Well, you're giving us false identification for one. That ain't you. I don't know what else. So, now you can go to jail for your ID. >> Can you hear me? Are you deaf? Can you hear me? Come here. Keep him Keep him going. Come here. >> Is there anybody else in the car? >> No. But, what's up? >> Dummy. >> What is going on? >> You're under arrest. That's what's going on. >> Sometimes police are going to try to arrest you, even if you're 77 years old. Other times, they'll push things further simply because you knew your rights and didn't back down. And in some situations, the roles get so twisted that even someone from law enforcement can suddenly become the one in danger. These encounters escalate fast, cross serious lines, and leave you wondering how far things can really go. So, let's find out. >> think you're under the influence, old man. Is there anything in that truck? >> Uh >> Do you mind if I take a look? >> A routine traffic stop turned into something no one expected. In the middle of a small gas station in Joliet, the situation started to slide in the wrong direction as soon as additional patrol cars showed up. It all began when Officer Corey Seffel pulled over a driver for having his headlights off. So, let's see how far these officers went and what happened next during this encounter. >> I still think you're under the influence, old man. Is there anything in that truck? >> Uh >> Do you mind if I take a look? Can I have consent to search the truck? >> I mean >> You're not under arrest. I'm just asking for consent. If there's nothing in there, then you have nothing to worry about. That's what we're saying. >> Am I being placed under arrest? >> You're not under arrest. You're just being detained for right now. >> I want can talk to you. But I'm asking you for consent to search the vehicle. Yes or no? That's not the answer I asked. Yes or no? Even if you were under arrest, I still have to ask. But you're not under arrest. Can I search your vehicle? >> While they were at the gas station, Officer Caesar Mendoza and Officer Robert Embry joined. Three officers for one vehicle with no headlights. It feels like something much bigger is coming. That's where the usual show of force begins because numbers often replace control. When three officers stand around one man, it's clear the focus is dominance and pressure on the situation. >> Yes or no, sir? Yes or no, sir? If there's nothing in there, there's nothing to worry about, man. It's It's your property. That's why I'm asking you, is it okay for me to search it? If there's nothing in there, then there's nothing to worry about. So, can I search it or not? Hector, simple question. Yes or no? Is there something in there? Is there any large large sums of cash? No drugs? Nothing, no paraphernalia, nothing? Can I search your vehicle? >> This tyrant suddenly decided for no reason to ask the man for permission to search his car using the excuse that if he had nothing to hide, he had nothing to worry about. But that wasn't the point. Simply put, if someone hasn't broken the law, officers don't have the right to even think about something like that. >> All right, tell you what. I'm going to get my dog out. I'm going to let him sniff that vehicle. If he If he stops or alerts to it, I'm taking him in. Okay? Okay. Then step over there. Unless you want to get bit by the dog, I'd follow him. >> Once the man said no, that's where it should have ended. But they kept insisting and applying pressure because they didn't like his answer. And then they went so far that the man didn't have any chance. And now suddenly, we end up with the man being arrested. >> You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while you're being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, let me finish. Let me finish. Hector, let me finish. One will be appointed to represent you before any questioning if you wish. You can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. Do you understand your rights? You're not being arrested. And do you still want to talk to me? Do you understand your rights? Yes or no? Hector, I need a yes or no question. Do Do understand your rights? I read them to you, do you understand your rights? Do you understand your rights? Yes, sir. Actually, do you understand your rights? Do you understand your >> So, when they didn't find anything in the car that would justify continuing to escalate, the problem is that we're in the middle of reading Miranda rights and we don't even know why the man was arrested. We don't even know why they approached him because they didn't explain anything. Still, don't let that confuse you because very soon they'll come up with something pretty stupid. >> Do you understand the things I just read to you? Do you understand? Tell you what, I'll read them one more time, okay? You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have one present with you while you are being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning if you wish. You can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or remarks or any statements. Do you understand? Do you understand English pretty good or do you need Spanish? Spanish more clear? I'm just trying to make sure you understand. You're not You're not being arrested, but I have questions. That's why we read you this. So, I have questions. Do you want to continue Do you understand your rights? >> What the man didn't know was that he didn't have any chance, but he did know his rights and he stayed silent because he didn't have to answer the police's questions. And that irritated the officers so much. It's obvious that the more you know your rights, the more officers seem to dislike it because they know they can't control you as easily. >> Yes or no, brother? Do you understand? Yes? I read them to you straight. Do you understand? You have rights as a civilian. And I just read them to you, okay? You don't have to talk to us cuz I have questions about your truck, okay? So, do you want to talk with me some more? Yes or no? I have questions about your truck, but I can't ask you these questions. Do you want to continue having me ask you questions about it? Cuz I have questions about your truck. Cuz as of right now, your truck's not going anywhere. Yeah, here you go. Why don't >> 20 minutes later, the situation hadn't moved forward at all. These officers were still like vultures, waiting for a moment where they could go after the man. What kind of question is why he's there? Well, because he can be. Because he's a free citizen and has the right to be wherever he wants, whenever he wants. >> Your story's changed twice. Cuz when I first saw you, I pulled up to this gas pump right over here, and I watched you circle four or five times, okay? That was weird. Your lights were on, also. I went to the store and asked the counter, clerk at the counter, how long you've been here. They've also seen you go around a couple times. As soon as we come back out, you start going east back with your lights off. Then you came back over here, and you almost hit me here twice. Also, with your lights off. You stopped at the pump, you never got out, never got gas. What were you doing? You never got fuel. Why didn't you get fuel when you were parked at the mall? Stuck at the mall. Come on, after. I'm not I'm not stupid. >> By force, the officers took the man's ID. I don't even need to say how bad that is, but that's not the worst part. Because for some reason, in a normal photo, these officers will see a perfect excuse for their illegal behavior up to this point. >> What's your real name? What's your real name? Can I see this? >> No. >> What's your real name? >> What what do you do with the video? >> What's your real name? >> What is on there? >> What is on there? What's your name? What's your name? >> Let's say we just hook him up, yeah? Put your hands behind your back. Yeah, put them behind your back. Stop resisting. Stop resisting. >> Why am I being arrested? What do you mean? What is this? Are you talking What's going on here? You just >> Well, you're giving us false identification for one. That ain't you. >> Look at these tyrants as they stare at the ID and compare it to the man standing right in front of them. But if we're honest, most of us don't really look like our documents. And just when you thought the situation couldn't get any worse, these officers decide to push it to a level where they'll later regret their own actions. >> So now you can go to jail for your ID. >> No, there's my ID. >> No, that's not you. >> Well, then can I see the the ID, please? >> Nope. >> Uh that's my ID. If you could see it then >> you. Then you would know the name that's on it and you don't even know the name that's on >> Extra stop. >> What is it even on it? >> It's a stop. >> What is it is some What is it? >> Stop resisting. >> You can't see it. Stop. >> Okay, put it Good. >> Got it? >> What am I doing? >> You're going to jail. >> What for? What? >> Stop >> I thought we were going to share it. It's like Okay, I got it. I got to tell you again. >> You're going to go to the ground. That's what's going to happen. >> I'll see you at the What do you want to do? Sit on? Hector, I swear. >> Okay. >> Stop. >> Okay, what is What are you saying that's not my my name? What does that mean? It's not my name. Could you tell us what it means? >> And in the blink of an eye, the man was in handcuffs, while at the same time he didn't even know why. So, usually when an officer arrests someone, it pretty much means the situation is coming to an end and all that's left is to take him to jail, right? Well, not really, because these officers had in mind to escalate the situation even further. >> What's What What's the name on my ID? Why are you saying it's not my name? Can I see my my driver's license? >> then? >> What could What's What's on my driver's >> You should know your name if you know your name. What's your What's What is your name? I'll confirm it. What's your last name, Hector? >> Well, this is my last name. >> That's what I do, man. What's your last name? >> Um Why am I being like >> Cuz your name's not Hector, is it? >> Yeah, but Dude, what does it have on my ID? >> It's got residue on it. >> Could you tell What is it? >> Well, I just pulled it out of your pocket and it's >> What What is that? >> And it's got some residue on it. >> What What is >> You got anything You got anything back here cuz you won't even sit down. >> I know I can't sit down. >> No, it's not yours. >> We tried to get into the >> to tell me what it is. >> Hey, look, what is What is it? Okay, sir. Look, you want to go You said you were going to look at the So, what are you doing? >> In the next few minutes, the officers kept asking the man to tell them his last name. By law, which they should know, once someone is arrested, he still isn't obligated to say anything because he'll be identified at the station. Still, their need to stay on top didn't let them stop, and they soon would go one step further. Now they tried to shove him into a small cage in a K9 vehicle where a dog was already inside. So, let's pause for a second here because this has nothing to do with standard procedure anymore. Pushing a man into a space meant for a dog feels like a kind of punishment, not a safety measure, but for some reason, they didn't see anything wrong with that. >> Wait, what are you doing? >> I'm going to tase you if you don't get in. >> All right, okay. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I understand. >> One. >> Get in. >> Pick up your legs. >> One. >> Do it. >> I'm all right. Okay. >> Get in. >> I'm getting in. >> All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes. Okay. Yes, sir. I will stop. Stop. >> Get in. >> I'm going in. >> One. >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. >> Two. >> Okay. >> Three. Do it. >> Okay. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I'm going I'm getting in. I'm getting in. >> Inside now. I am. I am. I am. >> As the man struggled to fit into that cage, Officer Mendoza started using a taser. And not just once, but again and again, while Officer Safford practically encouraged it to continue. This wasn't an attempt to control anyone. It looked like frustration coming through a trigger. Because when someone is already in handcuffs, how much force is really needed? Obviously, more than what the law allows. >> Get in. Do it. >> Get in. >> Get in. Get in. Two. Three. >> I have A RIGHT, SIR. >> [screaming] >> GET INSIDE. GET IN. FOUR. >> I'M GETTING IN. I'M GETTING IN. I'm getting in. >> Two. >> Yeah, I'm getting in, sir. Yes, sir. I'm getting in. I'm trying to get I'm going I'm getting in. I'm getting in. Look. I'm getting in, sir. Look. >> Get in. >> I'll get in. Hold on, sir. Okay. What Tell me Can you tell me what it is, though? What is my truck? >> TWO. DO IT. THREE. >> YES, SIR. >> DO IT AGAIN. >> I GOT IT. I GOT IT. I'LL GET IT. GET IT. >> LIFT YOUR LEGS. >> ONE. >> Do it. >> Two. I'm getting in. I'm getting in. I'M GETTING IN. >> [screaming] >> OKAY, SIR. I'M GOING SLOWLY. >> IF THIS IS HARD TO WATCH, I completely understand. These are probably the worst police officers I've ever seen in my life. And now, I'm more sure than ever that these officers had serious complexes growing up because this fed their ego. They showed us how desperate they are as officers and why people don't want their tax money going to tyrants like these. >> Get in. >> [screaming] >> WHAT IS THE ID YOU HAVE ON THERE? WHAT IS YOUR WHY ARE YOU saying that? Sir, please. What are you doing? Hey, what the hell >> Yes, I GOT IT. >> WAIT. >> SIR, STOP. >> HEY, MAN. WHAT ARE YOU DOING? STOP. I'M GOING TO TAZE YOU AGAIN. >> GET in there. >> Sir, please. Can you tell me what the ID is? What is the my driver license, sir? Sir, please tell me. Yes, sir. Please tell me what the ID is, please. >> Get your foot out of the doorway. Please. One. >> What is the ID? What is the You're not telling me what THE ID IS. >> THAT NUMBER QUICKLY REACHES 13 times the laser was used. 13 times more than it should have been. By the rules, a taser is used only when officers think they're in danger and only once until they restrain the suspect. And no matter how powerful they thought they were in this moment, all we see is how weak they really were. >> What the hell is your deal? Get on the other side, buddy. >> What am I being charged with doing? I got to see your I I need my >> Let me see. I think so. Stand by. >> Okay, so I can get my ID. What is it? Okay, sir. Go ahead. >> That's fine. >> Hey, sir. >> Get him out of the car now. >> Sir, I'm going to >> I'm going to taze you again. >> What question >> I'm going to taze you again. >> Return to my truck. We got him. >> Get in. >> We got him. Okay, we're going. I'm going, SIR. LOOK. >> HEY, MAX. STAND BY. >> SIR, WE'RE GOING. >> OKAY, GOOD. >> After that, they move him to the back seat of Officer Embley's patrol car. It looks like the situation is finally under control. But then comes another shock, another taser, the 14th time. At that point, there's no justification, no explanation that sounds reasonable. This looks like a complete loss of the line between control and punishment. >> Hey, hey, hey. Stop, dude. >> What? >> We're going. >> Yeah, okay. Going. I got it. I got it. >> Come on. >> Okay, you got it. GO AHEAD. >> COME ON. >> OKAY, YOU GOT IT. >> READY? >> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I'M GOING TO GO. >> GO. Put him >> I'M GOING TO GO. HEY, YEAH. >> KEEP HIM WALKING. >> ONE, TWO. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. I'M GOING. >> [ __ ] GO. >> YEAH. >> YOU GOOD? >> YEAH. >> GOOD? >> YEAH, I DID. >> 10-15 John. We're 10-5. Correction. 10-4. One in custody. >> Yeah, I got it. >> Yeah. No, I don't have it. >> I do. >> You got it? >> Yeah. >> What was the patrol car? >> Head definitely not him. That's why he sweats so much. >> By the time they arrived at the jail, the man was unconscious. The officers began resuscitation, but sadly, he was pronounced dead. Later, it was revealed that they hadn't monitored his condition the way they were trained to during this whole process. After everything, two officers were found guilty of violating his rights, while officer Sefo pleaded guilty to multiple charges. The city paid a multi-million dollar settlement to the family, but what does that mean now? And if this shocked you, we're not done, because now we move on to an officer who arrested a 77-year-old man. 77-year-old Dale Hancock was sitting at home after riding when he noticed police lights at the end of his driveway, on his property, where his family and animals also live. That wasn't a small thing. He got into his truck and went to check what was going on. What should have been a simple check quickly turned into a situation that got out of control. But honestly, isn't that always what happens with officers? >> Can you hear me? Are you dead? Can you hear me? Come here. Keep moving. Keep moving. Come here. Come here. Put your hands on the hood. >> Put your hands ON THE TRUCK NOW! PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE TRUCK! >> YES. >> YOU GUYS AIN'T GETTING MONEY BACK. >> NO. What's going on? What am I What am I getting arrested for? >> He's drunk. I put you in jail. What's your name? >> Justin. >> I'm going to read this to you in a minute, okay? You've seen it on NCIS and everything else. Just for formality, okay? Before I talk to you. All right? >> want to see you. >> Okay. You have the right to You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Having these rights in mind, do you wish to talk to us now? >> What What's going on? >> As Dale approached, one cop shone a flashlight directly into his eyes and started walking toward his slow moving vehicle. Imagine the scene. A man driving at walking speed [music] and an officer moving straight at him like he's chasing a criminal. And then of course [music] comes the classic move, creating drama where there isn't any. >> I was with you for a mile and a half. Officer. >> Man, mile and a half. >> Hey, hold on. >> Stay back. >> Hey. Yo. Hey. You pulled the movie. >> What do you think you're doing? >> As Dale is very slowly pulling around on his own property, mind you, to see what the commotion is, Deputy Seth Howard walks directly [music] at Dale's vehicle and then acts as though he's in fear for his life as the truck doing 2 miles an hour comes to a stop in front of him. And then all hell breaks loose. >> I don't You just hit my YOU ALMOST HIT HIM. WHAT ARE YOU DOING? >> I'M NOT doing anything, sir. >> You No, you're not going over there. >> Hey, I'm not doing anything. >> What are you What is it? Hey, this is about >> As soon as the cop got close, he jumped back dramatically like the truck almost ran him over. While the other one immediately pushed the story that he was nearly hit. And now watch this. Instead of admitting they were standing in the way, they switched the narrative because it's obviously easier to invent a threat than explain [music] why you're standing in front of a vehicle moving 2 miles per hour. >> Hey, this is about to turn into a whole different situation. You almost hit my deputy. Put your hands on here. Now. Now. You almost hit my damn We got one fighting. You're going to get tased if you move again. You understand? You're going to get tased. What is going on? >> I don't have the idea either. >> We got more family pulling up. >> They are crazy with my dad. >> NOBODY'S TASING ANYBODY. STAY BACK. STAY BACK. >> THEY'RE CRAZY. THEY'RE CRAZY. >> GET YOUR FEET UP. >> STAY BACK. >> NO. NO. NO. He's going to jail and you're going and he's going to jail, too. No. No. No. I'll tell you this. If you move, you're going to go to jail for obstruction. >> Let me tell you something. >> No, I'm going to tell you something. I conducted a lawful traffic stop that he fled. >> The situation actually starts with Justin, his son-in-law, who police stopped not far from the house. And Justin slowly continues to the driveway before stopping. A completely normal reaction when you're just a few meters from home. But for the police, that suddenly becomes a problem. It seems like common sense isn't part of the procedure when ego takes over. >> traffic stop that he fled from. Do you understand me? He fled from my traffic stop. He's going TO JAIL. HE ALMOST RAN over a deputy just now. I'm not going to redirect to you. Get back in your car and go home. You're going to go to jail. Do you understand? >> Daniel, are you okay? >> He's okay. He's okay. He started fighting when we tried to put him in cuffs just now and then he ran over the >> This man is 77 years old. >> He almost ran over a deputy. It don't matter how old he is. >> This is >> It don't matter. It don't matter. >> My husband, he has never done >> He almost ran over a deputy. You don't understand. >> Well, then he should >> He almost hit a deputy. >> Well, maybe y'all were in his way. Maybe >> We were in his way? Get in your vehicle right now. >> This is my property. >> Get in your vehicle. You Yeah, you're interfering with an investigation. Go in your >> I'm not talking to you. >> Go in your vehicle. I'm not messing with you. Sit Sit down. Be a grown woman. Sit down. Get Put your leg in. >> What the >> Is he Do we need to check Do we need to Are you hurting? >> Am I hurt? >> Are you hurting anywhere? >> I said would you move my feet up a little bit? >> We Oh, we can't do that. Are you hurting though? >> Am I hurting? >> Yes. >> Well, these handcuffs are a little tight. >> Okay. Well, okay. Besides the handcuffs, >> No, I'm fine. >> Okay. Very Okay. Holy Right now. >> My husband >> Now, for better understanding, Justin is treated like he's already guilty while the officers skip to the basic step of explaining the reason for the stop. Meanwhile, Dale notices the police lights and heads toward the driveway. A man who thinks that someone might be hurt or that the animals got loose comes to help. So, now it's at least clear how we got to this situation. But, believe me, >> [music] >> it wasn't over yet. >> My husband is 77 years old. >> He almost ran over a cop just now. You're not listening. Your Is it your grandson? Is it your grandson in the white truck? >> No, [music] sir. That's my son-in-law. >> And trying to talk with him, your Is it your husband? >> Yes. >> He almost ran over one of my deputies just now. And then, when we attempted to put him in handcuffs to detain him for that, he started fighting us. >> My husband >> Yes, he's going to jail for resisting arrest and obstruction right now. Cuz I've had to I've got to stop my investigation for DWI with him in regard to dealing with this. Now, he's going to jail, too. >> My >> Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, just like that. That quick. >> [music] >> As soon as he almost ran over my deputy and started fighting me when I tried to put him in handcuffs. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're doing. >> You told us that my husband is 70 He's a He's >> Did you not see him just fighting with my deputies? >> No, sir. I did not. >> Okay, he did. He did. I'm telling you, okay? >> He is 77 years old and he had a heart surgery. >> That might be. Doesn't matter. He almost ran over a deputy. >> Maybe he didn't see you. >> He didn't see my lights. >> He didn't see my lights on shining. >> No, listen. >> He didn't see my lights. >> Okay. Case closed. Right here. This is your right. This is >> I'm a lot on shining, everything. This is what I'm going to do. >> Okay. I'm not I'm not going to argue debate, okay? What we're going to do is they are going to jail, okay? They'll both be out in about 8 to 10 hours, okay? It'll be morning time. In the morning time, you can them up, okay? Do you have questions in regards to that? >> Because my husband came up here to see what was going on with the lights. >> Yes. Yeah, see he he almost just ran over one of my deputies. >> He didn't know what was going on. >> At this point, Dale's wife is standing in front of the officers trying to explain that her husband is 77 years old and had heart surgery. While the officers kept repeating that he almost ran over a deputy. She's literally trying to give them context and they're repeating the same line like a broken record as if repeating it will magically turn the story into a fact. >> What was going on? >> Well, he almost ran over your deputy. Ma'am, okay. Do you see these flash Do you see Ma'am, do you see these lights right here on this this first deputy vehicle? Are you You're telling me your husband didn't see a deputy in front of those lights? >> I I No, let me tell you what. Let me Let me explain something. We have driveway alerts. So, my driveway alert went >> 100%. >> right there in the at the fence. So, I got up to see who was coming up the driveway. This is safety. She said, "Dale, there's [music] police cars all up there on our driveway." >> Yeah. >> So, he got up and he headed his way. He did not have any idea of what was going on. I said, "Dale, right? If somebody was breaking into her house, if somebody had stolen We didn't have any idea. He was coming up here. He didn't know what was going on. >> Absolutely. So, I understand where you're coming from and I I do apologize for >> [music] >> guiding you to your vehicle, okay? But there's no way your husband didn't see a deputy in front of these flashing blue lights with his headlights on and this deputy's flashlight on. Okay? There's no He Yeah, you can't come over here, but you can get out of your car. You have to >> I need to speak to my husband. >> No, ma'am. You Well, that's not happening right now, okay? Um I would like if you can go ahead and do a tow sheet for this vehicle and inventory and that type thing. Um that's going to go with us. Ask for >> The officers step aside a bit and start talking amongst themselves about what to do with Dale. While one immediately pushes the idea that he's going to jail for obstruction and resisting. And now you see how the decision is made, not based on facts, but on an impression. It's like they're deciding what benefits them more instead of what's actually right. >> As for him, I'm okay with even though he was driving the car, I'm okay leaving the car here. >> He's He's got to go for obstruction and resisting. >> Easy. >> Um Cuz that's that's way too much. Trying to get him stopped and everything. >> Dale's in the neighborhood and somebody over and then fighting once he goes to cuffs. >> Okay, yeah. >> Uh >> Are we all in agreement with that? >> I I think that would I think you need to make that decision cuz I don't care. >> I was 77 I mean that What do you think? He might not see me. I don't know. >> Okay. >> What do you What do you want to do on that? >> I I'm okay >> I think we I mean I I don't think he did it maliciously, but he definitely did it. Um I don't know if we should I personally don't think we should take a 77-year-old man cuz it's his but it's up to you, dude. You did almost You would have got smoked by a vehicle if you didn't move. >> That's Yeah, that was Yeah, it was. >> He He gave me stop. I heard stop. >> So it's definitely up to you. >> No, I say we don't do anything. >> Uh so I mean we could always I mean you could always just sight and release him if you feel like doing that or we could just be like, "Hey, let bygones be bygones." >> Let's have Let's have a neutral deputy get make that decision. Once Cox gets here, we'll can we'll get >> Cuz that was ridiculous. >> That was very fun. >> He was giving it to the police department >> Yeah. >> Yeah, then then you and then going from there. I mean Once Once Cox >> And yeah, he >> You can't come up start cussing deputies in the middle of a DWI investigation. >> One of the officers even says it might not have been intentional and that he's an old man. While the other immediately pushes back with the claim that he almost ran over a colleague. So, you have a moment where someone tries to think rationally, but it quickly turns to the narrative [music] that justifies the arrest because once they choose a direction, it's super hard for them to go back. >> So, this is my supervisor right here. >> This is my supervisor. He's going up. >> Oh my god. >> All right, just a second, okay? What I'm going to do is I'm going to I'm going to convince with him or convene with him. I don't know that we're going to take your husband to jail, okay? We're going to I'm going to talk with him about that and we'll go from there, okay? You want to just hang out in your car, that'd be great. >> Look at the thing you're driving. I just got to stop at 40. >> Never got over like 40-ish. >> So, I ended up getting him out at gunpoint, so only take down style. >> He got out and I tased him and he >> The car comes over, but this vehicle [music] over there starts coming around the bend and immediately stopped him. >> I said, "Go and keep them back." Two of them went over there and uh the truck is elderly man, so to his credit, he may not have seen Howard. However, [music] he almost hit Howard. Howard's got his flashlight on. "Stop! Stop!" And then he Howard had to jump out of the way so he didn't get hit by the car. Um so of course, what everybody's "What are you doing? What are you just Get out of the car, dude." We go ahead and try to take him. He starts fighting, resisting. >> Howard was standing up probably at sale like this almost. >> Uh we're >> in front of it. >> A little bit in front of the satellite. And dude just kept pulling straight. I mean, just right at him. >> And he he Like I said, he jumped out of the side though. >> And uh Yeah. And we were immediately like, "Everybody get back! Get back! Go!" Whatever. And just scooped my guy and uh yeah. No, just in the way obstruction. Straight up just in that. So, he >> Was he fighting y'all or anything? >> He He did I mean, he did >> Besides the obstruction? >> If he wasn't 77, it >> While they analyze the situation, one admits that Dale probably didn't even see the officer, but despite that, [music] they still consider charges. And that's where it becomes absurd. Even when they admit there was no intent, they still want to charge him. >> hadn't he'd have been fighting. He was definitely resisting. He was passive. Um definitely passive. That's what we're discussing though. I mean We could take him, but to his credit, maybe he didn't see. Maybe he didn't Maybe he was just trying to pull out and make sure he wasn't hitting anybody. >> Directly in the driveway? >> Yeah, I was like standing right there. >> He was where the siren was. >> The car is and then you have to go over here and Yeah, I mean it's like 10 fled [music] car to He's in Howard You think he was trying to run you over? Probably freaked him out. Didn't he didn't know what to >> I'm sure that freaked him out. That's not an excuse to get away and try to That stops us from doing our job. >> I see that's happening. >> Technically, I mean if he wanted to push the resisting as a violent instrument crime uh he could. >> Man, I do want to say I'll I'll leave that up to you. You want to take If not, we can be like, "Hey, give him a warning >> for I say that you you can stop and release him. Is there any other way to classify this? >> Oh, he can't [ __ ] be >> He can stop and release him. You don't have to stop, you can just release him. >> The conversation continues and it's clear that even among them there's no agreement [music] on what actually happened, but they all tried to justify the reaction that's already been made. Once the action starts, ego doesn't allow admitting it went too far. They had a chance to apologize and leave, but that word didn't exist in their vocabulary. So, guess what they did next. >> 10-4, 1 Charlie 8 3 8 John comes back on a white Chevy Colorado. >> I think I think it's straight I think a citation for obstruction. Hey there. Hey, so I'm Deputy Klein, Sheriff's Office, okay? Um Man, I I'm going to explain to you this whole situation, okay? >> [music] >> Are you there? >> Well, I just came up here to My dog We were home watching TV. We've been out to the cowboy church riding a horse. >> Okay. >> So, we came home, we were in watching TV and all of a sudden the dogs started barking. >> Yeah. >> And Debbie looked out the window, and she said, "There are a lot of cars up there, there are a bunch of police cars up there." >> Yeah. >> And I came up to see what was going on. And then three policemen, I'm 76, it took three policemen, I guess, to constrain me. And they said I almost ran over a deputy. I didn't see a deputy until he said I was looking at the guy right here by the car where the lights are flashing. >> Okay. Okay. That makes sense. >> But I don't I don't care what I mean I don't I don't really mind. If y'all want to take me to jail, that's fine. Man, I don't care. >> In the end, a supervisor arrives and tries to calm the situation and talk to Dale. Where for the first time someone actually listens to his version. But the damage is already done because this same supervisor should have already taught his officers how to behave on duty. And he'll soon show his true colors as well. >> I don't care. >> So, this is what I'm going to do, okay? I'm going to tell you this. Um And I I believe that you're innocent. That's That's what we've all been discussing, that type thing. I don't think you were trying to run anybody over or anything like that, okay? >> Oh Lord God, man. No, I'm 70. You know, I don't remember having I ain't had a speeding ticket in 30 years. >> Yes, sir. Okay, so what I'm going to do, you're not going to jail, okay? You're in cuffs right now, I'm going to get you out of cuffs in just a little bit, okay? But I want you to understand the full situation, all right? Well, that's that's what we're going on, okay? Um I'm not I'm not going to charge you with resisting arrest. I can't do you like that, okay? I'm going to give you one ticket, okay? The reason I'm going to give you a citation is obstruction. Okay, obstruction is not a class A misdemeanor, it doesn't go on job applications, it doesn't go on nothing like that, okay? >> Well, what about what Let me tell Let me ask you this. What did I obstruct? >> It's a hindrance to my investigation for DUI, okay? Whatever. >> they just tell me what they were doing? >> We tried. >> Huh? >> That's what we tried to do. >> No, you didn't. >> We tried. >> You didn't do that. Nobody told me anything. They just said, "You almost ran over my deputy. You almost ran over my deputy. You almost ran over my deputy." >> Okay. >> And they grabbed me. >> The supervisor talks to Dale and clearly tells him he won't be going to jail, but that he'll get a citation for obstruction. So, we go from almost a cop killer to a minor offense that basically disappears on paper. A nice way to tone down the story once they realize it doesn't hold up. And the best part is that Dale immediately asks what exactly he obstructed, and that's where the whole story starts to fall apart. >> Okay. Well, I Now, you can look at the police. Haven't y'all got cameras? >> We did. We do. >> We'll look at them and see if that ain't what happened. >> Okay. All right. I'm going to take your word on that. Your wrist is bleeding a little bit, okay? Do you Are you sure you don't want an ambulance or anything? >> No, I don't want >> [laughter] >> Okay. Let me get this off for you just a little bit over here. Oh, I got it. Well, you got any kind of bloodborne illnesses? >> No. What I've got is 76 years of age. That's my skin's like paper. >> All right. I can't imagine, man. What do you Let me get this off. Over here you go. Got it? Here you go. There you go. Where's Leavins? >> Y'all got a paper towel? >> Yeah, I got some here. Just a second. Here you go. >> As they remove the handcuffs, you can see his hand is bleeding and his skin is literally torn. Well done, officers. I don't know how they managed to restrain this dangerous 77-year-old man. The officer tries to soften it with words and help him, but the damage is already there. And whatever they do now, they can't change the past. >> It's really been bad to have four or five police cars out here on campus. >> Well, we had a pursuit. That happens sometimes. One of them's a supervisor. >> Yeah, we had we thought it was about to get the old Hatfield-McCoy style. It's like the whole family was coming. Thought it had been second thing is you got to understand that I saw a car pull up, one person walking, another person walking off the side, and I was like, "Man, it's cuz people can people are crazy." A little bit of bias. Yeah. >> Next time somebody drives up on your property person on your property, stop, tell them what's going on with them. before they just give me the citation. >> And I see that. I I see why you say that, too. But on the other hand, I also just had somebody run from me. So, I I I see both sides to that. I get that. Yes, sir. Yeah. >> Dale sarcastically comments that it must have been serious if four patrol cars were there, while the officer tries to explain that they thought the whole family was coming and that the situation could escalate. So, now they're justifying themselves with assumptions that [music] didn't even happen. Just imagine how much better the world would be if officers didn't act based on stories they make up in their own heads. >> Yeah, and you and you may not have And I I like I said, I don't I don't doubt you at all. Yeah. Yeah, I don't doubt you at all. It's That's why I'm giving you a very minimalistic saying that So, I mean, if you go to court, say what's happening. >> [music] >> Likely what they'll do And this is what I've This is what I'm going to say. What they'll tell you the judge will be like, "Mr. Dale, you've had a really good life. You've never done anything crazy, robbed any banks. If you're good for a year, we'll drop everything, and it's all gone. It goes off your record and everything else. So, don't fret too much on it. You have any questions in regards to this piece of paper here? >> No, I don't have any questions about the paper. I think the [ __ ] that I'm not I don't have any questions. >> That's okay. That's okay. That's That's your opinion with it. Just appreciate the time for things to work out, okay? Appreciate it. Yes, sir. Um what I'm going to do, go ahead and get him moving. You all good? What's that? Nope, you're good. I I'll get on the way out. Y'all be safe, okay? Okay. Y'all be safe, okay? No, I'm I'm working on stuff right now. You just got to take it for obstruction. Have a good day, okay? Um See you on Facebook later. >> Oh. Oh, never fails. He was saying why don't you come over here and take a look cuz he he's he's talking about that he didn't see him, which I was like you may not have. I was like yeah. >> You you may not have seen him. That's why I'm not I'm not taking it from from anybody over I'll leave you alone. >> The charges against Dale were dropped [music] after he decided to fight them. While he filed a lawsuit against the police for unlawful arrest and excessive force. Instead of owning up to the mistake, the police department stood behind their officers, which pushed the case further toward court. And that brings us to the final case for today. Police start chasing a vehicle going nearly 90 mph, ignoring lights, ignoring sirens, and speeding past everything like nothing's happening. It all looks like a standard chase until they find out who's behind the wheel. And then the whole situation stops being about the law and becomes something much more personal. Can you take a wild guess who they were chasing? >> Put your hands OUT THE WINDOW NOW. KEEP YOUR HANDS UP. Hands up. Hey, you got commands? DRIVER, OPEN THE DOOR WITH YOUR LEFT HAND. STEP OUT OF THE CAR AND KEEP YOUR HANDS in the air. Turn around. Back up. Stop. Get down on your knees. Get down on your knees. >> Is there anybody else in the car? >> No. >> Dummy. >> The vehicle finally stops and the officers step out with their weapons and begin the standard procedure for a high-risk stop. Hands out, step out of the vehicle, get on your knees. Everything by the book. And here there's really no complaint because when someone runs for several minutes, this kind of approach is expected. But what's revealed in the next few seconds completely changes the tone. >> What is going on? >> You're under arrest, that's what's going on. >> For what? >> Fleeing and eluding. >> Fleeing and eluding? >> Yeah. >> When did that happen? >> Can you check him? >> Yeah. So, I was in the academy with him. He's my good deputy. >> Okay. >> Got it up. >> Well, he's under arrest today. >> Yep. >> To the motor town such. Can I have a Flagler County Sheriff's Office Watch Commander call myself? >> Okay. >> Hey, what's his name? >> R.D. Tolman. >> You may have to take him. Cuz it's they know each other. They were in the academy together. >> I know him very, very well. He's one of Actually, he's a good dude. Uh well, I don't know what this is all about, but this guy just I don't know what was going on. >> I'm good. >> I'm leaving? >> Yeah. Hey, I need to move car. I need to move him into Carl's car. He knows Lester personally. >> Carl, can you >> Yeah, um >> The driver steps out and it quickly becomes clear that he's a detective from Flagler County. And now watch the shift in energy. Just seconds ago, he was a dangerous fleeing suspect and now suddenly, >> [music] >> everyone knows who he is and the treatment starts to change. >> Yeah, um US1 of the Tomoka River Bridge or more like Airport One. >> Speeding in the US1. >> 88. 88. >> He just >> Lights and sirens. Whole way. >> Run red light or anything? >> No, but wouldn't stopping and then got into the right lane and just accelerated. He had his gun and all of his stuff with him. Never turned on lights or anything. >> Yeah. Hey. Hey. All right. Yeah. I don't know why he put me in that situation. >> Who is it? >> Yeah. So, he's gone today. >> He's got a badge? >> He's got um I don't know if he's like a detective or something, but he's got his gun, his ID. >> Who is it? >> I'm a detective major case. >> Call the chief. >> Um I'm already waiting on that. >> He saw me. And then he pulled right over. >> Well, he was doing 88 up US1. That's why I got him behind him. >> Yeah. >> So, I got him behind him at the airport. >> The officers start commenting among themselves how they know him, how they were together in the academy, and how he's a good guy. And now we get to the core of the problem because instead of talking about what he did, they're talking about who he is. As if personal connections carry more weight than the fact that he just ignored police at 90 mph. >> him behind him at airport one, lights and sirens. Yeah. Rolling, rolling, rolling, kept going. Still lights and sirens. Everyone else is moving off the road. He's still driving, switches to the outside lane, and then accelerates rapidly after I shut all my stuff down. I even keyed up with my sirens on. >> Yeah. >> And you could see all the dust coming up off the road and stuff. Yeah. >> If you knew he was going to like why didn't you just put the lights? I knew he was a cop. >> Something. >> I'm going to I'm going to pull over. >> still need to pull over. >> Yeah. >> You know, cuz you're obviously not going >> lights or anything. >> Nothing. >> I think the glare might have come up. >> There's no way What All the other cars were getting off the road except for him. He was just driving around him. Hey, good morning. This is Sergeant Brown. Um so, I've got one of your deputies who's under arrest this morning. Deputy Ardit Koma. Fleeing and eluding. So, he's with us. I've got all his credentials and his car is down here on US1. I asked for a watch commander, they give me a road corporal. >> I talked to the watch commander. >> One cop clearly says he'll still be arrested, but you can immediately feel the discomfort in his tone. It's not the same confidence as at the start. It's like they're all trying to balance between the law and their relationships. And just imagine if it had been a regular person instead of a detective, they would have been arrested, tased, and who knows what else. >> Okay. >> It It is. It really is. You know, and it wasn't even like it was a Oops, I didn't see you because all the other cars got off the road and he was driving around all of them. 88 mph. >> Did you talk to him yet? >> No. I ain't got nothing to say to him. He put me in this situation. >> No, I know. I just didn't know >> That's irritating. He didn't turn his lights on or nothing. >> All right. >> You know, I I could tell in your voice I was just getting my coffee and I'm like I have a feeling this this car for whatever reason is going to run and I started heading this way. I can't wish anything else in the universe other than like this kind of stuff. >> Like winning the lottery, you know. >> The black cloud stuff. >> Yeah, it's like all this stupid >> You always seem to be around at the wrong time. It's not a good trait. >> See, if you said they're sending fly with sending someone down. >> Yeah, they could probably They're going to send someone to get >> The officer explains the pursuit and everything that had happened. How they followed him and how all other drivers reacted except him. And that's the key point because [music] everyone else saw and heard the police, only this one didn't. And now we're supposed to believe that the only person who didn't notice just happens to carry a badge. But you can tell they wanted to believe that anyway. >> to send someone to get the car and then are you going to take him to your PD? >> Yeah. >> They'll probably send their IA to your PD that >> Okay. So, I mean All right, I'm starting to run with the Ormond Beach Police Department, okay? Read him his rights. >> I understand. >> With your rights in mind, are you willing to speak to me? Yeah. Okay. So, I'm heading south on US 1, you're heading north on US 1. >> Yeah. >> In the uh 800 block there and you're traveling 88 mph. So, I turn around and I'm going to conduct a traffic stop on you. >> Yes, sir. >> I get in behind you at Airport and US1 with my lights and sirens activated. >> All right. >> And you continue to drive. >> Yeah. >> All the other traffic on the roadway is yielding to me for my lights and sirens and you continue to drive in the northbound lane with my lights and sirens active. You merge to the outside lane and you continue to drive around all the other cars that are yielding to me. >> The detective tries to explain that he didn't see or hear the police because of the tinted windows and the road conditions. Now we get to an interesting part because this might sound like the kind of excuse any regular driver would give. The difference is that a regular driver would already be in handcuffs without much discussion. >> yielding to me and you're still failing to stop. So, I call out a fleeing vehicle. We set up stop sticks up here. >> Yeah. >> There was a malfunction. You drive around them. >> Yeah. >> And then you stop here. >> Yeah, I saw I saw I saw Sarge throwing the stop sticks and I I immediately pulled over. I had no idea what >> Why didn't you pull over the two or three miles when I have my lights on behind you? >> I actually I did not notice you at all. My windows are very tinted and it's very dewy in the morning. Um I swear to God. They're very dewy in the morning. I've been pulled over by you guys before. I've stopped. That's I have no reason to flee or at least uh I was did not My windows are super because it's a huge CV vehicle. It's super dark and tinted. I listen to music. >> That's There's no way that you didn't hear my siren or see all my lights. There's no way. All the other public out here on the roadway >> clearly says he'll be arrested for fleeing. But right after that, they start commenting among themselves that they don't like arresting other officers. It was really dumb to say that on camera because why was this detective, who by the way looked high, treated as better than a regular citizen. >> on the roadway, saw and heard me, and yielded to me, and you drove around all of them. When I finally turned my lights off, because I'm not going to proceed, you accelerated even more. Okay? >> I apologize. >> That's it? >> Yeah, I apologize. >> Okay, well, you're under arrest today for fleeing and eluding, okay? >> Yep. >> We had some guys up here on the north end with sticks, drove around the sticks and then stopped. Uh got him out at gunpoint, and it's a Flagler County major case detective. But, he didn't see or hear me. It's It's not an excuse. Well, I knew something was up when I'm right behind and I give out the tag, and they said there's no record found. But, he never turned lights on, he never yielded, he never did anything. >> Bro, so you're okay? >> Yeah, it's >> Yeah, I know, but it sucks. >> It's irritating, yeah. I don't arrest other cops, but >> I mean, yeah. >> I'm just I'm just going to >> You have off today, like It's hard for me not to put myself in this situation, obviously for obvious reasons. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Because that's what I'm off, but are you off? But, for me, it's what it is, you know? >> I'm just going to hang out here to see who comes. >> You want me to hang out with you then? >> Yeah, because I've got like all of his credentials and gun and stuff like that. Hush. There's no way. >> The officers stand aside and talk about the situation, trying to figure out what was actually going on in his head. And if it looks like they're searching for an excuse, that's because they were. Another officer arrives, takes over communication, and gets an explanation of what happened, including the speed, ignoring the lights, and the way he was driving. >> All right, he was just like cuz yeah, at the end he said, "I'm sorry." >> Yeah, he says that he didn't see or hear me. I mean, I He really doesn't have anything I really didn't have any questions for him. >> Yeah. >> Because I mean, it was just so cut and dry. >> What was going on in his head? >> I don't know. >> I was going to get another pin, man. Like think about it. That's like the ultimate feeling of disappointment when you miss a stick hit, and especially when like you're in the prime position, you got plenty of time, and then you still miss, and you're just like >> God, this sucks. >> I know. It's just not like one of them where you're like, "Oh, okay." >> No, dude. I mean, like at the end of the day, like if anybody is certain about something with this, it's you. >> I don't I have no doubt. >> It just sucks. >> What are your thoughts on him being a cop? Like what the >> I don't know. As soon as I saw him step out of the car, I'm like >> Like did he think did he think it was like one of his buddies? Cuz they drive >> He says he's been pulled over by Ormond before. >> Well, that's what I was saying, babe. Did he think did he think his their supervisor was out east? So like did he think it was like one of the boys on his way to work? But >> Uh look at his [ __ ] oh, [ __ ] with me, you know? And then all of a sudden he sees my fat ass. >> In the end, you can see the communication between departments stays calm and without tension, even with apologies and understanding. Tyrants will always stand with tyrants. It's simple. We don't live in their world. Officers are there to enforce the law, and anyone who breaks it, they're supposed to arrest, period. >> my fat ass while I was watching He like, "Oh, [ __ ] you know?" >> [laughter] >> He's like, "I saw the sign there with sticks." >> Yeah. He said, "That's when I stopped." >> I thought like it was a mess, dude. I'm like, "Oh, shit." And my [ __ ] shoes in the middle of my my gym shoes in the middle of the [ __ ] highway. >> Hey, LeBron. >> [ __ ] that big gorilla is. >> All right. Hey, good morning, sir. Hey, LeBron. >> More strokes. >> Nice to meet you. >> All right. >> So, you want to run down to what happened or do you just want to take take the stuff? Okay, I figured you guys were going to come to the PD. So, just real quick, he was going 88 up US1. I get him behind him at Airport and 1 with my lights and sirens on this vehicle like almost rear-ending him. All the other traffic was merging out of the way and he was driving around them. My patrol sergeant here puts stop sticks out on the road. He drove >> This whole encounter was so absurd. If you remember the previous two cases and how the officers treated innocent people and how far that went, here they were protecting a criminal who could have hurt someone at that speed. Some things really only make sense in the minds of officers. >> sticks out on the road. He drove around them and then stopped here. He said he never heard or saw anything. And it's it's 1.9 miles from where I laid him up to here. >> Is he at the PD? There at the PD? >> Yeah, he's been transported to our PD. I've got his He had his sidearm and some magazines with him and and his ID. I've got his wallet and his phone and that'll go up with him to the jail. Okay. >> Can I bring you his gun and his ID? >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you for this. >> Yes, sir. >> Sorry you guys have to go through this. >> Yeah, it sucks. >> Yeah. >> Sorry. >> Hey, you did your job. >> I think they're still on the roof. >> In the end, the detective was charged with fleeing, but the charges were quickly dropped while internally he only received a short suspension and limits on using a department vehicle. And that brings us to the conclusion of the whole story because when a regular citizen runs from the police, the consequences are much more serious. But here, the system clearly protects its own. If you thought today's cases were disturbing, you're not ready for what's coming next. The next video dives even deeper into moments that push the line even further. Stories that might genuinely change how you see everything. So don't go anywhere because what's ahead only gets more intense from here. See you in the next one.