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case that we're going to get into and
this is a case that happened back in
2018 and we've actually talked about it
on this show a couple different times
but it kind of just wrapped up this week
so I think it's important to really talk
about an update in the Ben Derby case
now one of the reasons why I want to
talk about this case is because it's
extremely controversial because this is
a case where if I'm being objective I
can look and I can actually point to
that there were definitely things that
the police officer did wrong now a lot
of times when police officers do
something wrong it's not that it's not
the fault of the police officer but
there are a lot of things that police
departments can do on the front end to
try to prevent that in order to preserve
constitutional rights and to make sure
everything is safer not only for
Citizens but for police officers in the
Ben Darby case this is one of those
cases so this happened back in 2018 in
Huntsville Alabama and here's what
happened police officers were dispatched
to a man named Jeffrey Parker he was
suicidal and he called for police
officers so police officers arrive on
scene and Mr Parker you know he's he's
alone in the house and he's armed with a
gun so you know a lot of times with
police departments you know so much of
this of what happens in these situations
it's really based on what on the the
policy and the training that police
departments have so again like I said if
there are things that the police
department can do on the front end to
prevent some of these things to put in
not only a good culture but good policy
and good training you know that's how we
avoid a lot of these situations so now
we have a situation where a man like
Jeffrey Parker is threatening suicide
with a gun he's at the house no one else
is at risk no one else is in danger
listen this is a situation where you
know the Paradigm has shifted in law
enforcement so for a long time so I
started policing in 2005 and you know
the thinking was okay if someone is
threatening suicide we have to do
everything we can to get them help so
it's not that police officers or police
leaders or managers had any like bad
intent where they're like you know we're
going to violate people's rights we're
going to get into use of force with
people like the intent like actually was
hey we need to get these people help and
the idea of someone wants to commit
suicide they're armed with a weapon well
good luck we're just going to leave you
there like that wasn't how police
departments operated but here's what
happened around the country is that the
worst possible scenario is that police
officers essentially Force contact with
people who are suicidal and during that
forced contact they get into a use of
force or Worse police officers end up
killing the person that they were trying
to help in the first place and just from
a common sense perspective how much
sense does that make someone wants to
kill themselves police officers are
there because they try to help so then
police officers end up killing the
individual like I mean that is literally
the worst possible outcome for not only
the person but for police officer so
there has to be better policy and
training so my opinion and this is
really again the Paradigm Shift where
law enforcement agencies have gone is
that if someone is threatening suicide
and if they're alone in a home and no
one else is in danger police officers
try to make contact they use Crisis
Intervention they use crisis negotiators
maybe they break a window and throw in a
phone so you know they could try to talk
to the individual they try to
communicate they bring in um different
resources and a lot of times what they
try to do is they'll you know worst case
scenario they'll slip like pieces of
paper with like um uh resources and
phone numbers um on it so try to get
people help but what police departments
typically don't do anymore and again
this is a good thing this is a good
change that I've seen in law enforcement
over the last 19 years is that police
officers almost if no one else is in
danger they typically don't they
typically don't um um Force contact with
individuals who haven't committed a
crime and that has to be on the policy
level so again expecting police officers
and sergeants to just make these
decisions you know in the moment you
know hopefully they do that but in
general the best thing to do is for
police departments to train officers on
how do you respond to these situations
because these kinds of calls are going
to happen in every single jurisdiction
in the country and this did happen in
hunsville Alabama in 2018 police
officers were dispatched to uh home of
Jeffrey Parker who was um suicidal he
was armed with a gun two police officers
arrived on scene a male officer and a
female officer now in a situation like
this when you have someone armed with a
gun you would think that police officers
might be a little safe they might like
you know pie around the door they might
have some covering concealment that's
not what they did the female police
officer was the first one in there she's
standing there not with her gun in her
hand no weapon systems in her hand not
behind cover not behind concealment just
sitting there Jeffrey Parker's armed
with a gun he's holding it in his lap
he's putting it to his head he's moving
the gun around and again she's just
standing there yet trying to negotiate
with him trying to calm him down I guess
but again unbelievably unsafe there was
a male officer who was standing behind
her he did have his handgun out handgun
was not pointed at Mr Parker and he
wasn't even really in view of Mr Parker
because he was standing behind the
female officer so again this is
unbelievably
incredibly ridiculous um almost insane
shocking from an off officer safety
point of view what that female officer
was doing what the first male officer
was allowing her how they were
conducting themselves dealing with Mr
Parker Ben Derby AR is Ben Derby is also
dispatched he arrives on scene and he
sees this and his first thought is holy
[ __ ] what is going on this is an
unbelievably unsafe situation now I
think we should when we talk about you
know criticizing police officers I'm
good with it and what we the way and
I've said this before and so you all
know this is the way that I think we
should criticize police officers if
something happens I think that General
criticism like all cops are bad all cops
are racist all cops are just trying to
bash people in the head like that isn't
really honest criticism and you know
what it really just it really just isn't
isn't all that interesting so what I
think is interesting and this is the
best place to have this is the best
place to have uh the the conversation is
that hey a poli this is what the police
officer did however this is what they
should have done and this is why and
then point to law policy or training you
know and that's how we have honest
conversations if the goal is to make
policing better if it the goal is to
make it so that there is less violence
between citizens and police officers
that's what I want that's why I have
these conversations that's one of the
reasons why we do this show on this
channel so when Ben Darby gets there
here's what I would preferred Ben Derby
immediately recognized that the
situation was unsafe objectively the
situation was unsafe now here's what I
would have preferred Ben Derby to do or
one of the other two officers on scene
or a supervisor police officers in
general here's what I would have
preferred to do you get there you
recognize that the scene is unsafe tell
those two off officers to get the hell
out of there back up again there's no
hurry right Mr Parker is inside no one
else is in danger there's no reason to
force this you can back up you can call
supervisor you can call tactical you
call crisis negotiation you can call all
these different things the idea that a
police officer has to stand in an
unbelievably unsafe Place talking to Mr
talking to Mr um uh Parker makes
absolutely zero sense it's act it's
insane from uh from a officer safety
standpoint so the the fact that officer
Derby was upset irritated um confused
about why these officers were being so
unsafe not unreasonable right not not
unreasonable to think that at all um Ben
Derby he says a couple things what he
says is that he says hey he can shoot
you point your gun at him and he starts
giving the officers some direction again
this is on his body camera however the
officers don't do that even though B
Derby says Point your gun at him B Derby
says this is unsafe he says hey he can
shoot you like get behind cover
concealment so what Ben Derby decides to
do after being on scene for less than a
minute he essentially makes the decision
to bypass the other two officers and
essentially take control of an extremely
unsafe situation again there's no doubt
in my mind that the situation was unsafe
that is the diagnosis that's the problem
I don't think anyone could say anything
different now his solution I'm not crazy
about his solution his solution was you
know his first solution was to try to
get these two officers to do something
safer you know maybe try to negotiate
with the officer say hey back up let's
back up let's get Sergeant over here
let's get the lieutenant over here let's
get crisis negotiation so so I I wish
that again it's easy for me to say from
the comfort of this nice Studio but you
know that's what I want not only Ben
Derby to do but police officers going
forward to do and again if we don't have
this conversation then this might happen
again I don't want stuff like this to
happen again so what Ben Derby does he
decides to take over the situation which
isn't a bad thing to do however what he
did his his his solution to the problem
he essentially bypassed the other two
officers he was armed with a shotgun and
he pointed the shotgun directly at Mr
Parker and started to give Mr Parker
commands he gave Mr Parker commands to
drop the gun he gave him commands seven
different times now Mr Parker had the
gun in his hand uh it was it was pointed
down pointed at his head at the time
that officer Darby went in there the gun
was pointed at Mr Parker's head now
here's what officer Derby said that
after giving him the command to drop the
gun seven different times officer Darby
said that from his head that the gun
started to go towards the officer and he
said that's why because officer Darby
did fire um uh did use deadly force and
did kill Mr Parker officer Darby said he
did that because from the gunpo at the
head started to go towards towards
officer Derby started to point the gun
in the direction of the officer that's
why he utilized deadly force now the
attorneys who you know weren't there but
the attorneys for the Parker family said
no that's not what happened he was
actually in the process of trying to
drop the weapon um he wasn't pointing at
the cop he was trying to drop the weapon
so again these are the the differences
of opinion could you imagine a situation
where you're officer Darby and you're
there and and Mr Parker is trying to
drop the gun but you think it's coming
towards you you know in a situation like
that is it possible that that that could
be yeah I would also say that if you're
in a situation where someone has the gun
to their head if they move it in any
direction again from going to your head
to shooting you that even if you have a
gun pointed on someone there's nothing
you can do they have the drop on you so
literally there's nothing the officer
can do there you know for lack of better
term behind the eightball you know what
I mean there's there's nothing the
officer can do someone can shoot you
faster than you can react even for for
officer Darby police officers are not
superheroes okay so um officer Darby um
did fire that weapon so the the this
case and he did Kill and he did kill um
uh crap most stank says I believe the
body cam is is is uh body cam is
evidence yeah there is body cam evidence
for this case and I love body camera
footage obviously so um Ben Derby he was
investigated by the police department
Internal Affairs they looked at the case
and they decided uh that he didn't do
anything wrong that you know what he did
was legal was it with within the law um
City attorneys the legal they looked at
it they said that officer Derby didn't
violate any laws either um and actually
the first two officers who were there on
scene they actually had to go to
remedial training so they went to
remedial training for how unsafe they
were so Ben Derby he gets no discipline
they say yeah you know what you did was
within the law and and within the
training that we've given you um also
the other two officers um who Ben Derby
thought were being unsafe you know the
department said yeah you guys were being
unsafe that's not how we trained you to
handle situations like this so um those
two officers went to training Ben Derby
went back to work he's doing his thing a
little while later um he was prosecuted
by the da the da decided to file charges
the da filed murdered charges against
Ben Derby now what they did what they
did is that um now what the da said is
they went to they went to uh uh they
went to Ben Darby and basically what the
da said is uh is and basically what they
said is that um what they said is that
uh hey we're going to charge you with
murder but you know would offer you a
plea deal so basically the plea deal
that they offered Ben Darby is that if
you plead guilty I think they wanted to
plead guilty to manslaughter if you
plead guilty we'll put you on probation
for a couple years you won't do any jail
time and that but you have to give up
your police officer certification and
we'll resolve this case now Ben Darby
said hey like I didn't do anything wrong
I acted within the law and I did
everything that you know I was supposed
to do it was actually investigated I was
investigated and it was found that I
didn't do anything wrong that you know I
didn't violate any policies or law um
the other two officers were the ones who
were disciplined and had to go to
training for not being safe um so Ben
Derby rejected that plea deal so they
went to court when they went to court he
was found guilty um now a couple thing
guilty of murder he was sentenced to 25
years in prison now something that's a
little bit strange about this case is
that typically police officers so when
police officers can use force that
that's governed by case law right we
have case law we know when police
officers are allowed to use force that
case is called Graham versus
okay so Graham versus Connor you know
basically has different parameters about
when police officers legally can use
Force so you know basically you know
what typically happens when police
officer charged with murder is you know
everyone brings out this Graham versus
Connor case it's not a random case it's
literally the case for officer involved
use of force and they say okay this use
of force by police officers doesn't
comply with graham versus Connor and
what's legally available again this is
what you know people who represent
Plains who sue police departments
they're the one who pushed for this
Graham versus Connor standard right this
wasn't police officers who pushed for
the standard this was this was a
plaintiff's attorney who was
representing someone who wanted this
standard and that's exactly what that's
exactly what the uh the the the the
Supreme Court came up with so but for
whatever reason is that the trial judge
wouldn't allow any of that testimony any
of that evidence any of that legal
standard to be in which is really
strange for an officer involved case
again like you know if you're going to
charge a police officer that's fine but
the training the police officer got in
the laws that they been taught to follow
like that's relevant right we all know
that's relevant because that's how every
case is so obviously Ben Darby's
attorneys um started to appeal um
started to appeal this case he was in
prison for 20 months uh 20 months um at
20 months in prison this past spring I
think it was in April um the court of
appeals in Alabama actually overturned
the conviction for the exact reasons
that I'm saying when this case came down
you can go back and look at this Channel
or some of my writings on substack and
and Tik Tok on police law news that I
said the same thing that like this is
ridiculous because like we know what the
legal standard is I'm not making up the
legal standard like this is what the
legal standard is it's Graham versus
Connor to not have that be part of the
jury instructions and the jury not be
able to hear it is is completely insane
um and that's exactly what the Supreme
Court said is that the trial judge made
multiple different errors in this case
so again it was the the the Errors By
the trial judge were so extreme that the
conviction was overturned Ben Derby was
free so now we have a situation where
you know we were all kind of thinking
everybody who's kind of interested in
this stuff and especially you know Ben
Derby and then the the Mr Parker his his
family and their attorneys were all
wondering well are the prosecutors what
what are they going to do are they going
to try to re retry officer Derby and you
know it's kind of what we thought was
going to happen that officer Derby that
he was going to go to court a second
time only he was going to have the
benefit of having like the same legal
protections and the same like uh uh the
same so basically under the same rules
that that the trial judge screwed up the
first time right so okay he's going to
go to trial again but like you know
under a situation that's fair right
under the law and um that's what we kind
of thought was going to happen figured
he would probably win because you know
that that's kind of what we thought
would happen because again it was
already ruled on by the city that he
didn't commit any crimes or violate any
policies so um however last week October
13th Ben Darby's legal team um and Ben
Darby did come to an agreement with the
prosecutor to a plea deal he where he
pled guilty to manslaughter um he's
going to serve three years of probation
but he's not going to do any jail time
now that sounds eerily similar to the
exact same plea deal that the prosecutor
had initially offered so um you again if
if hindsight was 2020 you know Ben Darby
could have done the exact same plea deal
but not have to spend 20 months in jail
so again hindsight is 2020 you don't
always know that's going to happen um
but yes so he essentially pled guilty
now there's a lot of people who are
saying um that you know that I think
someone even said here in the comments
that 25 years isn't enough they want Ben
Derby to do um go to prison for his
entire life even though he shot someone
who's pointing a gun at him other people
on the other side are saying hey hey Ben
Derby didn't do anything wrong he didn't
commit a crime he followed his training
he followed the law someone pointed a
gun at him and he responded as any
reasonable person or police officer
would respond when a gun is pointed at
you those people would say hey uh let's
have let's have a crazy person point a
gun at you and let's see how you respond
okay then we'll go ahead and judge you
on that and put you in prison for 25
years so again I can make I'm not going
to make both arguments but like those
are both both arguments on that side and
I've heard a lot from the Ben Derby
sides that you know he shouldn't have he
should have stuck to his principles he
shouldn't have he shouldn't have he
shouldn't have pled guilty well listen
it's great to be principled okay that's
important but you know what's more
important than being principled it's
more important to be free so I think
that Ben Derby did the right thing three
years of probation he's never going to
have to serve another day in jail um I
think that's the best way forward um his
wife kelen Derby has been on all kinds
of different podcasts really ad
advocating him the last couple years she
was on failure to stop she's been on
almost like every major police podcast
that you can think of um if you Google
kein Darby she's also a police sergeant
in a different um agency in Alabama very
active on on this side trying to keep
his name um in the news that's why I
live in a different state and that's why
I knew about this case pretty much from
the beginning because of kelen Darby's
um social media presence uh Instagram at
stand with Darby you can find all of
this stuff whether you agree or disagree
um so to Ben dar and Keen derby um move
on enjoy life you guys deserve it really
curious about your questions on this so
Brian March says 25 years is not enough
okay yeah some people feel that way some
people feel that um Ben Derby shouldn't
have done the shouldn't have fired the
weapon but you know what I see a lot
about in this case is that it's so
people who don't like police officers no
matter what cops are going to do are
going to be dishonest and no matter what
they do they're going to say that but
you know I I really think that that the
more interesting conversation is you
know okay what can the police department
going forward if you're a police manager
if you're a police Sergeant what can you
do on the front end to try to make sure
this doesn't happen again because even
though I don't think Ben Darby committed
a crime do we like the outcome no do we
want this outcome in other cases no we
actually want the opposite outcome so
how do we do that and it really has to
do with training so we need training for
police officers and we need policy we
need both of those you know the the the
the thing is I've talked about this
before is that train good hiring good
policy managers and and subject matter
experts for police departments that's
really expensive okay giving police
officers like really good high quality
training that's really expensive that
costs more money so it it's just it it
always strikes me as ironic that the
same people who are saying that police
officers are terrible and they need more
training and education and experience
are the same people who also say defund
the police well you can't have both
that's that's dishonest so no we don't
need to defund the police if anything we
need to put more money in on the front
end when it comes to training and
educating police officers and for
resources like Crisis Intervention
because even though again I don't think
Ben Derby committed a crime this is a
bad outcome right anytime a police
officer has to kill has to kill someone
or does kill someone the line of duty
that's a bad outcome city leaders police
leaders you know City attorneys you know
police officers even unions groups that
represent police officers they should be
able to say hey we don't want this to
happen how can we do this what can we do
as a system so this doesn't happen again
and again a situation like this I
honestly think it's avoidable if someone
is suicidal in their own home and no one
else is in danger law enforcement should
not be forcing contact I think that's a
bad idea okay I'm really curious to see
if anybody thinks anything differently
and again it's not because I'm cold or
callous I don't want anybody to kill
themselves but I don't want police
officers I don't want law enforcement to
make anything worse um yeah hungry for
herb says yeah sounds a bit harsh and
strange yeah I agree I don't think he
should have been convicted and again the
court of appeals agrees um that he
shouldn't have been uh convicted um
either um you know like I said had had
all of the had the court rulings um
um and and the the the Motions gone the
way that most police shootings are you
know where Ben Derby had you know was
afforded all of his constitutional
rights he wouldn't have been convicted
um hey Deborah from Los Angeles good to
see you okay so the next case that we're
going to talk about is the main Mass
shooter so this is the case it's
actually still going on right now um so
a couple nights ago on October 25th
there was a mass shooting in Le Town
Maine um it's been reported it was first
reported that 22 people were killed and
50 to 60 people were injured um it turns
out now at least as of four minutes
before this show started that uh it's
been it's been uh reported that 18
people are dead I think the number of
injured is still 50 to 60 people so so
essentially what happened in this case
is is a 40-year-old individual and
here's the things that we know about him
from the mainstream media okay we know
that he's a 40-year-old white man uh
that the weapon system that he utilized
was an assault assault weapon even
though there's no such thing as an
assault weapon um he's an army reservist
um he was a Firearms instructor um he
did leave a suicide note um he had been
committed to a Mental Health Institute
um for two weeks this past summer and he
had uh one of the reasons why um he had
the this he was he was um uh committed
to a mental institution for two weeks is
because he had reportedly been hearing
voices and he threatened to shoot up the
National Guard base in Sako or Seiko
Maine as a CEO I'm not sure how to
pronounce it in the National Guard base
in Maine so those are things we know
about him what he did is so apparently
he was a pretty big cornhole player he
would play cornhole and and one of the
places that he targeted you know looking
at some of the social media posts it was
a was a bar in Maine that last winter he
actually was part of the cornhole
tournament I saw some cell phon video of
him you know playing in the cornhole
tournament so these were people that he
had just been you know socialized with
um um at one point um he was he was
either at the bar the bowling alley that
you know was reported by some of his
family that he started to wear
headphones like big heavy thick
headphones when he would go into some of
these places because he thought that
people were talking about him because he
was hearing voices um so clearly this is
someone who was suffering from Mental
Illness but because of his um because of
his firearms background his military
background um he's also an avid boater
so he knows how to use boats and stuff
like that um he's you know dangerous not
only dangerous but um he's going to be
difficult for law enforcement more
difficult for law enforcement um to find
so he did go into a bowling alley um
there's an active shooter situation
there where he shot and killed a bunch
of people then he went over to a bar
that the bar that he used to play
cornhole at and then he went to a third
location and shot all of these people um
they were able to track his white Subaru
SUV down this kind of a this like kind
of like a desolate Road where it
essentially ends at a at a trail head
and where there's a boat launch and um
so um it's hard to know exactly what law
enforcement is thinking but you know
from what we can gather is that it seems
like he may have had a boat waiting for
him and that was his getaway so
apparently um the river um that that he
was or the lake that he was on goes to a
river that goes through all through the
state of Maine even connects to New York
City so um even I saw the the the
commissioner of the New York Police
Department even talk about how they've
sent his picture out to um all the
police officers there um so that is that
is a tragedy um again this happened a
couple nights ago and as a four minutes
before the show started he still is not
in custody so just hoping that um he
doesn't harm anyone else and that law
enforcement can get him into custody
without anybody else being injured so
I'm sure we'll have an update on that
case next week um so a lot of these
cases even tragic cases like this you
know there are ancillary issues I call
them that are around this where you know
there's there's politics and there's
policy and there's law around all of
this stuff so you know really even
before all of the bodies were identified
people like Gavin Newsome the governor
of of California you know again before
all the bodies were identified before we
knew how many people were shot and dead
he put out a tweet that said Republican
in Maine rejected a bill this year that
would have required a waiting period for
firearm purchases they seriously cannot
fathom waiting 72 hours to buy a gun
Maine also does not ban assault weapons
require permits to carry a gun in public
or require background checks on gun
sales um so listen here's here's the
thing about this um any politician that
wants to ban guns or confiscate guns how
about this let's let's just put this in
place that if you're thinking about
doing that that you have to volunteer to
be on the team that collects 300 million
guns from long buing biting citizens
also I think that we should have a new
rule essentially we're not going to give
out any political points for snarky
tweets um those points aren't going to
be awarded until the offender is in
custody okay um so when I look at things
like this um you know I again it it's
it's important to take we can look at
some of this stuff seriously and say
because the idea okay we had this
tragedy that happened again the guy
isn't even in custody yet hopefully we
have no more victims who die but the
idea of hey on a policy level on a on a
law level what can we do to prevent this
from happening again like that's not an
unreasonable discussion to have we
should have that discussion so I think
again we all agree with the problem
we've all diagnosed the problem but
what's the solution okay now I'm going
to say just because you have a different
solution doesn't mean that someone's a
bad person you know I've heard I've seen
other Democrats uh tweet tweet things
out that uh tweet out things that say
you know um uh Republicans like guns
more than people again like that's not
honest that's that is um that's
absolutely insane because that's not
that's not what Republicans think at all
so let's just break down a couple of so
here's what I'm saying so so first of
all some of the things with guns that
Gavin new some wants I don't think that
a lot of them are constitutional so so I
think we should all you know be for the
Constitution but let's put that aside
let's let's let's put that aside for
just a second let's assume it's it's
constitutional or we do it in a way
that's constitutional so this mass
shooting that just happened this guy who
was in the military who up until very
recently you know would have been able
to purchase a firearm right up until he
was um committed to a mental health
hospital for a couple weeks this summer
he would have been able to um he ABS he
absolutely would have been able to
purchase a firearm so all of the laws
that have ever been in place so all of
the laws that have ever been in place um
when it comes to when it comes to you
know gun control um again there's
literally nothing in in law that even if
everything the Democrats have wanted
right there's nothing or everything that
Gavin Nome had wanted there's literally
nothing that would have prevented this
in my opinion but but you know correct
me correct me if I if I'm if I'm wrong
um I I also want to say that you know
that in main the VA um has been causing
there's been some problems with with
with veterans when it comes to uh
medications um as well so I think that
that's an issue with people committing
these crimes when they're under
different psychological medications I
think that's probably more of a Nexus
than almost almost anything else but
let's talk about these things so so he
said that uh so Gavin Nome said that the
bill that was rejected by main
Republicans would have required a
waiting period for firearm purchases
okay so so listen so if this guy had
purchased a gun immediately and then
within you know 5 10 hours he would have
committed these crimes so he had no guns
he bought a gun and immediately went to
do that meaning that if there were a
72-hour kind of a waiting period maybe
that could have prevented it so so again
so would that have solved this
particular case well no so that doesn't
make any sense because again this guy
he's been an army reservist for 20 years
he's had access to guns for 20 years so
let's say last year they put in a
72-hour thing when you have to buy guns
would this have would that have affected
this in any way would this have not
saying it's constitutional but again
would that have prevented this in any
way well the answer answer is no of
course not because again this guy has
had access to firearms for 20 years so
again if you're going to say these
things you know at least put a Nexus so
he has guns he's had guns for 20 years
again the 72-hour thing would not have
prevented this if you think I'm wrong
and you think that a 72-hour to purchase
72-hour waiting period to purchase new
Firearms would have prevented this
tragedy because that's what we're
talking about again maybe I'm wrong tell
me how I'm wrong I I I would I really
want to hear the criticism um also he
says that Maine does not ban assault
weapons well you're right um main does
not ban assault first of all there's no
such thing as an assault weapon okay um
ArmaLite rifle is is is what an AR
stands for it's not assault rifle or
assault weapon there there is nothing
there is there there is there is nothing
um considered considered assault assault
weapons knives kill people as well um
baseball bats kill people as well um
Tweets in sight violence and riots and
and again um if you look at what an
AR-15 is or an AR-15 platform style gun
is it's basically you know I get it
looks scary especially if you know guns
but you know it's a semi-automatic
weapon which means you pull the trigger
one time and one bullet comes out it's
not an automatic weapon automatic
weapons are typically illegal yes you
can get automatic weapons the permitting
process in order to get an automatic
weapon and they're unbelievably
expensive I can tell you as you know
almost 20 years as a police officer I've
only seen automatic weapons a couple
times and that's in a very very violent
city so they're not common you can get
them but again it's really really really
difficult to get a machine gun or
anything like that and certainly that
wasn't used in in in this crime um so
yes so again so let's do this even if
you ban assault weapons meaning that
you're not going to sell any more
assault weapons okay well would that
have prevented this particular crime
well let's have a conversation there
he's had guns for 20 years this guy has
had guns for 20 years so again last year
if they had passed an assault weapons
ban where they didn't sell any more
assault weapons or AR-15 type weapons
again like he's had guns for 20 years it
wouldn't have mattered also I should say
that there's a black market and I know
it may sound may be strange to some
people but if you're going to violate
the murder law um is it possible that
you might be in the category of people
who violate the not having an AR-15 law
yes probably also it's not like Banning
assault weapons or Banning AR-15s it's
going to make them all automatically dis
disappear there's over a 100 million
AR-15s probably more that's what we know
of that's a conservative estimate of
what we know of there could be 200 300
million but let's just go with the
lowest number there are at least a 100
million AR-15s in the country no one not
even not even the very liberal Democrats
are advocating that anyone that we
collect all of those that by force
because again there's no way to do it we
don't have enough police officers to
literally Patrol the streets murder
rates are an all-time high in a lot of
different cities and so there there's no
way for police officers to go and do
that also let me just say this so let me
just so so cops and the cops and lawyers
were not good at math um but this is a
very easy math problem okay so I like
when when there is math I like it to be
very simple there's 100 million AR-15s
out there okay um there are
approximately 500 murders a year or
homicides a year or gun deaths a year
with AR-15s okay now most of those are
Justified Justified and lawful
self-defense okay so 2/3 34 80% the vast
majority of those cases like it was a
lawful use but let's pretend it's not
it's not lawful okay so let's say we
have 500 you know for a lack of better
term bad shootings with AR-15s so we
have 500 shootings 500 a year with 100
million guns do you know what that means
that means that literally I'm not joking
here literally
99.9999 9998 n that's the percentage of
people who own an AR is that the the
conservative level of only a 100 only
100 million AR-15s or there's probably
more but literally
99.999999999% of people who own an AR-15
have done nothing wrong with an AR-15
and never will so again when we're
talking about crime and targeting crime
we're talking about crime and targeting
crime you're literally going to Target
something that over well over 99% of the
people who have the thing aren't
committing crime we should also not
forget about you know what the feds have
done when it comes to Fast and Furious
running guns into Mexico um but I mean
so again so the idea that I said even
very liberal Democrats aren't saying
that we should go and confiscate guns
because it's ridiculous so even an
assault rifle ban leaves 100 million to
200 300 million assault rifles still
there um require a background check on
all gun sales okay well when you go and
buy a gun at a gun store there's a
background check so what basically um
Gavin Nome is talking about is private
gun sale so if I sell a gun to my uh to
my mom to my sister if I sell a gun to
um uh anyone else uh to to a friend a
friend at work um no if it's a private
sale you don't have to um you don't have
to do any kind of a background check so
so okay so okay well let's let's have
that conversation so is what Gavin new
him saying that the only reason that
this guy got this gun was because of a
private sale and that had he had a
background check done he wouldn't have
passed it is that what he's alleging I
mean again this guy was in the National
Guard still is in the National Guard for
20 years up until this past summer when
he was in a mental institution for two
weeks he would have passed any
background check so again if you're
going to suggest these things and not
only suggest these things but say the
other side is basically silly or insane
for not adopting these things you have
to have some kind of a Nexus there and
there just isn't Nexus there so again
this guy hasn't been caught yet hoping
he is hoping we have an update next week
week where he is all right so the last
case I'm going to talk about and this is
an absolute tragic case we covered this
a couple weeks ago um it's these
teenagers in Las Vegas so these
teenagers in Las Vegas Jesus sayala and
Jesus sayala and jasmer is's an
18-year-old and jasmer keys um uh uh
they basically killed the retired police
officer Andreas propest in Las Vegas
Nevada a couple months ago you remember
this case so they were basically on a
crime spree not only were they on a
crime spree but they were videotaping
their crimes their crime spree with
their cell phones um so what they what
they did with with Mr propest is uh that
they um uh is what they um uh he was
riding his he was riding his bike uh
early in the morning like he did he was
a retired police chief living in living
in Las Vegas um he would ride his bike
almost every morning to try to stay in
shape um what he would do what they did
is as they came up behind him they hit
him with the car they laughed about it
he flew over um again he was an older
guy not older guy he was in the 60s um
he ended up dying from that they were
arrested um when we look at their cell
phone video um they had actually done
that to someone else earlier in the day
um so again all of this was on video
they were before they did it they were
saying hit him hit him hit him so um
again when this happened they were 16
and 17 years old one of them has turned
18 cents I it's absolutely just just
pure evil to to to do this um so they
were they were charged um they were
charged um both charged as adults they
have been charged with murder and
multiple other charges they're being
charged as adults which is absolute good
thing well the update is that they were
in court this week in Clark County Court
um and in court what they were doing is
they were laughing in court and they
were giving the finger to the the Widow
and the family of Mr propes they were
giving they were giving them the finger
and laughing in court and um uh you know
I would just say that a couple of life
sentences that should wipe the smugness
off of their faces um I just can't
imagine being this evil at this young of
an age uh this kind of behavior is
learned and we really should kill
whatever culture is allowing this to
exist it's absolutely disgusting so we
will keep an eye out on that as well um
let's see if we have any other comments
uh let's see autistic shill I've been on
both sides of the issue talking about
the gun issue um let's see uh let's see
I wish for guns to be off the streets um
but that's not realistic and the cudata
is a good example yeah no I I think
that's so you know I think you know for
a lot of people I think they say you
know if we could go back to the
beginning and if we could say hey do we
want guns on the street or not um you
know I could see people you know arguing
in in in both directions for that I
think that's a that's an interesting
debate to have should we have guns or
not but that's that's not and I think
that a lot of especially people on the
left that's the conversation they want
to have they want to have a conversation
let let's go back a couple hundred years
and have the conversation whether or not
we should have guns when in reality we
do have guns we have you know hundreds
of millions of guns on the street there
is literally there's literally no way um
there's literally no way to get them all
off the street to confiscate all of them
so what do we do now again I it's my
opinion that it's more reasonable to say
okay this is the situation we have now
how are we best to go forward you know
what are the laws that are within the
Constitution that are reasonable that
you know not only make Community safer
but also are in line with the
Constitution you know how can we achieve
both in the actual world not not in not
in some fantasy about how we wish things
would have been a couple hundred years
ago but living in the actual World um
hungry for herb says I'm a demn because
I voted for Obama but this is crazy for
Newsome to say that now I'm from La yeah
you know hungry for herb you know
there's a lot of uh Democrats uh um
Centrist people who voted for Obama um
especially the 2008 version of Obama who
uh don't even recognize the Democratic
party now um so yeah that's not a it's
not an un an unreasonable unreasonable
thing um you know a lot of people don't
like Gavin Nome um even people who are
who are on the left um this is this is
one of the reasons why again it's like
kind of just like I I just again I'm
just I'm just a guy here who who has a
show here on Copwatch TV which is the
best body cam Channel out there but I
was easily able to go through and show
the three or four snarky things that
Gavin Nome gleefully you know creepily
gleefully couldn't wait to tweet out
about this case literally if all of them
had been in place it wouldn't have
stopped the shooting so I mean just it's
just utter it's utter absolute nonsense
all right so that's going to be our show
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I'm really hoping that uh this guy out
in Maine is captured and um there are no
more innocent victims in that particular
case that's the main one that we'll be
watching as we go into the week um all
right everyone have a safe weekend and
we'll see you next
week