So, by law, I have to put my gun in the car to video, even though >> our property. We're not We're not in the public. You're on private police property. So, store the gun video if you like, cuz I don't know what's on your mind. >> Okay. Okay. So, I have one question. Yes. This is private property, not public. Officers tried to stop a man who was lawfully filming and openly carrying a firearm in a public area outside a police station. Surrounded and pressured with vague safety concerns, they failed to cite any law until he calmly exposed the legal flaws, forcing them to back down. No, ma'am. What's going on? Looking in the patrol car. Okay, why? Just uh constitutional public activity. You got a gun on you? Uh no. I'm not committing a crime. >> Oh, so you're one of those. Yeah. Got you. I know my rights. Okay. Get your hands out of your pockets and come out. Oh, um no no no no no. I'm just doing I can see from Anything I can see from public, my eyes can see, my cameras can see also. All right. Give me 1 second. >> How many cops it takes for a public photographer? Name and badge number, please. What you need it for? You have to identify yourself, sir. I'm Officer Sanders and we got Sergeant Robertson out as well. So, the alarming thing is that you're you're carrying a gun, which is not illegal, but you're looking in the patrol cars. So, somebody that's passing by could suspect >> Somebody just left here a second ago, and a cop actually Oh, yeah? Yeah. Pulled up out of a gray car, didn't say nothing. I got in my car, he said, "Am I here for anybody?" I said, "Nope." That's it. So, if he had a problem with it, he would have said something. I haven't broken any laws, so Nobody said you broke a law. >> try to arrest me or something, you're on camera. I haven't done anything wrong. Nobody said you broke a law. We're just wondering what you're doing up here. What I'm doing up here? Yeah. My tax dollars paid for this property, right? This is This is public property, correct? Am I being disorderly? Okay. Nobody said you were. Am I being detained? No. We got you on >> Okay. We got you on camera. You guys serious? Wait, we got a right to be here, don't we? They're following me, you guys. I'm just here to video. That's fine. We can see I'm videoing, too. Right here. You all right? Yes, sir. How you doing? I'm doing fine. You're being videoed, too. It's all good. What's going on? Just videoing the cars. What's your name? Good Samaritan. No one's saying you can't video, but you're walking in here with a firearm. We don't know if you're [clears throat] a threat or not. So, I'd hate to treat you as one and you and you be straight up. You understand me? Yes, sir. Okay, so do me a favor, cuz you're on our property. If you want to video, video away. Put the gun in your car. Yes. Or park across the street and video from over there. So, by law, I have to put my gun in the car to video, even You're on our We're not in the public. You're on private police property. So, store the gun video if you like, cuz I don't know what's on your mind. >> Okay. Okay. So, I have one question. Yes. This is private property, not public. You pay taxes up here? >> Yes, sir. Put your gun up. I'm telling you it's for a safety measure. Store the gun, come back and video, that's fine. Cuz I You decide you want to whip that out and open fire. I would I would not do no such thing. You know, put the gun in the in the car, please. I'm asking you nicely. If not, I get arrested, right? You could be facing some trouble, yes. I'm asking you for your safety as well as mine. >> you go to a like the mall or Walmart >> He threatened to uh he threatened to arrest me if I don't do it, you guys. Put my gun up. You go to another like private property like Walmart, the mall, or something, and they tell you that you can't carry, you have to put it up by their standards. Same thing. >> Same thing here. But this is That's different. Walmart and the mall is private property. This is public No, this is public. Tax dollars paid for this property. Just put the gun up video. Well, after I do that, can I get you guys um someone that's higher up I'm here for the day. You're talking to the shift commander, so I'm I'm not worried about your feelings, sir. I'm worried about our safety. You have to do it and walk around, but I don't want to walk with you, sir. Okay. You put the gun up, come back video. We'll stay here and talk. So, I So, one more time, I was going to get arrested if I didn't do it. >> I'm telling you put the gun up for our safety. I was going to get arrested. >> I'd hate for something bad to happen. I was going to get arrested. You can say whatever you want to say. >> That's what you said, right? So, I don't want to reach for my gun and you guys shoot. Would you like to put it in the truck? We'll stand here and watch you. Put it up here. Just don't do nothing stupid. >> to reach for it. Would you like me to do it for you? >> Yes, sir. Okay. Please don't Please don't hurt. I'm not going to hurt you. I'm going to clear it safe. You guys You guys see this is illegal. This is very illegal. >> Video over here. See that? Where would you like it in your car? It can be in the trunk. Why? The trunk will be fine. It's very illegal, you guys. Okay. We'll be waiting here for your attorney, I'm sure. Very illegal. Watch here. There. There. Let me ask you one more thing. If I would have never put my gun away, would I would have been Would I would have been subject to arrest? Step by step. Step by step. We take it one step at a time. >> Would I have Would I have been subject to arrest? >> playing your game. We're not in court, sir. Okay? What would have happened is if you had made a threatening motion with that weapon, you might have have gotten yourself hurt. >> So, I I did it because of your personal feelings because of about my gun. >> Whatever. So, I didn't have to put away my gun. >> all you like. I didn't have to put away my gun. Have a nice day. How many cops it takes for a public photographer? So, if I would have never put my gun up, that would have been subject to arrest. I just want to know that. Since you want to be theoretical, you like to talk about what is. Let me tell you about what is, okay? I got my hands right here, you guys. I don't go on record anywhere. You're being videoed, too, by all of us. So, it's all good, right? Across the country right now, people are attacking police officers in uniform. So, when you pull up in a police station wearing a gun and doing suspicious activity, which is not a misdemeanor or felony. We don't know what's on your mind. I don't know you, you don't know me. I don't know what's going on between your ears. What if I rolled up in your yard wearing a gun, started doing suspicious whatever, and you came out telling me to get out of your yard? You got one to do that. That's private property, not public. But you don't You come and go go to work here? I pay I pay taxes here. Are you a Phil County resident or not a resident? You don't pay taxes here. Go to VPD and tell me how it goes in Loudoun County. Right now, have you Have you already done that before? Yeah. Yeah, I have a I have Let me see. I'd love to see it. Come to the state of Virginia and tell me what they tell you. All right, you guys. I got to cut this short. Okay.