What's the reason for the stop? Uh, it's cuz, uh, you're traveling on the access road. Okay. >> past all the the ranch easements, so >> Right, right. Yeah, yeah. >> To me, it looks like if you're not going to one of those You're not being arrested, are you? How We can't fail the ID if we're not under arrest. You can't fail the ID, then. I don't get it. >> How long How long have you been a police officer? Hey, can Are we free to leave? Be friendly, man. The thing is, if you look suspicious, I can ask you to leave. And if you don't leave, then we can arrest you. We're allowed to do that. No, you can't. Not on the public sidewalks. Yeah. If I was in there If I was in there, sure, yeah. Cops are trained to uphold the law, but when evil cops play dumb and act innocent, things take a disturbing turn. Instead of protecting citizens, they manipulate the situation, pretend not to understand, and hope no one questions them. But here's the twist. Their victims aren't as naive as they think. In today's video, we're exposing officers who tried to outsmart the public and failed. Let's get started. I bro, I would just feel more comfortable if I knew there was anybody hiding in your trunk, man. >> All right, y'all have any questions? That's fine. I'm going to call a canine up here and have him run it. If the the dog's 19, Rodriguez versus US. >> A man was stopped on a public access road near the border area, while rookie border patrol agents circled around him, trying to learn what a real stop looks like. Even though the driver gave basic info right away, the rookie patrol acted like they were running some secret operation against smugglers. In reality, they were using a generic assumption that anyone driving on that road is trying to avoid the checkpoint, and with that approach, escalation is guaranteed. You're going Kaden? Yep, Mr. Kaden. What's it going, man? Going good. How about yourself? I'm doing all right. What's the reason for the stop? Uh, it's cuz, uh, you're traveling on the access road. Okay. >> past all the the ranch easements, so >> Right, right. Yeah, yeah. >> it looks like if you're not going to one of the local ranches, then it appears like you're trying to circumvent inspection at the checkpoint, so we have to investigate it. So, it's a public road, but like I said, >> Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. if you're not going into the local ranches? Right, I'm not going to the ranches. That's fine. Uh do you have a Can you roll the window down in the back? I can't see through the tint. No, that's fine. What's that? That's fine. That I can't see through the tint? Yeah. The stop was extended once the rookies decided they needed to search the back of the vehicle as if a whole smuggling network was hiding behind the rear seats. Instead of a normal immigration procedure, the patrol improvised and asked questions that had nothing to do with the original reason for the stop. By doing that, they were already stepping into the territory of prolonged detention. But wait, this was only the beginning. We're going to see if anybody else is with you, man. So, what's the reason for the stop? I already told you. I'm a I'm a US citizen, so what's the reason for the stop? I already told you what the reason was. Okay. So. >> Because we're over there on the access road watching traffic. >> Okay. Is Is this >> your vehicle. >> Is this over? I'm sorry? Is this over? Where are you from, partner? Is this over? Did I Did I say I'm a US citizen already? Yeah, you just did, yeah. Do you have any Do you have anything Anybody in the trunk or anything in the trunk? Did I say I'm a US citizen? Do you have anything in the trunk? >> see anybody else here? Do Do people hide in trunks? I don't know. Do people hide in your trunks? Not mine, but I've seen it plenty of times. >> Okay. So, do you have anything in there? What does What does that even matter, man? If you have anything in the trunk, why would it matter? >> Yeah. Um Not even my wife is asking me your The rookie patrol demanded extra answers to justify their own detention, even though the stop had already turned into an attempt to find guilt without any factual basis. Instead of concluding that there was no immigration element, these officers started making things up. But soon you'll find out what happens when evil cops play dumb and act innocent. Personal questions, I mean that's Is your body cam activated? Yeah, it's activated. Okay. Is that okay with you? If it's not, it's not okay. No, it's activated. All right. Now, the reason why I'm asking is cuz people smuggle in trunks all the time, man. Oh, really? We find people in trunks. >> Oh, you believe I'm a smuggler or I don't know. That's We have to investigate. That's the reason why I'm here on the stop is because I'm investigating to see you know what you're doing here on the access. Are those uh trainees or what? I'm sorry? Are those trainees? They're uh Border Patrol agents. Trainees? They're Border Patrol agents. Trainees? They're Border Patrol agents. Why can't you answer a simple question? Because he's a Border Patrol agent. Can you advise him that blocking my camera is a constitutional violation? Blocking your camera? How's he blocking your camera? With the light. The rookie patrol then used improvised light tactics to block the camera, which is a clear obstruction of documenting a public action. I don't know if this officer understood that at the moment, but he was interfering with the man's right to freely record in public. You know, also known as the First Amendment. And as far as I know, didn't he swear at the start of his career that he would protect that very same right? It's directly at my camera. It's It's directly at the light at the left side. >> anything in the trunk there? I don't answer questions. I'm sorry? I don't answer questions. All right, just hold on just 1 second for me. Why am I detained? >> The rookie patrol then decided to call a canine unit, even though they didn't have any specific indicators of smuggling. Their only argument was that the road the man was driving on, which as far as I know, is a legal act. In practice, that's called detainment without material basis. But, it was clear these officers were bored since they chose to do this. I partner, I would just feel more comfortable if I knew if there was anybody hiding in your trunk, man. I don't answer questions. That's fine. I'm going to call canine up here and just going to run it. If the the dog's 19 Rodriguez versus US, you cannot detain me beyond the scope of your your detainment. >> the scope of my duties, man. Of your detainment, what why did you detain me for? I already explained why I detained you. >> All right, that's irrelevant to my to what whatever I have in my trunk. >> That's irrelevant to whatever I have in my trunk. How is that irrelevant? It's Did you pull me over because you suspect I have somebody in the trunk? >> I'm a border patrol I understand. >> immigration official, right? Right, so immigration, right? and immigration stop, right? Did I inform you I'm a US citizen? >> You did. You have reason to believe I'm not? >> States citizen smuggle? You believe >> Do you think that I've ever caught anybody that's a United States citizen that smuggles? >> questions. Okay, I'll answer >> reason You have reason to believe I am smuggling. You have reason to believe >> When the rookie patrol realized their trunk theory was slipping through their fingers, they tried to extend the detention with questions that sounded more like a criminal interview than immigration control. But let's be real. They were just mad because this guy knew the law better than they did and now he was a challenge because he was hard to control. I am not I am not a US citizen. I have reason to believe that you are not from one of these local ranches. I am not. Okay. I'm not. I've never said I I've never claimed I am. If I see someone driving on the access road at this time of night, you're not from one of the local ranches, >> Okay. you're not oil field. I am not. I never claim I am. Okay, then to me it looks like you're circumventing inspection at the checkpoint. >> I did circumvent the inspection, yes. >> Okay. Yes. >> So I'm investigating that. All right. I am a US citizen. You're an immigration officer. Right and I've caught plenty of people before that smuggle people in their trunks. >> Okay, you have any facts to believe or any reason legitimate reason to believe that I have somebody in the trunk? >> Sir, tell you what. Rodriguez Rodriguez versus United States. You're detaining me beyond the scope of whatever you claim in this No, I'm not saying You are. You actually are. I told you I would feel more comfortable if you didn't have your hand on your weapon. >> can Uh I do have a supervisor. Can you call your supervisor? Yep. You're The rookie cops then tried to start a legal debate with the man who clearly knew the case law better than they did. In police culture, there's a moment when you realize you brought someone against yourself who actually reads legal rulings and that's exactly what they did. Under normal circumstances, an officer ends the stop when no basis exists. Here they decided to double down on the investigation. You're you're violating my constitutional rights. You are. That is that is my legal opinion. I'm sorry? That is my legal opinion and you actually are. That's your legal opinion? >> Yes, sir. Um are you a judge? Judge? No, you said it's your legal opinion. >> It is my legal opinion. >> Okay. Well, I'll call a supervisor right now. All right. Are you a rookie? I'm sorry? Are you a rookie? I'm sorry? Are you a rookie officer? A rookie? No, I'm not a rookie, so >> You're not? I'm not a rookie. All right. Why would What would the relevance of that be anyways? Uh your incompetence, your lack of knowledge. I'm not incompetent, sir, but that's Can you call your supervisor? This this Why you're extending the detainment? Okay, that's fine. Why is it extended? Why is it extended? Why are you extending? >> and know if there's anybody in your trunk right now. How is that relevant? Because I'm an immigration uh Immigration immigration. And so if The rookie patrol began using statistics from past cases as an argument for detention even those statistics are never a substitute for concrete indicators. Their assumption was that anyone who uses the access road must be connected to smuggling. I guess that means that we all need to be arrested then, right? And so if there's anybody hiding in your Immigration. >> an immigration inspection. Immigration, you believe there's anybody in the vehicle? You see anybody visible right now or are they hidden in your trunk? >> You see anybody else? In your backseat? No. Is there anybody in the trunk? What What's that relevant? Because people smuggle >> Okay, what if I tell you no? That's fine. I told you I'm going to run a K9 and if the K9's 19, he says he doesn't detect any hidden people or narcotics in your trunk, then you'll be free to go. >> body cam activated? It is activated. You have reason to believe there is somebody in my trunk? I do. Really? What facts do you have to believe that? >> told you why I believe that because >> do you have? I already >> What facts do you have to believe that? >> We're just going in a goofy loop right now, man. No, no, no. I mean, do you have to in order for you to continue the the detainment, you have to have some facts. Do you want me to call my supervisor? You're still detaining me. >> I am. Do you want me to You wanted me to call my supervisor? >> And you are violating I'm not violating >> clear clear established constitutional >> By extending the detainment, the rookie cops also added the topic of warrant checks even though the detainment had no criminal component. When an immigration stop turns into a screening for criminal offenses without new suspicion, the police step onto very slippery legal ground. but for some reason no one here seemed afraid for their qualified immunity. Some officers really have a high opinion of themselves. Constitutional rights which is Rodriguez Rodriguez versus United States. All right. You want me to call my supervisor or not? >> Rodriguez versus United States. You want me to call my supervisor or not? You don't care? That I call my supervisor? >> No, you don't care that you're Who's that? Your supervisor? I know I'm not violating your rights, but no, that's probably the canine. You want me to call the supervisor still? Yes. I'll be I'll be right back. The canine unit arrived, did its part, and finished the search with no results. In the legal dynamics of a stop, that's the moment when the detainment has to end. Instead, the rookie patrol offered the man freedom with the option of waiting for a supervisor. The man chose to wait for a supervisor, and I'd say that was a mistake, and you'll soon see why. Um you're free to go unless you want to wait for the supervisor. Are you staying here? I'm sorry? Are you remaining here? Am I going to remain here after you leave? No, when when your supervisor gets here. Yeah, I'll stay here. Okay. Do you want to wait for a supervisor still? Okay, that's fine. You're free to go though at any time. All right. >> And now the man kept waiting for the supervisor, but honestly, I'm starting to doubt these cops even called a supervisor at all. Or maybe they did, and that's why they wanted the man to leave because they knew they were the ones who messed up. Whatever it was, they should have apologized to this man. Instead, they started trying to justify themselves. Mhm. Oh, no. No, no, no. I mean, at this point you're free to go. Yeah, no, I understand that. I just needed a supervisor just to I mean Well, would you file a complaint with with the supervisor or Well, you can go through the supervisor or you can directly go to the station. Okay. I mean, you're welcome to do whatever you want. Is that the the South border patrol South? You're right in the North. North. Uh my precinct That's the 11th line, my precinct. My precinct. Uh are those trainees? Sir, I do not know everybody at the station. It's like a lot of us. No, I understand. I I I wouldn't be able to tell you Yeah. who's who, to be honest. All right, all right, all right. Um You're thinking it. Yeah. Yeah. How's it? Yeah. They messed up. Yeah. What makes you say that? The officer said the route wasn't common, which might be true, but rarity isn't proof. In legal logic, rarity doesn't create suspicion. The rookie patrol, however, turned rarity into the basis for a smuggling theory. That was the moment when it became clear the stop was being maintained thanks to police persistence and not police standards. Plus, who decides what's rare and what isn't? Honestly, you know you don't have to answer me. The the No, I mean I understand the the the detainment. [music] Um You know, I'm enforcing immigration laws. Um I immediately told him I was a US citizen and he had no reason to believe I'm not. Um and he never said he suspected I was not. Um He continued that detainment beyond the scope of what what you do, which is immigration No, no, no, I understand. I understand. Yeah, I was just traveling. Yeah, yeah. I work The common It's not very common for people to go through there, you know what I mean? No, no, I understand. Especially when the checkpoints open. Yeah. So Yeah, I mean I have paid like two or three years that I don't I don't use a checkpoint. I mean it's Yeah, I don't It's just a Yeah, I don't I don't use it. I don't I don't time of the day Right, right. Yeah. You get a lot of people smuggling through there. The man admitted that he'd been avoiding the checkpoint for years, which is completely legal. Police sometimes don't like it when citizens know what's allowed because it breaks the illusion of control. And with the supervisor's final arrival, many of you will say the situation got easier. At least he tried to lower the tension, but think for a second. Would the officers have behaved like this if their supervisor had already made it clear what's allowed and what isn't? Uh yeah. I I get >> So you know what I mean? I understand. I mean you They called you here and Yeah, it's Yeah. Unfortunately, man, like honestly, even when I go through the checkpoint, even though I work there, I I still get checked. Yeah, no, I understand. And I mean And I I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with identifying myself with with getting inspected. Uh But all, I mean, once you extend the scope of your stop continue that the payment and Was he acting unprofessional? No, no, no, he was not. Just the fact that he waited he continued the detainment even though he didn't suspect that he I had anybody or he didn't suspect I was not a US citizen. He extended that detainment that becomes unconstitutional. Okay. Hey, como estas? I'm a wood you ready know? Yeah. Yeah, not that one. No, I mean you know you basically know >> I know you from last time. What's your name again officer? >> yeah. I mean he continued the detainment even though he didn't suspect I I was not a US citizen and I had smuggling or anything like that. So Okay. Well, we know you >> He continued the detainment >> attention. I'm not going to let you go, okay? >> I'm not I like Let's go guys. Is there anybody in the vehicle? Do you have reasonable suspicion? Yes, under Terry vs. Ohio United States Supreme Court case. Now, the supervisor could have shown he was professional by apologizing to the man for the discomfort he experienced. But of course, that didn't happen here. That's the real sign he was only pretending to be a good cop because the man was recording and he didn't want to look like a clown on camera. Too late. In the end, the only thing left for these officers was to leave in shame. But if you think they were the ones who went too far, just wait until you see our next case. Speaking of those times when evil cops play dumb and act innocent, let's talk about this female officer who stopped two men on the street and started giving commands like she was interrupting a robbery and not a simple walk. I guess it bothered her that they were recording her while she was doing her job. Wait, doesn't that mean she wasn't doing something right? Huh? Where? Right here. Right here, I can't see because of the light. Okay, what are you doing? Where do me Right there. Where? >> y'all doing? Right here where I'm at or I can't see cuz of the light. Why do you have that over your face? Uh cuz of COVID. Why? What's up? Let me You got your ID on you? Uh Let me see your ID. Why? Let me see your ID. For what? Let me see your ID. For what? I'm asking for what. >> Because you're being a suspicious person right now. Let me see your ID. If you don't have If you don't give me your ID >> ID. If you don't give me your ID, you could go to you could go to jail. Jail for what? Failure to identify. Okay. Are we under arrest? You're being detained right now. Okay. For suspicious activity. >> 38.02 says we're We're only failing to identify if we're already under arrest and we failed to identify at that point or we gave false information for a Okay. Well, I have a witness who says that y'all been looking in vehicles. Okay. Is that a crime? That's not a crime. Looking in vehicles. >> Well, when you As time went on, the female officer shifted to rhetoric about identification and possible charges for failure to identify, even though Texas law clearly requires a person to be in a state of lawful arrest before that obligation activates. It's interesting how the rules on civil liberties are often the quietest in the mind of the person who's supposed to know them by heart. Well, when you're being very suspicious about it How? >> flashlight. We're You don't know. We could be looking for a dog or a cat. What do you What do you mean? >> Inside a vehicle? Well, did you see us looking in vehicles? Inside a vehicle. Did you see us looking in the vehicles, ma'am? A witness did, who I can attach to a report. So, you have to >> Uh where's the witness? She's right next to me right there. You could be talking about the young lady that was hiding in the car and you like lit her up to see what she was doing cuz he thought she might be burglarizing the car. Do you have your ID? Is that the person you're talking about? Do you have your ID, sir? No. What is your name? I don't know her. I think what I will do Call my sergeant. Okay. We can go ahead and have charges. Charges for? Failure to identify. Call the sergeant. >> to a police officer. Call the sergeant. >> 802 says you only have to identify if you've been lawfully arrested. Am I under arrest or something? You are not being arrested right now. You're going to be detained. >> We can't fail to ID if we're not under arrest. >> We can't fail to ID then. I don't get it. >> How long How long have you been a police officer? Hey, are we free to leave? He stayed right there and that's why we parked right there. And he was just passing by and he was in there flashing the lights in the car and I said, "What are you doing?" huh? How long have you been a cop? So you got two people sitting in a car and he lit you up to see what you When she claimed there was a witness who saw the men looking at vehicles, the female officer tried to frame it as criminal as a criminal act even though looking through car windows is by itself completely legal behavior. All of this just because someone saw a flashlight in front of a vehicle? I don't And he was looking inside of it. Yes, you are. You don't know what I'm doing. Every single car I didn't light up anything. And I What are you doing? He said, "Shalom Mihalas." What he said. What does shalom Mihalas mean? I'll give you some information. Okay. So you don't even know what it means, but you think it's a bad thing? >> No, it doesn't matter. Okay. I didn't lie anything. You're the one lying. You've been Y'all been >> Good gosh. Y'all been going to each car No. No. No. That's That's Okay, what are y'all doing? Walking down the street. >> Okay, why are y'all Why are y'all Where do you live? Why? >> What does it matter? We haven't done anything wrong. >> I'm asking a question. Hey. Okay, so where do you live? >> Hey, you don't need to raise your voice like that. Why does it matter where we live? >> Where do you live? >> Why are you raising your voice like that? Where do you live? Why? Okay. Call the sergeant. Call the sergeant. >> Okay. Call the supervisor. You're raising your voice, being very disrespectful. Mark wouldn't appreciate it. Mark wouldn't appreciate it. >> escalated when the female officer began raising her voice and pushing the question of where the men lived. Trying to extract identity and address without legal grounds is often just a straight abuse of the situation. Someone might say that this was an attempt to improvise probable cause on the spot. And you know what? You're probably right. But wait, this is far from over. How am I being disrespectful? >> You're screaming in our face. That's very disrespectful. >> get inside your face. >> Just now. The body Your body cam shows that. Because you came to me. You came to us. How? How? You You stopped us. >> Okay, a witness just saw you. Several cars. Several cars? Several cars, that's what they said. So, if we put a light on a car, that's criminal activity, yes or no? >> It's suspicious activity. >> It's criminal activity, yes or no? >> activity. But that's not Thank you. Call the sergeant. Come on. Go live. Do it now. Do it right now. Hey, it's not a good tactical advantage to put your back to us. Unless you're going Well, I mean, you haven't patted us down. You don't know if we have weapons. I was driving down here and one of the ladies saw you and they said you were doing this. When she talked about how the situation looked suspicious, the female officer demanded to know where the men were coming from, as if walking around the neighborhood was a privilege and not a right. Many officers in moments like this forget that detention isn't used as a test of honesty, but as a temporary restriction of freedom based on articulated suspicion. Here there was no articulation at all, just the desire to boost her ego. And so, he he put a flashlight on them to see what they were doing. And that's the end of it. Can I talk on the phone? He flashed this person in the car and these people were >> ID. She got in his face screaming and yelling. Yeah, backup on the way. Yes, I did. So, where are y'all coming from? That way. Okay. Lopez? Yes, sir. Okay. Hey, Lopez. >> y'all coming from? Where are you coming from? She then tried to conclude that suspicion existed because people who lived in the neighborhood sometimes break into cars, so it was important to determine whether these men lived there. But, everything she said didn't really make much sense. You simply can't restrict someone's freedom when you're not even sure the person is a criminal. Is it really strange to walk at night? What what difference would it make? I I seriously, what difference would it make if you knew >> Because Okay, but why are you being so defensive about it? That's not what I'm trying to >> not being defensive. >> Yes, sir, you are. You're not giving me no information, but >> So, not giving you information being defensive? >> have given me not one thing. I've asked you, "What are you doing?" And we explained that >> And then where I live where where how does that have anything to do with what you're doing? >> Okay, but Okay, but how do I know that you don't live in this area? How do I know that, you know, you're not here to burglarize any kind of vehicles. >> Are you accusing me of that? Okay, well, I mean, I could because I have a witness who stated that you were shining lights in front of all these cars. >> No, he put a flashlight into the car where those people were sitting. Why? >> Because it's suspicious. You talk about suspicious activity. You people sitting in an unlit car. >> how come you didn't call it in? We just You just pulled up. You just did that. You were walking away and and it's it's like Okay, but you could have acknowledged her. How come you didn't acknowledge her? He can't. He was standing there talking to her when you pulled up. Are we still I'm saying how come you didn't >> The female officer confirmed that the detention was still active, even though no specific crime was named, which is usually a nightmare for her supervisors because those exact words later end up under a judge's microscope. Instead of cutting the situation short and sending the men home, she chose to extend the conversation with no purpose. Great. Just keep digging yourself an even deeper hole. For what time? >> now. Okay, so we can't leave. I don't understand why, but So, we're being detained? There's no crime. But So, is it okay for me to go shine my flashlight on your vehicle? >> You do it all the time. No, I don't. Sure, you do. No, I don't. Sure, you do. Yeah, I'm I'm pretty sure she [ __ ] does. >> [laughter] >> There's no way she doesn't. But, at the same time, man, they're doing the classic auditor don't know what the [ __ ] I'm talking about line of questioning, which is oh, you have reasonable suspicion? Well, of what crime? They don't have to name a particular crime. They just have to have a reasonable suspicion. Let's break this down, the etymology of it. Reasonable, which means that most people would probably feel the same way. A suspicion, meaning they think something might be wrong. And then it has to be articulable, which means they can actually say what that suspicion is and why they have that suspicion. And then of criminal activity, not of a specific crime, just of any reasonable set of facts that might suggest crime is happening. And that's exactly what she has. Well, you're not in it, so it's okay for me to go up and down these streets and shine my flashlight on all these vehicles. >> If there's somebody sitting in a vehicle No, I'm being that serious. Like, will will I? That's not I I I wouldn't. Walking down a public street. He sees some people sitting in a car, there's no lights on, the engine's running, the back lights keep flashing like somebody's struggling in the car. He puts a flashlight into the car. There's two people sitting in there smoking dope or whatever they're doing down there. The female officer moved on to explaining the concept of suspicion as if it were a magic word that automatically triggers authority. But, suspicion without articulation is the same as an empty threat. The most interesting part was how the auditor stayed perfectly calm while watching her struggle with definitions she didn't understand. And even when she realized that there was no way out, she started blaming the citizens instead. Listen for yourself. >> Hold up. That lady that's in the car pulls up over here, asked him why he shined the light. He said He answered her. >> Okay. And she That wasn't good enough. She started >> You hold on. You didn't explain that story to me at all. >> I told you the same story three or four different times, lady. >> not. Yes, I did. >> No, you did not today. You're just going to get in his face screaming and yelling at him. >> just started recording is whenever you said the story. Okay. I've asked you what were you doing on >> It's on your body camera. It's on your body camera. >> you what were you doing on this street. "Walking" is exactly what you told me. >> That's exactly what I said, and that's exactly what I'll tell you right now. What am I doing? I'm walking down this public street. >> Did you not give this officer um more detail? Did you not give this officer more detail? >> Trying to save face, the female officer stated that the detention happened because someone thought they were looking at vehicles. Thinking isn't a legal standard. It's proof that police often use impressions as a substitute for facts. One of the most important lessons in police training is that it's not about feelings. It's about elements of the offense. I mean, they're called law enforcement, not assumption enforcement, right? Get a Get a supervisor and I'll review it and we'll go >> Just cuz I'm curious. I'm sorry, what was your question? >> gentlemen live in this area? I I'm not going to answer any more questions. She's told me I'm detained. I'm going to do what my lawyer says I should do, and I'm just going to shut up. Okay, you're not Okay, listen. You're stopped because someone said that you guys were flashing lights and things. That's the whole reason you're here. >> It's not a crime. It is weird to be doing it at 1:00 a.m. though. How is It's not a crime? She said we're not free to leave, so Yeah, it's not a crime. >> We we don't I'm waiting I'm waiting to hear what crime I'm being accused of. I'm not accusing you of anything. She did. She detained me. >> I mean, you're being suspicious. They already said what crime, too. The crime at issue here is auto theft or or burglary. That's what they're being investigated for, and she could have articulated that just fine. Because I'm walking down a public street with a flashlight instead of being in the dark so that I don't get run over by a car? >> okay, but if you're not Okay, so if you're telling me you're not being suspicious, why won't you explain where if you live in the neighborhood or not. Because it's none of your business. When the auditors pointed out that the law protects them and there was no basis for mandatory identification, the female officer tried to level the situation by asking where they lived, again, for who knows which time. No, really, now I'm actually curious why she insisted so much on where they lived because let's say she found that out, would it make any difference considering these people didn't commit a crime? Well, >> Never. You were very aggressive with us. You got in my face, 5 inches from me, screaming, "Give me your ID. It's failure to identify." >> several times. >> And you told me it was failure to identify and you were going to arrest us. That's what you said. I mean, Is it? Is that not what you said? >> That's exactly what I said. >> Yes. Go ahead and cuff him. Let's go. What am I going to cuff you for? >> Failure to identify. >> not identifying. That's what you said. You said you were going to arrest me for failure to ID. I am not going to give you my name. I'm not going to give you my date of birth. I'm not going to give you anything. Arrest me. Let's go. There There's my wrist. Come on, cuff me up. Let's go. 38.02 says you only have to identify in the state of Texas if you're lawfully arrested, not detained, Okay. not a witness. You should know this. The auditors then clearly stated they didn't want to talk to anyone anymore, which is completely legitimate because a citizen has the right to remain silent during detention. The female officer tried to keep her position by continuing to ask questions. Of course, it was like she was on a mission to disagree with anything these people did even if that meant embarrassing herself and her own badge. How about you? What? Are you familiar with Texas 38.02? No. Yes. Yeah. what does it say? Huh? Did I not just quote it correctly? Yeah, more or less. Listen, I'm not asking for your ID. I'm just asking if you live around here because they have people who walk around here breaking into vehicles. That's the only reason I'm asking. >> Well, well, you guys should be out here patrolling and catch them. Again, I'm just asking, do you live around here? That's all I'm asking. I'm not asking for your address. I'm not asking I'm asking >> What if I tell you where I live and then then you guys will be like riding up and down, get my plate numbers and state No, no, man. And then and then like pulling my kids over I have not I drove around all kinds of times. That's not going >> I have a black son. I don't need this. I don't need you guys harassing my son. >> just asking, do you live in the area? That's it. I I don't I'm not going to tell you anything. You don't You have a need to know. You don't My attorney has told me not to talk to the police, especially when I'm being detained. So, after almost 20 minutes of empty arguing, here's our situation. Two men who knew the law well enough to defend themselves from tyrannical cops and a female officer on the other side with her backup partners who were so clueless, they couldn't form a single valid argument together. How did these officers even get hired if they're this clueless? talk about anything, sir. And you haven't activated your body camera, have you? Yeah. Okay, good deal. I'll make sure. Okay. So, you said it was Which vehicle was it? Two parked there. Well, then already was that the vehicle that they flashed that they flashed the key light at? Third vehicle on the left right down there. The one that had the lights on them a minute ago? Yeah. Got two females in it, one white, one Hispanic. Okay. And they were just sitting in the car? The car was rustling around like they were struggling. The back lights were flashing on and off. So, he put the flashlight into the car. Other than that, we're walking down the street. You know, do we have flashlights on? Absolutely. We don't want to get run over. What's the big deal? Okay. You know, it it it's a shame that I have to resort to recording. As time got closer to a point that could be used in an argument about prolonged detention, the auditor stayed calm, which frustrated the female officer. Her response was to try to redefine the situation as some kind of friendly communication. Classic, but she wasn't in a conversation here. She was detaining citizens. That's a huge difference. Did she really think we wouldn't notice? Your body camera Your body camera will tell a different story. But of course, Mark Harmon's not going to release that. Mhm. When I go down there and do a public records request, he's going to hide it to protect you. And that's fine. That's That's that whole blue line gang thing, and I get it, you know. But it it to act that way it is senseless, it's needless, and you are a hazard to other officers. You're a hazard to yourself. You're a hazard to other officers. Okay. I mean, that's how you feel, but at the same time >> minutes in yet? Let's not forget how you were shining your flashlight. >> anything on nothing. I didn't do it. You, your friend, I don't It don't matter who, but the flashlights were being shined into people's >> who. So, if he goes and robs the bank, you're going to arrest me for it? It does matter who. >> We have had burglaries in this neighborhood. Burglaries of motor vehicle in this neighborhood. Um Did somebody say we broke into a car? That's up there. Okay. Well, thank God we're out here shining lights around to make sure no burglaries. When the female officer tried to defend herself by claiming everything was professional, the auditors reminded her that there was a body cam that could show the opposite. In a world where everything is recorded, police can't rely on verbal dominance anymore. And yet for some reason, they still acted like their cameras didn't exist. Um maybe maybe uh the neighborhood association needs to get a different contract deputy out here. I don't know, but I I don't know what your deal is. That that whole aggressive thing is just >> I was never being aggressive. >> Okay. Your body camera will tell Your body camera will tell a different story. Because I asked for an ID, I asked what y'all were doing here. You didn't start get The way you're speaking now is when you started recording as well. Of course. Okay, so let's not forget how you were being before. I'm not My hand's nowhere near my weapon. >> don't want to get shot. I've got a black mask on. You may think I'm a black man. I don't want to get shot. >> as well. I think I don't want to get shot. I would never get in your face the way you got in his face. It's unsafe. It is unsafe. It's unprofessional. I would never do that. And if I did that to you, what would happen to me? Okay. You were literally within 12 inches of him. I was not, but okay. Okay. That's fine. Your body cam will At this point in the illegal detention, another picture of incompetence appeared. The female officer didn't log the detention time or notify dispatch about the detention. That's a basic procedural requirement. Her failure meant none of her supervisors knew she had detained citizens. I love this tactic where cops pretend to be innocent and dumb, yet they know exactly what they're doing. Were you Did you call for a supervisor? Are we waiting for a supervisor? Are you going to let us go? We're still being detained. She just asked him, "Are you going to let" I heard you want one. I can get you one. I thought she called She said that >> I said my partner. No, no, no, you said you were calling I asked She called me. I did say you want Supervisor, supervisor, supervisor. Now review the footage back at the station and see what you did. So you might as well arrest him, you know, to cover up the complaint. Might as well arrest us to cover the complaint, Lopez. And civil liability. Asking to be arrested, too, is just [ __ ] stupid. Imagine how that's going to look to a jury. Hey, and let dispatch know we're detained, cuz you didn't do that earlier. There goes your witness. In the end, when the female officer finally let the auditors go, the lasting impression was that the most dangerous part of the night was her lack of knowledge. So, next time you meet the police, don't forget to record the interaction, you know, just in case. You never know how many clueless officers you're going to run into. And that brings us to our last case for today, where a tourist definitely ran into the bad ones. A tourist was standing on a public sidewalk filming the Parliament building, the lights, and the gate, exactly what any normal tourist would do in a city like this. As soon as he turned on the camera, the PPS officers came out and acted like this was some secret base. In their version, filming a gate looked like preparation for an invasion. But I don't know about you, the only invasion I saw here was an invasion of ego. Hey, man. Hi. How are you? Dude, what's up? What are you doing? I'm doing great today. How you guys doing? Hey. So I'm doing great. How you guys doing? Cuz you look like you're filming our our security system, man. It's everything I can see, man. Just filming. >> Be suspicious of all the way you are. I'm just saying you're having a great night. That's all. Yeah. Yeah. Can you do this somewhere else? Why why this is not public sidewalk? It is. It is, but you you you can't be just like that filming everything. Why? Is that illegal? >> Yeah, you're at the problem. Can't you film the security system? >> Yeah. It's it's a concern, but if you like just pass by and do like tourist thing Okay. And you can you allowed to go on the hill film the all the Parliament if you want to. Yeah, so he said it was illegal, so what crime would that be? Are you Do you know? >> Yeah. So, that's not a crime. Well We can And what's your name? Hey. I don't you don't seem you don't At that moment, the PPS officers played the oldest card in the security game. The card called suspicion. Suspicion is convenient because it doesn't require anything except imagination. And imagination combined with a uniform often turns into an attempt at authority without legal basis. Instead of a simple approach, they immediately started with pressure and questions. >> Oh, >> don't seem you don't seem very friendly, man. The thing is if you look suspicious, I can ask you to leave. And if you don't leave, then we can arrest you. We're allowed to do that. >> No, you can't. I'm on the public sidewalk. Yeah. If I was in there if I was in there, sure, yeah. >> you're on the public sidewalk, but you're filming our stuff. Yeah, everything I can see, yeah. That's our jurisdiction. >> No, no, I'm just on the sidewalk, man. >> We're just asking you to go get somewhere else. >> you open like to collaborate a little bit or Pardon me? Are you open to collaborate a little bit or we are we are losing you? >> Am I open to collaborate? >> Yeah. Well, what What about my Section 2B Charter of Rights? What What do you mean we're not doing this? Why Why are you filming? >> You're telling me if I stay here on the public sidewalk, you can arrest me? No, no, no. Are you >> Yeah, you just said that. You said what I'm doing is illegal. We're just asking you to go somewhere else, man. >> I'm respectfully declining, then. I'm I respectfully decline. >> you looking for? I'm just having a great night, just out here filming, man. Out here recording. Do it Do it somewhere else. That's what we're asking you. I I respectfully decline. I don't want to give my name at this point. Am I being detained or something? >> I'm just asking your name. Okay. My name's Guillaume. What's your name? Nice to meet you. Good, me too. Come with a better attitude next time and don't threaten me, maybe I will give you my name. >> I was asking you what you were doing. I'm just having a good night, man. I'm notorious. That's your type of a good night? Yeah. Okay. What's your type of good night? It depends. Everybody's different. >> As the minutes passed, the story slowly slid toward the classic false assumption that the public must obey private rules the officer invents on the spot. PPS claimed the tourist had to move because he looked suspicious. Who's going to tell these officers that the law doesn't work that way? Everybody's different, right? >> No, but when someone's asking me to go somewhere else, I I'll do it. Well, if they have any If they have any authority, yeah, sure. If you don't have any authority right here. >> for something, man. You're looking for I don't know what you're doing. >> All you have to do is just go back to work and leave me alone. no, no. You say I'm looking for something. What am I looking for? I think the building's cool. I think this is gate here is pretty cool. Yeah, I'm not on the property. I respectfully decline. What's your name again? What, sorry? Guillaume? Guillaume? I said that right? Okay, Guillaume. I respectfully decline. No, not at this time. Unless I'm being detained, then I'll give you my name. Okay. That's a cool tattoo, man. Thanks. It's my daughter's name. Yeah. Okay. You guys what? That's fine. You guys can do whatever you want to do. That's perfect, man. If you watch closely, at that moment PPS shifted from a security check into a social pressure phase. They started acting like the tourist was guilty because he didn't agree to obey their wishes. It's interesting how officers often expect obedience, while in reality, they shouldn't have even approached this man in the first place. I'm filming it right now in the background. You guys are trying to intimidate me or something? Here's what's going on. You guys came out here, asked me to leave. I said no, then you said you're going to arrest me. Yeah, you did. That's why I record everything. Yeah, I will. I will. You said you will arrest me. Okay. Now you're not going to arrest me. Now Now you're not threatening me with arrest. Now you just want to hang out. Yeah, of course. Okay. So I can be here then. It's just It's just considered suspicious behavior. That's I have no nefarious intentions. I have no ill will. I'm just here recording. I'm a tourist. >> filming. That's what we're saying. That we have take your word, right? That's what you're saying. We have to believe you. Right? You can watch me from from wherever you want. I just think it's pretty unprofessional just standing here. No, we're just watching you. It's like It's It's really rare that someone is at Parliament filming the security of Parliament. It never happens. So we It's considered suspicious. I've been here before. I've done it. I've When I came here, there's like five people right here recording over there. Okay, so where are they now? Where are they? I guess they left. Then came the moral gymnastics, the moment when officers use personal life examples instead of actual law. In this case, it was the example of a home camera and private property, as if a public Parliament had the same rules as someone's front porch. But seriously, you don't need a high IQ to know the difference between private and public. your daughter, right? For sure you love your daughter, right? Of course. >> So if someone doing the same thing as you and filming to your door, you will look You think that will be suspicious or not? Well, that's different. That's different. >> Why? Okay, why not? Because that's filming somebody's house. I'm not filming somebody's house. >> Your door Your your door is locked. You got a security system and he's filming all that. Do you know what? That's actually not There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing illegal with that. >> you're going to think suspicious and that's what we think too. So we're just going to make sure everything's all right here. And you know what? You think I'm suspicious, you come and ask questions. That's no problem. I got no I got no problem answering certain questions. It's when you guys first approach me, you come out very rude. Now you guys come out here very rude. You come out, show me respect, I show you respect. That's not what you guys did. That's not what you guys did. I filmed everything. The whole place. I came from over there, I filmed everything. Why do you want me to leave so bad? Look, if I stay here If I stay here, you're not going to arrest me, correct? Correct? But you said that this was your property earlier and that you could arrest me. You said it's your area. But now you guys switched up. So you come out They started standing around him, tracking where he moved, playing with tactical presence as if presence could replace legal basis. If a system works by presenting force instead of law, then we're not dealing with security anymore, we're dealing with control. Honestly, who would have thought a tourist camera could reveal training weaknesses faster than any official report? You come out here telling me this, telling me that, but it's really not the case. So next time somebody comes and starts filming the security gate, come out with a little bit more professionalism, brother. That's all. You come with a little bit more respect and I give you more respect, but you guys didn't show me that. You guys didn't show me respect at all. Yeah, it is respectful. We're in Canada, not North Korea. You guys he took my picture already. He took my picture already. What are you talking about? You guys have already You guys have already recorded me. What are you talking about? You already have, multiple times. That's not a crime. So is that not You just said it's not respectful. But you why don't you just come out with a little bit more respect next time this happens and you might get some more answers out of me. Okay. Maybe I'll be back tomorrow, too. No, you threatened me with arrest. Uh, there's no threat, man. Even though you have you you have no arresting powers on the public sidewalk. You guys are not police officers. Okay, and what's your name? You have no authority right here. I respectfully decline. Okay, stop with the respectfully. There's no respect here from yourself. No? No, no, no, no. Okay. Have a nice day. You'll just go. >> You should you you should just get back to work. At that point, PPS changed tactics. The plan was no longer to remove him, but to follow him. That's a well-known security game, intimidation without effort. The goal is to make the person tired of being watched, so he leaves on his own. That might work on teenagers in a mall, but it doesn't work on people who know section 2B of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. That's what I'm saying. >> get back to work, sir. You're supposed to de-escalate situations like this, right? Well, I I You're not doing a very good job, man. There's nothing to de-escalate. Yeah, you don't want to agree with what I'm asking you. Just go somewhere else. That's it. No. I want to stay here. I'm going to do it. I'm doing it right now. There's no respect, you know? You're not you're not filming anything, buddy. No, no, no. I don't mind being in your your camera. I don't mind. Yeah, cuz we're in Canada, not North Korea. We have the freedom of the press. Okay, you're that type of person, okay. I'm I'm because I mentioned the Canadian Constitution, I'm one of those people, eh? And what does that mean? I'm somebody who knows my rights, is that what you mean? That's that's just I'm asking you politely to go somewhere else. You don't have to stay here and film security stuff. But, I want to. Yeah, why? That's what I'm asking you. Why are you filming? Because I'm free to do it. It's not nothing wrong with it. That's my point. There's nothing wrong with it, and you should just go back to work and leave me alone. Do you not understand that? Well, there was these guys Soon enough, somebody's going to tell you guys to come and move along, like this gentleman here. Looks like your sergeant. Somebody sergeant? He's going to tell you guys to move along eventually. I'm not leaving until >> And then the journalism argument appeared. PPS claimed that CBC could film because they had permission, while an independent journalist didn't didn't fall into that category. And that's where you see the core problem. The state loves media it can invite to briefings and that work in its favor, while independent journalists become an inconvenience for whatever reason. >> I'm not leaving till you guys leave. >> here with you. You're my best friend tonight. I'll be with you. Don't worry. Okay. >> I'm here till tomorrow morning, so no worries. I got a battery pack, too. My shit's fully charged. >> There you go. There you go. Yeah, we're up for a a good night. I guess so. There you go. The difference is that the taxpayers are paying you guys to stand here with me. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Seems like a waste of resources to me. You should be like patrolling the area. Oops, sorry. Good night. You guys are obstructing the sidewalk as well. So, let me ask you something. If CBC was here, what if I worked for CBC? Would I be allowed to be >> PPS then tried to switch to an emotional story about how they treat tourists, as if this wasn't filming a state institution, but someone's private garden. In those moments, you could see how the officers shifted the discussion from rights to feelings. But if this annoyed you, get ready for the next frames. Would I be allowed to do this? Would you bother me? >> they have permit to be there. Oh, so they have a permit. Okay. So, independent journalists gets bothered by you guys, but CBC, CTV >> that were asked to go somewhere else, they'll go somewhere else. Don't worry. Not when they're in the public area. Okay. Yeah. So, all right. Thanks for answering that. So, if I was CBC, you would completely just leave me alone? I answered that. Yeah, but since I'm independent, you're going to bother me. Yeah, you said they can because they have a permit. It's a fundamental freedom. You don't need a permit, brother. Section 2B of the Canadian Charter of Rights is our fundamental freedoms. There you go. What's with that flag, man? That's not a Canadian flag. Okay. Usually the Canadian flag's like what? Red and white, right? I'm pretty sure. What's that supposed to be? Like a blue line one or something? It looks like a like a gang flag to me. I understand French as well. So, don't think you're slick. >> [laughter] >> Oh. You think you're slick. I'm not even talking about you, man. Oh, that was funny, man. Yeah, it is. Then the PPS officers switched into defensive denial. First, they claimed they could arrest him. Then they said they'd never said that. And then they claimed they were just asking. It's the same old revision tactic we've seen many times where a threat gets rewritten into a misunderstanding. But just because these evil cops play dumb and act innocent, doesn't mean we don't see what they're doing, right? This is a nice picture right here in the background with the parliament in the back and these two officers right here. This might be my thumbnail. I'll probably just add that other guy who told me I was going to have a problem. Stick him right here. Yeah, so we're not the first one to tell you that, eh? And you seem to uh cooperate. Well, if you had any authority, I'll listen to you. Under threat of arrest, I listen. Yeah, sure. Yeah. But, you can't arrest me here. I'm not on your property. I'm on the public sidewalk. Doing a little story about the parliament area here. Is this what you guys do to every tourist that comes by here and takes video here? No. No. The tourist then nicely demonstrated a key point. Authority always loves an obedient citizen. When obedience disappears, authority instinctively switches to intimidation or denial. Here we also get a third phase, the phase of following and pretending to be friendly. Still, the fact that they're now trying to talk nicely doesn't erase the ignorance they've already showed. No. No, just me? Yeah, exactly. Just you. You're special. Cool. >> For us. That's strange. You guys are weird, man. Crazy how when you first came out here, you were threatening me with arrest, but now you just want to hang out. That's weird, man. I don't know why you would say that to me. "This is our area. We can I'll you if we want." is what you said. Pretty sure word for word. Look at that again. >> a body camera as well. There you go. Everything's being recorded. Anyone who talks to me gets recorded. Oh, it's crazy how you denied that you were going to arrest me. You say you're going to arrest me and then you deny that you said it. That's why I think maybe you guys should have body cameras as well. I don't think Ottawa police do, but you know, maybe you guys should. Little bit of transparency, accountability, don't hurt nobody, eh? Minutes later, PPS switched to joking. When they run out of arguments, officers often try to water down the seriousness to soften their own mistake. Still, they'll learn the hard way that pathetic attempts like this don't work on this man. So, next time they might think twice before approaching someone for no reason. Why would you say that anyway, guys? Why would you tell me that you're going to arrest me? That wasn't very nice, man. When you know damn well you can't arrest me here. You can call the Ottawa police. They would come and tell you guys that I'm perfectly fine here and to leave me alone. So, I really don't know why you would say you're going to arrest me, man. You're really not that friendly, brother. Gave me your name and everything, man. You you seemed like you were cool. OP1316, come on, man. Come on, man. Come back down to earth, man. You don't have that much authority. You're not that guy, man. Come on. The officers realized they weren't scaring anyone. They had no authority, and the camera was catching them trying to control a citizen who simply knew his rights. It's fascinating because in a country that prides itself on freedom, the biggest panic happens when that freedom is actually used in practice. Isn't that strange? You guys are not that guy, man. P1170, come on. You're not that guy. Just relax. Stand down. Don't threaten people with the arrest like that when you know you can't. You shouldn't say that. You guys went quiet now. I thought we were going to hang on and have a good time. >> Look, your last call is anyone we know that, so we don't lose our time. That's Come on, P1316. Come on, man. Why would you tell me you're going to arrest me, bro? It's not very nice. Not very professional of you, dude. It's also pretty rude that you try and speak French. When you speak to each other, you speak French? Why can't we? Freedom? What what >> That's what it is? >> Why are you trying to like hide from me? You're trying to hide what you're saying? I know. Don't worry. What time do you shift over? Sometime. Sometime? Sometime. Cool. I'm at work right now, too, and my shift ends when I say it does, so I'm just going to hang out. I might actually go across the street and film the building some more. You guys want to go for a walk? Sure. Let's go. Let's go. There was no more talk about arrest, no talk about removal, no talk about a security threat. But if you think that meant this case was over, well, you'd be wrong. Because the officers kept following this tourist, all just to avoid admitting they were wrong. Let's go. Come on. >> Nobody. All right. Come here, boy. Come here, boy. Come here, boy. Come on. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Come on. Come here, boy. Oh, keep going, buddy. Come here, boy. Come on. Go back this way. Come on. Um Mikey? Take care, man. Don't worry. I'm coming back. Oh, he's going to get the car. You guys need to stay warm, eh? One's going to stay in the car, one's going to stay with me. That's cool. That's cool. It's not that cold, so I'm good. Let's go for a walk this way, yeah? Let's go. Sure. Where you from? Oh, you want to start You want to start on a fresh foot now? I don't know. Where you from? You want to start on a new page? >> [snorts] >> At the very end, PPS tried the final line of defense, the line where the officer refused to identify himself and switched to rhetorical questions instead of answers. And when officers refused to give us their information, we'll take that as a sign that they knew how badly they messed up. If you're sitting there thinking, "Wow, it can't possibly get worse than this." I hate to break it to you. It absolutely can. And in the next video, we're showing you exactly how. Drop a comment if you're ready for more jaw-dropping cases because trust me, we've only scratched the surface. I'll see you in the next one.