cops have been known to take their duties too far in some cases but what happens when an educated citizen knows their rights better than a cop here Our Idiot cops got outsmarted by educated citizens gentlemen how you doing tonight great what you got there man what do you mean uh what kind of Beverage is that Pepsi stay your distance stay your distance yeah I don't want two guys with guns coming up on me oh we're police officers maybe you didn't I don't care whether you're police officers or the mafia the mafia yeah you guys are rolling around and cing up on me with guns back up yeah we're police officers we're here to Serve and Protect sir protect there's a lot of students here drinking so we just want to make sure that no so yeah well our job is to make sure the community is safe that's some stop stuff when you stop for everybody holding a can anywhere no not everybody holding a can anywhere just me no just people that we feel might be drinking in public so we're checking you I might be drinking in public we have no idea we don't know what the do not suspect that I might be drinking in that's what I'm asking do you suspect you said have what's called a reasonable suspicion do you have a reasonable suspicion yeah we do what that caning stop to investigate that's your reason that's not reasonable suspicion for drinking holding a can is a reasonable suspicion so anybody holding a can is under reasonable Su typically we like to see the can officers Scott and Aila pulled over and started questioning a man whose only suspicious Behavior was holding a beverage specifically a Pepsi the man responded defensively and expressed discomfort at the officers approaching him with guns officer Scott clarified they were police officers but the man remained wary and questioned their actions likening them to the Mafia the officers soon explained they were checking for public drinking leading to a debate about what constitutes Reasonable Suspicion for such checks the man challenged the officer's reasoning highlighting his skepticism about being singled out based solely on holding a soft drink a Pepsi the officers demanded to see the can as part of their justification for their suspicions we can see if it's an actual soft drink or not typical do I look and Vibe on beverages in public officer Scott I don't know may I have your card please You' have to come get it you you want me to get close to you want hand me your card I requesting it let me see if I can do this from a distance do I need to articulate is this close you want me to set it down and then you can grab it would that be better so I don't get too close officer Aila yeah may I have your card please excellent officer of has no problem being professional with a business card anything else that you gentleman need besides Gusto stops for cans yeah it's a stop when you're going to stop me for a can on the sidewalk that's [ __ ] you were standing here we didn't stop you we just came up to talk to you oh okay later see you have a good night take care yeah when the officers demand to ins ECT his drink the man demonstrates a clear understanding of his rights refusing to be intimidated by the officers this assertive Behavior proved that the man was in control of the situation and won't be bullied by the officers over something as trivial as drinking a can of Pepsi it is soon clear that the officers are taken aback by the man's knowledge and confidence in asserting his rights in the end the officers realizing they've encountered someone well-versed in their rights back away acknowledging they've been put in their place however the man in the next case takes his interactions and putting authorities in their place to the next level I'm good right here are you pulling me over or both of us I'm fine right here you're not pulling me over right are you pulling me over you and him both you're both 87 85 mph no we're not I got my cruise on you're on camera too okay so driver's license and registration please you're lying but you're pulling him over right you and him both you just told me you were pulling him over so yeah well he was going 87 you were going 85 got I tell you to I got my Cru on give your driver's license and your registration and insurance well you got to give me a minute for the registration but here's my license and you realize that how how can you see my speed when he's right in front of me you're following him so here's what I did I have my front radar on him he was going 87 as soon as he passed it went to 85 on you I'd never stopped the radar uhhuh that's the way it is do you have a a printout of that now make traffic stop if you don't do as I say by pulling to the front of him as behind I'm trying to do I'm trying to make sure yeah it is cuz it's officer safety you're obstructing offic safy is not a so I want you to pull the front of him you're behind me I can make sure that I can you quote me the the law for that the code I'm not going to P the law for that then there is no law for order it is a lawful order be code there has to be a code for officer safety there is no code I don't care just like there's no code for Public Safety why is it you do I tell you to I'm with him okay it's not safe for me to just pull up ahead I don't exactly go to the FR of people because if you had a gun or something like that you could always what are you so scared of what do me what am I scared of that's the way we we maintain our off everybody's out to get you that is the way we maintain our offic I don't know who you are I don't know officer safety issue is ridiculous you realize that you guys have like one of the least least dangerous jobs you just won't cooperate I don't have to cooperate because you didn't pull me over you pulled him over where's your registration and insurance it's a work truck so you're going to bear with me here I don't know why you got to get so mad about it cuz really it's just I'm with him we're on a road trip delivering these two trucks so what's the problem with me just sitting back back here waiting for you to J problem with me asking you to pull the front with him it's not it's really it's not safe for me to do that want to do when I'm already pulled over that's just that's the issue you just don't want because it's ridiculous there's no reason for it when I'm already pulled over you're mad because you are p over because I pulled your friend over no you're mad because you got to be you you think you need to be scared when you're the one with the guns scared that is how we maintain our officer safety if I if I do all my traffic stops in every different way possible officer safety is Officer officer cowardice is it officer yes it is my job is more dangerous than your job is it yes I climb Towers who you are what you do I clim cell towy that where's your registration and insurance I don't know you're going to have to give me some time work truck so it's not my personal truck [Music] registration there's a insurance stand by you kidding me sh [Music] what the what is he doing I see him on July 23rd 2021 a man recorded a traffic stop on on the Nevada Highway conducted by Trooper Boer of the Nevada Highway Patrol the trooper had pulled over the man's coworker whose vehicle he had been following the man pulled over behind the Troopers vehicle to wait for the traffic stop to conclude so they could continue their Journey however things took an unexpected turn as Trooper Boer attempted to assert his authority during the stop the interaction began with the man questioning whether he was also being pulled over alongside His companion who was accused of speeding at 87 m per hour the man denied the accusation stating that he had his cruise control on Trooper Boyer insisted on seeing his driver's license and registration leading to a debate about the legality of the Stop and the officer's instructions you got a supervisor one second um do you hey actually is your body camera on body camera is on okay what's your badge number and your name I'll give that all to you on a card you can verbalize it I'm going to give it to you it's a lie you you're supposed to verbalize it I'm going to give it ver to do is provide it to you that's I have to do I'm explain your citation someone that has vision problems your violation re anybody that has Vision vision problems is the reason why you're supposed to verbally identify you have vision problems it doesn't matter if I do or not okay it's for anybody well I don't know about that you know that anyway I'm going to give you this your violation is there that's your total the Justice Court your violation is for Speed we going 85 and a 70 I'm going to give you a violation Citation for 80 and a 70 what's your name and right down here what's your name and badge number are you going to fail to identify I'm not going to fail to identify I'm providing you the information identify please verbally now the wells Justice Court the phone number is right there and ver identify please I give it this you're not a cop if you don't verbally identify you're not a cop your options and your instruction how to pay how to contest whatever you choose my information ising officer huh who's your supervisor information is down here I'm providing that information to you who your super have a safe day yeah during the interaction Trooper Boer comes across as embarrassingly rude and condescending he appears to want to assert his power based on his badge and gun but he meets his match in the man who is well educated and aware of his rights the man refuses to be intimidated and insists on proper procedures such as verbal identification what's your name and badge number I need you guys to verbally identify we're not going to play these stupid games either that or give me your card both of you and it's not a it's not a request it's a demand I need your name and badge number or your card that's your job you guys just not like following the law you're out here trying to enforce laws and you're not even going to follow the law yourself provid you're not following the law you're not verbally identifying yourselves by not doing that you're not [ __ ] you realize that you all my information not verbally that a big problem yes it's a huge problem in this whole country you know that don't play dumb you're going to yes you are playing dumb look at your condescending look you're condescending I'm not condescending I'm demanding your ID verbally for anybody that might have vision problems that's the reason for it you know that you guys going to fail to ID both of you okay what's your badge number 371 thank you how about you control sorry I waser fyer and what was the number again 443 443 okay why was that so hard why is it so hard to do what I have I didn't have to no I didn't was it a lawful order if it was quote me the law quote me the law quote me the law you didn't pull me over you pulled him over if you're not then you're obstructing no it's not obstructing is a physical act a physical act not verbal don't play dumb really you can let go of your ego it makes things run a lot smoother if you know if you're courteous I'll be courteous back to you if you're an I'm going to be right back to you there ain't no law against that and you know it that's the first amendment you guys got a supervisor yeah what's advisor's name and phone number right there okay can you uh how long would it take him to get here he's not working today yep I guarantee it supervisor that comes who's your supervisor right now that's that is working he is my supervisor for this District I can get you anothering right now El can I talk who's working right now sergeant from answer the question you're you're my servant I'm not your servant you understand that that's how it works that's how the law works I'm going to get you another how about you just call them out here cuz this is ridiculous about an hour and a half an hour and a half really yeah wow are you going to play is that really wow you guys are funny you realize there's cops getting fired all over the country for this kind of losing your pensions losing your job even going to jail qualified immunity is going away you realize that I mean if I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure isn't it already gone in Nevada you guys are out here acting like you're the boss of the world but you're not you're public servants law enforcement not feelings enforcement you're feeling about me being in your way when I wasn't is your your problem not mine I don't have the move just because you don't like me there I mean if I'm wrong quote me the law the code and that you you can't do that tells me that I'm right and you're fullish I say anyway no I'm just trying to get you to give me a straight answer and you don't want to do that you want me to you want me to quote the law I'll quot the law yeah quote me the law that tells me I have to move the interaction between Trooper Boyer and the Man shows a clear Clash over how things should be done and who's accountable the man keeps pushing Trooper Boyer questioning if his commands are even legal and asking for the specific laws that say he has to follow he's basically saying prove to me that what you're asking for is legit showing he knows his rights and what's expected from law enforcement you won't believe how this 19-year-old law student owns campus police in the next video I'm sorry I can help you is there anyone else in here uh no it's just me okay you mind just opening the door that way I can see uh you trying to what you trying to look for the I just want to make sure there's no one else in there start and then I'll talk to you no there's no one in there right now okay come out here and talk to me then yeah so I'm going to be honest with you so we got to report that um you were seen walking into your dorm with alcohol okay there alcohol in there uh I don't answer questions what's your name and your badge number officer purle NMSU police title your name a security officer oh security officer okay okay do you have an ID with you I do okay can I see it uh you suspect me of a crime I do okay what crime and how can you articulate it minor position of alcohol we got a report that you were walked in so it's like hear that they say they said thing okay it's a yeah right it's like they said that he has and that that's how you're going to articulate it so we don't have to go down this route if you want to if you want to go down this route we can well I really don't but like you're I'm studying right now I'm doing homework get knocked on my door I'm out here I want to know what's on you say that they said that there's alcohol in this room oh they saw me going into this room and that there's alcohol in there how can you articulate it though okay so that's why I'm here talking to you yeah okay so I still need an ID you uh no and then we need to go from there you have to you have to suspect me of a crime I I do you you're you realize that uh cops in New Mexico don't have qualified immunity right I do that I do that okay so from from here and on just let's just be careful in what what you about to do right now you're saying that you want my ID but right now you're not you or yourself can articulate a crime that I've committed okay so so I already explained to you why I'm here why I need your ID I I know what you're here but okay is my ID going to tell you if there's alcohol in that room no but I still need to identify you my name is Joel Joel what Joel I need your first last name in your date of birth no you don't I do if you don't want to provide that you don't want to call officer Donovan or your supervisors here yeah I can get a sergeant over calling on because right now this is not what you want to do right now cuz this is a violation of my fourth amendment okay all right let me let me get a sergeant over here okay yeah 22 22 sare oh I'm yeah that's my room okay you want to just hang out out here then uh is he detained no that's fine I just don't want anyone going in the room you could go in then if if he's not detain he's free to go yeah he's free to go but he can't go in the room he can't no not at this time all right just just let it be bro just they someone called and said that they saw or me walk in there with the case of beer but that's all they have so so it's an investigation I'm talking to him he doesn't want to identify himself so until we get this figured out there's a sergeant on the way that's going to talk to him until this gets figured out I don't want anyone to go in the room you're you're free to go anywhere else that's fine you're not detained or anything anything but that's what something all is anything going to happen if I don't identify myself you can be arrested for concealing identity yes so okay so you that's what you I want you to say if you don't ID to me right now if I don't give you my ID then you're going to arrest me I want you to give me that ultimatum so just hold on you want to wait you said you wanted to wait to speak to a supervisor so let's just do that okay then okay thank you and keep your hands out of your pockets for me officer purle is looking into a report about alcohol being in a dorm room and goes to talk to a 19-year-old law student who's the main person suspected the student asks why he's under investigation and won't talk without knowing the officer's name and badge number officer purle explains that he thinks the student might have alcohol as a minor based on what was reported the student questions this suspicion saying there's no proof and asking for a clear explanation of what crime he's accused of he also mentions qualified immunity saying there needs to be a good reason before he gives his ID things get more intense until officer purle agrees to bring in a supervisor to sort things out further hi hi name and badge number please Sergeant John love La my badge number is 212 212 all right thank you uh officer said here that if I don't ID I will be subject to arrest is that true it's possible yes possible yes or no I need I need that ultimatum or else I won't give my ID okay so technically right now yes you could be arrested could I need a yes or no like I need you to tell me if you don't give me your ID right now I'm going to arrest you why why would I say that to you because I need that alatum cuz right now you're asking yes and I have the right to say no cuz you're asking you're not it's not a lawful order I need you to make it a being detained for suspicion of minor um in possession of alcohol mhm we need to see your ID okay and if not and if not you could be considered coning identity cuz New Mexico statute says that concealing of identity is a secondary charge I would have to have been arrested or suspected of a crime right now you hear just hear arrested or suspected you're being suspected of a have possession on what on walk grounds okay so do you have any alcohol in your possession I don't answer questions on walk grounds okay so you don't have any alcohol in your possession on walk grounds I don't answer questions I walk yeah that's her room bro n it's her they're trying to go in bro they're trying to ID me and but nah okay so who are you talking to I'm recording you you're recording you're not at all so if you want to hang out you that's fine uh so here's the deal by saying could what we are trying to do is we're trying to be cooperative with you and have you be cooperative with us and help us clear this matter up okay I gave them my name what's your last name you don't need my last name and you do not need my date of birth unless you want to run me for unless you want to run my name through your system are you trying to run my name through the system you have warrants for your arrest is I don't answer questions I don't answer questions I'm asking questions no it's my fifth amendment is it or is it not okay so the question is is that like the officer told you you're being suspected of having possession of alcohol underage so in that case the easiest way to prevent this is for you to let us know either you had you got somebody saw you carry a case of beer you have case of beer in your possession I don't answer questions okay all right um so the other the next the next step in this process would be would you give us consent to check your room n to make sure that you have no alcohol in your possession I do not consent to any serges nor seizures okay very good all right um this is completely up to you how you want to play this you could get a warrant or you could so oh you have probable cost right now we do have reasonable suspicion that possibly a crime had been committed we're trying to investigate that mhm you're certainly welcome to refuse if you wish I know but we need to ID you or and if we do not if you do not present your identification you can face it a onra citation you're saying could I need you to say you will I'm giving you the opportunity to no I need that ultimatum I will give you my idea if you say that I'm going to go get arrested if I don't give it to you so you'll give us if we say that if you say that yes sir cuz that's already grounds for me to set up litigation against you so you're threatening to sue us I ain't threaten nothing brother that's what you just said it's not a threat it gives you grounds it's not a threat it gives me grounds does it or does it not I don't answer questions okay so the easiest and simp solution to this is for you to tell us your name date of birth Joel Joel what Joel okay by just saying Joel there's a th Joels I need a last name of the date of birth for you're going to run confir are for the report I need to have your name and date birth I didn't even have to give you my first name for that report you could literally put the citizen or the or the guy or the suspect yes you can like that yes it does I'm a law student here you're not going to come over here and try to violate my rights so I'm not trying to violate your rights I'm trying to be cooperative with you and you be Cooper with us cooperate with me and except that I'm not going to give my ID unless I'm going to I'm going to get arrested say it and I'll give you my ID just say if you don't give me your ID I'm going to arrest you so you want us to threaten you want yes I want you to give me that ultimatum if you really want the ID threaten you that's not how this is why because you know you can't you know you don't have that ultim you know you can because you know that opens up for litigation am I and to make this clear I'm detained right now right great thank you have to stay over oh no I can't I'm in your view I'm telling you you need to stay over here just keep recording Sean don't let him in you Sergeant love lace the supervisor arrives to address the situation the 19-year-old student asks for his name and badge number which sergeant love lace provides the student then asks if he'll be arrested for not providing ID wanting a clear answer before cooperating Sergeant Lovelace confirms that not providing ID could lead to arrest the student insists on a direct ultimatum before complying Sergeant loveles then explains the suspicion of minor alcohol possession and the need for ID the student continues to question the grounds for suspicion and refuses to answer certain questions the situation becomes more tense as the student insists on a clear ultimatum before cooperating oh let me take my hand out my pocket thank you there's two guys right here with Glocks and scared of a scared of a 19-year-old with the phone bro I'm not scared of a 19-year-old with the phone I have come on man don't do that okay seriously that's do you see something in my pocket well we would like for you to do that for us just to be cooperative okay just be cooperative like just like for you to say what you want me to do are you googling the LW right now cuz that's really what she should be doing right now all right that yeah continue are you sure you're okay with that yeah I give you permission oh thank you very much yeah it's okay I appreciate it for me right now okay so sure you have a class at the end okay so here's why we need your name and date of birth I'm going to read you the law because you are a law student okay according to New Mexico it's all being recorded yeah I know my body camer running so I'm I'm going use my my own so concealing identity consists of concealing one's true name or Identity or disguising oneself with the intent to obstruct the due execution of the law instructing or yes technically you are with the intent to intimidate hinder or interrupt any public officer mhm or any person in illegal performance of his duties or exercise of his rights under the law of the United States okay so your investigation is investigating that I'm in possession of alcohol right that's exactly if I don't give you if I give you my ID is I going to tell you if I do or do not have alcohol in that room or is it just a way with something no the ID is so that we can identify who we are talking to if you wish to deny us access to that room that is totally within your rights but you refusing to identify yourself To Us by name and date of birth yeah full name mhm date of birth that is concealing identity yeah okay okay so just tell me that if I don't give you the ID you're going to arrest me just say it show us your ID we need to see your ID or you will be arrested thank you y got that right yeah yeah you got that pigs for real why do you use that term cuz why the are you searching my like we're not searching that's SE of my identification is it or is it not it's not a seizure a seizure of my identification yes or no we just need to see who you are in order to go investigation told you name legal name your first name what is my Joel not the legal name or what Joel what he has my ID go look at it perfect that's all we needed thank you that's all we needed mhm let's go down here real quick please am I able to go on my road no not yet just hold up for just a minute please guys okay so he's denying us for consent to searge that's point but we have him ID so we're going to take her make sure we take a report yep and then um so basically we got called some that suspected him of having alcohol in his dorm room caring a case of bean okay it's 19 years old um we will take a case report on it okay um there will be a case number drawn pretty much basically he's pushing the issue on the consilion identity but now that we've now that we've negated that we don't have to do anymore uh we will take a report just to document the thank you okay any questions uh just the report yeah we'll get that here we'll get that here in just a minut all right thank you appreciate it Jo okay have a you guys can go to your room thank you maintenance if we really wanted to push the issue we could stop and lock the room down and get a get a search warrant um but we have an anonymous complaint yeah so it's really kind of really kind of one of those things that's up in the air we don't want to we don't want to do thaty I appreciate you though you're a professional thanks a lot for that he questions if Sergeant love lace is looking up laws online and eventually gives permission for that Sergeant love lace then explains the legal definition of concealing identity and the purpose of asking for the student's ID the student insists on a direct ultimatum before complying and Sergeant love lace provides it leading to the student reluctantly giving his ID right here just listening yeah you're listening all right anything else I can help you guys with just going to stand around and get paid yeah sure you just going to stand around and get paid brother yeah yeah like I think we just Prov some RAC CU I'm going to get complaints on both of your and chief Donovan is going to know about this he knows who I am chief Donovan knows you Chief Donovan knows who I am okay very all right app it [ __ ] up for real have a nice day yeah and did you find anything with that ID brother did you find out if there's alcohol in here or not with that ID denied us consent so that's fine I didn't exactly so we're not going to we're not going to argue with you have get out of here well this is actually a weow to go work I pay you for something out of here yes I you for something out of here cuz you got my ID for no reason brother okay out of here have a nice day sir the conversation takes a confrontational turn as the student accuses the officers of racism and threatens to file complaints despite attempts to diffuse the situation The Exchange ends with heated words from the student expressing frustration over the ID check and demanding the officer leave if you enjoyed this video let me know in the comment section and don't forget to subscribe goodbye