on February 12th 2024 officers responded
to a credit union in reference to a
suspected
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fraud 6:44 I'm going to be on the inside
welcome hey how you
doing
welcome see one and getting sort of
nervous he but I thought it was someone
in a pink bonnet
your branch manager called the branch
manager yeah
okay apparently they in the bran the
branch manager's office stay trying to
prolonger
oh yeah
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can I hang up my
phone right now you're just being
detained pending a investigation you're
not currently under arrest but you
already entertained okay you have Iden
ification on you it's on my
neck which one of y'all want to talk to
me it wasn't me okay it was probably
some back office okay sorry okay uh did
you need my card or anything anyway or
I'm the
manager let me speak to you for
so we got a call from another guy yeah
because I was trying to hold on to her
is she alone is a game now who she a lot
of funds are being transferred to other
accounts and then coming into with draw
but it appears that they are the two
ones like her that they're transferring
through internet banking and then
they're going to the branches and
withdrawing the splaining we had
her account $110,000 was withdrawn from
gar she's saying it wasn't
her now she's here to withdraw 10,000
there was another young lady that um was
with her and left this morning saying
she had to pick up her her child um but
she also with Drew M to and they were
they have been there's records okay but
as far as her her right
now what is it that she's done right now
she she's withdraw the
10,000 um but she hasn't withdrawn
anything no our risk and compliance
Department block it okay because they
saw the scheme so she's just here to
withdraw money was deposited into her
account this morning she came here to
withdraw it yes okay from another
account internal
okay sir you said I was detained so
you're not free to leave yeah I'm not
trying to go nowhere but I need to call
my mom cuz this we're not calling
anybody up here we can't call her so
y'all can tell her that I'm probably
going to go to jail cuz I don't I ma'am
I don't even know the story yet I hadn't
asked you anything I hadn't talked to
anybody I've been standing here with you
what I'm saying what I'm saying is y'all
killed my brother so I really don't feel
comfortable around y'all at all so I
rather call my mom so we can have this
discussion cuz I'm really like how old
are you I'm I'm grown okay but I still
don't feel comfortable around the police
that's your right and I I can't take
that way from me right so that mean said
but I'm but me as an individual I'm
going to treat you with the utmost
respect that's
how ma'am I don't know your brother I
don't know the situation but I can give
you the utmost respect if you allow me
to that's not giving me respect cuz how
you trying to belittle me right now
that's belittling me how am I belittling
because I told you that my brother
killed got killed by officer and I'm
telling you I'm going to give
saying but I'm also telling you that
it's beling with me as well how I just
told you well again I'm going to try and
give you the utmost respect what's your
name robt Sergeant Roberts I'm going to
try and give you the utmost
respect I can I can only be as
straightforward as I can that and and
you you let me know that you're
uncomfortable uncomfortable but I'm
going to give you officer standing over
me standing over me give you the most
respect I told you that and Y still
standing over me so I'm telling you that
I'm very uncomfortable with the what
would make you feel comfortable ma'am
not standing over me Well ma'am it's a
small office I'm just standing in the
door you're standing over me you can go
standing over him no that's not how it
works ma'am you don't get to dictate
that is it really is it's it's called
freedom of speech I know my rights well
you got the right to say what you want
but you don't get to dictate how things
are handled I understand what you're
saying fre of speech gives you the right
to say whatever you want however it does
not give you the dictate how we conduct
our criminal
investigation my would you like this yes
okay and I also would like my mother as
well I don't care who calls her you can
call her he can call her the M EMS can
call her but it's not I don't feel
comfortable at all 267
this 267
dispatch our detainee is requesting EMS
reference and anxiety attack uh it be a
black female how old are you man I'm 32
32 year old black y killed my brother
and I and I also I've been telling
officer this for the past two years and
I feel uncomfortable every time y'all
come around me every time I could not be
doing nothing every time Y come around
me I'm just very very comfortable like I
kill black people and I feel very very
threatened with a black man or any man
standing over
me routine
or
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routine so she was the one that would
with f do we have the video and
everything for that we'll need the video
yeah no but she but she's saying it
wasn't her she's here now but she's
saying it wasn't her that it that went
to col
to her you see
so
yes can you face
me I'm very I'm I'm sorry I'm very
uncomfortable it's three officers
standing over me and and
and she's saying she's got
anxiety my brother that's I told you
that you're smiling about it but it's
not funny sir it's not it's not fair
it's funny it's funny to him it's funny
to him I'm looking at him laugh every
time I look at him he smileing it
appears that you're trying to find
something to I'm not trying to find
engage me you're not going to get told
you exactly what it was
and my brother so with that being said
hey hey Miss qu I'm not quite sure
what's going on but um I'm officer
balling and I would like to talk to you
in reference to why I'm here okay but
before I do that I have to read you and
afford you your rights okay if I'm not
why right no you are detained that's the
point you're detained that's why I'm
reading you your rights I told you you
detained you're not under arrest but you
are detained okay you have the right to
remain silent anything you say can and
will be used against you in the court of
law having these rights in mind do you
wish to talk to me no I don't okay no
what what is it that you want to talk
about though first PD 644 tell type in
line you going to give me a link so she
can and then yeah I need know who what
am I sending it to is it an email
address is phone is that an email add
address
excuse me excuse me yes Ma'am why did he
take my phone cuz you're detained and I
don't want you making any phone calls
right now to take my phone I do your
hands are in the front of you and I
don't need you making any phone calls
but that's my personal property
understand that has been because in law
it says that I have to accept you to
search me or anything like that it's not
being searched ma'am ask nobody I didn't
ask nobody to it's not being searched
ma'am it's my phone though it's not
being searched that's just like your
phone getting taken from you okay well
I'm not under a criminal investigation
right now and I also have told this lady
I didn't did no ATM withdrawals at all
so how is that I'm on the vestigation
okay and and I'm Well ma'am hold up you
said you didn't want to talk after you
read you Miranda so I can't ask you any
questions all right okay you close it
over there I'm not EMS is here to get
you to get checked out how are you I'm
all right she says she's having anxiety
attack because man is standing over me
okay okay well we'll check your vitals
okay your blood pressure is a little
elevated but that's to be expected
you're under you know emotional rest I'm
not mad about that what I'm mad about is
the fact that the police who kill young
black innocent men is standing open me
that's the only thing that's I'm mad
about I ain't mad about nothing else
well I don't think this is racially it
ain't racist cuz he black how that's
racist that's what I'm saying I don't
think that that has anything to do with
it okay I I understand you're upset I'm
upset because this man standing over me
that's the only reason why I'm mad I'm
not mad by nothing else
if take me to jail but if I ain't then I
mean I'm going have a v regardless cuz I
I ain't been in trouble in a long time
so with that being said I don't really
know why this man is standing behind
because he has to keep an eye he don't
have to it's a whole glass door right
there he can stand out there and watch
me have
ain't nothing else I want to talk
about
what y' trying to make it seem like
because I'm Black and I'm underr y'all
ain't going to listen to nothing I'm
saying basically that's what you're
saying we get out of
here all right all right it don't matter
I got a anyways don't even
matter I'm find out everybody this
too
let do you have a print out where you
can uh give me all the account
information where the transfers are made
what account you know I don't really
know why y got standing over me like czy
people feel threatened when people
standing over excuse me let yes ma'am
so this thing
look
elderly it's coming from elderly members
account all these funds were cross
reference internet transfers go to their
accounts on my
L sorry oh you're fine
now old
I wrote Baldwin's name uh last name ID
on the back as well as Robinson and my
information is on the
front Okay I
know
it'sing know yeah
I don't
know yeah no
no hey give me sort through something
I'm going to have you sit in the sod
yeah that's a good idea I'm going to
sort through something with a branch I'm
going to have you hey I'm on a call let
me call you back all right hold on
second is this yours
this your
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yeah you let know I need to go to the
bathro like whenever y'all get time but
I do need to go to
the so my understanding of the
situation is we were told that a crime
occurred
right but we're like okay
explain we our job is to as quick as we
can figure out whether or not we're
going to take those handers off right
and we're try
and you may not go we may be taking
those handcuffs off soon right I'm
getting all these phone calls yeah let
me see what Maria wanted cuz she was
calling
me um oh okay you know I hate that let
this girl that's her miss
something okay yeah now that's her
that's her and we just got video of the
girl that we have detain of col from col
because I gave him
$5,000 you g someone $5,000 cash yes my
money cuz I'm trying to I'm trying to
run a business and I needed somebody to
double it like if you if I don't know if
you like on Facebook or anything like
that but people like they like if you
send $25,000 we going to send I me you
send $25 we going to send you 25,000 now
that's just I don't know if that's fraud
and I really never even tried do you
know
anybody that if you gave that
$50 go here's 100 bucks cuz you give me
50 bucks I don't know no I'm asking
people do it people do it every day sir
I don't know like who does it a lot of
people here everywhere like all over the
world I ain't even going to
lie you've been all over the world I
ain't been all over the world but I met
a couple
people how long has he had an account
with you these are all new accounts
since the 1st of February the three all
of
them yeah the three of them new accounts
mhm okay out of Apple Yard that's where
they opened it her account's new as well
yeah February 1st all of them open the
same day yes let me make sure hers I
know for sure cuz I told her Kevin
is two no 1:31 which is the day before
okay so he started to ring huh he he
he's the
leader hey man what's going on
R this money transfers in his account
and he distributes it to her or her MH
yeah okay and then they were here this
morning both of them to withraw 10 they
actually got out from Kar and they did
withdraw at Kar okay and then they came
here to withdraw that's where we got
them how much did they get from col she
got 7,000 and she got 10,000 but instead
of him giving me the money back
apparently he's been taking the money
and and doing something else with it cuz
I haven't heard from him so I don't know
I the first time I heard from was just
morning so you're you're saying you gave
some guy $5,000
right and you had $30 in your account
right at what point did you end up make
having I didn't put the 5,000 on the car
I gave it to him in cash right right I
mean a very minimum we can charge her
with bank fraud organized scheme and
Grand
Theft and then what's happened to your
account since you came here to get
$10,000 I don't know about that see what
I know I'm saying what did you come here
today yeah today I your account go from
30 bucks to $10,000 that's what I'm
saying the man he said he put the 10,000
on there she's saying that it's like
$40,000 that's me how would somebody put
$10,000 in your that's asking you I
don't know I don't know I don't know how
you put money on a on a car how many
times you think somebody breaks in a
house while the people are on vacation
and then puts TVs in someone's
house that I guess how many times you
think a crook hacks into someone's bank
account to give them money I guess all
the time I don't know about no bank
account because this I've never had
nothing you think all the time someone
criminally hacks into a bank to give
someone money yeah this guy here the
elderly the 84 years old went to Quincy
to file a dispute cuz he didn't know
what was going on with his account poor
thing yeah he didn't know how they got
his yeah
I I just I don't know how all that money
will get on me you guys say
no him refresh mine let ask your opinion
if you got a moment you 10 seconds no
moment for your mind L
okay how I'm going to ask you this
question first how often do you think
somebody hacks into someone's bank
account and deposits money uh that'd be
very
rare she thinks it's all the time it's
very rare this one is very rare no but
you just said it happens all the time I
don't I work I I work nothing but
Financial cases with banks and money and
stuff and that's let me ask you a
question sir okay now if somebody cuz I
I I'm not really I'm I ain't even going
to lie me in computers I don't I don't
do computers okay
so oh I interrupt him is this that I
just heard something I I just I was just
getting back um they said that you
invoked your rights so you want to talk
to us I didn't want to talk to him okay
who so you are wanting to talk to
me yes or no cuz I'll read you your
rights again and if you want to talk to
me that's
fine
um but I I'll just go ahead and do that
okay and then you can make some
discrimination if you want to talk to me
okay all right um I'm just going to read
them again you right to remain silent
anything you say can't will used against
you could have been my daddy I know
exactly what you're talking about yeah I
didn't think it yeah these are all
Kevin's account it falls under
that statute these rights in mind do you
want to talk to
me you don't have to it's it's up to you
it's CRI name but I just need a yes or
no answer I guess yeah okay um so what
you want to tell
me I ain't nothing I want to tell you
cuz I didn't do
you're in handcuffs in a bank because
drawn a large amount of funds that chish
I'm so but so it sounds like what you
were telling me was you met some guy
right and he offered that if you gave
him cash he would give you more money
and you think he's the one that put
money in your account that's the sort of
thing
that like he he's trying to figure out
what the hell happened who who's this
guy see I don't know his name I know
Jeff you going to know him as Jeff she
said Kevin I don't know Kevin I know I
know him by Jeff how did you guys meet
okay so one day I was standing um at the
you know what well you you you right go
I was standing aty center right h i was
S at the
C okay is I do I think this was the
first so it gets everything you said the
first of Us February yes okay so he came
and and he was talking to us it was like
a couple of us he was in a group and he
was like
um y'all trying to flip y'all money and
I was like I was like yeah because I had
like something going on at the time I
was trying to get a business off the
ground so I was like yeah so he was like
um well all you got to do is go go put
on car in the vision so I did that I
paid for the car and everything the $30
he said you got to do what you got to go
get an Invision C like an account you
got to openion account he was like he
was going to send me the money whenever
he get the money this is what happened
now just just to pause you where where
did he say did he say where this money
was coming from no he didn't okay he
never told me anything he was saying he
was saying that he was going to send you
money for what reason to flip it what
does that mean yes cuz I gave him $5,000
this is cash that I gave him $5,000 and
it's like I got this thing when did you
give him $5,000 probably about three
weeks ago what was that for for a
business that I'm trying to do I'm doing
hair and you gave it to this random guy
that you don't yes does that make a lot
of sense to you it doesn't make any
sense but tell you I'm going tell you
though I want I want to still tell you
cuz I feel like okay the day I got the
card I went to the wfh house with the
card right ever since after that I never
seen the card no more he has the card so
whoever he has with him they the one
that's getting the money out the ATM and
stuff it's not not me when we go when
y'all go into this investigation you're
going to see I guess the cameras or
whatever that's not me that ain't me
it's not you what what about today
what's going on today I'm here I'm here
today they said that he was doing what
they said that
um it was something blocking or
something like that so I came and talked
to the lady and she was like well we
can't give you that amount today right
and and that's how that's why I'm here
with
y'all um do you know anybody else that
guy reached out to got yeah I know a
couple people that he's reached out to I
can call a couple people well know their
names off top your head
um it's funny how you let them sit for a
while they start Panic then they want to
talk my she's trying
to come up with some story okay that'll
work that'll work but it don't how do
you normally have money how do you make
money I workan and I have like my own
hair salon at home okay do it sound like
a legitimate way for some random guy
that you barely know to deposit at the
time I Ain even going to lie at the time
because of the fact that I was in a like
in a bad predicament or however it was I
kind of went for whatever he said at the
time but then he stole my card like to
this day I still don't have my card well
sounds like he got you to open up the
account was the agreement and then you
gave him the card so he could utilize
the account I didn't
know sound like you gave it to him I
didn't I didn't give it to him I left it
in his um car and then he said the next
morning that he was going to come back
and he never showed back
up
um okay was this guy have any tattoos or
anything that you
remember I wouldn't even be over cuz he
was really really black okay you got a
phone number for him or anything or know
where he says that other than the Cy
center it's not it Ain in my phone it's
the out of town number you know what it
starts with I'm pretty sure it's
probably on your on that account though
it's a 501 number on your account okay
what' you use his phone number to the
account I put I signed on my name and he
called and he said something about he
needed to switch the account it's in my
email it's a 501 number 501 number okay
we'll look at it all right give us just
a second all right I don't have any more
questions for you thank you
prettyy much don't with her
um she
1015 hey so you are going to be charged
today and you're going to be taken to
jail so you are arrested so what's the
charges you getting bank fraud organized
scheme to Def fraud and then Grand
Theft okay
so obviously you know that's what's
going to have to happen um if I got any
questions I got your
information um I'll give you my card if
you want to tell me anything else that
maybe you didn't want to tell me
today is there anything inside here I
need to be aware of there some drugs in
there what kind of drugs just me okay
change
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the sir is this felony charges they all
mm
yeah Bank Fraud's a second degree
organized
scheme it's probably going to be a
second degree as well because of the
amount that was taken in the process and
then Grand Theft the Grand Theft one
might be as
well I mean Fraud's very serious I
understand what you're saying messing
with people's bank accounts and
transfering M doing nothing like that
with nobody's stuff I do for me like I
don't know about nobody else that's just
that's just $5,000 rep de you can count
and where is it from now it's from a
bank it's from a bank from your
account right you withdrew
it he tried to play me by my
money well yeah you agreed to
participate in the I never knew it was a
schem sir I'm not going lying to you
about that I only went to one and that
was just more that was it I never went
nowhere else so if it's something that
he did outside of me all that ATM and
all these money that's all that money
that's missing I never got that that's
the only thing I got right
there oh I
disagree cuz if you didn't know that you
open I never knew you called somebody
right now and I'm telling you you
normally opened up a bank account you
gave you gave him you gave him the card
and then days later you know there's
large amounts of phones in there
tell you I never I never knew that I
never knew that I swear to God
everything I I never knew that what I
know is he was supposed to give me back
my money he never gave me back my money
so I called him and then that's when the
fry hline called me and said that they
was missing like $40,000 ain't no way in
hell you missing $40,000 if I never took
it out I never took it out it wasn't me
well the video says
otherwise and that's why you're day but
that that's that's separate money sir I
how how can y'all how can y'all take my
money from we're taking this one cuz
it's not your money The Envision one an
Envision envelope that's my money cuz I
gave it to him and I got my money back
from him you're right it's withdrawn
from an account that I did not know that
I mean so what is y'all G to do with the
other half that's all the stuff will get
impounded except for the toiletries all
that stuff is getting thrown
away but but I'm okay listen the little
$80 right there that's going to that's
getting impounded to so y'all going to
take the money and put it inside the
jail no it's getting impounded at all
this stuff is going to T Police
Department with me it's going to be
impounded into evidence so once evidence
take over y'all have somebody that comes
and get y'all comes and get it from the
sheriff's office we're not the sheriff's
office we're tpd we're up here yeah we
tpd totally different well that's crazy
that's really really crazy totally
different
you you realize the like the situation
is that majority of what you got in your
pocket
MoneyWise is ill gotten
funds from someone else which is why
you're you're in the Cuffs I didn't so
that that that $80 like that I don't
know when I tell you I'm I'm I had like
something else like outside of that so
I'm really not thinking that all I know
that what I was what I was thinking was
yesterday when the when the fraud people
called me and it was like it was like
$1,000 or something like that so that's
why I called him and I was like I'm not
going to play with you about my money so
he had like two envelopes he gave me one
of the envelopes he said that that's
your $5,000
B
so your the $5,000 where did it come
from you saying that's
yours I gave him $5,000
that was three weeks ago he was supposed
to 5000 yes he was supposed to double it
like I don't know if y'all on like any
type of website Facebook Instagram
anything like that and you got the
little skin people that always pop up
saying that they can they can double
your money right but I never went for
the online thing only reason I went for
it because he was right there in my face
visual I don't but I don't know him he
we were standing at the shelter and he
came up to us and he was like well I can
help you you know you trying to come up
I understand y'all out here y'all living
bad so I'm like okay you know and I can
call multiple people cuz we always
standing up that day that day we don't
know this man we don't know him and he
probably had got other people like this
but he don't know us like we stand in
front of the shelter every single day so
so your dream is what you're saying yes
that's what I'm saying and I ain't
tripping cuz I know that I can take it
to trial or whatever but
Ste well you have that right like said
this is not the final say so all right
you
ready you got to grab me
though hold yeah I don't I don't hold on
to me I got you but by our policy you're
under arrest so I'm required to hold on
to you
yeah I just got one
question I'm list cuz I've been so RO
with you all right can I st a cigarette
no ma'am no I've been here long enough
cigarett I got one in the
bag yeah aren't you ready to get this
handcuff no I want to S this cigarette
before I have to go in
there second
yeah this SI
yeah why I'm nause I'm too
much I know you're not I know you're not
the main person okay I'm not the main
person I'm not a person at all you're a
participant that's
thing you saying a person a participant
when they don't know
like I know but just based on what we
have it's kind of hard to argue that you
get know that's that's why you're going
okay um I'm just going to buckle this up
for you if you want to lean up a bit
you have my car like I said um you'll
probably get a bond so if you want to
talk I really want a cigarette though
please sir please ask him please I
really need it sir please please I'm
going do right and I'm not going to
argue with you down no more I'm I'm we
going to be good I just really want to
hit the cigarette that's
it understand but
we we can stand out there okay