good afternoon this is Daniel here with
Copwatch TV just want to welcome
everyone into our live show we're going
to talk about some of the most
interesting cases in policing from the
last week or so I'm real curious to see
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a road map of where we're going actually
the first case that we're going to talk
about today is an incident from some
body camera footage that we posted
earlier this week that is really
interesting to watch uh let's see looks
like we got uh Kate is from North
Carolina uh tyan tyrannical tours is
from Florida auti autistic shill hey
how's it going so yeah put in the in the
in the chat there where where you guys
are from really curious and also as I'm
going through some of these cases and
you know two of the cases that we're
going to cover today are are pretty
controversial cases the last case is a
case that I've covered before however
there is a pretty significant update and
you know I didn't think it was going to
be but it's probably been one of the
most controversial and most argued about
cases that we've had over the last year
so that's going to be the last case we
do and also one of the officer involved
shootings that I'm going to talk about
today is a case where an officer is
actually on trial right now for an
officer involved shooting so we're going
to go ahead and talk about and discuss
that case as well but all right so the
first case I want to talk about again
this is a video that we posted over here
on Copwatch TV we got some body camera
footage from Lexing Lexington Oklahoma
so let me tell you about what happened
on this on on this case and you know
what this is really pretty much just
like Super Troopers in real life when
you have one agency fighting another
agency in public on body camera video
instead of dealing with like an actual
threat that's taking place this is it's
actually it's absolutely pretty crazy
maybe we'll go ahead and put the link to
this video in the chat just in case you
haven't seen it but essentially this is
a case where in Lexington Oklahoma a
Lexington City police officer initiates
a traffic stop on a vehicle that's
traveling about 30 miles over the speed
limit I think it's about 85 and 55 and
from what I can tell on the body camera
video it doesn't look like there's any
kind of a government plate or anything
to indicate that this was a police car
it looks like a minivan you know that's
what it looks like it looks like some
kind of a minivan SUV um that was that
that was pulled over you know as the the
police officer makes contact with the
driver the driver informs um informs the
uh police officer that he's actually the
the county sheriff and he's on the way
to a SWAT call and you know it's at that
point that the officer says well you
know I didn't know that there was a SWAT
call in the area um so it was at that
point that you know he doesn't write a
ticket uh he doesn't ride a ticket or
anything like that the um he doesn't
Rite a ticket the sheriff goes on his
way to the SWAT call and the officer
radios it in um to dispatch and you know
I'm just going to do a little little bit
of a tangent here because I'm really
curious to see what other police
officers um here think but you know I
guess if it were me if if I stopped a
car and it was an officer who was is
going to a SWAT call out in the area I
guess my first thought would be like hey
do you guys need anything you know can
we help have you notified our dispatch
is there any way that we can help and
that's that's where my mind would go but
it correct me if I'm wrong or anyone
who's watched the video put in the chat
to me it seems like that the officer is
almost offended that he wasn't told or
he wasn't informed that there was a SWAT
call in the neighborhood and again to me
that's that's just crazy you know I'm
used to police officers cuz when where I
just retired from the Albuquerque Police
Department you know we have a a a county
sheriff the beralo county sheriff's
office is right next to Albuquerque
police and there are a lot of areas that
are pretty much on the border and at
least from from my experience and
working you know working uh 20 years
with the Albuquerque Police Department
it's very rare for police officers
fighting over who wants to take primary
on a call if anything the the the two
different agencies are fighting because
they don't want to take primary on a
call because they both have a lot of
other to do so again the idea that
this officer wants to be involved in
this and and is upset that he that his
Police Department hasn't been told to me
that's just that that that's just crazy
that I guess that would just never
happen if I stopped a County officer or
a a deputy with the county who was going
to a SWAT call and they say hey I'm
going to swat call you anything no good
have a good time awesome and and and
I'll go back to work the last thing that
I want to do I'm not looking to give
myself any more work and that's pretty
much been my experience but this is a
smaller town so maybe that's not the
case there so what ends up happening is
the sheriff goes to the SWAT call out
and several different police officers
with the city they end up on the SWAT
call as well and these basically they
have they have an argument where it's
basically a couple different police
officers and a couple different deputies
with with the sheriff's department
pretty much have a yelling and a
screaming match and at one point there
there there's a lieutenant with the with
the with the sheriff's department who
really has to be held back because he's
so upset with the officers uh from the
police department who are there on scene
kind of giving them because they
didn't they didn't tell them they didn't
inform them about the about the SWAT
call and I just think like is it is an
argument like this like in public like
that they were there for to conduct a
SWAT call on someone who had you know a
felony warrant so it's almost like this
argument having this argument was more
important than actually getting the the
bad guy into custody which is just crazy
so I just wanted to to let you guys know
about that video If you haven't watched
already it's a short video we put the
link in the chat it is Incredible video
and honestly this is this is just like
again it this is like Super Troopers in
real life so why don't you go ahead and
watch it and then either on this video
or on or on that that video um if you
want to go ahead and let us know who you
think is at fault um I'm going to tell
you what I think you know I think that
both areas both police departments are
at fault you know I think that the the
county sheriff um I think that the
actual police officer with Lexington
that he probably should have just minded
his own business and then also the
sheriff's department once the police
officers got unseen they really didn't
have to be um uh cjun Randy
says a child is temper tantrum um uh
yeah and you know so uh I think it's
also fair to say that you know a lot of
the comments um on this video so go
ahead and interact with them on the link
that we just posted but you know some of
these police officers believe it or not
this is going to be a real shock to some
people aren't in the best shape um so
you know we did have a comment that made
us laugh um someone said that this video
is like a meal team six um so definitely
go ahead and check that out it's an
Incredible video um all right so um the
next case I'm going to I'm going to talk
about this actually comes from Columbus
Ohio um and this is a case I'm I'm going
to talk about because the officer
actually is not only is he facing murder
charges he's actually on trial right now
so um I believe that there was a break
in the trial and it's going to continue
here on Tuesday I learned about this
case um from officer Ben thoughts of a
police officer it's a channel that I
follow on Instagram and also on Twitter
um but yeah but officer Ben he he's an
officer in Columbus Ohio and he posts a
lot and he was talking about this case
that's kind of where I learned about it
from cuz being here in the in the
southwest part of the country I don't
always hear about every single officer
involved shooting or even when police
officers are on trial for crimes um or
there they're being prosecuted for
something you even though I this is what
I do I follow these issues I don't
always hear about everything but you
know it was officer Ben who told me
about this one so basically this this
happened in Columbus Ohio last year and
essentially it happened with a guy named
Officer Jason me so Officer Jason me he
was part of a task force working with
the US Marshals and essentially what
happens in these task forces it it's
typically federal agents and then
usually they take a couple different
police officers from a couple different
police departments so you could see a
situation where maybe there's four or
five US Marshals and they go to some of
the surrounding areas maybe Columbus
Police will give them um a couple
officers and then you know what I've I
haven't been to Ohio since I was a kid
so I don't have any idea what other
towns are around Columbus Ohio um but
you know then you know there's a couple
of the surrounding areas maybe maybe a
county sheriff that they work with those
Federal officers essentially as their
full-time job and you know a lot of
times there's you think you think to
yourself well why would a police
department do that like everybody needs
police officers like why would you give
why would you give like a police officer
over to the feds well a lot of times you
know the federal government has a grant
and actually sometimes pays the salary
equipment overtime um um for those
officers so there's some Financial
incentive and usually it's there's some
problem in the area so the Columbus
Police Department for example might say
Hey listen we have all of these
fugitives people who've you know skipped
bail but they have like these felony
warrants we actually don't have time as
the Columbus Police Department to go out
and arrest all of these people but we're
actually going to put one or two
officers for this and they're going to
work with the feds and other agencies so
here's this kind of big problem when it
comes to you know people with these
felony warrants and they're kind of
they're going to help us out with this
so you can see that there's some benefit
for the community as well you know which
is why they have these Federal task
forces with the Albuquerque Police
Department I believe we had a task force
with the FBI and with the ATF as well I
think that's really common so anyways um
officer me he is part of a task force so
when it comes this he typically he
doesn't isn't driving a police car he's
not in uniform typically these officers
are in plain clothes but they either
have a vest that says you know police or
US Marshals or they have some type of a
jacket that says that to indicate that
they are law enforcement so he was
driving officer me was driving in an
unmarked car and as he was driving
here's what he claims he claims that as
he was driving um he passed by a car
that was driven by a 23-year-old man
named Casey Goodson the officer me says
that as they passed by each other you
know kind of on a side street then Mr
Goodson pulled out a handgun and
basically was waving a handgun at him as
they were driving by well you know being
part of a fugitive task force where they
go after people with felony warrants you
know you see that that might raise raise
a
a suspicion of of an officer um in that
in that kind of an area so what the
officer did is he he basically he he he
he pulled behind the car he stopped and
and he kind of followed the car once Mr
Goodson got out of the car um he the
officer claims that Mr Goodson pretty
much started running away to a house
well you know um officer officer me says
that you know he was identifying himself
as a federal agent you know he already
saw that the that he was a law
enforcement officer working with this
taskforce an officer me said that you
know as the as Mr Goodson was just about
to enter this house that he pulled out
the handgun and actually pointed the
handgun at the police officer officer me
said that in response to having the
handgun pointed at him that he did fight
six different rounds and five of them
hit Mr Goodson um so that's that's
basically the facts of of that case now
let me tell you what some of the well
that's what officer me said is the facts
of that case so the house that Mr
Goodson was going to was his
grandmother's house so he had a legal
reason to be at that house there's no
issue with him going to that house and
here's what some of the things that that
that the family member said and really
what the dispute is the dispute is over
whether or not Mr Goodson actually was
pointing a gun at the police police
officer so there isn't a dispute whether
or not he had a gun because the evidence
is is that you know once the shooting
started that Mr Goodson actually took a
couple steps into the house and he
actually died right there in the kitchen
well basically what the evidence shows
is that there was actually a handgun
next to him as he laid there in the
kitchen once he had passed away so we
know that he had a gun and if you listen
to what his family said and the family
attorney says for Mr Goodson is that yes
he he had a gun it was a he does have a
concealed carry
and um the gun was holstered essentially
it was in the pants holster um and
that's where the gun was and then after
he was shot that the gun fell out so
that that's basically what the family is
saying they're saying that in his hands
he actually had uh holding a sandwich
and his car keys in his hand now officer
me officer me is saying no no no no no
he had the handgun in his hand he
pointed it at me that's why I fired my
weapon I'm not firing a weapon because
he was holding a sandwich and car keys
no no no like he had had a gun and it
was pointed at me um so but that's
that's what the two sides are saying and
the The Da actually charged the officer
with murder so he's on trial right now
for murder he actually testified last
week in his own defense um it was it was
pretty interesting to see to see what
they what was said in that in that trial
and like I said the trial does pick up
again on Tuesday and I guess you know a
lot of these officer involved shootings
yes they are complicated there there's a
lot of issues but you know when we're
talking especially in in a setting like
this you know this case really comes
down to one question was there if Mr
Goodson had a gun and pointed at the
officer then it's a reasonable Justified
shooting if offic if Mr Goodson didn't
have the handgun in his hand and the gun
was in a holster in his pants then I'm
going to say it's probably not a
reasonable and Justified officer
involved shooting that's really what
this boils down to so now let's look at
what the evidence says what does the
evidence say Well when Mr Goodson fell
to the ground the gun was wasn't in the
holster the gun was on the ground next
to him like he had been holding it and
you know I'm really curious to see what
some of you people think on here so so
again so I I carry off duty I I have I
have forever I carry off duty um and I
and and I carry an an in the pants
holster as well meaning that the holster
goes inside your pants instead of one
that like a police officer would would
have where where it's like a holster
that goes outside you know it's easier
to conceal that way um so so what what
what I'm what I'm what I'm what I'm
asking to see um what what I what what
I'm asking here is that you know in in
in all my situations not just working as
a police officer again I was on the
street for about 15 years in uniform and
then I was a detective for four years
but you know it working in a big violent
city where a lot of people are carrying
guns um I've never seen a situation and
correct me if I'm wrong or if someone
has seen this I've never seen a
situation where someone has an inside
the pants holster and as they're running
or something happens or they get into a
fight where the gun just flies out like
I've never seen that happen so to me
that doesn't that doesn't seem very
reasonable and and I'm going I'm going
to use a couple examples you know I know
this is just for my personal life but I
also trail run I trail run a proximately
20 miles a week I I go up in the
mountains here in Albuquerque and I run
and there were two different times where
I fell pretty bad the last time I fell
was about 18 months ago I was coming
down the mountain and I fell and I fell
so bad that I broke my nose it was real
silly I I fell as I was going I tripped
on a rock and my in my face smashed on a
rock and I I broke my nose as I was
running that was a pretty bad fall um
I've had other bad Falls but that was
probably my worst fa I was carrying a
gun that time as I fell the gun didn't
come out didn't come out at all um there
were other times where I I was running
in much more steeper areas where I also
fell and after I fell I kind of like
slid down the mountain on the trail and
you know if anyone ever saw me do it it
would probably be funny CU I probably
looked ridiculous when it happened but
again in that situation my gun didn't
fall out so I guess the idea that that
the gun would just be in a holster
inside the pants holster and that you
would you would fall or you would fall
back and the gun would just fly out
doesn't make a whole lot of sense so to
me it seems like the evidence is
pointing towards is that Mr Goodson was
holding the gun in his hand and you know
at least that's what happened when the
officer involved shooting happened if
someone is holding a gun and you're
pointing it at you that's probably a
legal and reasonable officer involved
shooting um I'm curious to see what what
you guys what you guys think about this
but to me it seems like that officer
meet if that's the case it seems like
the evidence is pointing towards that
this was a reasonable lawful and
Justified officer involved shooting and
hopefully he is not convicted all right
let's see what some of these comments
are so James Ekko says uh oh James is
watching from communist controlled
California uh let's see curos 234 says
uh not a very well retaining holster if
that was true uh agree and it and it's
possible so so curos I'm going to let
you know so um again Mr Goodson um you
know it's I don't know anything about
his criminal history or anything like
that um but what I do know is he does
have a concealed carry license so he did
go so he isn't just like a random person
who you know doesn't have any kind of
firearms training or any kind of a
classes um you know that just picked up
a gun and just stuck it in his pants I
mean he went through the trouble to get
a concealed carry license so the idea
that he had a concealed carry permit and
and he's having a holster where it could
just fly out to me that doesn't make
sense now I think cjun Randy has a good
point holding it and pointing it at you
are two different things I agree with
you 100% cage and Randy holding it and
pointing it are two different things so
okay so let's go down that rabbit hold
cage so the family is saying he wasn't
holding it all the family is saying the
gun was in The holster he never had it
in his hand and the gun just fell out so
if we can get to a point where we agree
okay we agree that that we agree that
that's silly right that that that's
that's like Barack Obama says that is
Silly Season like okay that didn't
happen so he was holding okay so now we
get to a point where he was holding so
now who do we believe okay we have an
officer who says no he was holding it
and he pointed it and then we have a
family who says no know it was actually
actually it was it was in The holster
but it just fell out as as as he flew
back so again what seems more reasonable
and I agree with you Cajun Randy holding
it and pointing it are two different
things however you have to think to
yourself so okay so he gets out of the
car um he's being followed by a police
officer who's saying he's a police
officer who has a vest that says US
Marshall so you're saying he had
sandwich and a keys in his hand so
you're saying that so so basically what
they're trying to say is that okay in
that situation where he's being given
commands from a police officer he pulls
out a gun but doesn't point it again
that doesn't make a whole lot of sense
right so why are you pulling a gun out
on a police officer um so this isn't
making a whole lot of sense um again
I've been carrying off duty for I've
been carrying off duty for 19 years I've
never once pulled out my gun um you know
for any reason off duty and if I was
being told from a police officer like
that doesn't make that doesn't make a
whole lot of sense yeah C and Randy yeah
Casey is not there to tell a story I I
agree K Randy yeah that's why all we
have is the evidence um and again what
the family and the family attorney is
saying happened at least to me doesn't
make a whole lot of sense it makes sense
what the officer is saying otherwise
what you're saying is hey this police
officer who's been on the police force
for 17 years he's never been involved in
a bad shooting he doesn't have a bad um
in Internal Affairs um complaints he's
never been involved in any other police
shooting and this one day he decided to
kill someone for no reason again that
doesn't make a whole lot of sense either
so again I'm just trying to see what
happened um there is body cam footage of
the incident however it's not being
released right now that's how it works
in Ohio at least in this area
essentially that the jury and the judge
have been allowed to see the body camera
footage um however that's not being
released to the public I really hope um
it does get released because as you know
I love body camera footage uh let's see
uh SOG 68 says uh I started carrying
when I was 19 years old and 95% of the
time I used inside the pants holster
with no over retention and never had a
fall out SOG 68 thank you so much that's
that's been that's been again that's
been my experience as well it just
doesn't make a whole lot of sense again
I've had some pretty bad Falls and again
you know some pretty bad Falls um and
while while trail running with with with
my off duty handgun and it's never just
falling out that's not and again working
on the street as a cop for 15 years on
the street that's just something I've
never seen um it's possible but I'm
really curious to what some of your
thoughts are um let's see uh th 68
worked in a pawn shop so I was legally
caring yeah so um we will keep you
updated on that so like I said since the
trial picks up again on Tuesday I could
see officer me's trial somehow
concluding this next week and if we have
some kind of a verdict um we'll go ahead
and talk about it on Friday but that's
one of the cases um so so that's uh a
lot of times on this channel and other
channels we talk about controversial
officer involved shootings you know
really just as honest as I can be
because they're more interesting you
know when we have issues like this to
talk about and this is the case where
you know again if Casey Goodson if the
handgun was not what was if what the
family says is true and there's some
evidence that you know he was never
holding the gun you know that that's an
argument to be made that yeah this was
not a legal shooting and I'm good with
saying that but again there's some
discrepancy here obviously there's some
discrepancy if the police officer is
being charged so a lot of the time those
are the kinds of cases that we cover and
and I think we should because we can go
back and forth and we can argue and we
could say well if this happen then it's
reasonable if not that it's not
reasonable I really like to have those
kinds of of of of of discussions on this
channel and I think that you do too
because that's really it's interesting
to talk about these things but the
reality is the vast majority of Officer
involved shooting cases are reasonable
legal Justified even people who are
dishonest and anti- police activists who
look at it would pretty much have to say
yeah I get it that's legal I don't have
any issue with that and that's really
more representative of like what
actually happens with officer involved
shootings and there was a case this week
that happened in New York City that
unless you live in New York City you
probably haven't heard about you
probably won't hear about but really
this is the reality of like officer
involved shootings and it's just because
you don't hear about it doesn't mean
that this isn't what normally happens so
this is far more representative of when
police officers utilize deadly force and
this case is an excellent example of
that but again because it's obviously a
reasonable and Justified shooting you're
not going to hear about it anywhere so
I'm going to tell you about it so this
happened in New York City back on
December 3rd and essentially there was a
call for service where police officers
in New York City were called to a
stabbing call an individual had stabbed
four different people to death um
including two children so there were
four people who were stabbed to death um
including two children um police
officers were dispatched that scene they
set up a perimeter around it they did
not have any kind of offender in custody
at this point so uh homicide detectives
were there unseen crime scene
investigators were there essentially
they were investigating the scene there
were two different police officers there
were more than two but at least at this
one point point because you know when
there's a crime scene they have
everything taped off right so there were
there were two different police officers
who were essentially at this one point
maintaining uh by by the crime scene
tape essentially just making sure that
no one doesn't go into the into the
perimeter they weren't they weren't
investigators they weren't trying to
figure out who Sol this literally these
cops their only job is hey stand there
at that corner and make sure that no one
goes that no one goes into the perimeter
that's all they were doing well they
were out there for a couple hours and
they realized that there was this guy um
this guy named Courtney Gordon and uh he
was kind of just hanging out for hours
and you know there weren't a whole lot
of people there so you know since he was
just kind of hanging out on the crime
scene the police officer started to talk
to him you know it's like hey like you
know um where do you live you know just
like basic conver on body camera just
pretty basic reasonable conversation
they had no idea that Mr Gordon he was
the offender of this the officers had no
idea that was the case um or anything
like that so as they're having this
normal conversation asking about you
know where he lives or is he local is he
in neighbor is he a witness you know all
just like regular random conversation
all of a sudden during this conversation
Mr Gordon pulls out a knife and he stabs
both police officers quick I mean it
happens so fast neither of the police
officers have any weapon systems in
their hand because again they think he's
just a normal guy kind of just like a a
curious looky L kind of guy just waiting
around the crime scene to see what's
happening so it's a normal normal
reasonable conversation he's not under
arrest he's not being uh detained they
weren't giving him any commands they
were literally just having a normal
conversation with him and about 30
seconds into that conversation and he
pulls out a knife and he he stabs both
police officers immediately both police
officers pull out their guns even though
they are injured they pull out their
they pull out their handguns and they
fire and they actually kill Mr Gordon
well it turns out that Mr Gordon he was
the offender of this um kind of the
backstory behind it is that Mr Gordon he
was a homeless guy he didn't have he
didn't or an unhoused he was an unhoused
guy he didn't have anywhere to go and
the people who lived in that house those
were his family members I think it was
his cousin those were his family members
and essentially they felt bad for him
they let him stay in the house he ends
up killing two adults and two children
at knife point he stabs them to death um
and and uh you know police officers did
not having any idea that he was the
offender you know after he stabbed
stabbed both officers um you know the
officers did shoot him and and and kill
him and um you know again this is far
more representative of Officer involved
shootings you know so it's like it's
like this is a case where it's obviously
this is a legal reasonable Justified
officer involved shooting the vast
majority of Officer involved shootings
this is the kind of stuff that happens
someone takes out a knife and stabs the
officer after they committed a violent
felony and the police officers utilize
deadly force in response um this is
normally what happens in officer
involved shootings and again you're
never going to hear about a case like
this unless you're local um so I just
want to go ahead and put that in there
but yeah um around and find out
that's how most officer involved
shootings are we don't cover all of them
because again I think there's about
three officer involved shoot three fatal
officer involved shootings every day in
the country somewhere around there um
and again this is how the vast majority
of them are we don't cover them that
often but when I saw this one in the
news and I watched the body camera video
I said you know who think we might want
to hear about this case our audience
over at Copwatch TV um okay so I'm going
to talk about this last case this last
case thing this is a case that I've
covered before but every time I cover
this case whether I write an article
over on my substack or I put up a a a
post on X or on Instagram for whatever
reason this is one of those it's this is
one of those those cases that every time
I post about I get people on both sides
honestly more of the side that the cops
did the wrong thing than than anything
get more comments and really interaction
on this case so so anytime there is some
kind of a significant update I always
talk about it because again if anything
this is a case that people are
interested in so this was the case that
happened in Farmington New Mexico last
year April of 23 so again so and I'm
going to give you the update here at the
end but this was the case where and this
actually made national news as well was
an inside edition and CNN and stuff this
week um the the update that I'm going to
talk about so again this is a national
story not just a local one so this
happened in Farmington New Mexico just
for a little geography Farmington New
Mexico is approximately 3 hours north of
Albuquerque pretty close to the Colorado
border um there was a a call of a
domestic violence call so it was a
domestic dispute police officers were
dispatched to an address um as police
officers got there they went to a house
that was not the house in question so
essentially this was you know late in
the late late at night you know 11: 12
1: in the morning something like that it
was dark outside it was late at night
there were officers were supposed to go
to 5308 whatever street instead of going
to 5308 they went to 5305 police
officers knock on the door they knock on
the door and they say Farmington Police
and they're basically there for about 1
minute and 22 seconds so not even a
minute and a half 1 minute and 22
seconds they're on the porch in that
minute and 22 seconds they knock on the
door three different times and they say
Farmington Police three different times
you know as that after about the third
time they knock one of the officers says
Hey like I think we're supposed to be at
5305 not 5308 and the one officer gets
on the radio and he confirms with
dispatch he said hey can you can you
repeat the address to this and it's at
that point while they're waiting for
this dispatch to essentially get back to
the officers to let them know if they're
at the right house or not they say to
themselves okay let's let's let's let's
let's go back to the car and kind of
figure this out thinking okay you know
what we probably are here at the wrong
house so they take a couple steps back
one officer moves quicker than the other
one but they start walking back to their
cars it's at that point that the door
swings open and the homeowner a
52-year-old guy named Robert doson he
swings open the door and he has a gun
pointed right at the officers well the
officers with a gun pointed at them
immediately um fire their weapons in
response um you know then the officers
are able to uh Retreat kind of you know
closer back to their cars and they call
out that they were an officer involved
shooting Mr dodson's wife um he come he
she she she comes and she claims she
doesn't know what's going on let's take
her word for it she doesn't know what's
going on all she knows that her husband
was just in a shooting with someone she
has her own gun and she starts firing
rounds at the police officers as well
well in response the police officers
fire rounds at her um eventually she
realizes that these are police officers
she stops firing her weapon the police
officers stopped firing their weapon
thankfully she was not hit and the
officers were not hit either however the
52-year-old Mr Dodson he does end up uh
uh dying from his injuries um I said at
the very beginning I wrote an article
about it um I said so it's documented I
said it on the show back in April this
was a legal and reasonable officer
involved shooting again I get it the
police officers knocked on the wrong
door I get it but here's the thing there
was nothing illegal or immoral about
knocking on the wrong door pizza
delivery guys do it all the time mailman
Amazon happens all the time police
officers do it all the time sometimes
police officers uh uh sometimes
strippers for bachelor parties they do
it all the time okay sometimes people
off sometimes police officers even knock
on so so let me just start right here
the idea of calling it the wrong house
that's really irritating to me I don't
like that term here's why because again
there's nothing illegal or immoral about
knocking on a door that it's a different
house than where the domestic violence
was at here's my evidence for this so
there are a lot of different times when
police officer are sent to a call could
be a domestic violence it could be a
possible meth lab it could be it could
be think of a hundred different reasons
why a police officers might go to a call
and a lot of times police officers will
knock on the door of a neighbor of a
witness of someone who's not involved
sometimes when I when I was a use of
force investigator um if a police
officer had a use of force in the middle
of the street part of my job would be to
knock on all the doors in the
neighborhood and say hey did you guys
happen to see anything do you have any
video surveillance and and you know what
knocking on the wrong door or doors of
houses of people who weren't involved
that was considered being thorough that
was considered being a good investigator
you you you could think for a second
that hey if there's a domestic violence
call here and it sounds like something's
going on it wouldn't be unreasonable for
a police officer to try to contact
someone else to see hey like is is this
the case are there weapons in the house
you know again I can make an argument
that a police officer doing this would
actually be evidence that they are a
good and thorough police officer okay so
saying that's the wrong door is
absolutely insane again um someone just
commented uh Patricia says that Amazon
uh uh uh Amazon drivers don't carry
weapons true they they they they don't I
guess um but um uh yeah also Mr Dodson I
should point out there that um he had a
uh he had a ring camera system that he
obviously didn't look out or he would
have seen seen police officers um so I'm
just going to say this one last time
knocking even if we call the wrong door
which again is is irritating because it
it doesn't give the whole context of it
but let's just say say that's how people
are calling it Knocking on the it is not
it is not illegal immoral or against
police department policy to knock on the
wrong door but you know what is illegal
pointing a gun at someone who is
standing on your porch doing nothing you
can't do that you can't just point guns
at people that's called aggravated
assault with a deadly weapon and it's a
felony and listen if you point a gun at
someone then they are they may
reasonably think that you are going to
use that gun and they might respond um
so that doesn't make sense um SOG 68 do
you have a good comment don't answer the
door late at night and they again if
someone knocks on your door and they
said they didn't hear them say police
even though it's not like a bran Taylor
thing where it's like the cops say one
thing like this is on body camera video
that they said Farmington Police three
different times um and they knocked on
the door they weren't banging on the
door they weren't opening the door to
try to get in because the the wife said
recently on the news that well I thought
someone was trying to break in is that
how it works hang on a second is that
how break-ins work I get it's weird for
someone to knock on your door but again
the officers weren't jiggling the handle
they weren't like you know pushing on
the door like they knocked on the door
and said Farmington Police okay so the
idea that you think someone's trying to
break in doesn't make any sense again
let's say you do think someone is trying
to break in your house but you know
you're not sure exactly who it is so if
you think someone's going to try to
break in your house you're not going to
look at your ring camera which you have
you're not going to call the police
you're not going to look through the
peephole to see who it is you're going
to fling the door open with a gun
already pointed out again I'm not saying
Mr dodson's a bad guy okay I'm not but
obviously he did something that caused
the police officers to utilize deadly
force and it was completely reasonable
for the officers to utilize deadly force
I said this back in April um recently uh
this was just investigated uh by the New
Mexico Department of Justice and the New
Mexico Department of Justice has just
said that they are not going to charge
uh the police officers in this case they
said that the use of force from the
officers was objectively reasonable so
the officers are not going to face any
charges of course this was the right
thing to do however because you never
know when politics get involved um you
never really know how these cases are
going going to go so um you know there
are a lot of cases like the one we did
earlier with officer me where like you
know I don't think the officer should
have been charged um well this is a case
where you know what this one went the
right way um an officer even though it
was a highly publicized national case um
I feel like the New Mexico Department of
Justice that they really did a thorough
investigation and at the end of it they
came to the right decision and you know
what I think sometimes we can we can
look at these case and say this officer
shouldn't be charged that officer
shouldn't be charged but this is a case
where it went right right I honestly
believe that the prosecutors looked at
the evidence and they were they were
fair about what they did and you know
what let's take this one as a win and
sometimes just have to take the win this
was the right decision from the New
Mexico Department of Justice um and I'm
glad that they did a thorough uh
investigation on this case because cases
like this should be investigated fairly
and thoroughly because if a police
officer does commit a crime they should
be prosecuted but this is a case where
the officer did not um let's see if we
got any other comments on this uh let's
see uh Kuro says if he was in fear for
his safety he should have stayed behind
the lock door yes 100% he should have
stayed behind the lock door he should
have looked out the people looked out
the window looked at his ring doorbell
camera called for police officers
there's a thousand things that he should
have done because I want people like Mr
Dodson to be alive as well and let me
just say this so if I got a knock on my
door at 2 o'clock in the morning it
actually did happen once where it was it
was actually a neighbor where I got a
knock on the door it was like 2 or 3:00
in the morning and that is jarring
because right cuz you you no one is
expecting a knock on the door that like
so so before I went and I opened the
door I grabbed my gun I absolutely did I
grabbed my gun I went downstairs my dogs
are going crazy cuz I have two giant
dogs my dogs are going crazy right but
you know I I got I got my gun I grabbed
it I held my gun at my side I looked at
the people and I saw that it was a
neighbor I saw that it was a neighbor so
I cracked the door a little bit and I
asked I asked what they wanted it was
something reasonable and simple and they
they they they went on their way what I
didn't do is before looking out the
window or before looking at the people
swinging open the door wildly like I'm
SEAL Team Six and pointing the gun at
who's ever out there like I would never
do that like that's not reasonable again
even if it's jarring to be woken up at
2:00 in the morning even if you think
hey someone could have bad intentions
again just swinging the door open wildly
and pointing guns again that does that
doesn't make a whole lot of sense
because there's a predictable reaction
from who's ever on the other side of the
door and this chance this time it
happened to be police officers again
like I said part of my job with internal
affairs Force division part of like the
policy is there was there was a if there
was a use of force whether it was an
empty handcuff takedown or a tasing or
any any use of force that I was
investigating if there was I had to
knock on all of the doors to see if
there was any Witnesses or if there was
any surveillance video this was me per
the department policy being thorough in
my investigation for use of force so
again I knocked out a lot of doors at
2:00 in the morning for random people
who had nothing to do with the use of
force because I was supposed to do it
because I had to and again what if
someone had video surveillance of a case
like of of the use of force and I was
lazy and I didn't get it like again like
and like that that could be pertinent
evidence uh one more comment here uh
let's see Daryl Smith says however it
could be possible that the elderly
couple may have had uh trou trior uh uh
let's see had had prior trouble with
someone possibly harassing them after
dark we don't know Daryl Smith really
good comment and I agree so first of all
um uh he was 53 I'm 41 so um this guy
was 52 or 53 years old don't think he
was elderly um but I should say that yes
he had had problems I think his car had
been stolen from the house in the past
um again um again even if you think that
it could be someone um who is doing
something negative outside the house
that's reasonable I I I don't understand
how you don't look through a people you
don't look through the window how you
don't look at your ring camera that
doesn't make a whole lot of sense darl
please don't apologize I think you made
a really good point I think you made an
excellent point and thank you so much
for your comments um so anyway so the
officers are not going to be charged in
that case I think that was the right
thing to do um all right so we're going
to that's going to be the last case that
I cover and I'm just going to leave this
from uh so you know what there was a uh
there was a long time when I was doing
this show while I was working as an
Albuquerque police officer where I
really went out of my way to not cover
anything local which I think is
reasonable because again Not only was I
was I I work in in in in internal
investigations for the Albuquerque
Police Department but I didn't want
there to be any kind of conf conflict of
interest so but now that I'm I'm retired
from the police department I feel like
I'm at a point where I can talk about
some things that are local and I'm just
going to touch on um a a case that
happened um that was covered by by the
local media here maybe maybe we can put
a link to the story um on it but but
essentially this is just what I want you
to think about and it comes to police
chases so you know normally I'm on the
side of I don't want police officers to
chase getting into highspeed chases
especially in areas where there's where
there's a lot of people or there's a lot
of traffic you know a lot and if it's
not a violent crime a lot of times I
most of the time I fall on the side of
you know what it's just not worth it
it's not worth it to put innocent people
at risk well we had a case um in
Albuquerque a couple days ago where
there was an individual who was he had
stolen a car so he was in a stolen truck
um police officers tried to stop him and
immediately he fled well the Albuquerque
Police Department like a lot of major
police departments they only Chase for a
couple of different things they only
Chase for a couple of different crimes
um usually if it's if it's homicide
criminal sexual assault robbery um uh uh
burglary so so kidnapping things like
that um police officers Chase for but
they're not allowed to chase for stolen
cars and I I get it like I said I I
usually agree with that but this is
where a case where the police officers
not chasing it really had a bad effect
on what happened here's what I mean by
this so the police officers um as soon
as the guy started to run as soon as he
started to run um as soon as that
happened police officers didn't chase
they didn't chase him at all police
officers completely lost sight of the
vehicle which is what they were supposed
to do per Department policy however just
because the police officer stopped
chasing that doesn't mean that the bad
guy automatically knows hey the cops
aren't chasing me anymore you know so so
he kept driving like a
and he ended up crashing into a
pedestrian who was walking in the street
um he crashed into a pedestrian um his
name was Dylan Luhan um and uh according
to to to to to the to the criminal
complaints
um that uh uh according to to the
criminal complaint um uh he sped up
eastbound on pretty much the Main Street
which is Central um the an Albuquerque
police officer essentially didn't even
get close to deploy what's called star
Chase which is really great technology
which is basically something that we
shoot at the car and it has it's kind of
like a like like like a like a sticky
thing and it sticks on the car it has
GPS so that way we know exactly where
the car is so police officers don't have
to get into highp speed chases
essentially where I'm going with this is
the officer didn't even get get close
enough to deploy that star Chase um so
again the police officers were not
chasing um he ended up he ended up
fleeing and he he he crashed into an
individual um who who did suffer some uh
pretty serious injuries and um uh
following following the the the after he
after he crashed and he um uh killed and
he hurt someone um he did um uh go into
a drainage tunnel um it was that point
he fled into a drainage tunnel was that
point that police officers did follow
and Chase in there after the after
serious crash um but you know I just
want to I just want to point out that
you know just because police officers
don't so is this a case where you know
if the police officers were allowed to
be a little bit more aggressive a little
bit earlier and maybe they were allowed
to chase maybe they were able to pit
this immediately is this the case where
we would have a pedestrian who wasn't
seriously injured from someone who was
running from police officers so I think
that's that's something that's something
to think about and I don't blame the
police officers on the street right
because the police officers they
followed policy police officers have to
follow policy we want them to follow
policy but you know I I just think it's
important to remember that we have to
remember who the real bad guys are and
it's not the police officers who are
trying to get these criminals into
custody it's people who are stealing
cars and driving like maniacs and doing
anything to get away from the officers
all right so that's going to be the show
for today uh want to thank everybody um
uh for for participating and for asking
really good questions the link to the
story um is in the chat by aabq raw and
um I hope that everyone has a great
weekend and we'll go ahead and see you
next next Friday
thanks