Can you take the light from my >> I'm pulling you over. >> Uhhuh. >> Cuz I'm doing an immigration inspection. >> Oh, you're doing an immigration? >> Yes, sir. Are you okay? Are Are you Are you under? >> Are you high? >> Questions? >> No, I don't answer questions. >> Okay, we're going to have to wait for a K9 cuz you went around the checkpoint. There was no little There was no traffic through there. >> Right. Right. >> Usually any when there's >> no a lot of traffic go through that. >> Yes. You came out here yelling at me? >> Of course I did. But you're so >> You admitted that you came out here yelling at >> I'm not yelling. You admit that you pulled us both out of the car for no reason. >> No reason. And >> today we're talking about how rookie cop's first day on the job ended in a total disaster, but not in the way you might think. Instead of serving and protecting, these officers choices turned to chaos, leaving citizens shocked and questioning how much power a badge should really give. Let's get started. >> Everything you're saying is not illegal, right? >> I'm saying not illegal. >> All right. So why are you putting me away? >> And you you went around the checkpoint, >> right? So why do immigration inspection? I didn't want to go through. >> The police stopped a man in the middle of the night. Now you know how officers usually walk up to a driver's door and the driver rolls down the window to talk, right? Well, let's just say these cops got it wrong from the very beginning. Maybe because they were rookie cops on their first day, or maybe because they had been trained to always have it their way. Whatever the reason, things were about to get a whole lot worse. >> Come through this side. >> It doesn't roll down. Doesn't work. >> It doesn't work. >> Open the door. >> Come through this side, man. Open the door. >> Come through this side. >> Window. >> Come through this side. I run off window. >> Come through this side. >> How's my man? >> Hey, what's happening? Hey, where are you? >> Anybody else with you today? >> Who are you, man? >> He's agent Ramos with the border patrol. I'm stopping you cuz you The cops introduced themselves as border patrol and claimed they stopped him because he had bypassed a checkpoint. Here was the irony. They admitted that this was not a crime. So, they admitted there was no real basis. Yet, they kept him anyway. If you still didn't believe this looked like an abuse of power, remember that the law required reasonable suspicion, not just a vague feeling because you didn't like someone. >> Around the checkpoint. >> I'm what? >> You went around the checkpoint. You can see the checkpoint on 35. >> So, um, why'd you pull me over? >> I'm doing an immigration inspection. >> Okay. Um, did I cross the border or what? >> There's a checkpoint on 35. >> I didn't go through the checkpoint. >> I'm sorry. >> I didn't go through the checkpoint. >> I know you went around the checkpoint on West Texas. So, >> can you check the light from my >> I'm pulling you over. >> Uh-huh. >> Cuz I'm doing an immigration inspection. >> Oh, you're doing an immigration inspection? >> Yes, sir. Are you okay? Are are you are you under >> are you high? >> Are you starting your speech? >> Am I? >> Yeah. >> You're kind of hesitant on answering my question. >> Answer your question. I'm asking you I'm answering your question. >> Can you take the life from my >> Are you okay? >> Are you okay? >> You need me to call ambulance for you or anything like that? >> Do you need an ambulance? >> No, sir. I'm fine. >> Uh you have backup or no? >> Don't worry about that. I'm asking you. I'm doing an >> This cop started asking the driver if he was on drugs or even if he needed medical help. Seriously, the man answered clearly. Yet, the officer treated him like a drunk. To me, this sounded more like intimidation than real concern. When they had no legal reason, they tried to create one by pretending the person looked suspicious. And their questions were only getting stranger. >> You want me to call 911? >> An immigration inspection. I need to do a citation service. >> Are you drunk? >> No, I'm not. Are you okay? You're starting your speech right now. >> Is your body cam on or? >> Of course it is. >> It doesn't look nuke on. >> It doesn't. It's on right now. Don't worry about that. I know you're recording, too. It's okay. >> Okay. So, >> I'm doing immigration inspection. Anybody else with you tonight? >> You pulled me over, right? >> Yeah. >> Right. Um, you know what? You need to pull me over. >> Uh, probable cost. >> Proble? Yeah. I think you're you're a rookie. >> No, sir. Don't worry about how long I've been in. >> Yeah. >> Are you okay? >> Yeah. You need a lower standard from you. You need a lower standard from Pro because you need reasonable suspicion. >> Okay, that's fine. That's up to you. We know that. But >> it's up to me. >> That's fine. That everyone has their opinion. >> It's up to me. >> No, I'm saying I'm saying it's fine with you anyway. >> It's up to the Are you reasonable suspicions? >> The talk kept circling around reasonable suspicion. The driver calmly explained that a stop needed a legal reason, and the cop admitted that going around the checkpoint was not against the law. Yet, he still gave that as his excuse. If you thought this was normal, ask yourself, wasn't the whole legal system built on a clear line between legal and illegal? How did this cop even get the job? >> You have reasonable suspicion to pull me over? >> Of course I do. You went around the checkpoint. >> That's illegal. >> No, what I'm saying is I got to do an immigration inspection. I didn't want to go northbound >> at the store. >> Okay. >> What was that reason for? >> Okay. So, I can't stop at the store. >> Yeah, but you you didn't you didn't get down here. >> Everything you're saying is not illegal, right? >> I'm saying it's not illegal. >> All right. So, why are you pulling me over? >> And you you went around the checkpoint, >> right? So, why do immigration inspection? I didn't want to go through the checkpoint. You know, you're a citizen. >> You need reasonable suspicion to pull me over. >> I just did right now. I just told you you my reasonable suspicion. Are you okay? >> Is that illegal? I told you no, but I didn't do an immigration inspection. >> So, nothing I've done is illegal, but you couldn't. >> Sorry. >> Nothing I've done is illegal, but you're still saying it's illegal, but I'm saying you went around the checkpoint. So, I need to Is that illegal? >> Did you say >> the driver asked to speak with a supervisor and the cop promised to call one? Honestly, it was the only right thing he did that night. And here was the absurd part. If they had admitted the stop had no basis, why were they still pretending to follow the law? If you still didn't believe it, just look. Everything came down to authority, not the law. >> Is that illegal? >> United States Border Patrol. >> Is going around the checkpoint illegal? >> I already told you no. >> Okay, then what are we doing here? >> Are you Are you hearing my answer? >> What are we doing here? >> Are you hearing my answer? >> What are we doing here? >> We're looking over cuz you went around the checkpoint. >> You have a supervisor. >> Of course. >> Okay. Do >> you have an ID on you? What's your name? >> You have a supervisor? >> Yeah, I'll call him right now. >> All right. All right. >> Thank you. >> We'll wait for him. >> Okay. [Music] Then Supervisor Garcia showed up. Instead of fixing the situation, he brought a whole new tactic, calling the K-9 unit. In other words, we have no reason, so let's bring a dog and hope it smells something. If that didn't look like fishing instead of an investigation, I didn't know what did. No wonder the cops under his command acted the way they did. Oh yeah. Good evening, sir. Supervisor Lucas. >> The supervisor tried to justify reasonable suspicion by citing the case Terry versus Ohio. But even that ruling required clear signs of a crime. And here the only evidence was that the driver chose a different route. If you didn't see how weak that was, ask yourself, should you be stopped every time you turn onto a side street? >> Where you from, sir? >> I don't answer questions. >> You don't have to answer any questions? >> No, I don't answer questions. >> Okay, we're going to have to wait for a canine cuz you went around the checkpoint. There was no there was no traffic through there, right? >> Usually any when there's no a lot of traffic, they go through that road. >> Okay. >> And they that road they use it to circumvent the checkpoint >> to circumvent >> circumvent to go through to go around to avoid detection or an immigration inspection. >> Right. Right. Right now, we're going to have our K9 come in and do a a throw check. Is there anybody in the vehicle? >> You have reasonable suspicion? >> Yes. Under Terry versus Ohio, United States, >> the agent has real suspicion because you you're going around the checkpoint, sir. >> So, that's enough reasonable suspicion. >> Yes, sir. >> Going around the checkpoint. >> You're going around the checkpoint. It's a highly trafficked. >> So, that's illegal. >> I'm not here to argue. I You >> Is that illegal? >> It's not illegal, but reasonable suspicion for for stopping you for an >> Okay. Reasonable suspicion of what? because of immigration. >> Immigration wanted to talk to us. >> The driver kept insisting he had done nothing illegal. The cops repeated the phrase, "You bypassed the checkpoint like parrots, but never linked it to any real violation." To me, this sounded like plain harassment. In a country where justice was supposed to rest on laws, here we saw the law twisted into circular logic. We stopped you because we stopped you, >> supervisor, right? You believe I'm not a US citizen or >> I I don't believe you're going to allow us to check in the back, but I don't know if there's anybody in the back. >> The agents can't see in the back. >> Okay. So, you suspect? >> Yes. >> You suspect I have somebody in the back. >> The agent has reasonable suspicion to stop you, >> right? So, you suspect you suspect I'm not a US citizen. >> You already told me you're a US citizen. >> All right. You suspect I have somebody in the back. >> I don't suspect there is somebody, but I think he has reasonable suspicion because you're going around the checkpoint. Is that illegal? >> Why didn't you go through a checkpoint? >> Is that illegal? >> It's not illegal, sir. >> Okay. >> It's not illegal, but you He has real suspicion to stop you because there was no traffic through the >> Reasonable suspicion means you believe I committed some sort of illegal activity. >> No, there's no probable cause is when you have when you have >> probable cause is a higher standard than reasonable suspicion. Reasonable suspicion still means >> the driver reminded them of the case Rodriguez versus United States where the Supreme Court clearly said a stop could not be extended without cause, but the cops ignored him. If you still thought this was legitimate, read that case. The court was crystal clear. What we saw here was a law in action, but cops testing how far they could go before someone sued them. >> That you must suspect I committed some sort of crime of immigration. >> Are you lawyers here or do you work for law enforcement? I'm very competent in the law. I am very competent in the law. >> Okay. So, is is there a complaint from you? They call the supervisor, >> right? Cuz I'm being I'm being detained. I'm being detained without reasonable suspicion. >> You're You're not the >> You haven't articulated reasonable suspicion. The The officer The agent articulated >> The agent has not articulated any sort of reasonable suspicion. >> I already told you. You went around the checker one. There's no traffic. >> That's not illegal. >> It's a highly It's a highly trafficked area. >> That's not legal. >> Tractor trailers, vehicles. That's not illegal. >> It's not illegal. >> How does that, >> sir? Let me talk. >> How does that tie? >> You want to talk to supervisor? Let me talk to supervisor. >> How does that tie me to some sort of crime? >> Me person there ties you up to a possible smuggling scheme. >> Okay. There's previous cases through there in the last >> The t kept going back to reasonable suspicion. The cops tried to link the driver to pass smuggling cases, but that was just collective guilt because someone once used that road. He was now a suspect. Imagine being stopped just because someone with the same car color had broken the law before. It sounded extreme, but that was exactly what these cops were doing. In >> the last week, we've gotten 10 to 18 cases through there. >> Okay. >> They they use that they use that road a lot. >> What do I have to do with any of them? >> We need to check every vehicle, >> right? Every vehicle it goes around the checkpoint. We check in especially that there was no traffic going through the checkpoint and you went around. >> Okay. >> So you believe I I'm part of some sort of scheme or >> that's what we're here to investigate. >> So you don't believe any of that but you're still detaining me? >> I'm detaining you for to he's detaining you for an immigration inspection to conduct a further investigation >> because you went around the checkpoint. >> That's there was no traffic. >> That's his reasonable suspicion there. >> All right. The reasonable suspicion it you need some sort of >> Sir, I'm not going to argue here with you, >> right? I mean, >> okay, we're going to wait for the K9. You're not going to allow us to check. >> I'm still being detained, right? >> You are. >> Okay. Even though there's Are those lights still answer? >> The driver explained the difference between probable cause and reasonable suspicion, but the cop insulted him, calling him stupid. When the state power turned to insults instead of arguments, it showed weakness. To me, this looked more like a school bully than a law officer, or even worse, like someone who had been bullied before and now needed to prove he was the one in charge. >> Even though Rodriguez turn >> Even though US versus Rodriguez says you cannot detain me beyond the scope beyond the scope of your detainment of your right now for the because of investigative stop. >> Terry versus Ohio court case, Supreme Court case. You're competent, right? >> Ter What's Terry versus Ohio? This is so high. You know, you know what is it? You know what you need? >> What is it? >> You know what you need? >> A crime. You need a crime. You need to believe that I >> You need I agent. >> I'm not going to argue with you. Okay. I'm not going to argue with you >> because you're stupid. You see what you're dumb. You're dumb. You're stupid. Okay. Terry versus >> Yes. Terry versus Ohio requires I'm talking to you. >> Requires you to believe that I committed some sort of a crime. >> Okay. Well, we're going to wait for the I don't want to talk to you anymore. Okay. >> You don't? >> No. >> So, you're still being detained? You're being detained. >> You're too. >> Yes. >> You still have me detained. >> We need to check inside the vehicle if there's any anything illegal in there. >> You suspect You suspect I have >> I didn't make the stop, sir. >> All right. Where's your agent made the stop? >> Where's your agent? >> He already spoke. >> The funniest part was that these cops didn't hate the man for arguing with them, but for knowing his rights. When someone knew their rights, it made it harder for cops to stay in control, and that hurt their ego. That was the real problem. And because of that, watch what the supervisor did next. It would shock you. >> You wanted to talk to supervisor. >> Your agent didn't suspect I have narcotics. Didn't suspect I have bodies. >> Did you explain to him? >> I said he went around the checkpoint and I did immigration inspection. I asked him, "Is there anybody in a vehicle?" He didn't want to answer any questions. >> Right. >> Why didn't you go through the checkpoint? >> Do I have to go through the checkpoint? >> Yes, you do. >> Oh, really? >> Yes. >> So, going going through the access road is >> I'm not going to talk to you because you you believe everything that I say is stupid. So, I'm not going to talk to you. >> No, cuz you're >> You said you wanted to talk to a uh intelligent person, right? >> Did I say that? >> No, you're being an with me. I'm trying to love you. >> I'm trying I'm not >> You're being with me. You're detaining me without reasonable suspicion. >> I'm not detaining. >> You don't even know what Terry versus Ohio is, man. >> Okay. Did you go to school? Did you go to immigration law school? Did you go to Border Patrol Academy? >> What? 5 months, 6 months. The supervisor intruded. The supervisor introduced himself as the final authority, saying there was no one above him. The irony, every institution had a chain of command and a way to appeal. When an officer claimed he had the highest authority, that was the most dangerous thing he could say. I mean, what would happen if a regular citizen had no one to appeal to? That wasn't protection. It was smallcale tyranny. >> That makes you competent in the law now. >> 6 months training. >> Yeah, we'll call DPS. He doesn't want to identify himself. >> You have a supervisor. >> I'm the supervisor. >> You have a supervisor. >> What do you mean a supervisor? >> You have a supervisor? >> I'm the supervisor. You see this in the color? This is being a is a >> You have a supervisor? >> You don't have to talk to anybody above me. I'm the supervisor in the field, sir. >> You have I'm asking if you have a supervisor. I'm not I'm not DPS. You don't have >> I'm not I'm not requesting a super your supervisor. I'm just asking you have a supervisor. I am the supervisor. >> Do you have a supervisor? I'm not asking for supervisor. >> I don't have a supervisor above me right now. >> You don't? >> No, I'm the one in charge. >> So, you don't report. You don't report to any >> in charge of this area, sir. >> I'm not asking right at this moment. I'm just asking if you have >> You want to do a formal complaint? >> What is the name of your supervisor? >> The cops called the state patrol and decided to hold the driver until the dog arrived. Again, not a single piece of evidence was a crime. And know this wasn't normal procedure. Extended detention without reason was illegal. Is it just me or are we watching the law being bent only to cover someone's stubbornness? And the wait was about to get darker. >> My name is supervisor uh J man. >> J man. And what is he watcher? >> He's a watch commander. >> Watch commander. >> Yes sir. >> Okay. That's his rank. >> Yes sir. >> And your rank? >> Supervisor patrol. >> R. What? What's your R stand for? >> R Garcia. Raul Garcia. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. >> We'll just wait for DPS and do a canine search and you're good to go. Okay. >> So, you're waiting You're waiting for DPS to >> Oh, you need to know if you're wanted or anything like that? >> Oh, you need to know that, too? So, you suspect I'm wanted? >> I don't suspect that I'm wanted, but that's that's procedure that we have to do. >> So, you don't suspect I committed a crime? You don't suspect I have narcotics? You don't suspect I have bodies? You don't suspect I have warrants? You still detaining me? >> Not my cop. It's not my stop. >> You're the supervisor. I'm here to talk to you if you have a complaint. >> You're the supervisor. >> I'm not here to to argue with the agent why he stopped you or ask him why. >> So even though you now you know that the agent doesn't have reasonable suspicion, you're still >> Have you Have you seen talk to him? Let me go talk to him. >> All right. >> Any weapons in the vehicle, sir? >> I don't answer questions, man. >> Okay. Right now. >> Right now, we need Right now, safety's priority for us. >> Right. My safety is is more important than you. >> Okay. >> Yeah. My safety. >> There's no weapons in there. >> My safety is important, right? >> The driver was asked about weapons in the car, but he refused to answer because he knew his rights. The cops insisted their safety was the priority. The irony, a citizen's rights were supposed to matter just as much. The scene turned grotesque as the cops kept repeating the same lines while holding him. It was like an endless loop. No cause, no authority. inside. [Music] Heat. [Music] Hey, let down. While they waited, the whole scene turned almost absurd. The so-called supervisor went over to the rookie cop whose first day on the job ended in total disaster. But let's be real, they just needed an excuse to huddle and agree on the next move. In their case, two minds were stronger than one. Finally, the K-9 unit arrived. Honestly, if it weren't so sad, it might have been funny how sure the cops were that they stood above the lawn and could do whatever they wanted. If they put this much effort into chasing real criminals, imagine where they'd be. What do you think? Would they find anything suspicious in his car? Write in the comments. The supervisor tried to justify himself by talking about drugs or smuggling on that route, but that was just pure generalization. If you still believe those excuses, remember this. The legal system didn't punish people for being similar to criminals, only for clear evidence. Anything else was profiling and discrimination. Still, he had a few more excuses up his sleeve. >> We're good to go. Dress safely. Okay. If you need anything from us, give us a call. Okay. >> Right. So, you determine what >> you're good to go. We only needed a K9 sniff. You're good to go. Um, I understand you don't want us to let it We're doing it more for safety, sir. >> Right. >> We don't know what we we you know how you don't know what you encounter in this field. I >> I understand. I I understand uh what you're trying to do, but I mean that's >> you need to think think in the you can think in the situation that we are at right now. Like there's a lot of there's a lot of uh smuggling attempts that go through that road. I >> I understand. >> I don't know if you know about that road. >> No, no, no. Of course, I understand. >> It's notorious for human narcotics smuggling u pursuits that lead to accidents and stuff like that. I >> I understand that. >> Doing your job, >> right? The driver explained he understood the risks and the importance of fighting crime, but reminded them that this was still a country of laws. The cop nodded. Yet, it was clear law wasn't his focus. Authority was. He could pretend all he wanted now, but nothing, absolutely nothing, could erase what he had shown that night. And as we saw, he hadn't shown anything good. >> And I completely understand. But that doesn't mean that everyone is. >> No, I understand. I understand not everybody, but there there is some bad people, >> right, >> that ruin it for >> I understand I understand and I'm I'm >> I don't believe I'm I'm a bad person by exercising my rights. >> I understand I understand you're you're trying to make >> if you want to feel at ease now that I'm released. I can open the trunk for you if that's good for you. If if you want us to look inside, >> I mean, >> I understand you're you're you're you are expressing your right and you're trying to make a point, but you need to understand that we we are also trying to protect this country. >> I understand. No, I I >> know what could be going through there. >> Terrorists uh a kid >> and I completely understand. I completely understand. But >> um this is a country of laws. >> Yeah. >> Right. And not only we supposed to follow laws, you as a law enforcement officer >> enforcing law, >> right? You but you >> In the end, the cops tried to soften the scene, saying it was all for safety. But safety could never excuse trampling on rights. Congratulations. They showed just how foolish cops could be. And if you thought they were the only ones full of themselves, wait until you hear about the cops who violated citizens rights in front of children. Speaking of times when a rookie cop's first day on the job ended in total disaster, this time we had fresh cops who stopped a family. The whole case began with the cops ordering the passengers to stand in front of their car and banning them from using their phones right away. It was clear they wanted full control even though there was no sign of danger. And if you wondered why they were stopped, well, it didn't matter. Soon the cops would go so far that nothing else would. Can't believe this is like this. >> Not being able to follow instructions. >> We We followed all the instructions. >> Okay. >> Yes. Affirmative. >> Zane, >> call my mom. >> No, ma'am. Listen to me. We're not making any phone calls on my traffic stop. Okay, >> you can record and you can stand here and listen, but if you make a phone call, then you won't have access to your phones, okay? The cop admitted he pulled the passengers out of the car for no reason and openly said, "I don't need a reason to search the car." If that didn't shock you, remember the Fourth Amendment clearly required probable cause or a warrant for a search. When an officer said he needed no reason, it showed either ignorance of the law or a clear abuse of power. Either way, it was bad. >> And seeing how I officiate you are, I'm concerned about that. >> Am I right? >> Yes. You came out here yelling at me. Of course I did. >> So you've admitted that you came out here yelling and I >> I'm not yelling. >> Do you admit that you pulled us both out of the car for no reason? >> No reason. And you're trying to search my car for no reason. >> I don't even need a reason. >> You do. >> You don't need a reason. How do you not need a reason to pull somebody out of a car? >> Okay, that's not to point out a car, but the search in the car, >> I I have the right to refuse search and seize. You don't have and that's what I've done. But you don't get to sit here and extend the stop because you want to wait for a canine to come out. That's insane. >> At this point in time, I have enough to extend the stop. >> Can you explain what it is? Explain that because you don't have it. >> I do have it in my confident in it. Right. Yeah. >> Yeah. I've been doing this job for a very very long time. Okay. >> The drivers asked for an explanation and the cop told them to go to law school if they wanted answers. That was classic humiliation. Instead of clearly explaining the reason for the stop, he played the authority card. This kind of attitude destroys trust in institutions. If an ordinary citizen couldn't rely on the law, but had to become a lawyer, then the law no longer existed equally for everyone. >> I want to learn. I know what I'm doing. Okay. >> I want to learn. >> Okay. Well, go to law school or go to school. >> No, darling. You tell me. What law are you enforcing? What do you suspect me of doing? >> Let it go. Y'all sound like you already know how to do our stuff better than we go. >> What it sound like? >> Oh god. >> Couple lawyers. >> Oh my god. >> Just because we have questions and disagreements that makes us a problem. >> I didn't say problem. I said lawyers. >> Okay. So So you're you're negative. It's it's something. It's an issue. >> I'll I'll you'll print out the Supreme Court case law. >> I know what it is. It's probably the Mims or the You know, Pennsylvania. >> Exactly. I know. where they can rip people out of the car for officer safety. I'm well aware. >> But what what about our family outings seemed unsafe? >> We're on a family outing. What am I doing that says officer? >> You have a brake light out. So stop. >> I just don't. >> The passengers quoted the Supreme Court in cases like Pennsylvania versus Mims, but the cop twisted it and used it as an excuse. Instead of admitting it was just a family outing with no risk, he invented danger where none existed. The irony was that citizens had to teach cops about their own rights. I mean, weren't they supposed to be the law enforcement? >> Understand what's so dangerous about a family? Like >> I don't know. >> All right, we're going to get into >> Yeah, I guess that's the way to go. I just And I don't even have a problem with the dog. It's just seems unnecessary. I just don't understand what went so wrong from a tag light. >> There's nothing in the >> I I mean, we're not fighting you about the dog. I don't care about that part. I just don't understand why it came to that. >> Why a tag light out? >> But I if I was in if I was in y'all's shoes, >> right, and I got pulled out of a car and I knew I didn't have anything in my car and a cop wanted to have a K9 come sniff my car, I would just shut up. And that way when the K9 gets here and sniffs my car and doesn't alert, I get to be like, "Told you so. >> Where's the line? Where's the line? >> Yeah. Why is >> where where do you where do we get to say no? Like where do we get to say that >> say no to a free air? >> That's why and you get to just pick anybody that's that's good enough for >> an officer has sufficient reasonable suspicion. Well, don't ask me what that is. Yeah, she doesn't have to though. She doesn't have No, you don't. >> I promise you have to have >> Are you the one wearing a badge? >> But are you suspecting committing a crime? >> She doesn't have to tell you that. >> Yes, you do. You have to explain those things to me, right? No, I don't. Cuz if I wanted if I wanted to allow anything of it, if anything comes of it, >> wouldn't you tell me what your suspicion is so I can say, "Okay, >> my suspicion is surgery comes from it." Then >> one of the passengers asked where the line was and when did they even have the right to say no. The copy answered that he owed them nothing and would explain it to a lawyer in court. The practice showed just how far justice was from the street. If rights only existed inside a courtroom, what happened in the meantime? And more importantly, what exactly were these cops here for? >> We can explain it to your lawyer in court. >> Okay. Yeah, that's what we're going to have to do. You're right. Most definitely. >> That's where we're at. >> Thank you, man. >> You're welcome. Thank you. >> Glad you know. >> Are you not recording? >> I am. I definitely am. >> I for sure am. >> I just need to call my mom to come get the kids. I don't want them to sit here for those. >> I just don't know what else to do. Like I don't want to get in more trouble trying to bring people over here. I really don't I really don't want detain. >> I'm just saying she said that if we bring people then it's going to be a problem and I don't want it >> out here like criminals with two cars pulled behind us. You know, >> hear me out. So like if you were to get your phone and say I'm calling mom, we don't know you from anything else. We don't know who you are. >> Okay. Imagine Imag cuz this is a situation that's happened before where someone's like, "Hey, I'm not, you know, I'm going to call call my my parents going to get my car or yada." >> What if I wanted to call my lawyer? >> Call yada yada. I don't care if you do that, but you're not getting your phone right now. I should have brought it out of the car. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. If I want to call >> then you call somebody, right? Say you like you call your friend right around the corner with a gun, right? It becomes an officer safety issue. So that's why she's saying it becomes an officer. >> You guys, why are >> I'm just articulating. >> I know, but why are we treating everybody like they're a suspect? >> We look like people that have I don't know. We're not singling y'all out. We're first talking. >> The family decided to call the mother to pick up the kids, but the cops blocked them, using officer safety as the excuse. How absurd was it to treat children as a threat? They were so desperate for authority that they even enjoyed wasting the time of an innocent child who had nothing to do with the situation. >> Sure. >> I'm sorry. I'm frustrated. I apologize. 259 The 27 came back to the same name. Same name, same address. >> And I thought that registration was in there. We got to get that up front. Darling, I think it's in your dad's little folder. >> Yeah, in the trunk. >> Yeah, I guess I left it in the thing. I'm sorry. I didn't know it wasn't in the glove box. >> Not a big deal, babe. Huh? She said you can look up the registration anyway. The important part was my license and my um >> be careful though with highway patrol and stuff like that cuz they, you know, they're known for issuing citations like we do. I don't get that. >> The cops gave tips on how to keep documents on a phone while the family still waited for the canine. It was pure hypocrisy. On one hand, they acted friendly, but on the other, the kids sat by the car while being treated like criminals. In this paradox, the manipulation was clear. And if you thought it couldn't get worse, just wait. It would. >> I don't think it's stupid like or anything. Um, unless it's like stupid, but per state law, you are required to have proof for registration. Although, we can look it up. Just be careful. It's safe to have it in the car in case. >> I promise it's in there. Unless you just live I I have a Manila envelope. >> You don't even have You don't even have to have it in your purse. just have gave us a picture of it keeping your camera roll. >> Okay. >> That is a good point. I can do that. >> I tell people to do that with like their insurance card like create a folder in like your camera roll or something or like on your files app on your phone is current registration insurance. The only thing you got to have on your purse is your license. >> And then if she's driving the car, she needs to have a copy of it as well. So that way if you pull her when you're not with her, she has access. We don't have any way of proving insurance. And if we can't prevent insurance, we're supposed to kill the vehicle because it's a liability on our end. If we stop you, we don't have insurance on our >> That's a good point. She She is covered. But yeah. Yeah, that is a good point. I can send it to her. >> Do you know how much longer this is going to be? I'm not sure. >> I don't think they'd tell us even if they did. Wish I would have brought my stupid bait outside. This is stupid. The parents desperately pointed out that the kids had to sit through the whole circus even while the dog circled the car. Could anyone really justify a child's trauma as police procedure? And years from now, some new cops would wonder why this boy hated the police. Who would tell them why? It's just so so now my kids have to be in there when the dog goes around that too. Like so now my daughter and has to be there. This is so ridiculous. >> Yeah, it's hard not to be upset when we have kids trying to argue about it. I don't care about the process. It's just now my daughter's got to be privy to it, too. >> Whether they find anything or not, which they won't, but I'm just saying like I just don't get it. I don't know. >> I just want him to hurry up, >> man. I hope he's close. >> Oh my gosh, man. >> Don't you think? >> The driver asked a fair question. What if the canine damaged the car? The cops quickly washed their hands of it, saying to ask the dog handlers. So, state officers used the dog, but pushed the responsibility onto someone else. This was the classic bureaucratic spiral where no one was accountable. Of course, they were only there for situations that suited them, nothing else. I have a question for you. >> Yeah. What's up? >> What happens in a situation where we go through this and the K9 comes out and say the K9 damages my car when he's sniffing it? >> That's a good question. >> What happens to that? Yeah, we actually tell y'all to bring questions related to K9 stuff to the K9 handlers cuz they don't train us on >> cuz I've had this happen in the past and the K9 like jumped up and he actually messed up the door handle on my car and I didn't I mean it's still messed up now. >> They didn't find anything. >> Yeah, they didn't find anything now. This always happens. >> That's not That's not why I brought it up. That's not why I brought it up. >> I know. It's frustrating. It feels >> we can we can [ __ ] about it later. >> Well, I'll tell you this. Targeting is when someone repetitively is stopping you and dealing with you and only seems to. >> The passengers clearly said that it felt like they were being targeted. The cops, of course, denied it and claimed they were just following training. But look closely. How many cases did we need to see before realizing that training was just a shield for abuse? When a cop said, "That's how we're taught," it didn't mean it was lawful. It only meant the abuse was systemized. Sadly, we all saw it. But for them, this was daily life. >> I've not ever met you. So, targeting is a wild activation. >> I mean, as a group of like law enforcement, you guys all do the same thing around here. It seems like >> we all stop and you all find a reason to search him illegally. You know what I mean? >> Please don't get illegally, but based on our training and experience, okay, >> nothing we do is has been illegal. When do we find out like what was so wrong? >> Other deputies. So >> like the dog comes, he doesn't smell anything. Like do we find out what was so offensive to you? >> If the dog doesn't alert, then you'll be sent on your way, sir. >> With no explanation as to what escalated it to begin with. >> But if you would like to, you can. >> Okay. Look up. >> Full transparency. I love it. >> Do your training on it. >> I I don't want to do your job. I just want you to explain yourself. What lawyer's going to explain? >> The talk turned into a debate about suspicious behavior. The cop admitted the only reasons were attitude and tone. In other words, they had done nothing illegal, but just seemed off to him. If it wasn't a dangerous kind of subjectivity, I didn't know what it was. The law stopped existing when it became nothing more than a matter of mood. >> Explain to me what you're thinking. What lawyer could tell me that? If I had called a lawyer right now and asked them, what would they tell me you were thinking? In today's day and age, you could probably ask Chad GBT to be honest. I can I can get somebody to take an educated guess. >> You're thinking to us, you're the one that did this. This was your decision. You have to take Nobody else can but you. >> Whatever I did or whatever we did to potentially escalate this situation, I'd like to not do it again. So, that's my intrigue for what went wrong. >> You think everything so far has just been conversation? You got a little heated for a second, but it's a conversation >> cuz we're supposed to just sit here and be like, "Okay, do whatever you say." And y'all, we're >> The conversation part is fine, but that doesn't explain how we went from the initial you have a brake light out to where we're at right now. That's what I don't understand. >> No, like >> he said she could explain it to you. >> No. Well, she said she won't. >> Okay. Well, then here we are. Like every traffic stop goes pretty much. >> I'm not. >> The driver asked, "What did I do that was illegal?" The cop flat out admitted nothing. So why were they waiting hours for the dog? That moment exposed the abused best. A citizen was told he broke no law yet was still detained. But of course, they were convinced they did nothing wrong and just kept digging themselves deeper. >> Kind of bad for somebody. >> Does that sound okay to you? >> Do you think we >> Does that sound okay? >> So here's what I'll explain to you. If you want to know, I'll give you the very reasoning and how to listen to me. >> Oh, I'm sorry. He was talking. I stop a lot of cars every single day. A lot. >> Uhhuh. >> A lot. >> I can imagine. >> And when I stop a car and they give me some kind of behavior that is >> okay, >> suspicious to me. >> Is that that >> causes me to be on a little more of an alert? Okay. I begin asking questions and based on your responses, your actions, your behavior, and the way you handle this app >> points me in the direction that I'm going to go next. Okay. Anybody that questioned you? >> Nope. I've been questioned a ton. I've >> I've not searched a ton of cars. My last traffic stop, I didn't search the vehicle. I didn't even ask. >> But again, >> but again, they handed over their documents and didn't say a word. >> It's based on behavior. >> Okay. >> Uh-huh. But that's not against the law. >> Too many heavy. It's enough. >> I'm not writing you a ticket. I'm not >> But I'm not here like a criminal waiting for a drug cop to get here. You know, I can't they are I don't know what they are because I'm not familiar with them. >> Wait, wait. Did you hear when the cops said that in South Carolina suspicion is enough? That was a halftruth. The law allowed detention on reasonable suspicion, but only if it pointed to a clear crime. Here, there was no crime, no evidence. Their suspicion wasn't real. It was just their hunger for power. Cops like this disgust me. and you'll see how far they kept pushing their story. >> You're arguing with me like you are familiar. So, I was just under the impression that you knew who they were. >> There's no leg. >> You've been through this so many times and people are targeting you. I figured >> No. No. I just feel like this police force is a common behavior. There's a common >> criminal addiction is a common >> Yeah. It's a trend for us. That's that's our job. That's our job. That's >> anybody that questions you or doesn't agree is >> again. Nope. I've been questioned plenty of times. We must have done it poorly. I guess >> nothing to do with your question. Gotcha. >> That's what I was going to say. >> So what what illegal thing did I do to get >> I just told you you didn't do anything legal. You did something illegal. >> But that should be enough. That's what it should take to be >> opinion. That's not the law. >> It literally is. >> So in here in South Carolina, you >> all I need to request to come to stop. I have >> But what is your reasonable suspicion? >> And when you get to the point there, she's not going to cross that point. >> Okay. I guess there should be a reasonable articulation. >> That's your opinion. That's how you feel. I understand that. >> I guess we'll talk about it later in court or something when we fight. It's fine. >> I don't know. Convincing her is not going to help anything anyway right now. >> All right. Person's on the way. Once the dog's done, then we get to go. >> By how you sound talking right now. >> Talking about it in court ain't going to go any better. I'm just let you know. >> I'm going to let you know. >> She won't be allowed to speak so much in court. So, she will get their conversation out with the attorney. Initially, >> the citizens mentioned court and the chance to defend themselves with a lawyer, but the cop tried to scare them more, saying it wouldn't go any better there. How are we supposed to take that? Had this small tyranny gone so far that everyone was connected and justice was out of reach? Or were these cops just so delusional that they truly believe they were always right? >> And then she let the attorney do the talking. Yeah. Oh man. >> I get you both seating though. >> What's up? >> Just >> Oh man, >> you're literally messing with two law-abiding citizens and you're nothing. That's the only part that's so discouraging is I've lived a life in the past which was pretty unsavory and now that like I've turned the corner for quite a few years now since my daughter was born like I don't know just makes it disappointing I guess to hear that I still seem like that >> explain the the defensive attitude more because usually yeah usually people when they've had a pass yeah they step away from >> the driver spoke about his life that he made mistakes before but had been on the right path for years. The cops still twisted it as a defensive attitude and again labeled him as suspicious. This proved that once cops mark you, the stigma was almost impossible to erase. And yet there were still so many things left to be said here. Just wait. >> I pulled over you today. I would like to know. So I don't hear >> I pulled over. Don't argue about it, please. >> The only thing I would say >> Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, sir. >> No, you're good. I was just saying I pulled over a dude who's not and he was like 8 years sober but he fa his land which just articulated a little bit that was my reason suspicion to believe that he might have been intoxicated right here on the side of the road right you might want to research might exhibit if I was a normal person and she pulled me over I might exhibit behaviors that might make her think that >> I have something to hide you know leading her to believe like that's probably because she studies behavior >> okay yeah cuz just saying like he was pretty upset the traffic stop and you actually came out the car right under the influence. >> Yeah, it feels because now I'm going to sit back and watch all this and it sucks too, you know what I mean? Like I don't know. >> While they waited, the talk shifted to personal stories, but in the background, the kids still watched the cops treat their parents like criminals. When young people grew up thinking it was normal for police to humiliate families without reason, tomorrow, no one would ask questions. That was the dangerous lesson children should never learn. And it seemed to me that's exactly what the cops wanted here. >> You got the car for me, please. >> Are we allowed to get >> Are we allowed to? >> Okay. >> Sorry. I wasn't trying to move. >> Godamn it, man. This is so wrong. >> Sorry, kids. >> Sorry, Cali. [Music] I really need you to call me and come with you guys. I >> let him turn around and look at what's going on right now. >> You can absolutely walk this not get close to me. >> No, I'll still be on the vehicle. Just ask. >> The K9 team finally arrived and the family waited in fear for what the dog might find in the car. The irony was they knew nothing was there, but the very fact that people were forced to wait for an animal to prove innocence showed how twisted the presumption of innocence had become. Here, the citizen had to prove he was clean instead of the cops proving otherwise. >> I'll let you know when I'm done. Okay, >> Daniel, stay back. Let the dog do its thing, please. >> I love you. >> Yeah, we'll be m it right side of my car. where you are. >> Yeah. >> Just line up along those two doors if you want. >> Yeah. >> Can I hand her the phone since she's in front to video? May I hand her the phone? >> Yeah. >> Make sure I'm doing whatever you want. The cops tried a new talk and offered to speak in private away from the kids. Wow, congratulations. It only took him half an hour to come up with that. I wondered how they even thought of it. Jokes aside, wasn't it a bit hypocritical to suggest that only after the damage had already been done? [Music] Good boy. All right. talking. I'm going to start a fresh lane with you guys. Honestly, goes the best way with me. Anything you'd like to talk about, we can talk about it with children, >> but this is where we're going to start. Okay. >> Okay. >> No, >> nothing you want to talk about. >> No. >> Okay. >> So, go ahead. >> Okay. All right. Just hang out right here, please. How is that possible? The talk shifted to the driver's job and the cop questioned him about the electricians unions, cities, and hospitals where he had worked. And what did his career have to do with reasonable suspicion? Well, if nothing else, every second showed us how pointless all this was. Just like their role in the system. You said you're an electrician. >> Yeah. >> You in the union? No. >> Or is that a thing down here? >> I don't know if it is or isn't, but I'm with a company that travels a lot, does hospitals and things of that nature. So >> cool. Like internal stuff. >> Internal wiring and stuff like that. You >> like I do specialty rooms and just the general electrical stuff for for the hospital from start to finish. Not the controls, but like just your general electrical stuff. alert >> on the door. >> I was from Illinois and they was a big thing. IWhood electric workers or something. >> I think they have a hall out of I just don't know how many contractors like actually >> are going with the union. >> There's like the main work force in Illinois, laborers union and >> we are on >> everything like that. >> Yeah, we're in the neighborhood >> in Oxford. Hardford and >> heart. >> You can I'm sorry. >> How far do you travel? >> For work? >> Yeah. >> Uh I mean I've been as far as Well, I started in the DC area. That's where we were from initially. >> Okay. Then I moved south and got on with this company. And since then, I've done the >> As the family talked about jobs and moving, the tension grew. The passengers just wanted it to end. That's where the real power gap shows. A citizen begging to go home. Cops having the luxury to stall. Except they shouldn't have that luxury. Not with so many real criminals waiting to be caught. Yet these cops wasted most of their shift on a family with kids. Really? Children's Hospital in Charleston. Then from there I went to Brunswick, Georgia. Yep, that's exactly right. Um then I went to Brunswick, Georgia. Did Southeast Georgia Hospital. Then we went to uh I guess northern South Carol Well, the job was in Belmont, North Carolina, but we lived still in South Carolina. >> Mhm. >> And I did a hospital up there, Caramont Regional Medical Center. And then uh I uh I don't know after that now I'm here at ROA. >> How long are youall usually on a set job for? >> Uh I was >> going to say it's got to be hard. >> Two two to three years at most, but two is really more like 2 years. Yeah. I was wondering that cuz I always see like different parts of the hospital like blocked off for XYZ stuff and >> I was um doing the metal stud framing on the inside of a hospital or they're building an extension and um gosh we have to like >> please please babe please just let this finish let this finish please. I just want to leave. I just want to go. >> Where you at? >> What if they put everything they're doing is on >> Yeah, but you guys are good. >> The cops told a story about a man whose dog had supposedly found a pill in his car. They used that to justify why the K9 had to search everywhere. But look at the contradiction. And they admitted the dog reacted to nerves, not drugs. So if you got nervous because they harassed you, that made you suspicious. That's a vicious circle that guaranteed abuse. >> You think we're pieces that are just about like out here trying to >> Maybe not you. Not you specifically. >> No, but hear me out though. If y'all really don't have in the car, then we don't give a We want to go find the people that do have Yeah, I don't understand how the dog made him since I I don't either, but that's bothering me. Honestly, >> dog work fascinates the heck out of me. >> My grandmother owned this car long enough to become a handler. I would love to just to know how the dogs work. >> I got this car from my grandmother. So, nobody that's ever done drugs has owned this car. So, well, maybe my past, but >> dude, I had a guy that had no like nothing on his record. It went the stop went the exact same as how this did now. The dog alerted to the vehicle. The dude was just nervous cuz he was nervous nervous like >> because he he and he straight up told me he's like broke like I I hang out with people who have done before that I know like might do some drugs and he borrowed my car or XYZ whatever the situation was and like sure enough in the console there's like >> a pill that tested positive for like fit folk in his console and he freaked out but since he had no drug chargers like I >> the kids were still waiting while the parents tried to comfort them. That was maybe the saddest part of the whole scene. The family apologized to the children even though they had done nothing wrong. And even though we had already said it, just imagine once more what was going through these kids' minds. The cops were playing a dirty game, but not for long. >> I've worked with him and made sure that he got like just had to do like a pre-trial intervention class, yada yada this, and then everything got dropped. But like, >> right, >> it's just happened. Okay. Especially if you're sitting here saying like, "Oh, in your past, you know, you don't know." >> Yeah. Way in my past. But yeah, >> I don't I don't associate with people that do that stuff anymore. So, nobody borrows my cars, none of that jazz. So, I do understand your story though. I'm not trying to be arguing. >> Yeah. No, I get that. I'm just saying like >> I'm sorry, Barbara. It'll be done soon. Sorry. >> I think they're going to come back in the fall. I'd be so pissed if I was on TV right now. >> Oh, that make it a million times worse. >> I remember watching live TV and that one chase. >> He's got a Squiddy down this way. Yeah. >> Oh, >> he's got a Squiddy like you do. >> You got one of those, too? >> Yeah. >> Different color. What color is yours? >> Red and black, I believe. >> Oh, so it is the same. >> Is it the one that's got whenever like the black side has the fire in the ice? >> Oh, no. I I went to my friend's house over the weekend for a sleepover and I saw the one that >> I think that information's in there if you want to see it. >> The parents begged for someone to take the kids home, but the cops refused. So even though the children are neither participants nor witnesses to any real crime, they were treated like hostages of the procedure. If this was called safety, then it was the crulest meaning of the word. And if this doesn't make your blood boil, honestly, I don't know what will. >> Hold on. Please stay where you are, babe, and just let the kids go. >> Go ahead, kids. >> Can the kids go with Are the kids allowed to go with >> Oh, >> don't get involved. >> Please don't get involved. >> Just I'm not leaving. >> I just need them to take my kids. Okay, >> I'm staying right here. Stay in the car. >> Stay in the car. >> Callie, stay with Zay, please. >> Don't get under there. I'm just very hungry. I'm not going >> you. Me too, baby. Clearly there's nothing in there. Come on. As expected, the cops found nothing in the family's car. But of course, we knew it long ago, and it meant nothing to them. It was only a hope that they might find something to justify an arrest and cover everything up they had done. And honestly, I hope for this family, for the sake of their kids, they won't let it just slide, but would sue them and teach them a lesson. If you think this was bad, just wait, because the next video will shock you even more. Some cops take corruption and abuse to a whole new level, proving there's no limit on how low they'll go.