two two charges. What are they one day? A lot of >> times those they're they're determined based on value of dollar amount, >> dollar amounts and stuff that are involved. That's how it gets to like a one. >> Karen thought cleverly hiding a few numbers would turn someone else's money into her own until police began tracing every transaction. two-year period from what I'm looking at. I just took a little um shot, $60,000 just at Nordstrom. Okay. >> On the on that on the >> just that one card. These foolish Karens believed they only had to keep pretending they were innocent. But the consequences hidden in that case file were enough to make every excuse meaningless. The moment she was stopped, Kimberly immediately claimed there was an emergency. But her reaction quickly made the arrest seem suspicious. Police department. Step out. >> One more way to get my dad to take him to an emergency dentist appointment. >> Step on out. Turn off your car. >> Can I Can I go? Can I take my car back? >> We'll figure that out. It's in a safe spot right at the moment. >> All right. Got one in custody. Break for a better address. >> Let's not do that. >> No. >> I'll try not to anyways. >> Okay. What do you want? >> Oh, nothing. She's just making sure. >> No, no. Okay. What would you like out of your vehicle? You like your phone and your purse? Okay. So, kind of a big step up. Watch your head there. >> My So, that was Devin that just called. He's He just passed us and then he's like So, he called and then he's coming back. >> The charges are passed one and then he got one. >> Wow. Interesting story they're going with. Okay. >> All right. So, Devon is going to come back and we'll let you chat with him for a second and uh we'll figure out the car and all that situation. Okay. And then ultimately we're going to be going up to Snowish County Jail where you'll be booked into jail for the for today. Okay. >> The more officers explained the jail process and her court appearance, the more anxious Kimberly became as the case behind her arrest appeared far more serious than she let on. >> I'm trying to get any information I can. What's going on to see what to do? I don't know where you're going. What's happening? And you're going to be allowed to get one phone call. Do you have your phone? >> Yeah. >> We got a phone. We're going to have her purse go with you. Is she going to have her phone to get phone number for him? >> We can certainly get those out of her for right now. And I can >> Your one phone call should be to your attorney. >> So go out then. Your one phone call should be wasted on me. You should waste it on him cuz I I give answers. I don't know anything. I'm not I'm not saying anything. I don't know anything. Huh? I'm going to talk with your mother. I'm going to have to. I have no one right now. And what about your dad's today? Dental. All right. So 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 75, 715, 735, 736. That make sense? Yep. We'll put that all back in your purse. That's all going to go to Devon. All right. Super busy and he doesn't usually Yeah. Usually it's like when I call I have to go through your secretary, >> leave a message and then he's he was just recently on a motor trial. So, oh wow. >> He's super busy. So, I'm afraid if I get there and get the one call, he's not going to answer. >> They take a message or something and you can't get back to him. >> No, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. We'll try and like double dip. >> Do you know how it works? If he if he can't respond in time to see me in court, the legal the public defender would see me, but then he a side of my case, then I'd have a hard time >> changing. I don't think so. I I don't know. I I don't know exactly. My my best >> What? You guys been to jail? >> Well, no, it's not. I appreciate your sense anyway. [laughter] All things considered, right? No, I So, I don't know exactly, but here's what I would think. I would think if you do you kind of have him like on a retainer or whatever. >> Um, well, we hadn't done it yet because I was unsure what exactly was going on and I I I was I would I I kind of figured um but I was like, you know, there's reason to throw the money at it right now until I know for sure. I would think if he um I mean if you have his number and he considers you kind of essentially a client then it's in his best interest if he wants to have a profitable business to respond as quickly as possible. So as soon as he's notified that you're >> in jail going to court have an arraignment date then I would think he would he would want to be there. And if you if you do get the runaround with the the secretary or whatever, make sure you tell them like, "Hey, I am currently in jail. I need him, you know, say we were just talking about how if if uh she's going to try and call the attorney, but sometimes they they're busy and you get to run around and leave a message. She doesn't want it to be >> two two charges. What are they? One and a lot of times those they're they're determined based on value of dollar amount dollar amounts and stuff that are involved. That's how it gets to like a one. >> As she was being escorted away, mysterious financial transactions began surfacing along with a credit card and a series of questions her husband could no longer easily avoid >> of how much was being spent on that card. >> Over a course of five years. >> No clue. >> Okay. >> Not even I couldn't even take a guess. And I'm I'm probably gonna be sick if I hear this. >> Yeah. Yeah. No. Oh god. Like I'm getting that kind of sick feeling in the stomach right now. >> Does your shop do your wife shop a lot? Would you consider her a shopaholic? You've known her for 25 years. >> She likes a nice nice She likes nice clothes. >> She likes nice things. >> Nice things. >> And honestly, I can tell. >> Do I get to see that? >> No. >> I I won't show you this, but I will tell you some things from just a 2year period from what I'm looking at. I just took a little um shot. $60,000 just at >> 660 just at Nordstrom. Okay. >> On the on that on the >> just that one card. Yeah. 6. So this is the part where trying to figure out cuz you say your business was not doing that well and obviously wasn't coming from you. Does your wife when at that 2year period does she work a lot? Does she make a lot of money? >> She works in a dental office. She's worked in a dental office her whole life. She just stopped last September. >> Okay. Gotcha. >> So, she's she's worked her whole life. >> Yeah. So, you know, like in my mind, that's a lot of money. >> All right. Especially for just one thing when you have other responsibilities. >> I don't even know that card didn't have that much of a limit on it. That's what's shocking. >> It was a lot of payments. A lot of payments. Okay. which is which would make sense as to >> these are questions that I can't answer. >> When the unusually high spending was finally mentioned, Kimberly's initial excuses began losing their force, revealing consequences whose full extent was still impossible to predict. >> Monday and Wednesday, Monday, Friday, and then uh like today, we have them today. But >> so like 4:30 in the morning till what time does she usually work until? She always runs errands and gets her nails done like one or two but she takes advantage of the babysitter [laughter] and she usually does errands after her coffee stand like grocery shops, nails, whatever she needs to get done. >> Gotcha. And then so is she just retired now. She's just not going to work anymore. >> I don't She's kind of looking now. She's getting bored. >> So I don't know. >> Yeah, >> I know she she was talking to someone, but I don't know what's coming out. >> Gotcha. And then with the last job, obviously it was a neutral. Was she working there for a long time? Don't know how long she worked there. >> I don't know. I just know she ended and it was last Labor Day. >> Yeah. >> Huh. >> Wow. >> Does any of this have to do with her old her job? >> I don't know. >> I don't know the specifics of that right now. So, I mean, it could end up going somewhere. I don't know. But right now, we're just doing the Nord Show and seeing if she has payments to basically show up for her bank account. Like, that's the point why I even called you in here for a victim. So, Oh. >> Um, what happened with the previous job? She was the watch of the kids full-time. She was she was helping them out. >> Ah, so she just basically was like, "Hey, it's time for me to [clears throat] go." >> Meant more to her to watch the kids than >> Yeah. I mean, grandkids time, quality time, priceless, right? >> Right. Is she Is this something I should be concerned about >> you? >> No. For her, I I haven't done anything. >> I don't I don't know. I mean, if she can come in here and be like, "Oh, no. I made these payments for my bank account." Then there's nothing to be concerned about, right? So, >> cuz like there's a lot like I like the mount I didn't have a clue about. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> It it doesn't surprise me. >> Right. Right. >> Because she's paying it off herself. So, it just >> And it's not affecting you. It's never affected. >> Kimberly was booked into jail on suspicion of firstdegree theft and firstdegree identity theft. Next, the moment she was told to sit down, the woman appeared confused and repeatedly asked why police were there and why she was being detained. me. I'm >> either one. >> Huh? >> You guys got your IDs on you? >> Yeah. >> Can you get that, please? Can we get your ID, please? >> So, >> she's getting it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Have a seat for me. >> Okay. >> Thank you guys. Out of New York. >> All right. Do you know why I'm here talking to you guys right now? Okay. I'll explain it to you in a minute. All right. was a super trans. >> I'm going to take him to my car so we can separate them. They stop talking. >> You have a warrant. >> You have a warrant. >> He did. >> No. No. Sit. Sit. >> Should I go? Mm-m. He had a warrant. >> What is warrant? >> He had a warrant out of a different county for arrest out of service. >> A warrant. >> Can you translate >> Chinese? >> I I don't know how to do. >> So, what should I do? Should I go with him? >> No. Go on. I I I think >> what is uh which area >> theft? >> Uh which area? Like New York, California. I don't know. >> I'm unsure. I didn't I will let you know more information. >> Can I get to my phone because >> right now you're detained. Hold on. >> But the more she was questioned about the Bentley and the trip, the more her repeated I don't know answers quietly deepened the suspicion. The vehicle? >> Uh, not my car. >> Your Is that your husband or boyfriend? >> Boyfriend. >> Is it his car? >> I'm not sure. I I'm not sure. But I have my car. >> What kind of car do you have? >> Finance car. >> Finance. Is that your car out there? >> Uh, no. No. >> Whose car is it? I think this he but it's also finance card because sometimes his friend also will use this cards. A lot of people use this card. So I'm not sure >> the one with the warrants in the back of Brian's truck or car. The girl was upstairs outside that room with the door shut. So I think she came out and shut the door saying, you know, of course you got to but they had to be out by 11 today. Wait, she's in the She's not coming out. >> No, no, she's out. We have her sitting outside. >> She was outside and shut the door behind her like not letting us in. >> Yeah, probably. What? >> Who's over here? >> See the street? >> So, there's a bull out. Did you guys see the bull? >> Yeah, we got three. >> So, okay. So, who's the So, how are we >> who gets char or who's the victim? state says right now it's Publix cuz they're the ones that own the or it's their property which >> not technically >> I can't in my brain make it make sense because I they don't >> I know >> whatever the gift cards >> wouldn't it be the >> whoever the gift card >> the business of the gift card >> right which is I don't know gift cards are >> right now we got Macy's we got Home Depot >> Amazon >> Dicks all kind of stuff being sold yeah that's just what my guys are finding today that's not what else >> what is what do they doing? Did you see video? >> Yeah, I went to the store. So, they they come in with stacks of cards that they've already cut from another store and they take the numbers and they re package that. They reseal it with like hot glue, the little brown package that the gift card comes in. So, like the girl walks in and goes to like Amazon or Target and takes a stack of them, basically walks away, and then the guy comes in with the other ones that they've already cut and he puts them back in place. So, they now take the uncut cards and they go cut them somewhere else. and it looks like they go to another store and replace them. So when I buy a gift card, >> I ring it up and I put a 100 bucks on it to Publix and then I go and give it to him and he opens it later, the cards cut. the numbers are cut out of them and [clears throat] as soon as I activate a public's manager told me as soon as I pay for that public's 100 bucks somehow they get notice of that serial number or that number and they're able to you >> when police searched the room she repeatedly asked for her phone and computer unintentionally drawing attention to the most sensitive devices >> how are you >> good speak English >> a little bit stand That's in the room. >> Yeah. So, what should I do? >> We'll let the manager know. >> Want to get something out of your room? >> My uh my highway >> my laptop. >> Laptop. You can't take your laptop. >> Uh because it's from my uh companies from my So, I >> We'll take that. You have your phone? >> Uh yes. >> Okay. >> Which room is it? I think it's this room, right? Yeah. >> What else? >> There's no one else in here. >> Hold on. Let me have Jen get it. Show me where it is. Don't stay here. >> Where's the phone? Yeah. Okay. Where's the laptop? >> Two phone and two uh three laptop. >> You have a like your wallet, your purse. >> Here, stay here. >> Table. Yeah. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> Okay. How many phones? Two. >> Two. >> Two. Two computers. Two phones. >> Uh three. Three. Uh, one is my own and two is from my uh comp company >> company. Just want to thank >> Please. We're going to get them. >> Just hang out. Just hang outside. >> So, I also go to the club. >> Yep. >> So, I also want the children. >> Is your turn? >> Yes. I was just going to ask you. And also, she wants to know if we can get her two phones. Two phones. Three phones. >> Two phone and three laptop. And when the evidence suddenly appeared in the most unexpected place, her calm demeanor faced a situation that was no longer easy to explain. >> No, the computers from work, too. >> Uh, yes. Yes, two of them. >> Two. Yeah. One is from Auria and one's from CS. So, uh, and the other one is my own laptop like for gaming. >> For gaming. Which one's yours? >> Mac. >> Mac. And the phones are both yours. >> Uh, yeah. Two volunteers. >> Two phones. >> Okay. Who are you with? >> Who's that? >> Your boyfriend? Does he have these? >> I don't know. >> You don't know? Okay. >> Huh? >> Where'd you get the car from? >> This car? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Not my car. So, how can I know? >> Well, I don't know if you're his boyfriend. I figured you know like where he bought it. Did he buy it like in New York? Did he buy it down here? Where did he buy it? Uh I can say uh it should not be here because I'm not sure by car here. Here >> he did not buy the car here. >> Oh yeah. >> New York. >> I don't know. This is stuff that came out of the toilet. >> Look at all >> cards. All kinds of stuff. >> Yeah. And there's more. The toilet is clogged. We need to take the toilet off. God knows what else is in there. Yeah, that's trash. Wait till you see this. >> Look at this. >> Yep. Crazy on Jason. My >> god, look at Jason. Yep. >> Okay. >> Can you do me a favor? Write a a statement for me. >> Sure. >> In Florida, organized fraud involving $50,000 or more is a firstdegree felony punishable by up to 30 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Both individuals were charged with organized fraud. They thought gift cards were a bargain, but in the end, they traded them for a ticket to jail. 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