Approached over vague loitering claims, a man is given orders without clear cause. Calm and informed, he questions the stop and refuses unlawful demands. When the officer escalates to trespass and demands ID without proof, the story falls apart ending in an awkward retreat. >> Good afternoon, sir. All right, let's go get something to eat. Good afternoon. Yeah. Are you conducting business? I need to know if you're going to continue to continue to get complaints about people being on this lot, so that's why I'm contacting anybody over here who's not going to the business. You apparently have been sitting here for some time cuz you've been filming me, so I'm curious as to whether or not you're going to go and buy food or you're going to sit in your car. Cuz if you're going to sit in your car then >> errand, that's business. >> Hold on. I'm going to inform you that if you don't go to that business or this business you >> This is closed. There's no business here. Yes, there is. This is Big Lots. It's closed. They closed it down how many years ago? It's >> It's not a bi- It's open right now. It's Big Lots, sir. I just got a trespass letter on file with from them probably 6 months ago. So I know that it's a business. So you can either exit your car and go to Wendy's or you can go into Big Lots, but you can't loiter in the lot in your car. And I have to do this right now just because you told me to? Yes, or or you can leave. Cuz it doesn't look like you're going to either one of the restaurants. I'm going to take my time and I'm going to go do what I got to do. You can't tell me to do it right now right away like that. Nobody's trespassing me. The business hasn't said anything. You can't trespass me just because you want to. >> I'm telling you they have letters on file with the Ventura Police Department telling us that if people are on their lot and they're not conducting business, they would like them to leave. So if you're not conducting business >> you I'm going to conduct business. >> Okay. I'm going to take my time. I'm not going to rush. >> What's your Do you have an ID, sir? I don't have to show you my ID. What crime did I commit? [ __ ] I'm going to go get food and you're over here arresting me? Just because I'm videotaping you? I'm advising you of trespassing at this point, so I need your ID. I'm getting out. No, you're not. Don't get out of the car. Why? >> Do not get out of the >> Am I detained? Yes, you are. >> For what crime? What What What crime am I detained for? Just because I was recording you? I'm going to get something to eat. My niece is with me. You just told me you weren't going to leave. I said I'm going to get something to eat. I'm just not going to jump out of the car when you tell me to. Okay. What's your name, sir? I'm not giving you my name. I haven't committed a crime. I'm going to go get something to eat. >> I'm I'm telling you why you're being detained and why I'm stopping you. I haven't committed a crime. But you you just told me that you were not going to leave. >> I said I'm going to get food. I'm going to conduct business. >> going to do that now? >> Yes. Okay. >> But I'm not going to jump out of the car right when you tell me to. >> Well, you were just about to jump out of the car, so >> Well, you told me not to get out. I'll wait for you to get out and go into the business and then I'll verify that you're doing business. >> Am I detained or am I free to go? You're free to leave. Then don't don't harass me. I'm not harassing you. Yes, you are. >> to hear what everyone I don't Okay, but I don't have to get out just because you're telling me to. You're not my boss, sir. Okay, but you're not going to make me jump out of my car just because you're telling me to. I'm going to get food. At this point if you're refusing to give me your ID because I'm detaining you for an advisement of trespass, that could be an issue for you. Now, I'm willing to just walk away and let you go get your food, but you weren't doing that. You were over here filming me, watching me do my thing, so that was not being you going over there and getting your food. >> the law, though? If you're not conducting bi- Are we having the same discussion, sir, or are we having two different discussions? Okay? If you're going to go get food, that's fine. But there's other people that come on to this lot. All the neighbors complain about people loitering on this lot, okay? So that's why I'm letting you know that I if if you're going to be here and and not conducting business, you got to leave. If you're conducting business, that's great. Go conduct your business, okay? Thank you very much. Trying to violate my rights. [ __ ] Trying to boss me around like he's my [ __ ] boss. He's a public servant. You work for me, sir. You work for me. I pay your taxes. I pay your [ __ ] your I'm going to go file a complaint with you just once. >> You can talk to the Ventura Police Department. There's a trespass letter from that business. They don't have one over here. They don't. I just spoke to the managers. I got their name. They said there was no paperwork, no nothing that you guys have complained about. You can lie to you. You You can follow up with the Ventura Police Department. I will.