good afternoon this is Daniel here with
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chat we have a couple different
controversial cases I think you're going
to find really interesting all right so
the first case we're going to talk about
this happened in Hillsboro County
Florida which is essentially right
outside of Tampa or right in the Tampa
Bay area so what happened was is a
mother called police sheriff's deputies
with the Hillsboro County Sheriff's
Department she called deputies and she
basically reported that her son a
28-year-old named Ralph boozy that he
was having a mental health crisis
essentially he's in the middle of a
mental health crisis so she called for
police officers to assist her so
deputies two deputies with the Hillsboro
County Sheriff's Department of Florida
they went ahead and responded to that
call for service and when they got on
scene they found the individual so
28-year-old Ralph boozy they found him
in a vehicle parked in front of the in
front of the house well the first thing
they did is they went ahead and they
made contact with the mom and they made
contact with Mr boozy who again is in
the driver's seat of the vehicle and
what police officers did is they
essentially tried to they essentially
tried to convince Mr boozy to get out of
the car in order to in order to get him
some help basically take him for a
mental health evaluation so at this
point the you know the mom call didn't
allege any kind of crime so it there's
no you know probable cause for a police
officer to detain him or to take him in
jail or anything like that so um so it's
it's one of those things where um they
tried to convince him to come out but Mr
boozy essentially wasn't having it so he
took off in the car and at that point
the police officers just let him go they
didn't they didn't get into a car chase
they didn't send other officers to go
try to find him because again and that
was the correct decision from police
officers because again he hadn't
committed a crime there's no probable
cause for arrest well a little while
later while police officers are still on
the scene they're outside the house near
their police vehicles they're still
talking to the mom and it's at that
point that Mr boozy comes back on scene
in his vehicle and he ambushes the
police officers the way that he does
that he essentially drives his car
towards them accelerates and crashes
into the police officers into their cars
they're barely able to escape without
being completely crushed however two
officers are struck by Mr boozy's
vehicle one of one of the one of the one
of the officers um he's a Corporal his
name is Carlos brto um his injuries are
so severe that he's probably going to
have to have one of his leg legs
amputated and one of the other off the
other Deputy Deputy Manuel Santos he
suffered a broken leg as well so after
this happened after the crash you know
you can imagine it's pretty much just
chaos however Ralph boozy what he what
he does it's just really creepy it's all
on body camera video it's really really
odd and spooky what he does is he gets
out of the car and just casually just
starts walking in the middle of the
street towards his house I mean it's an
absolute just crazy thing he's he's
walking away he's walking away towards
the house now police officers they they
they get up to the best they can though
the one officer is still on the ground
and they start giving him commands and
you know really what they do is they
start giving him commands and
essentially they pull out tasers in
order to utilize a less lethal option so
just think about this so here you have
that the deputies are ambushed they are
nearly killed and instead of utilizing
deadly force or anything like that and
he is reaching into his pockets and
stuff like that deadly force likely
would have been justified in a situation
like that instead of doing that the
deputies give taser warnings they say
Taser Taser Taser but multiple times
it's not just they don't just tase them
right away they give him multiple over
and over again warnings that he's going
to be tased so even though the deputies
were almost killed they in order to get
Mr boozi into custody they use less
lethal force a taser in order to get him
into custody so they do is they they do
uh tase him one time the taser is
effective and he does go down he is
handcuffed and and just think about that
so it's like the level of restraint that
the police officers the deputies use in
that situation is is essentially it's
it's unknown to most humans in a
situation like that because because of
how how the the the stress and the
adrenaline after almost being killed and
the individual who did it being so
restrained that all you do is utilize a
taser so um that is that is unbelievable
professionalism at work right there now
there's a couple different things about
Mr boozy that I think is that I think
that we have to talk about Ethan I'll
answer that here in a second sir um so
that I think we actually have to talk
about is that is that you know in this
case so Mr Mr boozy he wasn't he this
wasn't his first run in with police
officer so he had actually been arrested
13 different times for misdemeanor
crimes he had been arrested three
different times for felonies there was a
case back in 2017 where Mr boozy was
involved in a hit and run he left the
scene during arrest he punched the
deputy in the face and then he
threatened to kill police officers and
he said that he hated law enforcement
and he was going to kill a police
officer and you know the thing is is
that is that when someone when someone
says that they're going to kill a police
officer we should believe them and you
know that's the kind of person that
maybe we should lock away in a cage
until they can convince us otherwise um
so that's the first case that I want to
talk about um it it it's it's an
incredible case um and uh I'm curious to
see if anybody has any uh has any uh
comments on that looks like Sergeant
George says there's no amount of
training that you would have um as an
let's see if we go back to Sergeant
George's comment there uh there's no
amount of training you would have as a
social worker uh you would have had
enough when it comes to Ralph yeah so so
this is the kind of thing where uh yeah
so a lot of times so let's think about
this way that's a really good comment
Sergeant George so a lot of time there
are people who say and you know
sometimes there are different different
entities inside police departments where
they're they're not all bad some of some
of them can be SB can be a good idea
where essentially they say you know if
someone isn't is is in the throws of a
mental health emergency then maybe we
should just call a social worker well
this is an individual where no of course
a social worker this is absolutely not
the kind of thing that a social worker
should go to and this is absolutely why
something like that um in in with the
the Albuquerque Police Department in
2005 um there was an individual named
John Hyde and there was a mental health
pickup order um tragically two two
police officers um that responded to
that call were shot and killed there was
a mental health pickup order um officers
Mike King and uh Richard Smith um they
were they were um unfortunately and
tragically killed while in a call for
service dealing with someone who was in
the throws of of of of a mental health
crisis so um so the I the idea that
someone that we can just call social
workers in order to to deal with these
people you know that isn't always the
thing now what happens sometimes and a
lot of police departments and a lot of
police departments have this where you
know not only do they dispatch police
officers but once the situation is safe
the individual's under arrest they're
under control they're handcuffed they're
in the backseat of a car or they're
otherwise you know not in a space where
they can hurt people now once the
situation is controlled at that point
calling in mental health C counselors
calling in social workers in order to
help at that point that isn't a bad idea
that's more resources that could be
reasonable that the idea that the First
Responders that are going to be
dispatched aren't police officers when
dealing with this kind of stuff just
doesn't make really any sense um let's
see Ethan ask where I'm from in Illinois
I grew up on the south side of Chicago
and then I went to college at Western
Illinois University in mome Illinois
after that I've been living out here in
the southwest for almost 19 years I'm
the Southwest part of the country but I
spent 22 years in Illinois and there's a
lot of things I like about Chicago and
about Western Illinois okay so that's
that that's that first case um I don't
know if anybody watches uh the podcast
failure to stop um it's the podcast and
and that was started by Mike the cop um
one of the regulars on there um his name
is Andrew Baxter he goes as Drew Breezy
um he's actually from the sheriff's
department he retired as a lieutenant a
couple years ago I've actually been on
that show a couple times uh failure to
stop it's a really good podcast but my
bu's going back and forth with Andrew
Baxter about this earlier today because
this is the sheriff's department that he
just retired from a couple years ago and
he actually knows the two officers who
who were injured um so we were talking a
little bit about that earlier today um
they they are suffering serious injuries
like I said the Corporal um is luckely
going to have to have his leg amputated
it is just amazing and incredible that
the police officer survived because this
was captured not only on body camera
footage but also on surveillance camera
footage um so it's
absolutely it's absolutely crazy uh
looks like we have an anti- police
activist in here so we'll go ahead and
read one com comments um when I see a
cop uh let's see um uh let's see oh
someone said there's no good cops that
there's there would be no bad cops well
again that doesn't make any sense so
let's just say it this way there's
800,000 police officers okay if anyone's
going to say that there these police
officers go out every single day and
they risk their lives yes of course are
there going to be some bad cops yes are
they going to make mistakes yes but I
actually just looked into this recently
so so when we look at the the statistics
of cops being arrested um you know it's
about 400 cops a year so take it this
way so there's 800,000 police officers
about 400 are arrested a year so that is
so far below the average number um for
normal citizens that it is it is crazy
and you could say well cops aren't going
to arrest themselves I'm going to say
it's the exact opposite way it's because
that 80% of police officers have body
cameras so you know and all most of that
body camera footage we're on a body
camera Channel now most of that body
camera footage you can get through a
public record request
everybody has cell phones there
surveillance cameras everywhere so like
I said the idea that this is like the
1970s where police officers can just go
about violate people's rights and commit
crimes and no one's going to find out I
mean that's absolutely crazy we know
that isn't reality in 2023 still despite
that there's only 400 cops a year who
are arrested out of 800,000 so um yeah I
mean it's it's the idea that um uh uh
cops are are you know criminals as well
um they do make mistakes but the idea
that that that's a normal thing um the
the the data the scien just doesn't back
that up a whole lot um okay so the next
case that I'm going to talk about is uh
this is a really strange case um and you
know I I the memes on this the meme game
on this is absolutely it's one of the
best thing some of the the still
photographs that have been taken from
this case are just are just absolutely
crazy it looks like like this is this is
this is some kind of a movie so um you
know essentially the theme of this is
don't block traffic all right so this is
a retired lawyer um retired lawyer
retired University Professor his name is
Kenneth Darlington he's 77 years old um
I've heard that he has dual citizenship
both here and also in Panama so there
there's some there are some kinds of um
a protests that are going on in Panama
some kind of a deal that the Panama
government reached with restarting some
kind of a copper mine either way um the
these these environmental protesters
were blocking traffic well this retired
American lawyer and the retired American
lawyer in univers Professor 77 years old
he's down in Panama and the road is
blocked and again it's it's I've said
this before on a bunch of different a
bunch of different episodes of this case
that we've done that that we've done but
but essentially don't block traffic
because no matter what happens when you
block traffic no matter what you are
actually going for uh the you're just
going to irritate normal people and
there's just there there's there there's
no way that you're going to have any
sympathy from anyone um so usually a a
lot of these protesters they show up
driving a 1980s truck and uh yeah I I
mean this is something this is something
um from a movie so um what what Mr
Darlington did is you know the road was
blocked he got out of his truck he
walked up and as he was walking up one
of the witnesses reports that he said
something to the effect of this ends
here he walked up towards the protesters
and he was armed with a firearm so he
was upset he was armed with a firearm
and even then they wouldn't go ahead and
leave the road they wouldn't stop what
they were doing and and you know there
was some local media on the scene
because they were they were um um you
know filming this protest so there were
local media who was right there on the
scene and one of the protesters this is
reported by the local media there in
Panama one of the protesters said
something to to the effect of why don't
you shoot and then other people started
shouting are you going to kill someone
it was it was a uh then someone else
then then Mr Darlington he reportedly
said do you want to be the first it was
at that point that he opened fire he
shot two people in broad daylight it's
on video um the victims were um teachers
who were protesting named Abdel Diaz and
Ivon Rodriguez um and they died on the
scene um I mean this just this is just
shows how just how upset and irritated
that he was when when it comes to this
blocking of the traffic and you know I
just have a couple takeaways from this
and again it's don't block traffic ever
because you're going to lose pretty much
all sympathy points but just because
someone's blocking traffic you can't go
ahead and shoot people even if you're in
Panama even if you were a retired lawyer
and a university Professor you obviously
cannot shoot people for blocking traffic
even if they deserve it unlike a basic
human decency level you just can't go
ahead and do it let's see if people have
comments about that uh Stacy Griffin
says uh where I don't like we have
crooked cops no one likes crooked cops
again no one hates crooked cops more
than regular cops who go out there every
single day and risks their lives for
this job um
let's see uh let's see if we have any
other comments on this case when it
comes to uh blocking traffic I mean we
see that this happens here a lot of
these environmental protesters they've
been doing this in Europe a whole lot
there's a group called just stop oil
that really is they're really big in
Europe they're the one to go around to
all the different museums and they you
know a spray painting and uh uh uh uh
damaging old uh old paintings and stuff
like that um uh let's see um the
sergeant George says the media
definitely got their money's worth yeah
they absolutely did because again the
the still photographs that that they
took of Mr Darlington um again it looks
like it's it's for a movie cover um it
it's absolutely crazy um like I said
it's tragic that people lost their lives
um but people are going to get upset so
so on a criminal level no of course you
cannot shoot and kill people you cannot
use violence against people for blocking
traffic but it is incredibly irritating
and how much how annoyed people are
going to get this kind of thing is going
to happen happen so again and again
you're not I've never heard of anyone
saying you know what these people who
are blocking traffic who are making
people late to work making it so you
can't pick up your kids who are
basically interfering with everybody
else's normal daily life I've never
heard of that winning someone over right
so all it does is irritate people and
again if you're going to block traffic
no matter what you stand for I'm going
to be opposed to it you know it's just
absolutely crazy I think that's how a
lot of people feel um okay so this this
next case that we're going to talk about
is um it it's basically another
vigilante incident that happened in New
York City and and this one is is pretty
wild and we've had a couple of these
recently right so um the one before this
if you remember and and it's relevant to
this one because when you're in a
situation especially in New York City
and there's a crime happening in front
of you and you're a normal person and
you're and you're asking yourself should
I step in um sh should I step in should
I um should I do something should should
I should I not do something um it it's
it's one of those things where what
happened recently it actually matters so
um like I said so so the Daniel Penney
case that that has to be the Daniel
Penney case absolutely has to be inside
everyone's mind when it comes to and
Daniel peny so he was on the train with
the individual Jordan Neely and it was
reported that Jordan Neely was mentally
ill and he was threatening people um on
the on the on the train they're locked
into Subway card it's not like anybody
can go anywhere there were women elderly
women children and Daniel and and Jordan
NE was threatening these people Daniel
Penney put him in some kind of some kind
of a Chokehold tragically Jordan Neely
lost his life obviously that wasn't the
intent now Daniel Penney is charged with
murder those charges are still pending
so now we have this incident that
happened in New York City a couple days
ago so there was a 43-year-old so this
happened um Tuesday night around 9:15
p.m. um at a New York City subway
station a 43-year-old named John wrote
um essentially he's walking around the
subway station just gots off and here's
what he sees he sees a homeless man um
ended up being like a like a 29-year-old
homeless a 49y old homeless man named
Matthew Ro and he was essentially
actively robbing a female robbing a
woman right there in I mean it's
nighttime but right there in the public
he's physically robbing her robbery is a
violent crime so um Mr wrote he sees
this and okay so now again so now he
sees he has a couple different options
and everybody in this situation is going
to have a couple different options so
I'm really curious to see what everybody
thinks is the best thing to do in a
situation like this so the first thing
that you can do you just walk away you
can say okay there's a violent crime
happening there I don't want to get
involved there's other people here I'm
not going to be an active bystander I'm
just going to completely leave the scene
he could have walked the other way the
other thing that he could have done he
could have just called police and that's
what a lot of people are going to say
and I'm not saying that that's a bad
idea maybe before you take any action
yourself the first thing you should do
is to call for police officers at least
to get emergency people on the way so
once maybe that's the best thing to do
I'm not going to argue with that right
so but you have to know that if you call
police officers what's the response time
by the time it goes to the the operator
to dispatch the police officer even if
there's an officer right there at the
subway station which maybe there is even
if there's an officer right there the
idea that they're going to be there in
one or two minutes that is unlikely and
when someone is in the middle of being
victimized the victim of a violent crime
again you may not have a minute or two
so the response time at minimum is going
to be several minutes so not saying it's
a bad idea but the idea that you can
just call for police tell them what
happened and walk away again a lot of
people aren't going to be good with that
because you have an innocent victim also
okay then okay so now what can you do
you can go ahead and you could try to
contact the individual you could try to
get involved well if you get involved
let's say you get involved and let's say
you know again not everybody has
training not everybody was a police
officer not everyone is a is is a
bodybuilder or a boxer or train MMA you
know this guy John rote he's a 43y old
guy he may have he' never been in a
fight in his entire life so the idea
that he's is going to go in and contact
someone who's in the middle of
committing a violent felony let's say
they they get into a physical
altercation well if you get into a
physical altercation and you lose that
physical altercation right near the
subway tracks you could be thrown onto
the subway tracks and die so again that
isn't that isn't necessarily a good
option either now let's say you get into
that physical into that physical um
altercation like Daniel Penny and you
win and let's say I'm not going to try
to kill this person I'm going to try to
use this choke hoold that I've been
train choke hoold isn't the right word I
know people are going to get on me about
them I'm going to try to use this
submission hold essentially hold this
person here for police but then
something doesn't go right because
nothing happens in training in the real
world like it does in training and
something goes wrong and the individual
dies or gets seriously injured now even
though you were trying to do the right
thing you were going about your day as a
normal person you see someone being
victimized and you make the decision I'm
going to try to help someone out and in
that moment maybe the person who is
actually committing the crime ends up
getting hurt or dying now you're charged
so now you can face criminal prosecution
because of that so here here's what Mr
rot decided to do we Okay we went
through kind of like what his options
are now here's what he decided to do he
pretty pretty calmly he has a backpack
on he puts the backpack on the ground he
starts rifling through it this is all in
surveillance camera video he starts
rifling through it and he pulls out a
handgun he pulls out a hand gun you
could see him start yelling something in
the direction of the robbery that's
taking place and then he fires a couple
shots now these were warning shots so he
didn't fire it at the criminal he didn't
fire it at anyone they were warning
shots kind of in the air above was
happening no one was struck by the
gunfire well that made the robbery stop
so the individual Matthew Ro who was
committing the robbery he stopped um uh
kind of like Batman after this was over
like like a like a ghost John
rot left the scene police officers came
they arrested Matt Matthew Ro the real
criminal they arrested him for um
robbery um then the New York City Police
Department um they decided to use their
limited resources in order to try to
find Mr rot because he stopped the
robbery now again maybe he didn't stop
stopped the robbery the exact way that
the politicians who run the New York
City Police Department wanted him to
stop the robbery but he stopped the
robbery so what they did is they put his
picture all over they put his picture
all all over the news um someone at his
job um recognized him and he was
arrested so he was arrested and he was
charged with some some you know nonsense
something like criminal possession of a
weapon reckless endangerment um menacing
you know essentially like negligent use
of a firearm stuff like that so okay so
let's I'm really curious to what you do
you think he should have been charged
and what else could he have done so I
went through some of the options and you
know I'm not saying that it was a bad
idea for him to pull out the firearm I
think that was again getting into a
brawl with someone near the subway
tracks where again if you lose you could
be thrown onto the subway and die and if
you win and you harm someone you could
be charged with some kind of a crime so
since you have a weapon hopefully he's
trained on the weapon though because he
fired warning shots I'm not so sure you
know maybe what he should have done
let's talk about this maybe what he
should have done is still pull out the
weapon and kind of like a show of force
just like just like police officers do
you have a show of force you know give
commands let the individual know that
you have the firearm be ready to use it
but do more of a show of force instead
of firing warning shots because again
police officers aren't allowed to fire
warning shots because that's considered
deadly force so again I'm not crazy
about the warning shots um I would have
preferred and again again this doesn't
always go this isn't always perfect but
yes I I like the idea of pulling out the
firearm maybe getting a little bit
closer um giving some kind of commands
or Warnings or something like that but
warning shots you know um I I I and
again you know a warning shot um
basically the the the bullet could hit
someone else so um yeah so and and you
know what just me says that uh uh New
York City gun laws suck they absolutely
do and then they'll arrest him for
brandishing just me you're 100% right so
you're right so let's say he walked up
to the person he had the gun kind of at
a low ready he gave commands and the
person stopped could they go ahead and
rest him for the criminal possession of
a weapon assault all that kind yes but
you know it's one of those things where
it's like we don't want people to just
walk away we don't want people to not do
anything I'm just trying to think of
what can a person do in a situation like
this to basically stop the violent crime
and also make it so they're safe and
hopefully that they get prosecuted um as
little as possible or obviously
hopefully not prosecuted at all so that
that was that was that was an
interesting with with that case and um
there's just a lot of things that that
could happen in a in in a situation like
this and again Mr rot he's not the bad
guy here he's the good guy he's the hero
in this thing because he actually
stopped the violent crime from happening
and again a lot of people and I asked
the same question when it came to Daniel
Penny and Jordan Neely you know if you
want to know who the bad guy is and who
the good guy is here's the question that
you have to ask yourself would you
rather have your teenage daughter be
stuck on the same subway car as John
Roach or the robber Matthew Ro you know
the answer to that that's your answer
when determining who is the good guy who
is the bad guy but again I understand
that City officials you at least
publicly they have to disavow any
actions of citizens of firing warning
shots I get it I I just hope that behind
the scenes that Mr rot is essentially
given like the the key to the city or at
least a sweetheart plea deal and maybe
an an endorsement from Smith and Wesson
that's kind of what I'm hoping for him
um but he is facing these charges it'll
be interesting to see what happened with
that particular all right let's see if
we have any any comments here at all
Ethan TRW Berger says uh cops are here
for all of us yeah I agree and again
yeah thank you Ethan I I agree I mean
the vast majority of police officers go
out every single day every single day
and they're just trying to make the
world a safer
Place police officers make mistakes
police officers often um do commit
crimes when they do they should they
should be prosecuted um but the
interaction that citizens have with
police officers is often just extremely
interesting which is one of the reasons
why we have this awesome body camera
Channel and we tried to find um raw
footage to show to everyone to see
exactly in the moment this is people on
their best day and on their worst day
they're interacting with police officers
this is what it really looks like and
really given that inside view that's one
of the reasons why we have this Channel
and then another reason why we do this
live show is really just did delve
deeper into some of the into some of the
themes some of the of the issues that
you know really just run through a lot
of these cases okay the last case that
I'm going to talk about today um and
it's basically a legal update this is a
case that a lot of people have been
following and it's really an an
important case and it's a case where
police officers so you know again like I
always say if police officers do
something that isn't correct or is wrong
I'm going to criticize them too but
again the criticism doesn't have to be
at least from me and and please call me
out if you see me not doing this is the
criticism has to be honest what I mean
is saying all cops are racist all cops
are bastards I hate all police officers
um all that stuff that isn't honest
criticism what I mean by Honest
criticism is if a police officer does
that pointing out specifically that's
what the police officer did I think
that's wrong and then being able to back
it up being able to point to a law a
policy training and saying the police
officer did something wrong and here's
why it's wrong here's what I'm going to
point to and this is what police officer
should do in the future to make it so
that the interactions are safer between
police officers and citizens and that
constitutional rights are um respected
by police officers and that's where we
get into this case it's going to be a
legal update it's the last thing we're
going to talk about today please put in
the comments if you have any different
opinions about this when we covered this
case initially there were a lot of
opinions about it but it's been a while
so this is essentially the Elijah mlan
case from Aurora Colorado what happened
in this case this happened a couple
years ago in Aurora Colorado Elijah mlan
was like a 19-year-old um 19-year-old um
I think he had autism or or or something
to that effect he was walking along the
street at night and someone called in
that he was a suspicious person well
that's fine citizens are free to call in
anybody they want is suspicious ious
persons that's totally fine that's
reasonable you know citizens should do
that they see something then when police
officers get that information they have
to act on basically what what they have
at the time so if someone is walking if
someone calls and says hey that guy over
there Dan that guy in that green shirt
he looks like he's a suspicious guy and
I'm walking down the street any police
officer in the area they can come up to
me and they can say hey I'm officer
Smith with the the the Aurora Police
Department can I talk to you for a
second now it would be up to me whether
I want to talk to that police officer or
Not What if I say you know what I don't
feel like talking and I just keep
walking well it's a public sidewalk I
can keep walking and the police officer
they can keep walking as well uh someone
says you're making too much sense who
cares about facts thank you um so it's
it's so police officers you but so they
can only actually detain someone if
there's reasonable suspicion that a
crime has been committed so Reasonable
Suspicion doesn't mean that's someone
suspicious that's not what it is in
order to and it's the lowest level
police officers need to actually detain
someone and it it's it's a pretty low
legal standard but there is something
there and police officers have to
articulate that why that they think that
someone is the suspect of a crime so
articulate what the crime is and why
that person is connected again it
doesn't have to be that they're
definitely that they've definitely
committed it it's not probable cause to
arrest but in order to stop and detain
someone to temporar temporarily detain
someone and take someone's Freedom away
police officers need a reasonable
suspicion that a crime has is or was
being committed
they didn't have that with Elijah mlan
he was walking down a public Street
someone called in said he was suspicious
police officers again they absolutely
cannot take away someone's Freedom just
based on that but that's what they did
in this case so this young black kid
Elijah mlan 19 years old walking down
the street you know police he does have
some emotional problems um as police
officers and which which I think
definitely goes to some of the way that
he reacted but again he hadn't committed
a crime so police officer contact him
and they detained him well um they
detain him they tried to put him into
custody in order to kind of hang on to
him he resists um so again police
officers had no Reasonable Suspicion
they should not have they should not
have detained him now obviously Elijah
mlan if you're being detained by police
and even if the detention is unlawful or
you think it's unlawful the worst thing
you should do is fight with police be
combative and not comply because as I've
said before if police do something that
is illegal uh if police officers do
something that is not proper um and they
actually do detain you and there's no
legal reason to do it it's all going to
be on body camera most likely if you get
a civil rights lawyer civil rights
lawyers will basically be fighting each
other in order to represent you because
if it is a clear case where rights are
violated those are the easy I went to
law school I have more lawyer friends
than I have cop friends okay that is the
easy case for attorneys to try to get
some type of a verdict out of the city
is is or whatever Police Department or
county that it is is is a violation of
civil rights where it's clear that there
was no reason to detain and all of the
evidence was collected by police
officers on body camera footage the
worst thing that someone could do is
resist arrest okay you're not going to
get anything out of it it's absolutely
crazy to do but that's what Elijah mlan
did so you have to think about it from
the position of of a police officer
let's put ourselves in the mind of mind
of a police officer here you have
someone who is basically called in for
being suspicious a normal police officer
whether it's correct or not a normal
police officer is going to think well if
this person didn't do anything then they
have nothing to hide which again that's
not the law but that's that's the
thinking of a lot of police officers so
the more that you resist arrest and are
a jerk and fight with police officers
the more the police officer is going to
think holy we have something here
what did this guy do because why would a
normal person who hasn't committed a
crime act like this again it's not the
law it's not training it's not policy
police officers should not think this
but we have to talk about reality that
is how police officers think the more
combative and suspicious and suspicious
someone is the more that's going to
heighten the awareness of police
officers again whether it's right or
wrong and yes I agree we should get
police officers out of that mindset
which is one of the reasons why I'm
highlighting this case now okay because
the outcome of this case was a terrible
outcome and I want not only do I want
citizens to be safe but I want police
officers to be safe and to not get
themselves into unnecessary trouble and
that's what happened in this case so
they do get Elijah mlan into into
custody they have to use some type of a
hold on him where they're near his neck
but again it's it's that that part is
definitely overblown but they never
should have detained him they never
should have put him in handcuffs they
never should have used Force it's
absolutely crazy however because he does
have some emotional problems they do
think that something is going on with
him that maybe he needs some medical
help so police officers do call EMS so
Medics get on scene now at that even
though police officer did make some
mistakes and again like let's be honest
about when cops make mistakes there was
no reason to detain and they detained
all of that was wrong okay but they
police officers did think that he was
having some type of a medical issue so
they called Medics well that's what what
police officers should do if police
officers think that someone is having in
medical distress or needs some help the
correct thing to do per policy per law
per common sense is to call Medics on
scene that's what police officers did so
police officers were laay what happened
to the to emergency medical uh Personnel
who came on scene emergency uh medical
personnel then uh did take control of
Elijah mlan who is still kind of
resisting res and they gave him keny I'm
not a medic not a paramedic I've never
worked EMS um but what do know is that
that um is that the ketamine did end up
killing um Elijah mton and he ended up
dying um so what happened in this case
is that not only were the medics who
gave the who gave that medication who
made that medical decision because again
police officers should not be making any
medical decisions they should not tell
EMS what to do or what not to do because
that's that's absolutely crazy uh Steve
Ladner says if a phone call can take
away person's rights you're not free um
okay yeah I mean like I said um uh yeah
it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't matter
um so so Steve what what I mean by that
Steve is um yeah I mean police officers
did wrong in this case I I said that
they did wrong they shouldn't have
detained they shouldn't have detained
Elijah mlan police officers make
mistakes they're going to make mistakes
this is one of them obviously cops
weren't trying to kill anyone and again
um so the Medics so not only were the
paramedics and the EMS workers were they
charged with murder in this case but
police officers were charged with murder
as well well at the time I said that's
absolutely ridiculous now if you want to
say the police officers should not have
detained Elijah mlan so we're going to
file a civil rights lawsuit you know his
estate filing a civil rights lawsuit
claiming a deprivation of Rights because
of the unlawful detention I'm good with
it I actually think that's that's the
appropriate the appropriate remedy
police officers thought that they had
Reasonable Suspicion to stop him and
detain him but they didn't that was a
violation of Mr McLean's constitutional
rights the initial detention and yes
there should be a lawsuit against police
officers for that I'm 100% with you
there I'm absolutely good with it now
charging the police officers criminally
for what EMS did to me that's insane to
me that makes zero sense because if
you're going to charge police officers
for a decision that Medics make then
basically what you're saying basically
what you're saying is that police
officers when the Medics want to do
something that they have to check with
police officers and that's not correct
at all because again most police
officers have very little medical
training so Medics should not listen to
police officers they should not rely on
police officers again I'm not a
paramedic I've never worked as a medic
but the paramedics that I do know there
is Absolut and just working with them
for over 15 years while working on on
patrol and uniform there's absolutely
nothing that paramedics do in their
chain of command that says hey we have
to ask this untrained police officer how
we deal with this person medically
that's in say now the the paramedics are
going to ask police officers what did
you see what what did you what did you
what did You observe but again it's
absolutely crazy for the Medics to
listen to police officers that should
not be part of this at all when Medics
get on CS police officers are in charge
of safety and if someone is under arrest
police officers they're still in police
custody but any medical decision that
100% has to be needs to be should be
with the Medics so if the Medics do
something wrong it's on them it is not
on the police officer so there was
another officer so again um there were
multiple police officers who were
charged I think two or three police
officers who are charged with murder in
this case and one of them went to trial
this past week and um he was found to be
not guilty which again is appropriate
that's the appropriate thing again if
you want to you want to sue the police
officer civil for deprivation of Rights
for thinking there was Reasonable
Suspicion and they not being reasonable
suspicion totally good with it but again
they should not be charged with murder
that's absolutely crazy um so again no
police officers have been convicted in
this case no police officers are going
to be convicted in this case because
they never should have been charged um
all right let's see what kind of
comments we got on this um so Gary says
Medics relied on police officer
description rather than the diagnosis of
the victim I agree Gary yeah so in this
case the Medics for whatever reason
relied on what the police officer said
happened um instead of you know looking
at what they had in front of themselves
and doing doing an actual uh medical
evaluation that seems a strange thing uh
for a paramedic to do and uh let's see
Neon Tetra says uh Neon Tetra says cops
will be reluctant to call the Medics now
what a crazy ruling yeah I I mean it
could be but again police officers have
um policies that they have to follow um
and you know PE people will um police
officer will call Medics when they need
it um dude slow down yeah I know I talk
fast it's just one of those things
that's how I talk on the show all right
let's see if we have any other uh
comments on this case otherwise that's
going to be the last one that we talk
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