10 15 20 feet away
again talking to an investigator picking
up evidence or who knows what they have
to at least keep a visual on the vehicle
not only to make sure that the suspect
is safe but one so they can see what's
happening so they can see if the suspect
is trying to exit the car if the suspect
is trying to get into the into the
driver's seat of a car of the of the
police car so so it's so we have to ask
ourselves how did this happen so so the
Colorado State Troopers how in the world
did this happen how did the individual
get out of the car so here's the only
thing so we don't have any body camera
footage or dash cam footage yet
obviously as soon as we have it we're
going to go ahead and talk about this
case and probably play some of that
footage here on this weekly live show
but you know if I'm curious to see if
anybody has any other comments about how
something like this could happen so the
only thing that I could think of is that
really the individual doesn't have to
get out of handcuffs all they really
have to do is switch the can cuffs to
the front and any police officer on her
on here knows that you know it probably
isn't that big of a deal now right now
I'm 40 years old I have all kinds of
injuries from back injuries from not
only running half marathons and running
20 miles a week but also from wearing a
gun belt for for 15 years so so would I
be flexible enough in order with hands
behind my back in order to get them
underneath my body and through my legs
at 40 years old probably not could I
have done it when I was 22 years old
right out of the academy yeah I mean I
probably could have so again the smaller
someone is the more athletic the more
flexible someone is
um the more reasonable the that it's
easy to do that again what I expect a 50
year old guy who's 350 pounds would I I
would I expect them to be able to do it
no what I expect almost any 21 year old
man or woman to be able to switch their
handcuffs to the front yeah I mean they
probably could so once the once the
handcuffs are in the front
um you don't have to have the handcuffs
off in order to drive a car or get out
so you think how do they get out of a
car so the only thing I can think of is
because everyone knows or police
officers if you've been a police officer
watched a lot of body cam channels or
you've been in the situation where
you've been under arrest is that police
cars don't have any in the backseat of
place cars you can't exit from the back
see there's no door handle so is so what
I'm thinking is that maybe the window
was rolled down now if the window is
rolled down then it's possible that
someone might be able to reach their
handout and somehow open it open it from
the back side I can't really think of
any other way that he got out of the
back seat but again you know once your
hands are in the front and you're out of
the back seat you can either run around
run around rural Colorado like like a
crazy person with your hands handcuffed
or you can hop into the driver's seat of
the car and drive away which is exactly
what he did so I'm really interested
with the body camera dash cam says uh
let's see uh let's see saw the man says
I can move my arms to the front I have
no booties so it's easy uh Dan says
basic rules leave the car in sights not
on the train tracks Dan thank you so
much for mentioning that yes because it
was police officers in Colorado who uh
also uh not only did they leave the car
out of their sight they left it on the
train tracks uh which hit someone who
was in the backseat of the car and I
covered that case uh I actually covered
the case on this channel when that
happens absolutely crazy uh Stan says uh
Florida State Troopers here don't have
any cases easy to get easy to get in the
front um don't have cages I so really
they don't in Florida State Troopers
don't have cages well okay well that's
an obvious different thing so what what
a cage is is essentially a cage is
basically some kind of a divider most so
back in the day back in the day before I
was a police officer they were like you
know like metal cages that would
separate the front seat from the back
seat so people couldn't do this um
that's what absolutely happened I I
guess I also Indiana State Police don't
have cages so that's why they're called
cages but you know typically now and I
came on as a police officer in 2005 so
at least since 2005 it's not an actual
cage it's like plastic it's essentially
like plastic that separates the front
seat from the back seats um typically
there is a little thing with like holes
in it where you can either close it or
shut it in case you want to have a
conversation but if you have someone
like Miss Hall who is spitting and going
crazy crazy you can just close it and
you can still hear the person talk but
there you know maybe the sound is a
little bit muffled and uh you know
nothing from them can get to you in the
front seat but so we call them cages but
again it hasn't been a cage in quite a
long time so so
um yeah I mean eventually you have to
think about it like the ultimate Uber
experience right
um so now here's the story that I'm
gonna tell about someone who not did
something similar but I mean may have so
um again like I said earlier in my
career as a place officer 15 years on
the street I arrested somewhere around 3
000 people and one of the absolute
spookiest people that I've ever arrested
was this guy and you know I've arrested
someone the biggest guy I've arrested
was six eight 350 pounds I've arrested
people who were MMA fighters at a local
gym who um luckily they were friendly
the six eight guy in the MMA fighters
luckily they were friendly because there
was they were both they were all nice
and Cooperative but this guy that I
arrested was spooky so he was about a 50
year old white guy that I arrested for
some kind of a warrant he wasn't drunk
it was some kind of a misdemeanor Warren
50 year old white guy he looked like a
blue collar guy um he was I rested I
stopped him in kind of like a bad area I
think he had a suspended license and
stuff like that but some kind of a
misdemeanor warrant um but but no no
violent criminal history or anything
like that he looked like he was a blue
collar guy like maybe he was a roofer or
a painter or something just the way that
the way that he was dressed I'm using
the back seat of the car I had I was a
rookie as I saw you know I maybe had a
year year and a half a year and a half
or two years on um so I handcuffed him
put put him in the back seat of the car
and I looked back and I'm driving him to
the jail I looked back and his hands are
in the front he didn't say anything my
fault I didn't notice it as I was
driving but I looked back and he's got
his hands in the front and he's just
sitting there he wasn't combative he
wasn't rude he wasn't disrespectful his
head's in the front and then I was like
hey dude what are you doing what
happened and he said just very simply
very matter-of-factly I didn't want my
hands in the back anymore and I'm like
so you just move him to the front and
again he wasn't a big guy he was a
slender guy but he was an older guy um
so I thought okay I did something wrong
is a newer officer with a year and a
half two years on I thought that I had
done something wrong like you know
somehow either somehow I I didn't
somehow I didn't
um uh somehow I didn't
um uh somehow I didn't handcuff him
right or something like that so I stop I
get him out you know I uncuff him I put
his handcuffs in the back now his
handcuffs are in the back again I look
back a couple minutes later we're
driving and not only are his hands in
the front but he had completely taken
the handcuffs off the handcuffs were
completely off completely off and I was
just flabbergasted I didn't know what to
expect so the only thing that I could
thought I could think is that I didn't
put the handcuffs on tight enough again
I'm thinking this is my fault that I
didn't put the handcuffs on tight enough
and somehow he was able to slip him out
or he had a handcuff key on him which I
and again I thought it was I thought it
was strange so again I did the same
thing I got him out he didn't fight
didn't run he was cooperative I told him
knock that [ __ ] off I put the handcuffs
back in the back a third time it
happened again and he got the handcuffs
off again and I made sure to put him on
tight where there was no way he could
slip his hands out I also searched him
again I said okay maybe this guy's got a
handcuff key somewhere so I did call for
backup I had an another officer there we
we searched him again and then we
searched the car to make sure that he
didn't have a handcuff key on there and
it was at that point that I had another
officer follow me the rest of the way to
the jail and I just had a conversation
with the guy and said what are you doing
like how are you doing this how is this
possible and he was just a spooky guy
and all he said is that I have prior law
enforcement experience and I don't know
how he did it I don't know how he got
out of the handcuffs he definitely
didn't have a handcuff key but somehow
he was able to get those handcuffs off
and it was it was just a really strange
spooky thing I'm curious if any other
police officers on here have seen
anything like this um but you know the
last trip to the jail was was was short
so he didn't try to do it again but
somehow this guy got his handcuffs off
without a handcuff key and I know for
sure especially that last time that they
were tight enough where he wouldn't be
able to slip his hands out I don't know
how he did it but I guess what I'm going
with this is people can do strange
things and there are things out there
that you can't explain I'm sure there is
an explanation to this never saw the guy
again
um never anything like that again he
didn't try to fight he thankfully he
didn't try to fight or run because who
knows what this guy's skill level was
but again not all police officers
especially when you're 50 years old so
the idea that you know well I was able
to do this because I have prior law
enforcement experience the idea oh okay
well that makes sense no it doesn't make
sense because I actually don't know what
any retired cops who are able to do what
this guy did um but again weird things
happen I'm not saying that was the case
in the Colorado case but every now and
then I'll see a case in the news and
it'll just remind me of something
um from you know 17 18 years ago in my
career and that's what it reminded me of
um so all right so a couple more
comments that we're going to take off
for the week uh let's see uh sixth sense
says uh that doesn't uh doesn't say much
for Uber sixth sense as a what's the
siding Factor whether handcuffs cuffed
in the front or the back really good
question six cents so most police
departments have policies that people
have to be handcuffed in the back so the
only reason you wouldn't be handcuffed
in the back is if someone has some kind
of an injury of where
um that they couldn't do it also um if
someone is hearing impaired if someone
is is hearing impaired there are
directions or laws out there I'm not
sure if it's sop if it's policy or law
but if someone is hearing impaired
really the only way that they can
communicate is if they is if they um as
if they you know can do hand signals let
you know something's wrong
um also I should say that uh politicians
typically get handcuffed in the front uh
per Department policy um as well
um yeah so these are just these are just
a couple of the reasons why I've
arrested people um again so I have
arrested people um who were like you
know 80 year old women
um that uh so in in 80 year old woman
um I I I've arrested I didn't handcuff I
didn't handcuff in the back I handcuffed
in the front even though that was
probably
um against policy um I I just didn't
think it was safe especially trying to
have her walk um um she was arrested for
driving while intoxicated didn't have a
choice
um so it was one of those things where
you know I I just didn't feel didn't
feel like like it was reasonable to do
um so yeah so it's just it's just one of
those one of those things
um that uh it happens sometimes but
again the default is to handcuff in the
back that's what police officers are
supposed to do for a lot of different
reasons that's usually per Department
policy that's how police officers are
trained except for extenuating
circumstances injuries hearing impaired
where you handcuff people in the front
that's pretty much the reason why last
comment uh let's see uh let's see James
echo says hey Daniel did you hear about
California Gavin newsom's proposal uh to
add to a uh a ridiculous 20th Amendment
I haven't I saw uh I saw Gavin Newsom uh
interview on Sean Hannity uh recently I
haven't heard about this however I will
look into it for next week alright so
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