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know what do police officers have to do
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can we make it so there's less violence
between police officers and citizens but
we're going to do that by talking about
some of the most interesting cases in
policing so want to see where
everybody's from today looks like we
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uh we have a couple people from New
Mexico and uh we're actually going to
talk about a case from New Mexico today
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out there all right so the first case
that we're going to talk about today and
this actually happened yesterday I was
researching it I was researching it um
uh as we were coming in this morning
because this this happened yesterday so
entally this was a case that happened in
Princeton Minnesota now Princeton
Minnesota is approximately 40 miles
outside of Minneapolis now I think that
whenever we see an officer involved
shooting or a police case and we see
where it happened you know a lot of
times we have different reactions about
the case or you know maybe we might be
more interested in the case because of
where it happened well I mean just for
me personally Minnesota is one of those
places I grew up in the midwest I live
in the southwest now but I went to law
school in the Twin Cities so I spent a
lot of time in the area of of the twin
CI so I really got to like that part of
the country especially that state um I
went to law school in St Paul um I
graduated in 2019 so it was before all
of the all all of the George Floyd stuff
and all and all the protests I thought
the Twin Cities was a great place so so
when I saw that this happened in
Minnesota you know I was interest
immediately interested in it so here's
the information that we know so far so
there were police officers that were
part of a task force so a lot of the
officers and prior law enforcement in in
the watching this video right now know
EX exactly what that means but for
everyone else a task force is typically
officers from a bunch of different
police departments so you could have a
couple County officers state officers
local city police officers and they
pretty much all get together as part of
a group as part of one task force
usually going after something important
in accounting because if you think about
it if you have four or five smaller
police departments that are that are in
an area of of Minnesota or really of any
state you know every individual Police
Department you know they might not be
able to do as much combating like
violent crime or drug crime but if you
get you know maybe one or two officers
from every Department well now you have
10 12 police officers all with a focus
goal to do something across the entire
County well that's what this was this
was a task force uh from shelburn County
drug task force so essentially this was
a task force that you know pretty much
went after high level felony uh people
who were involved in felony drug um uh
transactions or or or sales um so it was
near Benton County Minnesota what
happened was his police officers
yesterday yesterday morning went to do a
search warrant on a 64 year-old
individual uh the the AP did look up his
history and he did have multiple
different prior arrests for um Dr drug
possession and drug trafficking so
police officers were doing a search
warrant over at this guy's house
yesterday and he wasn't Cooperative now
that isn't all that uncommon you know
when doing a search warant however what
is uncommon is at some point during the
interaction that he did come out and he
started firing rounds at police officers
he fired rounds at police police
officers he actually struck five police
officers so five police officers were
wounded by gunfire from this guy
thankfully none of the police officers
died um as it stands right now and I
checked just before we went on there two
of the police officers have already been
um released from the hospital and three
more are still receiving treatment but
does look like all five police officers
are going to survive um it is also said
that the individual he did come out at
one point in a bathrobe and he put his
hands up in the air it was at that point
that police officers did utilize this
was after the shooting occurred that
police officers did utilize um a less
lethal M Munitions um however he then
went back inside later on he came out in
more Le less lethal rounds were fired
and also a k9 was utilized as well and
um he was taken into custody he did have
some some minor injuries as well so um
the police officer shooting um I saw
that um uh uh there were eight officers
shot within the last 24 hours uh is is
is what I was seeing trending on Twitter
however this is this is five of those
police officers thankfully they are all
going to survive um so we're just going
to get right into that's that's the big
news story of the day when it comes to
police stuff but however the first case
that I want to talk about and last week
when we did this show I pretty much
teased this case as the case to talk
about so again some cases are really
important and they pretty much set
precedent for officers all around the
country well this is one of those cases
the reason I say it's one of those cases
because it is eerily similar to the
Patrick lyola case now if I say the name
Patrick lyola I think especially people
who watch the show you know exactly what
this case is this is a case that
happened a couple years ago in 2021 over
in Grand Rapids Michigan the police
officer was Christopher Sher um the
individual was Patrick lyola it was a
traffic stop Mr Loyola ran from the
traffic stop officer Sher gave Chase
officer Sher tried to go Hands-On didn't
work officer tried to taser didn't work
during the struggle Patrick l to grabbed
the taser from the police officer had
control of it it was at that point that
officer sh did fire um at at at Patrick
Lola shooting him in the back of the
head killing him Christopher Sher that
police officer is actually still facing
charges it's it's also some of these
cases are related also if you remember
there are a couple other cases there was
a case of Garrett rol um over in Atlanta
where essentially um the an individual
took his taser and pointed at him
officer Rolf did shoot that shoot that
individual and um he was initially
charged however those charges were
dropped so I guess I'm going with this
and this again this is going to relate
to this new case that I'm going to tell
you about is that the is that the the
case that I'm going to I'm I'm going to
tell you about here is that you know
it's basically the same thing and you
know the overarching thing is is you
know when someone has is fighting or
fighting with a police officer or
resisting arrest when that individual
arms thems with a weapon you know
typically police officers and then
courts and prosecutors and judges they
they kind of have an idea of what police
officers are supposed to do you know to
in order to combat um that in in a
reasonable and legal way if an
individual has has a has a pipe and
they're standing 20t away we pretty much
know what police officers can do if
someone has a firearm we pretty much
know what police officers can do within
the law but for whatever reason even
though tasers have been around for over
20 years for some reason there is still
confusion over what can police officers
do if an individual has a taser and that
officer reasonably reasonably believes
that taser is going to be used against
them so let's get into this case and
then let's maybe maybe talk about this a
little more a little more in detail so
uh John Johnson says the officer
murdered him shot him in the back of the
head yeah we're going to get into that
John and and I think we're going to have
different opinions on this so definitely
stick around and tell me why you think
I'm right or more likely with your
comment John why you think I'm wrong so
here's what happened so this case
happened last August August 2nd 2022 in
Las cruus New Mexico now Las cruus New
Mexico is a smaller town probably about
50 to 70,000 people it's in Southern New
Mexico um kind of on the border there
maybe five miles from the Mexico border
um NMSU the is is a pretty pretty large
college that is in Las cruus New Mexico
that's probably the main thing that Las
cruus is known for is having uh the
univers New Mexico State University is
there so what happened is that there was
an individual his name is Patrick his
last name is e when I saw it to me it
looked like his last name was easy but I
think they're calling it ezy so I'm just
going to call him I'm just going to call
him easy because I'm not I'm not exactly
sure how to pronounce his name but his
name is Patrick um his name is Patrick
um I'm sorry Presley his first name is
Presley Presley easy so um Mr Easy is a
nurse a traveling nurse and he was
actually in Los cruus to do some kind of
a work as a as a traveling nurse well as
he's in town for whatever reason he
decided that he was going to steal some
beer from a gas station well as as
happens you know at least some of the
time not all the time but some of the
time when you steal beer from a gas
station the gas station attendants and
the people who work there they know
notify police officers and that's
exactly what happened and sometimes if
it's not real busy police officers might
actually get there you know before the
individual has left the scene that's
what happened so police officers got on
scene after receiving a call from the
gas station workers that you know Mr
Easy had just that Mr EAS uh had just um
uh stolen some alcohol as they as they
arrived on scene police officers made
contact with Mr EAS who was in in a car
in the parking lot now as I do with all
these cases it is very important to me
that police officers have a lawful
objective before they make contact not
before they make contact but before they
detain anyone and certainly before they
use any force and here's why okay we all
see these first amendment auditor videos
where you know someone is filming on a
sidewalk and police officer saying you
have to leave and things like that I am
almost always going to be always going
to be on the side of the First Amendment
auditor because police officers don't
have a lawful objective what a lawful
objective is that's basically what
that's what gives police off officers
the the the legal reason the legality in
order to detain someone if police
officers don't have a legal reason to
detain you if police officers don't have
a legal reason to take your freedom away
and they do so anyway even if if it's by
mistake and then later on there's a use
of force I'm going to be real critical
of that use of force because officers
never should have put themselves in that
position in the first place however if
there is a lawful objective meaning that
if police officers have Reasonable
Suspicion probable cause Community
caretaker there's some legal reason that
we could all objectively look at and see
some legal reason why police officers
are there detaining someone and if at
that point if someone resists arrest or
fights with police officers the leeway
that at least at least when I do my
evaluations and breakdowns of these
cases what I'm going to when my
evaluation is going to be much more
lenient on the police officer because
they had that lawful objective so in
this case again Mr in this case Mr um
EAS um he there he he had shoplifted you
know police officers were called
officers get unseen they try to detain
Mr EAS so at this point police officers
do have a lawful objective they do have
reasonable suspicion that he had
committed a crime basically what that
means is police officers are going to be
in the right here because he had they
had reason to contact him during that
initial contact Mr E concealed his
identity so he gave police officers the
wrong name so I guess where I'm going
with this is It's not like police
officers just walked up to him and
immediately went hands on and grabbed
him and threw them on the ground not
what happened because listen if this is
a shoplifting case of alcohol you know
what typically happens with that and
I've said this multiple times what
happens most of the time with
shoplifting is that you get a ticket if
it's a misdemeanor shoplifting in New
Mexico California almost any state you
go to if you shoplift and you get caught
the cops are going to contact you
they're going to take down your
information they're probably going to
give you a ticket or a summons or a
citation they're going to give you a a
trespass notice which basically says the
business doesn't want you to come back
here all right so that's typically what
happens so anytime anyone fights with
police officers and it ends up not just
with a use of force but if it if if a
shoplifting was going to be a ticket and
it ends in an arrest I'm thinking this
went sideways and it's probably not the
fault of the officer because the officer
is like I'm just going to give this
guy a ticket I'm going to be on my way
in 10 minutes but you know if people
fight with police officers if they
conceal identity if they attack imagine
attacking a police officer fighting with
a police officer over what what is
essentially a ticket I mean that that's
completely insane it's completely nuts
so that's an education for the public
that we have to do somehow just take
your ticket it's not that big of a deal
so here's what happened is that um Mr
Easy he concealed identity from the
police officer so again again police
officer went on scene didn't drag him
out of the car didn't order him didn't
order him out of the car asked for his
information because he was going to
write him a ticket for shoplifting it
was at that point that you know when the
police officer realized that Mr E that
had given him false information that the
officer basically said okay you're going
to be placed under arrest because again
concealing identity is a crime and now
you have an individual who's not just
shoplifting but they're not telling you
who you are so that's a reasonable thing
that most police officers do when I was
working on the street that's exactly
what I would do I would not arrest
someone for shoplifting how if they gave
me a fake name yeah they're going to go
in handcuffs until I figure it out
because there's a probably a Reason Not
only is it another crime to conceal
identity now there's another reason why
they're not telling me their name it's
not it's probably not because they don't
want a ticket they probably have a
warrant so now we're into something a
little more serious so police officers
go and they try to uh arrest Mr EAS now
again the way they didn't they didn't
just shoot him through the car window as
he's as he's as he's sitting there they
didn't tase him as he's in the car they
told him to get out of the car they told
him he was detained he refused to get
out so at that point a police officer
can use force in over in order to
achieve a lawful objective what' the
police officer do he went and he grabbed
Mr E's arm and he was going to try to
guide him out of the car again this is
literally the lowest level of force at
this point they didn't shoot him they
didn't tase him they didn't use a baton
they didn't use mace or or o OC spray
they didn't stick a can9 dog on him Mr
Easy had his armed grab and the officer
was trying to trying to escort him out
of the vehicle Mr EAS resisted arrest um
he fought with police officers there
were two officers on scene eventually Mr
EAS and the two police officers ended up
on the ground what that looked like is
that Mr EAS was essentially on top of
one of the police officers and the other
officer was behind him trying to get his
hands behind his back during this a
police officer did pull out a taser and
tried to use a tried to use a Taser that
didn't work on Mr EAS during the
struggle while Mr EAS was fighting with
police officers the taser fell on the
ground and what Mr EAS did is he picked
up the taser he picked up the taser and
was holding the taser it was at that
point and you all know where this is
going because I gave it away already as
Mr E was holding the taser one police
officer fired one shot at the back of Mr
E's head um it it was a fatal injury and
he died um he died almost immediately
right there um this happened last August
so now we're over a year since this
occurred last week um roal Torres the
Attorney General of the state of New
Mexico so not the local prosecutor okay
not the local prosecutor's office but
the Attorney General of the state of New
Mexico has decided to charge has decided
to charge the the police officer um who
did who did the shooting with voluntary
manslaughter now you know I know that we
I know that we um I know that we we talk
about this stuff but manslaughter is
different from murder okay so the not
charging with murder so that's that's
going to be the thing so essentially
what voluntary manslaughter is in
layman's turns is that if you have the
intent to to kill someone you're going
to be charged with murder if you don't
have intent to kill but you have tent to
injure that's going to be manslaughter
so essentially what the da is alleging
is that um is that not only so
essentially what he was he was doing is
is he basically said that you know the
the voluntary manslaughter is that it
was an intentional act by the police
officers to harm Mr Easy well yes I mean
of course if a police officer uses uses
a firearm and shoots that firearm at the
back of someone's head yes there is an
intent to injure um however because
there there's nothing there's no other
outcome for that so we have to look was
that justified or not so let's look at
some of the reasons for or for some of
the reasons against so you know I'm I'm
I've said this multiple times is that
it's my opinion that if you have a taser
that a police officer having a taser
used to get them or any threat of that
that is a deadly threat and police
officers should see that as a deadly
threat now I know what people are going
to say so I know i' have done this a
couple times but let me just do this
real quick here's what people are going
to say so when police officers use a
Taser it's not deadly force but when you
try to use one on a cop it is deadly
force yes that's exactly it and it's a
real easy explanation the reason is is
because a it's not the actual shock it's
not the voltage it's not the 5 Seconds
that you're in Capac itated that is
going to kill you when police officers
are in the academy most of them get
tased as part of training so if the
taser itself when I was in the police
academy they tased us two different
times during taser training day okay if
that was going to kill police officers
or if the act just the action of the
taser was going to kill you well then of
course they wouldn't do it to police
officers in the academy okay so that's
not what it is the reason why it's
deadly force or why police officers
should see it as deadly force is because
if you have someone think about it this
way you someone who's fighting with a
police officer then they take one of the
police officer's weapons and now they're
using that weapon against the police
officer so if used and if it's and if it
actually works and police officers have
to think well you're taking this weapon
because you're trying to use it against
me why else would you take a police
officer's weapon so if a taser is
utilized against a police officer that
means that that police officer is
incapacitated for 5 seconds the 5-second
jolt isn't going to kill anybody but
what can kill them is being
incapacitated for 5 seconds now the
person who just tased the police officer
they can take the officer's gun and
shoot the officer they can take a rock
and smash in the officer's head do you
see where I'm going with this so if the
likely outcome or a possible outcome is
death it's reasonable that police
officers are going to see you trying to
use a Taser against them as a deadly
threat and if you take taser training
they tell you this in taser training
like again like this is the the training
that police officers get and here's
where my here is where my biggest
heartache is with this taser training
that comes from mandated State use of
force training so the state mandates
police officers to go through use of
force training in that use of force
training they tell police officers if
someone tries to use a Taser against you
that's deadly force okay cool police
officers get it they go out in the world
maybe they work for 5 years 10 years 20
years they get into a situation where
someone grabs a taser and it looks like
that person is going to use the taser
against them and then police officers go
ahead and follow that training police
officers go ahead and follow that
training and follow that training and
utilize deadly force and now we have
police officers being prosecuted that's
where my heartache is so that's what I'm
saying it's kind of how we started this
out is that there was some confusion
over this so again Garrett Rolf in
Atlanta he had charges filed against him
and then the da the new DA dismissed the
charges Christopher Sher in Grand Rapids
Michigan he's still facing charges for
this we have a police officer in New
Mexico who it took a year but he's
facing charges for this now what I'm
saying is and and here's what da Raul
Torres said during his press conference
he said he specifically said he said a
couple things so if you watch the video
is even reported in the news which isn't
really Pro police that is actually the
the actually did a Tik Tok video on this
earlier today so go ahead Tik Tok and
Instagram and Facebook over at police
law news go ahead and watch it because
even in the news they slow down um a
video that was taken by a bystander and
they even they slow it down and they
freeze frame it and the guy on the news
who again not pro police the guy on the
news he says that Mr Easy has a taser
he's holding it so so we again it's
objective evidence that Mr Easy is
actually holding the taser um in the
press conference Ru Torres the da who
filed the charges he said and I quote Mr
easy made contact with the
taser I just I don't understand that
what do you mean made contact with I
just made contact with the top of my
computer that's not that's not making
contact so um to me it just seems really
strange that that that da Torres or that
that the AG Tes would say that he didn't
say what he should have said he's going
to file charges fine but why would you
say in the media you know it's all this
is something that Ben Crump would say
this is like Ben Crump level of
dishonesty saying that Mr easy made
contact with the taser he didn't make
contact with the taser he grabbed the
taser he was holding the taser but again
a lot of people watched the the AG give
a press conference and it's important
people should watch the AG when they
when they give a press conference and
they should take what he says any
attorney general seriously but he said
that Mr E made contact with the taser
that is that is a minimization that is
um to extreme levels um so so the the
the the the the charges were filed a
voluntary manslaughter I'm really
curious to see what other people think
about this so Cajun Randy says let the
cop tell it to the judge okay just like
they say I'm I'm not sure this police
officer ever said tell it to the judge
I'm not sure if you have evidence of
that please go ahead and let me know I'm
curious to see what other what other
comments people um uh might have said um
da Torres was the or AG Torres was the
da in Bernal County um uh prior to prior
to be being the Attorney General of the
state of New Mexico uh yeah let's see
what other comments what people might be
might be saying about this um all right
I don't know if we have anything else
there on this case but yeah so that's
and that's just what I want to say is
that it's it's if you don't you know it
just once and for all police use of
force trainers judges attorneys citizens
I I just think we all need to get on the
same page so should a police officer
view a taser as a deadly weapon if an
offender tries to use it against them
because again these cases this case and
the Patrick loyal case like this is what
it boils down to and the training that
police officers receive from the state
is that they should see it as a deadly
threat so I guess I'm asking if you
don't want police officers to see this
as a deadly threat I can walk down that
path but what tool have you given police
officers to utilize in order to minimize
that so let's think about it what what
tool do police officers carry on their
belt in order to minimize that so police
officers have a gun a taser a baton an
OC spray or mace so if someone has a
taser and they can in incapacitate you
you know you can't use a baton you know
police officers aren't baseball players
you're going to hit it out of their hand
you can't use mace that that doesn't
make sense they have your taser so again
what other Force option do police
officers have in order to pres prevent
this it it just doesn't it doesn't make
it it doesn't make a whole lot of sense
um uh yeah I mean police officers aren't
like 80s uh superheroes so they where
they where they could like you know k
kick kick the taser out of someone's
hand that doesn't make any sense um so
John Johnson says so what you're saying
is that the officer due to training uh
went straight to deadly force after easy
grab the taser yeah John that's that's
that's what I'm saying is that the
individual grab the taser um he grabbed
control of the taser and the police
officer went to deadly force so I
explained why that's deadly force if you
don't think that's deadly force if you
think the police officer should do
something else when someone has control
of their taser again I'm open-minded I
want to hear it I I'm giving you my my
reasons why I think that it it is deadly
force again and that's that's because if
that taser was used against a police
officer the officer is incapacitated
can't do anything defenseless for 5
seconds and now the person who tased
them can steal their gun can take a rock
can smash in their head again like if
you're a police officer would you allow
this to happen to you well of course not
and the thing is any training any use of
force training that police officers get
are going to tell them that you cannot
allow this to happen to you you have to
avoid this by any means necessary so
again you know what what force option
would you like police officers to do and
John Johnson you know what what I talk
about criticism is I'm good with people
criticizing police officers I do it all
the time but I think it has to be honest
criticism the what I mean by honest
criticism is saying all police officers
are racist there's systematic racism all
police officers are bad like again that
that's not serious that really isn't
that really isn't honest that really
isn't honest criticism saying hey this
is what the police officer did I think
they should have done this and when you
say they should have done this point to
training policy or law to tell me what
you want the police officer to do
expecting police officers to just be
have unrealistic expectations that
really is an honest easer so what would
you like a police officer to do in that
situation and that's what I'm asking if
the state is going to train police
officers give them a taser and tell them
hey if someone tries to use this against
you that this is a deadly force
situation then police officers do that
they follow the training and then that
same state that trained them is the
state that's Prosecuting them again that
doesn't make sense so police officers
are really good at following rules I
didn't say perfect at following rules I
know people that's what the comments are
going to be you said police officers
always follow rules no no one always
follows rules I said in general police
officers are really good at following
rules and training meaning if you train
police officers to do something most of
the time they're going to do it you know
police officers are really good about
that because things are changing all the
time and police officers have to be good
at adapting to all that kind of stuff so
again what do you want police officers
to do in this situation it's happened
multiple times across the country I
wanted to I wanted to stop I John
Johnson I know you didn't mention racism
I just said in general so John Johnson
says if that officer is alone I would
agree but two officers are present so I
I so John I don't I don't know what that
means so what what what are you saying
John that that that because there's two
officers on scene that just so you know
okay so John so really quick now so the
way that tasers work now John um and I
don't know if you're a police officer
have any experience the way it works now
there's actually two cartridges inside
the taser so if someone has a taser here
so here's what used to happen with a
taser all right if you had a taser and
you fired it one time what would happen
is that if you wanted to fired again so
send out a different set different set
of probes you would have to take the
taser you'd have to eject out you'd have
to eject out and you have to put a new
cartridge in right so that that takes a
little bit of time and I can walk down
that path with you however the new
tasers the taser tens the way the way
that the the new tasers work is that you
can fire a taser and there's a second
cartridge already in there so you could
fire a taser at this cop and then then
you could fire another cartridge at
another cup so the fact that there's two
police officers on scene again that
doesn't that doesn't make a whole lot of
sense um crap Mo wants a shout out to
Jeremy DT Jeremy DT always gets a shout
out on this show so John Johnson says he
couldn't take control of easyy and the
taser from a top of easy no I don't
think so because if you watch the video
John he was on he was so it was on top
of more on top of and like behind easy
well EAS had his arm out um um Mr Easy
had his arm out stretch like this like
yeah I mean there there's there's no way
to do it at that point and again here's
the thing about this case like all the
the
we can sit here and we are sitting here
and we are sitting here um basically in
the comfort of of a nice of a nice
Studio the comfort of your own home and
we're saying what cops on the street
filing a big violent Maniac who's
fighting with you what they should do
it's it's it's it's a luxury it's a
privilege to be able to say it kind of
from the sidelines and yeah in in this
yeah um definitely from the sidelines um
so so it's you know it's one of those
it's one of those things um let's see
Steve Steve says hey Steve I know Ben
Crump is full of nonsense sense but he
makes things happen it's a s day in
America when you have to hire an
attorney to protect yourself from people
that are supposedly here to protect you
so if you think that's what Ben Crump
has done doing I I would say that you're
not being real honest Ben Crump is here
to make money um he lies and he makes
money um so so he lies and he's here to
make money um and and that's what he
does on this he's not here to protect
anyone if Ben Trump really wanted to
protect people want to protect black
lives what he would say um what he would
say is uh I mean he's he's he's not like
Jackie child from from from from
Seinfeld who get done you know he's
here to make money okay um that that's
what he's trying to do he's trying to
sue cities and municipalities Ben Crump
does a really good job doing that he is
really good he's really effective he has
a really he has a really good um he has
a really good um network of people who
work for him to get him population
Sergeant George says the taser in a bad
guy's hands is big trouble for law
enforcement yeah it it actually is uh
John Johnson ion a taser okay um let's
see um Cajun Randy you're ridiculous
today Randy um so so that's the all
right so one one more question here from
Steve do you think police in the states
would go to a place like Mexico and
treat people like they do in the states
um yeah I I don't know how relevant that
is to Mexico I don't think anyone wants
Mexico law enforcement here because you
can just bribe them um I don't I don't
think anybody wants Mexico law
enforcement anyway so that that's like
that's the case that happening here in
La last uh one more question has anyone
ever died from a tase oh crap Mo stink
that's a really good question so you
know what it actually does happen
sometimes but it's but it's really
really rare um crap Mo here's what I
mean by that is if you have someone who
has is really has a lot of medical
problems so you have someone who has
hypertension diabetes they're high out
of their mind on on coke um so you have
people who have medical problems if you
introduce a taser into that situation
yeah it's possible that that could that
could be one of the factors that kills
them um that actually does have happen
from time to time but it's very very
rare one of the reasons why I like the
taser is because I want situations to be
resolved without police officers having
to utilize deadly force so a taser is a
great weapon a great weapon system for
that in my in my opinion um okay so
we're going to go ahead and talk about a
couple other things here here really
quickly um so in LA county they just
instituted a controversial policy where
there is no bail in Los Angeles County
unless it's for a serious crime so let's
talk about that so what does no bail
mean so what that means if you're
charged with a crime um you know it used
to be like based on the seriousness of
the crime okay you're here for felony
domestic violence you're here for
misdemeanor shoplifting based on the
seriousness of your crime they would
issue you a bail so you know if you do a
shoplifting maybe your bail will be $50
and essentially what that means is hey
instead of staying here until your trial
instead of staying in jail for four
months until your trial go ahead go
about your day you have to pay us $50
now if you violate in between that time
the court has some control over you
because again they can just keep you in
jail to your trial so most of the time
bail is a good idea right because people
who are charge with misdemeanors
shoplifting uh drunk driving you don't
want those people to have to sit in jail
for four or five months but the court
does need to have some kind of control
over them bail is one of the ways that
you do that so you know it it's you you
pay your bail and you and you and you
get out um you know that's a that's a
that's thing that's happen all the time
but you know what the what the left and
kind of you know some anti- police anti-
police activists um you know what they
don't like bail they say that bail is
racist that it that it
disproportionately affects people who
are poor and you know what I I I hear
that so you know I I think that I think
that when when people say that um that
you know that poverty shouldn't be
criminalized that you shouldn't stay in
jail or be criminalized that you know
just because you're poor that shouldn't
be a de facto criminal criminal offense
um and I get it I'm I'm I'm
compassionate to that um I think that's
actually kind of a compelling argument
because because you know what the vast
majority of people don't want to see the
status of someone being poor the reason
that someone is in jail however you know
there's a lot of people who oppose zero
bail because this could lead to an even
bigger you know swinging revolving door
of criminals who are arrested released
arrested released and you know there's
really no penalty you know they they
they they get arrested they um they they
they go to jail and they're just let
right out they go back into the same
thing and same person is arrested 30 or
40 times over a year I mean that is that
is pretty that is pretty um pretty
offensive to a lot of people so you know
it's not really about punishing poverty
but we want to keep people in jail if
they're going to continue to reoffend um
because we know that like this and other
soft on crime policies have just made
cities um less safe and lower the
quality of life for everyone in in the
community again we've all heard the
stories about people arrested you know a
dozen times in a year and they don't
really care because they're going to get
arrested and they just get back out so
um ell county has instituted uh
controversial no bail policy so I'll be
curious I hope someone is tracking
hopefully there's some smart data person
who is tracking this somehow say okay
all these people they would have been
issued a bail but they weren't so let's
see how they do over the next year are
they going to reoffend more are they
going to reoffend less is this is it
going to be the same so I really think
that when we create public policy that
we really should do it not just based on
emotion so saying saying bail bail only
hurts only hurts poor people and it's
nonsense we should never do it that's an
emotional argument the same thing from
the other side saying that you know
everybody has to have bail and we should
barely let that I mean that that's an
emotional argument I'm really curious
about facts and data so let's track
these people for the next year let's see
how it goes and I wish everyone could
come to an agreement I wish politicians
would say hey we're going to track this
for the next year if the reism rate so
if if the rate of these people being
arrested while they're on bail goes up
or if arrests or crimes go up you know
be with a Nex to this then we're going
to go ahead and get rid of it now let's
say it works let's say it works I'm good
if it works what I want is for crime to
be lowered I care very little about how
much bail people pay and I care far more
about how much crime is being committed
how many new victims are out there when
it comes to violent and property crime
um so yeah so let's that that's the
that's my uh that's my thing there uh
let's see any questions on that uh
cinjun Randy says a blanket no bail is
unconstitutional yeah there yeah cjun
they're still doing it for felony crime
so if you're charged with uh you know
homicide criminal sexual assault um
aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon
or something you're still going to get
bail for those this is mostly for
misdemeanor cases domestic violence
drunk driving shoplifting stuff like
that so like I said I I care I care I
care very little about so what I want is
the goal the less crime is the goal the
tools we use to get there I think we
should have a conversation about those
tools bail isn't is is in that category
so you know we'll see how this goes um
my guess is crime is going to go up and
that these people are just going to
offend more I don't think it's going to
work at doesn't make a whole lot of
sense um one more comment here John
Johnson in 2017 in Glendale Arizona an
officer tased him in 12 times he was
under control by three cops and uh uh
let's see um he's under control by three
cops the officer dry tase and pulled his
shorts down exposing his scrotum yeah so
I again so John Johnson so again if
that's the case that you're going to
site to of you know I don't know what
you're citing to um but so that case so
let's do this a couple different ways so
it's 20 23 if your best example of
anything is 6 years old then then that
means police officers have been doing
pretty good we have two Mill 250 million
police contacts every single year six
years ago I'm not good at math I went to
law school I don't have a math degree
but to me that seems like about 1.5
billion contacts so uh you know
0.00000000 9% of the time is what we're
talking about with this case all right
so again so there's been 1 .5 billion
Citizen Police contacts since the case
that you mentioned and if what you
mentioned that happened in Glendale
Colorado uh or Glendale Arizona my guess
is if you and I both look at this case
if we have we have a drink and we both
look at this case we're both going to
say yeah that's up the police
officers shouldn't have done that and um
they should probably be fired or face
some kind of a charge so we're probably
going to agree because police officers
do messed up that sounds like one of the
cases where they do let me just say
something else about that some being
someone being tased 12 different times
um yeah so 12 different times so
typically most police departments you
have to justify every time you use the
taser per use of force policy I happen
to think that's a really good policy
anytime you pull the trigger on the
taser and someone gets another 5-second
jolt you have to say exactly why you did
it you have to justify it it has to be
the third time you taste someone has to
be just as lawful and reasonable as the
first time that you taste someone you
can't just do it because you've done it
well I've done it twice and may as well
do it two more times not how it works
police officers have to and they should
have to justify every single application
of force um so so yeah so I mean most
police departments you know um you're
not supposed to you know per policy tase
someone more than three times um so one
one L thing I'm going to say about it if
you taste someone 11 times and it hasn't
worked how about this try something else
guys so to me that seems like um the
officer is totally messed up and uh John
um my my guess is I would uh I would
agree with you on that it was not
exposed until it was investigated by the
local news yeah I'll have to look into
that John I don't I don't know so here's
what should happen John um the
individual who is tased um well again
that that it should all be on body
camera it should be in use of force
reports the individual who is tased
should contact his friends or family and
say hey this is what happened they
should go ahead and hire an attorney and
um investigate it that's how this should
happen so um yeah uh yeah and again uh
John if if Glendale police covered up
the facts that's wrong I'm gonna agree
with you that's wrong and I'm going to
say that's bad leadership from the
police department those people shouldn't
be in charge of a police department
anymore so we're probably going to agree
on that John um all right so the last
case that I'm gonna I'm going to talk
about this is a really strange one this
happened in Connecticut so a 51-year-old
woman um uh named Su Susan L price um
over in Bristol Connecticut um she
doesn't have any criminal history okay
this lady Susan doesn't have any
criminal history apparently she
volunteers at a church well she went out
drinking one night and you know a lot of
times you know people like when they go
out drink and they might you they might
do a little some sometimes strange
things they don't do this she went into
the Bristol Connecticut Police
Department um at 11:00 at night walked
into the police station and started
firing at the bulletproof glass um
luckily um uh yeah and listen I I know
that volunteering at a at a church is is
uh uh stressful and um yeah but um it
doesn't make any sense that uh that she
would that she would do this um so what
so what happened is she um she went in
she started firing grounds at the
bulletproof glass um police officer in
the substation they fired back at the
bulletproof glass good thing is neither
side it worked because the the the
bulletproof shatterproof glass actually
worked and no rounds went through um
yeah Bristol Connecticut Su Susan lprice
um at some point she at some point she
um at some point she dropped the gun
police officers had a plan in place
which is good this shows good police
work so a what what bad police work
would be is that as soon as she dropped
the gun officers rounded the corner went
out there and started firing at her
that's not what they did she dropped the
gun police officers used that
opportunity to to run out there and they
they you they they utilized a taser and
they got her into custody without having
to um uh sustain any gunshots or any or
any serious injuries that is the that is
the preference even if someone shoots at
police officers if they stop shooting at
police officers they don't have the gun
anymore and there's a way to take these
people into custody without using deadly
for Force that's what police officers
should do that's how I want police
officers to handle situations if
possible that being said kind of like in
the in in the Presley easy case um there
just isn't a there just isn't a whole
lot police officers can do in a
situation like that yeah crap most
Stakes she snap that know yeah Susan L
price Bristol Connecticut um the the
surveillance video is available it's
wild to watch all right that's going to
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