She's not a word. I push her a couple times. She's bleeding out the mouth. >> She's what? >> Bleeding out the mouth. Misses her husband or whatever, but she's bringing guys the house. >> So, unfortunately, she can do that. Um >> because if someone's going to come over here for a Tinder date or a hookup, I don't think they walk here unless >> Tinder dates often end with laughs, stories, and happy endings. But every now and then, they veer into a far darker reality. So dark it spirals past heartbreak and straight into the chilling territory of a mysterious >> state back. It's just a >> Yeah, just a basement. Here are several moments when Tinder dates end up in Starting with Norma Carrick who walks through her own front door after a date only to become the tragic reason behind a gruesome 911 call hours later. >> Misses her husband or whatever, but she's bringing guys into the house. Ma'am, >> coffee. Female, not conscious, not breathing. >> Because if someone's going to come over here for a Tinder date or a hookup, I don't think they want barbecue so good make you want to slap your mom. I'm a mother. >> On September the 13th, 2023 at around 2:00 a.m. Police dispatch sent two officers to run a wellness check at the home of Norma Carrick. Her son, Neil Howard, had just dialed 911, saying he stopped by after she returned from a date and found her completely unresponsive. The officers went to the house and met with the son. >> What's up? >> I hear the dog whining from the basement. Mom tells me screws up the kitchen that she's uh got a date on the way. >> Okay. >> And she works like three jobs. And this is the way I was raised. So I screw up the kitchen to take all the laundry off the kitchen table, throw it in the laundry room. I want to see nothing. I guess it's that date on the computer or on the tenders or whatever. I don't know. I'm afraid to go in that room. I heard a dog whining in that room. >> So, you live here, sir? >> Yeah, I live in the basement, man. I open my heart a year and a half ago. >> Okay. So, what is your >> Well, I'm about to move out this weekend. I kind Everything went silent. I hear a guy go out the back door. >> Okay. Is your mom okay? I I'm scared to open the door. >> Huh? >> Okay. Where's your >> I hear the dog whining behind the door. Everything just went shut up and she goes she she turned the country music on real loud so I can't hear. >> Oh, she did that? >> My mom does it every day. Blasted. Some old sorrow country music. >> She misses her husband or whatever, but she's bringing guys to the house. >> So, unfortunately, she can't do that. Um Yeah, she had a fiveyear thing to where she weren't allowed to do it. When that five years is up, she started doing it. >> Well, she's allowed to have What I'm trying to convey to you is she's allowed to have people in the house cuz it's her house. We can certain We can certainly check on her though and make sure she's okay if you live there. >> Please. >> Certainly. >> The officers approached the house hoping it was just a harmless drunken misunderstanding, not the disaster it sounded like. But once they stepped inside, the grim reality was more than they expected. I heard the uh back door, the sliding door open. She go, "You ain't got to go. You ain't got to leave." >> So, you heard her? >> I heard her. >> So, she's okay. >> That's the last I heard of her. >> Okay. Well, I tell you what. How about this? How about you go see if you can get her to come out here before we go inside? >> Troy 194. Go >> ahead. We made contact with a son who is extremely intoxicated. He lives in the basement. He's going to try to get his mother to come outside right now. We are secure. >> What's up, dude? >> You go. >> Why do I have to get up? >> I'm telling you, she ain't going to get up. >> Okay, but you can hear her. >> She's not a word. I push you a couple times. You bleeding out the mouth. >> She's what? >> Bleeding out the mouth. >> All right. >> Police department. >> Police department. >> Ma'am. Police department. Police department. >> You said she's got blood coming out of her mouth. >> Hey, pop him. >> Detain. >> Where'd that guy go? >> He went out the back door >> for right now. Unless you're paying the tank. >> 146. Can you roll out here? >> Listen, you're just being >> female bleeding out the face. Not conscious. Not breathing. >> Ma'am. Ma'am. Troy roll. >> Ma'am. Ma'am. Ma'am. Copy. Female not conscious, not breathing. >> Start me some other units, please. She said a male went out the back. She is appears to be choking. Somebody I'll be starting CPR. >> I'll put him in my car. >> The scene dragged in a wave of mind-boggling and twisted questions. Was there ever a Tinder date at all? Did the sun do something in a drunken haze? Or was there someone else? someone the officers hadn't even considered yet. Lurking behind all of this. With all those possibilities swirling around, the officers stuck to what they already knew and kept pressing forward, poking at every in the story to see what would finally break loose. >> If his story is legit and he was in the basement, if whatever happened with her and he's saying like somebody took off out the back door. >> Okay. >> But also after he said somebody took out the back door, he made contact with her and that she was fine after he heard that. >> Yes. And I also asked was there any other cars in the driveway and he just kept saying I don't now because if someone's going to come over here for a tinder date or a hookup I don't think they walk here unless >> they came from >> and her car is over here >> for one. We haven't ran any cars yet, but >> either she wrapped that put around her neck herself, but there's a lot of blood in that pillow. So, >> or he may have done it in his entire state >> cuz he was making it seem like >> that he was uh with with her after that, you know, and he was the last person to see her. >> What do you think? cuz he was saying out here towards him because he's so brave because aggravated >> because he's in such a rage part of him. >> But once again from the stuff I work there could also be somebody came over for a week. >> He was he was saying when we were here he's like oh she's still good. She said keep saying I don't want to talk to her or something. He might have looked in and thought she was fine. If it wasn't before that he did that and now he's looking at this. >> Who do you have? Neil Howard. >> Yeah. What' you say? >> We have an extensive history with him. >> Neil had a long history in Troy and so did his mother Norma, widow of beloved former mayor Tom Carra. Neil, Tom's stepson, had multiple domestic violence calls over the past decade. Officers knew him well enough to treat him as a person of interest and take him in for questioning. As they canvas neighbors that night, unsettling stories about him began to surface. >> Hey, I'm sorry to wake you. I'm sure >> terrifying. Don't worry. They go crazy. >> I'm Alex. I'm with the police department here. Um, >> so we unfortunately we had an incident over here. Um, >> I was wondering >> so um >> I'm just reaching out. Do you have you heard anything tonight? >> No, not until these guys all started barking. So, it's nice and quiet and like that. >> Yeah. >> Do you know who lives there? >> Um, Norma Carricker and her son and different relatives are always moving in and out. >> So, um, let's go back recently. Any different relatives? Anything like that? >> Um, just her son. >> So, just her son's been there recently? >> Mhm. >> Um, >> he's kind of different. >> Do you know her son's name? >> No. >> Have you noticed anything like unusual or anything like that over the last couple days? >> Unusual. He rides the lawnmower down to get the mail. He comes out in what looks like her night gown. I mean, it's he's different. >> So, he comes down and like comes out in her night gown. >> Uhhuh. >> Oh, yeah. One day he was out and different things and Yeah. He's >> How long has he been living there? >> Oh, a long time. I would a year. >> Okay. Are there a lot of guys coming and going from over there? >> Always. >> Always. Always. >> So, a lot of lot of dates and stuff. Oh, it just all the time. >> Well, like what? >> There's a black pickup truck with a black um camper shell and I know that's a friend of his. >> Do you see that tonight by chance? >> Pardon? >> Um did you see that by night? Tonight by chance anytime. >> I'm not paying that much attention. A lot of times there's a lot of different headlights coming and going, but no. Um, >> yeah, cuz I actually that Yeah, cuz it's a it's a black Silverado. Yeah, black Silverado. >> Single cab. >> Single cab short bed with a black camper shell. >> And it's over there a lot. >> And that is an I'm not going to say an older gentleman, but he's in like his 50s or so. >> It's a friend of the It's a friend of the Suns. >> Yeah. Um then um she has a very good friend. His name is Terry. I don't know Terry's last name. >> I think I got Terry's number. >> Okay. But um but that's a friend of Norma's that comes and goes. And it was really kind of funny cuz two weeks ago all of a sudden Terry came in and he's not over there a whole lot and he used to be before the sun moved in. But then Terry came in and then Terry left and then the daughters were coming and going. They all got white SUVs and it was a lot of all of a sudden and then sort of like everybody left and that was it. >> Forensic teams scoured the scene looking for anyone or anything that might hold a clue. Meanwhile, two officers cornered Neil hoping to get him to talk. He was the only person there and so far his account gave them nothing to work with. And his record didn't paint him as a saint either. >> I'll get you some. Okay. >> Look at my [ __ ] left hand. >> I got you. I'll get you. You see that scar from my wrist to my [ __ ] elbow? >> Yeah, I can't really see it. >> I can see it now. >> Hey, >> I ain't going to cause no trouble, man. I want to know how my mom is. I'm fine, bro. I ain't know I see this. I don't want to cause no problem. I appreciate that, man. I seen a dirty come out. Listen, she's on a damn computer with guys. It's embarrassing and embarrassing to believe. >> I'm sorry. >> You're okay. But let me see your hands. Make sure you're okay. So, you're all right. >> You see, I had >> Oh, I see. I see. Okay. >> You see, you should not be doing it like that. Okay, I got you. I see you. >> Okay. my pictures on. >> Yeah, I'm going to take a quick couple pictures of you real quick. Okay, >> I'm going to get a picture of your hands, too. Okay, grab a seat, too. That way, you can chill out. >> Neil had a few visible injuries. A small puncture on one finger, a faint bleeding spot on his lip, and a on his forehead. They could be nothing, or they could be evidence of guilt. >> Hey, Neil, you wake up to talk to me? No. >> You all right? Okay. >> Um, no bamboozled. >> Understood. How much have you had to drink? Turkey. >> No, my mom drinks it. >> Okay. >> I don't drink it to the bottom. I know better. She let lets me get a couple drinks here and there. I'm I'm unemployed. I don't have no income, nothing like that. >> Okay. >> I work for my sister a little bit. She and her and her husband. I'm supposed to give it away on Saturday. Supposed to propose to my girlfriend for 30 something. What? 35 years on Saturday. >> Okay. >> This is crazy. >> Yes, it is. So, are you so you sober enough? Are you on anything? You're enough to understand me, understand what's going on and stuff? >> My thing is the people. Okay. >> They're not healed up yet. I I used to talk like this. >> Okay. What teeth do you have for? >> Oh, the front. >> On the front. Oh, top. >> Get my dentures on Friday. >> Okay. >> I'm supposed to go to the dentist on Friday, give my give my sister away at the wedding on Saturday and propose my old lady at the same time. >> And I don't know what to tell him. I just want you guys to look at the phones. You can be able to trace our seven. >> Okay. Well, so hold on a second. I'm going to grab a notepad and stuff. As long as So you're not intoxicated. You're not under the influence of anything. >> Okay. Let me grab a notepad and stuff and we'll talk. Okay. And then the one thing we'll have to do too cuz obviously we don't know what all's going on yet. You This isn't your first time around. You understand processes and stuff. >> Yeah. >> So I'm going to have to >> I also know the law. So, >> so if I get my call then and then you got your home meeting. >> No, hang tight with all of that. Okay. >> And this is not Brian. That's >> none of that's going on right now. Okay. We don't we don't know what all's going on right now. So, that's >> So, let me grab let me grab a notepad. I got to grab a form >> cuz then obviously, you know, I got to because we don't know what's going on. Just for your own protection and the process of paperwork and stuff. >> Listen to me. Go on that square route. >> I hold on. But before I can listen to you for everything, I got to have you sign your rights that you're telling me all this stuff so I know what to do and what to go look at. Okay? You know that stuff. You know I have to do that. And then you can tell me my father, man. >> You know, I've been through the same thing as my father. >> Been through what? >> Look, if I know what I'm doing, then look, this is ridiculous. Second time this happened. second time. What happened? >> What you guys are doing right now? >> Let me read to your right, sign it, and you can tell me. Okay. >> You know, I got to, you know, I have to do that. You can tell the lawyer tell us I'm a lawyer. I'm going to see. >> Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You have >> I walk out of here. >> You have the absolute right for every bit of that. But if you're wanting to help us with what's going on, >> I'm telling you guys, go in this favor and check our phones. >> We will do that. We're working toward all of that. But obviously I have to before I can talk to you and you tell me all that stuff, I have to do my process. You know that, >> man. Let me walk out of here. And this is wrong in every which way. >> No, we don't even know what's going on yet, bud. >> I'm trying to tell you. >> I You know, I have to >> My rights tell me I can walk out right now. >> You're tell I have to be able to read you your rights first. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But I know you. >> So let me let let's take care of all of that stuff. Okay. >> I understand. Nobody's asking you to sign your rights over. I'm asking you to acknowledge your rights. That's it. >> Okay. >> You just said, "Let me get the paperwork. Let me let you sign." Um >> Yeah. That's just an acknowledging right thing. >> I Everybody got fired. All right. You can look it up, man. And it was acknowledged that I was like I sign my rights for my mother. What happened there? I'm telling you guys, you can take me on record of what I've said. I don't have to sign anything. >> Cornered by the officers, he wasn't making things any easier, but his rights were still his rights. The bigger question lingered. Were they wasting time with him, or was the real suspect still out there, lurking and cautiously waiting for the next victim? >> No, absolutely. You do not You're not saying anything, but I read it to you. >> Okay. I mean, I'm willing to cooperate. >> And that's all and I called in love. I didn't expect to get dirt around like that and this and that and the other. >> They didn't know what was going on, Neil. That's why I got you here. That's why I got you a bottle of water. It's why I'm trying to find out what's going on. >> Where does coins at? >> Oh, he's retired a long time ago. Yeah. >> You know, he always treated me fair. >> Sure. >> I'm not going to do anything different than that. >> But that that is the mayor's self house. >> I know. >> All right. and they had an agreement with them. She had to wait so long to let guys come over and that whatever they're doing up there, man, we wonder if there was trouble. >> Several things had been said, but one fact stood out. Neil was still heavily intoxicated. The officers let him rest for about an hour before returning. This time as a tag team duo, ready to press him for answers. All right. Please tell us >> even she called me the expected about 8:30. She had a new job in St. J of the Rooster. She called. >> Who did? >> Okay. She got a job at the rooster. >> That was about 8:30. She tell us she calls and ask me if I want something go home to eat and she say she going to have company and says that I'm don't got to clean the whole kitchen just the kitchen it's going to be a while you drive my car first I got headlight on the car and I said no he coming. She just don't clean take all them clothes off the kitchen table and throw them in the laundry room. And you'll see that's what it is. She goes and put a new smell good thing in the dog. Put it on the counter. There's a a wiener dog. She got a wiener dog. the weird dogs. Uh the incant thing, >> my little candle mel thing, >> one of them things. And she had a candle melt thing there. And then I wiped out all the Kool-Aid to the counter, put the thing and dog on the counter and grab open clothes with two men in the laundry room. And I went downstairs cuz the dog don't bark. went downstairs and I I heard I could hear the car out from I guess they she jumped in his car and left hers. I didn't get to see anything. I wanted to go up there just to like made my presence. Mhm. >> But I was scared anymore. That's the only place I got to go. >> Right. That's my I'm moving out on Friday. And then I I didn't hear nobody at all. I could just hear the car pull up in the corridor. So I didn't go back up. That was it. So then when I lay there in bed, you I keep earplugs next to bed. I don't make a pee. I don't want to go out there prison snow, but my mom would expect me to call the cops even if I'm out of the line. You know, I never line if I disobey. You know, if I don't take trash out on time, whatever. And I put my earplugs in then I can hear the banging bang bang bang the headboard. Too loud right there below to bed and my mom making all kinds of rough. >> To make sense of the chaos, the officers decided to take a structured approach, asking Neil for a clear step-by-step timeline of events. This approach was one that was proven to work with many suspects in the past. >> What time was that? Do you remember you went to Spruce at the kitchen? >> Uh, as soon as you called me about 8:30. >> Okay. And what time did you hear the car? >> Uh, about 9:30. about 9:30. >> About 8:40 when she called me. This is later in the news. >> And then she says, >> "So, was she at the rooster? Did she already start the job or?" >> Yeah. >> Yeah. She was like getting off. >> Oh, okay. So, she's going to work from the rooster. Is that >> And she used to call me before that cuz she got a headlight on her car and I know when she goes the back row to come from the rooster to the house and she said I'm going to park my car at the house and I'm going to jump in the car with him. Uh so I get pulled over and I know she had the headlight on. >> Which cars made sense? Um, the Ford, >> the red car. >> Yeah, it's parked right here at the back of the house. >> Police verified Neil's timeline using security footage from Norma's job at the Lucky Rooster Pub and nearby cameras in St. Jacob, Illinois, which showed her Ford escape being followed by a Mustang later tied to James Carter, a man she met on a dating app. The footage matched Neil's account of the night from their bar visit to returning to her home. Inside, the house showed a mix of mess and tidiness. The basement revealed Neil's living conditions and alcohol and earplugs were scattered about. In the bedroom, scarlet body fluid on the mattress, pillow, and a bungee cord, plus a small puncture wound on Neil's hand and a lost fingernail. It all raised serious questions. Neil remained in limbo between witness and suspect as officers applied pressure and reassurance, listening as he retold his story, trying to decide if he could be cleared or if the evidence would point straight at him. We will not leave any cell. I can assure you of that. >> Like I'm in so much trouble and I didn't do nothing. >> Nobody said you're in any trouble. Nobody said you're in any trouble. >> Nobody did. >> Why am I You're like Why did I get rough around the way I did? Why did I >> Well, why am I Neil? Here's here's something you got to understand. When we get a call like that, >> I called the dog whining in there. Something was then I heard somebody leave. I got you. >> And and again, I don't know any of that. And I know that you wanted to tell me all of that and I don't know any of that because I just got here to work. So, I'm here fresh and and they told me that you were hungry and I said, "Well, let's get his medication. Let's get him taken care of." So, this is just one of those things where I wanted to make sure that you got squared away. And when you started talking to me, I you know more than I do. No, no. >> And so, you know why you were taken in handcuffs? What I can tell you is that we just have one shot. We just have one shot and we just want to make sure that we cover our bases. And that's all it is. That's all it is. Do you want me to leave? >> I like not talking to my sister. >> Okay. Let me go ask the lieutenant if I can make that happen. Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. hang in there. Okay. >> The detectives collected DNA from Norma, the weapon, and the bedroom, including scrapings from under her nails and a broken nail, searching for the attacker's skin. They also interviewed Neil's halfsister, Jenny, for additional insight. >> What about um uh Neil? >> Honestly, I haven't really had a relationship with Neil in years. >> Okay. because of because of his social drinking and drugging and um me and my husband cared for his kids. We basically raised his kids. His kids lived with us until they were adults. So there was a lot of animosity and stuff from him >> cuz he didn't want to roll in and try to act like a parent. >> Right. Right. >> Okay. >> But um yeah, I I don't know. And and I I back in November whenever I talked to my mom in the hospital, I told her that she needs to get him out of there because >> do you know if him and Norma were getting along, if they fought, they argued. >> I know there was an incident in Texas with him and his father or he was okay father, right? >> Do you know anything more about that? >> I mean, we have two different dads, right? >> So I I mean I remember that. I remember going through that. I know it was in 2005. >> Do you know where in Texas? >> Mosquite, Texas. >> Records from Mosquite, Texas showed that in 2005, Neil was involved in an incident in which his father, George Howard, was struck by a shot from a firearm. Police found Neil outside the home, saying he had acted in self-defense after a struggle. A grand jury declined to press charges, likely accepting his explanation. Norma's coworker later mentioned the incident when talking about Norma's difficult relationship with her son Neil. >> What about the relationship with her son? >> Her son rocky as all could be. >> I mean, she's always coming in complaining. He's a drunk. I guess he smokes crack in the basement. She can't stand it. Um he he shot his he shot her first husband, which was his dad. and she said he got out playing a mental card. And then uh told me that he just got on disability and he faked it because he knew he had to act crazy to get it. So she said he was at the kitchen table flipping out saying I my dad. I my dad. And she said that they got in an argument the other day because uh >> Jimmy you're okay. Oh, no. She said >> because Andrea sent was trying to send her money. Cash App was down or something. So, they sent it to the son and he fought with her and argued, "It's my money. It's my money." And she said, "No, it's my money and you're going to give it to me." Well, finally they got into it and she said, "You best get downstairs and you better get downstairs now." And she said, >> that was just the other day. >> Mhm. She said that, you know, he normally stays down in the basement and she tells me he's the type where if she don't hear from him for a couple days, she'll bring her phone down with her being prepared to call because I guess he's an alcohol. Like he drinks like gallons of hot tub and beer a day. So, she's always expecting to find a bed down there. >> Mhm. >> But yeah, >> you don't know what they did with the money. with the money >> from the other day that her daughter sent. >> No, I don't I don't know what she used it for. I don't know what she did with it. >> Do you know the drink? >> No. And she hides it from Terry. >> Okay. >> And that's a daily thing. >> I think she'll try to hide it from everybody. >> Yes. Her daughter and everything. Yeah. Andrea. >> What about Do you know Norman ever used? >> No. >> No. >> No. Okay. >> No, she doesn't. She is very keen on that and she will voice it very loudly. >> Neil's case looked bad. Even at the house, matching bungee cords were found, similar to the cord that was used on Norma, and stained gloves were discovered in the basement while security cameras were down. Suspicion briefly fell on Norma's date, but traffic footage and DNA cleared him, leaving Neil in the spotlight. To make matters worse, Neil had filmed a video that same day, one that tied much of the story together. said it was so good make you slap your mama. Somebody better come over here before that happened. barbecue so good make you want to slap your mom. I'mma kill your mother. >> Eventually, Neil was charged with his mother, Norma Carrick, and spent nearly 2 years in jail before his trial. After a week in court, the jury took just 3 hours to find him guilty. Judge Amy Mayer sentenced him to 30 years with no parole. Unlike Norma, whose night ended in her own house, Justice Stillwells ended somewhere far darker. What he thought was just a simple grinder meetup turned into a trap he never escaped from. >> Mustang police. I >> think we're good all the way back. It's just a >> Yeah, just a basement. On the night of September the 14th, 2024, 41-year-old school custodian Justy Stillwell left his Bay City home with a little spark of excitement. He thought he was heading out for a simple first date with someone he had connected with on Grinder under the username bored. But that first date would turn out to be his last. Just walked out the door and never came home. Not long after, a desperate search for him began. But the break didn't come from detectives. It came from a bystander. Someone spotted what appeared to be bits of human remains, including arms and lower legs, floating near the Edward Goulson boat launch on the Sagenor River. Tess later confirmed the unthinkable. The remains belonged to Justy, automatically forcing the officers to look for his date identified as Robert Dale Tweedley Jr. on September the 25th, 2024, just 4 days after that doomed date night, police hit his home with a search warrant. State police. Search warrant. State police. Search warrant. State police. SEARCH WARRANT. State police. Search warrant. State police. They said they had a key. >> Do they have a key? >> I'll take one from Jack. Yep. Got it. here and they're really stacked up there. See this whole side through this one? >> Yes. >> I held hard on that on that long room. >> So tucked in with us, right? We went in, came out of that room. I was number two. Open door, but everyone else pushed into that room to the right. It was a closed door, right? That was all open. They all came out. >> But wasn't the Jessie? Didn't the angle. >> You were in the jet. >> The jy was primary. He took the long to director out. I came out of that room with you. >> The raid was a success and before long, officers locked onto their prime suspect, pushing the investigation into its next darker chapter. I >> think we're good all the way back. It's just the >> back. >> Yeah, just the basement. Let's just do the basement quick. The upper floor is good. >> Tweedley told investigators that Stillwell only came over to talk, but when Stillwell tried to leave, he shoved him down the basement stairs and him to death. He admitted the body was too heavy to move, so he left, bought rope and axe and trash bags with $40 he allegedly stole from Stillwell's wallet, then returned to dismember the body. He dumped the arms and legs in the river and hid the head and torso at a separate location. Both were later found by the police. In the end, Tweedley was charged with open and the mutilation and disentment of a corpse. A judge ruled him competent to stand trial and he stayed behind bars on a $1 million bond. Next up is a love triangle gone sour, twisted by jealousy, fueled by reckless choices, and ending with one life lost and two others shattered for a lifetime. >> I'm a family man. I work hard every day to support my family. Why would I go jeopardize it to kill this guy? >> I knew he was talking about wanting to beat him up. >> If you knew the plan, why is Nate? >> There was there was no stopping. >> On April the 29th, 2024, at around 5:30 p.m., Clackamus County deputies responded to reports of gunfire near SE 90th Avenue and SE St. Helen Street in unincorporated Clackamus County, Oregon. When they arrived, they found 25-year-old Nathan Dean Anderson suffering from gunshot wounds. Paramedics rushed him to the hospital, but he didn't survive. A robust investigation began, and neighbors didn't hesitate to identify the shooter, who was a former co-orker of the victim, and surveillance footage quickly backed that up, matching the same man they named within minutes, Cody Denowith. And immediately, he was brought in for questioning. >> Uh, so we're investigating the death of a man in Nathan. >> Yeah, I heard about that. How do you hear about that? >> Uh, social media. social media. >> Yeah, it's known on the news. I looked. >> Did you uh know Nathan? >> I Yeah, he used to be my worker. >> He used to be a worker for you? >> Yeah. At Dave's? >> At Dave? Yeah. >> When was that? >> Maybe a year ago. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We've hung out maybe two or three times since then. I helped him move from his mom's to an apartment complex. >> And it's the first time I heard from him in about 6 months. >> When was that? >> Um maybe a few months back. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> When's the last time that you talked to him? >> Talked to him? >> Yeah. Uh when I got out of jail, I talked to him. He'd come over to my apartment while I was in jail and uh ended up getting my girlfriend high and all sorts. Yeah. I don't I don't know the whole story. He wouldn't tell me it. >> Do you think he was like trying to pick up Dominique? >> I couldn't tell you. He wouldn't tell me. I tried to get the full story from him for a couple of days and he kept getting all heated into arguments and stuff and, you know, cussing and this that and the other. And it's on Facebook. Have you been on his? I'm sure you have since you're doing an investigation. I'm sure that's probably why I'm here because of all his threats and stuff, right? >> Well, I mean, I haven't seen it myself personally. Um, but what kind of threats was he making to you? >> Just that he would end my life and this that and the other and he doesn't I don't know him and where he's from. He's from the cartel and he's from GD and he's this that and the other and he'll wipe me clean and blah blah blah. >> So, lots of stuff. >> Lots of talking. >> Okay. He said he seemed like he was >> No, he he >> couldn't I don't know what he was doing. I couldn't tell you personally. >> How did that make you feel? That make Did you feel threatened? >> No, not at all. Okay. >> You know, he's in my eyes, he was like my little brother, you know, I didn't know him on a personal level, but you know, he's younger than me. We've been through some of the same things. He had his life on track there for a minute, you know, and if he needed help, all he had to do is call. >> You know, I was always there if he needed help. So, it's kind of I mean, it's kind of messed up that he went over to your apartment then, given the fact that it sounds like you tried to help him out. >> Yeah. I mean, I didn't really mind, you know, I didn't think he was trying to pick up on her, but she couldn't remember what was going on because she was blacked out. >> Okay. >> And so, I tried to get the story from him and all I asked him was, "Hey, screenshot me the messages that you guys had. That way, I can get some clarity on the situation of what happened." Yeah. >> And immediately he just went into blah blah blah blah blah that blah blah like dude some simple screenshots like what's the problem? >> What did you think went down with him >> that she got tooken advantage of? And I mentioned that to him and on Facebook as well. You'll see that if you took a look. >> Did he deny it? >> He didn't deny it, but he didn't confirm it. You know, I felt like he's trying to protect something. And then it came down to like just holler at me when you're cooled off, man. you know, and a couple days go by and I'm like, "Hey, are we cool?" Like, "Are we both good? I know we're both hotaded. Are we both good?" It's like, "Oh, yeah. We're good. Like, you know, this, that, and the other." And I couldn't tell you the exact conversation word for word, you know. But, you know, we're like, "All right, we're both cool. That's all right." >> Did you guys hang out together? >> No, we haven't hang out since. And then a few days go on and I see some stuff on Facebook from Kayla posting it. RIP. And like, what happened? He messaged her. >> You messaged her? >> I messaged her. Yeah. And she said that the detectives are aren't being clear on what happened. Just that he was >> His story hinted at some simmering bad blood between everyone involved. But the officers pushed the motion aside and hit him with one of their first solid findings. >> One of the things that we found when we were kind of investigating this is >> um Nathan's phone wasn't with his body when when his body was found. >> Okay. Um, and after his death, his phone actually traveled to the area of your apartment. >> Okay. Okay. Did you have Nathan's phone with you? >> No. >> No. >> How could I have his phone if I was never with him? >> Okay. >> Um, basically what I'm getting at is there's more surveillance images that we've collected. Um, and I'm I'm fairly certain that you're involved in this. You think I him? Seriously? >> Yes. >> You think I him? >> And if there's a reason for what happened, if he was threatening you and you know, I don't know. I wasn't there. You know what I mean? All I know is >> Yeah. >> lawyer. >> Okay. Are you saying that you want a lawyer? >> Oh, obviously if you guys think I somebody, I need a lawyer. >> Okay, fair enough. >> Dennith had already asked for a lawyer, but curiosity was eating at him. He wanted to know how the officers could look him in the eye and drop a bomb like that. Is it that you guys think I >> Well, based on our investigation, >> do you think I killed him or do you think I'm involved in >> uh I think that you're responsible >> that I'm responsible for him? >> Yes. >> Like I first handed >> Yes. >> Okay. What are you trying to charge me with? >> Uh in the second degree an unlawful use of a weapon. Okay. >> Under what grounds? >> Based on the evidence we've collected in our investigation, >> do you have a reason? Honest question. Do you have a reason why we shouldn't be looking at you for this? Is there someone else we should be looking at? I >> mean, I couldn't tell you firsthand. There's somebody else. But me, I'm a family man. I work hard every day to support my family. Why would I go jeopardize it to this guy? So, if the car had license plates on it, which it did, and then on the day that Nathan was It didn't have license plates on it. And did it have license plates on it when you were arrested? >> You said it didn't. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm asking >> right now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, at some point in there, the license plates came off the car. The only reason someone would do that is if they were planning on NAT and wanted to try to obscure their identity. So that's an element of premeditation, which is not a crime of passion. It's a thought through premeditated crime, and that's super interesting to me. >> Just like a deer in the headlights, Denowith knew that his cover was blown. But trying to play the criminal mastermind, he kept listening. Maybe he could poke holes in their theory. Maybe he had an ace up his sleeve the officers didn't know about yet. >> Picked him up and we have video of you picking him up. um picked him up, took him down particular area in the alleyway there, you shot him, you drove off, you put the plates back in your car. You wouldn't have taken a plate off your car unless you were planning on doing it. Premeditation. That's one. Is there any reason why we shouldn't be looking at one and we look at two instead? >> You guys can look at whatever you want. You guys are the investigators, right? >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, so I guess we're we're looking at an option one, which is a crime of passion, right? You got pissed at the moment and shot in them. Um, option two is you planned it ahead of time, which is much worse. Um, maybe option three is you meant to shoot him but didn't mean to kill them. I don't know which one of those it is. Um, those obviously >> those options sound bad. No, none of them are good, but there's a hierarchy of of uh bad, worst, worst, right? Which we kind of talked about. And this is kind of your opportunity to tell us which one of those it is, cuz you're probably not going to get another one. And this is one of those deals where I don't want to tell your story for you if you can tell it for yourself. But that's the option you're giving me. So, it's up to you to to tell us what happened or not tell us what happened. >> I think it's time to be a lawyer now. >> Okay. >> Cuz all three of those options are bad. I agree. >> Yeah. >> Wherever you guys are. >> How long until I go to the jail? >> Uh, just a few moments. >> Okay. Thank you. >> No worries. >> Arrested for it's not being arrested. Like I'm This is probably what 20 years in prison. Second degree. What? What does it carry? >> Well, actually, we're now probably looking at more of a first degree. How to go from second grade to first grade? >> Well, within 5 minutes >> because of premeditation. >> Denowith's questions made it clear he was already weighing every option the officers had laid out trying to spot in their story. But detectives didn't stop there. 2 days later on May the 8th, 2024, they brought his girlfriend Dominique Marie Britt into the Clackamus County Sheriff's Office for questioning. >> Your relationship with Cody. What is Cody like? What's what's he about? >> He's usually a very happy like chill person. a great dad, like loves our kids, like you, that's his kid, you know, in his eyes. Um, but he has his moments where he just is like down like his mental and he's struggled with that his whole life, but he just has never got on medicine because he doesn't want to be a zombie. He says, >> do you think it's like depression or is it psychosis? >> Yeah. >> Do you think he hears voices or >> something in his head? >> That's I don't know. Why do you think that? Is there behaviors you can attribute to like, hey, that's an example of him being kind of mentally unstable? >> Yeah. Like uh accusing me of cheating on him when I'm like home all day with your kids. I cook. I clean. I take care of the house. Like I with your kids or just like thinking like I'm being sneaky or thinking that everybody hates him or people are talking about him. Just like stuff like that. And it just gets worse and worse. And >> does he kind of spiral when he does when he gets into those? >> Yeah, like this last month completely different person. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um, has there ever been any prior periods where he was like that? >> No, this is like the worst it's got. Like >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um, has there ever been I know that there was a call at your apartment on the 24th. Milwaukee police came out. >> Mhm. >> Um, it was a domestic violence call is what I know. >> Yeah. He was screaming and yelling. any physical stuff that night? >> Has there ever been any kind of physical? >> No, not at all. Like us that night he drank like a whole fifth and like a 20minut period from the time he got off work to the liquor store to the house. >> What do you drink? >> Crime royal, I think. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But no, he usually he doesn't ever yell at me. Nothing. Like it's this month has just I don't know. >> Do you know what what set it off or what like why he's been acting like that? down. I think him getting arrested the last time kind of just made everything worse. Like within like the last 2 weeks, it's just been like I don't know, bad. I guess his mental health. I don't know. >> Soon Brit began revealing more details about her activities. The very events that had set this whole chain in motion. >> I woke up and everything was just like everything hurt. >> Like hangover or >> No, like my whole body. Like >> Was it a hangover pain or was it different pain? >> Different pain. Like my hangover pain was like off my head. >> Yeah. You know, >> did you feel like something had happened to any of your intimate areas? >> Maybe. I don't know. My like my whole body hurt, but according to like the cops when they showed up, I had blood on me from I don't know. Like my knees still you could see still up. So, I don't know. Like, >> do you remember where that was from? >> Mm-m. Okay. Uh, and you don't remember when Nate came over that night or anything like that? >> No, that night is a blur. Nothing concrete came from her account, but the officers set it aside for the moment and turned back slightly to Denowith, hoping they could connect the dots with anything Britt had to say. >> Did Cody ever express any sort of ill will against Nathan Anderson? >> No, I think it just whatever happened to me, if it happened, didn't, you know, the way that Nate was wording it, it seemed like something happened to me. And I think Cody just I don't know. I honestly couldn't tell you. He didn't tell me that he was going to do anything, if he did anything. I just I don't know. I'm like my whole mind is like trying to like figure things out and like put pieces together, but that's not the coding I know. >> And it it can be hard to cuz you know, the only thing that I know from doing this job is that people will surprise you. You know what I mean? Um, did you have any indication that Cody wanted to do anything bad to Nate or that he was going to do anything crazy or anything? >> I knew he was talking about wanting to beat him up. Friday is when he had his his mind set that that's what he was gonna do and there was no talking him out of it. >> And what specifically did he say >> that I'm going to go shoot Nate? >> Okay. With the intention, >> I guess him. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. So, now you've given us more info. Tell us, if you don't mind, exactly what he said, when he said it, where you were when the conversation happened, and and what he said his intent was going to be. >> Friday, I think I don't I don't know if we I don't think we were on the phone. I think we were together, so maybe in the car, and he just said that I'm going to go shoot him and that's what I'm going to do. Like, there was no talking him out of it at all because he was just gone. like gone. >> So I guess you know the big question here is if you knew the plan, why is Nate dead? >> There was there was no stopping Cody at all. No matter how many times I told him, "If you do this, you're going to ruin your life. You know, you're you're your son's going to grow up without you." Okay? >> Did not did not care. Now, the officers turned their full attention to Dennis, hoping to better understand the dynamics and to see if this was entirely his plan or if he had been a porn in a larger scheme. >> He messaged you a couple hours before Nathan was um that he needed you to bring him as toy. The one the one from upstairs. >> Yeah. And I said told him, "Sure." And then I called him and I said, "No, I'm not bringing nothing to you." >> What is he referring to? >> The gun probably. >> Did he really come and get the gun? >> Yes. And and let me explain something to you that that I don't want you to say something you can't take back later. >> And and this is why I'm going to tell you this cuz one that that he went and got himself you bring it to him doesn't make any sense based off the messages. Makes no sense. >> But beyond that, we've uh applied for court orders to get his phone records. >> Okay. Do you know anything about cell towers and how that stuff works? >> Okay. It's actually kind of confusing. So, so when we get the records back, we'll be able to tell because the more cell towers they are, the the better information you get, >> right? And there are ton in any metro area, especially where you guys live. So, so when Detective Hunter looks at those records, he'll be able to tell that Nate drove up or didn't drive up and whether or not he went in the house or not. >> Mhm. So if it shows that he drove up and then drove away, it means you brought him the gun. >> So if that's what happened, this is the time to talk about it. So when talk to us about you bringing him the gun, >> I did >> where? >> Where? >> Where? >> Uh he was on the side of the street and I brought him the backpack and everything >> with a gun. >> I don't know. I really I really don't know. I haven't seen it since then. Don't know. >> What did you do with Nathan's belongings? They was at my mom's and he threw it away. Me, my mom, and him cuz my mom had a trash bag. We walked to her trash and we threw away that bag that you guys that was in the warrant that he was looking that you guys were looking for. So, I don't know if maybe the gun was in that backpack or something. I don't know. I just know he threw it away. >> When he told you that he shot Nathan, what did he say exactly? >> That he got that he Nathan got out of the car and he shot him and then he drove off. >> What was the conversation like after that? >> He was That's what I'm saying. He was completely normal. Like he didn't go and just shoot somebody. Like we went to McDonald's, got the kid the kids food. We went back to my mom's. We watched the the Smurfs movie, went to sleep, got saved up for school, like everything we do on a normal day. >> At this stage, the officers realized every assumption needed a second look, and Brit still wasn't done talking. It was a reminder that a pretty face can mask dark intentions and that beauty and the beast can team up in ways no one expects. >> I knew when he came into the house and got the gun that that's what he was going to do. I knew >> when when was the first time he said, "I'm going to shoot." Friday is when he had his his mind set. He was not going to let it go. And I just told him, "Okay, if it needs to happen, then it needs to happen, but you're going to get caught." That's what I told him. There's no way of getting away with. >> So that terminology, if it's going to happen, if it needs to happen, it's going to happen. That's your acceptance of it. That's your verbal acceptance of yes, Nate needs to die. Is there any other way to look at that? How responsible do you think you are that Nate was >> I think it whatever happened to me did it happen I just think I don't know I don't know >> and I understand what you're saying and and I think that you know I think you need to really tell us now about what really happened with you and Nate >> I don't I 100% don't remember that night at all >> I don't >> sitting here right now do you think Nate you >> yeah probably >> from my what my bottom area look like. Yes. >> Do you think Nate you? >> Mhm. >> And that's horrible and that's not excusable, but it's also not a reason for >> No. >> So from the time that that incident happened until the time that Cody made >> Mhm. >> How many opportunities did you have to contact police and talk about that? >> Yes, we did. >> And you guys talked about that, didn't you? >> About what? >> Making a report. Tell me about that. >> I told him, "Well, I should just go to the cops and make a report." No, I'm going to handle it myself. I was like, "No, I can like it happened to me, you know. No, I'm going to handle it myself. I'm going to handle it myself. You don't have There's no proof that anything happened to you." >> Well, I'm sorry that that happened to you. >> Doesn't give him right to kill anybody. >> No, >> not at all. So either we're looking at one of two things happened. Either you were good to go with it from the beginning or this was your deal and you wound him up and kicked him loose. >> So which of those two is it? >> I guess I was just like if you're going to do it, you're going to do it type of thing, you know? But I just >> For how long did you want Cody to me? >> I didn't. >> Everything about this says that you did. >> I didn't. I was just, okay, whatever. Do what you want type of thing. >> At the very least, based off of everything we know now, you're a co-conspirator and his >> god, >> if not the originator of the idea of his >> No, no. No. >> And I get that you're upset right now, but I'm going to be honest with you. From where I'm at, you're not upset for Nate. You're upset because you got caught. No, I hurt for day two. Like didn't mean for this to happen. I should have just called the cops on him. >> You could have made that call on Friday. You could have made the call on Saturday. >> I know. Every day call on most of most of Monday. All Sunday, most of Monday. Okay. So this idea that >> Dominic Brit was taken into custody and both she and Cody Denowith were charged with and unlawful use of a weapon.