I'm on public property right now, too. And even if I was inside, there's no reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime. I do not need to identify. This is not identifiable state. >> a police investigation. >> That doesn't matter. I can pull up the case law right now if you want. >> I mean, it's You're wrong. >> No, I'm not, actually. No, I'm not. >> really matter. You have to identify yourself if you're involved in something. >> No. Not If I committed a crime If I committed a crime, it's not interfering if I didn't do anything physical. >> Police approached a man after receiving a complaint from a neighbor and quickly demanded that he present identification. Despite being unable to point to any specific criminal offense he had committed, calm and firm, the man refused what he considered an unfounded demand, asserting his constitutional rights. As the officers continued to pressure him to provide his identity, he repeatedly questioned the legal basis for their request and challenged their interpretation of the law. Instead of addressing his questions, the officers escalated the encounter by threatening arrest if he did not comply. They then proceeded to search him in an attempt to obtain his identification. Ultimately, when they were unable to establish any evidence of wrongdoing, the officers ended the encounter and withdrew without taking further action. >> We're trying to investigate this this complaint that happened, right? >> Okay. >> called here. We need to identify people to make sure nothing happened, okay? >> But there's no There's no crime committed. I'm not being I don't want to be rude or anything like that, but I He should be the one to be talked to first. >> Okay. >> Cuz I did nothing. >> Okay. >> You were out here and you started talking with us about what >> Well, you guys came up to me and and I said, "Hi, you know, so >> to go talk to the >> Yeah. >> No. >> Marco, be right back, okay? >> Yep. I don't Whatever. If he doesn't know it, but >> It's just for the report. We don't say you did anything >> My law By law, though, I'm on public property right now, too. And even if I was inside, there's no reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime. I do not need to identify. This is not identifiable state. >> This is a police investigation. >> That doesn't matter. I can pull up the case law right now if you want. >> I mean it's you're wrong. >> No, I'm not actually. No, I'm not. >> really matter. You have to identify yourself if you're involved in something. >> No. Not if I committed a crime if I committed a crime it's not interfering if I didn't do anything physical. >> That's not correct. >> That's true. >> I've been doing this job long enough. I know when you have to identify yourself and when you don't. If you're some random person walking down the sidewalk >> I know. I said my name is Mark. That's all you need to know. >> No, it's not. We need your name and your date of birth. >> No, no, you don't. >> Yes. You were involved in some sort of argument. >> Nope. >> You know what you're talking about better than I do, right? >> Oh, I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just going on my constitutional rights. No, this is my this is my constitutional rights though. >> Yes, it is. You're part of an incident. Go ahead. Pull up whatever you think it is, but you're wrong. >> No. That's the thing. See, I don't even know what happened either. I was up there and I asked if it's wet and I walked and then he started getting all upset at me. So, I don't know. I was like, "Okay, I'm going to go downstairs." No, I didn't I came downstairs. No, no, no, no. I came downstairs and standed out here by myself not bothering no one. You know what I mean? So, No, I know. I'm saying I just got out of the situation cuz I didn't want a situation cuz it's not right. I mean I could be on my way anyways. It doesn't I didn't do anything wrong. But I didn't break the law. >> Yeah, I'm not saying you are. We have to talk to both parties and get everybody's information. He called for whatever reason and we have additional information. >> on him then. That's on him. But I didn't do nothing. >> He doesn't People don't call the cops for nothing. Obviously, something happened between you guys. He got pissed off enough for whatever to call us, right or wrong? >> I guess. I don't know why he would call because >> So, what are we doing? We're investigating whatever did or didn't happen. >> Yeah, but I didn't do nothing. It's totally minor. We're literally just arguing. And him calling me names and stuff and I'm walking outside. Is your supervisor available, please? >> For what? >> I don't want to be rude. I'm just going in because I know my rights. That's all. >> Well, what you think you know is not how it works. Your rights, you're correct and if you were some random person not involved in this, you don't have to give us your name. That is correct. However, you're involved in some sort of incident that we're investigating. Therefore, you need to provide your name. That's how it works. Otherwise, if you interfering with our investigation >> Interference is a physical act. >> That's not true. >> Yes, it is. >> No, it's not. >> It is. I'm not going to sign my rights. >> I'm not going to argue with you. You don't know the law. You don't know the law. You don't know the law. You don't know the law. >> Why you yell? I'm sorry, please don't yell at me. I'm not yelling. >> Because I'm trying to be so patient with you and you're not providing your name. The next step is you're just going to come in with us if you're refusing to identify yourself. That's how it works. >> Is it Are you so Are you Are you corporal? Okay. >> If you get arrested, we'll identify you ourselves. >> No, he he called and I came down and I didn't commit a crime. That's why But if you need >> I need you to listen. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm not going to play any games. You keep that phone on all you want. I got this. >> No, I know. I know. It's fine. That's all the only reason I'm doing it. >> don't identify yourself, you're going to jail. >> Okay. >> We're going to need I need your ID. Where is it? >> Okay. Um I'm getting my ID under threat of arrest. Yeah. I'm getting my ID on threat of arrest. >> Thank you. >> I didn't do nothing wrong. So, I'm that's why I'm not giving my I know, but I know the laws and literally I have committed a crime. >> You don't know the law and you can learn that law if you'd like. >> Oh, I I have. I know. I know the first amendment. You You know all five points of first amendment? It's okay. No, I I want you to I mean, I know everything's good. So, >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Did he give ID, too? >> Yes, he did. >> Okay. No. >> Why didn't you want to give me your name? >> Because my rights. If I If you didn't arrest, you know, reasonable or articulable sus- But if I'm not in the middle of a crime or committing or about to commit a crime >> You're missing the the part where you have to give your name and and date of birth to the police. >> You don't have to just because. If a cop asks you to give your ID They don't. >> It's the law. You can look it up on your phone. >> If a cop comes up to me and says I have to give ID, I have to give ID. That's what you're saying. >> is investigating an incident and they say you that you're involved. You told us you were involved. That was your words, not ours. You said you were involved. >> Oh, because I said yeah, because he started with me. Yeah. >> So that's why we were called here. >> Uh-huh. >> Then you have to give your name and ID. >> Okay, I'll look that up then. Okay. Cuz I'm just saying. >> All right. Well, just have a good rest of your day. >> And I'm sorry if you know what I mean. If you know, it took me a little bit to give ID. It was more or less I was just kind of holding on my rights just to be safe and then I was like, you know what? It's not worth it. I just want to get it over with. All right. Thank you. Um what's your badge name? Name and badge number real quick? Just >> Officer Divine, 371. >> All right. Thank you so much, sir. I appreciate that. Take care. Be safe. Seriously. Take care.