lady. She's on the porch. On July 8th, 2023, Austin police officers responded to the home of an elderly couple in Oel, Georgia after a routine argument escalated. The wife claimed that her husband had threatened her with a gun. Hey, ma'am. Where is he? I think he went out back. There are two sheds that he uses to build things. as a as a man fave. When I went in the back bathroom to call the police, I thought I heard the back door of the house and I believe he's in the yard now back there. Okay, just hang tight for a minute. Okay. Yes, sir. His name is Noah. Noah. Old dude, long sideburns. Can't miss him. Probably got suspenders on here. He's never been up here. Not that I know. She's one with the mutton chops, right? Yeah. Sometimes I've seen him in wheelchair. He does carry all the time. You know that Gibbons. Hey there. Can we see your hands? Huh? Stand by. Stand by. Can we see your hands? You got your gun on you? Oh, I don't. Okay. What's going on there, man? Woman does not have a little bit of consideration. She won't hush when I ask her to. Okay. Somebody. Okay. She went She went to uh Dobbins that she saw some stuff over there. Oh, it's got, you know, it's a it's got a uh um basically strange. She saw some keyboards that she thought she wanted. So, we brought them later. She doesn't want them. So, I took them back. I asked her. I said, "Dear, which credit card did you use to spy these? It must have been hers. She won't let me have her credit card to return it. Mhm. So when I was there, the lady says, "Would you like a gift card for the return?" I said, "I don't know anything about that. Normally I use this." She said, "Well, we put it on that." So now she wants to say, "Okay, we're going to go back up there because you did this and you did that." I didn't do a damn thing. So I went up there and told her, "Look, this is your map already." Uh, by the way, did you ask her if she's armed? No, she called she called us to say that you had a gun and you pointed it at her. Is that what I heard? I wouldn't dare point a gun at somebody. I'm a range instructor. Okay. Where is your gun? Don't Don't know how. I'm going to go into my pocket, get my ID out. Well, then I got to pack you down first. Uhuh. Don't do that, man. Oh, sorry. Well, you done did it now. Here. Why would she call us and say you pointed a gun at her? Cuz I have one out. It's not for her. It's for me. Okay. Now, by the way, we've already established that if she calls the police again, you guys are supposed to take her to an emergency room for a psychological test. Yeah, we can't do that. I know. Okay. Would you care to check my my my quarters? Well, I know you I know you own a gun. That's not the question. I I know that you have one. So, we'll let up to her calling us. We'll let up to her calling us after me out shouting everything just yelling back and forth over the keyboards. I can yell very loudly. Okay. I got you. Okay. Well, if you don't mind, will you come stand over here so we can at least keep an eye cuz we know you do have weapons. Just come over here with us, please. I beg you pardon. I'm a little deaf and if you speak quickly, I can't bother you. Just Just walk with us over here. Sure. Do you want to take me away? No, I didn't say that. We just know you. I know, but you know you guys, we just got to make sure we can keep an eye on you. That's all. Since y'all have weapons here. Yes, we have weapons. All right. Will you just wait right here and stand by with Officer Mario, please? Hey, so tell me what happened from beginning to end. Okay. I had finished taking my shower. Okay. I had waited a couple hours to try to come. He had came home. He told me the bill for $2300 at the base PX. uh that the woman he talked the woman into putting on my personal credit card which I had been advised take my personal bank accounts that I had charged this with and instead on his card and I said this isn't I don't even know how you how this happens but I need to pay the bill uh and We need to go Monday and straighten this out. You don't access my credit card. The Mason and the things we went through when mother and dad died. That's why there's a separate one. How you did this, I don't know, but we need to go Monday and take care of this at the PX. Oh, she's outside. She made it all the way outside. Normally, she doesn't move around much. Okay. That's your wife? Yeah. How long have y'all been married? Well, we were married in 2004, but we lived together about 10 years before that. I am her fourth husband. So, y'all been together since 94. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, I think after a while she'd be a little considerate. I don't drink. I don't go. I don't gamble. I'm not a pervert. Yeah. Uh I'm 75. I don't give her Okay. I don't mess around. Yeah. Uh, I give her anything she wants, but she's found God in second life. And that's why I'm a psychiatrist and so forth. Anise started yelling and bellowing Marine Corps fashion, full horse and volume. Uh, I don't know what's wrong with you. You need to get your head fixed. Uh, you uh uh you need to shut up. I said, "You need to calm down. We need to take care of this." And he's he's had a heart attack, so he spits when he gets into his face. He pulled a firearm out of his decaying pocket. Uh he But I I think I was taught with the NRA if it's not leveled on you, it's legal as long as it's pointed downward. He did not level it on me. Okay. And this crap today, my credit card, this my that. Where did all this [ __ ] come from? Mhm. From July July 19th to the August 25th, she decided to go off on a tantrum last month and stayed at a hotel someplace in Harum. Okay. So, when the bills came in, they told me exactly what she was. I didn't bother her, but you ran up a credit card bill of $10,000. Oh, it's all paid up. No, I paid it off. Yeah. Over the year. Uh, he pulled it out of his truck. I said, "Use it and put it away about three times and I switched to command tongue." Uh, I was not in the service that long as an army chapl. He was in for 10 years as a marine and air force. But that usually doesn't work with a man anyway that knows. I used it. He put it back in his pocket. He turned and he left and I had set off my medical pendant. Uh let me So she doesn't seem to be very considerate. Matter of fact, every time I go out, I go to buy something for her. I I had a nose bed coming down uh Potter Springs Road. Okay. I don't know what caused that, but instead of coming straight home, I wipe things up. Got a Burger King change and some pies. Do you need medical assistance at all? No, except to sit down. In the last year, after 10 years, I finally started being able to walk again. And I'm up. That's good. My back is not knotted and numb like when my legs are buckled sometimes. I'm out of the wheelchair. I would like to sit down shortly, but no. Okay. I I I don't think I need medical attention at the moment. Okay. Thank you for asking. Yes, ma'am. Do you think you guys can stay separated until things cool off? Maybe he can stay out in his barn and you stay in the house. We tried that for 2 and 1/2 months. Yes. Okay. Oh. Um I went to a hotel. So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to I'm going to talk to Mr. Given tell him to stay in his shed for a little while, let things cool down. If when he does come back in the house and you guys are around each other, if y'all have any issues um that leads to a argument, anything like that, don't hesitate to call us back. Okay, I can call you back even if he doesn't level it on me. I don't even know what my rights are anymore. It's 821 radio. He doesn't need medical. Okay, let me go talk to him. Okay, Mr. G, do me a favor, sir. Just stay in the shed for a little while. Just stay out in the shed for a little while. Just till things calm down. I love to. Okay. Just till things calm down. Every night at 4:00, I'm in. Mhm. It's family time. I got to come in 3:45, set the TV up, turn the damn thing on. I put on a half an hour program that she likes and then a mystery thing. And by 16:45, she sound asleep. But I'm not turn around and look at her because if she says something and you know I don't hear very well. So I turn around and try to look at her. Well, every time you every time you I look up, you looking at me, staring at me. No, she was back in her sleep. I got you. So now we're not allowed to turn around. So I got to stay turned around facing away from her until she awakens again. I got you. Well, last week it was 2 hours. get her get her to her doctor when she has her appointment. That way she can get seen. Um and just do me a favor, stay out in that shed just for a little while. Let she does this [ __ ] again. Can't you guys do something? Um I mean we can contact the ambulance, have them come take a look at her, but as far as us taking her to the hospital, we can't just do that without a 10:13 and that has to be signed by a doctor. So Well, I wonder if I can get in touch with Dr. McCluth possibly. Yeah. And you can go that route. So, we're going to get out of here. Um, just try to stay out there for a little while. Let things pick back up, don't hesitate to call. By the way, I know you guys don't have to worry about it, but if you have somebody that needs to call the notary, we've never charged. Okay, awesome. And I have gone through the crap about being cognizant so far. Luckily, we have one at the police department, so it's easy for us. Thank you, Mr. G. You have a good one. Okay. I know you said he didn't point it at you. Um, did he make a threat to use it? Did he say anything with it? They just have it by his side or what? No, sir. I cannot say he made a threat vocally. It was implied. Uh the VA uh DCP Choice Care said, "Get a hold of the doctors. He's escalating again. He has had uh violence counseling once. He has been required a second time. The entire office quit or he was out. I've had three doctor's offices quit like that. Okay. Did he Did you think that he would use it? Yes, sir. I did. Are you afraid of him at that moment? Yes, I am. These escalations usually go on for a half a day. How often does he use Does he present a weapon while y'all arguing? He has. This is new after 3 years. There was twice within two months before we separated, but he pointed it at his head, not at me. The threat was not to me prior to this. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I forgot something. Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. Now, I'm a range instructor and I'm usually armed. Okay. He just patted me down, but he missed it. What did he miss? I forgot. What did he miss? I'm armed. Where? I don't don't I'm going to put my entire Now you see my little pockets over here. Okay. No, don't don't touch. Okay. One of those on that side. Okay. Try it. See if you can find it. Well, you said it's all on the right side. Yeah. Is it in the same the same pocket? Same side on this side. And you're good with me doing that? Sure. You're good with me doing that? I'm asking you to check. Next time you may end up Where is it? Is this it? What is this? What is this? set came out. Go ahead. Hang on, Mr. Given. Yeah. Okay. I forgot. You got it. You sure you still have it on you? Yeah. What is it? Small. Easy. I got to go right. You give me a pickup. Mhm. for you guys. If you need to and you see somebody with pants like this, check the little pockets. Ouch. I hooked my left arm. Got it. Okay. Now, see the right hand pocket on the bottom? The little one. This one here. Yeah. Okay. Where the other guy go to? It's There's nothing in this little pocket. Shall I Sir, I don't remember your name. Hang on one second. Yeah. 8211 radio 115. All right. Yeah. Check it out. What all is in your pocket? There is a U Charter Arms 22 Magnum. Okay. Revolver. Okay. In that lower pocket. Okay. But you got to find it. Well, that's fine. I'm going to search you. Good. That's what I want you to do. That way next time you see one somebody like this. Got it? Not yet. Wrong. I'm just getting started. Upper. Upper. I'm not done. I'm working my way through your pockets. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm going through every one of them. Okay. You should have found it. Okay. What's your name? Alexander. Alexander. See the two pockets that are like each other? It should be right there on the right hand side. It's not in there. No. You don't have a weapon. Two. Both of us check. I thought I had it. Ouch. It hurts. There you go. Now see if it's in that pocket. Got a lot of stuff. Yeah. You want to take my hat off, put it in my hat? Yep. Great idea. Yeah. I'm just I'm just looking for for basic answers. If he's if he's ever actually punched you or hit you or pushed you down, that kind of stuff. Physical. Negative, sir. Okay. He has raised his fist today. He has been So, this is the first time he's pulled a gun out and implied that he would use it against you. Yes, sir. Okay. The other two times he put it into his house. How many weapons does he own? Sure. We're both veterans. I think I have four weapons myself and he must have about 10. Okay. John's allowed home. Where's the one that he uh had with him today? Is it in that shed? Uh when he left me, it was as I'm facing him in his fatigue uh upper uh left pocket. Nope. Your firearm is not on you, sir. Oh yeah. Throw it up. Is it in the shed? No. It was It would If it was anything, it would be right in his right hand pocket. Come with me. Yep. Ouch. Ouch. Can you do something with his left arm? What do you want me to do with it, sir? Ease the ease the cop. There you go. It's pretty loose. I can fit three fingers in there. Yeah. It's hurting the wrist. Uh cup. Okay. Hello, dear. Pardon? Hello. I thought that I had my uh little friend with me. Am I going in? Yep. Have a seat. May I ask for? Huh? May I ask for? Sit down and I'll explain everything to you in just a second. Okay. You in? All right. Are you copying or hostel? Hostile, sir. So, as of right now, you're being placed under arrest for simple assault cuz your wife did fear for her life when you pulled your gun out and put it beside your side. Okay. So, that's that's why you're being placed in handcuffs and in the back of the car. We're going to be I'm going to transport you over to Cobb County Adult Detention Center. Okay. I'm going to crack your window. No, I'm just letting you know. Ma'am, do you mind if we go into that shed in the back? Not at all. To just We're only there to get that one weapon because that's the one. The only time I tried to go back there, he lifted the cane over his head and threatened me with it. I What What does the gun look like that he had today? I believe it was a small black um it wasn't nickel plated. It was the black uh small subnose 38 I believe. So okay. So it's a revolver. It's black and nickel plated. No, I just can't Bluey was it was black and I can't remember the term at the moment. Small 38. Okay. Hey sir, I'm going to read you something real quick. Mhm. I'm going to read you something real quick. Oh, that's my right. I'm I'mma read I'm going to talk kind of loud. Okay. Can you hear me? I can hear you. Yeah. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him or her present with you while you are being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning. If you wish, you can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer my questions or make any statements. Do you understand your rights as I have explained to you? Uh, yes, sir. Having these rights in mind, are you willing to answer my questions now? I think uh it would be better to talk to the lawyer, man. Okay. If that's all I have with you guys. I That's your right. That way I won't stupid. That's your right. Well, she's given us permission to go into the shed. Um Okay. So, we're going to look see if that gun's laying out somewhere. And if it is, we'll take it and log it. Evidence. I'll have to read it just to make sure it's okay. Okay. He loaded up. Okay. Yes, she did. I'm not digging through his stuff. No, we got there it is. Yeah. 38 snow. She said 38 snow. She She said something like black with bluing or nickel plate. It's probably this one. Either one. A snub nose. Oh [ __ ] Sorry, man. [ __ ] hell. I'm looking at it. You walking into my [ __ ] All right, man. Um, we're taking both. I guess I don't know which one it was. She called it a snubnse. So, she described it as black with bluing and snub nose and nickel plated. That's what I think, too. But 38 snub nose. They're actually technically both snub noses. One's just more snub than the other. Huh? Or maybe she should go into the public. That's G. May I come in? Would you be able to identify which one it is? I think so. And it would be this one. Okay. This one rounds in it. Unmarked. That's unusual. There's never a rug that is not loaded. They're useless. Then there was this one in a case. No, I did not have the brown handle that was lighter like that. To me, it was this one. Okay. We're going to leave this one here. This one's in the case. Yep. We'll leave this one with you. Okay. All right, sir. You do with it as you please. He was arrested, charged with simple assault, and taken to jail for booking. 104 one mil ABC 831.