cops have occasionally been known to overstep their boundaries but what happens when a well-informed citizen knows their rights better than the cops do here are different times idiot cops who got humbled by educated citizens hey gentlemen how you doing tonight great what you got there man what do you mean uh what kind of Beverage is that look like a Pepsi the last thing you might expect while holding a can of Pepsi is the police stopping you to ask what is in it yet this bizarre experience happened to a college student on that fateful evening thankfully he knew his rights and he started filming as soon as the officers got near hey gentlemen how you doing tonight great what you got there man what do you mean uh what kind of Beverage is that like Pepsi stay your distance stay your distance yeah I don't want two guys with guns coming up on me oh we're police officers maybe you didn't I don't care whether you're police officers or the Mafia the mafia yeah you guys are rolling around and cing up on me with guns back up yeah we're police officers we're here to Serve and Protect sir protect trying there's a lot of students here drinking so we just want to make sure that so yeah well our job is to make sure the community is safe and when people stop stuff when you stop for everybody holding a can anywhere no not everybody holding a can anywhere just me no just people that we feel might be drinking in public so we're checking you suspect I might be drinking in public we have no idea we don't know what the so you do not suspect that I might may be drinking we have what is called a reason Su that's what I'm asking do you suspect you said we have what's called a reasonable suspicion do you have a reasonable suspicion yeah we do what is that can I'm holding stop to investigate that's a reason that's not a reasonable suspicion for drinking holding a can is a reasonable suspicion so anybody holding a can is under reasonable sup well typically we like to see the can usually we can see if it's an actual soft drink or may not typical do I look inbi on veres in public officer Scott I don't know may I have your card please officer Scott's response to this question goes ahead to show his level of emotional maturity and puts into question if he should have been in that line of work at all you'd have to come get it you you want me to get close to you please hand me your card I am requesting it let me see if I can do this from a distance do I need to articulate this close you want me to set it down and then you can grab it would that be better so I don't get too close officer ail yeah may I have your card please excellent officer of has no problem being professional with a business card anything else that you gentlemen need besides Gusto stops for cans yeah it's [ __ ] Gusto [ __ ] when you're going to stop me for a can on the sidewalk that's sick you were standing here we didn't stop you we just came up to talk to you oh okay later see you have a good night take care yeah in the end the cops tried to turn the law into a shield for the baseless inter action but the young man only used it in his favor and politely dismissed the cops do you have anything illegal in the car today like I said I got a concealed carry permit but other than that I don't have nothing illegal okay so there's nothing would you mind if I look no you may not look not look unless you have a search one this is Officer hollyfield from the Richland Police Department on February 18th 2023 at around 10:36 in the morning officer hollyfield made a traffic stop on a black Buick Regal the driver Ian Alexander allegedly had crossed the speed limit and was asked to pull over by the side of the road somewhere in Richland Mississippi hello sir you got your driver's license insurance Hy yeah it's in my pocket sure go ahead y'all doing all right today yeah well my insurance cards on my phone sure that's fine good who's your uh who's your insurance with Progressive Progressive okay uh it should say April 28 2023 yeah okay sure yeah I see that all right well look the reason I'm stopping today Mr Alexanders you're going a little fast window 10's a little too dark okay the speed limit is 45 I'm doing 45 and you came by me all right you're obviously faster than me about 10 miles over to be so also your window T's too dark where you headed to today I'm just going what why huh why do you want to know just conversation just ask where you're going M huh McGee McGee okay you coming from Madison is that where y'all live up in Madison somebody else coming what's that now I'm making sure like I live in RG you live in R okay okay all right sure we just sit TI for me okay Mr Alexander will you step back here and talk to me please I guess I can yeah please if you don't mind you're not underr or anything I just want to talk to you okay uh I got I got a a concealed carot permit oh that's cool yeah do you have it on you do you have the firearm on you yeah my waistband on just don't do me a favor don't reach for it that's all I ask just keep your hands up there okay all right so I understand it's a traffic stop not everybody get stopped every day and this can be a little uncomforting for people I get that okay my concern is that you are are about to suck all the oxygen out of the air right now because you're breathing so heavy all right you're so nervous so why why would you be why would you be extremely or overly nervous with me for a simple traffic stop I mean because I was talking and I was busy but I didn't know I was speeding okay so I wasn't really sure why I was getting pulled over okay have you ever been arrested before or anything like that yeah okay you might if I asked before you can't get in trouble from telling me I'm remember uh I mean I had DUI 20 years ago do years probably not it okay all right uh when's the last time you were arrested do you remember that uh no it's been probably 20 years 20 years probably about 1999 anything narcotics related at all no do you wear glasses or contacts uh contacts okay are those colored contacts or are your eyes always that kind of grayish glassy a little bit glassy green uh eyes or whatever green eyes okay are you under the influence of any narcotics or Al today sir okay right your pupils are like pinpoint that's why I asked have you taken any prescriptions or anything you asked me why I was nervous first of all I didn't realize I was speeding so did you get that on radar or I paced you I was right behind you actually you passed me as I said it's possible cuz I was talking and okay you know I mean I wouldn't have just stopped you for nothing I mean I'm doing the speed limit and you passed me so there's that I mean that that's in my line of work that's called a clue when I'm doing the speed limit you pass me that that would be a a very obvious indicator of you with you like I said I might have been but I don't remember but okay initially it looked like a normal traffic stop but things are starting to escalate and then you're were saying about my tent but I'm pretty sure the tent's not ilal uh I guarantee you it is the state law is 28% and that's a lot darker than any window okay I just didn't know and that's and that's common you're asking me why I'm nervous that's because I was kind of upset you're asking me where I'm going and where I live and I don't think that I'm allowed I don't have to answer that you absolutely don't it's just casual conversation so do you have anything illegal in the car today no like I said I got a concealed carry permit but other than that I don't have nothing illegal okay so there's nothing would you mind if I look no you may not look unless you have a search warrant okay I don't but I'm I'm simply asking I mean your pupils I can open up the trunk I can open the doors up but I I don't want you to go in and look through my car okay because it's I don't feel like I have to for those those who don't know you can formally deny the request to search your property unless the officer possesses a search warrant Alexander seems to be aware of this law and fully leverages it to withhold the corrupt cop and and you absolutely don't I'm simply see in my line of work what I do is I love doing this okay I I love working on narcotics and you're giving off a lot of precursors that could potentially lead up to narcotics I'm not saying that you do and I'm not saying that you don't if you don't if you don't have anything I don't have any narcotics I don't I didn't say you at the mouth you're asking me why I'm nervous I mean this is ridiculous can I please have a witness do you mind coming closer okay so there's nothing illegal in the car are you a supervisor are you a supervisor may I have a supervisor you're talking to them okay there is nothing illegal in my car whatsoever would you like to see my supervisor I mean what's the next step am I going to get a ticket for uh speeding or what that's to be determined haven't made up my mind yet I'm simply asking for I don't understand why you're getting so hostile with me because the way I'm being treated I mean how are you being treated how how do I look like I have narcotics I didn't say you look like you had narcotics I said you were displaying indicators what what what are you saying I have pupils I'm nervous I mean I'm I was upset because you're asking me where I'm going that was just casual conversation so here's the look I'm not going to sit here and argue I'm not I'm not I'm not going to argue with you okay I'm simply asking you a you like me to do do you want me to open the trunks do you want me to just ask you look you don't have to you can tell me no all day long he has one just just be cognant of that they're saying I have uh suspicion of Narcotics or something I I mean you're welcome to look there's absolutely nothing in here absolutely nothing would you mind if I look in the phone I I give you uh the permission to view what's in my car but but under those circumstances are you allowed to just search my car with without a search warrant I mean there's a few different ways that I can probable calls okay which I'm just asking you for ver the probable cause can you please explain to him what the probable cause I didn't say there was I ask you you said I had you're just getting defensive with me for asking common questions all right I'm just doing my job I'm doing what's called a Patrol investigation I made a stop for probable calls which probable calls he is a witness can you please come closer and listen okay thank you he's recording I'm recording I know because sure there are steps to go to the station and get copies and and everything of this because this is ridiculous okay is this your wife girlfriend this is my fiance my girlfriend okay okay for 5 years okay well congratulations I'm just asking you several questions we just so I'm going 15 mil hour and officer hollyfield seemingly failed to satisfy his ego by questioning Alexander so instead he moves to interrogate Alexander's fiance ma'am would you be willing to step out and speak with me out here pleas do you have any indication of me ever being rude ugly too assertive aggressive not to me okay well I'm glad you feel that way so thank you I appreciate that well look here's the reason for the stop today okay I'm doing the speed limit 45 mph he comes past me all right that's an indicator that he's traveling over the posted speed limit at which I was traveling okay that is called probable cause for a traffic stop okay and which I have done furthermore the window tent on the vehicle is darker than the legal limit so there is further probable CS for a traffic stop listen to me they don't have the right to search my car listen to me I understand I understand okay and I understand how you get you know I understand how you get they don't understand they don't they're they're not I mean this guy's reasonable this guy's a Jer they're not they don't they're not used to you I am so I know he when he get like that I can't but by y'all being by being Poli off do I mean I told him you can visually look in my car if you want to look in the car but you're not going to dig through it and search through it no well there's a fine line between what you're telling me I can and can't do okay I just asked you if I could look in your vehicle okay that would Encompass me looking in the in the center console the cup holders and stuff not an invasive search I'm not trying to go through your car and pull out your bills that you've had stuffed in your glove compartment for the past 4 years I don't care about that okay it's an invasive look into the a non-invasive look into the vehicle and there's something in there that would key me up to something else okay well hold on let me hold on hold on let me talk okay let me talk okay obviously I've known your fiance for a little bit and didn't realize she remembers me I don't remember her okay and we have established the words came out of her mouth that in the interactions that we've had over the last several years when she was working here are you still working there know not we've never had a negative interaction I do not I do not come at people some type of way that you perceive that I am okay you got defensive with me for doing my job okay I stop don't interrup inter up me again please I've been very I've been more more than with strained and trying to be very nice to you okay so here's the thing I have I've asked you questions and you've just been defensive with me the whole time trying to do my job all right so I'm going to ask you one more time do you mind if I look in your car or not okay lastly after all this drama officer hollyfield issues two citations to Alexander one for overs speeding and the other for using tints on his car's Windows well then just sit tight don't go back in the car for now all right just be mindful he has a firearm in his waistband all right Mr Alexander issu you two citations today one for Speed and 10 over one for window tent give you Court dat of March 29th you have on that dat or up to it to pay for citations if you pay to them pay for them prior to that date you don't have to be in court if you don't all you need to call ahead and let them know that you're not going to make it they will gladly rearrange or make a payment plan if you'd rather do that if you no call no show a warrant will be issued for your arrest and we'll just come pick you up okay thank name and badge number name and badge number do not resist what am I resist why what what are you doing do not I'm not resisting what are you doing this is Officer Mendoza from the Austin Police Department on January 17th 2024 Brian Stone a photographer encountered a security guard named James while while taking pictures outside the shopping mall in Austin Texas James the security guard had cautioned a young individual riding his bike around the shopping center Mr stone asserts that James purportedly pepper sprayed him and caused damage to his camera subsequently Mr James called the police to the scene witness how Mr Stone approaches Mr James following the incident despite being sprayed without apparent cause hey give me y's cards you sprayed all myit give me your card give me your security card give me your security card what's your name what's your name what's your unit number Jam you m you back up give me your security card I'm not in your personal space and ain't got to go nowhere spray me again back up I'm going to have your ass soon come on give me your card I ain't giving you no card what's your name James James what James James I no [ __ ] what's your name what's your name James give me a security card do you know what to gu La I'm about to do it right I'm sorry but yeah yeah that's fine that's fine come on come on J James come on yeah yeah no you will no you w okay then I'll get APD here yeah yeah I'm going to yeah so here we got Professional Security Consultants Bravo 17541 I got Bravo 17541 license plate p8 70374 license plate p870 368 are those tags expired those tags look expired are those tags expired a question shut up no you do ask a questions you're a public servant negative oh no yeah you going to think negative are those are those tags expired are your tags expired on those Vehicles cuz they look expired this gu just really out of yeah yeah get him out here get him out here cuz you sprayed me for you try to get me [ __ ] director bit you're security guard ho oh I can I can cuff him that wouldn't be a problem yeah cuff me put your hands on me see what happens whoa yeah see what happens cuff me got it all right okay you got about 1 minute I got about 1 minute before the cops get here that's good good I'm calling them also yeah call the cops yeah I assume that was your boss that you're on the phone with right it don't matter who we're on the phone with you're asking too many questions that we don't have to answer you're a public servant you do have to answer I do you also have to give me your card I know this you hey you think you're the first one dude you think you're the first one yeah I'm going to make sure I ain't got to set back I ain't in your personal space yeah you are no I ain't I can't touch you that's not personal space no you can't walk close to me that's personal space no no I can't can 9500 South I yeah please get the police out of here cuz these people sprayed me with no cause back up I don't have to back up I can be wherever the I want to right here I'm not in your space dude it's on camera bro a recording recording the whole thing I even got you spr I didn't realize until I seen it's all over my lens and [ __ ] yeah call the cops out here yeah call the cops yeah you're man no I ain't violent I pissed off you tried to come up to me and try to give me orders about what the I should be doing I didn't come up to you at all W even no y shut the f up yeah no you ain't GNA talk to me like that bro your little kid [ __ ] yeah p p PSC Security here sprayed me for goddamn not want to take his directive for not wanting to shut the up like you running [ __ ] around here you fat you scare me you guys got a pair of scissors back he's got a camera in his hand I got camera but the weapons that he has are very accessible so what I has the right to Bar arms [Music] Officer Mendoza along with several other deputies showed up at the scene responding to Mr James's call No No Name a badge number please name a badge number turn around name a badge number name and badge number do not resist what am I resisting what what what are you doing do not I'm not resisting what are you doing put your hands what the are you holding me for put your hands behind your back what are you holding me for put your hands behind your back all right I'm doing it quit trying to manhandle me just Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey listen just listen just listen just listen let you not I'm not going for no damn KN you told me to put my hand behind my back listen just relax okay hey I need listen listen just relax right now is not the time to debate this okay let go your camera no okay you going to put your hand behind your back or you going to get you violate my rights you violate my rights you're going to get your hand hey hey hey hey hey hey hey do not move I he told me to put my hands behind my back dude there's a knife right and I have the right to bear arms you're you're unlawfully Rel search to season relax set grab M why do you need a set of C for I'm not even resisting you because you're too wide that's we don't want to hurt your shoulder okay okay okay right now you're being detained so we investigate what's going on okay that's fine Mr Stone was handcuffed and detained while the deputies investigated the matter however the detention can raise certain questions since despite the suspicion of Mr Stone being resolved the officers still kept him handcuffed watch how the encounter follows said Mendoza bad badge number right there what's your badge number is that what you tell the C is that what you tell the courts what's your name and badge number identify yourself as an officer have a seat identify yourself as an officer pleas I'm Officer Mendoza with the off Police Department what's your badge number I already told you I'm not going to repeat myself you didn't you pointed at it what's your name and badge number okay identify yourself as an officer of the law what's going on Sir name and badge number he4 it's right there also than what's name badge number please detective carabal with the Austin Police Department what's your name what's your name 6123 is that correct sir that's correct all right what's your name on look at my camera so why are y'all detaining me because listen we got a call out here for a disturbance okay okay List look at my camera look at my camera are you going to listen for me to answer the question that ask so be quiet you ask me a question give me an opportunity to answer okay the reason why we're here is because we got called for a disturbance okay between you and the security officer all right and then he said he pepper sprayed you because you pulled out scissors or whatever so listen you asked me why we're here I'm telling you bring it down a littleit listen just Len I'm going to give you an opportunity to speak that's why we're here okay and the fact that you have a weapon on you we're not saying that it's illegal to carry we're not saying that it's illegal to carry but we are going to take it away away from you for your safety and for our safy so unlawful unlawful search and seizure right okay whatever you're the attorney here right you're the attorney here I'm asking your question what's going on okay look at my camera can you stop moving back just sit right here sit right here sit right there look at my camera why do I got to look at it look at the camera why because that's evidence look at the camera that's what he pepp spray you right and he also got me in the face too it's all in my eyes where's medical at okay you need medical ambulance huh yeah I need medical out here we'll give the ambulance out for you bring it SS he saying he got pepper sprayed and he wants EMS hungry I'm so before we leave out of here I need that man's I need all his identification ask your question sir how did you guys come in contact like first of all he was following he was following some kid on a bike the kid has stopped to talk to me I'm out taking pictures I'm a photographer that's what I do I'm a journalist he was talking he was stalking some dude I want to say he was stalking he was following some kid on a bike and when he stopped he said something to the kid about you don't need to be around here and I said bro if he lives around here he has every right to be around here he said shut the [ __ ] up I ain't talking to you and that's when I told him I said no you shut the up you don't tell me what to do I ain't youring little kid so anyways that's how that escalated and then when I came up on him that's when he sprayed me and I wasn't even close to him okay I wouldn't even knowwhere near his ass where where did he where were you standing when he sprayed you we were standing over there uh U sir can you move just over just a little bit so I can see stay over here though stay over here though I'm trying to see okay look man I I don't know we were right up over there so see where my bike is we were somewhere up over in that area over there in front of in front of that store we might have been in front of Ulta okay and so so that interaction happened he told you that you got upset and then that's when he told he pepper sprayed you he just pepper sprayed you he just pepper sprayed me I wouldn't I wasn't in his face or none of that [ __ ] where did he pepper spray you on your camera on the camera in the face it's all in my eyes and everything it's all in my eyes and everything I can feel it okay at first I didn't realize it okay because I mean I have a pretty tolerance to this I can take 2.5 million scullville no problems but unfortunately I could feel it and then when I got over to Target I realized that there was [ __ ] all over my camera when I went to take a picture wait uh what's your name uh what what is that there is that his identification what's what's your first name man is that his identification what's your first name r what's your Ras what's your R are you making this so much difficult I don't need to I don't need to make it difficult you guys got me in handcuff cuz this man assaulted me tell you why you're in handcuffs they probably already explained to you okay someone call 91 and said that you were trying to stab one of the security y'all think it's funny right now y'all think it's funny right now which y have both your jobs you little are you can you listen I'm listening so I'm going to call 911 and said you were going to try and stab someone with oh that's [ __ ] yeah that's what I'm trying to figure out cuz I promise you if I wanted to stab his fat ass it would have been done already and I didn't do anything to him let me explain why I'm here like I said somebody called somebody said you try to punch him and then try to stab with abely said I had to p and I guarantee you I bet you there's other cameras outside of mine I guarantee I bet you there's other cameras in here that I'm going to pull that's why I as where you were that's and I just confirm with them that they're denying that you ever took out your scissors or knife and like said you ear your rights to hold your scissors right to have knives on you you're right so why so why did y'all illegally take my [ __ ] and why am I detained why am I in handcuff because see now now unfortunately for y'all hold on now I want to tell you how this is going to work out because now I'm not detained I'm arrested no you're not it it's arrested as soon as you put the handcuffs on me that's arresting it is you've arrested my wrist that's what it's called bro hey you can play whatever you want when it goes to court I'm telling you how it's going to work out okay so now that we know for a fact because I guarantee you whoever made that report if it was him that's lying to an officer which is in charge on him it might be a misdemeanor but that's still a charge on him so and I promise you before we leave up out of here I'm going to have both of their names and I'm going to have their jobs before the end of the week is okay do you have do you have you mind providing your name so I can write no I do not I want their names I want their names and I want their security numbers okay so you're going to have to identify yourself I do because I haven't committed a crime I know my rights okay so then it's not going to be documented and you're not going to have their names I'm going to get their names regardless I've already got their company and everything and I've got and I've got their Badges and everything okay so I promise you if you don't want to get their names and I know by law they have to give it to me that's fine I'm going to get it regardless I promise you I'm going to get you're making this so much more I'm not no no no no I'm not these guys lie to you and all I did no here's the thing here's the thing all I did all I did was tell that piece of [ __ ] he does not own me and he wasn't going to tell me what to do I'm upset of course I'm upset I got sprayed and y'all guys got me in handcuffs you're damn right I'm upset you ain't got to explain nothing to me okay I haven't broken any law I haven't done anything wrong and you got me detained you've got me arrested and I want their names and I'm going to get it one way or another either I get it from y'all or I'm going to get it from their [ __ ] company yeah we tried to explain that to you several times but you're just too upset to understand you're right I'm upset I've been sprayed and y'all guys got me in handcuffs and questioning me and we've explain that to you we question them as well so don't say we only question you we talk to them as well okay so why aren't they detained in handcuffs because they don't have a weapon on really M isn't a weapon listen you so so I was assaulted and you're saying and you're saying way no no no no I promise you I'm not I'm taking it just as far as it needs to be Mr Stone argues that he cannot be kept detained based on hearsay for those who don't know hearsay is an outof Court statement to prove the truth of the asserted matter where the speaker's credibility cannot be tested through cross-examination observe how the encounter ends you know because the honest truth is is I've done everything that I was supposed to do I didn't do anything wrong and I promise I'm going to have their jobs by the end of the week well that by all means I mean by all means we have a job to do we want to make sure we do it we want to make sure that apprciate that I don't want anybody saying oh he got a big knife and has to say make it quick okay all right you got a CT put on you that means I know what a CT is just tell them what exactly I know what a CT is I I don't need you to explain nothing to me I don't need your directives and what I'm going to do and what I'm going to do because I have business here in this property longer allowed on this property 9300 9500 as I promise you I don't need your direct I Promise You by the end of the week I'm going to have your job and you can't put a CT on me he can temporarily now sir if you don't mind I would like to be released from handcuffs since we realized that there's no crime committed soon as the supervisor comes and talks to you we'll release you okay Mr Stone was released following the encounter he allegedly blamed Mr James the security guard had ruining his expensive $3,000 camera anybody's phones I want a badge I want a badge let's go I want to go to jail because I'm looking bad put me in here CU let's go if you're wondering how things escalated to the point where a citizen is asking to be willingly put in handcuffs well you are about to get the full story and the moral lesson is that you will only ask to be jailed when you know you have done nothing wrong you're that suspicion isn't a crown we're in we're in full uniform miss lady we're not do nothing wrong what do you mean she is not in full uniform she has it on her phone so what I could get anything on my phone she has her badge her name I don't care she should have her badge around her neck give me name okay okay let me ask you this let me ask you this if I if I call can I dig in my pocket to grab my phone sure you can get your supervisor as okay no I want your supervisor oh I don't well can you call one I don't have what on duty right now the blasy all right give me I'm going to give you I'm going to give you you going to get what you got to get coming this cop claimed to have gotten a complaint concerning the construction workers and was requesting their ID however according to the law they were not required to identify themselves unless they were under Reasonable Suspicion aware of this these workers stood their ground I'm not saying you're doing right you can cancel that I didn't say you're doing anything wrong but I want you to identify yourself because you're going in and out of all these building that's all I asked for right huh Grand and then he's not in any uniform and she has no bad she has no badge and she has no where's looking at anybody's phones I want a badge I want a badge let's go I want to go to jail because I'm looking want a badge put me in here and cuffs let's go I want a badge I'm not breaking any law miss lady I stand I you have to be trespassing you're trespassing it's private property it's private proper you have to be trespassed you the cop you do are trespassing is private property we're not trespassing you have to be trespassed okay so can we leave no we stay okay we can we can stay so she's are are we being2 to 277 so we are being detained are we being detained I just want your ID are we being detained give me your badges if you can certainly show a badge to anybody here you all I did was ask you for your identification how am I being hostile ask did I did I ask you for your you're just you protect to serve me can you are a civil Serv you please identification of where you people work I will give you my identification okay but before the law states in order for me to identify to a police officer in the state of Pennsylvania you have to have reasonable articulable suspicion that I've committed a crime have committed a crime as long as there's as long as there is a complaint I have to get to the bottom of the complaint corre if anything is going have appointment we came here for appointments I don't know that we're telling you you came out you came out we don't have to go over that have you're I asked you for was your identification that's all I asked for Miss Lady and and I will give you would you like my lawyer number on law though would you like my my lawyer's number we can give you our supervisor is that what you would like you can contact our supervisor who you work for that's all I'm asking you my name is Jeffrey I am not speaking to you I'm speaking to you I will be looking at why you HTI get my face you you want to get mad at me get mad at me because you get mad at me your identification who you work for we don't have it over okay she does not have your supervisor here I'm going I'm going to invoke my fifth amendment and now if you want to arrest me you can do that ultimately this was the best option for the construction worker as it was clear that the cop had no reasonable charges to arrest them for nor was she in any way looking to to deescalate the matter while this cop was certainly persistent and hostile the cops in this next case might just be far worse how you doing can you come over here in front of my car so my camera can watch you please yes sir am I being detained you are for the duration of this investigation can you step over here in front of my camera sir I'm investigating a suspicious person don't play games with me okay I know what you're doing I'm engaged in lawful activity I know what you're doing your first amendment frauditor I get it that's cons protected that why am I being detained this is Officer fiser from the Dothan Police Department on November 27th 2020 Jeff Gray a First Amendment auditor was filming outside the premises of Southeast Medical Center in Dothan Alabama Mr Gray aimed to demonstrate how the ambulances were ignoring the stop signs on the road as he kept filming the vehicles around he was approached by the security guard of the medical center the guard argued that he was not allowed to film around the premises Mr Gray disagreed with him and continued to film the guard returned while he called the cops on the scene watch how an encounter unravels between the cops in Mr Gray why you video I'm sorry who are you I'm security with the hospital okay what's your name Daniel Dan okay yeah just videotape can't videotape um I beg the dier why cuz I'm standing on public sidewalk well that's true but why you videotaping the hospital I'm just curious about what's going on I'm doing investigatory surveillance with who with me it's not it's it's an ongoing investigation so I don't want to give up any uh tip my hand or anything like that but I will say that um ambulances tend to run this stop sign every single time so I guess I kind of tipped my hand a little bit there but okay how you doing can you come over here in front of my car so my camera can watch you please yes sir am I being DET Tain you are for the of this investigation you step over here in front of my cam sir I'm investigating a suspicious person don't play games with me okay I know what you're I'm engaged in lawful activity I know what you're doing your first amendment frauditor I get it that's constitutionally protected activity why am I being detained because you're creating a disturbance right step over here this is constitutionally protected AC you cannot make it a crime sir you are creating a disturbance investigating the disturbance what's the name of badge number officer fer 1146 Department I'm with P Services listen I got my ID in my pocket if you want see you don't dictate what happens here I need to to you the talk to you the law and the Constitution dictates what happens I'm on a public sidewalk it's okay why are you even here I don't want to play with this game with you okay if you know my game you are intentionally creating a disturbance in order to create a lawsuit that's what you want to do I get that I acknowledge that that is your profession I understand that is how you make your money doing my job what I violating you're creating a disturbance and you're bothering folks over here I'm here to investigate why officer fiser from the Dothan Police Department showed up at this scene after the guard called Mr Gray was well within his rights to film the cops and the ambulances since the matter was of public interest under the First Amendment for those who don't know the first amendment protects the freedom of speech which includes the right to film or record in public spaces officer fiser during the encounter doesn't seem to provide Mr Gray the chance to explain why was he filming observe what happens next so what I'm going to do is do a report on this incident to rule you out as potential stalker for one of the employees if any of these employees get their vehicles damaged or anything I need to know where to look because it's not normal for somebody to be filming people exiting a hospital for all I know listen let me talk I'm talking not you go for all I know you are stalking somebody at the hospital either an employe I don't know that I don't know you I'm not don't know that so you don't have any reason grounds but I have to investigate engaged constitutionally protected activity I'm going to be on my way I'm leaving right now I need your driver's license I'm leaving right now no I'm doing a report because I don't know what you are or what you're doing if I don't give you my driver's license what's going to happen Okay listen sir I ask you a simple question exp to you and I've told you investigating person who is causing a disturbance at the ambulance is constantly running the stop sign private Hospital the ambulance is running theop all I know you could be stalking I don't know you okay I don't know if that's the truth you might be stalking or harassing an employee or a patron at the hospital I'm going to be doing a report officer fiser claims that if Mr Gray does not provide his identification details he will arrest him for obstruction however for those who don't know the fifth amendment protects individuals from being compelled to incriminate themselves which includes the right to remain silent and not provide identifying information to law enforcement watch how the interaction ends my name is Jeff I work p new Services go ahead and R youate you further provide me with your driver's license I don't have my driver's license on my name is Jeff I've asked you several times to step in front of my car front the camera okay okay stand right there all right now if you don't have a driver's license then I don't care I'm not here to harass you about being on the sidewalk I want this video camera behind you to watch you okay okay I want it to be catching all of this interaction you have yours that's great that's cool I look forward to seeing myself on YouTube again got to get back to work all right no I got to do my job you have caused me to come here that's what you've done so now I'm here performing my duties you're not going to interfere with my duties can I explain to you what I you're going to be providing me with your social security number your driver's license number if you know it your date of birth your address and your full name am I free to go no you are not and why am I being explain to you several times investigating a suspicious person am I going to be arrested if I don't are starting to interfere with my investigation I've explained to you I have to do a report on this and that's what I'm going to be doing so don't make this a crime allow this to be what it is where I do a report on the incident and that's it okay but if you want to interfere with me doing that my job I want you to do I want you your job if you interfere with and protr governmental operations do you have any questions about that no I do not okay good I'm going to be removing my notepad I'm going to request that information for are you going to provide it I'm not pro not if you don't provide it then I have already explained to you what I'm here what I'm doing what I'm investigating and the fact that I'm going to be doing a report which is part of my job and if you don't provide the information that I'm asking for for that report because you have caused this situation and me to be brought here yes you will be arrested for obstructing under stand by I need to get my notepad doesn't have to be this way I know who you are I know what you're doing okay I know what so you know who I am you know what I'm doing you know that I'm Eng constitutionally protected activity I don't know you specifically your qualified immunity is gone dude fisher fisher your qualified immunity is window suspicious person you're qualified a very suspicious act you qualified you say that all you want to there recording ambulances will you be quiet for a second for me to talk please this is can I tell you what I'm trying to officer Thomas I'm not worried about what the reason I was up there is wor about what you're ambulances are running here for you ambulances are running the stop sign ambulance are running the stop sign I'm documenting that that's why I'm doing that's great my name is Jeffrey Marcus gray Jeffrey how do you spell Jeffrey j e FF r e y and I'm doing this under protest under duress and under threat of arrest not threat explanation I've given you an explanation no you just said if I don't give you this don't give you this information your middle name Sir Marcus Marcus n a r c u s that's correct last name is spelled g r a y G A1 correct born January 8th 1970 187 where do you live uh I'm from St Augustine St Augustine yeah is that in Florida yep what brings you up to Dothan to film this uh I'm not answering you for the question Prov body to my name my date of birth that's fine that's all I'm giving and I've told you the reason I'm film it is to film where do you say that in St Augustine uh I'm not giving any more permission again I'm conducting an investigation on a suspicious person and if you are in fact conducting harassing somebody stalking somebody planning to assault Somebody by filming their uh freaking daily activities so you can plan your assault I want to know where you live so I can go and get you if that end ends up happening so what's your address my address is 190 one am I to what's your phone number I'm about to give you my phone number man hey look I'm doing a report it's one of my little things to get this report approved that it has your phone number you don't want to Prov me your phone number that's fine what's your social I'd rather not give you my social either well I have to positively identify you so what's yourself you don't have a driver's license or I would use that I don't have my driver's license okay then that's what I would normally use but since you don't have that I have to use all these people standing around I'm about to give step over here and go ahead and give it to me quietly so that way nobody hears do you want to put your phone on mute so YouTube doesn't hear no I'll just edit that out oh okay all right I got to get back to work man I'm only on my lunch break so the longer this takes the longer the worse it is on you the worse it is on me I'm going to run here okay you guys have body cers yes I'm still waiting on a return of your information in the meantime I'm going to go ahead and explain to you well actually first have I need to know were you on the sidewalk the entire time yes sir sidewalk so I'm going to advise you all right the hospital owns that side of the road and this parking lot and they don't want on the proper okay so obviously you know as well as I do that sidewalks and public roadways are obviously sidewalks and public roadways where you're allowed to be going take up too much of your time I'm just waiting on this return as long as they don't take too long I'll get you way if they start taking too long legi you got um body camera and dash camera yes sir I do as goes my part catch trying to put my hands I don't have any weapons on me I'm just going to get my hands out you good have a good rest of your day I'll Dro one of my cards down here may I retrieve that yeah go ahead okay which way can I go to not be I'm good to go up here and go down as long as you stay off the hospital property you're get to go sir all there's a sidewalk that runs along the hospital I'm not sure if that I'll just stay on this side of it however you decide all right after taking Mr Gray's details he was allowed to leave without any further complications it is not certain whether Mr Gray plans to pursue any legal action against officer fisherman can't be up here cuz I have patience and they have patient confidentiality this isn't a public area this right here is is medical you can do it on the street but these people are for vacations and it's medical I would ask if you please respect that that would be nice once I'm done documenting and all everything all good and take off really it would just be nice just don't cause a problem please go over there I'm not causing a problem I'm documenting your signs I don't want I'm going to call have you know trespassed also go for it do your think can you just leave please n BR my car are you one of those she she already said she's going to call the cops I'll wait for the cops are you one of those like 805 pop pages I don't know what that is what is that you just just talked cops I don't know what you're talking about this man was filming a public medical property when one of the staff didn't approve of him filming the area and the activities and threatened to call the cops on him however the man who isn't scared of the cops and knows his rights tried to explain that it is public property and he isn't infringing on anyone's privacy us where is he I want to make no trespassing so the parking lot's off limits to this private property this is this is a public forum this is a superior court man you know the Court's not hasn't been ran since not active right now well it's still a public forum man our tax tollers pay for this Museum over there what we're here to take care of the public what I'm not stopping you we can't have them you can't just you can't just tell people hey he's not doing anything wrong but we don't like what he's doing why why are you doing you can't do that but why are you doing it but you can't I was documenting your signs and you freaked out yeah cuz I I'm trying to here you can't take pictures of people we have to have it quiet it's privacy 4 he just doesn't have nothing better to do can't get a that's all it is oh is that all it isz you don't have a real job it's all good go ahead if you want to write out a trespass notice go for it I refuse to leave without a trespass notice thank you we went to school for a reason you're a Karen Ken that's all you are I sure am I'm way more money than you back to work Karen yes sharen I sure am oh good Karen sure everybody that boy needs a real job do you even get paid for this it's not your business so you just go here post on YouTube I don't know what you're talking about yeah you do nope you that 805 cop watch oh is that me me I didn't know that well I was asking I didn't assume I said are you minimum wage for you can't get a professional job guys don't look at the cops professional we're professional anybody who watch so this business doesn't want you on their property this is a public forum man our tax dollars pay for this it's a museum so no actually this is where they uh it's a medical through doing medical stuff here if you want to write me a trespass notice I'll leave okay yeah then can get your ID please no well then how am I supposed to write your TR you just put good citizen on it man that's not the way that works can I please have your ID nope can you give me your name Gabriel I'm not going can you for NOP no no what's your last name g nope nope what out here at the Vets vets Hall this is still a vets hall right is it I don't know what they're doing right now it's a public forum 100% Museum the public is welcome here these these people in the background just called the cops because I was documenting their signs which signs the go testing signs if you if you want to stay in recording you can you're going to violate people's privacy but that's uh up to you I suppose is that what I'm going to do what's your name sir oh you're the guy you're that one guy that didn't that ignored me huh I'm talking about the earlier interaction one hey Gabriel you need to stay further back from him okay don't be walking up that close to stop being scared man if it was my house scared McDonald different why does he feel the patience he doesn't have life get educated know the laws people know the laws before you start going into Caren mode feel good I hope people harass your sisters and your mom the way you're harassing us women camera is in harassment you have cameras on your building on you because you have cameras on your building you're just too stupid to notice you know what I hope you think you get some lot of use for this I'm glad you're going to learn today no no no I'm not it's okay you know what one of these days he's going to leave no one cares cuz he doesn't he's nobody one of these days I'm going to leave I'm going to leave really soon actually later come on once I'm done I'll leave like I said let's take care of these people come on you guys going to take care of you guys don't switch it into Karen mode bye Kevin bye h a l officer trying to kick me off of the public property later Bruins in the end the man owns and educates the cops but the woman who is obviously a Karen learns nothing I'm good right here are you pulling me over or both of us I'm fine right here you're not pulling me over right are you pulling me over you and him both you're both going 87 85 mph no we're not I got my cruise on you're on camera too okay so driver's license and registration please you're lying but you're pulling him over right you and him both you just told me you were pulling him over so yeah well he was going 87 you were going 85 I tell you to I got myu give your driver's license and your registration and insurance now you got to give me a minute for the registration but here's my license and you realize that how how can you see my speed he's right in front of me you're following him so here's what I did I H my front radar on him he was going 87 as soon as he passed it went to 85 on you I'd never stopped the radar uhhuh that's the way it is do you have a a print out of that now when make a traffic stop if you don't do as I say by pulling to the front of him by being behind me I'm trying to do I'm trying to make sure yeah it is cuz it's officer safety you're obstructing my safy is not aot so I want you to pull the front of him you're behind me I can make sure that I can you quote me the the law for that the code I'm not going to pull the law for that then there is no law for order it is a lawful order stop to be a code for for officer safety there is no code I don't care just like there's no code for public safy why is it that you do what I tell you to I'm with him okay it's not safe for me to just pull up ahead I don't exactly go to the FR of people because if you had a gun or something like that you could always what are you so scared of what do you mean what am I scared of that's the way we we maintain our off everybody's out to get you that is the way we maintain our offic I don't know who you are I don't know where your officer safety issue is ridiculous you realize that you guys have like one of because you dangerous jobs you just won't Cooper I don't have to cooperate because you didn't pull me over you pulled him over where's your registration and insurance it's a work truck so you're going to bear with me here I don't know why you got to get so mad about it cuz really it's just I'm with him we're on a road trip delivering these two trucks so what's the problem with me just sitting back back here waiting for you to do your job problem with me asking you to pull the front with him it's not it's really it's not safe for me to do that don't want to do when I'm already pulled over that's just that's the issue you just don't want to do because it's ridiculous there's no reason for it when I'm already pulled over you're not because you are pull because I pulled your friend over no you're mad because you got to be you you think you need to be scared when you're the one with the guns scared that is how we maintain our OB off safety if I if I do all my traffic stops in every different way possible officer safety is Officer officer cowardice is it officer coward yes it is have you ever police offic my job is more dangerous than your job is it yes I climb Towers who you are what you do CL verify that where's your registration and insurance I don't know you're going to have to give me some time work truck so it's not my personal truck [Music] registration there's a insurance stand by you kidding me [Music] what the what is he doing that's him on July 23rd 2021 a man recorded a traffic stop on the Nevada Highway conducted by Trooper Boer of the Nevada Highway Patrol the trooper had pulled over the man's coworker whose vehicle he had been following the man pulled over behind the Troopers vehicle to wait for the traffic stop to conclude so they could continue their Journey however things took an unexpected turn as Trooper Boer attempted to assert his authority during the stop the interaction began with the man questioning whether he was also being pulled over alongside His companion who was accused of speeding at 87 mph the man denied the accusation stating that he had his cruise control on Trooper Boer insisted on seeing his driver's license in registration leading to a debate about the legality of the Stop and the officer's instructions you got a supervisor give me one second um do you hey actually is your body camera on body camera is on okay what's your badge number your name I'll give that all to you on a card you can verbalize it I'm going to give it to you it's a lie you you're supposed to verbalize it I'm going to give it ver ID is provide it to you I have to do I'm going to explain your citation someone has vision problems violation Reas anybody that has Vision vision problems is the reason why you're supposed to verbally identify have vision problems it doesn't matter if I do or not okay it's for anybody well I don't know about that anyway I'm going to give you this your violations there that's your total Justice Court your violation is for Speed we're going 85 and a 70 I'm going to give you a violation Citation for 80 and a 70 what's your name andge right down here what's your name and badge number are you going to fail to identify I'm not going to fail to identify I'm providing you the information identify please verbally now the wells Justice Court the phone number is right there and identify pleas I give it to this you're not aop if you don't verbally identify you're not your options and your instruction how to pay how to contest whatever you choose my information ising officer huh who's your supervisor my information is down here I'm providing that information to you who's your supervisor have a safe day yeah during the interaction Trooper Boer comes across as embarrassingly rude and condescending he appears to want to assert his power based on his badge and gun but he meets his match in the man who is well educated and aware of his rights the man refuses to be intimidated and insists on proper procedures such as verbal identification what's your name and badge number I need you guys to verbally identify we're not going to play these stupid games either that or give me your card both of you and it's not a it's not a request it's a demand I need your name and badge number or your card it's your job you guys just not like following the law you're out here trying to enforce laws and you're not even going to follow the law yourself you're not following the law not you're not verbally identifying yourselves by not doing that you're not [ __ ] you realize that my information not verbally is that a big problem yes it's a huge problem in this whole country you know that don't play dumb you're going to yes you are playing dumb look at your condescending look you're condescend I'm not condescending I'm demanding your ID verbally for anybody that might have vision problems that's the reason for it you know that you guys going to fail to ID both of you than you okay what's your badge number 371 thank you how about you I sorry Boyer I was Boyer Boyer Boyer and what was the number again 443 443 okay why was that so hard I don't know why is it so hard to do I have to I didn't have to no I didn't was it a lawful order if it was quote me the law quote me the law quote me the law off you didn't pull me over you pulled him over if you're not then you're obstructing no it's not obstructing is a physical act a physical act not verbal don't play dumb really you can let go of your ego it makes things run a lot smoother if you know if you're courteous I'll be courteous back to you if you're an I'm going to be right back to you there ain't no law against that and you know it that's the first amendment you guys got a supervisor supervisor's name and phone number right there okay can you uh how long would it take him to get here he's not working today yep I guarantee it supervisor that comes who your supervisor right now that's that is working he is my supervisor for this District I get you another sergeant from Elco can I talk another sergeant from question you're you're my servant I'm not your servant you understand that that's how it works that's how the law works I'm going to get you another how about you just call them out here cuz this is ridiculous about an hour and a half an hour and a half really yeah wow you is that really now wow you guys are funny you realize there's cops getting fired all over the country for this kind losing your pensions losing your job even going to jail qualified immunity is going away you realize that I mean if I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure isn't already gone in Nevada you guys are out here acting like you're the boss of the road but you're not you're public servants law enforcement not feelings enforcement your feeling about me being in your way when I wasn't is your your problem not mine I don't have to move just because you don't like me there I mean if I'm wrong quote me the law the code and that you you can't do that tells me that I'm right and you're full of I say anyway no I'm just trying to get you to give me a straight answer and you don't want to do that you want me you want me to pull the law pull you the law yeah me a lot it tells me I have to move the interaction between Trooper Boyer and the Man shows a clear Clash over how things should be done and who's accountable the man keeps pushing Trooper Boyer questioning if his commands are even legal and asking for the specific laws that say he has to follow he's basically saying prove to me that what you're asking for is legit showing he knows his rights and what's expected from law enforcement just step down here for me yeah no no hey who who w I didn't do anything you just pin into my house without a warrant I'm away from you just did is there any gun in your back pocket I just want to make sure we're safe we're safe okay I'm not coming outside can we call can we talk right here sure we can jack come here record this come on outside record this come outside Jack record this grab my phone and record this whoa I'm injured okay cooperate I am cooperating you're violating my Fourth Amendment right stop outside you're violating my Fourth Amendment right you guys canot come in here without on September 29th 2019 three officers responded to a call about a disagreement in the neighborhood 15-year-old Jack son of Michael had been riding a gas powered bicycle when a neighbor stopped him and threatened to beat him up the neighbor who reported the disagreement allegedly stated that Michael came into the altercation with a gun rather than deescalate the situation the police officers only made things worse for everyone when they arrived can I help you hello are you uh Michael hi uh can I help you something yeah uh we're here about a your name officer Rodriguez uh first name Jim Jim how are you Jim and your name let's go ahead and talk about the incident that you had out here a few minutes ago don't know what you're talking about okay step down here for me nothing yeah no no hey whoa whoa who I didn't do anything you just pin into my house without a warrant you're away from you you just did is there any gun in your back pocket I just want to make sure we're safe we're safe okay I'm coming outside can we call can we talk right here you sure we can jack come here record this come on outside record this come outside Jack record this grab my phone and record this whoa I'm injured okay cooperate I am cooperating you're violating my fourth amend stop outside you're violating my fourth amendment righty you guys cannot come in here without after invoking his Fifth Amendment and refusing to speak the officers dragged Michael out of his home little did they know that the man had trained his son to be a force armed with all the laws of the Constitution they were about to be humbled by a 15-year-old this is unbelievable no I know this is unb walk in the house without a search warant this is unbelievable it's all on film get my camera it's on my phone too it's on my phone he the whole thing is on film the whole thing is on film Jack follow me and record follow me in the court give us space I'm not give us space okay Jack what's your space what's your space Jack Jack record the whole record give us space does this look like enough space you saw that you saw the whole thing it's all been recorded it is I didn't resist I didn't do it you know see he acknowledged that I didn't resist Jack yeah I have on video I didn't resist we asked you to stop right I didn't I didn't do anything against your instructions you came this guy came into my house without a warrant without any probable cause talk for a second I said I don't know anything and he tackled me in my house he told you to stop right he did not say anything of the sort off whole thing on video it's all on video it's all on video it is dude he that guy is out of control I'm finally complaining against I want him nowhere near me that guy is crazy off me and you right okay yeah I'm fine no no he can talk he can talk I can talk because I was in a situation him no I'm not going to arrest okay then calm down then just what what to talk to you he recorded the whole thing this guy is out of control okay what's your B what's what's your name step back he just touch you can record all you want but you're stepping back right now hey hey don't touch me stop harassing me trying I'm videoing this you please get out of my personal SP no yes you're you're not going to you're not going to interfere with what we're doing this is my property you're not going to interfere with an arrest I'm chill I've been chill you can record all you want but you're not going to get close to what I'm on my property move out my person I'm going to stand right here s please move I'm going to stand right here please move you're in my personal space what's your name yeah I do not need to give you that yeah you do for what reason you're invol this I'm involved with this yes but this guy threatened me and called the cops on you and what's your what's your badge number what's your name what's your badge number badge number that says name 3K 12 Okay now what's your name I'm not making any statements you're not making anys nope okay I have the right to identify you you understand that right then you can search up my face and you can search up my record okay well you're going to sit tight for me you're going anywhere I can go in my house if I want am I detained you're detained for what reason for what that guy threatening me why isn't that guy going to jail that guy threatened to beat me in his ass so why aren't you guys arresting him that's not the why AR you yeah he can just lie Jack step back and keep recording I'm literally in my space and this guy's just touching me I didn't touch you at all I have it on video I've been recording this whole time buddy me for right now you're under arrest for resistance well I already know your name is Jack and I'll get it your last name officer Thor tried to get Jack to identify himself by using language that suggested that this was necessary what he didn't know was that he wasn't dealing with a normal 15-year-old but one who knew his rights the cops tried another tactic to get Jack to stop recording but it wasn't going to work step back do not step forward what did I just tell you please get out of my space I do not have to you cannot interfere with what we're doing I'm not interfering when I'm on my property don't step towards the car I'm not then you did step towards the car I told you not to run from us okay what's your name officer where okay and what's your name who you went over this officer Proctor okay I I didn't go over it don't can't hey hey hey stay back I'm going in my house stay back I'm going if you try and come past me you're going to go on the ground face first you understand okay and then I'm going to file a complaint against you get your camera go grab your camera yes I'm allowing you to do that but you cannot walk in my house there you go okay bye I have three cops on me and I'm 15 years old cuz you guys intruded my house your attitud so you were the one driving up and down the street on the motorcycle uh I was on my gas bicycle okay that's gas powered vehicle you have to have a driver's license um no you don't not when it's 50 cc and you have a permit for it [Music] [Music] I'm standing next to my car so I'm going to go talk to over here can I go around him yeah go ahead please don't walk up behind me okay um I asked him so did they threaten to like beat did he threaten to beat us up or anything yes what did he what did he goes he goes that bike is legal I said no it's not it's a 50c receive bicycle and I have a permit for it and he said get out of the way he was on his little road bike he said get out of the way I'm going to beat your ass so I don't if you guys want to believe him and we have two witnesses he has zero okay calm down calm down calm down no I'm pissed off cuz you guys just came in our house but we tried to come here to ask a question and figure out what was going on because what we got told is a gun was involved in this incident so we're going to take this a little no no gun was involved not at all I don't know why we don't know that when we get we don't know that that's that's what I'm saying understand yes I totally understand that but you can't just tackle him but when he's told to stop he has to stop that's a lawful command by an officer we can get physical okay but you can't just come in the house without we have to control this situation do you have a search War we don't need a search yes you do you want to go to school and learn the law I already know the law this statement from Jack pretty much summed up everything that was happening the police were trying to violate his and his father's rights and he wasn't having it many adults would have a problem standing their ground in a high press situation like this but this 15-year-old did just fine even though Michael had done nothing wrong the officers made up charges to arrest him including failure to identify interfering and disorderly conduct however the cops were about to get a dose of their medicine an internal investigation showed that officers Rodriguez Thor and wear had violated five three and one department policies respectively officers Rodriguez and Thor were issued corrective actions which they didn't complete and were thus terminated no I don't need get away from my car get away from my car it's not your car it's the people's car you don't own that this is Officer VOR and officer Ryan jaser from the Kalamazoo police department on September 28th 2022 they approached two citizens near Checker restaurant in cazo Michigan when the individual saw the cops approaching them from way ahead they were alerted and decided mutually to ignore them watch how their efforts unfold silent treatment silent treatment absolutely was one of those does sound pretty good I know we'll have to go to another location yeah we probably hit Battle Creek there we go that's yeah we can do that go to Battle Creek I like those mushroom swis the spicy are we not being yeah that most swis does sound we're just trying to have a conversation we're not trying to yell at you guys I do like the crunch WRA Supreme I like the cheesy be and rice what's going on I like the burrito supreme it's it's they're you five bucks for that really must be the extra s cre we just have a about this right I always add extra sour cream so that puts it over $5 yeah really it does mhm just for one simple burrito that I can make it home for like 50 cents right right crazy it is crazy totally insane gentlemen can we can we have a conversation about what's going on I just at least want to have a talk with you for those who don't know as Citizens you have a constitutional right to remain silent in front of the police or law enforcement only a judge can order you to answer questions or forcefully speak at least the sing round out that to go there it is yeah it is nice that way we don't have to mute our our volume right I was worried about that at first but it didn't travel this far I was worried that the music was going to travel over here but it didn't she's so she's so mad it's like they won't talk to me smiling over yeah later both of these citizens with their active citizenry approached the cops near their Cruiser where a strange encounter unravels now [Music] look that one's on the street ain't it yeah that one's on a street sure is see if they left that cat open H you think you are get away from my car no I don't need you get away from my car get away from my car it's not your car it's the people's car you don't own that I'm not my I guess yeah you don't own the car we can we can be near the car asked me to move maybe I would have moved me to get away from the car it don't work that way like this you can record if you want but you can we yeah we we can absolutely record inside the car you don't just demand people get away from your car it's not your car it's actually the people of cazo an officer safety concern for me no that officer safety my ass not opening my door safy yeah what law is Officer safety seat now what law is Officer safety sir no you are being ridiculous coming out here telling me orders when I don't have to follow your orders I didn't break no law no I don't you're wrong honey at this point I'm asking is that a lawful order is that a lawful order to step away from your vehicle is that a is that a lawful order do you you have the lawful authority to make that order at this point I don't know what you are doing I do not trust your pretty obvious I do not trust pretty obvious well that's your problem not mine I don't trust your actions you you got shoot people I have never you guys shoot people I've never shot anybody okay well cops shoot people you're a cop and other 4592 and other people shoot people as well yeah sure do but mostly it's the cops that shoot people and get away with it yeah I can't see that you know too dark but I can see that one yeah you shouldn't just bark orders at people well in public at this point you should be nice like could you could you step could you step could you step aside so I could get my vehicle sir that would that should that should be how you treat the public not get away from my vehicle but I don't I didn't want to talk to you over there I didn't want to talk to you over there and I'm not required to right I didn't want to talk to you over there and I'm not required to to beite I know you was but I'm still not required to talk to you I didn't call you they called you you weren't being polite you were interrupting our conversation yeah you should have went over there and talked to them first before coming up to to us because they called you not us you're you're I there is no my side get out of here and just leave you alone there is no my side I'm on a public sidewalk doing what I'm lawfully allowed to do that's that what we told them actually defending what you were doing at this point though I cannot defend this oh I don't I don't need you to defend anything the Constitution defends what I'm doing you should worry about will the Constitution defend what you do and walking out and being rude and barking orders at civilians that either one of us break Constitution is not going to back you up on that at this point like I said officer safety I officer safy while I was it if if you're so scared you shouldn't have became a cop you should have went into the private sector if you're so scared not everybody's a threat out here but you guys look at everybody like they're a threat neither one of us broke a lck correct no not correct or incorrect I answered the first part of your question nobody broke the law okay so cool neither of us what's what's your name and badge number I didn't hear it I'm sorry Ryan Ryan Jagger like Mick Jagger awesome 1493 appreciate you brother I love the stash by the way man both officer vori and officer Ryan Jagger are baffled by the conversation the citizens put up overall the citizens were right that the police car is generally not the cop's personally owned car but have I suspected a Comm crime for legal reason so that's a traffic stop that's a traffic issue do me favor step out write me a ticket so I can go by my way I'm not stepping out the vehicle bro I didn't do nothing out of the I didn't do absolutely nothing tell you to step out the if you pull me out this vehicle I'm going to file a lawsuit bro this is Officer belush from the Cumberland Police Department on May 19th 2023 officer belush accompanied by several officers pulled over an individual in Cumberland Maryland allegedly for not stopping before exiting the gas station's parking observe how the encounter unravels as the deputies approach the driver why would I F make a complete stop when there's oncoming traffic that just sounds [ __ ] stupid he pulled in the [ __ ] parking lot the whole time watching me we're going to do a scan of the vehicle so step out of theic what for what have I been suspected of committing a crime we we can scan any vehicle we want as long as but have I suspected to commit a crime for legal reason that's a traffic stop that's a traffic issue do me favor step write me a ticket so I can go by my way I'm not stepping out the vehicle bro I didn't do nothing out the I didn't do absolutely nothing tell you to step out of the if you pull me out this vehicle I'm going to file a lawsuit bro you violate my rights to do that if you don't step out I will out of the car well you going to have to take me out I'm not legally getting out my vehicle when I haven't done anything wrong absolutely nothing I pulled over the other morning going to work for my headlight right I fixed it you want to check it I fixed it if you can pull that up I fixed the headlight okay I just came from I just came from my house get gas got me a soda got my oil change I seend you pull into the [ __ ] sheets I balling the car the whole time I don't know why y'all keep pulling me over I'm out here working cuz I'm in a [ __ ] Union that's why I got Mississippi taged that's the whole reason you pulling me over I drive the other car you pull me over in it you pull my old lady over in it all well if you ridiculous step out we're going to scan the car what you going to scan the car for you can look and see there ain't nothing in the car okay or you giveing me consent to search vehicle no I'm not giving you nothing okay then step out of the vehicle no I'm not call your supervisor man call your supervisor step out the I want to speak to your supervisor please call your supervisor call your super call your supervisor I'm telling you you pull me out the car you [ __ ] up that's all I'm telling you my people's working McAn and mlan Virginia I'm telling you you pull me out the car you [ __ ] up you're making a big mistake the officers expressed their interest in searching the vehicle despite the driver claiming that he hadn't committed any wrongdoings for those who don't know the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution protects citizens against unreasonable searches and seizures watch what the officers are about to do next the issue is you're making a big mistake for legal reason you stopped me cuz you said I pulled up no you didn't come to the car you didn't come to the car and said sir you smell like alcohol you smell like marijuana none of that none of that you just go to your car telling me I P you pulling me over for a traffic stop go to your car and then 10 police [ __ ] pull up like I'm supposed to be [ __ ] scared or something I done been through this plenty of my life out car I'm not stepping out I'm not stepping out of [ __ ] that's my right dude you don't know your [ __ ] you don't I'm done talking I'm done talking you going to step out of the car now I'm I'm not stepping out of [ __ ] no no okay give me your supervisor let me and him talk all right cool your sergeant whoever's in charge it's [ __ ] I'm not stepping out of [ __ ] once I step out the vehicle I lose my right I'm not [ __ ] stupid what right would you whatever dude you being recorded we're being record you're more than wel to record I know I am that's my right too okay so I let me roll down the window for him so he can see he can smell everything's [ __ ] clean this my work vehicle you see my fishing pose I like the fish you been fishing I'm about to go bu me a [ __ ] boat soon the wrong button there buddy yeah look in there ain't nothing in here but work [ __ ] tools fishing po a battery from my truck that I just sold charg it up for this guy that's it I don't nothing whatever y'all perception is why y'all keep pulling me over it's going to [ __ ] stop after today it's going to stop falling traffic rules I follow traffic rules well if I haven't followed traffic rules check my driving record check my driving record that that that tells you a lot if I hav't yes it does yes it does y'all on 68 every all day so I follow my traffic rules dude so I have way more tickets y'all just [ __ ] with me for no reason which I'm with it because I need some money for free money you want to give it to me I'm going to get it so I don't need the money I work for a Liv no you don't no you don't I haven't did anything wrong sir I haven't did anything wrong I let y'all slide on on uh 68 when y'all pull me in my little girl out the car one night I let y'all have that that officer he's no longer working with you guys I let y'all have that I'll let y'all have I didn't f and I really had y'all to the left then dead to the left I didn't my auntie told me you say but I'm not getting out the car man I ain't did nothing what you want me do I have a warrant I have warrant all right then the reason we want I ain't did nothing listen to me but I haven't did nothing listen to me and I'll explain this I'm listening the reason we want you out of the vehicle is because it is their policy that the occupants of the vehicle have to be out of the vehicle while they do the K9 scan what they doing the K9 scan for we can scan any vehicle we want what so why didn't the lady that uh pull me over the other morning why didn't she do the same process I had no idea I wasn't there and my headlight was out and I haven't done anything wrong anything different officers howy you wouldn't been that back there eyeballing me and and go around the corner you would have seen me the dog ain't alerting nothing he came to the they pulled me over for it's just an illegal stop sir if you're the sergeant or Lieutenant what did they pull you over he said he pulled me over because I didn't stop coming out of sheets which is stupid there's traffic coming why wouldn't I stop sir I can't answer that why wouldn't I stop me do me a favor take take the keys out of first of all he pulled in looking at my vehicle while I'm pumping gas are you the sergeant I am if he stopped you for not stopping then that's the problem cause for what we're doing this is a traffic stop why can't he just write me a ticket and I go by my way for what though for what is the reason what do we typically Run Dog drugs okay but he haven't said anything about drugs when he come to the car he never said once he suspected me doing anything sir why why is it necessary for us to argue about this it's not if you have if you have nothing in because if I'm telling you I haven't done anything wrong and he's saying that I have it's his word against mine I haven't done anything and if you have nothing worry about you can let them do their job here and you can go about your business they you scan the car around I'm not getting out though once the dog alerts they it ain't going to alert well that that you just automatically saying the dog's going to alert that's what just saying you're on camera I said if no you're pretty much telling me that that's I said if the dog Al you that's like you're pretty much saying you you just telling me what you going to do weather or away it don't matter what y'all do man there's nothing in the vehicle can you can you at least turn your ignition off on me there's nothing in the vehicle so you just going to want to violate my go ahead and violate them yes it is you you just going to violate the right you can open the back door and let them in if you want you can open the door and let them in they searching to put the k9ine around the car y'all what reason I don't know didn't say anything about nothing when he pulled me over but all of a sudden he want me out of my vehicle to search my car when I have done anything wrong nothing absolutely nothing absolutely nothing this is my work vehicle I fish in it I work on people's [ __ ] I just got a oil change look just got a oil change recent just 10 minutes ago and he going to tell me I pull out of the sheets without stopping when there's [ __ ] oncoming traffic what sense does that make you tell me this is America we living in right where you been fishing at and we good this is America this is [ __ ] [ __ ] they going to violate me like this [ __ ] I'm a taxpaying [ __ ] citizen this is what we got to deal with in America it's [ __ ] I shouldn't have to go through this shouldn't have to [ __ ] go through I I didn't go to work because I was [ __ ] sick today went and got blood work and [ __ ] done got my oil changed and now I have to deal with some stupid [ __ ] like this kermel and PD no wonder they got the petition out on that [ __ ] ass officer whoever the [ __ ] he is it's going to be some more some lawsuit coming free [ __ ] money by the way sir I've been fishing at Jennings Randolph Lake how's it been I catching some big ass bass I'm about to go buy me a boat here shortly soon as y'all let me go and that's how we doing yes sir I'm the K9 guy yep I just scan the vehicle he alerted didn't no yeah cuz obviously now cuz I mentioned he was he didn't it's [ __ ] man nothing to getting Sho personally nothing at all it's just the way y'all treat people out here for absolutely nothing it's [ __ ] ridiculous and it has nothing to do with you personally careful got a bus coming through what's your officer what's your name sir fuch b a l u c h he's been cool you can finish what you was telling me uh so sorry cut you off bro so like I said dog didn't alert the vehicle but I always interview anybody after I scan whether the dog alerts or not just cuz I want to make sure the dogs do when he's supposed to so there's never been any drugs in the car or nothing like that no all right work for me no drugs in the car sir this is my work car where you work at I work for triton construction you see that that um one way they putting in downtown down on Baltimore they put we putting in a oneway street I work for that company okay but I'm I'm on the hagertown side we building the bridge out on 70 is this a fleet vehicle then what do you mean by that like I just seen the Missouri place you from Miss no it's Mississippi Tags I'm with the Union so I travel for work okay all right man appreciate it I'm free to go they be with okay but as far as the dog stuff you're done they just have to finish your warning or whatever they're doing and then thank you sir n they don't need to give me no warning he need to write me a [ __ ] ticket because they keep giving me warnings but he keep saying I keep violating the law sorry with your warning here another warning I've done nothing I don't feel like warning but here's your warning yep here's your information yep have a good day yep I'm on my way to the pre SE now following the K9 dog's inspection of the vehicle's exterior no unusual items were detected consequently the deputies issued the driver a written warning and permitted them to depart from The Scene It remains uncertain whether whether the driver intends to Lodge a complaint against the officers involved in the traffic stop during the 1776 Freedom march on July 1st 2017 at the Austin Capital civilian CJ Grisham was harassed for the possession of a firearm and responded accordingly what's up how you doing why we no I'm going up to my rally no you can come in there I can no you can't yes I can you can have pistols on Capital grounds just hold on just a second I'm talking to you I don't want to talk to you I have no reason to talk to you no I'm detaining you right now what are you detaining me for because you because you have a a weapon that is I have a pistol our pistol is not allowed on Capital grounds then leave me alone sir you stop I am not going to stop if you arrest me for having a lawful pistol this is not going to look good on you guys you better call your boss right now you stop right there or you you stop bothering me and get out of my way get out of my way sure do you know what a pistol looks like do you even know what the law is get your hands off me sir you stand right if you touch me again I will defend myself do you understand okay try it I said if you touch me again I will defend myself do you understand that that kind of weapon it's not allowed at the this kind of weapon is allowed here cuz it's a pistol so off sorry when the female Trooper wouldn't stop harassing him he then threatens to defend himself with his weapon as she was already getting verbally hostile a senior colleague then steps in and takes her away leaving her owned by Grisham and it's a wrap I'm sorry I can help you is there anyone else in here uh no it's just me okay you mind just opening the door that way I can see uh you trying to what you trying to look for I just want to make sure there's no one else in there start and then I'll talk to you no there's no one in there right now okay come out here and talk to me then yeah so I'm G to be honest with you so we got a report that um you were seen walking into your dorm with alcohol I'll call in there uh I don't answer questions what's your name and your badge number officer purle NMSU police title and name a security officer oh security officer okay okay do you have an ID with you uh I do okay can I see it uh you suspect me of a crime I do okay what crime and how can you articulate it minor imposition of alcohol we got her part that you were walked in so it's a hear that they say they said thing okay it's a yeah right it's like they said that he has and that that's how you're going to articulate it so we don't have to go down this route if you want to if you want to go down this route we can well I really don't but like you're I'm studying right now I'm doing homework get knocked on my door I'm out here I want to know what's on you say that they they said that there's alcohol in this room oh they saw me going into this room and that there's alcohol in there how can you articulate it though okay so that's why I'm here talking to you yeah okay so I still need an ID you uh no and then we need to go from there you have to you have to suspect me of a crime I I do you you you realize that uh cops in New Mexico don't have qualified immunity right I do that I do okay so from from here and on just let's just be careful in what you were about to do right now you're saying that you want my ID but right now you're not you or yourself can articulate a crime I've committed okay so so I already explained to you why I'm here why I need your ID I I know what you're here but okay is my ID going to tell you if there's alcohol in that room no but I still need to identify you my name is Joel Joel what Joel I need your first last name in your date of birth no you don't I do if you don't want to provide that you don't want to call officer Donovan or one of your supervisors here yeah I can get a sergeant over calling up because right now this is not what you want to do right now cuz this is a violation of my fourth amendment okay all right let me let me get a sergeant over here okay yeah 22 22 sare oh I'm yeah that's right room okay you want to just hang out out here then is he detained no it's fine I just don't want anyone going in the room you can go in then if if he's not detained he's free to go yeah he's free to go but he can't go in the room you can't no not at this time all right just just let it be bro just they someone called and said that they saw us or me walk in there with the case of beer but that's all they have so so it's an investigation I'm talking to him he doesn't want to identify himself so until we get this figured out there's a sergeant on the way that's going to talk to him until this gets figured out I don't want anyone to go in the room you're free to go anywhere else that's fine you're not detained or anything but that's what's going on is anything going to happen if I don't identify myself you can be arrested for concealing identity yes so okay so you that's what you I want you to say if you don't ID to me right now if I don't give you my ID that you're going to arrest me I want you to give me that ultimatum so just hold on you want to wait you said you wanted to wait to speak to a supervisor so let's just do that all okay then okay thank you and keep your hands out of your pockets for me officer purle is looking into a report about alcohol being in a dorm room and goes to talk to a 19-year-old law student who's the main person suspected the student asks why he's under investigation and won't talk without knowing the officer's name and badge number officer purle explains that he thinks the student might have alcohol as a minor based on what was reported the student questions this suspicion saying there's no proof in asking for a clear explanation of what crime he's accused of he also mentions qualified immunity saying there needs to be a good reason before he gives his ID things get more intense until officer purle agrees to bring in a supervisor to sort things out further hi hi name and badge number please Sergeant John love La my badge number is 212 212 all right thank you uh officer said here that if I don't ID I will be subject to arrest is that true it's possible yes possible yes or no I need I need that ultimatum or else I won't give my ID okay so technically right now yes you could be arrested could I need a yes or no like I need you to tell me if you don't give me your ID right now I'm going to arrest you why why would I say that to you because I need that ultimatum cuz right now you're asking yes and I have the right to say no cuz you're asking you're not it's not a lawful order I need you to make it a lawful order detained for suspicion of minor um in possession of alcohol mhm we need to see your ID okay and if not and if not you could be considered coning identity cuz New Mexico statute says that concealing of identity is a secondary charge I would have to have been arrested or suspected of a crime right now you hear just hear arrested or suspected you're being suspected of a on what on what grounds okay so do you have any alcohol in your possession I don't answer questions on what grounds okay so you don't have any alcohol in your possession on walk grounds I don't answer questions I W out yeah that's her room bro n it's start they're trying to go in bro they're trying to ID me and but n okay so who are you talking to I'm recording you you're recording you're not involed at all so if you want to hang out you can't that's fine uh so here's the deal by saying could what we are trying to do is we're trying to be cooperative with you and have you be cooperative with us and help us clear this matter up okay I gave them my name well what's your last name you don't need my last name and you do not need my date of birth unless you want to run me for unless you want to run my name through your system are you trying to run my name through the system have warrants for your arrest is I don't answer questions I don't answer questions I'm asking questions I don't it's my fifth amendment is it or is it not okay so the question is is that like the officer told you you're being suspected of having possession of of alcohol underage so in that case the easiest way to prevent this is for you to let us know either you have you got somebody saw you carry a case of beer you have case of beer in your possession I don't answer questions okay all right um so the other the next the next step in this process would be would you give us consent to check your room nope to make sure that you have no alcohol in your possession I do not consent to any serges nor seizures okay very good all right all right um this is completely up to you how you want to play this you could get a warrant or you could so you have probable cost right now we do have reasonable suspicion that possibly a crime had been committed we're trying to investigate that mhm you're certainly welcome to refuse if you wish I know but we need to ID you or and if we do not if you do not present your identification you can face it a onra citation you're saying could I need you to say you I'm giving you the opportunity to no I need that ultimatum I will give you my idea if you say that I'm going to go get arrested if I don't give it to you so you'll give us if we say that if you say that yes sir cuz that's already grounds for me to set up litigation against you so you're threatening to sue us I ain't threaten nothing brother that's what you just said it's not a threat it gives you grounds it's not a threat it gives me grounds does it or does it not I don't answer questions okay so the easiest and simplest solution to this is for you to tell us your name date of birth Joel Joel what Joel okay by just saying Joel there's a thousand Joels I need the last name of the date of birth you're going to run confirm are for the report I need to have your name and date ofth I didn't even have to give you my first name for that report you could literally put the citizen or the or the guy or the suspect yes you can do work like that yes it does I'm a law student here you're not going to come over here and try to violate my rights so I'm not trying to violate your rights I'm trying to be cooperative with you and you be Cooper cooperate with me and except that I'm not going to give my ID unless I'm going to I'm going to get arrested say it and I'll give you my ID just say if you don't give me your ID I'm going to arrest you so you want us to threaten you yes I want you to give me that ultimatum if you really want the ID threaten you that's not how this is why because you know you can't you know you don't have that ultimatum you know you can't because you know that opens up for litigation am I able to go there and to make this clear I'm detained right now right great thank you you have to stay over oh no I can't I'm in your view I'm telling you you need to stay over here just keep recording Sean don't let him intimidate you Sergeant love lace the supervisor arrives to address the situation the 19-year-old student asks for his name and badge number which sergeant love lace provides the student then asks if he'll be arrested Ed for not providing ID wanting a clear answer before cooperating Sergeant Lovelace confirms that not providing ID could lead to arrest the student insists on a direct ultimatum before complying Sergeant loveles then explains the suspicion of minor alcohol possession and the need for ID the student continues to question the grounds for suspicion and refuses to answer certain questions the situation becomes more tense as the student insists on a clear ultimatum before cooperating oh let me take my hand out my pocket thank you there's two guys right here with Glocks and scared of a scared of a 19-year-old with the phone bro oh I'm not scared of a 19-year-old with the phone I have come on man don't do that okay seriously that's just pocket do you see something in my pocket well we would like for you to you do that for us just to be cooperative okay just to be cooperative like just like for you to say what you want me to do are you googling the loss right now cuz that's really what she should be doing right now all right you okay with that yeah continue read are you sure you're okay with that yeah I give you a permission oh thank you very much yeah it's okay I appreciate it for me right now okay so sure you have a class at the end or what okay so here okay so here's why we need your name and date of birth I'm going to read you the law because you are a law student okay according to New Mexico it's all being recorded yeah I know my body rning so I'm I'm going use my my own so concealing identity consists of concealing one's true name or Identity or disguising oneself with the intent to obstruct the due execution of the law am I obstructing or yes technically you are with the intent to intimidate hinder or interrupt any public officer mhm or any person in illegal performance of his duties or exercise of his rights under the law of the United States okay so your investigation is investigating that I'm in possession of alcohol right that's exactly if I don't give you if I give you my IDs I going to tell you if I do or do not have alcohol in that room or is it just a way with something no the ID is so that we can identify who we are talking to if you wish to deny us access to that room that is totally within your rights but you refusing to identify yourself To Us by name and birth yeah full name mhm date of birth that is concealing identity yeah okay okay so just tell me that if I don't give you the ID you're going to arrest me just say it show us your ID we need to see your ID or you will be arrested thank you yall got that right yeah yeah you got that pigs for real why do you use that term cuz why the are you searching my like we're not searching that's that's Seas of my identification is it or is it not it's not a seizure we cedure of my identification yes or no we just need to see who you are in order to go investigation told you name legal name your first name what is my Joel not the legal name or what Joel what he has my ID go look at it perfect that's all we needed thank you that's all we needed mhm go down here real quick please am I able to go in my room no not yet just hold up for just a minute please guys okay so he's denying us for consent to sege that's but we have him so we're going to take her make sure we take a report yep and then um so basically we got called some that suspected him of having alcohol in his dorm room carrying a case ofan okay it's 19 years old um we will take a case report on it okay um there will be a case number drawn pretty much basically he's pushing the issue on the consing identity but now that we've now that we've negated that we don't have to do any we will take a report just to document the thank you okay any questions uh just the report yeah we'll get that here we'll get that here in just all right thank you appreciate it Jo okay have a you guys can go to your room thank you maintenance if we really wanted to push the issue we could stop and lock the room down and get a get a search warrant um but we have an anonymous complaint so it's really kind of really kind of one of those things that's up in the air we don't want to we don't want to do thaty I appreciate you though you're a professional thanks a lot for that he questions if Sergeant love lace is looking up laws online and eventually gives permission for that Sergeant love lace then explains the legal definition of concealing identity and the purpose of asking for the student's ID the student insists on a direct ultimatum before complying and Sergeant love lace provides it leading to the student reluctantly giving his ID right here just listening to yeah you're listening all right anything else I can help you guys with just going stand around and get paid yeah sure you just going to stand around and get paid brother yeah yeah like I think we just prove some racist I'm going to get complaints on both of your and chief Donovan is going to know about this that he knows who I am chief Donovan knows you Chief Donovan knows who I am okay very all right app it fck up for real have a nice day yeah and did you find anything with that IDE brother did you find out if there's alcohol in here or not with that ID denied us consent so that's fine I didn't so we're not going we're not going to argue with you have day get out here well this is actually a common area so we're allowed to be go work I pay you for something out of here yes I P you for something out of here cuz you got my ID for no reason brother okay out here have a nice day sir the conversation takes a confrontational turn as the student accuses the officers of racism and threatens to file complaints despite attempts to diffuse the situation The Exchange ends with heated words from the student expressing frustration over the ID check and demanding the officer's lead now if you think power trips by cops and consequent rebuttal by citizens and there you're wrong what is your name I'm not going to give that to you you're not going to give it to me no why would I give it to you I haven't done anything wrong well you're recording our property you're recording our building sure and it's a security issue for us am I being detained you are okay until I can get you identified your reasonable I want to make how did things get to this point well the man behind the camera had been filming around this area as police officers went in and out it is unknown why he was recording but one certain thing is that he knew his rights hello what's going on not much just walking around videotaping the police department is not a good idea why you guys are friendly people we are but why are we doing this why wouldn't we cuz it's a security issue for us is it it is I don't think so it is it's public property it is public property but when you start recording our perimeter and our gates and what our activities are it's a it's a concern to us I've only been here for about 15 minutes right we had officers that drove by and saw you pulling out of here walking out of here and said that you were recording them as they left I did yeah and that's an issue why are we doing that I don't have to have a reason you don't have a reason I don't have to have one okay do you have a driver's license I can see I don't what is your name I'm not going to give that to you you're not going to give it to me no why would I give it to you I haven't done anything wrong well you're recording our property you're recording our building sure and it's a security issue for us am I being detained you are okay until I can get you identified find what your reasonable I want make the officer must have been surprised by this turn of events as he realized that this was someone who wouldn't go down easy what what law do you suspect me of breaking are you looking to create a problem here for us or no not at all I'm being poite and cordial I'm being plant cordial too so I'm asking so we can identify you I don't need to and be on our way why would I need to identify myself cuz I'm asking you to identify yourself what's your name and badge number my name is Todd Hines my badge number is 200 okay your name and badge recording you just like you're recording us6 okay good so okay well I mean I'd like to be on my way to go [Music] I mean you have to have refusing to identify yourself well there's no need to you're looking to create problems is what you're doing is that what I'm doing by just filming and exercising My First Amendment right that is my opinion yes okay well the good thing is the law doesn't go off your opinion but it does when you're obstructing our requests you can't you you can request right but it's not a lawful order it is a lawful order at this point if you if and ass soon my sergeant gets up he's going to tell you the same thing okay this gentleman's got a First Amendment right he says to videotape our activities around the police department and is refusing to identify himself so that we know who we're dealing with okay you don't want to identify yourself who you well I don't need to he said he doesn't suspect me of a crime or anything and I'm just I'm just asking no but no sir I don't I'm just asking okay we're good let's go okay you can imagine the officer's shock when the sargant didn't drag the matter at all this goes to show that sometimes all you need is one rational cop we going to find out they tried the same you're doing right now okay we going to find out all right snowflake we going to find out why you out here melting like that we going to find out look get done with you you're going to be melt you're a funny guy you know that right this is Officer Jackson from Camden County Correctional Facility New Jersey the citizen is recording activities outside the premises and officer Jackson finds this act offensive the individual is well informed about the law watch how he articulates his arguments even though officer Jackson maintains his authority despite being mistaken you have to leave the property young man you cannot video record anything who said that I did you you're not allowed to my man who are you do you work for the news who are you you don't don't approach me like that you work for the news back up do you work for the news back up you have to leave the Jackson badge number 104 yes disrespectful harassment I am the public this is open to the public I will stand here all day and record you call D for me call whoever you want call D if you are not call the mayor media I am the media no you're not let me see some credentials credential credential yes First Amendment of the United States of America that's my credentials okay the law or the amendment he cites of the Constitution is the First Amendment which provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise it protects freedom of speech the Press assembly and the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances all right respect the you swore on oath right no I didn't you didn't no all right then I don't know why you working here there okay all right we going to find now all right take it easy take it easy this is how you act with the public you're not supposed to recording my man I can record whatever I want no you can't I'm tell yes I can I'm telling you it's a federal law all right find out okay find out we find I just came from the front of the building all right we going to find out they tried the same you're doing right now okay we going to find out all right snowflake we going to find out why you out here melting like that we going to find out you get done with you you're going to be melting you're a funny guy you know that right always always got to have more this is what I do cam the County police station they know who I am okay all right exactly all right he's off did you call dut oh he's off yeah he's off that mean he's off the clock power of recording photography baby you cannot stand out and record the jail I can record whatever I want whatever I can see is this open to the public you cannot record the jail yes it is open to the public I can record what I want okay we going to find out all right I call the yeah he called he's out here walking around recording front of cuz I'm recording doing my First Amendment right is a protected activity by the Constitution of the United States of America if he doesn't like it walk back inside leave do your job a safety risk though it's your safety risk has nothing to do with my constitutional right you understand what I'm saying it's like you have a constitutional right we have a constitution listen this is a one consent party did they call call you want nice call Sergeant um Sergeant May yeah call Sergeant May down here he know who I am yeah come on let's get it there funny guy come on snowflak thank you sir they come they come yeah that that that's how you supposed to do it all right all right tough car look at everybody give this video a thumbs up you going to be a big YouTube Star tough guy officer Jackson backs off as he's embarrassed and returns to the facility unfortunately the date and time of this incident remains unknown I'm sitting on the B lines or sitting on public Street what's that I'm sitting on a public Street minding my business that's all I'm doing yeah okay well we got a call for suspicious vehicle we're just checking on set vehicle are you the owner of the car sir I'm sorry I'm not going to ask any questions this is Officer Reeves from the Upper chitester Township Police Department on December 14th 2023 officer Reeves and Sergeant brain Gilmore responded to an alleged call that reported a suspicious vehicle that was parked along the public Street somewhere in Upper chitester Pennsylvania watch how the encounter follows between the driver of the vehicle and officer Reeves and Sergeant Gilmore [ __ ] for this Hey sir how you doing I'm good how are you I'm good I'm off Township Police Department reason we're here is we got to call for suspicious vehicle okay someone passer by or whomever called said it was there's a white vehicle sitting along the power lines I'm sitting on the power lines or sitting on a public Street what's that I'm sitting on a public Street minding my business that's all I'm doing yeah okay well we got a call for suspicious vehicle we're just checking on set vehicle are you the owner of the car sir I'm sorry I'm not going to ask any questions I invoke my Fifth Amendment right to remain silent can I get a badge number 51 supervisor's badge number too yes please it's uh 37 and his name Sergeant Brian Gilmore Brian Gilmore okay would you like to speak to him as well no thank you okay I just want to mind my businessman people drive by here see me parked here doing nothing wrong amend right not talk to us yes cuz I'm not doing anything illegal right Officer Gilmore persistently requests the driver to identify himself yet the driver declines citing protection under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution officer Gilmore asserts that the driver must provide identification as per the state vehicle code since he is operating a vehicle however given that the vehicle is currently idle and not act ly being operated this law may not be applicable in this situation let's observe how the encounter unfolds literally just parked in a public Street what's that sge sge requesting your ID I'm not going to provide that I didn't commit any crimes I'm parked legally in a public Street doing nothing wrong nothing okay all right what's that he says no to the ID he's parked on public Street doing nothing wrong that's right okay well just because somebody called in a suspicious car mhm doesn't mean you're doing anything illegal did they specifically identify something illegal that I was doing I TR I TR this point at this point the reason we're requesting identification sure is number one we identify everybody we talk to it's part of our routine it's accepted and it's it's something that's been it's been it's been approved by the Supreme Court the state and Supreme Court it's not been approved by any Supreme Court okay all right well unless youe all you want but just because you think so doesn't unless you have Reasonable Suspicion of a crime I don't have to provide any ID sir but you're you're on one of our streets in our town in order for you to leave you're going to have to be legally able to drive who pay who pays for these Street sir excuse me who pays for the street upper Trester Township the township right the people it's a taxpayer fund the street right and I that means I can park here I can travel through here also I can stop on the streets it's not illegal for me to do that did I commit an infraction say you're doing anything illegal at this point investigating a sup I'm not providing any idea if I didn't commit anything illegal if I didn't do anything illegal there's no law there but then you heard me there's an investigation that you have to conduct yes so far in your investigation what have you concluded that I've done that's somebody that's refusing to provide that's not illegal am I am I under arrest under the vehicle code under arrest huh you're not you may be and we'll have to find out are you threatening me with arrest am I threatening you no I am not threatening you well I am telling you that if I have to do my job I do my job that's an entirely different thing sir well conduct your job I'm not providing any ID because I didn't commit any crimes you don't need to commit a crime for us to ask you to yes you do yes you do yes you do you need Ras without Ras there's no probable cause I have somebody that called in that this vehicle's been sitting here so if someone calls in here a black guy is sitting here is that said anything about you being black well I'm saying if they do is that illegal do can you just come here and they say you were a pink flamingo either so but I'm not providing any idea where do we go from here I didn't do anything illegal are you threatening me with arrest I'm telling you that you need to provide identification you're part providing any you are required do your investigation go and talk to the person who called and find out what I did that was illegal talk to them do your investigation do a Thor investigation you just don't come here and talk to me talk to them what I did because they called to talk to them I didn't do anything wrong you're not going to force me toen but do an investigation to see if I did firstep my investigation is requiring you to provide I'm not providing any they did nothing wrong I'm sitting on a public Street you don't have the right to just pull up on me and say hey I need your ID because someone called it doesn't work like that came here because exactly what you did it is not sir you pulled up here because someone called and say hey I need your identification doesn't work like that I'm not providing it can I have your supervisor please I am the supervisor I want your supervisor lieuten supervisor is the chief we don't have a lieutenant I'm sorry you're welcome to go to the police station and talk to the chief I don't have to I'm not doing anything illegal I'm parking a public Street until the laws of America change where we have to identify because our officer comes and say hey give me identification well you need to work on on reading reading up on the court I know exactly what it says okay what does it say I know what it says I have a First Amendment right to record you have a Fourth Amendment right nobody said you can't let me let me finish I have a Fourth Amendment right to to to be safe in my effect my my my documents and papers unless I commit a crime I do not have to into F I'm not unreasonably searching or seizing anything at this point you're trying to yes you're trying to my ID I'm asking you to provide identification it's part of my job and I'm respectfully refusing I'm refusing it and in the state of Pennsylvania if you're in operating a motor vehicle which is what you're doing I'm not operating a motor absolutely are I'm parked on a public Street you in command and control of the vehicle I'm parked on a public Street if you were under the influence of alcohol or another drug I can arrest you for DUI but you're not I'm parked on a public Street okay good that's what I'm doing here you're parked on a public Street doing nothing illegal you're the subject of an investigatory detention okay can I can I get a can I get a case number please can I get a can I get a case number nope I need a case number I want this documented okay we doc you're welcome to go to the police station request a report we're not going to know who you are cuz you didn't provide us any IDE I don't have to can I get a case number nope you're not providing me the kisse number that's correct okay well then you're not getting any ID okay what's the next step um you'll probably get a citation for failure to provide driver's license oh yeah let's go ahead go ahead go ahead let's do that let's do that you're a tyrant that's what you are you threatening me for doing nothing wrong [ __ ] out of here kill him more Yep hey what do you want him I'm not talking to you this guy here you're not talking to me you're talking to me I'm speaking to him sir I'm allowed he's a he's funded by the taxpayer what do you need sir can I get an incident number please I don't have an incident number yet you're not getting can you call the dispatcher and give me a dis incident number I'd like to docent this our police station and grab the incident number so you're not providing incident number I don't have an incident number till I go back and do the report I can't just pull one out of thin air he doesn't have one either and that's super I just want to talk to him it's just fine 849 going to harass me for my dog for doing nothing wrong stay away from your dog I'm I'm not stay away from the dog I'm not approaching the dog you walk right close to the car is it illegal to be close to the car I don't want you to get hurt I don't want you to be surprised dog smashes up against the door is closed I'm not going to be surprised I'm sorry sh hey can I come under there hey do you do you mind give me in number please y that's all I wanted name is clap badge number is 44 thank you clap hey have a good one I just want incident number literally that's all we don't generating this in the number until it clears until it clears what like the C radio system y you're about to clear it I would assume you can get it tomorrow okay so no Police Department no not right now all right yep 842 all right I just walked next to the car again is that illegal car four it is not clear whether officer Gilmore or officer Reeves issued the dri a citation during the stop it is also not certain whether the driver plans to pursue any sort of action against officer Reeves and Sergeant Gil we're doing our job you guys should be doing your job and actually catching the guy who's burglaring us in this place okay you realize you're wasting your time with me this is Officer harop from the Boulder Police Department on the 13th of March 2020 these cops arrived on the streets of Boulder Colorado responding to the call of a resident who had reported a robbery on their property the cops detain an individual named Dean who is walking with his friend on suspicion that he might be the alleged robber based on a similar description he argues that the cops already know him in his residence pretty well watch how the encounter unfolds don't order me around who do you think you are what's your name and badge number name and badge number if you're going to tell me what to do I'm not talking to Okay bye bye ridiculous am I being detained sir so right now there's potentially you're a suspect so yes you're being stick your hand on your pocket please if this is if not it let you go here in a second okay oh okay so so Boulder Police said it's finest is going to be detaining somebody what's your name and badge number sir officer Brisco 11499 Brisco will be responsible this is Officer heartof hello officer know exactly who these guys are yeah description right yeah we're here to film you because of the call okay did y'all get here I know y'all heard it so get to work we don't answer questions well how quickly did y'all get here from the call coming out get to work we don't answer questions all right so you you match the description of the guy description had a hat on where's his hat he got to H up hat he has no hat sir we're not talking to you right now I'm just not talking to you talking to myself do not interrup you asking me to leave sir do you have an ID that I can see I don't have to identify myself you're talking to me direct as we've established so we got a call as you heard you know who I am you guys all know my name you know who I am you know where I live you know everything about me why do you need to see my ID so our our issue is that we had a homeowner call because they had a break in recently the description I understand we're listening to you on the radio yeah and they match we're doing our job you guys should be doing job and actually catching the guy who's burglaring us in this place okay you realize you're wasting your time with me this is just something we have to do to check that box to make sure that you aren't related as small as it could be it's something we got to check off officer hardcov you've seen me plenty of times you know exactly what we're doing here yep can you just remind me of your first name yeah my name is Dean you know who I am yep and if you guys don't know who I am you will know who I am very shortly this is ridiculous your doesn't match the it all the description was something totally different and he was laugh in the garage I've already asked to stop interjecting in our convers talking for my video not y heard the call come out how quickly did yall get here from when the call came out I'm not answering any other questions so it's just so if you were here within 30 seconds that would explain why they saw you on the ring camera but my concern is the fact that they called obviously because they saw a suspicious individual matching your description who also matched the description of someone that broke into their house on Friday great where is that person we'd love to see this and see what the person looks like they've got ring cam video why don't you go look at the ring cam video and see if I look like that person we're working on that that person's probably walking away right now you're probably right if it's not you then you're probably right however you match the description right now so we are fing to you and your partner over here is making it more difficult to do our job it's making he should make it difficult because you're wasting your time okay you believe that and and you know what I have to I have to go out against what I'm going with what I got okay yeah so like I said we're going to check that footage just to verify and make sure that if it is the chance it was a Mis communication and you don't match the description as provided then we will send you on your way once again I'm just going to ask how quickly did you get here I'm not answering your question the detained individual doesn't answer any of Officer har cop's questions as per his rights as mentioned earlier he is not liable to answer any questions asked by the cops the detained individual ual refuses to show his ID and remove his face coverings in protest he also rightfully demands the cards of these officers according to the policy set by law enforcement as we establish so Dean you and I both know who each other are we're familiar with each other we have to verify with the reporting party that the individual they saw in the ring is not you once we have verified that then we will go from there great but the basic description that we were given on the way here matches how you are addressed right now uh-huh that is why we are talking to you right now that's why we're having this conversation once we can get something more specific and narrow down the individual then we will go from there yeah I think something more specific than this someone who is completely covered almost head to toe you can't even hardly see anything but my eyeballs and the top of my nose that's a description of someone at 20° out probably the description of 85% of the people out here you can understand how that's concerning for someone who just had the house broken into to see someone as you described you can only see their eyes uhhuh so they were recently victimized and then they see you dressed like that walking near their house I don't see anybody else out here wearing mask so would your officers like to identify yourselves names and badge numbers please already told you I didn't hear it your buddy already identified me he's he's he's indicating that you did identify yourselves you can review the video if you want once everything wraps up we will get you business cards as you'd like like cuz I'm sure you're going to want those absolutely that'd be lovely to collect your cards oh just give us give us a few minutes I understand it's taking a little bit but techn technology can be difficult sometimes time's ticking away I got a little counter here I know how long it's taken I also understand detainment can't last forever you have to let me go or arrest me detainment can last however long it needs to for us to complete the investigation and as it stands we are still thoroughly investigating once that has been completed I will let you know were you all on foot in the area did you drive here is there any reason why this person would misinterpret you for the person that again not answering any of your questions can you take care so you have every right to refuse questions we're just going to sit here until we get everything taken care of okay Dean is your name right yes sir you're free to go wasn't you oh free to go now go could robbing a house right hey stop I'm not I'm not talking to you unbelievable I'm going to suggest highly that you do not show up to calls dressed like a suspect oh my God guys just want to tell you that I'm going to show up to every call that I hear while I'm out and I'm going to dress however the I want to dress mask and all if you do that that's great you guys can realize you're wasting State and taxpayers money you're wasting time you're letting criminals go bying around with us de you're free to leave as my partner said dressing man you are it's concerning for people which is why this is how I dress every time I see you guys it's not a surprise I'm just suggesting it so you don't get stopped in the how am I all right just make a mental note next time you see me and dress the same way this is how I dress every time I'm out here don't with me next time go do your jobs we aren't messing with you like I said you are youing know me dude come on we got to do an investigation yeah okay whatever check our boxes you could have left one person here to stand here and talk to us while the rest of you actually can look for the guy I'm I'm free to go great all the time what a joke we're out of here let's go all right have a good night absolutely have a good night what's your name and badge number I already told you n all of you I'll give you my card every one of you cards cards I'll give him my card cuz he was the one to pain There You Go sir she give me a card for running your mouth you came in contact I'm asking for a card hey man stop following us give me a card hey you're running your mouth it's your policy give me a card down okay it look like he came to a complete stop to you your choice say yeah you're hey you're the one running your mouth giving me directions and then you don't want to give a card this is your policy not mine see you later man Dean frowned over how the cops had wasted the time that could have been used to catch the actual suspect he was told that he was free to leave while the cops also exited the [Music] area so um go ahead repord that's completely fine the record what's your name and badge number sir my name is Officer Smith and badge number 263 thank you um so uh like I said uh my partner's car was parked on the street and as it was parked on the street um that makes sense as it was parked on the street one of the gentlemen got out and took a picture of the inside of her car so that's why I was curious in terms of what they were doing I didn't know if he was a VI gentleman why would you what why would would they not be allowed why would it matter you can't take a picture of that that's that's not legal sir that's legal sir that's legal you're the one committing crimes out here it's your responsibility to protect their information that is you you're you're in violation of a misdemeanor no one here is committing any crimes great yeah sucks don't it is's one thing to try to charge a citizen with fake charges and be humbled when you realize they know the law it is another thing to end up getting both schooled on the law and charged by it this cop must have been very ashamed as he should be if you enjoyed this video let me know in the comments section and don't forget to subscribe goodbye