good afternoon this is Daniel here with
Copwatch TV just want to welcome
everyone into our live show real curious
to see where everyone is watching from
today so if you want to go ahead and put
that in the chat and kind of while
you're doing that you know I'm real
excited about this show and I hope that
you are too cuz it's going to be a
little bit different today and one of
the reasons why it's going to be
different today is because I have an
announcement that I want to make kind of
before we get into some of the really
important and interesting police cases
um I retired yesterday um so yesterday
was my last day with the Albuquerque
Police Department I started in 2005 and
uh I was able to retire yesterday um so
you know and I just want to say that
it's you know when it comes to being a
retired police officer to being a police
officer who's still on duty there is
some difference of what you can say um
so things around here might change a
little bit because I'm going to be a
little bit more free to be able to give
some of my opinions um and you know
something of that you know basically
what I mean is that the essential rule
is that you know if a police officer is
still working you know they can't
obviously say a whole lot while they're
on duty which I would would never do
also what police officers can do is
essentially anything that's from
anything that's of public interest so
yes I was a police officer here in
Albuquerque if there is an officer
involved shooting in Florida or New York
it it's perfectly reasonable for me or
any other police officer to talk about
that shooting because it's of public
interest um so is so that's kind of what
I've been doing on the show and then on
my other social media channels um so I I
just want to announce that I I did
retire yesterday from the Albuquerque
Police Department and you know before we
get into one of these cases I'm going to
tell you just a little bit about my
career what I did just so you kind of
have an idea of where I'm coming from
when we talk about some of these cases
because like all police officers there's
going to be some things that I'm not
really an expert in that I really didn't
work in um so in my time with the
albuquer police department I did little
over 10 years on on patrol um you know
answering emergency calls for service I
did that on graveyard swing and uh
dayshift in pretty much every area of
the city from areas of the city on on
day shift when you know million-dollar
houses to areas of the city on graveyard
that we called the the the war zone um
and and and everything everything in
between I I did spend over four years in
the DWI unit essentially going after
drunk drivers um I did that for four
years which is probably the best almost
anyone that you meet who's a retired
police officer who worked sometime in
the D wi unit they are going to think or
almost always going to say that their
best stories and really the best time of
their career was in the DWI unit going
after drunk drivers um it's one of the
one of the most fun things that I did as
a police officer um and then the last
four years I worked in Internal Affairs
Force division and in compliance um so
basically I was an investigator for use
of force when police officers were
involved in a use of force um anything
from an empty-hand takedown to resisted
handcuffing all the way up to an officer
involved shooting I was one of the
investigators for that after doing that
for a couple years um I was transferred
over to compliance um where basically
Not only was I looking at when it comes
to how the department the police
department Can Do Better Not only was I
looking at um when it comes to uh uh
Stacy I retired yesterday yesterday was
my last day um so Not only was I when I
was doing in compliance So Not only was
I looking at what the police officers on
scene did but I was also looking at what
did Internal Affairs do and is there any
gaps when it comes to policy training
tactics is are there any gaps in really
looking at at the police department kind
of like from a 360 Birds ey View and
that's what I've been doing the last the
last couple of years while I was working
as a police officer um I went back for a
master's degree in criminal justice and
a law degree um so that's kind kind of
my background and then I've been doing
social media content over over at U my
channel police law news and then also
here over on Copwatch TV I've been doing
this show on Copwatch TV for just about
2 years years or so now so if you don't
follow us um please go ahead and make
sure that you subscribe to this channel
because we do do this show every single
week um you know I was able to retire
you know after only working for about 18
and a half years um I'm curious if
there's any other retired police
officers in here if you could put what
state and how long you actually worked
because a working only 18 and a half
years my guests just from talking to
police officers around the country is
really on the lower end of when police
officers can retire um I was lucky
enough when I started in 2005 to be in
the state of New Mexico where the police
retirement was only 20 years I was able
to buy a year and then I was able to buy
a year and then you know burn out sick
vacations I only had to work for about
18 and a half years I know there are
some states like Indiana um whereas you
know you have to work you have to work a
certain amount of years then it becomes
like a math problem it's a certain
amount of years and then it's a certain
amount of years and then um and then uh
it's you have to be a certain age and
then it's at that point that that you
can retire but luckily when I started it
was a 20year retirement um let's see uh
Clea says do you have a shagrin Falls
patch or a bane Bridge uh patch um no I
don't think that we do um but um any
patches that you want to send us we will
definitely add to our wall and we're
going to put instructions here in the
chat here uh in a second for that um so
you know the reason why I'm I'm I'm I'm
I'm kind of going going through this is
that you know I I didn't want to let
everyone know that I I just retired and
um again like there are some things in
policing where I feel pretty comfortable
on you know when it comes to DUI when it
comes to drunk driving investigations um
again that's all I did for about four
and a half years I was an instructor at
the time that I was in the DWI unit I
was making more DWI arrests than anyone
else in the state I was doing between
three and 400 a year um also you know I
being in uh being with uh Internal
Affairs Force division investigating use
of force um you know I feel pretty
comfortable that I I have a significant
amount of knowledge when it comes to
force now if you want to talk about um
vehicle crash reconstruction or or
evidence collection or blood blood
splatter that stuff I'm not going to
know anything about okay so that's the
kind of stuff where you know I would
never claim to be I never claim to be an
expert anyways but that's not the kind
of stuff that I would I would ever talk
about with any kind of authority because
I have no idea about that kind of stuff
that just hasn't been my experience um I
also never worked in a homicide unit or
anything like that so when it comes to
more complex criminal investigations um
you know I worked Patrol wi and then in
Internal Affairs so you know when it
comes to more complex felony
investigations or evidence collection
crime scene investigation um you know
that just isn't uh that isn't something
that I I ever did but DWI basic Patrol
tactics for over a decade and then um
use of force um along with my uh La law
degree um I feel comfortable in talking
about um you know these types of issues
um so the first case that we're going to
get into and it it really just it really
just it would be it just to be honest it
would be strange for me to retire from
the Albuquerque Police Department
literally the same day that a huge
Scandal an alleged Scandal hit the
Albuquerque Police Department without me
talking about it so I'm going to talk
about this this case first even though
it's a little bit uncomfortable for for
me to talk about um but you know I
retired yesterday and and just to to put
it out there the way that retirement
Works maybe not everywhere but at least
for me is I didn't get to pick my
retirement date the way it works is you
talk to human resources and you say Hey
you know I would like to retire Human
Resources goes through all of your
paperwork they see this is how much sick
time you have here's how much vacation
time you have here's how many you know
holidays are coming up and basically
Human Resources several months in
advance says gives you what your
retirement date is so the retirement
date it's not like I woke up yesterday
and decided to retire no this is this is
paperwork that was uh that was paperwork
that was filled out months ago um and
basically Human Resources tells you when
you're going to retire what human
resources told me is that hey if you
don't take any time off January 18th is
going to be your retirement date so that
that was my retirement date well I
handed in all my stuff did everything
like people do when they retire and
later on in the day a pretty big news
story hit the Albuquerque Police
Department and and I just want to say
there isn't a whole lot of information
known and I don't have any extra
information about this really all I know
is what's on the news but because this
is probably going to be a pretty big
National story um I felt that it would
be it would be strange for me to say I
retired from Albuquerque police and then
not at least mention this so so
basically here's what we know so far um
that the the district attorney in beralo
County so beralo county is the county
that the city of albuquer is in um the
district attorney um is a guy named Sam
bregman I know Sam I've known him for
years um when I started off as an
officer um back in 2005 2006 Sam was a
defense attorney and what I can say
about him is he was one of the best most
competent toughest defense attorneys out
there Sam is a guy that you wanted on
your team I I can't say enough one of
the best attorneys in in the state of
New Mexico me um and his son is uh Alex
bregman who is the uh star baseball
player for the Houston Astros um so uh
that's Sam bregman he uh he became our
district attorney in Bern Leo County
last year our district attorney um uh
was elected to attorney general the spot
the so the DA's office was vacant and
Sam was appointed by the governor um so
again Sam is an incredible attorney and
he's done a great job as da um over the
last year or so that he's been there um
and basically what he came with
yesterday the District Attorney's office
is they said that there were 144 DWI
cases um that were essentially dismissed
by the DA's office um and all they said
is that essentially it was in reference
to a federal investigation and they said
that you know if you have any other
questions about this federal
investigation well go and ask the feds
so that's exactly what local media here
in Albuquerque did they went ahead and
they so that's exactly what the local
media did uh they went ahead and um you
know they asked the feds hey you know
all these DWI cases were dismissed they
said it was in reference to a federal
investigation what can you guys tell us
and really all that all that the feds
were were able to say is that there
there was an investigation involving
some Albuquerque Police Department
officers uh we don't know how many but
there is some there is allegations uh
there is allegations of some type of
Kickback scheme um with some Albuquerque
police officers and um uh and uh some
defense attorneys in Albuquerque we
don't have any information uh we don't
know who though who officers are um only
that this story um this story just hit
yesterday um and let let me read uh let
me read the the the statement uh by Tara
uh M duberry she's the secretary to the
US attorney she said we can confirm
federal law enforcement activity at the
location in Albuquerque done with the
full cooperation of the Albuquerque poli
police department um they essentially
declined to comment any further um the
spokesman for the Albuquerque Police
Department Gil gyos he released a
statement um just before 9:00 p.m.
yesterday where basically he said APD
has been working with the FBI for the
past several months on an investigation
involving members of the department and
due to the sensitive nature of the
investigation some officers have been
placed on administrative leave and
others will be temporarily reassigned
within the department APD leadership is
working closely with the FBI to ensure a
complete and thorough investigation can
be completed um so again because I just
worked for the uh uh because I just uh
worked and again it'll be interesting to
see how closely APD um has worked with
the FBI since many of the officers that
are implicated in this you know we're
working with the DWI unit really as of
as of last week and have pending cases
um in New Mexico but again Sam bregman
did say that uh Sam bregman did say that
uh 144 of them have been have been
dismissed so we will definitely um keep
an eye on that um like I said because
I've been here with the Albuquerque
Police Department for you know almost
two decades I I probably know most of
the people involved and uh what I'm
hoping is that it's not true or it's a
very uh it's a very minimal version of
what has been uh uh uh alleged um and
yeah a question came up is why did I
retire and and you know essentially be
because I could um you know again we
have a 20-year retirement here in New
Mexico and um yeah I'm 41 years old and
I was able to retire and I felt that it
was time to move on um someone else as
what my plans are um again because I did
I did go to law school um you know I'm
going to get licensed here and uh work
work as an attorney um either here or in
Colorado um here in the next uh six
months or so that's that's my plan I'm
also do more social media content
writing more on substack and um uh be
here on this show for you all um every
Friday those are pretty much my plans um
all right so the next case that we're
going to talk about um thankfully
doesn't involve the Albuquerque Police
Department but it is kind of a weird
corrupt Scandal kind of a thing in New
York and and this is a case where you
know a lot of times we get we get
comments or I get messages on uh uh
Twitter or or uh T Tik Tok or Instagram
some of the other channels that I I do
content on and people like to bash
police unions and you know I think it's
only fair to say that you know my only
experience with police unions is is the
police Union here in New Mexico that
I've been a part of and and I should say
that not only have I been a part of a
police Union but I've been a rep for the
police Union for about six years you
know representing officers in Discipline
matters I was an elected rep as a union
rep for about for about six years um and
so the only experience that I have with
with the police Union is here and I hear
about these stories all around and stuff
like that and you know if this case that
I'm going to get into here in a minute
if it's true and it it seems like it is
yeah I get why some people have some
issues with police unions or think that
police unions have too much power what I
could say here in New Mexico is that
police unions don't have enough power no
one really cares what police unions
think um there's been a time so let me
just put it out there so when people say
that police unions have too much power I
kind of laugh at that and and and again
just from my personal experience and
here's why back um in and around 2008
2010 sometime around then I don't know
the exact year our police Union had a
contract with the city where we were we
we we gave some things up as a police
Union in exchange for some some pay
raises that we were supposed to have
essentially those pay raises were
supposed to take effect in like a
three-year thing like this year the
offic will get this much and this much
and that much and that was a contract so
again the union Gate gave some stuff up
in exchange for you know it was it was
in agreement with the city well that was
around the time that the economy went to
I don't know if it was 2009 2008
2010 sometime around then and basically
when it when it came time to get those
different raises the City of Albuquerque
basically said sorry sorry we're not
going to pay you sue us and that's
exactly what we had to do so here again
when people say the police unions have
too much power we couldn't even hold the
city to enforce a contract that they
signed and we did it took about 5 years
the police Union had to sue the city and
um yeah the the money that we were
supposed to get we never ended up
getting it we ended up settling in court
years later for uh about 10% of what we
were owed so that again that's my
experience with you know how powerful
police unions are and I'm going to say I
acknowledge that isn't the case around
the country case in point being this
case in New York City when it comes to
Courtesy cards now the idea of courtesy
cards to me it's really strange because
we don't have that here in New Mexico um
again being a police officer for almost
two decades I have never once seen a
courtesy card or anything like that as
being a member as being a member of of
of of of a police Union this just isn't
something that we do but apparently U
this isn't the case and I know this is
an East Coast thing so when I tell you
this it almost seems like it's it's a
script from a 1980s uh Sylvester
Stallone movie it's really strange so so
so basically it it it has to do with
courtesy cards now apparently what these
courtesy cards are are essentially the
the police unions in New York City
here's what the allegations are is that
these po there's five different police
unions in New York City who represent
you know sergeants and officers and uh
uh detectives and and stuff like that
and then they hand out these cards
they're essentially they're essentially
um they're uh they're essentially these
laminated cards and um you know doesn't
have any instructions on them but you
know each officer gets five of them and
they hand them out to family and friends
and the idea behind it is that if you
get stopped and you have one of these
cards you show the card to the officer
and that officer it's supposed to give
you a break to not write you a ticket or
anything like that and you know and
that's and to me so I'm just going to
say it that seems like a bad idea that
seems strange that seems foreign in 20
years of being a cop I've never seen
anything in real life again I live in
New Mexico this happens in New York city
so again it's it's far away and I I
think this is kind of an East Coast
thing because even in a lot of the
conferences that i' I've been to around
the country and and we're talking with
police officers it seems like only
police officers in the east coast you
know have ever seen this kind of thing
in person well there was a well there is
a police officer his name is Matthew
biani he's with NYPD and you know
essentially he said no this is
that everyone should be treated equally
under a law under the law and you know
what that's a principle that I agree
with everybody should be treated equally
under the law um everybody should be
treated equally under the law and um you
know he was basically writing tickets to
individuals who had these cards well
here's so um you know what Matthew bian
with officer bian is saying is that
essentially he was retaliated for this
so not only were members of the Union
this is his allegations he filed the
lawsuit so here's what his allegations
are he says that because of this because
of this happened that you know he was
basically not only threatened by by the
union basically the union is saying
Union officials saying to him hey we're
the ones who protect you if you get in
trouble so you may you may want to honor
these cards he also alleges that Command
Staff that like his direct supervisors
were saying hey like you need to honor
these cards you need to play along with
this part of the Brotherhood you know
otherwise we're going to move you from
your Traffic Unit we're going to put you
on nights and and all these kinds of
things so you know he filed he filed a
civil lawsuit against multiple members
of the New York City Police Department
and again and against the the police
Union uh alleging all of these things so
it'll be really interesting to to to see
to see what happens and um you know like
like I said I I this is this is a
terrible idea it's a bad idea um you
know and that's why I think it's good to
see different perspective so when I sit
here and I say that police unions really
don't have a whole lot of power um that
that's that's been they're important but
you know they really don't have a whole
lot of power like that's that would be
that that's my experience and then I
hear someone else from New York City
maybe say no no police unions have a lot
of power they actually have too much
power here's an example of it like I get
it not every single Police Department
every culture in every Police Department
or Union is exactly the same so this
seems like it's going on it it seems
like it's an East Coast thing um and
again this this principle of these
courtesy cards this is something that
should have been left in the 1980s it's
really strange it's it's got no place in
policing um the idea of equal protection
under the law that is something that is
incredibly important and especially now
with body camera so what are these
officers doing are are they going up to
are they going up to make traffic stops
and then you know when someone shows
shows them a card are they stopping the
body camera like can we get footage of
this stuff I mean it it the whole thing
seems really strange um so I'm I'm
really curious to see what's up of your
thoughts about that are Let's see we got
uh cleen's agility says uh I've seen a
lot of videos of people trying to pull
that my brother my father's a police
officer statement when they are pulled
over for being drunk um I don't like the
idea of courtesy cards yeah know I've
seen that too um absolutely um Steve
lader says what percentage of the city
budget is being used for police I have
no idea Steve um I don't I don't know
the answer to that um but my guess is a
Google search of the City of Albuquerque
and that question would probably get you
the answer though um that is I don't
work in the budget office so I do not
know that off the top of my head though
the majority of police departments spend
the mo the majority of cities spend
their money on public safety and fire um
so you know but my guess is it's
probably a pretty pretty big percentage
but I don't I don't know off the top of
my head um my guess is it's in line with
other cities um so so that's the idea of
these courtesy cards it's it's a real
strange thing and this is a lawsuit that
I'm I'm going to be I'm going to be
filing um I think it's it's also that
officer biion I think that he should be
commended um you know basically what he
said is he said that he made a complain
again this is his allegation not saying
it's true this is what he's alleging in
his lawsuit he's alleging that he went
to Internal Affairs and filed the
complaint and that essentially that they
never followed up with him um Internal
Affairs the New York City Police
Department did did respond and said that
that isn't true so again hopefully we
get some of some of these some of these
facts out here because you know what we
all want is for people to be treated
equally under the law and a lot of us we
just want to know what happened and we
want this kind of stuff to stop it's
absolutely silly let's see Deborah says
courtesy cards are ridiculous I saw a
video where a smashed woman slurred
about having a gold card she was
referring to the courtesy card yeah
courtesy cards are absolutely ridiculous
and you know this is one of the reasons
Deborah why I love body cams not just
not just because not just because um you
know I I I'm here on you know really the
the best body cam Channel out there but
I think it's important for transparency
we need to see what happens if anybody
has any video or anybody knows of any
body cam video of a of a of someone
trying to give a police officer a
courtesy card definitely send us a
message with that uh so we can uh uh so
we can uh um so we can uh look look into
that because that's a body camera
footage that uh we like to put up here
um all right so the I'm going to talk
about this off an officer involved
shooting in in Idaho and you know this
is a really interesting officer involved
shooting case and um you know um it's
it's it's got a pretty good lesson for
it here at the end um and and definitely
anything that I've uh anything that I've
done uh said today why don't you go
ahead and put questions um here in the
comments section we'll go ahead and get
to those as I'm going through this so
this is a case that actually happened
about a year ago um the reason that
we're talking about it now is because
the body camera footage just came out on
this case so this happened in Boise
Idaho we don't have a whole lot of cases
from Boise Idaho but you know this is
this is one of them so we have this case
in Boise Idaho so here's what happened
so you know police officers were
dispatched to a call of an individual
ends up being a guy named uh uh Henry
Andrews and he was walking in the middle
of the highway um that was the that was
a call that police got that hey there's
a guy walking in the middle of the
highway now again we let's criticize
police officers when they make mistakes
but let's not when they do what they're
supposed to do so a police officer is
dispatched to that call and you know
that's a reasonable thing a police
officer has to go to that call now at
the time you might be thinking well that
isn't a real serious thing and you know
what it when it comes to like what kind
of crime it is it probably isn't so you
know walking in the middle of the
highway it's probably a misdemeanor
crime in New Mexico it would be like
obstructing traffic or something like
that which is a pretty low level
misdemeanor but just because it's a
misdemeanor crime doesn't mean it's not
dangerous so if someone is walking in
the middle of the road obviously that
could be a life or death situation for
the person who's walking in the highway
also what if someone stops and tries to
help him could be dangerous for them
also other vehicles you can imagine a
situation where a normal person is
driving down the road and all of the
sudden there's a dude walking in the
middle of the highway maybe that car
swerves they cause another crash or or
or they they involve in a fatal crash
trying to avoid him so even though it's
a misim crime it's actually something
that could be really dangerous so the
reason so police officers responding
pretty quickly to something like this
kind of call um you know that's that's
probably what's going to happen but you
know as you see on this channel a lot of
other channels you know when police
officers get a call you know by the time
they get there a few minutes later a lot
of times the information they get from
the caller isn't the same you know so a
case like this maybe the time the
officer gets that the individual has
walked off the highway their block away
you know but but that's not what
happened here so police officers get
this call of Mr Andrews walking in the
middle of the highway a sergeant
responds and that's exactly what he sees
he sees a dude walking in the middle of
the highway ends up being Mr Andrew so
the sergeant does what he's supposed to
do he stops his vehicle behind Mr
Andrews pretty much as soon as he stops
behind Mr Andrews by this time Mr
Andrews wasn't in the middle of the
highway he was basically in the right
lane and as soon as the police officer
came on scene with his lights lights on
Mr Andrews did walk um to the shoulder
and did get out of traffic um so you
know the officer steps out of his
vehicle and he starts to make and he
starts to make um a starts to talk to Mr
Andrews uh you know from from his car
it's at that point that he sees that Mr
Andrews is holding a giant knife in his
hand so he's holding this big knife in
his hand and you know this is the first
time that the sergeant realizes hey this
guy's holding a knife and Mr Andrew
starts to walk towards the police
officer immediately the officer does you
know what he's supposed to do he yells
stop he yells drop the knife and Mr
Andrews keeps walking towards the police
officer the officer then goes from you
know giving commands of what to do and
he gives a force warning now a force
warning is is really what we want police
officers to do it's not always feasible
to do but when police officers can they
should here's what that means it's not
just giving commands like you know drop
the knife drop the gun get on the ground
yeah officers should do that too but a
force warning is basically giving people
a little bit more information saying hey
if you don't do this here's the
consequence of that you know and again
it's not always feasible to do but the
sergeant did it in this case the
sergeant said drop the knife or I'll
shoot you that's pretty specific right I
mean if you weren't sure what the police
officer was telling you to do that
should make you sure so the officer says
drop the knife or I'm going to shoot you
instead of following those commands Mr
Andrew decided he was going to keep
walking towards the police officer the
sergeant gave two different Force
warnings the second warning of drop the
knife or I'll shoot you he only let Mr
Andrew take about two more steps and he
did fire his weapon at Mr Andrews um one
of the one of the rounds fired um uh so
Mr Andrews was injured I believe he was
shot in the leg he was he was injured um
and and you know the reason why I wanted
to cover this case is that you know Mr
Andrews did not die um he didn't die and
um you know pretty much after he was
shot you know officers were able to to
run up to him Ki kick the knife away
they were able to render Aid and and
know basically save his life save his
leg he was injured um the story does
have a happy ending in that you know a
quick review not a quick review about a
year review of of this case from the
District Attorney's office um basically
said that the police officer followed
the law and that the shooting was was
legal that there aren't going to be any
charges against the police officer
essentially that the police officer was
courageous and followed the law on the
other side of that um Mr Andrews was
sentenced to 25 years in prison for um
aggravated assault with a deadly weapon
against the police officer so um you
know I'm not saying everyone should be a
cop in Idaho but listen if you're
thinking should I be a cop in
Minneapolis or in Boise pick Boise okay
um because again this is a case where
this is obviously a reasonable lawful
and Justified officer involved shooting
so we shouldn't be surprised when that's
what happens when the da says that the
cop did everything right and was
courageous and didn't violate any laws
and the bad guy is put in jail for over
two decades again that always that
shouldn't that should be the norm when
stuff like this happens but
unfortunately it's not but it did end
that way in this case and the other
thing that I that I I want to say and
this is where the where the the the
important lesson comes in is that you
know really what what what happened in
this case is as the officers right after
the shooting as the officers are
rendering Aid and the reason I'm say
this part is because there's a lot of
people are going to say is well why how
did the officer know that he was going
to attack him with a knife and maybe he
couldn't hear him maybe um you know um
maybe he he should have tried to use a
Taser first or you can't all these
ridiculous things that you know people
say when they've they have the luxury
and the privilege of never you know
being on the other end of someone trying
to stab you with a knife um is that as
the officers were rendering Aid and
basically Saving Mr Andrew's life and
this is on body camera video Mr Andrew
said I wanted to kill you the officer
the sergeant who was who was rendering
Aid and getting a tourni kit on his leg
he he was almost in disbelief thinking
like I'm trying to save this guy's life
what did he just say so he asked him to
repeat himself and a second time Mr
Andrew says I wanted to kill you and
that's where the lesson comes if you're
a police officer out there never second
guess a deadly threat never second guess
a deadly threat because you may not get
a second chance because all these people
who are going to say that the officer
this wasn't a deadly force situation
that the police office shouldn't have
fired that they should have used a taser
all of these different things when it
comes down to it the police officer knew
he knew this guy with a knife who is
advancing towards him and not following
instructions he knew what the intent was
the intent was to use that knife to kill
the police officer and that's exactly
what Mr Andrew said that his intention
was going to do he said I wanted to kill
you it's a good thing the officer
utilized deadly force and not a taser or
any other kind of less lethal weapons
when I talked about this on on on uh
Twitter um I believe someone asked the
question you know sometimes people ask
really good questions a lot of times
people ask really good really good
questions and you know someone someone
phrased it something effect of hey like
I'm a supporter of law enforcement but
can can you tell me why the officer
didn't use a Taser and my response was
hey that's such a great question I'm
really happy to answer that question
here's the reason why the officer didn't
use a Taser and shouldn't use a Taser is
because tasers fail approximately 40% of
the time and when I say they fail 40% of
the time that that's not the most
accurate way to say it essentially
tasers don't have the desired outcome
40% of the time and it's usually not
because of the taser device it's usually
because the person is wearing a jacket
they have too many clothes on or in
order for a taser deployment you know to
basically have effect to where you know
someone is in incapacitated for 5
seconds basically a taser shoots out two
different prongs both of the prongs have
to hit the individual okay um so you
know it's basically like shooting a gun
where two bullets come out and they both
have to hit now if the taser prongs land
too close together that's called not
having enough spread please if there's
another taser instructor in here correct
me if I said that wrong but essentially
the more spread you have the more it's
going to work so if you hit someone with
a taser kind of in the belly and then in
the thigh with each prong that's a
pretty good that's a pretty good spread
um as long as they're not wearing like a
heavy jacket or something it's probably
going to work also again imagine trying
to hit a moving Target under stress with
essentially a weapon system that fires
out two things again so so so it's it's
usually not the taser device It's
usually the clothing someone's wearing
because it's hard to hit a moving Target
all of these things where 40% of the
time tasers don't have the desired
effect so what that means if someone is
bearing down on you with a knife and you
shoot them with a taser and the taser
doesn't work there's a 40% chance that
that person is probably going to be able
to stab you in the neck and kill you so
again now most police officers aren't
going to take that you know 40% chance
that they're going to be stabbed to
death if the taser doesn't work that's
if there's a single officer now let's
say there's two or three cops yeah okay
if there's two or three police let's say
there's only two if there's two police
officers on this Boise Idaho call here's
what I would say is what police
departments should train police officers
to do one police officer should keep his
gun out his or her gun out and should
stay lethal Force the other police
officer should use should attempt to use
some type of less than lethal Force they
should have a force array they should
have maybe a bean bag shotgun maybe a 40
mm or a taser yes absolutely that is
100% correct also ideally it would be
great if there was a crisis intervention
officer there too if I could think of
like my dream team like my
1992 NBA Dream Team of what I want yeah
what I want is is is four police
officers there I want two police
officers there who have who have um who
have lethal Force out one police officer
who has less than lethal and then
another police officer who's also armed
with less than lethal but their main job
is to do Crisis Intervention for the for
the person so that's what I would want
now obviously in a case like this you
cannot dispatch four different police
officers for every single call A A call
where a guy is walking in the middle of
the street um a call where a guy is
walking in the middle you can't send
four cops all those things I mean just
like Steve said if you want 90% of your
city budget to to be cops um uh yeah
then then then maybe but you know the
sergeant happened to be alone this is
the kind of call that only a single
officer goes to and again the officer
didn't have any time the sergeant he was
bearing down him with a knife so so so
so that so that's what I want to say is
a never second guess a deadly threat um
Steve says taser have put lots of people
in boxes and medical examiners have
covered it up I'm going to go ahead and
disagree with you there Steve but if you
have any research link it here's why and
and you know here's why I'm I'm going to
say this Steve is because tasers have
been around probably since about 200000
early 2000s or so when I was finished up
my undergraduate degree in 2005 we were
talking about taser so I know they were
from before 2005 and um I probably
around 2000 I could be off by a year or
two but that's that's my guess is when
tasers became popular in policing now in
the police I've said this a bunch of
times but in the police academy I was
tased with every other Cadet in my
Academy I was tased two different times
in the police academy my point by saying
that is if tasers were killing people
left in right police departments would
not put police departments would not put
um would not do it to their Cadets if it
was something that was going to kill
them um there were four you know I think
we gra my police cadet class probably
had you know 26 people we graduated um
you know my Police Department
Albuquerque Police Department I think we
hire you know somewhere around a 100
people a year give or take every single
one of those individuals um you know are
are tased um twice so so let's just take
that let's say my Police Department
let's just take my Police Department
Albuquerque Police as an example let's
put that against what what Steve has
said let's see what let's just use
common sense here so I've been on the
police department for just about 19
years okay 19 years 100 people a year so
that's 1900 different tasing of police
officers but everybody is everybody is
tased twice so now we're at about 3,800
tasing so my Police Department had 3,800
tasing of police officers in the last 19
years and no one has been injured or
died um also compare that to the
thousands of times that tasers have been
used by Albuquerque Police and I think
only a couple of people have died now
here's when tasers can kill you so if
you are someone who um has heart
problems let's say you're 88 years old
and you have heart problems yes could
could could that have some kind of
effect sure now how many 88 year olds
are tased by police officers not not a
whole lot right um also um if you're
high as on drugs there stimulants
cocaine meth if your heart is all amped
up on a ton of cocaine and then
your tase yes we have seen different
cases where that can have a negative
effect it's pretty rare but then again
in a situation like that is as a police
officer is talking to someone and they
Tas them you know a police officer can't
say hey Hey sir you're going ape
over there would you mind telling
us everything you've taken for the last
24 hours so we know if it's safe to tase
you no usually a taser is utilized so a
firearm doesn't have to be so yes are
tasers perfect no are batons perfect no
is OC or mace or 40 mm or bean bag
shotguns are they perfect weapon systems
no but in general is it better to tase
someone a little bit early so you don't
wait 5 10 15 seconds and you have to
shoot them of course because the vast
majority of the time 99.99% of the time
a taser is not going to kill you again
if a taser was going to kill people then
they wouldn't do it to police Cadets in
the academy that's my point and that's
just using some common sense you're
better than that Steve um and cjun Randy
says no 8 year-old should be tased by a
cop I agree I agree uh cjun Randy I
don't like to say things in absolutes
but uh yeah absent absent and uh absence
and uh 88-year-old uh being uh uh armed
with a gun or something like that there
aren't no whole lot of 88y olds are
going to be tased by police um and uh
they probably shouldn't be tased by
police um all right uh let's see one
more from Steve tasers were turned down
in the early 2000s after a medical
examiner was tased to death in Cameron
Louis that's possible again again I'm
not I'm just saying I I've been a police
officer Steve since 2005 um that that's
what I can talk about if you're going to
sit here and uh if you're going to if
you're going to sit here and uh uh tell
me that there were problems with tasers
in 2001 and uh taser fixed it and uh you
know they're much better now I'm going
to believe you because it seems like
technology always gets better um but
taser are pretty safe again when I was
in the police academy I was never hit
with a baton uh they never shot me with
a bean bag shotgun they never shot me
with a 40 mm because even though those
are less lethal those could cause some
serious damage um tasers pretty much
don't it's uncomfortable for about 5
seconds and then you're totally fine
again for the ninth time they would not
do it to police officers in the police
academy if they thought it was going to
it was going to cause them to drop dead
right that's just common sense um all
right so that's that's the the last
topic that I was going to talk about
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