all right good afternoon this is Daniel
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one of the most important things as we
do every single week is as I'm going
through these cases and these stories
definitely put your opinion in the chat
because one of my favorite things to do
one of the favorite things that we like
to do here on this channel is really
just go back and forth with our viewers
really interested to see not only if you
agree with what I'm saying but also if
you disagree also believe it or not that
you may have more information about a
case than I do because you may be more
up to date on it or maybe one of the
cases that we're going to talk about is
local to your particular area so you may
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those people here in the comments and
they they really have a good knowledge
base for these kinds of issues and cases
so we're just going to get right into it
um first I'm going to do a little bit of
a a little bit of a rundown of the cases
that we're going to cover in case
there's something that you really want
us to cover today just so you know what
we're going to go over so we're going to
talk about the Eddie irisari officer
involved shooting in Philadelphia then
we're going to talk about some of the
subsequent riots that happened after
that we're also going to talk about an
officer involved shooting in Atlanta
with an individual named Johnny halman
and last we're going to talk about uh
some new technology that's come out um
in La that is really it it's pretty
strange and I'm not crazy about it but
what I'm really concerned about is what
your opinion is on this technology so
we'll get get to that here at the end
and um so okay all right so the first
case that we're going to go over it's
this Eddie izari Jr officer involved
shooting that happened in Philadelphia
so this happened on August 14th 2023 and
so let me just tell you a little bit
about what happened so there were two
police officers in Philadelphia officers
Mark Dial and officer Micha Morris they
were on random patrol and they saw a
vehicle that was being driven by Mr
irari they claimed that the vehicle was
driving in a reckless manner including
driving the wrong way down a one-way
Street it was at that point that the
that the police officers it was at that
point that the police officers um
decided to initiate a traffic stop which
seems like a completely reasonable thing
to do once the police officers conducted
the traffic stop they went and made
contact with the driver officer Mark
Dial as he was making contact with the
driver upon initial approach he fired
six shots into the driver's side uh of
the of the vehicle through that front
window and you know if you just look at
the the body camera video came out and a
lot of people were pretty alarmed about
what they saw because if you just watch
the body camera video just a standalone
body camera video with you're not
looking at the statement from the
officer you're not talking to Witnesses
you're not talking to the other police
officer you're literally just watching
this one piece of single Standalone
evidence the body camera footage um I'm
going to be honest it it doesn't look
like it's an objective reasonable
shooting the first time that I saw the
body camera footage I was like oh this
one this one isn't good at all this is
not an objectively reasonable officer
involved shooting but then I thought
okay you know what we have to do we have
to look at it a little bit more because
one piece of evidence the body camera
footage that and again I love body
camera footage this is a body camera
footage Channel primarily so we love
body camera footage but it may not tell
the entire story so honest and
reasonable people you know want a little
bit more information and here's why so
again the body C footage believe it or
not the what the body camera sees and
hears is not necessarily what the police
officer sees or hears what I mean by
that as a body camera could be pointing
in One Direction a police officer could
be looking in another Direction and a
lot of times when the human body is
under stress and in stressful situations
when you get that adrenaline dump a lot
of the time a lot of the time
that when that occurs a lot of the time
you know your senses go out and it just
is one of those things where just
because it gets picked up on the body
camera that doesn't mean that's what
that doesn't mean that's what the police
officer perceived at the time and the
way that the law works it you have to
look at the entire use of force incident
and the question to to determine whether
or not this is going to be legal or not
is was it reasonable action from the
police officer so here's what happened
or here's what the police officer said
the police officer said is that as he
was making contact with Mr irisari in
the in the driver's seat of the vehicle
that he next to holding in Mr IR zari's
hand next to his leg that he thought
that Mr osario was holding a gun and
that's why he fired six rounds at him
what Mr osario was actually holding was
a knife with a black handle but in the
moment that's not what the police
officer saw that's not what the police
officer perceived so the way this whole
perception thing works it really goes by
what the perception of the police
officer reasonable given all of the
circumstances and you go what do you
mean by that well let's say that that
the police officer said well I shot him
because I thought he was holding an
elephant tusk that shot out lasers well
that wouldn't be reasonable so that
perception wouldn't be reasonable and
that wouldn't be in the category since
it's not reasonable that wouldn't be a
lawful officer involved shooting but
that's not what the police officer said
the police officer said that he thought
that Mr irari was holding a handgun well
a knife with a black handle could that
resemble a handgun I mean it's possible
however he was fired from the police
department and he was charged with all
kinds of felonies including murder so
here he's going to to face murder
charges officer dial and earlier this
week it was on Tuesday this essentially
went to a preliminary hearing now here's
what a judge does at the preliminary
hearing all the judge does at this point
and they do this for every single case
not just for police officers this
happens you know every single time that
there is a criminal case especially a
felony and the judge looks at the
criminal complaint you know here maybe
here some different argument from the
from the attorneys and basically all the
judge decides at this point is is there
a probable cause for these charges to go
forward not is there proof Beyond A
Reasonable Doubt or he definitely is
guilty it's was there probable cause
cause because again if there's no
probable cause then that's the standard
for arrest and you shouldn't be charged
at all if the police officers do not
have probable cause so it was at so it
was at that point that um so it was at
it was at that point that the the judge
basically said so she heard arguments
from the attorney she she read the she
read the different briefs and she also
and the the judge also watched the body
camera footage so that was actually that
was actually part of this so what she
did is she basically dismissed all of
the charges against the police officer
so I don't know exactly why but
essentially she found that there was no
probable cause to arrest so she
dismissed all the charge against the
police officer so the prosecutor said
that immediately that they were going to
head they were going to go ahead and
appeal this case and that's probably
what the prosecutors are going to do but
as of right now all the charges were
dismissed against the the police officer
and kind of like I said before you know
if you watch the body cam footage it's
just a standalone single piece of
evidence um the officer involved
shooting I mean it really doesn't appear
to be objectively reasonable and this is
precisely why the danger there's danger
in basing you know a loud and aggressive
opinion based on a solitary short video
um so again the reasonableness of the
officer at the exact moment of the
officer involved shooting is relevant in
this case law okay so it looks like we
have some breaking news so I'm going to
stop this case for a second so it looks
like Tupac Shakur uh was was killed in
1996 and it looks like someone was just
arrested in connection uh so basically
it says that the hip-hop Legend you know
was shot four different times in Las
Vegas in 1996 and Las Vegas police
arrested a man today over his death and
this is according to police sources
speaking with the AP so again Shakur was
25 when he died this has been going on
for a long time really this development
happened in July after um after the the
uh an alleged gang member's home was
searched um they actually found some
evidence uh for Mr Shakur's death um so
that is some breaking news that we
wanted to definitely get definitely get
in in there in there today and we'll
definitely be following up on that so
back to the the reasonableness of this
of this uh irisari case and kind of like
I said before just because you have the
body cam footage that isn't the only
thing that isn't the only thing that you
can um that that you should look at it's
obviously not the only thing that the
judge look at so I'm I'm really I'm
really curious to see what individuals
think about this particular case so um
Yim Roy nards looks like is it true that
in America you are 90% more likely to be
shot to death by a police officer than
by a terrorist um I I haven't seen the
research on that so I don't have any
idea I I don't think um thankfully
people aren't killed by terrorists all
that often but here's what I do know if
you don't commit a felony and then
subsequently run from fight with or
attack a police officer you have
literally a just a virtually zero%
chance of being harmed by a police
officer um so you know it's very very
rare maybe one out of 250 million police
interactions if you don't do anything
wrong you will get killed killed or
harmed by a police officer it's extreme
extremely extremely rare um okay so
let's see if there's uh any other any
other comments here on this case what
you guys what you guys think about this
case I'm interested to see what what you
think about this or or if you think that
the body camera footage alone is enough
to to make this officer guilty but again
that's obviously not what the judge
thought um okay so we're going to go
ahead and go over to the next case so
the next case that we're going to talk
about it's related because this happened
in Philadelphia after the charges were
dismissed so after the charges were
dismissed black lives matter held a
protest in Philadelphia now what they
are being very careful to say what they
are being very careful to say is that it
wasn't the people it wasn't the entire
all of the individuals that who were at
the black lives matter protest um uh for
this officer being um you know the
charges being dismissed that essentially
what they're saying is that you know
there were several hundred individuals
who were not really part of the protest
but just basically went out and just
basically started to destroy a pretty
big section of Philadelphia so stores
were looted I mean the video of this is
absolutely crazy so Apple lul lemon all
kinds of different stores were looted um
police officers were on seeing they had
a hell of a time over several different
nights trying to trying to arrest people
um you know and I just want to say that
something tells me that stealing
expensive yoga pants really has nothing
to do with the some vague notion of of
of police brutality and listen even if a
police officer in this case did commit a
crime even if the police officer did
make a mistake under a stressful
situation rioting mobs terrorizing the
city listen that will only ensure that
there is more use of force between
citizens and police officers so if the
goal is to have it so there's less
confrontation between citizens and
police officers rioting and looting and
basically destroying an entire city
probably not the thing to do over 50
people were arrested over a couple
nights by police officers um including
this this loud fat individual the so the
social media influencer called meatball
who live stream basically the whole
thing so I always say it with police
officers sometimes police officers can
commit crimes police officers make make
mistakes and when they do they should
absolutely be you know prosecuted if
they commit a crime well a lot of the
times because of body camera footage
police officers are recording themselves
doing these bad acts so that's exactly
what this meatball thing did so meatball
you know basically went around as she
was looting and burglarizing and
stealing things and encourage other
other people to do so she was streaming
this all on social media so I had no
idea who she was before this apparently
she has half a million followers on Tik
Tok and 200,000 or so followers on
Instagram so there were a lot of people
including police officers who were able
to see this so they charged her with six
different felonies um so this is
absolutely crazy again no matter what
you think the wrong is if you think that
the judge got it wrong if you think that
a police officer got it wrong there's
absolutely no way to make it right by
punishing Apple Lululemon or just the
the citizens and the people who work at
these Stores um and you just have to ask
yourself you know where's Kyle
writtenhouse when you need him any
comments on that case let's see what
what we got here if any body has any any
comments on that case or what's been
what's been going on in Philadelphia
over the last over the last couple days
um no doesn't think we have any have any
comments there but you know I don't
think that the riots are over there in
Philadelphia um it's the E the Eagles
are winning so maybe people are just
more more interested in that in
Philadelphia but I don't think the
rioting is over so again it went on for
two or three nights of this and um you
know police are like I said made 50
arrests I'm just not sure if that's
going to be the end of it or if there is
going to be more all right so this next
case that we're going to talk about so
this happened in Atlanta last month uh
on August 10th and it it's it's this is
a really tragic case that i' I've got
some pretty strong opinions not about
the use of force from police officers
because essentially we don't we don't
really know what happened um but just
kind of about some of the ancillary
issues so I'd be really I'd be really
interested to see what uh what what some
people uh some people say uh one more
comment from Josh Barett from Facebook
hey Josh thanks for joining from our
from our Facebook page page uh I'd say
yes cops shoot people or fight people
given the fact that in New Mexico I've
seen it multiple times yeah so Josh if
you have a case um best thing to do is
put it in the comments so if you have a
case that you think police officers did
did wrong on definitely link the link
the body camera footage or link the
article um if you have it um in the
comments what we do is we pretty much
check those comments all week long and I
go through them but here's the thing
Josh if it's a case where a police
officer did something wrong it's
apparent that the police officer
committed a crime like in The Tyree
Nichols case I'm going to say here and
I'm going to agree with you I'm say yeah
the police officer did something wrong
and then we're going to look I bet if
there's a case that you and I agree on
the police officer my guess is the
officer would have been charged in that
case um but yeah but like I said Josh if
you do have any other cases where you
want us to look at definitely put it in
the chat it is something we take into
consideration when we're coming up with
content for this Channel and for the
show so this case happened on August
10th uh so last month and involved a
62-year-old man named Johnny hman so
this was in Atlanta so here's what the
story is so Mr hman he was leaving
church as he was leaving some type of a
church group um he was driving home he
was involved in a minor traffic crash
well police officers were called during
the traffic crash investigation the
police officer on scene decided to issue
Mr hman a traffic citation so that's a
pretty normal thing for uh that's a
pretty normal thing for a traffic crash
that is that you know typically the
driver at fault gets a gets a citation
uh gets some type of a ticket and here's
the thing here's what I always say and I
said it multiple times whether it's a
citizen like Mr Hollman or or a police
officer is that driving bad or or making
a mistake while driving that's not a
personality flaw so unless you're
reckless driving purposely Running Red
Lights trying to get away from police
officers or drag racing or you know
unless you're doing something
intentional which I don't think Mr hman
was but unless you're doing something
intentional making a mistake while
driving like that is not a personality
flaw it doesn't mean you're a bad person
every one of us if you put a camera in
our car 24 hours a day every time we
drove for for a decade everyone goes out
of their Lane everyone speeds every
everyone runs a stop sign everyone goes
to a red light that they probably
shouldn't so again making a mistake
while driving that doesn't make you a
bad person so just because you get a
traffic citation just because you get a
ticket after a crash that doesn't mean
you're a bad person or a criminal it
just means that you know you were
probably at leas in the eyes of the
police officer at least at that point
that you were at fault for the traffic
crash now here's the thing is that the
word now police officers as I've said
before don't always get everything right
including who is at fault in a traffic
crash that's why a lot of times these
things are on video you can take
pictures you can have witnesses um you
can you can uh and then really who
decides who's at fault it's a a couple
different areas there's Insurance who's
going to decide monetarily who's at
fault and then what happens in court so
if you don't think you're at fault the
last thing that you should do is fight
with a police officer in the street we
have a venue we have a great vehicle for
determining fault in the traffic crash
and it's called court so you go to court
and that's what the police officer did
he tried to give Mr hman a citation now
one of the things that they have here in
Atlanta and listen they they have it in
in a couple different states and I'm
really curious to what you guys think of
it so when you're issued a traffic
citation in Atlanta this is not only law
but it's also policy from the Atlanta
Police Department that what has to
happen is the individual who gets a
ticket has to sign the ticket now you're
not signing saying I'm guilty I did this
you're not acknowledging literally
anything that the police officer said
you're not verifying any of the police
officer's opinion all you're saying is
that I'm signing this ticket
acknowledging I got a citation in lie of
arrest so I'm getting the citation
instead of an arrest and and it's
basically a promise to show up in court
that's what signing a citation is again
it's not admitting guilt it's not it's
not you know endorsing anything the cop
says it's just saying I acknowledge I
got this citation and I have a court
date I'm going to go to that court date
that's literally all it is well so for
whatever reason and a lot of times
people don't know that so there's a lot
of times where people say I'm not
signing that ticket I've had this dozens
of times working as a police officer
issuing traffic tickets where people say
I'm not signing that I don't agree and I
said that's great if you don't agree you
don't have to agree all this is saying
is it's your promise to show up for
court and even people who are irritated
they were in a traffic crash even people
who were irritated at me for giving them
a ticket when you explain it that way
even people who are mad at the situation
they almost always go oh okay and they
always sign so you know in in 18 years
working as a police officer you know 15
years in uniform um I think I had one
person in 15 years thousands of traffic
up who absolutely 100% refused and then
I had to take him to jail because here's
why and I'm not saying I agreee with
this I think this is actually kind of
dumb but the way that the law works is
you either have to give them uh it's a
citation in Le of arrest so a lot of
times not only is it law but it's policy
from the police department which the
officers have to follow again if a
police officer breaks policy with
something else you know we're we're
going to [ __ ] on that officer and say
you didn't follow policy well we have to
be consistent with that okay so we can
acknowledge hey this is a bad policy
that policies to change but saying that
police officers should just violate
policies because they feel like it I
don't think anyone is going to take that
consistent view on anything because that
doesn't make a whole lot of sense so
what the policy was that someone doesn't
sign a citation that they have to be
arrested instead so the police officer
in this case he's saying he explained
that to Mr hman like hey like you know
I'm giving you this citation so I don't
have to take you to jail please just
sign it and you can go to court well for
whatever reason the allegation from the
police department is that Mr Hollman
didn't want to sign the citation leaving
the police officer yeah again I I
acknowledge it's stupid and I'm going to
tell you what my remedy for this is here
in a minute I agree it's stupid but
basically the leaving the police officer
no choice but to have to take Mr Hollman
to jail so that's what the police
officer said you know I'm going to go
ahead and take you to jail now we don't
know what happen yet because we don't
have the body camera video but as you
can imagine most of the time hey Adam
goson good to see you in here sir so
most of the time what happens is is you
know people don't think you're serious
when you say Hey you know we're going to
go ahead and we're going to go ahead and
uh take you to jail if you don't sign
the citation most people don't think the
officer serious once the handcuffs come
out or the officer tells you to turn
around you know even people who were
kind of a jerk and know didn't really
believe the police officer usually that
encourages them to believe the police
officer and at that point they make the
decision to sign the ticket now it's my
opinion that if at that point you know
anytime before the handcuffs are on if
the individual says okay I changed my
mind I'll go ahead and sign it even if
you already said as a police officer hey
you're under arrest turnaround if the
guy goes hey okay I'll go ahead and sign
it let him sign the [ __ ] ticket right
like that like that just makes the most
sense now once the handcuffs are on and
the person's in the backseat of the car
that's time you call your sergeant or
your supervisor and ask them you maybe
Loop them in but really anytime correct
me if I'm wrong there Adam goson so
anytime before the handcuffs are on if
someone changes their mind and makes a
good decision which is what police
officers should want people to make
makes a good decision changes their mind
and wants to sign it let him sign the
[ __ ] ticket like to me that makes
just the most sense there is no doubt
about that um so what the police officer
said is that Mr Mr hman refused to sign
the citation after he refused citation
he tried to arrest Mr Hollman who the
police officers alleged that he resisted
arrest now Mr Hollman is a 62y old old
man don't think he has any criminal
history but police officers saying that
he resisted arrest during resisting
arrest police officers had to use Force
the applique one of the applications of
force utiliz was a taser so police
officers did utilize a taser on Mr
Hollman it was at that point that he did
um they placed him at handcuffs he had a
medical episode and he died at that
point um obviously there's protests all
all over Atlanta um so the body camera
footage let's talk about that first the
body camera footage has not been
released however the family and and I
think the representatives of Mr
hollman's family have been allowed to
see at least some clips of the body
camera footage so what I just told you
told you except for me saying the word
allegedly that's what the Atlanta Police
Department is saying happened um however
however the however the um uh the family
of Mr Hollman said that that's not the
whole story that's that's not correct
and basically they're demanding that all
of the body camera footage be released
right now let's see Mr goson says I work
really hard to avoid taking people to
jail for traffic violations but the nice
bracelets on my hand has been uh but the
nice bracelets are on and my hand has
been forced you get to reap the
consequence of your decision yeah I I
agree so once the handcuffs are on not a
whole lot the officer can do but
hopefully police officers in the moment
you know allow people to correct bad
decisions up until the handcuffs are on
hey I want to you're under arrest okay
I'm sorry I'll sign it awesome sign it
go everybody goes on their day so let's
talk about this body camera footage so
you know I I typically air on the side
of you know what I think that um tasing
on a traffic ticket and then ultimately
dying craziness hey sha killo oatmeal um
yeah so I mean so Shaq I mean you know
he wasn't tased for the traffic ticket
he was tazed because he resists arrest
is what the police officer say it's not
like hey you get a citation and a 50,000
volts like we know that's not what
happened right um so but but but again
something should not I think what you're
saying shail o is that you know
something like a traffic ticket Never
Should escalate to someone dying and
with you I am 100% so let's talk about
this body camera footage you know the
family basically wants all of the
footage to be released and right now the
Atlanta Police Department is saying is
hey we really can't because they have a
different agency so we always say we
don't want police officers to
investigate themselves meaning we don't
want Atlanta police to investigate other
Atlanta police officers in a criminal
case there's something called the
Georgia Bureau of Investigation that
basically takes out an outside um of the
local police department you know in
general most of the time we think that's
good so well when that yeah thank you
shail I I thought that's what you meant
so you know when when people when this
other agency comes on board and takes
the investig ation well they're pretty
much in charge they're in charge of all
the evidence at that point so I guess
what I'm saying is that getting mad at
the Atlanta Police Department or
accusing the Atlanta Police Department
of trying to hide the body camera
footage uh that's really a silly
criticism because once the Georgia
Bureau of Investigation the gbi once
they take the case they're in charge of
the evidence so I'm not saying that the
family shouldn't want um all of the
footage but they should be mad at the
Georgia Bureau of Investigation but let
let's go down that rabbit hole a little
bit so if you're the family of Mr
Hollman here's what I would want I would
want whatever law enforce I would hope
that it's an outside law enforcement
agency which it is and I would want them
to do a thorough job on this case
investigating this case that's what I
would want well you know if part of that
investigation if Georgia Bureau
Investigation let's say that they don't
they have a policy which may be a good
policy that says hey we don't release
any body camera footage until our
investigation is complete like that
seems like a reasonable a reasonable
thing for them to want to do and you
know you may be asking well why why
would they have that policy well think
about this let's that there's Witnesses
because there's going to be witnesses to
this right there could be people who are
passing by there could be other other
police officers so what you want when
you interview Witnesses you know whether
you're going to use it to prosecute a
police officer or you know maybe there's
someone who says something something in
favor of the police officer either way
you want those witnesses to be honest
and I mean you want them to give
testimony from what they saw and heard
not from what they saw on uh Copwatch TV
on the body cam Channel however if the
gbi wants us to get wants us to get the
body camera footage out there always
willing to send it to copat TV we will
get out there uh first and fast for
everyone to see but you can understand
why why why they would want to interview
all of their Witnesses who basically can
give them an independent memory not
testifying to what they saw on the
greatest body camera Channel um around
so you would think that would be a
reasonable you would think that would be
a reasonable thing that they would want
um so now again now once they are are
done with the investigation yeah I
honestly do think that the footage um
should be put out there for the public
to see now let's get back to this to
this traffic citation thing so so again
I I don't think it's the fault of the if
the police officer is following the law
and following policy then I think it's
really difficult to fault the police
officer so I me we can fault the police
officer and people who are anti- police
activists are always going to think that
the what the individual police officer
did that their worst possible intentions
are their only possible intentions so we
know that people who aren't serious
anti- police activists that that's what
they're going to do every single time
but people who are serious and who
actually care about these things and
really want to see some positive change
like we can all sit here and agree hey
this thing about how if you don't sign a
citation you go to jail it's [ __ ]
stupid okay let's say that we all agree
what's the fix okay if you have a if
it's in law and it's in policy and you
just want individual police officers on
the street to violate this one policy
just because we don't like it not very
reasonable so this needs to be this has
to be higher this change has to be
higher and here's an easy way to do it
so in if someone says that they're not
going to sign the ticket instead of
handing them a copy you hand them a copy
of the ticket but instead of handing
them you know copy of the ticket and
saying here's your court date you issue
a criminal summons or what Georgia
whatever their version of a criminal
summons is you know here's what I mean
by that now let's say some people are
shoplifting misdemeanor shoplifting I
know especially in California that isn't
taken very seriously but let's say
someone Mis misdemeanor shoplifts and
steals $100 from Walgreens or something
you know as the there's facial
recognition from the stores there's
license plates let's say you call a
police officer they do a few minute of
of an investigation they go oh oh okay I
know I know who did that it's Adam goson
Adam goson is the one who stole so the
police officers don't have to find Adam
Golson and hand him his shoplifting
ticket they can just do a criminal
summons essentially they send it in the
mail and you know eventually eventually
the individual will get it in the mail
and then you know if Hees the person
doesn't show up eventually there's a
warrant so there's no reason why you
can't do that with traffic citations too
so I guess what I'm saying is like I I
if that's the difference doing some kind
of a is that a perfect system no of
course it's not a perfect system a
perfect system is someone would just
sign the ticket and be on their way and
everyone can go that's a perfect system
but we know that that that that is isn't
isn't a thing so doing some type of a
some type of a criminal summons you know
the officer instead of giving you the
ticket you put it in some in some folder
and it just gets routed through whatever
administrative process it does at the
police department and it it ends up
being the same thing isn't that a great
thing now the push back that I get
because I talked about this on uh on on
on Twitter I think the other day or a
video I made on on Tik Tok I talked
about this the other day and some people
were saying well you know well what if
the individual says it wasn't them that
they deny it cuz there's no signature
there well you know what if you okay if
the person gets to court and really
challenges hey that actually wasn't me
who got that citation it wasn't me at
all well you know what that's what
[ __ ] body cameras are for so you have
body camera footage you have the person
so it just seems like that would be a
really easy fix a really easy remedy so
the idea just on a common sense level of
if you don't sign this traffic citation
you're going to go to jail to me that
just seems silly it should never ever
get to that but again a lot of the times
it's not the fault of the police officer
it's a bad law it's a bad policy um I
even think the law can probably stay the
same as long as the policy change with
the police department hey if people
refuse to sign then you turn into a
criminal summons and you don't have to
get into this pissing match on the side
of the road that is completely
unnecessary um unnecessarily divides um
citizens from police officers for
absolutely no reason but there is one
thing that I do know for sure about the
Johnny Hollman case if Mr hman had
signed the citation fought it in court
he would be alive that is absolutely
what I know for sure and that's the
preferred outcome that's the outcome I
want that's why I do the show that's why
I write on substack that's why I do
these videos is because that is the
outcome that I want yes police officers
have to be better and that's one of the
reasons why I talk about all this stuff
as well is that yes police officers
absolutely have to do better we should
encourage police officers to do better
when it comes to policy training tactics
supervision equipment but we also have
to say hey don't be an [ __ ] if you
get a citation just take the citation
don't fight with the police officer
don't try to take their gun you know
just just cooperate with the police
officer fight it in court if you think
that you were wrong which you know if a
if police officer wrongs you and
honestly violates your and does violate
your civil rights there will be
attorneys lined up around the block
waiting to represent you because that is
easy money for attorneys and obvious CI
uh civil rights violations case and you
should hold police officers accountable
for that all right let's see if we have
any comments here uh let's see um cinjun
Randy hey good afternoon sir uh let's
see officer blue going to remind you
that we the PE okay they're they're
talking about the Constitution or
something they're going back and forth
between themselves I'm not sure I'm not
sure what's uh what's going on there but
let's talk about the taser really quick
and I've talked about the taser a couple
different times on the show probably a
lot of times on the show because it's
probably the best intermediate weapon
system that police officers have if
you're a cop in there please tell me if
you think I'm wrong or if you think
there is a better intermediate weapon
system here's what I mean by
intermediate weapon system you have a
baton and you have OC you know which is
Mace and then you have a gun so
intermediate it's something in the
middle between those listen I remember
sitting in 2004 in my uh issues in
policing uh class at Western Illinois
univers my senior year in my undergrad
and I remember Dr kronite Who was the
commander of the area command where
Rodney King was killed and later on he
was the chief of police of Santa Ana
California I remember him saying this
exact thing in 2004 we have guns and we
have batons we're trying to find this
weapon system in the middle because as
you can imagine there's a lot of
situations where a gun is too much force
but also maybe someone's armed with a
knife or or or a bat where you know a
baton and and OC or mace that that's too
little for so police officers he said
this at at the time for 50 years police
officers have been searching for this
intermediate weapon system and here we
are you know just about 20 years later
19 years later from when I was in that
class and we're still looking for that
perfect intermediate weapon system um I
think that the taser is probably the
best we have now anytime someone dies by
a taser you know it's usually because
they have other medical issues um it's
it's because it's because there's other
medical issues or they were on they were
on a [ __ ] ton of fentanyl or or meth or
or they have heart problems something
like that because here's the thing when
you're a police officer and you're in
the police academy and obviously I can't
speak for all 800,000 cops I can only
speak for police officers in my state
and in the the the the department that
that I was with is that is that when you
get certified to use a Taser you have to
get tased yourself now I found out later
on that that you didn't actually have to
but our Academy instructors um said that
you have to so we all got tased two
different times in the police academy so
I my point with all this is if just the
act of tasing someone if that had a high
consequence or if that had a if that had
a very high level of killing people they
wouldn't do it to police officers in the
academy who they are investing hundreds
of thousands of dollars in to hopefully
put on the street to protect different
cities right so it's like it it they
don't shoot police officers with bean
bags they don't smash them in the face
with batons they don't shoot them with
40 millimeters because all of these can
cause serious injury but again maybe not
everywhere but at least in my police
department every officer who hire who
carries a taser has to get tased with it
first again if it was that dangerous and
just the act of tasing someone was
automatically going to kill someone they
wouldn't do it and I know what you're
going to say is that well Mr hman he was
too old to tase there's actually no
research on that that says you can't
tase someone over a certain age I also
should say that there was someone in my
police academy class at the time was 59
years old who was tased with us twice he
was totally fine and there was no
indication that there was any kind of a
any kind of a conversation any kind of a
conversation about that where we're not
going to tase uh we're not going to tase
this guy because he was uh because he
was um uh uh 59 years old he got to to
Ride the Lightning um just like the rest
of us um so I pre let's see uh Josh
Barrett says talking about deescalation
uh let's see uh Adam says uh
deescalation is a great tool which it is
but um pepper spray in the eye for
refusing to to to accept a citation not
always reasonable um officer blue gun if
you don't uh commit crimes you cannot be
a customer oh officer blue gun that is
uh always always an important thing to
say that makes complete sense so this
last thing that I'm going to this last
thing I'm going to talk about I don't
talk about technology a whole lot
because listen most of the time when
there is some technology where where
police departments and and you know
basically team up with with companies
and they they come up with some kind of
Technology usually that's a good thing
it's very rare it's very rare that I'm
like ah you know that's that's probably
not good because any advancement to make
things safer for police officers and
citizens I'm usually completely on board
is it another weapon system is it
intermediate weapon system is a way to
stop cars who are fleeing so we don't
have to get into crazy crash crazy like
uh uh uh vehicle Pursuits you know I
love the technology but this technology
you know I'll I'll just say it right off
front you know in practice so I'm going
to [ __ ] on it a little bit but like in
practice it actually might be okay I
[ __ ] hate the philosophy and the
principle behind it and I'm going to
tell you why so this thing is called
safe stop um I had never heard of it up
until this week police one actually did
an article on it and I read it and I
said this this is this is absolutely un
un unbelievable um so it's called safe
stop so and again I understand that I'm
going to there's a risk of me sounding
like like a salty old cop but you know
at least in principle safe stop is a bad
idea so here's what it is it's
essentially technology that citizens can
opt into um it's some type of app on
their cell phone that they can opt into
and this is the Los Angeles County
Sheriff's Department um one of their
divisions I think it's like the
Hollywood division um they have a pilot
program they have a pilot program for
this technology um that they are
utilizing so this is um essentially what
this is is when a police officer
initiates a traffic stop on your vehicle
if you're signed up for the app the
citizen doesn't have to but it says it
can choose to instead of making initial
face-to-face contact with the police
officer the individual can somehow go on
the app and again I haven't used it can
somehow go on the App I'm sure it's
checked by by GPS saying hey we you stop
by a police officer at second in Montano
you know and you can go yes and then
somehow it contacts you with ENT kind of
like a FaceTime with the police officer
who stopped you so the initial contact
UM the initial contact that you have
with the with the police officer is over
is basically through FaceTime with the
cop being behind you um the cop being
behind you um and I mean yeah I know
what you're thinking as we're just
getting closer and closer to Demolition
Man so the first initial contact you're
on face to face so you could see you
could see something like this like you
know you get you got you get behind the
officer you go on the app and say you
know hey this is the officer whoever
with this Police Department this is why
I stopped you Hey listen I'm going to
walk up to you here in a minute could
you please get your driver's license
registration insurance card out um I I
would really really go ahead and
appreciate it or maybe even through the
app the person can just show the
driver's license so the officer can run
it there I'm not sure exactly what the
procedure and protocol is but it's that
that you can still get uh you can still
get a citation but it's basically this
initial contact UM and basically what
they're saying is that it uh you know it
basically it says that it it's to it's
to make sure that traffic stops are
safer that's what the company says to
make traffic safer for cops and for
citizens will this make things safer I
don't I don't I don't know if it will
again you know because I have a law
degree I can argue this from both sides
I could say yeah if I'm a criminal and I
want to kill a police officer well one
I'm probably not going to stop right
okay probably not going to stop but if I
do stop and I have a felony warrant or a
homicide warrant or something like that
yeah listen Hey listen as much time as I
can prepare for the police officer if I
know when he's coming up if I know about
the time he's typing in my my
information if I give him a different
license you know like as much times I
can prepare to do an attack on a police
officer the better it is for the
criminal in the car um so like I said I
the idea that this is that this is
safeer I'm I'm not sure I would really
like to see the data on that now if they
do this data for six months or a year
and they gather data from a you know a
couple thousand traffic Subs yeah I
think we should look at that data and
see if it is safer and again like like I
said in practice I'm not saying it's a
horrible idea it's basically the
principle behind it and what I mean by
the principle the philosophy behind it
you know here's basically what we are
saying in this is so you know it's the
politicians who run the sheriff's
department are basically admitting that
the citizens in their jurisdiction just
don't know how to behave like reasonable
adults during traffic stops it's like so
so you're so you're you're saying that
the people in your area are [ __ ]
without saying that the people in your
area are [ __ ] if you cannot exhibit
basic human decency on a traffic stop
should we really be enabling uh be
enabling this Behavior with W with with
technology it's just another part of the
soft bigotry of low expectations and yes
of course someone is getting paid from a
government contract and and again so
like in principle it it's it's pretty
irritating pretty annoying that we're
saying we know the citizens who lived in
this area they don't know how to just
exhibit basic human decency and they we
don't you know we don't expect them to
actually you know be a reasonable human
when it comes to interacting with a
police officer on a traffic stop that is
way too much for us to expect for the
citizens in our area so we're going to
go ahead and do this instead because we
know that they're not civilized normal
people like to me that just seems like
like to me that's more offensive than
just about anything else um and that
idea again that we're enabling that that
kind of behavior um because we all know
we all see the body camera footage that
if a police officer stops you and says
hey I stopped you for speeding if you
hand them him or her your license
registration Insurance um you know you
don't run fight flee you know attack try
to take the officers going as long as
you avoid doing those things the chances
that you're going to be harmed by a
police officer even on a traffic stop
are you know essentially essentially
zero um so yeah so I I'm I'm really
curious to see what people say what
people say about uh about um some of
this stuff let's see what some some of
the comments are about some of this
technology I saw someone said something
about something about gen z um how this
is uh this is kind of a kind of a genen
z thing but you know I hadn't heard
about this before so we'll see if this
you know actually stays with with the
sheriff's department um or or anything
else uh let's see um and yet you have
officer Jared New Mexico who did nothing
wrong uh yet the stop uh to far longer
give the suspect enough time to figure
out how to go about murdering him on the
side of the road summer Evans yeah I I I
I agree with you I I agree with you
summer so it's one of those things
traffic stops are one of the most
dangerous things that that police
officers do and and it's and it's
unfortunately again there there's no
perfect way to do it so if you have a
violent Maniac like an officer Jared's
case if you have a violent Maniac who is
intent on killing a police officer there
isn't a whole lot the police officer can
do yes there's tactics there there is
there there there is is training but you
saw what happened to officer clink
bromer um last um last week the the case
that we covered where you know he was
essentially um just at a stopped at a
red light and someone came up right to
his car and uh shot through his window
and and and and killed him just there
you know there's not a whole lot you can
do if you have violent Maniacs who
intent are intent on killing the next
police officer they see or the next
police officer they stop it it's really
difficult for that police officer in the
moment um so like I said so does this
giving the individ gives the officer
more time maybe the officer while
they're so let me make and let me make
an argument the the other way so now you
have an officer who does this the
individual opts in does the does the
FaceTime thing so as the officer because
police officers are pretty perceptive so
as the police officer is making this
initial contact you know maybe they can
tell okay this person's a little shady
this person's a little strange they're
moving around they're fidgeting okay I'm
going to go ahead and get some backup
here you know or hey they actually the
driver's license they gave me maybe it's
them maybe it's not but that person has
a warrant cool let me get let me get oh
[ __ ] it's a felony warrant okay cool let
me get like three other cops here and
then we'll call them out we'll we'll do
we we'll do a felony stop so can I make
an argument that this is absolutely
going to be safer for police officers
yeah I can I I I can make that argument
I think we should look to see what the
data is um so like I said in principle
this may actually I mean sorry in
reality in practice I I know I'm I'm
saying things about it because I have
opinions about the principle but like in
practice this may actually be an okay
thing and it may actually be a decent
thing listen if it does make citizens
and police officers safer you're going
to hear me say yeah absolutely this
should be implemented because honestly
that's what's most important I'm just
saying that the principle behind it um
that we're we're acknowledging that
people um are allowed to act bad on
traffic stops and this is what we're
doing instead of encouraging people hey
this is what you do this is the
education when you're stopped by a
police officer don't try to take their
gun aren't you glad we gave you that
that information it just seem it's again
it's just like the soft bigotry of low
expectations so we really not expect are
we really at a point in society where we
don't expect people to act like decent
humans on a traffic stop it's kind of
where I'm at with that uh let's see uh
so Josh Barett says he's a millennial uh
Adam goson all right so those are the
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